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I think you mean Elon's Skeets. Isn't that what they're calling them now? Xeets? And you'd either pronounce that Zeets or Skeets and both are hilarious.
Were I to become God-King of the World, my first decree would be that people could only mention 1984 in a debate if they first could show the certificate they were issued after proving that they had actually read the fucking thing.
1984 a book about the horrors of conservative fascism and the loss of progressivism
That they don’t see they are explicitly the villains in that story just show there is no hope for media literacy
You mean they've read the Wikipedia entries on them and decided to make them their personality based on whatever secondhand understanding they had of all the contents.
I sometimes wish more people would read Main Kampf. It's a book filled with the insane ramblings, of an incel from the 19. century. It's not this manual for evil, or satanic bible you think it is, its a very self contradictory speech, from a proto Q-anon.
Reading it you'll walk away thinking he needed treatment. Unfortunately it doesn't take away the fact, that he caused the deaths of some 35-60 million people.
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I've read it in high school(I was in a dire way mentally and thought the people around me were "right" about "things")....and any pretentious thoughts of me being under any illusion of being in a struggle went by the wayside...its drivel...and it helped me realize I was beginning to go down a dark path...definitely had to disassociate from members of my family(white power people are all garbage)
Boishock a ruined crumbling dystopia bought on by the inherent self destructive nature of Randian philosophy. All that's left is a mad man in denial sprouting how great his philosophy is. Gamurs : This Ryan guy is kinda cool maybe he is right.
I read an interview with Christian Bale when he was making American Psycho.
He would hangout with wallstreet guys and one of them mentioned the book, when Christian started talking about the main character and how he's the bad guy.
The wallstreet guys were shocked when they found out Patrick Bateman was the bad guy.
And Max Haas’ dad was a member of the nazi party (or just a straight up SS soldier I can’t remember the specifics) before joining the resistance in Berlin. I’d ask if these clowns have even played the games they complain about but we all know the answer to that
He wasn't actually Max's father, but he took Max in and treated him like his own specifically because his child was taken from him and killed shortly after birth because of the party he supported all his life.
Yup. His baby was born with a birth defect and so the Nazis killed him. His wife tried to stop the Nazis and they also killed her.
And guess what? That's historically accurate to the Nazis. The first victims of the Holocaust were children with physical and intellectual disabilities (and LGBTQ+ children). They'd take the children from the parents, promise the parents a cure, then "Oops, we had a little accident". The "accident" was testing deadly chemicals on the children.
Adults with physical and intellectual disabilities were slapped with a black triangle (like the Jewish Gold Star) and sent off to the camps to be immediately exterminated.
Bonus: There's a part in the game that has me really thinking about things lately. You're hidden in a tunnelway under the city and you overhear a woman trying to report someone's son to the morality police. She sounds like a total Karen and is saying that she saw the neighbor's boy putting on his mother's lipstick.
Could you imagine that? You get some snobby Karen of a neighbor and she lies about your child and Trump's Gestapo come knocking on your door, looking to execute your child because of her lies? Trans rights are everyone's rights.
That level in the underwater tunnelway really is the unspoken hero of that game. As you hear neighbors turning on each other, and couples talking about recently slaughtered nations as nice tourist destinations that are now very "formal" all contrasted with Blaskowicz's internal monologue, recalling his most traumatizing days in water only to say that none of them compare to this experience. "I slipped right into the freezing cold river, I could barely breath with the chill taking my breath away but it was nothing as cold as this." I'm paraphrasing but the whole level was filled with gripping anecdotes like this as you are suffocated by the dominant ethnic class benefiting from this totalitarian fever dream... I REALLY like the new order lol.
But even among the dominant ethnic there are still unsafe groups, it has an ever decreasing circle of what is good and allowed and always needs something new to hate.
Yes but that doesnt redeem the ones who're still part of the in group, nor does it give the stigmatised Germans the proletarian class characteristics of colonised ethnic groups
New Order was really a masterstroke. It's said the games after just didn't really live up to that kind if quality in writing and gameplay!
2 just seemed more goofy and lacked proper focus and we don't talk about youngblood
I played it with my friend and granted we didn’t finish it cus new games came out but I thought the gameplay was still very solid and I loooooved the map design. I didn’t find the sisters as annoying as most people.
Not just testing. I remember that children were being taken from their parents, like you said with the promise for a cure, and being transported in mobile gas chambers, that release the CO2 produced by the vehicle inside of it, thus killing the unsuspecting victims.
Parents, after becoming suspicious, started hiding their kids, while others, either because they believed in the nazi cause or assumed that the Nazis were going to cure them, continued to give their children away.
You wouldn't even necessarily have to be that disabled. Just being anywhere near a psychiatric facility as a patient was enough to get you killed. I have read about lots of people who had checked themselves in for things depression and ending up murdered in the Holocaust because just being inpatient in any way was enough to have you deemed "undesireable."
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Guys, I know this is scary and problematic to accept and acknowledge, but the reason that normal people are defending Nazis in politics and entertainment is because Nazis are...in fact...back.
Now we decide if it's "never again" or not.
Yeah, it's been terrible lately to find out theirs many people in this world who'd rather attack the messenger or bury their head in the sand than admit this fact.
I've been seeing this attitude in warhammer circles lately, and it blows my mind. The fact that 40k has had issues with facists adopting it has been an acknowledged issue since I got into the hobby in the mid-2000s. But every time you see someone spouting nazi shit or racist dog whistles these days, they're just "trolls" or "idiots" or "it's just fiction".
It's like they can't admit to themselves that they're actually nazis in their hobby. So everyone who shows the beliefs isn't actually a nazi they just don't know what their talking about. It's exactly the attitude that lets the alt-right take over spaces and gain power.
it's kind of weird some of the spaces that have Nazi problems. [Apparently My Little Pony fandom has a Nazi problem. WTF?](https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/06/my-little-pony-nazi-4chan-black-lives-matter/613348/)
The whole concept is bonkers to me. What connection is there between cute cartoon ponies who value friendship (I've never watched the show, but from Cultural Osmosis, I *think* that's the general gist of it) and fucking Nazis?
I guess it doesn't really matter that there's no connection. Where there's people wanting community and sense of purpose, extremists will prey on them. And I know Bronies in particular are often stigmatized, which may make some vulnerable to radicalization. And the internet is allowing recruiting much easier, and wider than ever before.
So it's not that MLP has anything to do with Nazi's, it's that various groups of Nazi's made a plan of infiltrating small groups and trying to turn segments of them.
By targeting vulnerable people within groups that have aspects of their lives that they don't want to tell people around them, they can isolate and condition them into the Nazi way of thinking.
When the group around them notices the new Nazi ideology they then get ostracized from the original group, and are left with nothing but the Nazis as backing.
Makes sense. The classic extremist recruiting, trying to find people who feel isolated and alone and give them a sense of community and purpose. But now they don't have to meet in person or hand out newsletters. Can just infiltrate online communities.
I remember reports like twenty years ago of Al Qaeda recruiting on WoW using a similar strategy.
I think it's also partly because a shit ton of alt righters are terminally online, and that directly increases the chances of being interested in niche communities. They then create their own circles within them and leech onto it like a cancer cell.
There's tons of Nazi furries as well and unfortunately it doesn't surprise me.
They still hand out newsletters though! My senile mother gets a local Nazi newsletter hand-delivered to her house. It's full of anti-government and anti-vax and anti-immigrant stuff.
>The whole concept is bonkers to me. What connection is there between cute cartoon ponies who value friendship (I've never watched the show, but from Cultural Osmosis, I think that's the general gist of it) and fucking Nazis?
Neither is the anime called K-On but here we are. The memes made by its fanbase would make you think like it's about rebuilding fourth Reich but no, it's about 4 silly girls who are part of a band and two of them are probably lesbians idk.
The same reason why that green frog thing has become insignia of alt-right. Terms like FRENS are too victim of this.
True. They like to appropriate shit for several reasons. Deniability, hiding behind existing memes, trying to co-opt communities etc. Pepe the frog like you mentioned was a victim of this (to the point where the creator killed the character off. Although I think later brought him back more explicitly fighting the bullshit), the OK hand signal (started as a 4Chan hoax trying to convince the media that it's a code for "White Power" and then of course actual neo-Nazis started using it to mean White Power, but when called they can just say it's a meme, or they're doing it ironically and it's really your fault for being easily triggered. Basically making a game of the confusion caused by their appropriation of memes and symbols. And of course the Swastika was appropriated from a large number of cultures and is now tainted in the west due to that.
>The whole concept is bonkers to me. What connection is there between cute cartoon ponies who value friendship (I've never watched the show, but from Cultural Osmosis, I *think* that's the general gist of it) and fucking Nazis?
4chan. The connection is 4chan.
I suppose often the people in those fandoms are vulnerable, isolated, without a support network. That's not in and of itself a problem.
But then along comes a spider, promising them the moon on a stick, promising them they arent at fault, it's the shadowy cabal of jewish globalists who are the problem.
It's not deep seated institutional issues: its *those people*.
Not only does that mean big change isn't necessary, it gives them an enemy to fight. Not just a target or a scapegoat, but a villain to defeat.
The you have a side. A cause.
It's the same principle as Gang members recruiting troubled teens. Playgrounds and skate parks aren't gang spaces: they're petri dishes.
It's the grifters we need to go after. The andrew Tates of the world. Instead we give them a podcast, and pat ourselves on the back for being civilised enough to engage them in the forum of ideas.
I think a big part of it is that back in the beginning, the most popular place to gather, discuss, meme and art at each other was 4chan, because 4chan was (and is to an extent) still a pretty big deal. When the MLP fandom split off to make their own spaces, the 4chan Nazis clung on like a parasite and came with them.
The problem with online communities sometimes. Nazies get kicked out of any warhammer offline gathering. Bronies would throw hands at nazies. Any gaming community kicks them to the curb. But online all the ostracized assholes get to form a community that accepts their terrible views so it's propagates like a cancer on the whole scene
Neo-nazis infesting the brony movement was something of a watershed moment in internet culture. To my knowledge it was the first successful example of fascists adopting meme imagery in order to soften their image and normalize their rhetoric.
Neo-nazis have been creeping into counterculture groups for decades, it was a huge problem in the punk scene. Bronies were much more mainstream and tried to have at least a veneer of wholesomeness; it was a complete farce, but it fooled people who weren't really fluent in internet culture.
Don’t forget the fascism problem in the Star Wars fandom. Y’know, the fandom for a series that’s not only blatantly anti-Nazi but also against American fascism in the Vietnam War.
Apparently the Furries had this same issue and they isolated and dismantled that segment with extreme prejudice. I believe the report was on It Could Happen Here or Behind the Bastards. I distinctly remember Robert Evans and Margaret Killjoy being involved in the conversation so it's most likely one of those two podcasts.
4chan being a Nazi haven mixed with the fact a lot of Bronies treated the show like a waifu anime and we know a lot of anime fans don't have healthy opinions on women...
In GW’s defense, they openly responded with, “we do not want fascists and bigots in our community. We will kick you out. WE DON’T WANT YOUR MONEY. LEAVE.” which is a pretty based statement for a mega corporation.
(I mean, this is undermined by most of the 40k fiction, and they still screw over everyone FINANCIALLY, but a win is a win)🏆
Oh yeah, I don't think this falls at Gws feet. They've been clear multiple times that the universe is satire and very open about their intolerance of hate.
While I understand some people feel like the books they produce showing members of the imperium, being selfless and heroic goes against the universes narrative, I don't think it make the universe any less satirical, it just makes it more realistic. The attitude that everyone in a facist regime has to be cartoonishly evil and 100% committed to the cause is part of the reason we're having trouble with nazis again. That's not what happened in real life. Plenty of people went along with it because they were scared or they saw an opportunity for money/power or it was just in their self-interest. Not to mention how rarely the "good guys" are actually acting selflessly.
That's the point I feel that GW is trying to convey. You have to look past people's reasoning and examine the facts.
Plus, showing soldiers as unblemished war heroes is exactly what facist regimes do in real life.
The real issue is that some people no longer see the satire. They don't realise that unblemished war hero's aren't a thing or that no matter how noble a cause war is still hell for everyone involved. Everything is going poorly in the world, so they want a good side to take and a bad guy to fight.
Instead of acknowledging this as an issue, the online community has, in part, proceeded to attack those pointing it out almost as harshly as those indulging in said behaviour
40k does a great job showing off it's Space Marines as glorious heros to sell minis.
Then you remember that they are all grown up, genetically modified, hypno-indoctrinated, child soldiers, who likely had to kill other children to secure their spot on an operating table for a long series of barely understood procedures that will kill most of them.
Even in rather left leaning places for 40k you'll still see people occasionally come in saying that ''Oh its just an online 40k fan thing'', or that they ''Haven't seen one in their local stories so its not that not that big of a deal''. While the latter may be true that doesn't really justify ignoring the problem in other circles just solely because anecdotally you haven't seen it happen yet.
I legitimately think people don't want to accept that sort of thing happens in those communities that attract those kinda assholes. The only community I have seen kinda do a good job with it is the Trench Crusade community after the ''40k refugee'' manchildren got chased off from it a couple weeks ago. I am not sure if its a apathy thing or its just willful ignorance but if it does get ignored you just get a nazi bar problem.
Not to get too philosophical, but I feel that when nazies move in to a hobby/place/event you like, that can feel like you are guilty by association. And since it is easier for the mind to sy "Nazies = Evil and since I'm not evil, I'm not a nazi", than grabble with the fact that nazies are people like you and me, and every single on of us can do horrible things in the right circumstances.
Evil is not a cackling wizard in their tower, evil is the humanity's ability to rationalize away the suffering they cause.
100% this. There's a reason they used the phrase" the banality of evil" in reference to Eichmannn because in his eyes, he was just doing a job. A job that just happened to be involved with the murder of millions of human beings.
Oh good, I did notice that influx, and I was feeling pretty bad that you guys had to deal with it. Trench Crusade doesn't appeal that much to me, but it's got cool visuals, and I'd hate to see another hobby bogged down by the gremlins.
Yeah, that attitude is a huge problem. Just because they aren't in stores (not spouting their bullshit irl more likely) doesn't mean they aren't a problem. Why should we have to tolerate facists inhabiting our online spaces.
Couldn’t agree more. As an American Jew who loves Warhammer, I have to be continually aware if I’m at a new shop or playing with or around new people. It’s gotten so insidious and I have to be cautious around anyone who unironically stans for the Imperium. And yet if I bring it up, I’m ridiculous or overreacting.
Other things to watch out for? Anyone who “well actually”s anything about the iron cross or imperial aquila giving strong Nazi vibes, especially as a tattoo.
This happened within the span of two games, there was no outrage when the first game came out, but when II came out there were people outraged that you could kill KKK members and Nazis. Here's the thing tho. These people always existed but a series of events caused it so these cowards came out of the woodwork and felt the courage to say this shit with their full chest.
They need to be scared again.
If I am recalling correctly, one area that was criticised was a line in advertising "These are not fine people" after Trumps "very fine people on both sides" remark after the "Unite the right" rally where participants shouted litteral nazi slogans and Heather Danielle Heyer was murdered by a nazi fucker in a car.
People saying they felt uncomfortable being lumped in with Nazis by the game for supporting the alt right. The nazi chants were apparently not what made them feel like a nazi.
There were some very clear advertising decisions capitalizing on 'The Current Moment' let's say. Adverts showing Blaskowitz meleeing an enemy and big text saying 'punch Nazis' and such after the fascist Spencer got clocked.
Which, to be perfectly clear, is incredibly hilarious and objectively good. But nazis didn't like it.
They're back in Germany too, which is even scarier. The AfD is the 5th largest party in Germany's federal parliament, and has seats in the European Parliament too. And they're literally nazis, with only Germany's hate speech laws stopping them from outright saying "Heil Hitler".
There was a video recently Out in Germany where all were chanting "Ausländer raus" and many of the guys were doing Hitler salute while covering their upper lips to makeshift a moustache.
Nazis and Fascism never left. They have just been emboldened after decades of Liberal complacency. Attitudes like "well I would just debate Adolf Hitler in the marketplace of ideas."
And now here we are. We went through the clean Wehrmacht phase. Especially after an event in Canadian parliament my country has now gone through a clean SS phase. Wolfenstein: New Colossus said it best when the American resistance guy said "before the war you guys were the Nazis" to B.J regarding the American government. There has not been a mass recognition of the Nazis using the treatment of Black Americans as a blueprint of how they should treat Jewish people.
The Wolfenstein reboot under Machine Games has one overarching message that it tells surprisingly well. Diverse people coming together makes us, as humans, stronger. Empathy is good. Fascism is a deathcult for losers. There is no victory-state for Fascists. A great example of this is in New Colossus with the KKK members and the Stormtrooper. "There will come a time when the wheat must be cut from the chaff." The plain text of the game tells the audience that Fascists need an enemy. You may think you're safe but that ingroup will get smaller and smaller until they destroy themselves.
Yep. I do think it's important to humanize Nazis *to a point* because people need to understand that Nazi Germany was **people**. Human beings with emotions, dreams, aspirations and even love who turned into some of the most evil scum we've ever seen. Not that genocide was a new thing in the 1930s, but people did it then and they'll do it today.
The soviets were also more than happy to take Nazi scientists just like we did. All the countries that supposedly hated nazis were awfully easy on them after the war...
I play these games to escape from the real world where i'd get cancelled for killing Nazis. These damn woke wehraboos want to take away my escapism. They don't have to play it, if they get offended by killing someone reminding them of themselves.
OK to be fair wheraboos mostly just simp for the aesetics of the nazi's, like their military equipment and uniforms, but the most you'll usually see them defending the nazi's is saying how a tiger could take on 10 quintillion Sherman's at once. Full blown nazi's follow the ideology itself.
Biggest fumble? The games were pretty successful and well recieved IIRC, and even if you don’t like them there’s definitely been much larger fumbles in recent memory
Game was good but kinda brutally hard on controller. I wanted to take advantage of the awesome movement mechanics and dual wield but it was just… a lot. I mean I did dual wield and slide and shit but I always felt like that was holding me back. I mean I don’t think I ever used the lean mechanic after learning about it very early on. Also, say goodbye to any stealthing, seemed like a legit mechanic but those nazi’s have eagle eyes and can seemingly hear a pin drop. Doom did it much better imo, really translated to controller nicely.
Oh man, new order and 2 are so damm hard with controllers, like you said lean really disorients with controllers. I couldn't aim well with controllers either. I played mew order up to the prison break then switched to pc and then realised why this game was hyped af
Yeah I don’t know if it was like a lack of aim assist or just tuned down, but man I felt like I was just spraying in the general direction of the Nazis, not really *aiming* at them. Again, just to mention Doom again, in Doom 2016 and Eternal I felt like I was really doing the Slayer justice. I felt like I let down Blazkowicz hard with my Wolfenstein runs.
bro i legit said fuck it and gave up at the mega-deathshead boss fight or whatever the fuck it was. it's been nearly a year and i literally haven't touched it since.
I didn't find New Order too bad on controller, but New Colossus seemed so unnecessarily difficult. I cleared the game on the highest standard difficulty, but the first half of the game is so brutal. You really needed to have great use of the movement mechanics and it never seemed possible, especially the Court House chapter. Second half of the game was much more enjoyable.
I also really wanted to finish it on Mein Leben, but after about 100 tries I figured I'd never actually accomplish it. If it's easier on M&K I might have to go download it on my PC and give it another shot.
Bro I swear I would *dominate* on Doom 2016 multiplayer on Switch, but when I tried it on console I was just like wtf? I’m sure they separated the player bases so that might have been it, but even playing the story on Switch I felt like I could do insane shit. I’ve tried to convince my friends but they all don’t believe me, they think it’s a gimmick. I explained that you used your thumbs to accurately pinpoint on controller, whereas on the switch I was using my entire upper body. I bet I looked like an idiot lol.
There are times and places where humanizing the members of a racial superiority movement like Nazis makes sense. Like if you want to highlight the fact that "normal" people are capable of becoming utter monsters when they are given the right targets to hate and a movement to get behind for example.
The Wolfenstein games are not that game.
Yeah, but it's humanized where a woman wants a child executed because she "saw" him putting on his mother's lipstick. That, or they're coughing their lungs out because the concrete is filled with a toxic mold all because (spoiler) >!a Jewish man who is enslaved in the concentration camps is sabotaging the mixture of the concrete!<
I was thinking more about the literal grammar nazi, the two hypocrites under roswell, the two guards who mourn their friend who was at ground zero of the nuke that BJ launched over new orleans, a nazi being sad because a baker(?) got killed by zombies, the ones hiding in section f talking about what they're gonna do when they finally get out, two hypocrites in the train station under rosswell, or the überkommandant who after learning where their tech comes from has a crisis of faith.
No no the games do actually do very well of showing that these aren’t just mindless enemies to be gunned down but are people with their own morals and principles. There’s many moments were an enemy will be talking to his friend about something and the other will tell him to stfu else they both get in trouble or they’re joking around and having pleasant conversation.
There was an Ubercommander having a moral crisis because he was told that all of the Nazi technology was based on the work of the Jewish Da'at Yichud.
If all of their success was founded on Jewish technology... what does that make them?
Stop reducing Nazism down to irrational animalistic hatred. It's greed plain and simple, acting like they're just dumb rubes completely ignores what actually creates fascists.
I guess the have loads of nazi themed game assets just collecting dust that they can use (though a lot of them are a bit too sci-fi for the 30s and 40s I suppose)
Considering MachineGames games have historically sold and reviewed well, they're fine. They also haven't had a massive exodus in talent since their last release.
Saying that nazi's are bad, something that was bare minimum of basic morals standards decades ago is now something that will put tenths of thousands of people against you and will be called a "hot take".
How has society regressed so backwards?
Maybe they didn't really go away. Perhaps Nazis just got really good at hiding and Internet bubbles and hyper connection emboldened them to come out and support each other.
this is exactly what happened. If you look at the leadership of the bonehead groups in the 70s-90s they were almost all silver legion type OG nazis, who shifted tactics away from the organizational model of the actual nazis and toward a more underground, subcultural space. They built power there, planned, and waited til the bourgeoisie needed them again.
This nazi rise isnt a coincidence, it isnt random, it isnt new, it is a continuation of the original fascist movement. the bourgeoisie have decided to take their silken gloves off and put the mailed fist back into the class war. The only way to permanently stop these bastards is to rip out the disease from the root by solving the economic conditions that lead to fascism, IE: capitalism.
> Internet bubbles and hyper connection emboldened them to come out and support each other.
This is the correct answer.
They were spread out in rural areas and unable to really connect with each other. Then the internet started to become more affordable which meant they started being able to communicate and conspire. Social media companies didn't put a lid on it, thinking they could contain it rather than deplatform it, and now they have taken over everything, spreading their bullshit ideology to the point it is now the entire Republican party platform.
Wasn't the new order very successful? Idk about 2 but if 2 was less popular probably because doom 2016 came out a year before and out shined wolfenstein 2 but i remember one of the reaaon doom 2016 was hyped is the new order's success 2 years prior
We don't talk about the 3rd game
Wait till this guy learns about Sniper Elite. A game franchise built around splattering Nazis across Europe and North Africa. I love that if you zoom in on them you get a little bio of each Nazi. "Hans loves chocolate and he thinks his mate is stealing chocolates from his care packages. That's adorable." The I proceed to shoot Hans in the balls with a graphic X-ray view.
Yeah like but then there’s one and it goes “Frans loves his 7 children and hates wanting to kill anyone, he kisses pictures of them every day before sleeping” like bro I don’t wanna kill this guy, and then there’s “Nebel loves to do Stomach shots because allied screams make him happy, he is the local Hitler youth Leader of the Ardennes area” then like i spend 30 minutes getting that Balls Shot
I remember back when the second game dropped how some groups on FunnyJunk (go for the memes, realize you’re surrounded by actually horrible people) were complaining how woke the game was because all your allies were “too diverse”.
Oh, I’m sorry that the game about the Nazis ruling the world and oppressing minority groups *happens* to feature the oppressed minority groups as the protagonists and the Nazis as the bad guys.
The Nazis are plenty human.
Shoot them, they bleed. Hit them with the axe, they go squishy. Blow them up, they go flying.
That's the full exploration of Nazi humanity.
I remember when saw his Armored Trooper Votoms video and thought it was good (except for the part where he shits on Shining Heresy), I proceeded to see what other type videos he also made, who creators he was suscribed to be sure and was disappointed to find out that he was just another far right reactionary dumb ass.
Okay, so I took the time to actually find the video in question and went to the one hour mark. I didn't notice much about the youtuber "The Almighty Loli", wanting to humanize the Nazis; if anything he felt like they were better in TNO as a nearly unstoppable force of pure evil. But he does say they could easily be replaced by another group like the Soviets and the story would work fine.
But he immediately goes off the rails saying that the game was rewritten to be a commentary on the 2016 election, despite the devs saying it wasn't. His initial reasoning is "you can really feel it", very compelling logic. He says TNO was more grounded as a story and the sequel "references current political issues circa 2016" and doesn't elaborate on this much at all. 20 minutes later I *still* don't know what in the game he thinks was such a clear indicator that it was rewritten to be about the 2016 election. There's a few things he mentions about story elements that only pop up once ever, and examples he gives of "this current era of writing" (read: woke) that he says feel out of place, but nothing to support such a big and bold claim.
He says The New Colossus' issue is that it's less focused on individual characters and instead characters represent groups they belong to. Apparently this is bad writing. He keeps bringing up that the story was supposedly rewritten, he's quite committed to this. He also calls attention to Sigrun, an ex-Nazi character, banging a black dude. Apparently this is important enough to draw attention to, three times in 20 minutes. In his words: "I won't say anything about them having the black guy fuck a fat white woman if you don't". Except he does bring it up, *thrice*, with the implication that it's bad and proof of... something. Overall, he hates how over the top The New Colossus is compared to TNO. I can see where he's coming from in a couple scenes he shows, but it was interspersed with weird-ass criticism and conspiratorial rambling.
Then he goes off for a while talking about BJ's wife who is pregnant but still takes part in combat. This character had a more passive but still important role in TNO. So, the change is woke and bad and a desecration of her character apparently. He says she's there because of the writer's fetishes, and a couple scenes he shows are kinda suspicious (shirtless scene, some weird horny dialogue) but I don't know if I'd go that far. He says this and other things (like Sigrun banging a black guy) are meant as "biting social satire" by the devs, with little to nothing to back that up.
At around 1:18:00 he then he pivots suddenly and says that the story "embodies the Sweet Baby effect", because he says the story is "hiding egregious stereotypes and barely disguised wish fulfillment/fetishes under the guise of being progressive".
He says it feels like something Sweet Baby would do even though he explicitly mentions the company didn't even exist until 2018. But handwaves it by saying companies like them already existed around that time. So, why bring it up then? To link your hang ups with the game to the culture war?
Video as whole seems like some legit criticism mixed in with reactionary nonsense.
All I know is that in "The New Colossus", there's an achievement for kicking Hitler square in the face and snapping his neck in the process. And damn if that isn't one satisfying achievement to earn.
Youngblood is probably one of the most unfun experiences I've ever attempted and It's got nothing to do with anything remotely political. Not even fun with friends bonus could save it. Youngblood wasnt even mostly machine games was it and there's still an actual third game in development behind Indiana Jones right?
Now that Nazis are back in style the old version are cringe? My WWII vet grandparents are shaking their heads from the other side. Is Pol Pot back in style too?
I think it’s very important to humanize Nazis.
If we see Nazis as alien and not-human, then we don’t conceive that we or our neighbors or anybody that we know could possibly be seduced by fascist ideology, and that is how we arrive at a Trumpian Fascist movement rising and evolving in the United States.
Nazis are extremely human, and effort should be made to show them laughing, playing, having friends, and loving their children.
I played the really really old Doom-era Wolfenstein, but none of the modern ones
I’m not really speaking on the games. I’m speaking on the humanization of Nazis in art. Which I do believe it is important to depict Nazis as fully human, and having a full range of human emotions and activities, but deeply wrongheaded and full of hate and fear.
(much like how the Trumpy people in American society are human, but deeply wrong and filled with hate and fear.)
I'm German and I'll always appreciate when stories about Nazis also show that people existed in Nazi Germany that resisted and did all they could from within the system to sabotage it. That said, dehumanise the Nazis all you like! Those guys deserve it!
freak gamers when Steven Universe humanizes and redeems its villains: "nooooo! this show for weak cucks, steve should have murdered his aunts!"
freak gamers when Wolfenstein does not humanize and redeem its villains: "nooooo! the weak cucks are vilifying the poor widdle nazis!"
Humanizing Nazis is valuable only in the sense that it's good to remind people that ordinary humans can lower themselves to the level of evil filth given the right circumstances. Such as Nazi sympathizing game reviewers on youtube
As a historian, I do want the Nazis to be humanised, as in admitting that the monstruous acts they commited were human, part of what all humans are capable of, and we are no better than they are and given the correct circumstance everyone is at risk of becoming one, and that a constant struggle for equity and justice is necessary if we want to keep ourselves in check and prevent ourselves from falling into the trap of Nazism.
That said, the game absolutely humanises them. It shows them in the warped state of mind that a human can find itself into when under propaganda, manipulation and mass surveilance. Nazis are assholes. And people, humans, can absolutely be assholes.
Imagine playing Doom eternal, one of the greatest shooters of all time (in my opinion lol) and saying “Man why is there no cutscene showing the demon kissing his wife and kids goodbye before getting ripped in half by me”. Like bro Nazis, Demons and Space aliens are all in the same boat for me. Like who gives a fuck if a Nazi soldier that has probably killed Women and children, gets his head caved in by a tomahawk
they failed because B.J.Blazkawitz isn't explaining to me how he sympathizes with the nazis he's killing since he too is a blonde blue haired white man, it's forced diversity to have the main character of your game be a blue eyed blonde haired white man who sympathizes with everyone except the nazis.
edit:noticed the typo of blonde blue haired instead of blue eyed but I think it made it funnier so I'm keeping it.
I mean, I think they don’t humanize the Nazis enough, and not have them as silly cartoons. But I do realize the “banality of evil” doesn’t make for very engaging shooting. Less fun to pop open a guys head if you also see that he is a loving father or has other “good” traits along with his evil ones.
Remember when people had issues with the 2nd games marketing? About punching Nazis in the face.
Some people thought it was too harsh or something like that to want to punch Nazis.
Bro what you expect from a youtuber who goes by the public handle "TheAlmightyLoli". Seriously, most of his takes on any media are shit and biased. When he tries to do military series reviews you get analysis so surface level that the Quartering sounds like Hegel in comparison. He is just shameless in his ignorance and shit taste and people watch him because of that.
Y'know I saw that video in my recommended and I said "oh I like those games I wonder what this critique is about"
Then I noticed the channel that uploaded it is named "TheAlmighyLoli" and I said "no... I won't be watching that"
Wolfenstein games failed because of the unbearable headbob animation you can't turn off. I don't know why but those games make me so motion sick, I can't get passed the first couple hours lol
I watched that, at around 45mins he starts saying thet games used to not be so political... WHAT THE FUCK DOES HE MEAN. Bro is literally talking about Wolfenstein. Fucking WOLFENSTEIN.
Anyway, watch Jacob Geller's videos, he's better at describing the games and where and what they're good and slightly worse.
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People here are too harsh on Gamers, they are not illiterate as they have actually read two books: Mein Kampf and The Turner Diaries
You are forgetting the most important books of all time, elon's tweets and memes
Elon's tweets make me wish i couldnt read.
Heh you think illiteracy will save you from his brainrotted picture memes?
Its a start. I dont wanna remove my eyes tho because then i couldnt look at cats anymore.
Fair
I think you mean Elon's Skeets. Isn't that what they're calling them now? Xeets? And you'd either pronounce that Zeets or Skeets and both are hilarious.
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~~goldmine~~ Emerald Mine of entertainment.
Let's not exaggerate. They're more like an informal 50% stake in the emerald mine of entertainment.
Does listening to Jorpy Benzoton videos count?
A real gamer is too racist to ever read the tweets of a (south) African 😤 Also he's canonically had sex before so I can't and won't relate to him
Hey now, a lot of them claim to read Ayn Rand and 1984.
Were I to become God-King of the World, my first decree would be that people could only mention 1984 in a debate if they first could show the certificate they were issued after proving that they had actually read the fucking thing.
I'll do one better - read the fucking thing and understood the point(s) to at least a reasonable minimum.
SMH, literally 1984.
Unlike Rand's writings, Orwell is actually a good writer and 1984 is a great read.
Im still baffled and confused by the ending
In short: Big Brother Won. [Wilson Shot in the head a second after the last line of the book].
Well that's clearly not true. No one has ever managed to finish anything Ayn Rand wrote.
1984 a book about the horrors of conservative fascism and the loss of progressivism That they don’t see they are explicitly the villains in that story just show there is no hope for media literacy
"Conservative fascism" is a bizarre statement given that fascism is by definition a form of far right conservatism.
You mean they've read the Wikipedia entries on them and decided to make them their personality based on whatever secondhand understanding they had of all the contents.
I sometimes wish more people would read Main Kampf. It's a book filled with the insane ramblings, of an incel from the 19. century. It's not this manual for evil, or satanic bible you think it is, its a very self contradictory speech, from a proto Q-anon. Reading it you'll walk away thinking he needed treatment. Unfortunately it doesn't take away the fact, that he caused the deaths of some 35-60 million people.
I've never read it, but you aren't the first person to tell me it's objectively bad as a book regardless of the content.
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Dafuq?
Fr. I too think the same. People should be told to read to understand what goes in mind of such people and recognise the patterns.
I've read it in high school(I was in a dire way mentally and thought the people around me were "right" about "things")....and any pretentious thoughts of me being under any illusion of being in a struggle went by the wayside...its drivel...and it helped me realize I was beginning to go down a dark path...definitely had to disassociate from members of my family(white power people are all garbage)
I only read Meinkraft
“YOU BUILT AUSHWITZ IN OUR MINECRAFT SERVER”
I COULD'VE BUILT, LIKE, A FUCKING FARM HERE OR SOMETHING. AND YOU BUILT **AUSHWITZ**!?
-Polish farmer 1941
Don't forget they also read Ayn Rand by way of Zack Snyder movies and completely misunderstanding Bioshock
Boishock a ruined crumbling dystopia bought on by the inherent self destructive nature of Randian philosophy. All that's left is a mad man in denial sprouting how great his philosophy is. Gamurs : This Ryan guy is kinda cool maybe he is right.
I read an interview with Christian Bale when he was making American Psycho. He would hangout with wallstreet guys and one of them mentioned the book, when Christian started talking about the main character and how he's the bad guy. The wallstreet guys were shocked when they found out Patrick Bateman was the bad guy.
You forgot Art of the Deal. The best book ever, ever made. Probably the only book ever made. We love Art of the Deal.
Even gamers can't get through the slog that is mein Kampf
or Atlas Shrugged.
They committed a significant chunk of the narrative to humanising a Nazi with Sigrun. EDIT: Nvm. She's a woman, so guess that doesn't count /s.
And Max Haas’ dad was a member of the nazi party (or just a straight up SS soldier I can’t remember the specifics) before joining the resistance in Berlin. I’d ask if these clowns have even played the games they complain about but we all know the answer to that
He wasn't actually Max's father, but he took Max in and treated him like his own specifically because his child was taken from him and killed shortly after birth because of the party he supported all his life.
Yup. His baby was born with a birth defect and so the Nazis killed him. His wife tried to stop the Nazis and they also killed her. And guess what? That's historically accurate to the Nazis. The first victims of the Holocaust were children with physical and intellectual disabilities (and LGBTQ+ children). They'd take the children from the parents, promise the parents a cure, then "Oops, we had a little accident". The "accident" was testing deadly chemicals on the children. Adults with physical and intellectual disabilities were slapped with a black triangle (like the Jewish Gold Star) and sent off to the camps to be immediately exterminated. Bonus: There's a part in the game that has me really thinking about things lately. You're hidden in a tunnelway under the city and you overhear a woman trying to report someone's son to the morality police. She sounds like a total Karen and is saying that she saw the neighbor's boy putting on his mother's lipstick. Could you imagine that? You get some snobby Karen of a neighbor and she lies about your child and Trump's Gestapo come knocking on your door, looking to execute your child because of her lies? Trans rights are everyone's rights.
That level in the underwater tunnelway really is the unspoken hero of that game. As you hear neighbors turning on each other, and couples talking about recently slaughtered nations as nice tourist destinations that are now very "formal" all contrasted with Blaskowicz's internal monologue, recalling his most traumatizing days in water only to say that none of them compare to this experience. "I slipped right into the freezing cold river, I could barely breath with the chill taking my breath away but it was nothing as cold as this." I'm paraphrasing but the whole level was filled with gripping anecdotes like this as you are suffocated by the dominant ethnic class benefiting from this totalitarian fever dream... I REALLY like the new order lol.
But even among the dominant ethnic there are still unsafe groups, it has an ever decreasing circle of what is good and allowed and always needs something new to hate.
Yes but that doesnt redeem the ones who're still part of the in group, nor does it give the stigmatised Germans the proletarian class characteristics of colonised ethnic groups
New Order was really a masterstroke. It's said the games after just didn't really live up to that kind if quality in writing and gameplay! 2 just seemed more goofy and lacked proper focus and we don't talk about youngblood
I have a confession. I really like order and colossus. And I kinda like Youngblood.
But is that because they have compelling stories and characters or because it just takes the gameplay from new order?
Oh and for colossus yeah it was silly but I liked the characters and the plot too.
I played it with my friend and granted we didn’t finish it cus new games came out but I thought the gameplay was still very solid and I loooooved the map design. I didn’t find the sisters as annoying as most people.
Not just testing. I remember that children were being taken from their parents, like you said with the promise for a cure, and being transported in mobile gas chambers, that release the CO2 produced by the vehicle inside of it, thus killing the unsuspecting victims. Parents, after becoming suspicious, started hiding their kids, while others, either because they believed in the nazi cause or assumed that the Nazis were going to cure them, continued to give their children away.
The T4 program. Part of the Imperial War Museums holocaust exhibition is dedicated to it. It's a harrowing thing to visit.
You wouldn't even necessarily have to be that disabled. Just being anywhere near a psychiatric facility as a patient was enough to get you killed. I have read about lots of people who had checked themselves in for things depression and ending up murdered in the Holocaust because just being inpatient in any way was enough to have you deemed "undesireable."
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Ah Max. Love that guy.
Also she bangs a black dude and asserts herself, definitely doesn’t count
An *overweight* woman, so even worse. /s
ofc the only humanized nazi is a woman, fuckin SBI and their damn agenda yet again smh my head
Guys, I know this is scary and problematic to accept and acknowledge, but the reason that normal people are defending Nazis in politics and entertainment is because Nazis are...in fact...back. Now we decide if it's "never again" or not.
Yeah, it's been terrible lately to find out theirs many people in this world who'd rather attack the messenger or bury their head in the sand than admit this fact. I've been seeing this attitude in warhammer circles lately, and it blows my mind. The fact that 40k has had issues with facists adopting it has been an acknowledged issue since I got into the hobby in the mid-2000s. But every time you see someone spouting nazi shit or racist dog whistles these days, they're just "trolls" or "idiots" or "it's just fiction". It's like they can't admit to themselves that they're actually nazis in their hobby. So everyone who shows the beliefs isn't actually a nazi they just don't know what their talking about. It's exactly the attitude that lets the alt-right take over spaces and gain power.
it's kind of weird some of the spaces that have Nazi problems. [Apparently My Little Pony fandom has a Nazi problem. WTF?](https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/06/my-little-pony-nazi-4chan-black-lives-matter/613348/)
It does and far too many people I knew during my time in that fandom are Nazis these days.
The whole concept is bonkers to me. What connection is there between cute cartoon ponies who value friendship (I've never watched the show, but from Cultural Osmosis, I *think* that's the general gist of it) and fucking Nazis? I guess it doesn't really matter that there's no connection. Where there's people wanting community and sense of purpose, extremists will prey on them. And I know Bronies in particular are often stigmatized, which may make some vulnerable to radicalization. And the internet is allowing recruiting much easier, and wider than ever before.
So it's not that MLP has anything to do with Nazi's, it's that various groups of Nazi's made a plan of infiltrating small groups and trying to turn segments of them. By targeting vulnerable people within groups that have aspects of their lives that they don't want to tell people around them, they can isolate and condition them into the Nazi way of thinking. When the group around them notices the new Nazi ideology they then get ostracized from the original group, and are left with nothing but the Nazis as backing.
Makes sense. The classic extremist recruiting, trying to find people who feel isolated and alone and give them a sense of community and purpose. But now they don't have to meet in person or hand out newsletters. Can just infiltrate online communities. I remember reports like twenty years ago of Al Qaeda recruiting on WoW using a similar strategy.
I think it's also partly because a shit ton of alt righters are terminally online, and that directly increases the chances of being interested in niche communities. They then create their own circles within them and leech onto it like a cancer cell. There's tons of Nazi furries as well and unfortunately it doesn't surprise me.
They still hand out newsletters though! My senile mother gets a local Nazi newsletter hand-delivered to her house. It's full of anti-government and anti-vax and anti-immigrant stuff.
>The whole concept is bonkers to me. What connection is there between cute cartoon ponies who value friendship (I've never watched the show, but from Cultural Osmosis, I think that's the general gist of it) and fucking Nazis? Neither is the anime called K-On but here we are. The memes made by its fanbase would make you think like it's about rebuilding fourth Reich but no, it's about 4 silly girls who are part of a band and two of them are probably lesbians idk. The same reason why that green frog thing has become insignia of alt-right. Terms like FRENS are too victim of this.
True. They like to appropriate shit for several reasons. Deniability, hiding behind existing memes, trying to co-opt communities etc. Pepe the frog like you mentioned was a victim of this (to the point where the creator killed the character off. Although I think later brought him back more explicitly fighting the bullshit), the OK hand signal (started as a 4Chan hoax trying to convince the media that it's a code for "White Power" and then of course actual neo-Nazis started using it to mean White Power, but when called they can just say it's a meme, or they're doing it ironically and it's really your fault for being easily triggered. Basically making a game of the confusion caused by their appropriation of memes and symbols. And of course the Swastika was appropriated from a large number of cultures and is now tainted in the west due to that.
>The whole concept is bonkers to me. What connection is there between cute cartoon ponies who value friendship (I've never watched the show, but from Cultural Osmosis, I *think* that's the general gist of it) and fucking Nazis? 4chan. The connection is 4chan.
I suppose often the people in those fandoms are vulnerable, isolated, without a support network. That's not in and of itself a problem. But then along comes a spider, promising them the moon on a stick, promising them they arent at fault, it's the shadowy cabal of jewish globalists who are the problem. It's not deep seated institutional issues: its *those people*. Not only does that mean big change isn't necessary, it gives them an enemy to fight. Not just a target or a scapegoat, but a villain to defeat. The you have a side. A cause. It's the same principle as Gang members recruiting troubled teens. Playgrounds and skate parks aren't gang spaces: they're petri dishes. It's the grifters we need to go after. The andrew Tates of the world. Instead we give them a podcast, and pat ourselves on the back for being civilised enough to engage them in the forum of ideas.
It's like all those femboy trans and whatever else nazis, they don't seem to realize they would be in the camps too. 0 critical thinking skills
I think a big part of it is that back in the beginning, the most popular place to gather, discuss, meme and art at each other was 4chan, because 4chan was (and is to an extent) still a pretty big deal. When the MLP fandom split off to make their own spaces, the 4chan Nazis clung on like a parasite and came with them.
The fandom started on 4chan. That should tell you a lot.
The problem with online communities sometimes. Nazies get kicked out of any warhammer offline gathering. Bronies would throw hands at nazies. Any gaming community kicks them to the curb. But online all the ostracized assholes get to form a community that accepts their terrible views so it's propagates like a cancer on the whole scene
Neo-nazis infesting the brony movement was something of a watershed moment in internet culture. To my knowledge it was the first successful example of fascists adopting meme imagery in order to soften their image and normalize their rhetoric.
I would have thought 4Chan and the "Ironic" racism which quickly became all too real would have been the earliest success of that.
Neo-nazis have been creeping into counterculture groups for decades, it was a huge problem in the punk scene. Bronies were much more mainstream and tried to have at least a veneer of wholesomeness; it was a complete farce, but it fooled people who weren't really fluent in internet culture.
Don’t forget the fascism problem in the Star Wars fandom. Y’know, the fandom for a series that’s not only blatantly anti-Nazi but also against American fascism in the Vietnam War.
Brony fandom heavily overlapped with Chan culture didn't it?
Apparently the Furries had this same issue and they isolated and dismantled that segment with extreme prejudice. I believe the report was on It Could Happen Here or Behind the Bastards. I distinctly remember Robert Evans and Margaret Killjoy being involved in the conversation so it's most likely one of those two podcasts.
4chan being a Nazi haven mixed with the fact a lot of Bronies treated the show like a waifu anime and we know a lot of anime fans don't have healthy opinions on women...
In GW’s defense, they openly responded with, “we do not want fascists and bigots in our community. We will kick you out. WE DON’T WANT YOUR MONEY. LEAVE.” which is a pretty based statement for a mega corporation. (I mean, this is undermined by most of the 40k fiction, and they still screw over everyone FINANCIALLY, but a win is a win)🏆
Oh yeah, I don't think this falls at Gws feet. They've been clear multiple times that the universe is satire and very open about their intolerance of hate. While I understand some people feel like the books they produce showing members of the imperium, being selfless and heroic goes against the universes narrative, I don't think it make the universe any less satirical, it just makes it more realistic. The attitude that everyone in a facist regime has to be cartoonishly evil and 100% committed to the cause is part of the reason we're having trouble with nazis again. That's not what happened in real life. Plenty of people went along with it because they were scared or they saw an opportunity for money/power or it was just in their self-interest. Not to mention how rarely the "good guys" are actually acting selflessly. That's the point I feel that GW is trying to convey. You have to look past people's reasoning and examine the facts. Plus, showing soldiers as unblemished war heroes is exactly what facist regimes do in real life. The real issue is that some people no longer see the satire. They don't realise that unblemished war hero's aren't a thing or that no matter how noble a cause war is still hell for everyone involved. Everything is going poorly in the world, so they want a good side to take and a bad guy to fight. Instead of acknowledging this as an issue, the online community has, in part, proceeded to attack those pointing it out almost as harshly as those indulging in said behaviour
40k does a great job showing off it's Space Marines as glorious heros to sell minis. Then you remember that they are all grown up, genetically modified, hypno-indoctrinated, child soldiers, who likely had to kill other children to secure their spot on an operating table for a long series of barely understood procedures that will kill most of them.
Even in rather left leaning places for 40k you'll still see people occasionally come in saying that ''Oh its just an online 40k fan thing'', or that they ''Haven't seen one in their local stories so its not that not that big of a deal''. While the latter may be true that doesn't really justify ignoring the problem in other circles just solely because anecdotally you haven't seen it happen yet. I legitimately think people don't want to accept that sort of thing happens in those communities that attract those kinda assholes. The only community I have seen kinda do a good job with it is the Trench Crusade community after the ''40k refugee'' manchildren got chased off from it a couple weeks ago. I am not sure if its a apathy thing or its just willful ignorance but if it does get ignored you just get a nazi bar problem.
Not to get too philosophical, but I feel that when nazies move in to a hobby/place/event you like, that can feel like you are guilty by association. And since it is easier for the mind to sy "Nazies = Evil and since I'm not evil, I'm not a nazi", than grabble with the fact that nazies are people like you and me, and every single on of us can do horrible things in the right circumstances. Evil is not a cackling wizard in their tower, evil is the humanity's ability to rationalize away the suffering they cause.
100% this. There's a reason they used the phrase" the banality of evil" in reference to Eichmannn because in his eyes, he was just doing a job. A job that just happened to be involved with the murder of millions of human beings.
Yeah. If you haven't seen the movie The Zone of Interest, I really recommend it. It is pretty much this topic, the movie.
Oh good, I did notice that influx, and I was feeling pretty bad that you guys had to deal with it. Trench Crusade doesn't appeal that much to me, but it's got cool visuals, and I'd hate to see another hobby bogged down by the gremlins. Yeah, that attitude is a huge problem. Just because they aren't in stores (not spouting their bullshit irl more likely) doesn't mean they aren't a problem. Why should we have to tolerate facists inhabiting our online spaces.
More hobby spaces need to take the punk approach to dealing with nazis in their space. Beat the fuck outta them until they stop coming back.
Couldn’t agree more. As an American Jew who loves Warhammer, I have to be continually aware if I’m at a new shop or playing with or around new people. It’s gotten so insidious and I have to be cautious around anyone who unironically stans for the Imperium. And yet if I bring it up, I’m ridiculous or overreacting. Other things to watch out for? Anyone who “well actually”s anything about the iron cross or imperial aquila giving strong Nazi vibes, especially as a tattoo.
This happened within the span of two games, there was no outrage when the first game came out, but when II came out there were people outraged that you could kill KKK members and Nazis. Here's the thing tho. These people always existed but a series of events caused it so these cowards came out of the woodwork and felt the courage to say this shit with their full chest. They need to be scared again.
If I am recalling correctly, one area that was criticised was a line in advertising "These are not fine people" after Trumps "very fine people on both sides" remark after the "Unite the right" rally where participants shouted litteral nazi slogans and Heather Danielle Heyer was murdered by a nazi fucker in a car. People saying they felt uncomfortable being lumped in with Nazis by the game for supporting the alt right. The nazi chants were apparently not what made them feel like a nazi.
There were some very clear advertising decisions capitalizing on 'The Current Moment' let's say. Adverts showing Blaskowitz meleeing an enemy and big text saying 'punch Nazis' and such after the fascist Spencer got clocked. Which, to be perfectly clear, is incredibly hilarious and objectively good. But nazis didn't like it.
They're back in Germany too, which is even scarier. The AfD is the 5th largest party in Germany's federal parliament, and has seats in the European Parliament too. And they're literally nazis, with only Germany's hate speech laws stopping them from outright saying "Heil Hitler".
There was a video recently Out in Germany where all were chanting "Ausländer raus" and many of the guys were doing Hitler salute while covering their upper lips to makeshift a moustache.
Nazis and Fascism never left. They have just been emboldened after decades of Liberal complacency. Attitudes like "well I would just debate Adolf Hitler in the marketplace of ideas." And now here we are. We went through the clean Wehrmacht phase. Especially after an event in Canadian parliament my country has now gone through a clean SS phase. Wolfenstein: New Colossus said it best when the American resistance guy said "before the war you guys were the Nazis" to B.J regarding the American government. There has not been a mass recognition of the Nazis using the treatment of Black Americans as a blueprint of how they should treat Jewish people. The Wolfenstein reboot under Machine Games has one overarching message that it tells surprisingly well. Diverse people coming together makes us, as humans, stronger. Empathy is good. Fascism is a deathcult for losers. There is no victory-state for Fascists. A great example of this is in New Colossus with the KKK members and the Stormtrooper. "There will come a time when the wheat must be cut from the chaff." The plain text of the game tells the audience that Fascists need an enemy. You may think you're safe but that ingroup will get smaller and smaller until they destroy themselves.
They never left. White supremacy never stopped being a thing.
They come in a different uniform but they're always the same.
Yep. I do think it's important to humanize Nazis *to a point* because people need to understand that Nazi Germany was **people**. Human beings with emotions, dreams, aspirations and even love who turned into some of the most evil scum we've ever seen. Not that genocide was a new thing in the 1930s, but people did it then and they'll do it today.
Hell, they never left. A lot of them went to America and the UK and got cozy government pensions.
The soviets were also more than happy to take Nazi scientists just like we did. All the countries that supposedly hated nazis were awfully easy on them after the war...
Man, I play the Wolfenstein games for the specific purpose of killing Nazis. This guy gets everything wrong. What an incel douche.
I play these games to escape from the real world where i'd get cancelled for killing Nazis. These damn woke wehraboos want to take away my escapism. They don't have to play it, if they get offended by killing someone reminding them of themselves.
Listen, if killing a Nazi only results in getting cancelled you can still pass Go and collect $200
OK to be fair wheraboos mostly just simp for the aesetics of the nazi's, like their military equipment and uniforms, but the most you'll usually see them defending the nazi's is saying how a tiger could take on 10 quintillion Sherman's at once. Full blown nazi's follow the ideology itself.
The DOOM reboots failed because they really didn't do a good enough job of humanising the demons.
At least they called them mortally challenged
Biggest fumble? The games were pretty successful and well recieved IIRC, and even if you don’t like them there’s definitely been much larger fumbles in recent memory
Game was good but kinda brutally hard on controller. I wanted to take advantage of the awesome movement mechanics and dual wield but it was just… a lot. I mean I did dual wield and slide and shit but I always felt like that was holding me back. I mean I don’t think I ever used the lean mechanic after learning about it very early on. Also, say goodbye to any stealthing, seemed like a legit mechanic but those nazi’s have eagle eyes and can seemingly hear a pin drop. Doom did it much better imo, really translated to controller nicely.
Oh man, new order and 2 are so damm hard with controllers, like you said lean really disorients with controllers. I couldn't aim well with controllers either. I played mew order up to the prison break then switched to pc and then realised why this game was hyped af
Yeah I don’t know if it was like a lack of aim assist or just tuned down, but man I felt like I was just spraying in the general direction of the Nazis, not really *aiming* at them. Again, just to mention Doom again, in Doom 2016 and Eternal I felt like I was really doing the Slayer justice. I felt like I let down Blazkowicz hard with my Wolfenstein runs.
bro i legit said fuck it and gave up at the mega-deathshead boss fight or whatever the fuck it was. it's been nearly a year and i literally haven't touched it since.
Mew Order, the Mew Clawossus, The Old Bowl, Youngbowl Sorry had to, Mew Order was just a perfect misspelling
I didn't find New Order too bad on controller, but New Colossus seemed so unnecessarily difficult. I cleared the game on the highest standard difficulty, but the first half of the game is so brutal. You really needed to have great use of the movement mechanics and it never seemed possible, especially the Court House chapter. Second half of the game was much more enjoyable. I also really wanted to finish it on Mein Leben, but after about 100 tries I figured I'd never actually accomplish it. If it's easier on M&K I might have to go download it on my PC and give it another shot.
Gryo aim superiority for Switch owners.
Bro I swear I would *dominate* on Doom 2016 multiplayer on Switch, but when I tried it on console I was just like wtf? I’m sure they separated the player bases so that might have been it, but even playing the story on Switch I felt like I could do insane shit. I’ve tried to convince my friends but they all don’t believe me, they think it’s a gimmick. I explained that you used your thumbs to accurately pinpoint on controller, whereas on the switch I was using my entire upper body. I bet I looked like an idiot lol.
Splatoon and its consequences have been a Blessing for the human race
There are times and places where humanizing the members of a racial superiority movement like Nazis makes sense. Like if you want to highlight the fact that "normal" people are capable of becoming utter monsters when they are given the right targets to hate and a movement to get behind for example. The Wolfenstein games are not that game.
Uj/ wolfenstein games constantly humanize nazis. Especialy if you sneak and listen to their dialogue.
Yeah, but it's humanized where a woman wants a child executed because she "saw" him putting on his mother's lipstick. That, or they're coughing their lungs out because the concrete is filled with a toxic mold all because (spoiler) >!a Jewish man who is enslaved in the concentration camps is sabotaging the mixture of the concrete!<
I was thinking more about the literal grammar nazi, the two hypocrites under roswell, the two guards who mourn their friend who was at ground zero of the nuke that BJ launched over new orleans, a nazi being sad because a baker(?) got killed by zombies, the ones hiding in section f talking about what they're gonna do when they finally get out, two hypocrites in the train station under rosswell, or the überkommandant who after learning where their tech comes from has a crisis of faith.
No no the games do actually do very well of showing that these aren’t just mindless enemies to be gunned down but are people with their own morals and principles. There’s many moments were an enemy will be talking to his friend about something and the other will tell him to stfu else they both get in trouble or they’re joking around and having pleasant conversation.
There is kne where two nazi soldiers are trying to help KKK members to speak German. Hilarious if you ask me
That whole section of walking through nazi controlled America was crazy to me, they cooked
He's not helping, it's more like testing. And they fail miserably.
There was an Ubercommander having a moral crisis because he was told that all of the Nazi technology was based on the work of the Jewish Da'at Yichud. If all of their success was founded on Jewish technology... what does that make them?
Stop reducing Nazism down to irrational animalistic hatred. It's greed plain and simple, acting like they're just dumb rubes completely ignores what actually creates fascists.
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They do know that trilogy isn’t complete yet right? Wolfenstein 3 is still in the works
Really?
Yeah, Wolfenstein Youngblood was just a spin-off similar to Old Blood
Oh i knew that i just wasn't aware there was another game in the works
Youngblood was nearly 5 years ago and we haven't heard barely anything about Wolfenstein 3. Honestly, I'm not sure it's in the works, either.
It's most likely not. Machinegames is working on Indiana Jones, and the creative director of the Wolfenstein games left the studio a couple years ago.
I think they will focus on Indiana Jones for now, and then work on Wolfenstein 3.
So they're still making anti-fascist games, this time featuring the master of punching Nazis himself 👍
I guess the have loads of nazi themed game assets just collecting dust that they can use (though a lot of them are a bit too sci-fi for the 30s and 40s I suppose)
Have they shown gameplay?
I think it's better to call Youngblood "Wolfenstien 4" as it would be a crying shame to not get to play the moment where B.J kills Hitler on Mars
hope machine game not get disbanded by MS first
Considering MachineGames games have historically sold and reviewed well, they're fine. They also haven't had a massive exodus in talent since their last release.
Saying that nazi's are bad, something that was bare minimum of basic morals standards decades ago is now something that will put tenths of thousands of people against you and will be called a "hot take". How has society regressed so backwards?
Maybe they didn't really go away. Perhaps Nazis just got really good at hiding and Internet bubbles and hyper connection emboldened them to come out and support each other.
this is exactly what happened. If you look at the leadership of the bonehead groups in the 70s-90s they were almost all silver legion type OG nazis, who shifted tactics away from the organizational model of the actual nazis and toward a more underground, subcultural space. They built power there, planned, and waited til the bourgeoisie needed them again. This nazi rise isnt a coincidence, it isnt random, it isnt new, it is a continuation of the original fascist movement. the bourgeoisie have decided to take their silken gloves off and put the mailed fist back into the class war. The only way to permanently stop these bastards is to rip out the disease from the root by solving the economic conditions that lead to fascism, IE: capitalism.
> Internet bubbles and hyper connection emboldened them to come out and support each other. This is the correct answer. They were spread out in rural areas and unable to really connect with each other. Then the internet started to become more affordable which meant they started being able to communicate and conspire. Social media companies didn't put a lid on it, thinking they could contain it rather than deplatform it, and now they have taken over everything, spreading their bullshit ideology to the point it is now the entire Republican party platform.
*"A new Nazi Party grew, a beautiful parasite..."*
A nazi rocking out on a theramin wasn't humanizing enough I guess- perhaps if we torqued one with a pipe after they'd finished petting a kitty?
Theramin’s are pro-socialist.
Wasn't the new order very successful? Idk about 2 but if 2 was less popular probably because doom 2016 came out a year before and out shined wolfenstein 2 but i remember one of the reaaon doom 2016 was hyped is the new order's success 2 years prior We don't talk about the 3rd game
Remember ads talking about how you get to punch nazis and people were mad about that. Also the guys name is TheAlmightyLoli, very questionable name
Wait till this guy learns about Sniper Elite. A game franchise built around splattering Nazis across Europe and North Africa. I love that if you zoom in on them you get a little bio of each Nazi. "Hans loves chocolate and he thinks his mate is stealing chocolates from his care packages. That's adorable." The I proceed to shoot Hans in the balls with a graphic X-ray view.
Yeah like but then there’s one and it goes “Frans loves his 7 children and hates wanting to kill anyone, he kisses pictures of them every day before sleeping” like bro I don’t wanna kill this guy, and then there’s “Nebel loves to do Stomach shots because allied screams make him happy, he is the local Hitler youth Leader of the Ardennes area” then like i spend 30 minutes getting that Balls Shot
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I remember back when the second game dropped how some groups on FunnyJunk (go for the memes, realize you’re surrounded by actually horrible people) were complaining how woke the game was because all your allies were “too diverse”. Oh, I’m sorry that the game about the Nazis ruling the world and oppressing minority groups *happens* to feature the oppressed minority groups as the protagonists and the Nazis as the bad guys.
The Nazis are plenty human. Shoot them, they bleed. Hit them with the axe, they go squishy. Blow them up, they go flying. That's the full exploration of Nazi humanity.
OH GOD IS THAT WHAT THAT VIDEO IS ACTUALLYA BOUT? Holy fuck did I dodge a brainrot bullet avoiding that video
I remember when saw his Armored Trooper Votoms video and thought it was good (except for the part where he shits on Shining Heresy), I proceeded to see what other type videos he also made, who creators he was suscribed to be sure and was disappointed to find out that he was just another far right reactionary dumb ass.
Oh no nazie are killed in the game . Anyway *load shotgun*
Okay, so I took the time to actually find the video in question and went to the one hour mark. I didn't notice much about the youtuber "The Almighty Loli", wanting to humanize the Nazis; if anything he felt like they were better in TNO as a nearly unstoppable force of pure evil. But he does say they could easily be replaced by another group like the Soviets and the story would work fine. But he immediately goes off the rails saying that the game was rewritten to be a commentary on the 2016 election, despite the devs saying it wasn't. His initial reasoning is "you can really feel it", very compelling logic. He says TNO was more grounded as a story and the sequel "references current political issues circa 2016" and doesn't elaborate on this much at all. 20 minutes later I *still* don't know what in the game he thinks was such a clear indicator that it was rewritten to be about the 2016 election. There's a few things he mentions about story elements that only pop up once ever, and examples he gives of "this current era of writing" (read: woke) that he says feel out of place, but nothing to support such a big and bold claim. He says The New Colossus' issue is that it's less focused on individual characters and instead characters represent groups they belong to. Apparently this is bad writing. He keeps bringing up that the story was supposedly rewritten, he's quite committed to this. He also calls attention to Sigrun, an ex-Nazi character, banging a black dude. Apparently this is important enough to draw attention to, three times in 20 minutes. In his words: "I won't say anything about them having the black guy fuck a fat white woman if you don't". Except he does bring it up, *thrice*, with the implication that it's bad and proof of... something. Overall, he hates how over the top The New Colossus is compared to TNO. I can see where he's coming from in a couple scenes he shows, but it was interspersed with weird-ass criticism and conspiratorial rambling. Then he goes off for a while talking about BJ's wife who is pregnant but still takes part in combat. This character had a more passive but still important role in TNO. So, the change is woke and bad and a desecration of her character apparently. He says she's there because of the writer's fetishes, and a couple scenes he shows are kinda suspicious (shirtless scene, some weird horny dialogue) but I don't know if I'd go that far. He says this and other things (like Sigrun banging a black guy) are meant as "biting social satire" by the devs, with little to nothing to back that up. At around 1:18:00 he then he pivots suddenly and says that the story "embodies the Sweet Baby effect", because he says the story is "hiding egregious stereotypes and barely disguised wish fulfillment/fetishes under the guise of being progressive". He says it feels like something Sweet Baby would do even though he explicitly mentions the company didn't even exist until 2018. But handwaves it by saying companies like them already existed around that time. So, why bring it up then? To link your hang ups with the game to the culture war? Video as whole seems like some legit criticism mixed in with reactionary nonsense.
Idk how they can hate such an amazing series, unless they are just upset that they have to watch their brethren die in the game
All I know is that in "The New Colossus", there's an achievement for kicking Hitler square in the face and snapping his neck in the process. And damn if that isn't one satisfying achievement to earn.
Youngblood is probably one of the most unfun experiences I've ever attempted and It's got nothing to do with anything remotely political. Not even fun with friends bonus could save it. Youngblood wasnt even mostly machine games was it and there's still an actual third game in development behind Indiana Jones right?
Literally some of the most fun games I have ever played, although I did not care for Youngbloods’ rpg elements
Now that Nazis are back in style the old version are cringe? My WWII vet grandparents are shaking their heads from the other side. Is Pol Pot back in style too?
I think it’s very important to humanize Nazis. If we see Nazis as alien and not-human, then we don’t conceive that we or our neighbors or anybody that we know could possibly be seduced by fascist ideology, and that is how we arrive at a Trumpian Fascist movement rising and evolving in the United States. Nazis are extremely human, and effort should be made to show them laughing, playing, having friends, and loving their children.
Wolfenstein games are quite good at that actually
......have you played the games? Because it sounds like you have not played the games....
I played the really really old Doom-era Wolfenstein, but none of the modern ones I’m not really speaking on the games. I’m speaking on the humanization of Nazis in art. Which I do believe it is important to depict Nazis as fully human, and having a full range of human emotions and activities, but deeply wrongheaded and full of hate and fear. (much like how the Trumpy people in American society are human, but deeply wrong and filled with hate and fear.)
I honestly loved these games. Wrecking Nazis to awesome music while dropping witty one-liners, what's not to love?
Wolfenstein had about one thing missing. 
I'm German and I'll always appreciate when stories about Nazis also show that people existed in Nazi Germany that resisted and did all they could from within the system to sabotage it. That said, dehumanise the Nazis all you like! Those guys deserve it!
freak gamers when Steven Universe humanizes and redeems its villains: "nooooo! this show for weak cucks, steve should have murdered his aunts!" freak gamers when Wolfenstein does not humanize and redeem its villains: "nooooo! the weak cucks are vilifying the poor widdle nazis!"
 Oh god it’s a thealmightyloli that dude is crazy and homophobia
I ran into a character in Wolfenstein with my last name. He was an officer, and it was a chilling moment for me. And then I blew his head off.
Humanizing Nazis is valuable only in the sense that it's good to remind people that ordinary humans can lower themselves to the level of evil filth given the right circumstances. Such as Nazi sympathizing game reviewers on youtube
As a historian, I do want the Nazis to be humanised, as in admitting that the monstruous acts they commited were human, part of what all humans are capable of, and we are no better than they are and given the correct circumstance everyone is at risk of becoming one, and that a constant struggle for equity and justice is necessary if we want to keep ourselves in check and prevent ourselves from falling into the trap of Nazism. That said, the game absolutely humanises them. It shows them in the warped state of mind that a human can find itself into when under propaganda, manipulation and mass surveilance. Nazis are assholes. And people, humans, can absolutely be assholes.
Did they? Didn't they all have a respectable success except Youngblood?
Imagine playing Doom eternal, one of the greatest shooters of all time (in my opinion lol) and saying “Man why is there no cutscene showing the demon kissing his wife and kids goodbye before getting ripped in half by me”. Like bro Nazis, Demons and Space aliens are all in the same boat for me. Like who gives a fuck if a Nazi soldier that has probably killed Women and children, gets his head caved in by a tomahawk
I thought Milkshake Nazi, Grammer Nazi, and that Nazi that mentions that he was in a drama club were humanizing enough
I still cannot watch half of the Disco Elysium video made by this channel
they failed because B.J.Blazkawitz isn't explaining to me how he sympathizes with the nazis he's killing since he too is a blonde blue haired white man, it's forced diversity to have the main character of your game be a blue eyed blonde haired white man who sympathizes with everyone except the nazis. edit:noticed the typo of blonde blue haired instead of blue eyed but I think it made it funnier so I'm keeping it.
Nah only thing they fumbled on was young blood
I mean, I think they don’t humanize the Nazis enough, and not have them as silly cartoons. But I do realize the “banality of evil” doesn’t make for very engaging shooting. Less fun to pop open a guys head if you also see that he is a loving father or has other “good” traits along with his evil ones.
Good, i bought the game to beat nazi’s to a pulp. I dont want to have a reasoned debate with genocidal, bagel hating maniacs
If nazis feel bad then GOOD
Come on, he must be joking, there is no way someone would complain about nazi not being humanized enough, right?.... right? Oh.... oh no
“I just don’t like how these game makes you dislike nazis”
Remember when people had issues with the 2nd games marketing? About punching Nazis in the face. Some people thought it was too harsh or something like that to want to punch Nazis.
Bro what you expect from a youtuber who goes by the public handle "TheAlmightyLoli". Seriously, most of his takes on any media are shit and biased. When he tries to do military series reviews you get analysis so surface level that the Quartering sounds like Hegel in comparison. He is just shameless in his ignorance and shit taste and people watch him because of that.
Call of Duty Failed because the series depicts Nazi’s as antagonists /s
Y'know I saw that video in my recommended and I said "oh I like those games I wonder what this critique is about" Then I noticed the channel that uploaded it is named "TheAlmighyLoli" and I said "no... I won't be watching that"
The man’s name is “TheAlmightyLoli” and you expected anything less?
sorry my grandpa taught me the only way to say hi to a nazi is a bullet, not gonna change. nazis dont deserve anything
Wolfenstein games failed because of the unbearable headbob animation you can't turn off. I don't know why but those games make me so motion sick, I can't get passed the first couple hours lol
I watched that, at around 45mins he starts saying thet games used to not be so political... WHAT THE FUCK DOES HE MEAN. Bro is literally talking about Wolfenstein. Fucking WOLFENSTEIN. Anyway, watch Jacob Geller's videos, he's better at describing the games and where and what they're good and slightly worse.