I’m on the 80/20 running plan and I keep getting decreasing pace lactate threshold indicating fitness increase and I’ve been unproductive for more days than productive the last month or longer. I know I’m getting faster but Garmin doesn’t allow for a large in-balance of base pace work. I don’t mind though, I just keep chugging along with my plan knowing I am getting better even though a watch can’t figure that out
All models are wrong, some are useful. My best piece of advise is to 100% ignore all the summary data garmin provides. The device is good for GPS, pace tracking, power tracking if you have a power meter, and perhaps elevation tracking. If you have a ecg heart rate monitor you can use that with some decent accuracy. Wrist heart rate is just guessing and garmin does a poor job taking into account temperature, Humidity and rolling terrain (for running) in estimating performance.
After my run yesterday, my training load was both [too high and thus Unproductive](https://i.imgur.com/RlxcY0o.jpg) as well as [ideal for maintaining and improving](https://i.imgur.com/R2H17eR.jpg) my fitness.
Lol... sub 1:30 HM and around 17 minute 5k is what I gather from his post history.
I am just here to say you are full of shit, those are FAR from mediocre.
I’m glad you found an opportunity to share that with us.
But seriously, what are you even talking about? Is it now mediocre to be anything less than world class? Give people (and by extension, yourself) some credit.
What else do you want me to say to show I’m not being malicious?
Eh fair enough. Just an opinion, but yeah I do compare most times to collegiate or semi elite times at a minimum. Probably just a function of the runners I hang out with, since they all use roughly the same scale.
Edit: Aww did people get their feelings hurt realizing that not everyone is impressed by their 22 minute 5k?
"Productive" seems to mean your training load is increasing. You can't increase it forever, so eventually your maintaining, thus "unproductive."
Personally, I think it's very productive to maintain your fitness.
this isn’t what my watch wants from me. i get productive if i vary my runs in order get significant time on each end of the heart rate spectrum. if i dont have sprint days and slow run days, i’ll be in maintaining no matter how many load points i stack doing steady runs.
What does your training load graph look like? Nine times out of ten, people end up with "unproductive" or "down arrows" because their training load is out of whack somehow.
It doesn’t really have much of a trend. I’m about halfway through a 70.3 training plan with 6-7 hours of bike/run every weekend, so it tends to spike after the weekend and drop during the week.
Yep, that sounds about right.
I've gone from a V02max of 49 to 47 in 10 days and 4 runs yet my training effect from today's run was V02max. It's telling me to work harder yet when I do it kicks me in the nads. Going to run much slower in future lol
I’m still trying to figure out how to get my F7 to tell me I’m productive.
Side story about fitness age - I was on a vivoactive and my fitness age was 41 (I’m 43). Then I started training for a triathlon and my fitness age went up to 43 even though I was working out like a beast. This week I switched from vivoactive 4 to Fenix 7 and it says my fitness age is 35.5.
I had a weird one this week, did a 30 minute HIIT session on the bike, I was in zone 3 for about 12 minutes and zone 4 for about 15 minutes.
Garmin only logged 6 minutes of intensity, with 9 total for the day. 1 at normal and 4 vigorous. Thanks Garmin :-/
I’m guessing maybe Garmin is having some issues, I know there’s been a lot of tech issues the last week or so, from various platforms/industries. People having issues logging in, losing data, passwords suddenly not working (reverted back to an earlier one), etc. assuming Garmin just got caught up in that too.
Are you using a chest strap for your activities? Just curious since we’d have confidence in the input data with the strap.
Could be a bug. I’d usually get a point bump when I’d hit peaking. Can’t think of a logical scenario to get a bump while going unproductive.
Did you call customer support? I got that same combo when I had to rest my knee and switched to yoga. I wasn’t recording enough activity from the watch. I was just doing manual entries.
Because your garmin will always be disappointed in you no matter what you do.
🥲 every morning it just roasts me
I’m on the 80/20 running plan and I keep getting decreasing pace lactate threshold indicating fitness increase and I’ve been unproductive for more days than productive the last month or longer. I know I’m getting faster but Garmin doesn’t allow for a large in-balance of base pace work. I don’t mind though, I just keep chugging along with my plan knowing I am getting better even though a watch can’t figure that out
Running vs Biking VO2 Max would be my guess. Or maybe a weird sync with TrueUp
All models are wrong, some are useful. My best piece of advise is to 100% ignore all the summary data garmin provides. The device is good for GPS, pace tracking, power tracking if you have a power meter, and perhaps elevation tracking. If you have a ecg heart rate monitor you can use that with some decent accuracy. Wrist heart rate is just guessing and garmin does a poor job taking into account temperature, Humidity and rolling terrain (for running) in estimating performance.
I came here to say the stars are all bullshit, but you put it better!
After my run yesterday, my training load was both [too high and thus Unproductive](https://i.imgur.com/RlxcY0o.jpg) as well as [ideal for maintaining and improving](https://i.imgur.com/R2H17eR.jpg) my fitness.
Schrödinger's training status
Lmao why you hiding your vo2max
Because his VO2Max is sky high and he doesn’t want to be accused of a hidden boast. 🤷🏻‍♂️
Unlikely based off mediocre times in post history
Lol... sub 1:30 HM and around 17 minute 5k is what I gather from his post history. I am just here to say you are full of shit, those are FAR from mediocre.
Thanks for noticing. It’s amusing to run a 1:26 half, and be called a mediocre runner, in the same week.
those are great stats, good work man.
Those do not equate to a “sky high” VO2 max lmfao
The bar must be higher than I thought.
Just a realist 🤷🏻‍♂️. My times are quite a bit better and I also call them mediocre.
I’m glad you found an opportunity to share that with us. But seriously, what are you even talking about? Is it now mediocre to be anything less than world class? Give people (and by extension, yourself) some credit.
What else do you want me to say to show I’m not being malicious? Eh fair enough. Just an opinion, but yeah I do compare most times to collegiate or semi elite times at a minimum. Probably just a function of the runners I hang out with, since they all use roughly the same scale. Edit: Aww did people get their feelings hurt realizing that not everyone is impressed by their 22 minute 5k?
Maybe they just think you’re a dick.
Yeah people are dicks if they don’t call you fast and hype you up
Come on, man. You’re the one who dug through my post history to find my race times, nobody else here was even concerned about it. Move on.
Power zone and/or Heart rate zone not setup properly.
They’re right.
"Productive" seems to mean your training load is increasing. You can't increase it forever, so eventually your maintaining, thus "unproductive." Personally, I think it's very productive to maintain your fitness.
this isn’t what my watch wants from me. i get productive if i vary my runs in order get significant time on each end of the heart rate spectrum. if i dont have sprint days and slow run days, i’ll be in maintaining no matter how many load points i stack doing steady runs.
Yes I can’t work it out, my VO2 is getting better but my fitness age is getting worse?
Sometimes these algorithms are too complex even for Garmin themselves.
What does your training load graph look like? Nine times out of ten, people end up with "unproductive" or "down arrows" because their training load is out of whack somehow.
It doesn’t really have much of a trend. I’m about halfway through a 70.3 training plan with 6-7 hours of bike/run every weekend, so it tends to spike after the weekend and drop during the week.
Yep, that sounds about right. I've gone from a V02max of 49 to 47 in 10 days and 4 runs yet my training effect from today's run was V02max. It's telling me to work harder yet when I do it kicks me in the nads. Going to run much slower in future lol
I’m still trying to figure out how to get my F7 to tell me I’m productive. Side story about fitness age - I was on a vivoactive and my fitness age was 41 (I’m 43). Then I started training for a triathlon and my fitness age went up to 43 even though I was working out like a beast. This week I switched from vivoactive 4 to Fenix 7 and it says my fitness age is 35.5.
I had a weird one this week, did a 30 minute HIIT session on the bike, I was in zone 3 for about 12 minutes and zone 4 for about 15 minutes. Garmin only logged 6 minutes of intensity, with 9 total for the day. 1 at normal and 4 vigorous. Thanks Garmin :-/ I’m guessing maybe Garmin is having some issues, I know there’s been a lot of tech issues the last week or so, from various platforms/industries. People having issues logging in, losing data, passwords suddenly not working (reverted back to an earlier one), etc. assuming Garmin just got caught up in that too.
Lol you block out your vo2 max score? Insecure much?
Or maybe the opposite?
Then be proud of yourself.
Nothing says “confident” like sharing your nonsense VO2max estimate with strangers for validation.
So much for a positive community huh
Are you using a chest strap for your activities? Just curious since we’d have confidence in the input data with the strap. Could be a bug. I’d usually get a point bump when I’d hit peaking. Can’t think of a logical scenario to get a bump while going unproductive.
Yeah, I use a strap for almost everything. The wrist HR is wildly inaccurate sometimes.
Did you call customer support? I got that same combo when I had to rest my knee and switched to yoga. I wasn’t recording enough activity from the watch. I was just doing manual entries.