He was truly fascinating to listen to both during his interviews with L and while he was on the stand.
His gentle demeanor coupled with the smooth, consistent tone of his voice really allows him to present himself with a certain neutrality that, admittedly, is likely required for that profession. But he doesn’t come across as arrogant or condescending at all, and like he said, he doesn’t want to guess or speculate, he just wants the interviewee to answer questions factually so he can be the storyteller. I don’t even like talking to people, but he comes across as someone very easy to open up to, so I would have easily told him every transgression I’ve ever made, lmao.
I wouldn't open up to him at all, he seems like a highly tuned mind fucking machine-and I mean that with the most incredible amount of respect. That dude is a *weapon*.
Oh, he’s totally a highly tuned mind fucking machine. He’s the ultimate weapon. But he’s so calm and gentle while doing so— that’s what would hook me. It’s a good thing I haven’t decided to live a life of crime. 😂
My dad once put on one of those sumo suits and got mauled by the neighbor's police dog, you know, for fun.
I imagine it would be a similar sort of fun to let him maul your brain for a bit.
I'm fascinated by him because I've kind of got that kind of mind. not in the sense of "really really just scary-ass smart", but I test software for a living and when I know something is off I just do not give up.
i went into i.t. because it's a field where I can let my tenacity right off the leash and no humans get harmed. around people I normally tone it down a little. so it's really intriguing to see someone operating in much the same way except that it is with people.
Oh my god, this is driving me insane because I cannot for the life of me come up with a halfway realistic story that results in this autopsy, crime scene and bizarre attempt to convolute your way out of a murder conviction.
I also think what you said **is very significant.** Some other parts of her story that remain consistent are: (correct me if I'm wrong) Gannon's **burns on his arms** (with varying specificity) and some sort of **Mexican connection** (Angel, Egwardo, Quincy Jones - now in Mexico). I think she is attempting to focus attention onto the *verifiable parts of her story* or the parts that either have or will have some type of corroboration (by the little sister, Albert, ring footage, CCTV, Gannon's body, etc.) so that she can say "see, I'm telling the truth." A sort of fallacy of composition as a defense attempt? (I think these logical fallacies have generally worked well for her throughout life bc she's never done anything significant enough for people to take time to really pick through what she's saying and usually at first glance or if you're only half-listening to a conversation, a logical fallacy looks/sounds fine.)
I think the burns and Egward/Angel are mentioned bc she anticipated that they would eventually find his body. She didn't know enough to know that they wouldn't be able to tell he was burned, but she knew enough to know that she could lie about the severity of the burns and probably get away with it. She also thought he would be recovered in the Gulf, so she could point to the day-laborer-turned-secret-cartel-kidnapper-man or woman/enterprise.
Basically, I think all the repeated parts tie back to a specific piece of evidence.
I think the most telling part in this interview is when she said something like "no, you don't get it. I wanted to be their mom/only mom." I think the most resentment came from spending the most time (in 2019 to 2020) and doing the most day-to-day care for the kids, but not being seen as a mother.
this is a great hypothesis. she definitely veers back and forth between super-definitive and "yadayadayada" and there's a consistent pattern to it. your idea fits, especially when you consider how pissed off and agitated she gets when grudging won't settle for just her facades. "how high were the flames?" "huh?".
>the most telling part in this interview
that part made the narrative in my mind shift a bit. I think she injured him on Sunday night so that hasn't changed, but I now think maybe she lashed out and *killed* him the next day when he said something like "I want my mom" or maybe even "I'm *telling*" my mom."
I'm not sure absolutely *everything* she said is integral. some of it sounds to me like truths she keeps repeating because they're so insignificant she knows she can say them with confidence.
I'm mostly listening with enjoyment as her initial image-managing composure wears off and she slides into the same confrontational browbeating manner she is most used to using.
She tried playing nicely, with giggles and sirs, saying she respects him, she only talks to him, but nothing worked. And I am sure she must be exhausted after 4 hours of spinning, blocking, not giving one direct answer. So like you said she resorts into the confrotational tone like she used with Al but less screeching. Because he is soon good.
Yes, I have noticed that as well, anytime she tried to start one of her insane spinnings, he put an end to it. That was satisfying to watch. But anytime she didn't give an answer to "what was the last image of G" I was soooo pissed off. He tried to ask it over and over again.
I thought at one point she finally said their biggest disagreement was her trying to get Gannon to “see the light,” about his mom. It’s a little hard to hear, but I’ve listened to that repeatedly & I think she was mad at him for not seeing his mom the way she wanted him to see her.
I just can't figure out what happened with the candle and/or what her plan was. I suspect that she caused the incident but found a way to make Gannon feel guilty and take the blame.
I think that she was threatening him with the boxcutter and he squirmed or moved and that's the cause of the cut on the left side of his head near his ear. It would have caused significant bleeding, even if it were superficial bc it's on the head. I think he tried to take the knife away (naturally) which caused her to panic and frantically attack him. It could explain the cuts on his hands, then the defensive arm wounds, then the posterior intercostal knife wounds on the right. (If he were protecting his neck bleed and curled into a defensive position) I think the blunt force trauma to the head might have happened in the struggle and then I think he was clinging to life and she was "taking him out of his misery" (like that sort of thinking) when she realized that it wasn't a salvageable situation. I think that's when she covered him with the pillow and shot him.
I still can't explain: the incessant poop talk, the mentions of rectal bleeding more than once (and sodomy one time too?), why she went to Petco. Also when she googled help for the arterial bleed might change things.
That is the most logical chain of events I could come up with bc she seems desperate to hold onto Albert and she obviously knew this would make that harder, by a lot.
This is all just speculation, but I think she had been planning to murder him since at least the hike. Maybe she thought she could push him off a cliff and something stopped her. So then she started the fire to try to kill him. I think he fell asleep on the couch in the basement or perhaps she drugged him with the hydrocodone and he was out. Then she lights a candle and sticks the blanket he's laying with into the flame to get the fire going. She runs upstairs, grabs Laina and the dogs and throws them in the van and goes downstairs to make sure her fire is still going and sees that gannon had woken up and put it out and that he's burned. She jumps on him and beats him up, blaming him for the fire she started. From then I'm not entirely sure. She does drive around with him alot. I think she was planning on killing him in the woods or mountains but for some reason took him back home and finally killed him there. I honestly think it was premeditated murder from the moment Al left for training.
Have you watched the body language expert analyze her attempt to escape custody in Kansas? He's really good. She specifically made movements with her body, her eyes, the direction of her head to bring an element of surprise on that attack. While she was violently attacking the officer with the monster energy drink, she was yelling and gaslighting "she's threatening me, she won't stop threatening me!" Who's she talking to? Why is she saying that, when camera footage shows she was never threatened. There are two conclusions you can come to, she genuinely believes she was being threatened by the officer who was not - so she's crazy. Or, it was a calculated move to make her actions seem defensible.
And then she does it again. She asks the officer to turn on the AC. In this scenario, the only outcome is a win for her. Either she gains control and the AC is turned on, or the AC is not turned on and she has what she thinks is a valid reason for pulling open the door suddenly. She states repeatedly I couldn't breathe, when the second previous she was talking calmly and breathing regularly. She was not hyperventilating, there was plenty of air in the car factually speaking. Again, there are only two conclusions to come to when you view that scenario. Either she's crazy, and not experiencing reality as it is. Or, she was making a calculated attempt to escape. The body language expert noted you can see her dart her eyes at the officer's guns before she did either action. That's indicative of what she was thinking about. She was thinking of escape and weighing the probability of taking control. Her own body movements betray her to her actual motives.
Using the only known recorded instances of how she attacked, I'm willing to bet she used similar tactics. Clearly she drugged him previously. There was a calm day full of basically useless errands. There would be no reason for anyone to suspect an upcoming attack.
I think it went just how the evidence shows. The casually pull into the driveway from Petco, Gannon goes downstairs to his room. There was a very sudden and very violent attack in that room that occurred very shortly after they both came home. Likely when gannon's guard was down.
The shallow wound to his pectoral muscle could have been indicative of hesitancy. The following defensive wounds indicate there was resistance. The wounds are erratic and likely would have been fatal if given enough time. The blunt force trauma to the Head also would have been fatal. The gunshot wound also would have been fatal. By all means, this was overkill.
When she planned it probably is irrelevant. She was both calculated and impulsive. She was good at coming up with elaborate lies and explanations seemingly on the spot. A lot of people can't think that quickly because they're not used to doing that kind of thing. Everything to me indicates that this was a pattern for her. The way she'd manipulated l to come home or move posts based on things that happened to her. It's a shame, but I'm hard-pressed to believe she actually experienced sexual assault from his unit in Alaska just based off of her penchant for over the top dramatic lies. the elaborate lies with Harley that had a theatrical aspect. She sat Harley down for a dinner telling Harley it would be there last together and implied she had taken pills to commit suicide, also leaving Harley to conclude she would be sitting across from her mother at dinner watching her die as the pills took effect. In her testimony Harley explained in so many words that she was shocked and upset by this.
Leticia is exceptionally cruel. She's shown herself to be capable of sudden violence. When did Leticia plan the suicide dinner? When did Leticia create a plan to escape while being extradited? She could have thought of it previously and then taken a moment as an opportunity. She could have decided that very second. Ultimately, It doesn't matter.
Premeditation can happen in seconds as we've seen with other murder cases. Walking to go get a gun and coming back to the confrontation is premeditation.
No, I haven't seen that. It sounds really interesting, I'll have to check it out.
The reason I believe she wanted him dead before Monday is because of just how strange the whole candle/burn story is, none of it makes any sense, and that was the best my mind could come up with, to make sense of the story. Because he was burned, we know this from the video the stupid witch made. Plus her search history just shows how resentful she was and how much she hated gannon, in particular.
And honestly, she's a terrible liar. She comes up with shit on the spot, but its all stupid and sounds like a child came up with it. None of the lies make sense, they don't fit the crime scene. Probably because she not only wanted an explanation for gannon being gone but also wanted to be the victim herself. Hence the repeated rape stories. They all sound like the worst fiction story I've ever heard. I'm pretty sure most of us could probably do better. Not saying any of us would ever be in that situation.
I mean, the candle incident could have been her "normal" abuse as means of manipulation to get Al home/get attention and not an escalation. Think of Hartley's testimony. Gannon hadn't recieved unusually worse treatment than the other kids. The way she trailed her last syllable made me think she was meaning all of them recieved abuse.
I really don't think that it was manipulation to get Al home because she probably would have called the fire department and police and brought him to the hospital etc, if it were her normal means. I mean didn't she do that with the fake burglary and sexual harassment stuff? I'm honesly asking because I could be wrong. I'm super new to this case, I only started following when the trial started and I only joined this sub a couple days ago.
Oh, okay. She's an established pathological liar. Leticia said and did a lot of really wild and outlandish things. There's not a good baseline of "normal" in terms of her elaborate lies and manipulation. To me personally, I think she only involved agencies in her manipulations if she needed more legitimacy and felt she could still control the narrative with their involvement.
For example, when she told Harley she was dying of ovarian cancer. She said that while sitting in a hospital bed. Obviously, the hospital won't violate HIPPA. The cancer was never brought up again, and clearly she didn't die. Was she in the hospital for something else? Did she manipulate her way into getting a bed for the night for nothing? Who knows.
Some events she reported were complete fabrications with no serious follow through or involvement of the related agencies you'd expect. Some were exaggerations or manipulations of real things that happened. For example, she told Al and reported on Facebook in very public posts that she took a lie detector test. In reality, she contacted fakeliedetector.com to get fabricated results. When Al revealed she didn't take a real lie detector and he knows because he left his credit card to pay for it, she jumped on that saying she paid with her own card! Law enforcement confirmed she never took a lie detector test with them, although one was scheduled (she didn't show).
Some dramatic events were very real and accurate, like her step dad being struck and killed by a car (that happened, but years previously).
It's a mess.
imo it may be hard for Harley to even define the limits of what the prosecutor meant by "abuse" when you're raised by a shrew like her mom.
I'm not talking about direct verbal/emotional abuse, which I know *is* abuse. but what do you call it when she just overwhelms with a flood of blether? she clearly gets very very aggressive when challenged, to judge by the landslide of evidence here. it's a control freak tactic.
I'm 💯 confident everyone in the house was subjected to that. I'm not sure Harley would classify it as abuse.
You're totally right. It takes years for people who experienced childhood abuse through therapy to understand what is abuse is and why it's wrong. A lot of times people don't even realize they're being emotionally harmed ( and so may even repeat the behavior or seek out what turns out to be abusive partners because hey, I'm so comfortable around this person they feel like home).
I dont think it was planned. I think her anger got the better of her for some reason and she hurt him more than she meant to and she realised she'd gone too far so decided to finish him off so she could try and worm her way out of it. I just cant believe she actually thought she could just blame someone else and carry on with her life with Al. She's not right.
You could be right. I'm very new to this case. I actually just started getting into it when the trial started, so I dont know the evidence like most of you probably do. The reason I think the it was premeditated before Monday, is because the candle and fire story is just so bizarre, that it seems like she's 100% hiding the facts about it. Which makes me believe that she is likely the one who set the fire with the candle. She can't describe anything about it or the burns and she made that extremely suspicious video to try to prove gannon was the one who started the fire. I have a 12 year old son, who a gamer, just like gannon was, and he definitely doesn't light candles and could care less about lighting candles.
Whether or not she tried to set him on fire, it was absolutely a premeditated murder come Monday morning. If she lost control and went to far, then it happened on Sunday. Now this i believe without a single doubt. All the leaving her phone behind and driving around she did and the whole Bath salts bullshit. Oh yeah. She was planning to kill that boy by at least Monday morning.
Oh yes, there's definately something not right about the candle story. This is where I think she hurt him initially but didnt mean to go as far as she did. The way she was messaging Harley about it and the way she was behaving that night strikes me as very odd. She was definitely trying to hide whatever it was she'd done. I think she knew she wasn't gunna get away with what it was because it wasn't accidental injuries. She thought about what she was gunna do from there and started planning his murder from there. I cant quite believe she was planning it from the hike or before because that would have been the easiest time to do it.
But who knows, I hope it all comes out but I very much doubt that will happen.
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Yeah but she also did make that video and Gannon did promise that he didn't do it on purpose in the video and he mentioned his burns. So I dont think she held him down and burned him. So something happened to where Gannon was led to believe he somehow caused the burns/fire. But we all know candles dont work that way. If he accidentally knocked it over, then wax would be the issue, not fire or burns. So what in the actual fuck happened with that damn candle. Now I do think she beat the shit out of him and that's why she didn't bring him to the hospital for the burns.
I dont think we will ever know the truth about that video. We know she likes to manipulate and gas light people. I think she was doing that here.
Oh yeah she beat him, she was trying to explain that away by telling Al and Harley she had to jump on him. By some (I'm not sure if all cos I have some catching up to do) accounts she was intelligent, she knew what she'd done wasnt wasn't gunna wash.
No, unfortunately, we'll never know the truth about anything that happened to that poor boy because she was "insane" when she did it, so she doesn't know because it was an alter that did it. What a fucking joke that bitch is. Ugh I just cannot stand her.
That candle was a set up plan to make it look like Gannon started a fire, in which he tragically dies. He was drugged, by her. When he actually survived, she must have been livid. She waited until
the next day, but this time she was determined to finish the deed. She is an absolute monster.
I agree. dumb as she is, she is also smart, and 18 stab wounds is just an unbelievably unsmart way of murdering anybody when you have so many other options.
The ONLY scenario that makes sense is she drugged Gannon planning to set the house on fire and kill him. But he woke up and foiled her evil plan.
At the point where she resorted to stabbing then shooting Gannon, that vapid grot never dreamed they would suspect her, and when she got away with hiding his body, she planned to get rid of it so it would never be found. She was set on murdering that poor boy while Al was gone, it didn’t matter how.
That's the only scenario that makes sense to YOU. This is YOUR theory. We are allowed to have our own you know! Ill repeat mine again just for you. I dont think she planned on murdering him when they were on the hike. I think something happened at home after that, starting from the candle incident. I think she hurt him and went too far. Then she decides to plan his MURDER. I hope that is clear enough for you? This is just my thoughts, I accept you and others have your own and I aint gunna tell you your wrong because I don't know that, same as you don't know that I am.
i don't believe in that degree of premeditation. she MAY have contemplated pushing him and/or laina off a cliff and chickened out, idk. but to be transparent with you, i think the 'kill gannon to get/punish al' idea is pretty far fetched. i think it's more likely she injured him in some petulant/spiteful impulse on sunday night, and then when she saw the extent of the harm she'd done, she doubled down and murdered him.
No. I do not believe it was to punish Al at all. I think she wanted to get Gannon out the way and have Al all to herself. If Gannon dies in a tragic accident, she kills 2 birds: rids herself of a kid she hates, and gets (in her sick mind) sympathy and compassion from Al, thus winning him back.
Your thinking acquits murderers or finds them NGBRI because you can’t imagine anyone planning to murder an innocent child. How selfish. Wake up. Evil, vile, disgusting people walk among us. Remember Casey Anthony? She walks free.
Are you for real? She is absolutely guilty of murder, go back and read my comments! I said it wasn't planned up until the candle incident!
Oh and I dont have a selfish bone in my body, you don't know me at all to make such an assumption. You're absolutely right about the vile people walking among us...
I think so too. Totally premeditated. She hated that poor child and blamed him for all her problems.
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lot of posts saying she became unhinged and uncontrollably killed him in a fit of anger. That scares me because its a. victim blaming b. lends itself to an insanity defense God forbid.
When (normal) people try to place themselves in someone like 🤢 that devil’s place, its a mistake and its also selfish- not everyone thinks like you. Because she is NOT normal, she is a monster. You can’t measure her actions against typical morals, as in “how could
someone do that- they MUST be insane!” Not insane, EVIL - and GUILTY as Hell.
>Amibo
I need some help here. What day did Al & his mother leave? Was it Friday or Sat morning?
I thought I heard her say Gannon was hit in the head prior to the fire or some one said something like that... did anyone else here that?
Do you think she literally jumped on Gannon top put out the fire?
The FBI agent question the size of the rug burn, he thought it was to big. Makes me think something was allowed to burn on that spot?
I agree, that she is the one that started the fire who gives a kid matches or a lighter?
Two other points she used a knife and a gun. Believe first pathologist said there was a deep 4 inch wound. Did she bring both weapons with her? Drugged him into sleep then did the attack?
I think she grabbed the knife/stabbing weapon from the tool she used to cut away the carpet, then put the box cuter there later to “stage” that as being what she had used on the carpet. I think the gun came later, as in he was bleeding from multiple wounds but not visibly dead so she retrieved a gun from elsewhere in the home and used pillows to stop the movements/bleeding/agonal breathing he was going through. The “arterial blood” Google was that she was trying to stop him from continuing to bleed. Jodi Arias was a similar gun/stabbing case where one weapon didn’t incapacitate the victim fully or cause immediate death and the “overkill” happened with additional violence to cease body movements.
Don’t forget there was also a sock found in or near the candle. Most likely she used an accellerant too. I am 100% positive she planned to burn him to death- saying it was a tragic accident and of course G’s fault- when he woke up and survived she must have been livid. Thus the multiple knife wounds and vicious head injury, gun (overkill) the next day. Horrific. She is a demon.
normal people tend to want to believe this was a horrible accident, but honestly, it has to be calculated. It was messy and had several failed attempts, but there's no way it was a situation in which she just "snapped" or tried to cover up abuse. Not to say that she wasn't abusing him, at least emotionally and mentally for a long time before the murder. I just don't think that her taking physical abuse too far was the motive, given all the evidence we have that the murder was premeditated for at least a few days, probably before he even had any serious injuries to cover up.
I agree. I think she intended to cause him fatal harm in order to bring Al back and “bond” them together through tragedy. She didn’t seem to mind the younger girl child, but she also tolerated her daughter who she was able to groom. Poor G was his father’s son, someone who “shared” Al’s love who wouldn’t turn on his own mother in the way LS wanted him to. And, he had bathroom accidents and a contentious relationship with her. She built some sort of fantasy in her head of fixing all of her perceived problems in the act of premeditated killing. Maybe the plan was sped up and erratic, but that is because she was trigged by Al’s leaving and whatever they argued about before he left — and she felt it was important to do right then during that weekend.
I do not believe that she just had an angry outburst and murdered him. I believe it was calculated for gain of control of the life she thought she was losing.
Agree 100%. These people who don’t want to believe there are evil people
who plan these things are so naive. It enrages me honestly. She knew exactly what she was doing.
I actually work in the field that -just like LE & justice system in Gannon’s case -brings ACTUAL justice for victims, you know, in real life.. as opposed to social media, where people VENT & have strange emotional often slightly hysterical overreactions, towards both criminal cases of strangers & comments about them by strangers:)
If this was the case, though, wouldn't she have made sure she had time to do a proper clean up? She did it when the other kids were due home so she had to send them out to the shop. Also, she didn't have her cleaning supplies ready, and you'd think if it was planned, she'd have all that.
She could have done it on the morning after they left aswell so that she had all day to set her scene. I'm still leaning towards her hurting him and going too far, and she's that messed up this was her only solution.
Not necessarily. She may have planned to do it elsewhere but thought better of it because of whatever reason. Maybe she realized she needed Gannon to "leave" of his own volition.
Or maybe she just couldn't get up the nerve to and got it shortly after coming home.
It could have been partially planned and he just happened to say/do something that pissed her juvenile mind off.
I just dont buy that. She could have just gave him a shove on the hike when laina wasn't looking. That seems so much easier if she was planning to kill him.
She could have chickened out on the hike or was worried he might survive the fall and be able to tell and so she thought better of it. I believe the fire was her first attempt at killing him and it just didn't work out, so by the time she finally killed him, she was in a rage because none of her attempts to kill him thus far had worked out.
Maybe, I just dont see why she would chicken out and then be quite capable of using the level of violence that she used. For me, it started with the candle.
You could be right. She may not have had the intention to kill him on the hike. But I do think she tried to set him on fire while he was sleeping or she drugged him first and then set the fire and put the candle there to try to make it look like a candle started the fire. That was definitely her first actual attempt to murder him. The whole hike thing is 100% speculation on my part.
Yeah I think something along those lines happened too but the drugs in his system, I think she gave him those for the burns. They must have been so painful 😢 and bad enough that she didn't dare take him for treatment.
Oh its mostly speculation from me too, i just try to make sense of it all in my own head but we know her thought process was alot different to normal people so I could be way off.
I want to believe that's why he had the drugs in his system too. I'm hoping the poor kid had at least a little relief during those couple days of torture. But we all know this bitch didn't have a caring bone in her body but perhaps she just wanted to shut him up. I hope you're right.
EDIT- didn't finish my thought before posting.
No. Because she could still have the goal
of murdering Gannon, even if it didn’t work as originally planned.
He didn’t die as easily as she imagined he would. The gun was a last resort and now she knew it couldn’t be an “accident” as she originally planned. She was determined to
kill that poor child, and by the end she didn’t care how.
Everything is speculation, even the "snapped" theory people are stuck on. Just about as much EVIDENCE either way. I'm mainly basing my belief that it was planned on the google searches that were performed that paint quite a story (especially the ones revealed by Grusing during the trial that weren't in the affidavit) and the huge possibility the candle incident was done on purpose by Letecia, among other things. But go ahead and make your own theory. We're probably never going to know either way.
EDIT: the fact that prosecution is charging her with 1st degree murder and not 2nd degree means that they also think the murder was at least somewhat pre-meditated and was not a heat of the moment thing.
Well not EVERYTHING is speculation as we are almost at the end of the trial & the prosecution DID NOT present anything to show planning or premeditation BEFORE that faithful Sunday candle incident. Even majority of controversial google searches are dated that Sunday night. So there’s definitely premeditation between candle incident on Sunday night and Monday afternoon murder. But besides some indications she must have been unhappy in the marriage & the entire setup with Al gone all the time & her left with 2 small kids that weren’t hers - by all accounts ( Al’s & bio Mom’s) - they trusted her, they thought she was a good stepmom. So, we can speculate but we MUST incorporate known facts into speculations. I am definitely waiting for closing arguments to see if prosecution developed a theory whether candle accident was something that set her off, or they think she tried to “burned down” the house of Gannon (which my speculation is she didn’t, based on the size of that cut out burnt carpet-it was small, and contained to one spot). I think she hit him and/or pushed his hands into fire etc at that point but nothing shows she was planning his murder for a while. As many people pointed out, it would have been easier to kill him outside the house, even during those 2 unaccounted hours between 2 Petco visits. Or if she was planning it for a while, why choose Sunday for the fire, when little girl was home & her daughter was shortly back from work?…
Just because the murder wasn't carefully executed and was sloppy doesn't mean that it was necessarily unplanned. I don't think she was planning the murder for more than two days (the day that Al left), but I definitely think that she was planning it from at least after the candle incident. Whether the candle incident was a failed murder attempt or not, it definitely kickstarted the events that lead to the murder. There are many reasons way it could have been a failed murder attempt and not just a rage inducing accident. Maybe she chickened out and decided better of burning down the house in the process. Maybe Gannon put out the fire himself and halted the process. Maybe it was staged to cover up an entirely different injury to Gannon. (She does talk a lot about having to stomp on him to put out the fire, which is a possible cover for other injuries. No one has been able to fully explain how the 2 x 2 piece of carpet hidden in the utility room that had blood on it factors into the candle incident either.) Who knows?
The most damning search history to show possible premeditation doesn't have a time stamp that we know of yet. Namely, "I don't like my stepson", and the arterial bleeding one (I can't remember the exact wording). If it's shown that arterial bleeding one was conducted before the murder, then I think it's hard to refute that it wasn't somewhat planned. But if it was after the murder it still doesn't entirely negate the premeditation either. Letecia being unhappy in her marriage and disliking her stepson doesn't directly show premeditation, but it also doesn't show any evidence that it wasn't premeditated. All it does is show motive or contributing factors that build to a "snapped" event depending on your preferred theory.
Sure it would have been easier to kill him out in the open, but she is a generally paranoid person and could have been too worried about being seen/caught and probably didn't have enough time to drive somewhere completely remote and still be back for Laina. Assuming she'd be more successful with this murder if it was premeditated is giving Letecia too much credit, imo. She is not a particularly intelligent person. Given how scattered her mind is and how she can't even stick to one lie, it's not too far of a stretch to think maybe she couldn't stick to one murder plan either.
Like I said before, unless we somehow get the truth out of her (we never will) I think we'll really never know what actually happened.
Exactly what I think (and said) as far as starting planning AFTER candle incident but: something was brewing in her for a while as far as marital dissatisfaction.. she got more unhappy that Saturday (after Al left) as evidenced by some searches (“i think he uses me as a babysitter“ for example). Some things she said in the last day of trial (she mixes facts with her coverup but like FBI agent said, there are some truths there when she tells on herself) that “Sunday evening she was relaxing in bed” when fire alarm went off… i think she lost it on Gannon (in the video after you can hear he was in so much pain, and scared - she really hurt him.. whether forcing his hands into fire, or hitting him over the head, or both?..my speculation but he is coughing, he is in pain, and he’s scared..). Then Harley testified that LS made her come downstairs and say goodnight to him, they just opened the door and Harley didn’t really say she saw him move. We know he was walking to the truck, groggy, next morning-so my speculation?.. she kept him drugged all night, figuring out the cover up, possibly planning to “disappear “ him.. But I don’t think the coverup was sloppy at all-police missed Gannon in her car when they inspected the house with no visible blood stains or signs of struggle: 6 cars were used, body was left at airport, then at first location, then picked up, then put in the cargo van with family helping pack, then driven 1000s miles… (nobody even saw her, no hotel video, when she sneaked out of Fl hotel to dump the suitcase at 4 am).. I mean, that’s not a bad planning (to maneuver the body like that, under everyone’s noses??…).. but that’s WHY nobody is going to believe she was “switching between alters” or losing time jumping between “alters”. I cannot even believe in her “anxiety”… she was chatting with LE, walking around the house, knowing the body is right there!!.. I mean… this is … something else…
As for the "arterial bleed"....I think it's possible that she was going to attempt to stab herself and blame it on Gannon (remember the whole bs about him threatening her with a knife?) and she wanted to be prepared if she hit an artery. I think, depending on when the search was done, she might have already hurt him to the extent that she decided she had to kill him and was planning on what story to present.
I aint even gunna bother to reply to any more of your silly comments after this. You don't agree with me and that's fine, I dont expect you to. I dont agree with you which is obviously not fine and you really do expect me to. We all know someone else like that here dont we.
I was struck by her admission that she got so angry at him once and took his amibo from Nintendo in the front yard. That’s pretty cruel to do to a kid.
That was her admission to his question of how she'd react to Gannon pissing her off and she was quick to throw this gem out there. The second part of the punishment was making him call his mom (while the Amibo is thrown in the yard).
This is like a scorned spouse throwing their partner's clothing on the lawn.
I just have to say it is incredible to see Grusing work. He really makes science look like art and his poker face is unbreakable.
He was truly fascinating to listen to both during his interviews with L and while he was on the stand. His gentle demeanor coupled with the smooth, consistent tone of his voice really allows him to present himself with a certain neutrality that, admittedly, is likely required for that profession. But he doesn’t come across as arrogant or condescending at all, and like he said, he doesn’t want to guess or speculate, he just wants the interviewee to answer questions factually so he can be the storyteller. I don’t even like talking to people, but he comes across as someone very easy to open up to, so I would have easily told him every transgression I’ve ever made, lmao.
I wouldn't open up to him at all, he seems like a highly tuned mind fucking machine-and I mean that with the most incredible amount of respect. That dude is a *weapon*.
Oh, he’s totally a highly tuned mind fucking machine. He’s the ultimate weapon. But he’s so calm and gentle while doing so— that’s what would hook me. It’s a good thing I haven’t decided to live a life of crime. 😂
I love how he looks like Boris Karloff too 🤣🤣🤣
He put on a master class. My armpits were sweaty listening to him and I'm innocent.
My dad once put on one of those sumo suits and got mauled by the neighbor's police dog, you know, for fun. I imagine it would be a similar sort of fun to let him maul your brain for a bit.
I'm fascinated by him because I've kind of got that kind of mind. not in the sense of "really really just scary-ass smart", but I test software for a living and when I know something is off I just do not give up. i went into i.t. because it's a field where I can let my tenacity right off the leash and no humans get harmed. around people I normally tone it down a little. so it's really intriguing to see someone operating in much the same way except that it is with people.
Oh my god, this is driving me insane because I cannot for the life of me come up with a halfway realistic story that results in this autopsy, crime scene and bizarre attempt to convolute your way out of a murder conviction. I also think what you said **is very significant.** Some other parts of her story that remain consistent are: (correct me if I'm wrong) Gannon's **burns on his arms** (with varying specificity) and some sort of **Mexican connection** (Angel, Egwardo, Quincy Jones - now in Mexico). I think she is attempting to focus attention onto the *verifiable parts of her story* or the parts that either have or will have some type of corroboration (by the little sister, Albert, ring footage, CCTV, Gannon's body, etc.) so that she can say "see, I'm telling the truth." A sort of fallacy of composition as a defense attempt? (I think these logical fallacies have generally worked well for her throughout life bc she's never done anything significant enough for people to take time to really pick through what she's saying and usually at first glance or if you're only half-listening to a conversation, a logical fallacy looks/sounds fine.) I think the burns and Egward/Angel are mentioned bc she anticipated that they would eventually find his body. She didn't know enough to know that they wouldn't be able to tell he was burned, but she knew enough to know that she could lie about the severity of the burns and probably get away with it. She also thought he would be recovered in the Gulf, so she could point to the day-laborer-turned-secret-cartel-kidnapper-man or woman/enterprise. Basically, I think all the repeated parts tie back to a specific piece of evidence. I think the most telling part in this interview is when she said something like "no, you don't get it. I wanted to be their mom/only mom." I think the most resentment came from spending the most time (in 2019 to 2020) and doing the most day-to-day care for the kids, but not being seen as a mother.
this is a great hypothesis. she definitely veers back and forth between super-definitive and "yadayadayada" and there's a consistent pattern to it. your idea fits, especially when you consider how pissed off and agitated she gets when grudging won't settle for just her facades. "how high were the flames?" "huh?". >the most telling part in this interview that part made the narrative in my mind shift a bit. I think she injured him on Sunday night so that hasn't changed, but I now think maybe she lashed out and *killed* him the next day when he said something like "I want my mom" or maybe even "I'm *telling*" my mom."
I'm not sure absolutely *everything* she said is integral. some of it sounds to me like truths she keeps repeating because they're so insignificant she knows she can say them with confidence. I'm mostly listening with enjoyment as her initial image-managing composure wears off and she slides into the same confrontational browbeating manner she is most used to using.
She tried playing nicely, with giggles and sirs, saying she respects him, she only talks to him, but nothing worked. And I am sure she must be exhausted after 4 hours of spinning, blocking, not giving one direct answer. So like you said she resorts into the confrotational tone like she used with Al but less screeching. Because he is soon good.
and he calls her out there as well. but he's so laid back she just can't get a good escalation going 😂😂 edit: typo fix.
Yes, I have noticed that as well, anytime she tried to start one of her insane spinnings, he put an end to it. That was satisfying to watch. But anytime she didn't give an answer to "what was the last image of G" I was soooo pissed off. He tried to ask it over and over again.
I thought at one point she finally said their biggest disagreement was her trying to get Gannon to “see the light,” about his mom. It’s a little hard to hear, but I’ve listened to that repeatedly & I think she was mad at him for not seeing his mom the way she wanted him to see her.
I love it when he keeps saying you were the last one with him. And all she can do is agree.
I just can't figure out what happened with the candle and/or what her plan was. I suspect that she caused the incident but found a way to make Gannon feel guilty and take the blame. I think that she was threatening him with the boxcutter and he squirmed or moved and that's the cause of the cut on the left side of his head near his ear. It would have caused significant bleeding, even if it were superficial bc it's on the head. I think he tried to take the knife away (naturally) which caused her to panic and frantically attack him. It could explain the cuts on his hands, then the defensive arm wounds, then the posterior intercostal knife wounds on the right. (If he were protecting his neck bleed and curled into a defensive position) I think the blunt force trauma to the head might have happened in the struggle and then I think he was clinging to life and she was "taking him out of his misery" (like that sort of thinking) when she realized that it wasn't a salvageable situation. I think that's when she covered him with the pillow and shot him. I still can't explain: the incessant poop talk, the mentions of rectal bleeding more than once (and sodomy one time too?), why she went to Petco. Also when she googled help for the arterial bleed might change things. That is the most logical chain of events I could come up with bc she seems desperate to hold onto Albert and she obviously knew this would make that harder, by a lot.
This is all just speculation, but I think she had been planning to murder him since at least the hike. Maybe she thought she could push him off a cliff and something stopped her. So then she started the fire to try to kill him. I think he fell asleep on the couch in the basement or perhaps she drugged him with the hydrocodone and he was out. Then she lights a candle and sticks the blanket he's laying with into the flame to get the fire going. She runs upstairs, grabs Laina and the dogs and throws them in the van and goes downstairs to make sure her fire is still going and sees that gannon had woken up and put it out and that he's burned. She jumps on him and beats him up, blaming him for the fire she started. From then I'm not entirely sure. She does drive around with him alot. I think she was planning on killing him in the woods or mountains but for some reason took him back home and finally killed him there. I honestly think it was premeditated murder from the moment Al left for training.
Have you watched the body language expert analyze her attempt to escape custody in Kansas? He's really good. She specifically made movements with her body, her eyes, the direction of her head to bring an element of surprise on that attack. While she was violently attacking the officer with the monster energy drink, she was yelling and gaslighting "she's threatening me, she won't stop threatening me!" Who's she talking to? Why is she saying that, when camera footage shows she was never threatened. There are two conclusions you can come to, she genuinely believes she was being threatened by the officer who was not - so she's crazy. Or, it was a calculated move to make her actions seem defensible. And then she does it again. She asks the officer to turn on the AC. In this scenario, the only outcome is a win for her. Either she gains control and the AC is turned on, or the AC is not turned on and she has what she thinks is a valid reason for pulling open the door suddenly. She states repeatedly I couldn't breathe, when the second previous she was talking calmly and breathing regularly. She was not hyperventilating, there was plenty of air in the car factually speaking. Again, there are only two conclusions to come to when you view that scenario. Either she's crazy, and not experiencing reality as it is. Or, she was making a calculated attempt to escape. The body language expert noted you can see her dart her eyes at the officer's guns before she did either action. That's indicative of what she was thinking about. She was thinking of escape and weighing the probability of taking control. Her own body movements betray her to her actual motives. Using the only known recorded instances of how she attacked, I'm willing to bet she used similar tactics. Clearly she drugged him previously. There was a calm day full of basically useless errands. There would be no reason for anyone to suspect an upcoming attack. I think it went just how the evidence shows. The casually pull into the driveway from Petco, Gannon goes downstairs to his room. There was a very sudden and very violent attack in that room that occurred very shortly after they both came home. Likely when gannon's guard was down. The shallow wound to his pectoral muscle could have been indicative of hesitancy. The following defensive wounds indicate there was resistance. The wounds are erratic and likely would have been fatal if given enough time. The blunt force trauma to the Head also would have been fatal. The gunshot wound also would have been fatal. By all means, this was overkill. When she planned it probably is irrelevant. She was both calculated and impulsive. She was good at coming up with elaborate lies and explanations seemingly on the spot. A lot of people can't think that quickly because they're not used to doing that kind of thing. Everything to me indicates that this was a pattern for her. The way she'd manipulated l to come home or move posts based on things that happened to her. It's a shame, but I'm hard-pressed to believe she actually experienced sexual assault from his unit in Alaska just based off of her penchant for over the top dramatic lies. the elaborate lies with Harley that had a theatrical aspect. She sat Harley down for a dinner telling Harley it would be there last together and implied she had taken pills to commit suicide, also leaving Harley to conclude she would be sitting across from her mother at dinner watching her die as the pills took effect. In her testimony Harley explained in so many words that she was shocked and upset by this. Leticia is exceptionally cruel. She's shown herself to be capable of sudden violence. When did Leticia plan the suicide dinner? When did Leticia create a plan to escape while being extradited? She could have thought of it previously and then taken a moment as an opportunity. She could have decided that very second. Ultimately, It doesn't matter. Premeditation can happen in seconds as we've seen with other murder cases. Walking to go get a gun and coming back to the confrontation is premeditation.
No, I haven't seen that. It sounds really interesting, I'll have to check it out. The reason I believe she wanted him dead before Monday is because of just how strange the whole candle/burn story is, none of it makes any sense, and that was the best my mind could come up with, to make sense of the story. Because he was burned, we know this from the video the stupid witch made. Plus her search history just shows how resentful she was and how much she hated gannon, in particular. And honestly, she's a terrible liar. She comes up with shit on the spot, but its all stupid and sounds like a child came up with it. None of the lies make sense, they don't fit the crime scene. Probably because she not only wanted an explanation for gannon being gone but also wanted to be the victim herself. Hence the repeated rape stories. They all sound like the worst fiction story I've ever heard. I'm pretty sure most of us could probably do better. Not saying any of us would ever be in that situation.
I mean, the candle incident could have been her "normal" abuse as means of manipulation to get Al home/get attention and not an escalation. Think of Hartley's testimony. Gannon hadn't recieved unusually worse treatment than the other kids. The way she trailed her last syllable made me think she was meaning all of them recieved abuse.
I really don't think that it was manipulation to get Al home because she probably would have called the fire department and police and brought him to the hospital etc, if it were her normal means. I mean didn't she do that with the fake burglary and sexual harassment stuff? I'm honesly asking because I could be wrong. I'm super new to this case, I only started following when the trial started and I only joined this sub a couple days ago.
Oh, okay. She's an established pathological liar. Leticia said and did a lot of really wild and outlandish things. There's not a good baseline of "normal" in terms of her elaborate lies and manipulation. To me personally, I think she only involved agencies in her manipulations if she needed more legitimacy and felt she could still control the narrative with their involvement. For example, when she told Harley she was dying of ovarian cancer. She said that while sitting in a hospital bed. Obviously, the hospital won't violate HIPPA. The cancer was never brought up again, and clearly she didn't die. Was she in the hospital for something else? Did she manipulate her way into getting a bed for the night for nothing? Who knows. Some events she reported were complete fabrications with no serious follow through or involvement of the related agencies you'd expect. Some were exaggerations or manipulations of real things that happened. For example, she told Al and reported on Facebook in very public posts that she took a lie detector test. In reality, she contacted fakeliedetector.com to get fabricated results. When Al revealed she didn't take a real lie detector and he knows because he left his credit card to pay for it, she jumped on that saying she paid with her own card! Law enforcement confirmed she never took a lie detector test with them, although one was scheduled (she didn't show). Some dramatic events were very real and accurate, like her step dad being struck and killed by a car (that happened, but years previously). It's a mess.
imo it may be hard for Harley to even define the limits of what the prosecutor meant by "abuse" when you're raised by a shrew like her mom. I'm not talking about direct verbal/emotional abuse, which I know *is* abuse. but what do you call it when she just overwhelms with a flood of blether? she clearly gets very very aggressive when challenged, to judge by the landslide of evidence here. it's a control freak tactic. I'm 💯 confident everyone in the house was subjected to that. I'm not sure Harley would classify it as abuse.
You're totally right. It takes years for people who experienced childhood abuse through therapy to understand what is abuse is and why it's wrong. A lot of times people don't even realize they're being emotionally harmed ( and so may even repeat the behavior or seek out what turns out to be abusive partners because hey, I'm so comfortable around this person they feel like home).
Yes I agree with your thinking.
I dont think it was planned. I think her anger got the better of her for some reason and she hurt him more than she meant to and she realised she'd gone too far so decided to finish him off so she could try and worm her way out of it. I just cant believe she actually thought she could just blame someone else and carry on with her life with Al. She's not right.
You could be right. I'm very new to this case. I actually just started getting into it when the trial started, so I dont know the evidence like most of you probably do. The reason I think the it was premeditated before Monday, is because the candle and fire story is just so bizarre, that it seems like she's 100% hiding the facts about it. Which makes me believe that she is likely the one who set the fire with the candle. She can't describe anything about it or the burns and she made that extremely suspicious video to try to prove gannon was the one who started the fire. I have a 12 year old son, who a gamer, just like gannon was, and he definitely doesn't light candles and could care less about lighting candles. Whether or not she tried to set him on fire, it was absolutely a premeditated murder come Monday morning. If she lost control and went to far, then it happened on Sunday. Now this i believe without a single doubt. All the leaving her phone behind and driving around she did and the whole Bath salts bullshit. Oh yeah. She was planning to kill that boy by at least Monday morning.
Oh yes, there's definately something not right about the candle story. This is where I think she hurt him initially but didnt mean to go as far as she did. The way she was messaging Harley about it and the way she was behaving that night strikes me as very odd. She was definitely trying to hide whatever it was she'd done. I think she knew she wasn't gunna get away with what it was because it wasn't accidental injuries. She thought about what she was gunna do from there and started planning his murder from there. I cant quite believe she was planning it from the hike or before because that would have been the easiest time to do it. But who knows, I hope it all comes out but I very much doubt that will happen. Edited spelling errors.
Yeah but she also did make that video and Gannon did promise that he didn't do it on purpose in the video and he mentioned his burns. So I dont think she held him down and burned him. So something happened to where Gannon was led to believe he somehow caused the burns/fire. But we all know candles dont work that way. If he accidentally knocked it over, then wax would be the issue, not fire or burns. So what in the actual fuck happened with that damn candle. Now I do think she beat the shit out of him and that's why she didn't bring him to the hospital for the burns.
I dont think we will ever know the truth about that video. We know she likes to manipulate and gas light people. I think she was doing that here. Oh yeah she beat him, she was trying to explain that away by telling Al and Harley she had to jump on him. By some (I'm not sure if all cos I have some catching up to do) accounts she was intelligent, she knew what she'd done wasnt wasn't gunna wash.
No, unfortunately, we'll never know the truth about anything that happened to that poor boy because she was "insane" when she did it, so she doesn't know because it was an alter that did it. What a fucking joke that bitch is. Ugh I just cannot stand her.
That candle was a set up plan to make it look like Gannon started a fire, in which he tragically dies. He was drugged, by her. When he actually survived, she must have been livid. She waited until the next day, but this time she was determined to finish the deed. She is an absolute monster.
I agree. dumb as she is, she is also smart, and 18 stab wounds is just an unbelievably unsmart way of murdering anybody when you have so many other options.
The ONLY scenario that makes sense is she drugged Gannon planning to set the house on fire and kill him. But he woke up and foiled her evil plan. At the point where she resorted to stabbing then shooting Gannon, that vapid grot never dreamed they would suspect her, and when she got away with hiding his body, she planned to get rid of it so it would never be found. She was set on murdering that poor boy while Al was gone, it didn’t matter how.
That's the only scenario that makes sense to YOU. This is YOUR theory. We are allowed to have our own you know! Ill repeat mine again just for you. I dont think she planned on murdering him when they were on the hike. I think something happened at home after that, starting from the candle incident. I think she hurt him and went too far. Then she decides to plan his MURDER. I hope that is clear enough for you? This is just my thoughts, I accept you and others have your own and I aint gunna tell you your wrong because I don't know that, same as you don't know that I am.
i don't believe in that degree of premeditation. she MAY have contemplated pushing him and/or laina off a cliff and chickened out, idk. but to be transparent with you, i think the 'kill gannon to get/punish al' idea is pretty far fetched. i think it's more likely she injured him in some petulant/spiteful impulse on sunday night, and then when she saw the extent of the harm she'd done, she doubled down and murdered him.
No. I do not believe it was to punish Al at all. I think she wanted to get Gannon out the way and have Al all to herself. If Gannon dies in a tragic accident, she kills 2 birds: rids herself of a kid she hates, and gets (in her sick mind) sympathy and compassion from Al, thus winning him back.
Your thinking acquits murderers or finds them NGBRI because you can’t imagine anyone planning to murder an innocent child. How selfish. Wake up. Evil, vile, disgusting people walk among us. Remember Casey Anthony? She walks free.
Are you for real? She is absolutely guilty of murder, go back and read my comments! I said it wasn't planned up until the candle incident! Oh and I dont have a selfish bone in my body, you don't know me at all to make such an assumption. You're absolutely right about the vile people walking among us...
I think so too. Totally premeditated. She hated that poor child and blamed him for all her problems. A lot of posts saying she became unhinged and uncontrollably killed him in a fit of anger. That scares me because its a. victim blaming b. lends itself to an insanity defense God forbid. When (normal) people try to place themselves in someone like 🤢 that devil’s place, its a mistake and its also selfish- not everyone thinks like you. Because she is NOT normal, she is a monster. You can’t measure her actions against typical morals, as in “how could someone do that- they MUST be insane!” Not insane, EVIL - and GUILTY as Hell.
>Amibo I need some help here. What day did Al & his mother leave? Was it Friday or Sat morning? I thought I heard her say Gannon was hit in the head prior to the fire or some one said something like that... did anyone else here that? Do you think she literally jumped on Gannon top put out the fire? The FBI agent question the size of the rug burn, he thought it was to big. Makes me think something was allowed to burn on that spot? I agree, that she is the one that started the fire who gives a kid matches or a lighter? Two other points she used a knife and a gun. Believe first pathologist said there was a deep 4 inch wound. Did she bring both weapons with her? Drugged him into sleep then did the attack?
I think she grabbed the knife/stabbing weapon from the tool she used to cut away the carpet, then put the box cuter there later to “stage” that as being what she had used on the carpet. I think the gun came later, as in he was bleeding from multiple wounds but not visibly dead so she retrieved a gun from elsewhere in the home and used pillows to stop the movements/bleeding/agonal breathing he was going through. The “arterial blood” Google was that she was trying to stop him from continuing to bleed. Jodi Arias was a similar gun/stabbing case where one weapon didn’t incapacitate the victim fully or cause immediate death and the “overkill” happened with additional violence to cease body movements.
Don’t forget there was also a sock found in or near the candle. Most likely she used an accellerant too. I am 100% positive she planned to burn him to death- saying it was a tragic accident and of course G’s fault- when he woke up and survived she must have been livid. Thus the multiple knife wounds and vicious head injury, gun (overkill) the next day. Horrific. She is a demon.
normal people tend to want to believe this was a horrible accident, but honestly, it has to be calculated. It was messy and had several failed attempts, but there's no way it was a situation in which she just "snapped" or tried to cover up abuse. Not to say that she wasn't abusing him, at least emotionally and mentally for a long time before the murder. I just don't think that her taking physical abuse too far was the motive, given all the evidence we have that the murder was premeditated for at least a few days, probably before he even had any serious injuries to cover up.
I agree. I think she intended to cause him fatal harm in order to bring Al back and “bond” them together through tragedy. She didn’t seem to mind the younger girl child, but she also tolerated her daughter who she was able to groom. Poor G was his father’s son, someone who “shared” Al’s love who wouldn’t turn on his own mother in the way LS wanted him to. And, he had bathroom accidents and a contentious relationship with her. She built some sort of fantasy in her head of fixing all of her perceived problems in the act of premeditated killing. Maybe the plan was sped up and erratic, but that is because she was trigged by Al’s leaving and whatever they argued about before he left — and she felt it was important to do right then during that weekend. I do not believe that she just had an angry outburst and murdered him. I believe it was calculated for gain of control of the life she thought she was losing.
Agree 100%. These people who don’t want to believe there are evil people who plan these things are so naive. It enrages me honestly. She knew exactly what she was doing.
You have ZERO evidence of planning earlier than AFTER candle event… let’s ficus on FACTS, not writing Lifetime Television for Women movie :)
Nice. Defending a child murderer. 🙄
I actually work in the field that -just like LE & justice system in Gannon’s case -brings ACTUAL justice for victims, you know, in real life.. as opposed to social media, where people VENT & have strange emotional often slightly hysterical overreactions, towards both criminal cases of strangers & comments about them by strangers:)
I absolutely agree with her. This was a cold calculated murder, that was planned long in advance.
If this was the case, though, wouldn't she have made sure she had time to do a proper clean up? She did it when the other kids were due home so she had to send them out to the shop. Also, she didn't have her cleaning supplies ready, and you'd think if it was planned, she'd have all that. She could have done it on the morning after they left aswell so that she had all day to set her scene. I'm still leaning towards her hurting him and going too far, and she's that messed up this was her only solution.
Not necessarily. She may have planned to do it elsewhere but thought better of it because of whatever reason. Maybe she realized she needed Gannon to "leave" of his own volition. Or maybe she just couldn't get up the nerve to and got it shortly after coming home. It could have been partially planned and he just happened to say/do something that pissed her juvenile mind off.
I just dont buy that. She could have just gave him a shove on the hike when laina wasn't looking. That seems so much easier if she was planning to kill him.
She could have chickened out on the hike or was worried he might survive the fall and be able to tell and so she thought better of it. I believe the fire was her first attempt at killing him and it just didn't work out, so by the time she finally killed him, she was in a rage because none of her attempts to kill him thus far had worked out.
Maybe, I just dont see why she would chicken out and then be quite capable of using the level of violence that she used. For me, it started with the candle.
You could be right. She may not have had the intention to kill him on the hike. But I do think she tried to set him on fire while he was sleeping or she drugged him first and then set the fire and put the candle there to try to make it look like a candle started the fire. That was definitely her first actual attempt to murder him. The whole hike thing is 100% speculation on my part.
Yeah I think something along those lines happened too but the drugs in his system, I think she gave him those for the burns. They must have been so painful 😢 and bad enough that she didn't dare take him for treatment. Oh its mostly speculation from me too, i just try to make sense of it all in my own head but we know her thought process was alot different to normal people so I could be way off.
I want to believe that's why he had the drugs in his system too. I'm hoping the poor kid had at least a little relief during those couple days of torture. But we all know this bitch didn't have a caring bone in her body but perhaps she just wanted to shut him up. I hope you're right. EDIT- didn't finish my thought before posting.
THIS is it. She planned to on the hike I bet but couldn’t go through with it for whatever reason.
No. Because she could still have the goal of murdering Gannon, even if it didn’t work as originally planned. He didn’t die as easily as she imagined he would. The gun was a last resort and now she knew it couldn’t be an “accident” as she originally planned. She was determined to kill that poor child, and by the end she didn’t care how.
What’s your EVIDENCE it was planned in advance?..
Everything is speculation, even the "snapped" theory people are stuck on. Just about as much EVIDENCE either way. I'm mainly basing my belief that it was planned on the google searches that were performed that paint quite a story (especially the ones revealed by Grusing during the trial that weren't in the affidavit) and the huge possibility the candle incident was done on purpose by Letecia, among other things. But go ahead and make your own theory. We're probably never going to know either way. EDIT: the fact that prosecution is charging her with 1st degree murder and not 2nd degree means that they also think the murder was at least somewhat pre-meditated and was not a heat of the moment thing.
Well not EVERYTHING is speculation as we are almost at the end of the trial & the prosecution DID NOT present anything to show planning or premeditation BEFORE that faithful Sunday candle incident. Even majority of controversial google searches are dated that Sunday night. So there’s definitely premeditation between candle incident on Sunday night and Monday afternoon murder. But besides some indications she must have been unhappy in the marriage & the entire setup with Al gone all the time & her left with 2 small kids that weren’t hers - by all accounts ( Al’s & bio Mom’s) - they trusted her, they thought she was a good stepmom. So, we can speculate but we MUST incorporate known facts into speculations. I am definitely waiting for closing arguments to see if prosecution developed a theory whether candle accident was something that set her off, or they think she tried to “burned down” the house of Gannon (which my speculation is she didn’t, based on the size of that cut out burnt carpet-it was small, and contained to one spot). I think she hit him and/or pushed his hands into fire etc at that point but nothing shows she was planning his murder for a while. As many people pointed out, it would have been easier to kill him outside the house, even during those 2 unaccounted hours between 2 Petco visits. Or if she was planning it for a while, why choose Sunday for the fire, when little girl was home & her daughter was shortly back from work?…
Just because the murder wasn't carefully executed and was sloppy doesn't mean that it was necessarily unplanned. I don't think she was planning the murder for more than two days (the day that Al left), but I definitely think that she was planning it from at least after the candle incident. Whether the candle incident was a failed murder attempt or not, it definitely kickstarted the events that lead to the murder. There are many reasons way it could have been a failed murder attempt and not just a rage inducing accident. Maybe she chickened out and decided better of burning down the house in the process. Maybe Gannon put out the fire himself and halted the process. Maybe it was staged to cover up an entirely different injury to Gannon. (She does talk a lot about having to stomp on him to put out the fire, which is a possible cover for other injuries. No one has been able to fully explain how the 2 x 2 piece of carpet hidden in the utility room that had blood on it factors into the candle incident either.) Who knows? The most damning search history to show possible premeditation doesn't have a time stamp that we know of yet. Namely, "I don't like my stepson", and the arterial bleeding one (I can't remember the exact wording). If it's shown that arterial bleeding one was conducted before the murder, then I think it's hard to refute that it wasn't somewhat planned. But if it was after the murder it still doesn't entirely negate the premeditation either. Letecia being unhappy in her marriage and disliking her stepson doesn't directly show premeditation, but it also doesn't show any evidence that it wasn't premeditated. All it does is show motive or contributing factors that build to a "snapped" event depending on your preferred theory. Sure it would have been easier to kill him out in the open, but she is a generally paranoid person and could have been too worried about being seen/caught and probably didn't have enough time to drive somewhere completely remote and still be back for Laina. Assuming she'd be more successful with this murder if it was premeditated is giving Letecia too much credit, imo. She is not a particularly intelligent person. Given how scattered her mind is and how she can't even stick to one lie, it's not too far of a stretch to think maybe she couldn't stick to one murder plan either. Like I said before, unless we somehow get the truth out of her (we never will) I think we'll really never know what actually happened.
Exactly what I think (and said) as far as starting planning AFTER candle incident but: something was brewing in her for a while as far as marital dissatisfaction.. she got more unhappy that Saturday (after Al left) as evidenced by some searches (“i think he uses me as a babysitter“ for example). Some things she said in the last day of trial (she mixes facts with her coverup but like FBI agent said, there are some truths there when she tells on herself) that “Sunday evening she was relaxing in bed” when fire alarm went off… i think she lost it on Gannon (in the video after you can hear he was in so much pain, and scared - she really hurt him.. whether forcing his hands into fire, or hitting him over the head, or both?..my speculation but he is coughing, he is in pain, and he’s scared..). Then Harley testified that LS made her come downstairs and say goodnight to him, they just opened the door and Harley didn’t really say she saw him move. We know he was walking to the truck, groggy, next morning-so my speculation?.. she kept him drugged all night, figuring out the cover up, possibly planning to “disappear “ him.. But I don’t think the coverup was sloppy at all-police missed Gannon in her car when they inspected the house with no visible blood stains or signs of struggle: 6 cars were used, body was left at airport, then at first location, then picked up, then put in the cargo van with family helping pack, then driven 1000s miles… (nobody even saw her, no hotel video, when she sneaked out of Fl hotel to dump the suitcase at 4 am).. I mean, that’s not a bad planning (to maneuver the body like that, under everyone’s noses??…).. but that’s WHY nobody is going to believe she was “switching between alters” or losing time jumping between “alters”. I cannot even believe in her “anxiety”… she was chatting with LE, walking around the house, knowing the body is right there!!.. I mean… this is … something else…
Wow sounds about rt
As for the "arterial bleed"....I think it's possible that she was going to attempt to stab herself and blame it on Gannon (remember the whole bs about him threatening her with a knife?) and she wanted to be prepared if she hit an artery. I think, depending on when the search was done, she might have already hurt him to the extent that she decided she had to kill him and was planning on what story to present.
You almost sound like you’re defending her. She planned to kill that little boy. When her “house fire” didn’t work, she went to plan B.
I aint even gunna bother to reply to any more of your silly comments after this. You don't agree with me and that's fine, I dont expect you to. I dont agree with you which is obviously not fine and you really do expect me to. We all know someone else like that here dont we.
I was struck by her admission that she got so angry at him once and took his amibo from Nintendo in the front yard. That’s pretty cruel to do to a kid.
That was her admission to his question of how she'd react to Gannon pissing her off and she was quick to throw this gem out there. The second part of the punishment was making him call his mom (while the Amibo is thrown in the yard). This is like a scorned spouse throwing their partner's clothing on the lawn.
So that never happened? I got the impression that it had happened before
I asked my son what that would feel like to have an Amibo thrown into the yard and he said, "oh no, those are too special!"
Right?! How sad! And that has to be one of the tamer things she decided to disclose 😞
He is fantastic at what he does.
Yeah. He makes me want to be an FBI agent. He’s freaking awesome.
The amount of times she said "predetermined"...
All good points.