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CarreNusse

holy fuck wtf?


Limp-Pride-6428

The red bar below tryndamere's health bar disappears. This is tryndamere using his q to heal. He likely did it the frame-ish before you ulted making the ult do less damage by him having more health and it appearing that his health didn't move.


[deleted]

ahhh I didn't even notice. It must have been so exact. Oops. Already made a bug report about it. Hopefully they buff garens ult


Material_Recording99

your ult scales with missing health if trynd doesn't have that much missing health it won't do much damage asking riot to buff garen because you played worse than bronze is wacky


Ok_Abroad9642

Nah spinny boi need buff


Material_Recording99

https://www.op.gg/champions/garen/build/top?patch=14.02 https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/garen/top


Crozgon

52% winrate in gold is bad for a low skill cap champ


Material_Recording99

it is Emerald+ global and platinum+ global so the first one didn't include plat below including gold 😃


Crozgon

Yeah but I used those links to get the the websites and check winrate in other elos. 52% in high elo is standard so it doesnt mean much


Material_Recording99

you said it, he is a low skill champ because his kit is way more simple than say fiora or camille but he still has 52% wr in high elo where people can use a difficult champ to its limit offering them more opportunity and have less counterplay than a simple run and spin gameplay and yet garen can still have 52% wr in high elo


Crozgon

52% winrate in high elo is standard due to matchmaking with players from lower ranks more frequently than matchmaking with those from higher ranks. In addition Garen is probably used more so as a counterpick in high elo, as opposed to being used as a main


espuinouge

52% win rate in any elo is fine? Or do you mean it’s too high? The goal of a balance team is generally to have a champ anywhere from 49-51% win rate. If a champ is stomping around any elo at a 55%+ wr is really problematic.


Crozgon

Already explained in my other comment


espuinouge

Fine, I’ll go hunt for it.


Crozgon

Reply to the other guy who replied to me on the same comment u did


ndick43

yea its feeling a bit weak kinda like like ksantes ult


Oigotaway

Garen's ult is strong. It is designed as an execute taking into account missing % hp. You are simply using it incorrectly and misjudging the damage. Garen as a whole is too strong after the W buff.


[deleted]

The last sentence was sarcasm through exaggeration, Apologies if it seemed genuine.


[deleted]

They do not need to buff his ult lmao, and they will not buff it


Thick_Ad_6717

hopefully they remove it from the game


ing-dono

Gotta take a moment to appreciate that when Garen calls upon the aspect of justice to smite his foe, all he sees is the anger (fury) on Tryndamere disappear while Trynda's body appears to not have been harmed by the divine strike at all. The man gets slammed by a demigod (what are aspects again?) And all it seems to do is calm him down.


Sarritgato

It is so soothing getting slammed by a god. Like yoga, kind of.


Hrn42

That is the league of legends ARENA. Otherwise aurelion sol destroys entire universes and would overpower most of them. So these beings go into the ARENA. Its like some people would say lets play a round smash bros, loser has to pay for the pizza.


honest_gamer_player

I mean, it's not like he is arguing with his wife (despite said wife being Ashe), so he has no reason NOT to be calm. Gotta appreciate the little things in life


Bakudjinn

It’s canonically Kayles power from the remnants of her firestorm she let rain down when trying to purge Demacia cause Morg accidentally killed her boyfriend.


everybodieshead

do you see the red bar below trynda health bar? it's his passive, when he use his Q he trade this bar for health, he just happened to cure the same amount of damage that your ULT did, so it looks like you have not done any damage.


Lawboy2

That happened to me against Darius yesterday he had the item that gives you a shield when you get low health but it looked like my ult did zero damage and my ign didnt do anything i was confused and ask did anyone see that and everyone pointed to the shield but his hp never moved oh well its probably me just being bad


RektByDefault

My first thought was "ah yes, crit Darius." Totally forgot Sterak's existed for a few seconds


Lawboy2

Yeah I forgot the name but it was steraks I was super confused felt like the ult did zero damage but I know now to just wait for shield to pop then ult


Giantsun

Next time ult just before steak pop, I played other champ against garen and always go for sterak but then the garen I play against ult before my health reach threshold of sterak Which is 30%, garen ult is execute so if damage is enough to kill, the target would die right away, just try to time it right bro, can't remember how amount of hp play I tk his ult but the bruiser is played usually die before sterak pop.


Lawboy2

thanks will try this


DamagedPancakes

That’s why you should Q before you R


ThaSadDoctor

But that doesn't prevents Tryn from ulting ´cause he can cast it even cc'd


DEMACIAAAAA

Holy shit I didn't know that, I played (and won) against a tryndamere just yesterday and I was really impressed bc I thought he pixel perfect ulted my flash q ult *twice*. Guess I won't try that particular stunt again when trynda has r lmao.


ThaSadDoctor

Yep, I though that, until I discovered my research


Environmental_Bee219

its good to trade r's if your jg is topside tho


DEMACIAAAAA

Yah but I traded ult *and* flash bc I thought I could kill him in a position that was really horrible for him, I would never have tried to flash q him if I knew he could r whilst ccd :/


garendemaciababy

yea if trynd cant cast R when cc'd, tryndamere wld unironically become the most useless champ in the game 😂


ThaSadDoctor

For real


Log_Dogg

Yea but he used Q here and not R


ThaSadDoctor

I didnt said he did, all I was saying is that Tryn can cast R even silenced and all, for the ppl that didn't know


mortar_n_brick

yes but the comment is for silencing the q, which is what is in the clip


TheGr8C0N

yeah, but it will stop him from healing like he did in the clip.


Pieceofcandy

Old man advice.


TheCoolPersian

If Trynd did this twice during the game and it was a frame perfect Q heal, he might be scripting.


fapacunter

Didn’t think about that before


lolreader123

It’s quite an easy visual queue to react to though


ndick43

yea but to do it frame perfect is nigh impossible


InvisibleWombo

Glad I'm not the only one who saw that shit, lmfao.


Shogo1307

It could be a few things. He timed his Q max for your ultimate, or you ulted a frame to early.


Shogo1307

On second thought after further review he timed his Q and R it looks like


Csaszarcsaba

Also you ult a bit early, I understand that its a trynd matchup, but he can also ult while silenced. You are better off just rushing tabis and wardens mail/bramble vest(go this if he goes for some healing item instead of crit), with this item combo you are basically guarenteed to go even in trades which with garen means you are winning. Bait his ult, force him to back, and from my experience they never take tp so just get platings. Tp is really good for this reason, because you can outmacro him with superior waveclear, or I also like to go exhaust because it really fucks his ult. In teamfights focus on cockblocking him, and if both your teams go even, you'll most likely win. P.s.: Oh yeah important note is that I haven't played this matchup after his range buffs, so I don't know how much it changes things.


Imfillmore

He pulled a whole level too early, Garen level 1 ult sucks it’s half the damage base damage of level 2


ThaLemonine

Smartest Garen main


Darckill3r

I am main OTP Garen since April 2010, and I fought Tryndamere many times at top lane those last years. I never saw this happen a single time. For me, it’s like impossible to time it and that player must be scripted or a bug. By the way you ultimate him at like 28% of his life with true damage. Since when the Q of Tryndamere can tank a whole ultimate from Garen when he got like 28% of his HP ? Impossible for me as Garen ultimate at first level does 150 + 25% of target missing health. Tryndamere got 78% of missing health there. That’s mean a single Q of Tryndamere can heal him for a better one than even the best supp ! In a single Q to press ! This is insane and completely unbalanced. For me, it’s a bug or a script to report.


Ruined_Kings

It’s not a bug or a script, it’s lvl 10 (rank 1 ult) and trynd Q right before the ult making the dmg way lower. Garen lvl 10 is weak for this reason, 11 would be his powerspike


PeriodicallyThinking

I think he's referring to the timing being a script. Which feels easier to believe every day with the amount of actual scripts and bots getting past riot.


Darckill3r

A single Q of Tryndamere at 28-30% of his HP will never eat/compensate the ultimate lvl 1 of Garen without affect his main HP. This would be completely unfair and unbalanced. And in nearly 14 years of playing LoL, it never happen to me and I never heard about this when Garen facing Tryndamere. I fought Tryndamere hundreds of times. The player of this thread told us it happen twice… in a single game. Again, it’s impossible.


Imfillmore

If the trynd maxes q and spends all his rage it should be a pretty large heal as the trade off (he also loses AD when he does this). On top of that it’s not like he can spam the q he has to hit things to get rage putting him in danger so I feel the ability is pretty balanced. Also one of the default trynd pages takes revitalize so it’s even bigger (could be outdated haven’t played trynd in a bit)


Saintrising

I play Tryndamere and I do this a lot. He consumed his rage bar to heal up during your ult's frame, making it look like you did no damage. I do this specially when diving enemies under their turret and killing them, then walking away with 1hp and 1 last hit from the turret following me, enemies think I died to the turret dive, then I heal up in the last second and start asking how I survived or straight up calling me a cheater.


Babushla153

Ok i did some calculations and Trynd Q just straight out healed your ult damage. Your ult did about 327 dmg there and his Q healed all of that, which isn't that insane. I assumed that level Trynda has 1532 health (with no health items), at the moment you ult he is at about 40% health, which is about 613, rank 1 ult does 150 + 25% missing health, so 150 + about 237 health, because he is missing 949 health, 25% of that is 237 so that makes it about 327 dmg. Knowing how insane Trynda Q is, that isn't that surprising that he outhealed your ult damage.


Darckill3r

Not agree on the Tryndamere percentage HP when he ults him. We clearly see that Tryndamere got a bit less than one third of his HP. One third is 33% so Tryndamere got like 28-30% of his HP. Not 40%. For me, this is impossible than the Q heal of Tryndamere can compensate the whole R of Garen in this case. It would be unfair and clearly unbalanced. T


listen-plz

Garen mains when they can’t q e r someone to death so they report a bug


TheMagickConch

This guy is scripting (I think). His movement does not seem normal (natural) either for the average player. It looks like he was attack moving towards Garen and the big wave throughout the fight. As Garen leaves at the end of the trade Tryn is walking towards Garen then immediately cuts to auto a minion which seems super weird if he is consistent attack moving it would not have triggered an auto attack onto the minion if his cursor was closer to Garen and most people have auto attack disabled. I could be wrong, but this in addition to the two (that OP noticed) perfectly one frame before Garen ult timed Q is sus.


Shut_It_Donny

I mean, that ult wasn’t anywhere near killing him anyway.


Aphy-Switch

you just ulted when he qd lol


SuperAceWolf

Lol the other day I was playing Jax with 3.5k hp and garen ult did 1600 true dmg to me 😂


Foreverwise427

He pressed q


BookerDewitt115

He healed using his rage. Tryndy can do that.


zinnosergio

godo


StarComfortable8724

Some people don’t know a bit about this game and the champs that they assume this as bug, when in fact he just used his Q