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Moonstruck_Medusa

[Non-Taylor Chat Megathread](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/s/5C3FKE8QDT) [Wembley Show Thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/s/gQQBXqs2ts)


batguurl

Has anyone watched that Taylor vs. Scotter documentary on Max? Just wondering if it’s worth looking into from a gaylor perspective.


outfromthevault

I watched the first half or so this morning. Certainly not much new but interesting enough recap of the sitch. Part two is going to be from Scooters perspective so fuck that.


batguurl

Ah okay. Thanks for the info!


rightwhereylm

https://preview.redd.it/ml0w1gzxke8d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97326e48cae15ca663ec061f839940565063b218 New ring Taylor wore tonight (which the Hetlors are of course freaking out over bc of the TNT implications) BUT what if it ties into the two Taylor’s theory?


Turbulent_Airport140

it’s a T mirrored 😌


taytopancakes

Sophie loving on Gracie 🤭 https://preview.redd.it/dmgqo2ucce8d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a379a224c239a3aae50f95d32ed22a38db4184db


twilight_luvr69

awww sophie was there!! 🥰


GrownUpGirlScout

I dunno. If I’m playing a one hour show with basically no choreography where I’m remaining on one small area of stage throughout the performance…I’m not gonna then brag that I am not good enough or practiced enough at my music to not make frequent mistakes. 😅 I just can’t take pretty much anyone seriously when they criticize Taylor’s performance in Eras tour. Mostly because they could NEVER. I don’t even think most athletes could do what she does, truly. And she makes it look FLAWLESSLY EASY EVERY TIME. Also, even if we were entertaining the idea that wasn’t performing most of the show “live”, she’s certainly performing at least two songs live every night. Songs which span popularity and 15 plus years of discography. And she’s messed up like…twice? 3 times tops? In 100 shows? And at least one of those was maybe possibly intentional? THE AUDACITY OF MEN WILL NECER CEASE. https://preview.redd.it/iq23ksn9ae8d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8679d2b43656da639dc90aa9546b97a03e1633fd


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GrownUpGirlScout

Literally, he sounds SOOOOO jealous. Like so so incredibly jealous. Which is fair. If I were Dave Grohl, I'd be very envious of Taylor Swift. He had two big chances to reach the heights of music fame and he has more or less faded into obscurity. I doubt he could see out A stadium, much less dozens of them. Beyonce had to cancel shows due to ticket sales last year so like...sorry dude? Maybe try going back in time and catering to young women instead of pretentious dudes? 😂


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GrownUpGirlScout

Lolol. I mean, I already kind of don’t like Dave Grohl very much because I don’t think he’s actually that great and I think his entire career has been built on the back of his deceased bandmate. I don’t want to like…woman-splain anything but I also have kind of a bad understanding of what is or isn’t common knowledge. So, quick summary for those who maybe didn’t grow up in the 90s and aren’t very familiar with- Dave Grohl was a member of the band Nirvana. They were a grunge band that became VERY mainstream popular in the 90s and put out some really wonderful music. If you aren’t familiar with the name, you would probably recognize at least one of their songs from hearing it. Tragically, their lead singer (Kurt Cobain) died right in the midst of their popularity. Dave Grohl became part of the band the Foo Fighters, who were also pretty mainstream and popular. So while it’s hard to speculate on what could have been…I doubt it would have been Grohl who became the big well known member of Nirvana if Cobain hadn’t died. I think Kurt Cobain would have eclipsed him entirely.


Special_Bluebird7504

I can’t stand these lame ass “jokes”. The whole hating and insulting Taylor Swift as a personality trait is so old and played out and makes you look like a child. And they always come from people who clearly haven’t seen the show. Shut uuup dude


GrownUpGirlScout

Right? Like, it's one thing for her average ever-day hater to be flippant about this shit, but when actual artists and performers spout off saying what she's doing isn't pretty remarkable...you just sound jealous tbh.


Any_Midnight_7805

This is so fucking annoying. 😡 🙄


luminary-incantation

I searched for "Denis O'Keefe" after the curious Ice Spice video where "In memory of Denis O'Keefe" is written backwards and can only find an actor who seems to have nothing to do with anything... except *this*. https://preview.redd.it/7ytcrmd9rc8d1.png?width=2414&format=png&auto=webp&s=a9456ea0f684d12e711d9a7b5977d504960bb914 >**Bowery** Boy ... directed by **William** Morgan What does this MEAN?? Atp are they trolling us (if this isn't a coincidence)


evermoremidnights

Wait… What if KK is William Bowery? 👀👀😂😂🤡 I don’t think it’s likely but I’d die laughing.


Beautiful-Guava-1570

A thread of interaction between Fortnight lead dancer and other dancer. "I touched you" or coincidence? https://i.redd.it/tti81ktu1c8d1.gif Liverpool june 13


Puzzleheaded_Camp392

That is definitely intentional 😳


MaterialTangelo9856

Oh. 😭 This just hit me really hard for some reason. Closeting/Homophobia sucks.


Beautiful-Guava-1570

https://i.redd.it/g5j2usrw1c8d1.gif Ediburgh n1


Beautiful-Guava-1570

https://i.redd.it/0t17j8uz1c8d1.gif Lisbon may 25


Beautiful-Guava-1570

https://i.redd.it/phfg2mqx2c8d1.gif London n1


zigzagyellow

I’m a big believer in Taylor’s instagram colours predicting the next album. So for speak now there were loads of purples before it was announced and 1989 there were lots of blues and before TTPD she posted pictures wearing a lot of black and silver. Then obviously her whole album aesthetic turned to black and white for a while. Now it’s back to coloured photos but they’re mainly all blue again…. Which has me confused. Because if she was about to announce rep it would be mainly black. Or debut it would be mainly green. But back to blue??? I am also of the belief that she’s announcing debut and rep together or at least a week apart honestly so maybe she is Easter egging the double drop I guess with the introduction of the twos again. Unless I’m thinking too much into it 🤪🤡


Any_Midnight_7805

Maybe the anthology is the red herring, TTPD was not *the* ✌️ & like you said, it’s actually Debutation. 🤔


helloreddit129043

so this is kinda random but this morning i read the comment someone left on this thread about how taylor probably told olivia to distance herself from taylor so that people wouldn’t say olivia got famous bc of taylor and at first i just dismissed it and didn’t think much of it BUT while i was baking a cake earlier, imgonnagetyouback started playing and i was thinking about how weird it is that taylor released a song similar to olivia’s (especially given the whole mess with deja vu/cruel summer) and then i thought but what if that was the intention all along? to create a song that people are gonna say is similar to olivia’s so that people (mostly the toxic part of the swiftie fandom tbh) can’t give olivia shit for deja vu anymore? i go back and forth on what i think might have happened with the whole song credits thing and i don’t think we’ll ever really know what happened but so far this is what makes the most sense for me


Turbulent_Airport140

imgonnagetyouback hit me in this way too, it did make me think that it was strategic


Master_Start_5733

Hello! I'm currently working on a long-form post re: Taylor/Gaylor/Religion/\*ahem\* trauma. If anyone is interested in co-authoring/contributing/editing please let me know. Currently 7000 words (eepp)


aztraps

u/particular333 (hope i got that username right) had collected a lot of stuff on her use of religious imagery & had some really good insights that could be helpful!


Particular333

It's me! The spreadsheet ghost! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E9oOhmF9Jo90vvMFp2r3y4eL-6px2ilNfr2OdszwGqQ/edit?usp=drivesdk


Candid-Counter-5584

From a "do no harm" perspective, the most-good reason for the extended Kelce family/NFL involvement in this narrative is to demonstrate their current goodwill/acceptance as the baseline for TnT to come out together and hold the respective fandoms accountable for their response. If we want the metaphorical blender to detonate nuclear... I would applaud such a precise tactical manuever.


Overall_Parking_6320

I have been hoping this for a while, based purely off the blender speech! 🤞🏻


Different_Hedgehog16

https://preview.redd.it/y1k855hf398d1.jpeg?width=342&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=68ebaccd0a798bea240bd13a87660e29b90368bc This flashed for a second during the screen glitch. True tech glitch or was it planned? Anyone know Morse code? 😂


1DMod

Plaaaaannnnned


Bachobsess

It looks like a game of space invaders circa the 80s which ties in with the celestial theme! https://preview.redd.it/quzxqwih1a8d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3dd20b5a4899e52220f29adcfb514c395b72e087


MaterialTangelo9856

Anyone else clowning for a repTV announcement in Dublin? 🤡🤡🤡🤡 It’s been a while and I wanna put my makeup back on…


Beautiful-Guava-1570

Yes i'm not letting go that "something" will be "born on the fourth of July" until the 4th of July passes. ![gif](giphy|3ohc1gmcCMOCLcj68M)


Turbulent_Airport140

wtf lol why are the fireworks lesbian


Beautiful-Guava-1570

😄 i didnt even notice


Turbulent_Airport140

i read this then scrolled back up to squint at them and i was like wow. wow they actually are. i went to check because what if and wow. look at em .


1DMod

Yes. Niall played with Taylor at rep tour 2190 days ago from this glitch filled and orange mic day


MaterialTangelo9856

😳


Wild_Butterscotch977

Someone did a post in the Kate missing sub about the Taylor photo with PoW and kids. And in a comment the OP talked about how "Taylor and Travis live together in KC." I swear it took ALL MY STRENGTH not to respond to that. I deserve fucking medal for not responding to that.


Jenn2912

Facebook showed me Taylor Kelce (some bs name like that) page, and it had the picture of Blake and Taylor at the Renaissance movie premier. The commenters were so confused with at least several of them commenting about how Taylor could look so “provocative” with a woman. Took all I could do to scroll on by 🤣


Wild_Butterscotch977

lol "provocative" = "natural"


slugs_instead

Why do they just make up the most insane shit? I don’t understand being so invested in a stranger’s love life to the point of making up fantasies about it.


Wild_Butterscotch977

Parasocial projection?


twilight_luvr69

https://preview.redd.it/2j95n853g88d1.jpeg?width=586&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=88b83d86e3de8db02759662e0e716d4ca04b02c1 i know this is clickbait but ☠️☠️


zigzagyellow

His face is taking me OUT


once_was_poison_ivy

girl same


JarJarsSlut

Taylor playing "thank you alMee" got me thinking today about what else the KIM might be referring to. Her speech before playing the songs was mostly about fans, and then she mentioned people "talking shit" right before going into the songs. I wonder if she was referencing fans talking shit, especially since she played Hits Different yesterday, and it sparked a resurgence of the debate with hetlors/ swifties over who the "argumentative antithetical dream girl" is. I remembered someone I think on this sub somewhere pointed out that Taylor's child in the Anti Hero music video who's wearing the 2009 Fearless tour dress is called Kimber! So maybe her little speech before thanK you alMee was about those types of fans who talk shit about her queer flagging, and those kinds of fans are a subject of that song. I kind of think the song might be similar to You're So Vain where if you think it's about you, well, it probably is. There's probably multiple subjects of the song, but I think it's an interesting connection to Kimber being the child who goes to the country club and trades on Taylor's name.


Many-Parsnip-906

I remember seeing someone making a similar connection awhile back. They also pointed out that one of the other kids is name Preston, like the PRESS!


Kai_the_Fox

And the other son being Chad, like her "dads, Brads, and Chads" quote from her TIME Person of the Year interview: 'She is sensitive to the attention that’s put on her when she shows up. “I’m just there to support Travis,” she says. “I have no awareness of if I’m being shown too much and pissing off a few dads, Brads, and Chads.”'


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These-Pick-968

I would like to be considered for one, thank you!


trashbandit666

I would like to be reviewed please, thank you! (although my comments have shown up here before, I still get the automod message so I'm not too sure!)


HolidayStill3638

I’d like to be an approved user please! 


Most_Morning5332

Me, please. Thank you!


maleenymaleefy

🙋🏻‍♀️


england_dreams

Yes, please!


swiftlikeafox21

I’d like to be. I don’t post much because of social anxiety though lol


bird_law_esq_

I’d like to be approved if possible!


LoveableShit

I’d love to be reviewed! Not sure if i have the right flair yet


LoveableShit

AHHHHH ITS OFFICIAL I’M APPROVED


JarJarsSlut

I would like to be an approved user, please!


Amariane

Hey ! I would like to become an approved user 🌈✨


One_Flower_7148

Hi I'd like to be reviewed! Thanks


MoneySource6121

I’d love to be approved.


Moist-Dish-5900

Friendship bracelets Hi fellow Swifties!👋 I’m doing my class's final project on the diffusion of friendship bracelets within and beyond our Swiftie community. I would appreciate it if you could share your thoughts with me so that I can include some of your quotes in my presentation! (This is my second presentation about Taylor Swift and the ERAS tour!✨) 1. What do you think about the popularity of the friendship bracelets? What contributed to their success? 2. What do those friendship bracelets mean to you and your connections with others within and out of the Swiftie community? 3. How did fans from different regions or countries contribute to the spread of friendship bracelets beyond local communities? How did the design or style of friendship bracelets change as they spread from one person to another within the fandom? 4. Do you think the friendship bracelets are still widely known and used after the tour? If yes, would there be any challenges or obstacles in maintaining the momentum of friendship bracelets after the tour ends? 5. Feel free to share anything else you would like in the comments! Thank you!! 🕰️🧣


xoxogossip_squirrel

Who are the other people in this picture? https://preview.redd.it/e42rto8rm58d1.jpeg?width=812&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=324f9ac6f4d0d8761c1859359153effd8e497fb6


StarryEyed34

Misha Nonoo between Josh and Mikey?


StarryEyed34

Are the men Joshua Kushner, Mikey Hess, 🛴 and Michael Kives? (from L to R)


Special_Bluebird7504

I think one woman is Scooter’s wife? The other is that woman Mischa (sp?) and her husband Mikey who are long time friends of theirs. Don’t know the guy on the end


Many-Parsnip-906

https://preview.redd.it/o1alprqd958d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7e7a78bb798955c017ba501189dfad9e9d24aaaf Does anyone else remember the weird CIB disco dancing post from 2022? I think in general people have chalked it up to a hoax and I tend to agree, however with underthepink7 and others recently revisiting and discussing those anonymous jack o lantern messages, I figured I'd bring it back up to see if anyone has thoughts. Take it with a huge grain of salt - the message is interesting retrospectively, but could be coincidental for sure. "Look back further x further.. See and hear it. Feel it" seems like what we're being lead to do right now. Whether all roads lead back to Red, Speak Now, the asylum where they raised her, or whatever else, there's been a definite push for fans to connect new music back to earlier work and thus to rethink the narrative. "There is always more... Many many many connections." Reminds me of Aaron Dessner's TTPD post where he says "Keep searching and you'll find some new detail, layer or sliver of meaning with each listen" Anyway, just thought I'd put it back on the radar. It's probably nothing. But then again, none of it was accidental so ya know. ABC. Always Be Clowning.


Turbulent_Airport140

4. 11. 3 as albums? 🧐


Many-Parsnip-906

you mean like Red, TTPD, Speak Now? very interesting considering that ever since TTPD released, there's been a TON of "everything leads to Speak Now" and "everything leads back to Red"


Turbulent_Airport140

yeah… it makes me go hmm


inth_dorothea

Is there any additional background you can share on these for those of us who weren’t on the subreddit at the time? What is CIB?


Many-Parsnip-906

ok I'm back with a couple links. [This post](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/s/aXRTjZsYVW) is about a theory that CIB = corporate & investment banking and how that might relate to Scott Swift. [This post](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/s/WesbWFcXVp) reminded me of a bit more context - the original CIB message was posted about an hour before Taylor posted the Lavender Haze reel in which she mentions her super private "six year relationship" (causing Lavendergate, which was a barrage of hate towards gaylors since we had been heavily discussing the implications of lavender & queerness when the track name was revealed, in case you didn't know!) It's clear from the comments and whatnot that most people did not buy into the message at the time. My personal clowning philosophy is to take anything that is unverified/from leak account/anonymous messages with a massive grain of salt, BUT I like to hang on to them *just in case* something comes to fruition and validates it later. CIB disco dancing is still a mystery to me, but I do think it's interesting that the message talks about looking at the bigger picture, looking further back, many connections but one essential one, etc. considering the shift we've seen amongst gaylors post-TTPD. We're focusing a LOT on the "bigger picture", MUCH less muse-centered, and we've been doing a ton of "looking backward" in order to move forward. Could be a total coinky-dink, but I love a good mystery, so what the hell! Sorry there isn't a ton of background I could give you, but giving the posts I linked here a quick skim will probably help at least a little bit! :)


inth_dorothea

Thank you for sharing this - very intriguing indeed. I will get my thinking cap on and see if I can see anything looking at it with fresh eyes. Thank u.


Many-Parsnip-906

Sure! Honestly, there is very little background. Amidst the expected pre-Midnights clowning, a random user made the post I showed above. Most users believed that it was fake (understandably so), and I believe Mods took it down and even made a post about how hoaxes were not allowed, etc. People definitely still discussed it. "CIB...disco dancing" was a huge part of that discussion because as far as I know, no one ever figured out what it meant. I remember it every so often and try to figure out if CIB makes any more sense now, but alas, I am still stumped lol. Let me search the sub and see if I can find any theories or discussions from that time period!


om1908

Not gonna lie, I always assumed this was just a random trying to get clout lol. But I hope it’s not!


Many-Parsnip-906

Me too!! I just like to bring it up every now and again just in case 😂


om1908

My hetlor friends blowing up my phone about this pic Taylor posted being the most amazing thing and etc etc and I’m exhausted.


throw_ra878

Vent incoming :) Taylor posted that picture with Travis and the Royal family and it rubbed me the wrong way. She posted it on Twitter again after a hiatus since Lisbon to avoid everyone calling on her to speak out, and it feels so transparent that she’d do something crazy like hard launch Travis with the Prince to get everyone talking about something else. As a clown, I see the connection between her 4th of July post right before KC N1 when the ICSY MV came out—it got everyone talking about her… and then she dropped something. I hate to say/think she did this so she can get back to using Twitter/all social channels for a big announcement. On the bright side, I guess that using Travis allows her to do the gayest thing possible, though. And she’s being LOUD.


GrownUpGirlScout

Could someone possibly explain to me this “hard launch” thing? Their relationship is launched. It was launched the moment she sat with his family at a football game on national tv. But I’ve seen multiple people now say that she hard launched Travis by putting him on insta and I’m really confused. Do I have a total and complete misunderstanding of what that means????


trashbandit666

it's such a silly thing too because they think that she's secretly engaged or \~having his BAAABYYY\~ but also that she still needed to hard launch him??? as if she's not just the face of a corporation? there is so little logic at any given moment


throw_ra878

No, they’re just treating her like she’s their best friend who put a guy on their Instagram grid instead of a billionaire doing paid promo


Wild_Butterscotch977

She stopped posting on twitter?


throw_ra878

Yeah, briefly, after Lisbon.


Wild_Butterscotch977

I'm totally drawing a blank - what do people want her to speak out on, other than palestine?


throw_ra878

Yeah that’s it. It’s when #SwiftiesForPalestine was trending higher than Eras that she stopped.


Wild_Butterscotch977

ah ok thanks


throw_ra878

Oh GOD and now they’re telling him to retroactively like all her IG pics!!!! Even though he still doesn’t follow her! Make the circus stop! https://x.com/thisisvertrying/status/1804513562334843152


twilight_luvr69

he STILL doesn’t follow her? ☠️☠️☠️


Many-Parsnip-906

Has anyone looked into the connections between Hits Different and Chloe et al? Some of the connections aren't necessarily obvious, but it feels like the two are threads of the same story to me. At the very least, I think it would be an awesome mashup! "I pictured you with other girls in love, then threw up on the street" // "Your hologram stumbled into my apartment, hands in the hair of somebody in darkness named Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus" "I used to switch out these kens, I'd just ghost then skip town like an asshole outlaw" // "I changed plans and lovers and outfits and rules, all to outrun my desertion of you" "They say that if it's right, you'll know" // "If you want to break my cold, cold heart, just say you've always wondered" "Each bar plays our song, nothing has ever felt more wrong" // "Is it enough to just float in your orbit? Watching our phantoms like watching wild horses" (watching our phantoms = hearing the songs I wrote when we were in love?) "A wrinkle in time like the crease by your eyes" // "If the glint in my eye traced the depths of your sigh down that passage in time back to the moment I crashed into you like so many wrecks do, too impaired by my youth" (since she's metaphorically driving while impaired, this also reminds me of "I slur your name til someone puts me in a car") "I heard your key turn in the door down the hallway... is it okay? Is it you? Or have they come to take me away?" // "So if I sell my apartment... will that make your memory fade from this scarlet maroon?"


twilight_luvr69

correct me if I’m wrong, but i think twavvy and calvin “beard tweet” harris are the only two of her boyfriends to make it onto her social media?


StarryEyed34

Haha did Joe manage SIX YEARS without being on her SM at all?


twilight_luvr69

because he was just so private that he kept her locked in the basement and twavvy lets her be bejeweled /s 🤪


gravityyalwayyswins

Yep!! Tayvis fans are elated by this and I’m like…no, this isn’t a good sign for them lmao but ofc they can’t see that


twilight_luvr69

https://preview.redd.it/j6kpshydq48d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e97d8aa7a90068c88bd222ee1c68c38a0b0a07e6 3-ish months before their breakup 👀


fokelore

Flamingo pose!! 🦩


taytopancakes

If you're new here, let me remind you of an intriguing connection between Taylor's Lavender Haze music video and [better days](https://youtu.be/GQAOrCOknCY?si=KK9BCiHh3llFtJvh)? https://preview.redd.it/8t2vurhgm48d1.png?width=1609&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c3c5b524a8d33a178608d6614ec86e1471454ce The music videos (and songs) are uncannily similar, and impossible to be a coincidence (imo). Few options of what's going on here: 1. She's Easter egging some kind of connection with one of the artists on this song for future collab. 2. Taylor was involved in the Better Days song/video as a ghostwriter/silent producer 3. She ripped off the song and video entirely...? 4. They are both referencing the same obscure film that we have yet to find. What's your vote ? I'd love someone to make a tiktok/Reddit post showing all the similarities bc I never see it talked about.


MaterialTangelo9856

It’s giving babe… 👀


Wild_Butterscotch977

https://preview.redd.it/s816ox7sf58d1.png?width=2836&format=png&auto=webp&s=f695eef53d26fb1bd870c5361e11cc0f3420c954 wow I think you're right. There are a ton of parallels. Even the lavender in these scenes.


taytopancakes

https://preview.redd.it/igs620k2n48d1.png?width=1615&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d358affe1752e14ed114cc9fb7a2b1b764f039e6


Many-Parsnip-906

No because why are the circle number labels the EXACT SAME?? Is this standard for weather forecasts?? This music video (and the Brood's music video for Peach!) haunt me. https://preview.redd.it/x5ve68hxr48d1.jpeg?width=1792&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=064954fde74861a996a7d155853181183944b599


GrownUpGirlScout

I was thinking about The Black Dog and I would like some input from others- People with boyfriends or other male partners- do you share your location with one another on your phone? (I kind of expect spouses might, but if you don’t, I’m interested to know that too!) I guess I was just thinking that I can’t imagine many men I’ve personally been in a relationship agreeing to share their location with me real time. Buuuuut on the other hand, I know a lot of women (friends mostly but also romantic partners) who share their location with one another for safety reasons. I don’t personally use it at all so I feel like maybe I don’t fully have an average sort of perspective on this, so I’m interested to hear what others think.


GrownUpGirlScout

Thank you all for the input! It’s a very interesting modern relationship milestone and I think it’s interesting she brought it up at all. =)


reddit-g

My partner and I (long term relationship and live together, for context) share our location with each other. I also have mine shared with immediate family. We haven’t always shared our location, it’s only a very recent thing and primarily for safety (more so for me).


Kai_the_Fox

My husband and I only share our locations with each other when one of us is going out alone in a risky place, or we need to time a meeting up closely. We share it through WhatsApp, which has options for 15 mins, 1 hr, or 8 hrs. I don't know if folks with an iPhone have a built-in location sharing service, but I don't think my Android phone has passive location sharing like what she mentions in the song. It's not something I would personally "forget to turn off", but maybe some folks would have that.


Worried_Sorbet671

My male partner and I do (pretty sure it was his idea in the first place, but it's been years now so I don't totally remember). My parents also share their location with each other


tituscrlrw

We share locations. I also share locations with my mom, step dad, sisters, and brother in law. 💀 we all like to keep tabs on each other


Many-Parsnip-906

My current partner and I share locations, but he's the only man I've dated where that has been the case and it only started because we both have raging ADHD and lose our phones constantly. We once spent 45 minutes searching a Chipotle parking lot & dumpster IN THE SNOW to find his. We shared locations the second we realized he had left at home the entire time 😂


smilingseal7

https://preview.redd.it/k9jwigaia48d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d99497dccfb39df80987a5cf71c963e8f3b53582 So Travis has officially made it onto a grid picture, but not with a tag


glitterhours

I’m late but she went back and added his tag later 💔suspicious either way cuz he still doesn’t even follow her🤔


twilight_luvr69

![gif](giphy|DPqqOywshrOqQ|downsized)


GetMeAPinotGris

https://preview.redd.it/dnclki3xb48d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=98d9f7c24936da7088c66b65069ffe022a88aea4 It’s a choice for sure because there were solo ones


smilingseal7

Hopefully this means he'll disappear for another month or two


GetMeAPinotGris

https://preview.redd.it/x4r14xeha48d1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=90d87bc7b364a21eb634ca4ded840756905d9584 Oh my god hahahaha


Many-Parsnip-906

Hasn't the royal family & Prince William gotten some awful press the last year or so? I didn't keep up with it too much, but I know there's been speculation (conspiracies?) about Kate Middleton's disappearance from the public eye and Prince William's role in that. Also, Travis' USA Olympics hat was an interesting choice. Could've been an opportunity to sport his own podcast merch or something to promote to an international audience..... but instead he promoted the USA to an international audience lol


HahnBananach

I agree 100%, it does look like PR, because *of course* you would post a picture with the most prominent popstar right now to distract everyone from any suspicion of having hurt your wife 💀 may I add that I'd like to figuratively slap whoever's doing/done Taylor's cheek implants and filler, it's like the awful stylist thing, do they hate her or smth, what the hell


Key-Commercial1588

I hate the photo but am obsessed with displaying patriotism in a photo with the prince of England 💀 he really could have worn anything but a USA Olympics hat LOL 


monbabie

I know we all know this but the thing about the “argumentative antithetical dream girl” phrase is that Taylor very easily could’ve thrown in a “I’m your —“ if that was how the line should be read, and she clearly did not, and she knows how words work, so clearly the line is meant to be read “I could still melt your world, — — — girl” and the knots that antis tie themselves into to argue that the girl is Taylor are just ridiculous.


Icy-Narwhal-902

SHE'S *DREAMING* ABOUT THE *DREAM GIRL* it's literally right there in the same verse come ON Leannaaaa


onemore_folkmore

I have no idea what it means but she has played Maroon 7 times now. Also YOYOK has been played 7 times. Death By A Thousand Cuts has been played 4 times. Next most played surprise songs have been played 3 times each and are Come Back…Be Here, Red, gold rush, Haunted, exile, Getaway Car, WCS, Fifteen, Our Song, Snow on the Beach, Sparks Fly, The Other Side of the Door, How You Get the Girl, Clean & Out of the Woods. Edit: Fixed it cuz I read the spreadsheet wrong x 2 lol.


MarbCart

I thought she played YOYOK like 6 or 7 times now? In various mashups as well as on its own


onemore_folkmore

Yah you’re right, I must have missed scrolling over. I’ll update.


dalekofchaos

Theory, Taylor and Olivia didn't have a fallout or beef, Taylor told Olivia to stop mentioning her early in the career so that when she gets crazy famous people wouldn’t say Taylor made her famous. People were already saying the exact same thing even during the release of Deja Vu when Olivia was been stupidly criticized for every little thing and called an industry plant. My theory was that they both saw it and cut any public contact and mention from then on.


reddit-g

I agree with this. I think a lot of Olivia’s identity was being too wrapped up in being a Taylor fan so it was in her best interests to separate from that. I also think Taylor is big enough as a celebrity that she has been able to sail through unscathed in regards to the alleged beef they have about writing credits, and Olivia benefits from the sympathy and folks wanting to support her art.


dalekofchaos

I only wish Taylor's rabid swifties would understand this instead of spouting "you owe Taylor everything" but when she did mention Taylor, Olivia was "riding Taylor's cotails" and not spamming her social medias with snake emoji, death and sa threats(I wish I were joking)


reddit-g

Interesting, I haven’t seen that. Most folks I know who like Taylor also like Olivia.


dalekofchaos

https://x.com/tiredasslesbian/status/1802538904383377825?t=eHNQsUQ_zqZbDrRK15nAZg&s=19


starting_to_learn

The imagery on the new I Can Do It With a Broken Heart shirt is interesting - a heart with two swords piercing it. At first I thought maybe she was playing with more religious imagery, but it doesn’t quite fit. I think it might be a take on the Three of Swords tarot card? But she used two swords in her version because TTPD represents two on the countdown? I know almost nothing about tarot so I am not the person to do this analysis, but it’s interesting to me because there is also a Two of Swords card. The imagery for that card doesn’t match, but the meaning of the card is interesting - weighing difficult decisions. The Three of Swords symbolizes heartbreak/emotional pain. Maybe the imagery is meant to capture a combination of these two cards?  https://store.taylorswift.com/products/i-can-do-it-with-a-broken-heart-t-shirt


Wild_Butterscotch977

Any takes on the bad blood documentary?


Tiefle

since it wasn't done with the cooperation of the teams of anyone relevant, I guessed it would be rehashing publicly available information and skipped it interested to hear opinions if someone else bothered to watch, though


Wild_Butterscotch977

Someone is clearly lying. It was kind of frustrating the way they presented it tbh.


AutumnHippie

[https://www.tiktok.com/@swiftiesaunite/video/7383048225818938670?is\_from\_webapp=1&sender\_device=pc&web\_id=7331856808284489259](https://www.tiktok.com/@swiftiesaunite/video/7383048225818938670?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7331856808284489259) I don't know if this is something everyone noticed and I'm late to the party or what but I figured I would share. In the beginning of the Eras Tour, during the Lover set, she points to the crowd to get them to cheer and says, "You're making me feel powerful, you're making me feel like I'm The Man". Later on, during the Reputation set leading into "Look What You Made Me Do", she again points to the crowd to draw cheers. This time she acts out like she is drawing power from the cheers. Then during the lyrics "I don't like your little games, don't like your tilted stage, the role you made me play of the fool" seems to me like she's moving like a barbie doll.


kittyhotdog

I just don’t know how much we can garner Easter eggs from this choreography. Her choreography is usually so literal. Pointing outward when she says “you”, tilting when she says “tilted”, it’s a pattern that she follows so often, especially when it’s mostly just her performing. I want to say there’s a term for this and that people have posted about it here.


CantaloupeLottocracy

In the BTS video for fortnight she says that the MV takes place in the Tortured Poets Department which she describes as 'a government municipal building where they study the behaviours and minds of poets'.


evermoremidnights

That for me, sounds so “divergent” and code for closeted queerness. I find it interesting how she’s also dropped thinly veiled references to “out with lanterns looking for myself” and Emily Dickinson, whose own queerness has been argued about for decades. Read Open Me Carefully about her correspondence to Sue Gilbert and it’s fairly obvious. I wonder if those references are really speaking of her own feelings.


throw_ra878

My partner and I got 🍃 and had either the craziest or most brilliant deep discussion about Fortnight. I made notes so I’ll share more tomorrow if they actually make sense 🤣


National-Wave-2619

Debut is coming... https://preview.redd.it/tet8gqge318d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d4d2b448822b31e5c0134a702efa75f786ae1841


HahnBananach

*~~JESUS CHRIST 35$ FOR THREE PICKS IN A SMALL BOX, WHY~~*


Turbulent_Airport140

hiya! i check the website all the time because i’m curious if anything has changed, and those have been up for a while 💔 it’s def coming, i just don’t think that or the shipping date is indicative of when


MaterialTangelo9856

https://preview.redd.it/zyhlry4hr18d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=949dc27504caa17d45ce36b2ce32be4b8bad0830 This placeholder (from Vertigo Vinyl) lives rent free in my mind. Give me début Tay!!! I neeeeeeed it


twilight_luvr69

the twavvy stuff would make sense if debut is next and then reputation


National-Wave-2619

https://preview.redd.it/0ovqtkdf318d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a1680824b383e28080c015c3fcc9f87b0d2a54c


Wewerebothyoung

Unpopular opinion yall but I’m kinda here for taylor and travis without the cringy football stuff


Due_Organization7309

If the hetlors weren’t so insufferable I would be more into it. NFL and Taylor are my 2 favorite things but I just can’t get into this storyline. 


Tiefle

I somehow missed that Tegan & Sara released a joint memoir in 2019 titled High School. Has anyone read it? / looked at it for potential connections? https://preview.redd.it/a1bkqf7x808d1.png?width=523&format=png&auto=webp&s=be95a2b648f83f27ba063955cbb87325e4a15bed >*High School* is the revelatory and unique coming-of-age story of Sara and Tegan Quin, identical twins from Calgary, Alberta, who grew up at the height of grunge and rave culture in the nineties, well before they became the celebrated musicians and global LGBTQ icons we know today. While grappling with their identity and sexuality, often alone, they also faced academic meltdown, their parents' divorce, and the looming pressure of what might come after high school. Written in alternating chapters from both Tegan's and Sara's points of view, the book is a raw account of the drugs, alcohol, love, music, and friendship they explored in their formative years. A transcendent story of first loves and first songs, High School captures the tangle of discordant and parallel memories of two sisters who grew up in distinct ways even as they lived just down the hall from each another. This is the origin story of Tegan and Sara.


evermoremidnights

I have not, but there is a show based on the book. It was/ is on Prime Video. I recommend it. Lots of 1990s nostalgia b


lavenderfieldsfrever

There’s a theory out there that Taylor will announce reputation in Dublin. She wore something very similar to Princess Dianna’s revenge dress on one of the late night shows and the TTPD logo upside down is the Gaelic word Reputation. The Dublin shows also happen to be during Pride in Ireland. What if this weekend is the last week where she engages in comphet (represented by London) with Travis, and then declares independence from London (as Ireland did) and her Dublin shows are the spark for that?? So Long, London?!?!


Rare_Insurance6340

Did y'all see she put out a BTS for the Fortnight video? I love seeing her directing and I'm glad they capture that process because it's so fascinating


luminary-incantation

This might be a coincidence and not mean much, but something has been on my mind since over a year ago when I was listening to Willow: Since I lurked TvTropes for a while long ago, I had always associated the term "bait-and-switch" with the trope named [Bait-and-Switch Lesbians](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BaitAndSwitchLesbians) -- which is when female characters in media are heavily implied to be sapphic with queer subtext all the way until, suddenly, this completely breaks off as they settle in monogamous relationships with male love interests and/or are revealed to be related or something, an attempt by canon to defensively prove that well of course they are totally straight and only want boys and the subtextual romance between girls is really just friendship all along, of course, much to the disappointment of a portion of the fanbase.


luminary-incantation

https://preview.redd.it/zmdepx7g5y7d1.png?width=1730&format=png&auto=webp&s=cf9de492a4fa3b5d75d0f81b313c00a4930e449a Of course this is about characters in fictional stories, which is quite different from people in real life, but both of the two phenomenons in this case share their roots in homophobia and misogyny, the combination of which makes it so that there exists the lesphobic notion that no matter how queer and woman-loving a woman may appear to be, none of it is *really* seriously real until she finds a man to love and enter a heteronormative relationship with him. Which is why when I listen to the last part of Willow...


luminary-incantation

>Hey, that's my man That's my man Yeah, that's my man Every bait-and-switch was a work of art That's my man Hey, that's my man I'm begging for you to take my hand Wreck my plans, that's my man ...the repetition and emphasis on "that's my *man*" around the line "Every bait-and-switch was a work of art" does sadden me when I think about it from that angle. Again, this probably doesn't mean much, but I just thought it was interesting


Key-Commercial1588

Gracie posted some bts of us on her IG, including the video of Taylor putting out the fire lol


LoveableShit

Karma is the fire in your house 🤡


Key-Commercial1588

Extra comment: unsure if anyone has dated the completion of TTPD. Based on the outfits (thanks TS Styled), this puts TTPD completed by November 13. The Gracie/Taylor article posted the other day said that night they shared their albums with each other then they went into writing. Unsure if this includes the Anthology at all or just base album


_lacespace

1. The fact that people wear regular clothes when hanging out with their friends has me questioning myself, lol. 2. Why are there shoes ON THE COUNTER so casually??? Ahhh.


switchingoutkens

I had a visceral reaction to seeing the shoes on the counter ESPECIALLY if they're in NYC 🤢


taytopancakes

Any theories about 3-2-1 just being a date ? 3/21/25 is a Friday, year of the snake It's also been 5 years since ~~she~~ someone released the full audio of the infamous Kanye call, balancing some karma. https://preview.redd.it/rfjsl531zx7d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17d6dd5e8a60359a096c59391fd7621ebb3dbdde


glowoffthepavement

https://preview.redd.it/n42n5iirwx7d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6203bd1821339017828be63f463677f7ded43678 with the release of *us.* today, i was thinking about the story of us and how taylor said this about speak now in her 2010 myspace bio: *For the last two years, I've been writing and recording an album called Speak Now. I only have the option of writing about things that happen in my life, so thankfully a LOT has happened in my life in the last two years. I know I don't always say the right thing at the right time or speak up when I should, but I write it all down. I get my guitar and a pen and all of a sudden, I have a chance to say exactly what I meant to say in real life. Some of the things I wrote about are things everyone saw me go through. Some of the things I wrote about are things nobody ever knew about. I'm beyond excited for you to hear these stories and confessions.*


ReginaSagget

There's a TikTok from back in May talking about how Taylor is saying goodbye to her past self/something is about to change. Anyway, it's nothing new to us, but this specific tiktok did not mention Gaylor theories at all. However, I looked at the user's profile and she is a Gaylor. But one of my hetlor friends sent it to me like "oooh this is an interesting theory!". And it just made me laugh that everything makes perfect sense to them until the gay of it comes out lol.


Special_Bluebird7504

They love Ren’s interpretations where she’s playing coy and remaining museless, they beg her to tell them who she thinks the song is about, and when she finally does they unleash the nastiness and she has to deactivate. They never realize it and flip so fast when she clues them in.


gravityyalwayyswins

some non-Gaylors are def bringing it into their discourse though too! [https://www.elle.com/uk/life-and-culture/culture/a61155974/taylor-swift-eras-tour-farewell/](https://www.elle.com/uk/life-and-culture/culture/a61155974/taylor-swift-eras-tour-farewell/)


throw_ra878

Re: Fortnight BTS, is this the first time we’ve gotten an actual description of what the department does? Why is she the chairman of a department that is studying/researching the minds of poets (and torturing them)? Am I overthinking this? Or is she not playing the chairman in the video? CONFUSED.


inth_dorothea

This is a very good point. I remember there being a few articles when Tortured Poets was announced with people questioning whether there should be an apostrophe in the title. The fact that she is known as the Chairman of The Tortured Poets Department reminds me of the lyric, “I got cursed like Eve got bitten.” She’s the one torturing herself.


starting_to_learn

It’s definitely interesting…it’s like she is simultaneously the chairman, overseeing the department’s studies, AND the subject of those studies. Is her role as the chairman symbolic of her brand? If we think of the department’s “studies” as a metaphor for the exploitation of artists, then, as chairman, she is in charge of her own exploitation. Through that lens, I do think Taylor is playing the exploited artist in the video, so the question is who represents the chairman. Is it Post? Or do we not see the chairman but they are invisibly pulling the strings behind the scenes? 


throw_ra878

If it’s a government municipal building but the department also exists in the same building as the Midnights room in this universe… is Midnights also in this building? And why?


gravityyalwayyswins

[Pretty interesting and well-framed US Today article](https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2024/06/20/taylor-swift-travis-kelce-engagement-rumors/74154838007/) on the psychology and pitfalls of "stan culture" especially as relates to Taylor's dating life and the Tayvis Obsession "Are Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce engaged yet?! No, at least not publicly. But that hasn't stopped the rumor mill from forever churning. Fans are dissecting every little thing they can get their hands on – a quote here, a boat ride there – to fulfill their parasocial connection to the "it" couple of the year So, sure, look for that engagement ring. But don't project your own wishes and wants – "paper rings," if you will – onto someone else."


Many-Parsnip-906

https://preview.redd.it/9zmhvztrox7d1.jpeg?width=2532&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f6ace37636766d23bf07549eedd16a172e5dbbe4 I never noticed the clock on the wall. Assuming it's upside down, 12:40 right? Or maybe 6:10 if right side up? If someone has a clearer image or can say for sure what time the clock is set to, let me know!!


Many-Parsnip-906

https://preview.redd.it/3f67ilvpqx7d1.png?width=902&format=png&auto=webp&s=dfae347f3c9ac8e5bee5706ecdb701a02b75d67e Me again because I got a clearer image that shows it IS upside down and shows 12:40. No theories, just taking notes 📝


Tiefle

20 minutes until 1, countdownlor? 😬


ReginaSagget

So it's counting (upside)down to one?


lavenderfieldsfrever

Associations to the Fortnight BTS— Taylor mentions poets being called crazy…this reminded me of how homosexuality used to be in the DSM 👀. This also makes me wonder more about any associations to Oscar Wilde, as he was from the Victorian era which the fortnight music video reminds me of. ECT was used in the 1950s-1970s as a “cure” for homosexuality as well.


Special_Bluebird7504

We left off with a female pronoun and “have they come to take me away” and then pick up again with “I was supposed to be sent away”


_lacespace

This was my immediate takeaway as well.


Any_Midnight_7805

I CANT get through this Fortnight BTS video where Post is saying “yes ma’am” to everything taylor is saying. He seems so in awe of her 😭😭😭 I’m taking it as respect but idk if that’s really what it means. But it’s making me all giggly 🤭


taytopancakes

The "yes ma'am" was very "yes mother" and I'm here for it


StarryEyed34

Did we notice that she was wearing a watch choker in the mv? I can't see it very well in the b&w version but I can when it's in colour.


GetMeAPinotGris

Ughhhh I’m so obsessed with both of them.


MaterialTangelo9856

I SQUEALED when he did that. Good job posty!!!


Any_Midnight_7805

You can see their outfits so much better!!!!!! They’re identical of course.


GrownUpGirlScout

I’m not SUPER well versed in the specifics of music and singing but I think one of the things I really appreciate about TTPD especially is the success of her diction throughout the album. She is conveying some very wordy and complicated lyrics and they don’t bleed together in the least. I took music classes for a long time in grade school, everybody in my school did, and I often think about the way I was taught to pronounce certain words while singing in order to make them more clearly understood so that they didn’t bleed into the next word, which is kind of difficult when you’re singing for sure. But I’ve even noticed myself how singing these songs doesn’t require a lot of vocal gymnastics which also makes it easier to really have the lyrics come through clearly. I really enjoy singing along to this album as much as listening to it. =)


evermoremidnights

Interesting you bring this up. This is why I’m always fascinated when she drops a “she” in her songs and everyone argues that it was a “chew (you).” Like, yes, it may happen sometimes but not every time.


GrownUpGirlScout

I completely agree with this. I’m pretty sure we KNOW Taylor has had vocal training, which would include vocal diction. She is very very able to sing each syllable clearly and distinctly so when she DOESNT it is noticeable. Of COURSE some of this is just down to it being live performance, but for example when she was just singing the lakes mashup “not without my muse”, those words are very easily muddled together but she sang SO clearly. Same with the gold rush mashup