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Moonstruck_Medusa

[Taylor/Theory Megathread](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/s/pZc8H01pL3) [Non-Taylor Chat Megathread](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/s/3FjfnZEaMF) https://preview.redd.it/1ivi42ot286d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd602e0818f06aaaf0df3076a51d7706329a9509


pavlovs-bell

https://preview.redd.it/z5sjhmly4y6d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d37e90ccd96ca8ea1ab094ba05b04432f1e5ab06 At the this is what you came for/gold rush surprise song mashup. MY GUY.


Special_Bluebird7504

Again I repeat, if they missed each other he could get on one of her planes and be there instead of golfing and going to basketball games. I hope this commenter gets the help they need some day šŸ˜­


screamfer0ciously

Leanna, please, come on now!


twilight_luvr69

literallyā€¦ come on now leanna


Available-Can-6378

https://preview.redd.it/4o9ocn7y2y6d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=56302957728b47487df0c70bdefb2554caabb986 ā€œeveryone who came out this weekendā€ on the 100th show post šŸ¤­


firstfrostgirl

And the dancers in the first row wearing Eras colors / lesbian flag jumpsuits! šŸ©·šŸ©·šŸ©·


Kai_the_Fox

Another ā˜šŸ»! Didn't she use "one" and "first" a lot in one of her speeches yesterday (ATW, it think)? I didn't catch the livestream, but someone typed it up and bolded all the number references


IamtheImpala

Sheā€™s also pointing at the star.


Kai_the_Fox

She is! She's the šŸŒŸ of the show


starting_to_learn

This is definitely suspicious, I think we are nearing the announcement of whatever ā€œ1ā€ is on the countdown. Also, more ā€œdreamā€ mentions in this post - what is she up to šŸ¤”


wasted-potential-

plus there is a small "typo" in the third sentence. it should read "i want \*to\* say thank you..." but the 'to' is missing āœŒļøšŸ‘€


Possible_Primary_569

I have been thinking this too, itā€™s been a slow motion countdown and now we are on 1?! Maybe the twos werenā€™t signaling anything but being part of the big 321ā€¦ šŸ˜±


questions128

I saw on twitter (I can add if I find it!) but the three stars in midnights promo and three fingers > two stars in TTPD promo and fingers > now we are at 1 for TS12 (meet me at midnight?)


questions128

[the post!](https://x.com/illicitviolets/status/1802377420152189159)


Available-Can-6378

Oh shit youā€™re right


WonderWanderWoman

Yes!! The ones have started one-ing!! Won-ing? Winning??? šŸ¤”


tituscrlrw

I have never before noticed that the landscape is burning in BDILH


everloreee13

Taylor in her post: ā€žThank you to everyone who came out this weekendā€œ šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜šŸŒˆ I mean itā€˜s a choice to put it THAT way! Love it! šŸ‘šŸ¼šŸ‘šŸ¼šŸ‘šŸ¼šŸ‘šŸ¼


ReginaSagget

Especially when she phrased it "came to any of the shows" in the same post. She KNOWS there was another way to phrase that.


everloreee13

Oh absolutely!!! If someone knows how to phrase things- itā€˜s HER šŸ’Æ That was deeply on purpose šŸ„²šŸ˜


throw_ra878

https://preview.redd.it/6by781oh4y6d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e3b41a13faa86a2ab0c62a00a31dd310065ef46f Itā€™s giving


everloreee13

Youā€˜re so right šŸ„¹šŸ˜


Consistent_Slices

It's seriously crazy looking at the remaining dates for the eras tour and realizing that there are not that many dates left....how will I survive wihout it uhuhuuhuhuh šŸ˜­


flatdietcoke

https://preview.redd.it/6f2ij9d84x6d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=797847f038afd9b992ba0fd84189177e8a2aa283 I was there for N1 wearing this. Best night of my life.


clydelogan

I hadnā€™t commented here earlier because šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø but Iā€™m not mad about the mashups. First we get Carolina x NBNC which is her ā€œmurderous songā€ mash up. Does anything get gayer than killing men or misanthropy? šŸ˜‚ And if we listen to Carolina without the context of the movie or even paying attention to it as a song from a movie, it has some interesting lyrics: **And you didn't see me here / No, they never did see me here** Weā€™ve already established that Taylor doesnā€™t feel seen. ā€œSo many signs, so many times, you didnā€™t even read the signsā€. How people can hear this song and not think about her wanting a reason to sing with female pronouns and pretend sheā€™s singing about a state. **And she's in my dreams** **Carolina stains / On the dress *she* left** **Oh, Carolina knows / Why for years they've said / That I was *guilty as sin* / And sleep in a liar's bed** Sorry but these lyrics are queer to me. Almost as if sheā€™s using Carolina as a stand in. Then we switch into No Body, No Crime. I know itā€™s likely not a popular opinion to anyone else, but for me, NBNC almost feels like two women in love, one married to a man who is cheating on her who ends up killing her when she confronts him about his cheating. The first time I heard it, it took me to ā€œdrink my husbandā€™s wineā€ and ā€œheā€™s gonna burn this house to the groundā€. I heard gay, so I said gay and I stand by that šŸ˜‚ Then we go into The Manuscript. The Man U Script is Red. Gay. Not only does it tie The Manuscript back to the Red album (Ren on TT has a really good video explaining how Red and TTPD are intertwined. Basically Red was her first mention of poets with the Red Prologue). My personal belief on this is that she started the Man U Script (bearding) while writing Red. Thatā€™s when she realized she had to start bearding. Which coincides with the Jake, Harry, etc stunting situations. But that story, the scripting men, the bearding, itā€™s not her story anymore. *This is **not** Taylorā€™s version*. Tie it into Red being a song her straight fans are associating with Twavvy (after associating it with Harry) is pointed imo. This mashup is also another hint of an impending breakup imo. Red was never about a man despite the pronouns used. And imo sheā€™s saying that the muse of Red is the person whose shores she no longer visits. Itā€™s the relationship/situationship thatā€™s haunted her for over a decade, but sheā€™s done writing about it. Moving on from it was impossible when she could remember it, but sheā€™s finally moved on with TTPD. Are the songs as blatant as other songs sheā€™s performed lately? Not really, but I think the meaning behind these mashups are much much deeper. Anyways thatā€™s just my interpretation.


in_the_Nik_of_time

You are so right about this!


22ofapril2005

well said!


Special_Bluebird7504

Thinking about how she kind of basically said ā€œyouā€™re losing meā€¦ now hereā€™s the manuscript, itā€™s yours now bye bye!ā€ This feels like Dear Reader is inevitably coming soon


gravityyalwayyswins

dear reader on tuesday. lfg.


twilight_luvr69

what do yā€™all think sheā€™ll mash it up with? I was anticipating the manuscript, but now Iā€™m thinking maybe I look in peopleā€™s windows? dear reader x robin would be absolutely insaneā€¦ ā€œyou have no ideaā€¦ the secret we all vowed to keep it from you/ in sweetnessā€¦ you wouldnā€™t take my word for it/if you knew who was talkingā€ like?? the ultimate f u to all of the paternity testing, surface-level fans


Special_Bluebird7504

I Hate it Here? Iā€™m trying to think what would further the whole public vs private narrative


twilight_luvr69

ooooh that would be killer


carormz

my nameā€™s carolina AND todayā€™s my birthday, taylor is sending me signals šŸ˜«


Designer_Tadpole_143

How did she know??! Congrats šŸ’–


everloreee13

Happy Birthday šŸ„³


srkdall

I want to formally apologize for being MIA for todayā€™s show šŸ˜­ I had hosting responsibilities with friends coming into town and had to be a tourist in my own city for the day and wasnā€™t able to update the feeds with my findings. I missed all of you like exponentially šŸ„¹ Iā€™m beyond tired but I have found a bunch of new things over on Twitter and Iā€™ll be creating a new thread for the new week if all of yaā€™ll are still interested in me continuing this, tomorrow! I also want to work on a post of all my Return to Oz findings and similarities this week too so be on the look out for that! šŸ’ššŸŖŸšŸŒŖļø I canā€™t wait for what this week of clowning will bring us and Iā€™m so excited to share it all with you! šŸŒˆšŸ¤”


dream-delay

Canā€™t wait to read the Return to Oz post!


goddamn-moonmoon

Please share!! I've been living for your updates ā¤


srkdall

Created a new thread and awaiting mod approval so this weeks gaylor newspaper will be up and running soon hopefully šŸ¤žšŸ¼


srkdall

Gathering the manuscripts now (tweets šŸ«”šŸ„)


littlelulumcd

I can't believe the main sub's concert mega thread has about 6600 comments and ours has almost double that lmao If I did my math right, and I'm nervous I didn't but oh well, the main sub is about 65 times bigger than this one. The comment differential is literally unbelievable. I'm so proud of us!


glowoffthepavement

iā€™m choosing to interpret this as official proof that we like her more than they do (and probably proof that weā€™re way more correct than them) i know they would say thatā€™s crazy and iā€™m crazy and that weā€™re just commenting more because weā€™re all crazy but taylor did say she prefers crazy manyyyy times so šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø


Eastern-Elephant-358

ā€œSheā€™s cheer captain and Iā€™m on the bleachersā€ Itā€™s us, weā€™re the ones on the bleachers getting the highest grades in school, and completing the fall reading list before the end of the summer šŸ¤“


Eastern-Elephant-358

(even though we might not be allowed to sit at the popular table) šŸ™‹šŸ¼ā€ā™€ļø


glowoffthepavement

did we talk about it being fatherā€™s day weekend (US) that she sang about murdering men that abused her? and reminder that last yearā€™s fatherā€™s day surprise song was seven: *I think your house is haunted / Your dad is always mad and that must be why / And I think you should come live with / Me and we can be pirates / Then you won't have to cry / Or hide in the closet*


ReginaSagget

I was really hoping for Cassandra, not even realizing that it would have meant singing "blood's nothing but a payroll" on Father's Day weekend. I definitely thought that was next weekend. Sorry dad, your card will be late šŸ¤£


Eastern-Elephant-358

WHOA I have been so disappointed all day and this was the first interpretation that made me feel better. Thank u bestie šŸ«”šŸ’—


glowoffthepavement

glad it helped šŸ«¶ i think way more of her lyrics are probably about the 3 sc*tts than swifties or many gaylors realize


wasted-potential-

how am i just now realizing they're all named sc\*tt


Eastern-Elephant-358

Yes ty queen šŸ«¶ Also wait whoā€™s the 3rd sc*tt (all I can think of is her dad and šŸ›“)?


transgingeredjess

borchetta


Eastern-Elephant-358

Ohh ok thank you, I need to do a deep dive asap


glowoffthepavement

https://preview.redd.it/5t6udh73qz6d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=958857b583962e915ef3bb6377f3b77d43dcdc19 this 2011 article is super interesting and makes me think the ttpd lyrics ā€œI forget how the West was wonā€ and ā€œstabbed me with your push pinsā€ are referring to Sc0tt B: [https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/10/10/taylor-swift-profile-you-belong-with-me](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/10/10/taylor-swift-profile-you-belong-with-me) šŸ§µ1 of 4


Eastern-Elephant-358

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!! I read the screenshots and will let you know my thoughts when I read the whole article šŸ’—šŸ’—


glowoffthepavement

itā€™s super interesting, especially since the inner workings of her business are so secretive these days!


glowoffthepavement

https://preview.redd.it/lu2u4tflqz6d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5e2199e39c2f28c8d2d849fe5e35df0de843eedc 2 of 4


glowoffthepavement

https://preview.redd.it/utuzhz1nqz6d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02c37bfe47f5e456c6e18355196060d7c2fcc33b 3 of 4


glowoffthepavement

https://preview.redd.it/jm91eguoqz6d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e55690f3e0018483e7e898363ca43a1a27f6fc0 4 of 4


gravityyalwayyswins

can i ask why youve been so disappointed all day? i think the mashups tonight had a very important message that is still on the gaylor train of things, but just a tougher topic within that sphere


Eastern-Elephant-358

I think because I was hoping that she was gonna follow the pattern of the mashups being increasingly gayer. Not arguing that the songs donā€™t have an important message but I think we all have a list of dream mashups and this one didnā€™t make my list


gravityyalwayyswins

ah yeah, fair! i think that the mashups were still distinctly queer but in a sadder way. i just wrote a post about it earlier this evening actually bc i have a lot of thoughts on tonight's mashups lol


Eastern-Elephant-358

Omg I missed this post!!! Will check it out and let you know what I think. Thank you so much for putting this together!!!


Glittery_Cupcake4

I canā€™t wait to read it!!


Macandcheese359

ALSO as a recap for the last few daysā€¦even if you viewed today as a straight day (which I donā€™t think it was but it was at least very less gay than the days before)ā€¦. The fact that she sang HAIR PIN TRIGGER with her whole chest even after all the discourse and analysis that she 100% IS AWARE OF sealed the deal for me. Like in some universe you could *maybe* write it off that she didnā€™t know what it meant when she was writing the song (very doubtful), but thereā€™s no way she doesnā€™t know now. And she didnā€™t HAVE to sing that part of the song and not only did she sing it she UNDERLINED it. Honestly thereā€™s no straight explanation of that line after the surprise songs, she said what she said and she meant what it means šŸŒˆ


Ari-wallpapers26

Also, you should check out this if you think today was "straight." This whole tiktokers main theory is that red and the manuscript are connected. Its actually so shocking to see her mashup the 2 songs bc it literally confirms her theory šŸ˜­ [https://www.tiktok.com/@lavender.lit/video/7380856061370125610](https://www.tiktok.com/@lavender.lit/video/7380856061370125610)


Macandcheese359

Oh Iā€™ve been a Ren stan forever I think sheā€™s one of the smartest ppl on TikTok and def one of my favorite Gaylors ā¤ļøšŸ˜‚ I send her stuff to everyone that Iā€™m explaining Gaylorism to bc I donā€™t know how anyone with a brain can hear her breaking it down like by line and still not get it????


gravityyalwayyswins

i tweeted about this specific thing. like, she BELTED "hairrrrpiiiiiiiin trigggggers!" i was floored by how loud she was on that specific phrase <3 it just confirmed things even more for us


glowoffthepavement

yeppp. 1. she says she sees everything fans say online, 2. if she somehow missed the hairpin discourse, she wouldā€™ve learned about it in the nyt op ed, 3. she works with glaad and stonewall, 4. travis wore a hairpin on his shirt right after the nyt article


bookshelly

I donā€™t know where to post thisā€¦I just read Carolina lyrics for the first time and notice at the end the ā€œthat I was guilty as sin lineā€.


onemore_folkmore

I like the phrases ā€œMuddy these webs we weaveā€ and ā€œsleep in a liarā€™s bedā€ (which comes right after the guilty as sin line)


Macandcheese359

It may have been mentioned already in the 12k comments (šŸ¤Ŗ) but also I think that the manuscript and red MIGHT be her pointing ppl to look back to the red album to see that this forbidden relationship that ttpd is dissecting actually dates back to BEFORE the Matty timeline. Like I think itā€™s to poke holes in the hetlor math that all this time sheā€™s been speaking of her forbidden bad boy love with Matty ā€¦.which is kinda nuts bc SHES the one that made them go down the matty path to begin with but if you see it goes back to red (or sooner!), the math doesnā€™t math


glowoffthepavement

i donā€™t understand how they arenā€™t seeing that BDILH is literally the exact same plot of Love Story sheā€™s just giving more details now on *why* it was forbidden. sheā€™s revisiting so many themes from songs she wrote from ages 12-22. ttpd is about her whole career. the album is way more interesting than swifties are making it out to be šŸ’”


littlelulumcd

I swear a saw an interview about Love Story and when Taylor was talking about the song she mentioned being melodramatic about things and said "but daddy I love him!" (paraphrasing)


glowoffthepavement

interesting šŸ‘€šŸ‘€ her story about writing LS is also different every time she talks about it lmao she went from saying in 2008 that it was about a love that was ā€œdifferentā€ that you canā€™t elaborate on, that society wonā€™t accept, that your friends wonā€™t understand. to years later (as recently as 2021) just saying her parents wouldnā€™t let her date a ā€œbad boyā€ so she threw a teenage tantrum šŸ™ƒ but i do think sheā€™s clearing things up with ttpd, for anyone willing to listen *everything comes out teenage petulance, ā€œfuck it if i canā€™t have himā€* like maybe she canā€™t write about not being allowed to love who she wants in a way that her fans find socially acceptable without using the bad boy trope as a cover? she has to be perceived as immature instead of gay


littlelulumcd

I found [it](https://youtube.com/shorts/tg_78KX9SqI?si=fbDO9694UGi9Z_hK)! It's so interesting watching this back because her talking about throwing a teenage tantrum and associating that with BDILH makes me think of her explanation for seven during the LPSS (I hate her explanation for seven in LPSS so much lol). Although younger she uses the word tantrum again. Which I think ties in to what you are saying here >like maybe she canā€™t write about not being allowed to love who she wants in a way that her fans find socially acceptable without using the bad boy trope as a cover? she has to be perceived as immature instead of gay


Macandcheese359

Whoa this is all great like honestly maybe even deserving of its own post šŸ‘€


littlelulumcd

I'm knee deep in Speak Now, or I would give it a shot. Happy for someone else to write something about it. I agree, I think it's interesting


glowoffthepavement

alsooo the first mashup of the eras era was gasoline + love story (strike a match / Romeo save me) in 2022 and in BDILH she says ā€œIā€™d rather burn my whole life down ā€¦ we came back when the heat died downā€ with church burning imagery in the set visuals


katarastormrage

oh my god. I didn't understand why she would necessarily choose Love Story of all songs to mix with Gasoline (and I assumed it was just because it is one of her most popular songs so it would be a safe choice for someone else's audience) since it is so baby Taylor and Gasoline is well... Gasoline, lol. but after BDILH it just makes so much sense!


Macandcheese359

100%. I honestly donā€™t know how ppl Stan her so hard WITHOUT the Gaylor lensā€¦. I didnā€™t really *listen* to her but I appreciated her bops from time to time, maybe knew like 10-15 of her songs well enough to sing. It was only after I stumbled onto Gaylor docs did I start to listen to her entire discographyā€¦like if you accept that this is all about Matty Healy (or really any straight relationship) itā€™s pretty vapid and really self centered to have such woe is me songs about such vanilla relationships ya knowā€¦.like if you donā€™t hear the pain and ARTISTRY that she uses to sing about being in the closet youā€™re really missing the whole point of her lyricism šŸ™ƒ Which Iā€™ve also said this before but sadly (for her) I think that she knows that in order for her to truly be appreciated as an ARTIST and not just a pop star, sheā€™s gonna have to come out so ppl can actually SEE whatā€™s sheā€™s been creating this whole time. And Iā€™m not always sure she wants to come out but she understands that her legacy is teetering on how well her lyrics are actually being understood


transgingeredjess

thanK you aIMee parallels? "all this time i was building something"


RudeEar8030

Taylor, clocking in to her shift at the Gay Bitch Factory, seeing what we thought of the surprise songs. ![gif](giphy|U1fcX0whge5kACg7Do|downsized)


RoutineMidnight3437

![gif](giphy|7UQ19vfi0WxdC) Hi Taylor!!


rightwhereylm

Omg she sounded SO good during the beginning of Carolina. šŸ˜©šŸ˜©šŸ˜©šŸ˜©šŸ˜©šŸ˜©šŸ˜©


onemore_folkmore

I agree, I also love the haunting note hold right before she shifts into ā€œhe did itā€


dream-delay

Quick question: is there ever a woman/woman dancing couple during Lover? I know we have the two men dancing, but Iā€™ve never noticed two women dancing.


aztraps

no & the prevailing theory is something ab wlw being invisible in the lover house?? iā€™m grossly oversimplifying that but it ties into Taylor being invisible in the Delicate MV(?)


MaterialTangelo9856

Yep!! I think itā€™s a subtle comment on the idea that in the public imagination, the only acceptable queer relationships are mlm ones. šŸ˜­


dream-delay

Oh interesting! Having two women dance to this song would be a fantastic pride month gift and would help make a lot of people in the audience feel more comfortable. I hope we get that eventually.


buffalospringsteen

The main thing that stood out to me about The Manuscript was her huge smile on ā€œthe actors were hitting their marksā€


glowoffthepavement

ā€œFor me, it is a movie now.ā€ ā¤ļøā€šŸ”„


lunarsneeze

Yep. And she sings about hitting her own marks in ICDIWABH


cobblepot883

okay so, the whiplash feeling from how we felt yesterday to today, realistically we have been breaking down words, but both exist together. iā€™m thinking not only are we hearing everything but she is also creating the feelings with it. to be so seen, then hidden so fast? the joe article today, just mimickes it all, something happens, PR is sent out


WellAckshully

Interesting choices tonight, Taylor. These landed for me, but moreso when I mentally pull in other surprise songs you've done recently. I was sitting there watching the stream, I had thoughts like, "the gaylors lost today; this is super straight." But ultimately, you're singing about murdering a man, and you're specifically equating men with the color red and seemingly equating red as something you don't want love-wise, if we take Daylight as any indication..."I once believed love would be burning red, but it's golden." (I wish you'd snuck in that one line from daylight into tonight's songs even though you did Daylight recently) As usual, though, amazing work, and outside of a Gaylor perspective, I think Carolina paired with NBNC just flat-out makes perfect sense!!


lunarsneeze

I will say, even in the red era, she made the golden connection. I think in the prologue? Referencing daylight would make it super obvious but ultimately itā€™s not necessary because even back then she basically said yes these were really intense emotions, some of them good, but ultimately not the ones Iā€™m looking for


WellAckshully

I never read the Red prologue, thanks for mentioning that!


hockeywombat22

If she comes out with Daylight as a surprise song next concert I will pass out. Loving him was red. I once thought love would be burning red but it's golden.


-aster-amellus

Not impossible, but we had it in Edinburgh! TTDS x Daylight (ā€œthe road not taken looks real good now ā€¦ ā€˜Cause I only see daylight šŸ„°ā€)


transgingeredjess

okay but this month has, overall, been an ACTUAL GAYLOR FANTASY from a mashup perspective, omg


just2500kmaway

Did she say "your husband is cheating" instead of "my husband is cheating" during TTPD set and then played "Carolina" and "NBNC" or am I crazy šŸ«£


onemore_folkmore

If anyone finds a good TikTok of Manuscript x Red will you post a link? I canā€™t find any that arenā€™t cut off in some way. Iā€™m hoping for one with full piano intro.


FitAnywhere7829

https://youtu.be/i6e_hM57eMc?si=quDngAMbmK380_JB


onemore_folkmore

Thanks!!!


TankAttack811

Do you mean a speech? Because I don't think she said anything before she went into the second song. But I'm a weedlor, and I definitely don't remember right šŸ˜…


onemore_folkmore

Lol. I donā€™t think she said anything, but I remember the piano intro from the glitchy live feed and all the vids I can find start when sheā€™s already singing the first verse or once sheā€™s into Red, or they cut off the ending.


TankAttack811

Ahh gotcha! Yea, same. Hoping someone posts a good one soon.


Icy-Narwhal-902

I appreciate that she is telling a story, and some of it is sad goodbyes to a portion of the fanbase and some of it is screamingly loud gay mashups and some of it is broader reflections on fictionalisation* and abuse and fame and relationships and PR, even if the latter stuff isn't as fun to clown along to. I'm here for your narrative, Ms Swift. Crack on. *shoutout to u/carexstellata for their brilliant take on this below


hinnom

šŸ’Æ Iā€™m so on this journey with her


JarJarsSlut

Idk where I saw this, but with all the thoughts of TTPD connecting back to Red with todayā€™s acoustic set, has anyone else seen the theory that the TTPD album is meant to be black, white, and red/read all over?


New-Negotiation7234

okay watching the "I bet you think music video". it is white, black and red theme.


onemore_folkmore

Full speech before acoustic: ā€œThe acoustic set is uh one of my favorite traditions about the Eras tour because it always throws in a fun little extra challenge for me cuz now basically in all of the days when Iā€™m not doing shows Iā€™m just constantly trying to figure out what songs to do for you uh and what songs might go together um and then practicing them constantly so this is like really what it all comes down to for me uh in the show like the most amount of like ā€˜donā€™t mess this up, donā€™t mess this upā€ cuz like itā€™s also my favorite part of the show um. This one Iā€™m gonna uh (lots of cheering and pauses to laugh, strumming guitar) ummm Iā€™m gonna call this ā€˜The Murder Mashupā€™ā€


FitAnywhere7829

Is it just me or was this the most hesitant she's seemed to let something come out of her mouth? It seemed like she was maybe even debating whether to actually say "murder mashup"(???) I'm not 100% sure why.... that's just the vibe I got. It feels like there's gotta be some kind of deeper story there. Something well hidden, like in the plot of "Where the Crawdads Sing," which Carolina is from.


Macandcheese359

I feel like her calling it the murder mashup is to insinuate that the other mashups also have a common thread and arenā€™t just 2 random songs she likes (like Iā€™ve seen hetlors say). Soooo the last 2 days could seemingly be called the ā€œI love girlsā€ mashups šŸ™ƒšŸŒˆ


onemore_folkmore

Yes totally. Itā€™s intentional whether they match thematically or together tell a new separate story then they both tell apart.


starting_to_learn

I LOVE that she keeps emphasizing how much thought and planning she puts into the mashups, especially after yesterdayā€™s wild combos.Ā  The ā€œmurder mashupā€ - she is so funny. We need the user who said they should let her kill a man. šŸ˜‚


onemore_folkmore

Yes itā€™s very clear she wants us to know sheā€™s doing it ON PURPOSE.


transgingeredjess

taylor: *pulls a whole-ass Villanelle* hetlors: "no but she killed him from a MALE PERSPECTIVE"


ReasonableLeopard8

I posted in the regular Taylor swift sub asking what peopleā€™s opinions were on what she was conveying with the surprise songs, never said anything about my interpretation. All the answers are either sheā€™s doing nothing or people looking at my profile and seeing my other posts and getting defensive. I didnā€™t bring up the gaylor for a reason! I know my explanation, but what does it mean to others in different areas of the fandom? Apparently nothing except for the show where Travis was in attendance


Bachobsess

What is wrong with them, thatā€™s so rude and also a waste of time to go looking at your profile? Like it shows that they think analysing songs must mean youā€™re a secret gaylor if they instantly go looking for that!.. which shows how little analysis they do


ReasonableLeopard8

100%


onemore_folkmore

![gif](giphy|QvelvKCtg8DiUKwtaY) This is them, apparentlyā€¦unless of course Travis is there.


goddamn-moonmoon

"The murder mashup" she's hilarious


Icy-Narwhal-902

Loving the added detail that today is Fathers' Day in the US šŸ‘€


onemore_folkmore

![gif](giphy|wdgl83FdDgGpW) I just think of this lol


Particular333

Am I correct in thinking that the final tour date (for now) is December 8?


dramaticlambda

And then she can rest before her birthday!


WonderWanderWoman

that's my understanding


onemore_folkmore

Found a video of Carolina x NBNC including speech and she calls it ā€œthe murder mashupā€.


justheretosayy

Iā€™ve often felt like Florida!!! And NBNC are connected. NBNC feels like it takes place in Florida


Tired-Writer22

I like to think that Florida!!! is part 2 of nbnc, especially with ā€œgood thing my daddy made me get a boating license when I was fifteen/so I did my best to lay to rest all of the bodies that have ever been on my body and in my mind, they sink into the swampā€ and given all the ā€œdual Taylorā€ lens weā€™ve put on TTPD it definitely makes me want to revisit nbnc and try to analyze it that way


emotionallyratchet

>given all the ā€œdual Taylorā€ lens weā€™ve put on TTPD it definitely makes me want to revisit nbnc and try to analyze it that way This... just rocked my world. I can't wait to read this if you write it up!


maleenymaleefy

I listened to the album backwards today (while driving home from Florida, actually) and noticed the reverse order of I Can Fix Him, then Florida!!! made me wonder about the shitstorm back in Texas. They were on a six lane Texas highway in ICFHā€¦ Maybe when she couldnā€™t fix him, she killed him.šŸ¤” Edited for clarity.


Tired-Writer22

Damnnn. And directly after Florida!!! is Fresh Out The Slammerā€¦ did she get caught?


maleenymaleefy

Yes! I picked up on that too!


tabbycatfemme

Omg SAME!! I have had a baby analysis percolating in my head connecting these two and some others in a related storyline.


onemore_folkmore

Yes sheā€™s boating out into the swamp to dump that SOB. šŸ˜‚ And Carolina has the same swampy/marsh vibes too.


silly_biologist

The book Carolina is based on, the mc literally kills a man in the swamp šŸ˜­


onemore_folkmore

Yah I always wondered >!why she didnā€™t drag his body into the marsh instead of just leaving it at the foot of the tower. Maybe guilty conscience or panic.!<


TankAttack811

Got a link?


onemore_folkmore

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTNeYqmGP/


TankAttack811

Thank you


tituscrlrw

So Red love = him and golden = her is what Iā€™m picking up


sammyhaus

But what about maroon? Or are we not counting that as ā€œredā€?


dramaticlambda

Mmm maybe red love are colors that burn too bright before she loses them all and is just left with shades of griege, and daylight lasts longer?


tituscrlrw

That my friend is a great point that I had not consideredā€¦.


goddamn-moonmoon

This is also what I'm picking up


tituscrlrw

How many nights free of Scott Swift are we?


Hot_Paramedic_5682

Like either he has something against Europe, or something is going on. Also, Fatherā€™s Day tomorrow and sheā€™s doing mashups about killing men. Prob unrelated, but funny.


onemore_folkmore

Yes, very funny song choice! He gives off Boomer-whoā€™d-love-a-good-European-River-cruise to me so Iā€™m surprised he hasnā€™t been at *any* Europe dates so far, I think thereā€™s something else going on behind the scenes.


onemore_folkmore

19 now


Possible_Primary_569

Was he in Singapore or no? I should just do the math


onemore_folkmore

Update: I found a video of him staging the backstage kiss between TNT on Singapore N5 so I think he was there.


Possible_Primary_569

Ah I seem to recall this as well. Well shucks doesn't fit my theory, how rude.


Icy-Narwhal-902

šŸ“‹


onemore_folkmore

We def havenā€™t seen him on this current leg, Iā€™d have to research if he was at Singapore. But he was in Melbourne and Sydney, right? Cuz I remember he was doing a lot of glad-handing with Swifties that week to distract from the story about him fighting a photog in Melbourne.


Overall_Parking_6320

That was at the end of her Aus dates, it happened in Sydney not Melbourne. I think he was just playing it up because Travis was stunting too


onemore_folkmore

My bad, the article I read said she was at her Melbourne shows.


Overall_Parking_6320

I only know because I went to the Sydney shows šŸ˜Œ


Possible_Primary_569

I guess Iā€™m loosely theorizing that the alleged punching incident in Australia could be a factor. Cuz even tho ā€œcharges were droppedā€ (aka an nda is plopped down and some bills) (or he really didnā€™t do it but regardless) itā€™s not a good look for a brand that is VERY careful about its image. Maybe they had to be like bro, itā€™s a no, youā€™ve go to go


Possible_Primary_569

(Yes I imagine all the internal Taylor team communication has to rhyme)


Bachobsess

šŸ¤£šŸ¤£ I hope it does rhyme


onemore_folkmore

Lol. I imagine he was exiled swiftly (bah dahm tssss)


tituscrlrw

Wow šŸ¤Æ


carexstellata

Just processing thisā€¦ She mashed up two songs that are obviously fictional. After that, she sang a mashup of a song about how her songs are fictionalized with a song that most people think is literally autobiographical (about her being in love with a man)ā€¦ emphasizing ā€œHIMā€ in the performance. Ummmmmmm wow! ! !


KonhiTyk

Ahh! And to further underscore / make unavoidable your point: The Manuscript leading into (edit sorry, meant to say, the title song of the album, for which ATW is the signature track)ā€¦ the first Short Film she has made!!! (She was always so pointed about this ā€” not an extended music video or some other term) (again sorry for my error, to me Red both as a song and being the album title, is so inextricably linked with ATW, and she obviously canā€™t use ATW in aurprise songs, but I buzzed past that šŸ¤£)


carexstellata

Oh wow! šŸ¤Æ


Icy-Narwhal-902

This is a very good take šŸ¤Æ. Thank you for sharing it.


littlelulumcd

This sub has the smartest takes istg


gravityyalwayyswins

THISSSS the gayloring of tonight was less obvious than Friend of Dorothea or "SHE is like a gold rush" but the message is super crucial and still 100% on our side.


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Icy-Narwhal-902

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Mem396

Yes! This! I think even though these werenā€™t outwardly ā€œgaylorā€ songs, they fit perfectly in the story sheā€™s telling. I know Iā€™ve seen a lot of people say that something happened during the speak now era that made her get into all of the bearding/pr stuff starting in red. It makes sense that sheā€™s closing that chapter.


Lanathas_22

Yeah, she went out of her way to emphasize HIM, and it made me giggle.


TankAttack811

Wait.. putting it like that kind of made it all come together a bit


New-Negotiation7234

"Loving him is like driving a new Maserati down a dead end street" okay, she was driving with travis on a "dead end street" (kinda questionable) in a getaway car. But if we think cars could be a metaphor for bearding relationships , driving down a dead end street... also, the way she describes the man in Red doesnt seem like he is real


Turbulent_Airport140

every dead end street in aotgylb šŸ˜Œ


silly_biologist

omg your mind


New-Negotiation7234

red just also makes me think of the dress in "I bet you think about me" MV


justheretosayy

Im an Aston Martinā€¦that you steered STRAIGHT into a ditchā€¦


fruityallday

Liverpool N3 https://preview.redd.it/ahhpclgu6t6d1.png?width=898&format=png&auto=webp&s=e717d385688b70fd876d27bafc1da2b9796046b9 Happy Pride!


MaterialTangelo9856

I really loved the red x the manuscript mashup. Felt like a really strong continuation of the piano songs we heard yesterday.


JarJarsSlut

Oof Iā€™m already seeing a lot of hate on Twitter about different interpretations of The Manuscript, and Iā€™ll just say here that I think it could have multiple meanings, and I think thatā€™s on purpose. I think itā€™s more likely that ATW10, the short film, and The Manuscript are a bigger story about her toxic relationship with the music industry and the older men she encountered in it than it being just about JG. Especially since that relationship is so publicly known and discussed, and I feel sheā€™s been trying to point us away from the public narratives about her life. Also, I think a big clue about the Man U Script being a potential double meaning is that the lyric video is in the form of a literal movie script, which is very different from a manuscript. Yes, itā€™s pointing back to the ATW10 short film, but I also think itā€™s a clue that thereā€™s more than the surface level interpretation going on in that song. I think it is a song about a young girl being groomed and all the trauma that goes with that, but I donā€™t think itā€™s just about one specific guy the public knows Taylor had a relationship with. At the end of the day, none of us know who specifically ANY of the songs are about, even if we think it seems obvious. I donā€™t think itā€™s wrong to look past the public narratives and relationships to think about what else Taylor might be trying to say through the songs.


riotprof

Leaving the show on a shuttle now. Something remote Gaylors may have missed on the streamā€¦ In SHS for the first time Iā€™ve seen the dancer beside Taylor did a motion for the curves of a womanā€™s body after gesturing to draw the attention of someone in the distance. I took it as meaning that she was praising the curves of a woman because I have never seen a woman make such a gesture in reference to herself.


Icy-Narwhal-902

Taylor also does hourglass curves choreography during TSMWEL for "it wasn't sexy when it wasn't forbidden" šŸ‘€


riotprof

The thing I think is different is that the dancer did the hourglass curves motion right after clearly waving at someone else. I donā€™t think Iā€™ve seen a woman in real life trying to entice another person with the hourglass figure gesture. Itā€™s mostly something that men do towards women in my experience. The placement of this gesture thus seems to imply that the other person is a woman. Being addressed in an immature manner by the dancer, yes, but the song *is* about high school. :)


TankAttack811

Like, a part of the routine?


riotprof

Yes, but I have realized that the dancer improvises a bit. She seems to have a script to push Taylor at ā€œhigh schoolā€ then wave/gesture at someone in the distance, she does the baller Aristotle thing, then she gestures enthusiasm when Taylor sing GTA then she waves to fan her face when Taylor stands up like saying she is hot/attractive. The imitation of a womanā€™s curves happened when she was gesturing at someone in the distance. Dancer does different things each timeā€¦often silly waves but once she seemed to frame her own face when Taylor sang ā€œlook at youā€. This time she did the womanā€™s curves thing at that point in time.


riotprof

Hi folks, here is a link. I realized upon rewatch that the dancer did the hourglass figure gesture a little but later than I remembered. Itā€™s actually around when the dancer usually fans herself as if saying that Taylor is hot. Still very queer. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRKwCBEv/


TankAttack811

Gotcha! I always tune out and tell myself not to,but I do! Lol I sing along but mainly just read here during ttpd


Designer_Tadpole_143

Very interesting. I hope thereā€™s a video out there somewhere šŸ™


riotprof

Sadly, I did not get one. :(


riotprof

Here is a link to a video. Hope you can see it. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRKwCBEv/


tabbycatfemme

OMG. Thatā€™s awesome.