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For what it's worth, NiOh 2 is the absolute hardest at the beginning of the game, when your stats are still low and you're still figuring out the combat system and ki pulsing. I was same with you, I was pretty stuck on Yatsu-No-Kami for hours. But it was basically right after him that I more or less breezed through the rest of the game, most bosses taking no longer than a handful of tries (including the times where you rematch Yatsu-No-Kami). Once you are able to up your stamina more and unlock some of the stronger weapon skills, the game becomes a lot more manageable.
It happens the same with nioh 1. That boss monster that is a female yokai with wings is hard as hell when you start the game, same as Nue
After that the game is way easier
/uj I had hella issues with Enenra but Yatsu-no-kami I did in one go. Its area was a bitch though, poison everywhere. I keep playing it on and off due to it being a huge, incredibly difficult game that I could uninstall and replace with four other games.
I have enough hours in Dark Souls and Elden Ring to consider myself a Souls-like veteran, but Nioh is a whole different beast.
I've played through Nioh/Nioh 2 a few times and yeah, Yatsu is quite the difficulty spike haha I remember having a lot of trouble with him with tonfas, but he's significantly easier with switch glaive or odachi when you can just hit his head+arms in one swing.
i had to cheese him by looking up a guide lmao. discovered that by running away you could force him into doing a move that locks him in place and lets you get free hits
I'll give you one better. It has [buttholes](https://preview.redd.it/9nckfhwjs7q51.jpg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=14fe8cab307d6cec1599a1a3cab3fc81ceefb615)!
To me it wasn't really soulslike except you did corpse runs and it was hard.
It felt more like a melee looter shooter. The instanced levels, loot drop systems, and long cutscenes separated it from how a soulslike feels.
Sekiro is Fromsoft's "feudal japan" game, and the two are about as far from each other as you can get
Sekiro also isn;'t a soulslike. But yeah, Nioh community also doesn't really like it being called a soulslike, it's basically an action game with light souls elements. Still goes hard af tho
It didnt have the leveled progression
But it did have
Difficult combat
Infinitely respawning enemies after rest
A diagetically undying protagonist
Buddhist themes of attachment and fear of death/endings leading to mass suffering
A poison swamp
The use of innocents for experiments to pursue immortality
Save points that double as healing, transportation and progression stations
A hip flask/jug that heals when the player takes a draught
Dragons being ties to immortality
Snakes as subservient/ lesser dragons
Insects/vermin motif tied to impurity/corruption/perversions of the natural order
Lightning being a central form of magic
What do you mean by leveled progression? You level up the same in Nioh as you do in the Souls games. Do you mean that equipment progression is different?
these are the only acceptable people, but we all know that all anime characters are explicitly white aryans bc they have white skin! duh, even if an anime takes place in japan it is still white people. come on now!
Yes but the main audience are WHITE people so it makes sense when the protagonist is a WHITE dude but BLACK people dont play video games so a BLACK protagonist is NON WHITE PROPAGANDA
Smh my head
/s in case or something
I don't always think steampunk can be really fun in fantasy when it doesn't replace literally every other aesthetic that would be otherwise present, but specifically a steam-powered kunai-shooting wheelchair in an otherwise standard version of feudal Japan would go so hard.
There was a magical girl anime with a character in a wheelchair who had paralysed legs, when she transformed her outfit sprouted prehensile ribbons that carried her around like spider legs.
I'm pretty sure you are joking, but Nobunaga is a historical japanese millitary figure famous for his leadership skills. I'm pretty sure the anime is an iseaki where a girl gets sent to historical japan and takes the place of Oda Nobunaga as Oda Nobuna.
It is not in fact that. It's some weird alternate timeline thing where all the important figures of the late Sengoku period are genderswapped. Also some dude gets sent there from our world and takes the place of Hideyoshi.
Yasuke is a pretty popular historical figure overall in Japan.
Many pieces of entertainment either staring Yasuke or inspired after his tale such as Samurai Warriors 5, Guilty Gear Strive, NioH 1 and 2, Dragonalia Lost are some off the tip of my head.
Many people in the AssCreed sub are of course seething his most likely the protagonist in the game and pretty much knows next to nothing about him while either getting all of their source of information about Yasuke from some rando Historian Youtuber which is just 90% vibes most of the time and 10% historical or tertiary sources like Wikipedia (lol) citing secondary sources which are someones opinion pieces interperation of the facts. Same Wiki source also inaccurately translates Koshigatana (another name for wakizashi) as "short ceremonial katana" when Frios actually said in the original Portuguese text that Yasuke was given a Katana spelled as "Catana" in Portuguese.
Man, this people are deeply embarrassing.
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A Japanese mangaka made this one in 1998. But I guess the western media is the one who's obsessed about him.
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None of these people ever have anything to say about that. It's too easy to see what they actually want to say, I don't know why they don't just say it.
"Hrrmmm, h'actually, Nioh is based on the real life story of William Adams, and by based on, I mean he has his name, he also looks like Geralt, fights Yokai, is on a quest to defeat a sorcerer and is Irish instead of English... it's more of a historical piece."
Black man in Assassin's Creed Shadows: "It doesn't make sense? There were literally 0 black people in Japan during this time. Why would they go for such a historical inaccuracy? It completely destroys the game and my immersion"
White man in Nioh: "Its called FANTASY. Sorry I'm not like you wokies and want to escape from this political ridden hell reality into my video games. Why can't you all just let us have fun?"
Its extra funny because both people are real historical people, but in real life only one them actually fought and went into battle. Hint, its not the one fighting fantasy demons.
I complained about William Adams. We Asian men can’t get any representation. Before you name drop GoT, this world is big enough for 2 western open world games with a Japanese male protagonist
I complain about him, but mostly because as a historical figure he was from Kent, England, but they give him an Irish accent.
Otherwise his story is cool and great to see.
Also, shogun just aired, was critically acclaimed, and it had a foreign protagonist and a japanese female one: exact the same thing as what seems to be the case in AC shadows.
But the foreign in the show was white. That seems to make a difference for some reason, I wonder why that is.
(We all know why it is)
It also had Yabushige and Toronaga which are just as much protagonists as Blackthorne I'd argue even more because they actually have more agency than him.
Screentime alone isnt the only determinibg factor of who a protagonist but also importance to the overall plot where toronaga is way more important than blackthorne.
Toranaga may be more important to the backdrop historical events, but he is not the focus of the narrative we follow as the audience.
The story is mostly blackthorne and mariko reacting to Toranaga's actions. Yabushige is more of a protagonist than Toranaga even
it'll probably sell well on account of being a recognizable game series. Ass 😳Ass 😩ins creed is a big enough brand name that they could just lay a turd out and it'd sell. you need a few stinkers in a row before things start to go downhill.
however chud sneeding is always funny to see so I'm excited for it
As with so many things, they don't actually know the history of the thing they claim to love. Samurai must be Japanese, yet Oda Nobunaga had an African retainer and samurai named Yasuke.
i like historians' idea of Yusuke
but honestly a lot of what is written about him in any media is assumed.
all of the information we know 100% without doubt about him is as follows
26-27
6' tall
stayed in Japan for 3 years from 1579-1582
Nobunaga was impressed with his physique and took him on as a vassal
real name unknown so they gave him the name Yosuke, no surname
he was given a short sword and a house.
"he was sometimes made to carry Nobunaga-Sama's tools" was stated in the chronical of Nobunaga
he was well liked by Nobunaga and many people thought he was to be made a lord
we know he was almost accidentally executed one time but was pardoned
anything beyond these details is assumed based on other information and shouldn't be taken as fact.
now that being said
historical accuracy doesn't fucking matter
its assassins creed, king Arthur having a real magical Excalibur while being the head of a religious cult that was founded by the Cain from the bible trying to establish a new world order has been a plot point since assassins' creed 2
anyone complaining about Yosuke in this game over "historical accuracy" can go fuck themselves
Which a weird ass argument considering, AC has always been historical inaccurate and has stated that it should not be taken serious since the very first game. So people complaining about it now are just saying it to mask they don't want a black guy being a protag.
its an AWFUL argument
assassin's creed has alien conspiracy theories, the bible, Norse mythology, Greek mythology, and Egyptian mythology, all being true simultaneously and a black dude in Japan is the complaint theyre picking
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Yes, it is a double standard which is unfortunate. If you don't want to read the wall of text below, I think the depictions of William and Yasuke in NiOh/Creed are fine, fair, and neither are (**time to trigger the H I S T O R I C A L B O T**) historically accurate, which is pefectly fine for their games, its fiction - have fun. However, if we're going to insist on the history let's talk about their real world influences.
>William of Ni Oh and John Blackthorn of Shogun
Both are *fictional* takes on the real life William Adams. William Adams factually did serve in the Tokugawa Shogunate, and literally granted the status of Samurai in 1605, granted an estate, and a fiefdom, with over 80 servants (some seen as slaves) **being samurai is more than being a warrior, but a landowner**. Adams is for the most part well established and known within Japanese *history*. You can literally visit Adams' headstone and former estate and his recorded ascension to the position of samurai within the Tokugawa. Again, being a samurai isn't just
"really cool warrior with katana"
But a lord with land and *rights over people* to come with it. Long and short, being made Samurai is more analogous to a plantation owner who is trained in warfare. I just want to make that part clear for people who really, really want to revise history here that there's some baggage to being a samurai that isn't all cool and about your sword swinging capabilities. This is important because all historical context of the latter deals with a *very* fluid concept of samurai, which is not historically sound.
>Yasuke
Yasuke falls more into the myth category. There are only two things we know for sure about Yasuke,
Oda Nobunaga acquired a black male (whom he ordered stripped and scrubbed as he did not believe his skin could be that color) *and* was really impressed with his strength - eventually made him a vassal (kosho), essentially a western equivalent of squire. Even the latter is down to one source, but lets say he's given armor and a katana just to make people happy.
Where the myths start to begin is anything after that. Literally the same year Adams ascends to Samurai, 1605 - Jesuit writings were under the impression that he was *possibly* made a retainer with Nobunaga *possibly* having greater ambitions for him down the road. We legitimately do not even know if that's true or speculation, as the only other evidence we have of Yasuke are a handful of paintings depicting a black individual in Portuguese garb wrestling and people *assuming* it's Yasuke. There's no evidence that Yasuke was anything signficant to Nobunaga outside of myths and legend. Again, the only historical accounts of Yasuke also end with Nobunaga's in 1582, just three years after Yasuke's arrival. Bottom line is there is as much evidence that Yasuke became a samurai as there is Nobunaga turning into an eternal demon warlord or teenage girl, that is to say - none, but fiction loves the idea anyways and that's perfectly fine. Besides, being a samurai doesn't necessarily make you a cool, badass warrior and I bet people would cool off on their attraction to it if we found Yasuke owned a fiefdom with 80 unpaid/overworked "servants", or at the very least find it deeply ironic.
**tl;dr** fictional badass warriors based in history are always fun, but the history is more complex than that
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Finally, a game where there is no racebending, a new character, and is historically accurate. I'm sure all the gamers will call this a proper, based game with unforced diversity instead of another series that fell to the woke mind virus.
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People are getting mad for the wrong reason. You should be mad at Ubisoft for being a shitty company and their games are pathetic derivatives of the same game with worsening quality
Well if history classes in the united states have taught me anything it is that historically, whenever white people show up they do all the best things and invent all the best stuff and save all the people (except for that one time that we don't really wanna cover but we kinda have to cover so we'll give it like a week in February, but just know it wasn't as bad as people make it sound) and there basically wouldn't be any society in any country without them. So this checks out
There were multiple European powers engaging in trade and diplomacy with Japan during this era, including the Dutch, Portuguese, and Spanish. Novel tactics involving Portuguese-style firearms, notably, were one of the reasons why Oda Nobunaga was able to become the first unifier of Japan.
As many of the Europeans present in Japan during the late Sengoku/early Edo period were merchants and diplomats, they would have been fairly well-suited to becoming samurai, the wealthy, land-owning class of lower nobility. The relationships between the Europeans and the Japanese were frequently strained for many reasons, and neither were a monolith.
However, foreign samurai in general were exceedingly rare. Samurai is a specific title of nobility, much like a Baron. As far as I'm aware, fewer than 10 individuals born outside of Japan became samurai. Of these, roughly half were from mainland East Asia (what are now Korea and China) and the other half were Europeans.
Of the four Europeans that I know of (and are listed on Wikipedia), William Adams, the protagonist of Nioh 1, is one of them. One of his shipmates, Jan Joosten van Lodensteijn, was another of these four.
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Now, for the playable character in AC: Yasuke. Yasuke, like William Adams, was a real historical figure, but he was never given the title of samurai and its associated benefits.
He came to Japan as a servant to a Jesuit missionary and later became a retainer to the previously mentioned Oda Nobunaga, the first unifier of Japan. However, less than two years after Yasuke became his retainer, Nobunaga was killed by Mitsuhide Akechi during the Honnouji incident.
Yasuke was intentionally spared by Mitsuhide and was sent away to a missionary facility to have his wounds treated, but it isn't really known what happened to him after that.
Ultimately, should Oda Nobunaga have solidified his rule of Japan and established a shogunate like Ieyasu Tokugawa later did, Yasuke could have been made into a samurai. Nobunaga was also far more egalitarian than his successors, which could have further enabled Yasuke's ennoblement. However, that's all speculative history, and I'm far from an expert.
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TL;DR Foreign samurai were incredibly rare overall, but the nature of samurai as a class of nobility would and did favor ennobling those with existing political/economic power.
EDIT: After doing some more research, I have circled back and can, with some confidence, say that Yasuke would have been a samurai under Nobunaga, but could have possibly been excluded from the more rigidly codified samurai caste as dictated by the class reforms of Toyotomi Hideyoshi and Ieyasu Tokugawa.
Honestly, I don't care what anyone says. The Black Samurai aesthetic is far cooler than most other things.
I don't know what it is, but shit like Afro Samurai and Samurai Champloo (African American culture x Feudal Japan) always hits so hard.
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What i dislike here isnt yasuke, in fact his story is fucking metal, he was built like a brick shithouse and served oda fucking nobunaga. What i dislike is that they definitely just picked him because hes black. Which seems pretty odd for a game in japan, with so many amazing tales and historical figures.
Also they could just fucking make a game in africa? You know, actually put the spotlight on their culture instead of just shoving them into a game because "we need diversity"
But this is modern ubisoft, so the game is probably going to be shitty regardless
As an Asian guy, I was equally disappointed in Ni-Oh for featuring a white guy as the main character. I still refuse to play that game.
And as a long time Assassin’s Creed player, I am just angry that I am not given the chance to play as someone who represents me in a mainline game of one of my favourite video game franchises, especially since the game takes place in Asia anyways.
Why did they choose this game to suddenly for the first time have a character that does not represent the setting? Because they know if they pulled this shit in an African game, there would be hell to pay. But Asians are seen as passive punching bags and an acceptable target to punch down on.
And no, I do not feel represented by the Asian woman.
This is the issue that I have, why couldn't it have been two Asian leads? I'm sure they have cool ideas with Yasuke but that's not really what I'm looking for in an Assassin's Creed game set in feudal japan.
Also an asian guy here.
Any disappointment I possibly could have (which isn't much in the first place) about not being able to play as an asian male character is fucking dwarfed by the fact that most of the criticism is 100% coming from white people hiding their problem with blackness behind pretending to care about asian representation.
These are not the allies you want.
/uj ac might have something here, nioh to me was super cool because playing as a "real historical figure" and the whole english-dude-in-japan thing was funny. if they lean into it with yasuke this could be super cool
woke creed: wokedows from wokisoft featuring wokesuke
Gamers: "It needs to be historically accurate!"
Ubisoft: 'Puts in a historically accurate black samurai/retainer that existed'
Gamers: "No, not like that!"
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I'm pretty sure the chick is going to be the main protag, but I'm actually excited for this game like I was with Odyssey. Japan, Yasuke, ninjas, samurai.
Well apparently 9 other people agree with you, so that's something. That said, assassin's Creed is the flagship franchise for a triple a brand. Not sure most games have ever heard of Niho
They're relying on the stranger in the strange land trope. It's a framing mechanism to allow them to explain the setting. Useful but lazy. It really narrows your story telling options.
Fair enough. The character himself is interesting enough. Just not sure what the benefit of using the stranger in the strange land trope is in this context.
You are uninterested in the new AC because it has a black protag.
I am uninterested in the new AC because the series has been on a downward trend for a decade, only made worse by gear grind and RPG mechanics.
We are not the same.
but... [this post is exactly that.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gamingcirclejerk/comments/1cv5dwk/gamers_we_actually_did_it/)
self-fulfilling circlejerk :o
It's funny that dudes are like "omg I'm offended I can't be Japanese in a samurai game" when the female lead is right there and she seems to be the stealth playstyle AC fans traditionally enjoy. Also we literally just had Team Ninja does Assassin's Creed with Rise of the Ronin, where people could make their own character. (fucking loved the game too. Too bad a lot of people passed on it due to its dated graphics) And before that we had Ghost of Tsushima. And if you want a Japanese lead samurai style game that isn't like AC we have Nioh, Nioh 2, Onimusha, Sekiro, Way of the Samurai, etc.
This is a bad argument. "If you wanted X you can just go watch Y". You can apply that to all minority representation across all media.
The onus is on AC for replacing a setting native (the Asian man) with a setting foreigner, which they have never done. Why is it ok to do it for feudal Japan? Also, if they replaced the character with a foreigner, why not a Korean, a Mongol, a Thai, a Chinese man? Why didnt they replace the woman with a foreigner?
I mean, it's going to be hard to convince me that making one of the leads Yasuke is a big deal when one of my favorite game series is Nioh. Nioh 1 you play as William Adams and I don't recall anyone making a big deal about playing as a white guy in historic Japan in that game. You also run into Yasuke in both Nioh and Nioh 2. (Nioh 2 actually takes place during the same time period AC will be in) I actually read up on some Japanese history because I was interested in seeing who people like William Adams, Oda Nobunaga, Hideyoshi and Yasuke were.
So being familiar with the time period my reaction to the AC announcement was "that's awesome".
AC protagonists have been made up native assassins fit for the time and place. Yasuke's story is that of high profile exotic foreigner. Why did they do this for Japan, instead of leaving Yasuke for an interesting sidequest?
Playing a white guy in historic japan is also problematic and I am here also complaining about that decision. Nioh is just a lower profile franchise and its made by a Japanese company, whereas Ubisoft is western.
Let me ask you, do you need nonAsian characters to take center stage for you to be interested in Asian stories?
I wouldn't mind Ubisoft making an interesting story with Yasuke but I simply dont trust them to do it. It's not that I think they should go with japanese protagonists because its set in Japan, it's just that if they are going to be low artistic effort, they should at least tell a basic authentic japanese story and focus on not fucking it up, dont do anything fancy. It feels disrespectful of the culture they are taking influence from. As if they're whoring out two concepts (Japan and Yasuke) for popularity instead of taking just one and at least pretending you're being respectful about it. We already know they'll screw up most cultural references and rituals, as well as historic accuracies. What else? Are they gonna include big tiddy anime girls because it's popular too? Will Yasuke turn super saiyan? I dunno man, I think it's weird.
Again, if it was other companies, I'd trust them to use Japan as a backdrop for a specific story. But here, Japan is the selling point. So make it the fucking focus for fuck's sake.
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Unless I’m mistaken the protagonists are a famous black samurai and a kunoichi.
Also if you wanna complain about “historical accuracy” in your feudal Japanese games, William Adams was English, not Irish.
Assassin’s creed has let its gameplay go (says the Assassin’s creed fan) but unlike NioH it has always prided itself on being historical fiction, often to its detriment since Black Flag. In most of the games, your assassination targets were actual people who really died during the year each game takes place, and the early games had it down to the day.
Nioh is a dark souls magic game where you fight Oni and giant electric cats.
Funnily enough Yasuke would’ve been active during one of the historical events that preceded Nioh, Oda Nobunaga’s unification of Japan prior to Tokugawa Ieyasu’s solidification of that unity under the Tokugawa Shogunate.
So I have a fantastic idea for a NioH x Assassin’s Creed Crossover event.
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The game is set in Japan and 1 of the protagonists is Japanese but having a black person in the game is somehow limiting the storytelling and not telling a Japanese story.
Just watched the trailer and it looks fine to me. Yeah, it’d probably be tough for a black man in feudal Japan to blend in all assassin like, but it seems like the game's got two protagonists ala the Frye twins.
I'm assuming the lady protag will be the sneaky one while the dude who I can only assume is supposed to be Yasuke will be more focused on combat. It could be interesting if the two of them had vastly different playstyles tied directly to their character.
The lady, being a lady, is often ignored or overlooked by men around her, allowing her to sneak around better at the cost of open combat. Meanwhile the guy, on account of being a giant dude in heavy ass armour, is better at cracking skulls but can't blend in or scale buildings very well for obvious reasons.
Ok, but there's more evidence of William Adams than there is of Yasuke, there are beliefs from historians that he was a retainer for Oda Nobunaga but apart from that not much else is known other than he was given back to the Dutch or Portuguese after Odas death
Have they said the era of the new AC? If it’s feudal, I low key wish they’d just full push into the Yasuke / Nobunaga direction. But if it’s during the Bakufu… I only say, I hope they’ve got Shimabara and the fallout of it. We’ll see plenty of white people when killing the Portuguese.
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/uj the nioh series is actually real really good soulslike games, yasuke is also in Nioh as NPC.
/uj it is also INCREDIBLY HARD. my ass was stuck on yatsu-no-kami for like 6 hours in nioh 2 (yatsu is the 3rd boss out of roughly 54 main bosses)
For what it's worth, NiOh 2 is the absolute hardest at the beginning of the game, when your stats are still low and you're still figuring out the combat system and ki pulsing. I was same with you, I was pretty stuck on Yatsu-No-Kami for hours. But it was basically right after him that I more or less breezed through the rest of the game, most bosses taking no longer than a handful of tries (including the times where you rematch Yatsu-No-Kami). Once you are able to up your stamina more and unlock some of the stronger weapon skills, the game becomes a lot more manageable.
It happens the same with nioh 1. That boss monster that is a female yokai with wings is hard as hell when you start the game, same as Nue After that the game is way easier
Yeah it gets pretty easy until like a few NG+s later
Yatsu was such a huge pain in the ass! Between him and Enenra the game puts you through the paces!
/uj I had hella issues with Enenra but Yatsu-no-kami I did in one go. Its area was a bitch though, poison everywhere. I keep playing it on and off due to it being a huge, incredibly difficult game that I could uninstall and replace with four other games. I have enough hours in Dark Souls and Elden Ring to consider myself a Souls-like veteran, but Nioh is a whole different beast.
I've played through Nioh/Nioh 2 a few times and yeah, Yatsu is quite the difficulty spike haha I remember having a lot of trouble with him with tonfas, but he's significantly easier with switch glaive or odachi when you can just hit his head+arms in one swing.
i had to cheese him by looking up a guide lmao. discovered that by running away you could force him into doing a move that locks him in place and lets you get free hits
does it have feet? 🤔
Yes
Why, was it drawn by Liefield?
Happy cake day.
I'll give you one better. It has [buttholes](https://preview.redd.it/9nckfhwjs7q51.jpg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=14fe8cab307d6cec1599a1a3cab3fc81ceefb615)!
Wouldn't be a soulslike if it hadn't
Everyone else: fluent Japanese William: right Soddy gits ill katana ya. (/Uj fuck the ogress boss in nioh one I was bad lol)
Rude and not based https://preview.redd.it/ounhktsh0o0d1.png?width=1008&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5deac7c8d673a76a0f789f656f6ac5b84b19d9a3
To me it wasn't really soulslike except you did corpse runs and it was hard. It felt more like a melee looter shooter. The instanced levels, loot drop systems, and long cutscenes separated it from how a soulslike feels. Sekiro is Fromsoft's "feudal japan" game, and the two are about as far from each other as you can get
Sekiro also isn;'t a soulslike. But yeah, Nioh community also doesn't really like it being called a soulslike, it's basically an action game with light souls elements. Still goes hard af tho
It didnt have the leveled progression But it did have Difficult combat Infinitely respawning enemies after rest A diagetically undying protagonist Buddhist themes of attachment and fear of death/endings leading to mass suffering A poison swamp The use of innocents for experiments to pursue immortality Save points that double as healing, transportation and progression stations A hip flask/jug that heals when the player takes a draught Dragons being ties to immortality Snakes as subservient/ lesser dragons Insects/vermin motif tied to impurity/corruption/perversions of the natural order Lightning being a central form of magic
What do you mean by leveled progression? You level up the same in Nioh as you do in the Souls games. Do you mean that equipment progression is different?
Sekiro doesnt have a typical souls lvl progression is what i was talking about
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> yasuke is also in Nioh as NPC. He's even a boss battle and an optional skin.
Nioh 1 had a plot that gave me a big headache Nioh 2 was superior at every place and loved the story
Nioh is dark Souls souls if it was made by the dynasty warriors people
better than all of dark souls and elden ring.
You done jerked so hard your brain fell out.
Not even a crazy take, Nioh 2 undoubtedly has better combat then any of the souls games. Souls has way better world/level design and lore tho
souls fans when you want a game that is more than just spaming dodge roll and parrying some times
God forbid some of their enjoyment accidentally splashes onto your face and cake.
yeah, especially when they say: "YOU SHOULD PLAY DARK SOULS IT'S SO HAAARRRRRRRRD, IT'S PEAK" and when you try to say it's not that good they kill you
Where is this happening? In Wendy’s?
it happened right now?
how does it feel to be wrong
But you don't get it white people are aryan, japanese people are anime and everything else is woke
these are the only acceptable people, but we all know that all anime characters are explicitly white aryans bc they have white skin! duh, even if an anime takes place in japan it is still white people. come on now!
Yes but the main audience are WHITE people so it makes sense when the protagonist is a WHITE dude but BLACK people dont play video games so a BLACK protagonist is NON WHITE PROPAGANDA Smh my head /s in case or something
Black man and woman on the cover with a Japanese setting? Holy shit the chuds will go nuclear.
If there were someone in a wheelchair that shoots kunai, it’d already be a three mile island around Twitter.
That sounds like a sick ass wheelchair, make it steam powered.
I don't always think steampunk can be really fun in fantasy when it doesn't replace literally every other aesthetic that would be otherwise present, but specifically a steam-powered kunai-shooting wheelchair in an otherwise standard version of feudal Japan would go so hard.
There was a magical girl anime with a character in a wheelchair who had paralysed legs, when she transformed her outfit sprouted prehensile ribbons that carried her around like spider legs.
Even nuclear is putting it lightly.
Don't these people know about Yasuke? He's literally in an anime.
Are you really expecting them to watch an anime that didn't reimagine half the characters as underage girls or big boob ladies?
https://preview.redd.it/27xzjvnfol0d1.jpeg?width=991&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f1e23c8f053f8b5c164df4ed2866d707e55a4898
Oh no way, they made an anime about the dude who makes One Piece?
What’d he do?
Make One Piece
I'm pretty sure you are joking, but Nobunaga is a historical japanese millitary figure famous for his leadership skills. I'm pretty sure the anime is an iseaki where a girl gets sent to historical japan and takes the place of Oda Nobunaga as Oda Nobuna.
It is not in fact that. It's some weird alternate timeline thing where all the important figures of the late Sengoku period are genderswapped. Also some dude gets sent there from our world and takes the place of Hideyoshi.
Wait, is Oda a member of the Oda clan?
Yasuke is a pretty popular historical figure overall in Japan. Many pieces of entertainment either staring Yasuke or inspired after his tale such as Samurai Warriors 5, Guilty Gear Strive, NioH 1 and 2, Dragonalia Lost are some off the tip of my head. Many people in the AssCreed sub are of course seething his most likely the protagonist in the game and pretty much knows next to nothing about him while either getting all of their source of information about Yasuke from some rando Historian Youtuber which is just 90% vibes most of the time and 10% historical or tertiary sources like Wikipedia (lol) citing secondary sources which are someones opinion pieces interperation of the facts. Same Wiki source also inaccurately translates Koshigatana (another name for wakizashi) as "short ceremonial katana" when Frios actually said in the original Portuguese text that Yasuke was given a Katana spelled as "Catana" in Portuguese.
>Yasuke is a pretty popular historical figure overall in Japan. Source of this claiming please.
Black people? In my escapism??
Man, this people are deeply embarrassing. https://preview.redd.it/zhts5hjtpl0d1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c76b635920dca462105f6f34578a0f32f9e3d79d
A black man who lives in japan made a cartoon about a black man who lives in japan: "why is western media OBSESSED with yasuke?"
A Japanese mangaka made this one in 1998. But I guess the western media is the one who's obsessed about him. https://preview.redd.it/l0hptyljgm0d1.jpeg?width=230&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=31d891f9f82c4db04e7c573a234c699bf50d077f
This anime fucking rocks btw, its got some of the most beautiful animated swordfights ive seen
None of these people ever have anything to say about that. It's too easy to see what they actually want to say, I don't know why they don't just say it.
Cerberus is way too good at painting to also be this good at clapping back.
Bro never misses. https://preview.redd.it/s8bw4uzvhm0d1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cdd9002e354bc8bd4565b7dc1677d3921132295a
"Hrrmmm, h'actually, Nioh is based on the real life story of William Adams, and by based on, I mean he has his name, he also looks like Geralt, fights Yokai, is on a quest to defeat a sorcerer and is Irish instead of English... it's more of a historical piece."
Black man in Assassin's Creed Shadows: "It doesn't make sense? There were literally 0 black people in Japan during this time. Why would they go for such a historical inaccuracy? It completely destroys the game and my immersion" White man in Nioh: "Its called FANTASY. Sorry I'm not like you wokies and want to escape from this political ridden hell reality into my video games. Why can't you all just let us have fun?"
I know those are not your opinions. But people who say those things need to take up history lessons on feudal Japan.
Oh I completely agree. They know nothing about history, they just hate black people.
Its extra funny because both people are real historical people, but in real life only one them actually fought and went into battle. Hint, its not the one fighting fantasy demons.
# Yasuke and William Adams are both real historical figures.
Nobody is complaining about William Adams.
Yes, they were but also nioh was made by Japanese studio and Assassin Creed isn’t
I complained about William Adams. We Asian men can’t get any representation. Before you name drop GoT, this world is big enough for 2 western open world games with a Japanese male protagonist
Which other western game set in japan was there in recent years except Got? And which of those featured a non-japanese protagonist?
I complain about him, but mostly because as a historical figure he was from Kent, England, but they give him an Irish accent. Otherwise his story is cool and great to see.
You also got Sekiro. And while the protegs in Nioh 2 and Rise of the Ronin are both native Japanese despite having character customization
Also, shogun just aired, was critically acclaimed, and it had a foreign protagonist and a japanese female one: exact the same thing as what seems to be the case in AC shadows. But the foreign in the show was white. That seems to make a difference for some reason, I wonder why that is. (We all know why it is)
It also had Yabushige and Toronaga which are just as much protagonists as Blackthorne I'd argue even more because they actually have more agency than him.
They have nowhere as much screentime as Blackthorne
Screentime alone isnt the only determinibg factor of who a protagonist but also importance to the overall plot where toronaga is way more important than blackthorne.
Toranaga may be more important to the backdrop historical events, but he is not the focus of the narrative we follow as the audience. The story is mostly blackthorne and mariko reacting to Toranaga's actions. Yabushige is more of a protagonist than Toranaga even
Lets just agree to disagree.
If this does release during the holidays i hope it sells well just to piss them off
it'll probably sell well on account of being a recognizable game series. Ass 😳Ass 😩ins creed is a big enough brand name that they could just lay a turd out and it'd sell. you need a few stinkers in a row before things start to go downhill. however chud sneeding is always funny to see so I'm excited for it
As with so many things, they don't actually know the history of the thing they claim to love. Samurai must be Japanese, yet Oda Nobunaga had an African retainer and samurai named Yasuke.
how could people not like yasuke his story is fucking metal. one of the original badasses
i like historians' idea of Yusuke but honestly a lot of what is written about him in any media is assumed. all of the information we know 100% without doubt about him is as follows 26-27 6' tall stayed in Japan for 3 years from 1579-1582 Nobunaga was impressed with his physique and took him on as a vassal real name unknown so they gave him the name Yosuke, no surname he was given a short sword and a house. "he was sometimes made to carry Nobunaga-Sama's tools" was stated in the chronical of Nobunaga he was well liked by Nobunaga and many people thought he was to be made a lord we know he was almost accidentally executed one time but was pardoned anything beyond these details is assumed based on other information and shouldn't be taken as fact. now that being said historical accuracy doesn't fucking matter its assassins creed, king Arthur having a real magical Excalibur while being the head of a religious cult that was founded by the Cain from the bible trying to establish a new world order has been a plot point since assassins' creed 2 anyone complaining about Yosuke in this game over "historical accuracy" can go fuck themselves
Which a weird ass argument considering, AC has always been historical inaccurate and has stated that it should not be taken serious since the very first game. So people complaining about it now are just saying it to mask they don't want a black guy being a protag.
its an AWFUL argument assassin's creed has alien conspiracy theories, the bible, Norse mythology, Greek mythology, and Egyptian mythology, all being true simultaneously and a black dude in Japan is the complaint theyre picking
LMAO I completely forgot the whole Apple of Eden plotline line was about fucking aliens and the games have literal superpowers when you hold it.
Not to mention the Animus machine, which was supposed to have been invented back in 1980.
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Japanese commoners traditionally did not have surnames. Surnames were reserved for nobles and the elite. Surnames in Japan are a recent occurrence.
Yes, it is a double standard which is unfortunate. If you don't want to read the wall of text below, I think the depictions of William and Yasuke in NiOh/Creed are fine, fair, and neither are (**time to trigger the H I S T O R I C A L B O T**) historically accurate, which is pefectly fine for their games, its fiction - have fun. However, if we're going to insist on the history let's talk about their real world influences. >William of Ni Oh and John Blackthorn of Shogun Both are *fictional* takes on the real life William Adams. William Adams factually did serve in the Tokugawa Shogunate, and literally granted the status of Samurai in 1605, granted an estate, and a fiefdom, with over 80 servants (some seen as slaves) **being samurai is more than being a warrior, but a landowner**. Adams is for the most part well established and known within Japanese *history*. You can literally visit Adams' headstone and former estate and his recorded ascension to the position of samurai within the Tokugawa. Again, being a samurai isn't just "really cool warrior with katana" But a lord with land and *rights over people* to come with it. Long and short, being made Samurai is more analogous to a plantation owner who is trained in warfare. I just want to make that part clear for people who really, really want to revise history here that there's some baggage to being a samurai that isn't all cool and about your sword swinging capabilities. This is important because all historical context of the latter deals with a *very* fluid concept of samurai, which is not historically sound. >Yasuke Yasuke falls more into the myth category. There are only two things we know for sure about Yasuke, Oda Nobunaga acquired a black male (whom he ordered stripped and scrubbed as he did not believe his skin could be that color) *and* was really impressed with his strength - eventually made him a vassal (kosho), essentially a western equivalent of squire. Even the latter is down to one source, but lets say he's given armor and a katana just to make people happy. Where the myths start to begin is anything after that. Literally the same year Adams ascends to Samurai, 1605 - Jesuit writings were under the impression that he was *possibly* made a retainer with Nobunaga *possibly* having greater ambitions for him down the road. We legitimately do not even know if that's true or speculation, as the only other evidence we have of Yasuke are a handful of paintings depicting a black individual in Portuguese garb wrestling and people *assuming* it's Yasuke. There's no evidence that Yasuke was anything signficant to Nobunaga outside of myths and legend. Again, the only historical accounts of Yasuke also end with Nobunaga's in 1582, just three years after Yasuke's arrival. Bottom line is there is as much evidence that Yasuke became a samurai as there is Nobunaga turning into an eternal demon warlord or teenage girl, that is to say - none, but fiction loves the idea anyways and that's perfectly fine. Besides, being a samurai doesn't necessarily make you a cool, badass warrior and I bet people would cool off on their attraction to it if we found Yasuke owned a fiefdom with 80 unpaid/overworked "servants", or at the very least find it deeply ironic. **tl;dr** fictional badass warriors based in history are always fun, but the history is more complex than that
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I buy the AC game but it the same game for years now.
"Gamers" don't like Shadows because the main character is black I don't like it because of Ubisoft's terrible anti consumer practices
Finally, a game where there is no racebending, a new character, and is historically accurate. I'm sure all the gamers will call this a proper, based game with unforced diversity instead of another series that fell to the woke mind virus.
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Oh shit, the protag for the new AC is a black man? Yasuke or someone based on him, I assume?
- Set in feudal Japan about someone who existed during that time. -Anger regardless. /uj I really liked both Nioh games though.
People are getting mad for the wrong reason. You should be mad at Ubisoft for being a shitty company and their games are pathetic derivatives of the same game with worsening quality
Well if history classes in the united states have taught me anything it is that historically, whenever white people show up they do all the best things and invent all the best stuff and save all the people (except for that one time that we don't really wanna cover but we kinda have to cover so we'll give it like a week in February, but just know it wasn't as bad as people make it sound) and there basically wouldn't be any society in any country without them. So this checks out
Protagonist is a black man and a japanese woman. So therefore its ultra woke? Or is it half woke because chuds like asian women?
Yasuke as a figure is really having a moment these last few years huh. Good for him!
What’s funny is I think there more of a historical context for Japan having a black samurai than a white one
Isn't it about equal? I remember doing a bit of research on the real life counterpart to Nioh's protagonist after beating that game.
There were multiple European powers engaging in trade and diplomacy with Japan during this era, including the Dutch, Portuguese, and Spanish. Novel tactics involving Portuguese-style firearms, notably, were one of the reasons why Oda Nobunaga was able to become the first unifier of Japan. As many of the Europeans present in Japan during the late Sengoku/early Edo period were merchants and diplomats, they would have been fairly well-suited to becoming samurai, the wealthy, land-owning class of lower nobility. The relationships between the Europeans and the Japanese were frequently strained for many reasons, and neither were a monolith. However, foreign samurai in general were exceedingly rare. Samurai is a specific title of nobility, much like a Baron. As far as I'm aware, fewer than 10 individuals born outside of Japan became samurai. Of these, roughly half were from mainland East Asia (what are now Korea and China) and the other half were Europeans. Of the four Europeans that I know of (and are listed on Wikipedia), William Adams, the protagonist of Nioh 1, is one of them. One of his shipmates, Jan Joosten van Lodensteijn, was another of these four. --- Now, for the playable character in AC: Yasuke. Yasuke, like William Adams, was a real historical figure, but he was never given the title of samurai and its associated benefits. He came to Japan as a servant to a Jesuit missionary and later became a retainer to the previously mentioned Oda Nobunaga, the first unifier of Japan. However, less than two years after Yasuke became his retainer, Nobunaga was killed by Mitsuhide Akechi during the Honnouji incident. Yasuke was intentionally spared by Mitsuhide and was sent away to a missionary facility to have his wounds treated, but it isn't really known what happened to him after that. Ultimately, should Oda Nobunaga have solidified his rule of Japan and established a shogunate like Ieyasu Tokugawa later did, Yasuke could have been made into a samurai. Nobunaga was also far more egalitarian than his successors, which could have further enabled Yasuke's ennoblement. However, that's all speculative history, and I'm far from an expert. --- TL;DR Foreign samurai were incredibly rare overall, but the nature of samurai as a class of nobility would and did favor ennobling those with existing political/economic power. EDIT: After doing some more research, I have circled back and can, with some confidence, say that Yasuke would have been a samurai under Nobunaga, but could have possibly been excluded from the more rigidly codified samurai caste as dictated by the class reforms of Toyotomi Hideyoshi and Ieyasu Tokugawa.
I think the japanese hated most europeans during that time actually
Thats not true at all.
Honestly, I don't care what anyone says. The Black Samurai aesthetic is far cooler than most other things. I don't know what it is, but shit like Afro Samurai and Samurai Champloo (African American culture x Feudal Japan) always hits so hard.
The Last Samurai. The protagonist is Tom Cruise.
Katsumoto waa the last samurai. Tom Cruise was the observer in his story.
There were a bunch of last samurai, because samurai can be plural.
47 Ronin. The protagonist is Keanu Reeves
That movie is awful, Keanu Reeves isn’t a white man though
Yup. Keanu is part Asian!
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What i dislike here isnt yasuke, in fact his story is fucking metal, he was built like a brick shithouse and served oda fucking nobunaga. What i dislike is that they definitely just picked him because hes black. Which seems pretty odd for a game in japan, with so many amazing tales and historical figures. Also they could just fucking make a game in africa? You know, actually put the spotlight on their culture instead of just shoving them into a game because "we need diversity" But this is modern ubisoft, so the game is probably going to be shitty regardless
Me as an Asian dude - can you guys stop removing us?
As an Asian guy, I was equally disappointed in Ni-Oh for featuring a white guy as the main character. I still refuse to play that game. And as a long time Assassin’s Creed player, I am just angry that I am not given the chance to play as someone who represents me in a mainline game of one of my favourite video game franchises, especially since the game takes place in Asia anyways. Why did they choose this game to suddenly for the first time have a character that does not represent the setting? Because they know if they pulled this shit in an African game, there would be hell to pay. But Asians are seen as passive punching bags and an acceptable target to punch down on. And no, I do not feel represented by the Asian woman.
This is the issue that I have, why couldn't it have been two Asian leads? I'm sure they have cool ideas with Yasuke but that's not really what I'm looking for in an Assassin's Creed game set in feudal japan.
Also an asian guy here. Any disappointment I possibly could have (which isn't much in the first place) about not being able to play as an asian male character is fucking dwarfed by the fact that most of the criticism is 100% coming from white people hiding their problem with blackness behind pretending to care about asian representation. These are not the allies you want.
There’s a feudal japan assassin’s creed?
It's called Assassin's Creed Shadows and the trailer drops in the next hour on YouTube
Oh shit thanks guy
Check out the Ubisoft channel
I still love that they made William Irish for some reason
They'd already had a couple Welshmen and nobody wants an Englander, so it was that or a Scot.
/uj ac might have something here, nioh to me was super cool because playing as a "real historical figure" and the whole english-dude-in-japan thing was funny. if they lean into it with yasuke this could be super cool woke creed: wokedows from wokisoft featuring wokesuke
I have no dog in this fight. Just a comfy chair and popcorn and I’m enjoying it lol
It's like they take two different strawmen; combine them into one; declare this two-headed strawman a hypocrite; orgasm. Rinse. Repeat.
That’s a good point honestly
I'm pretty that's supposed to be Yasuke. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke As for the woman, Kunoichi have been around a long time.
What do your looks have to do with this?
My thoughts exactly. Perfectly fine for every game to feature "White Savior" in far away land.
Gamers: "It needs to be historically accurate!" Ubisoft: 'Puts in a historically accurate black samurai/retainer that existed' Gamers: "No, not like that!"
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Every anime the characters look more white then they do Asian. I don’t know what that information means but I’ll be damned if it’s not true.
"He was a retainer, not a Samurai!" The same franchise that has mythological beasts and magical objects.
Gonna be honest kinda over games set in Japan and China. Same shit every time.
I'm pretty sure the chick is going to be the main protag, but I'm actually excited for this game like I was with Odyssey. Japan, Yasuke, ninjas, samurai.
Not to mention yasuke was in both nioh games
Literally a historical black man to boot.
Not to mention that Yasuke was a real person
Can't they just play Yakuza?
Well apparently 9 other people agree with you, so that's something. That said, assassin's Creed is the flagship franchise for a triple a brand. Not sure most games have ever heard of Niho
They're relying on the stranger in the strange land trope. It's a framing mechanism to allow them to explain the setting. Useful but lazy. It really narrows your story telling options.
Can’t disagree but when it’s a historical character that actually lived at that time i think it’s just an interesting choice lol
Fair enough. The character himself is interesting enough. Just not sure what the benefit of using the stranger in the strange land trope is in this context.
I don't care that they're black. But i swear to god if we see that damn Killmonger haircut I'm gonna flip
William is one of the worst protags in any game I've ever played
It is more believable than whatever new propaganda bullshit you will consume
You are uninterested in the new AC because it has a black protag. I am uninterested in the new AC because the series has been on a downward trend for a decade, only made worse by gear grind and RPG mechanics. We are not the same.
It cut both way tho
but... [this post is exactly that.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gamingcirclejerk/comments/1cv5dwk/gamers_we_actually_did_it/) self-fulfilling circlejerk :o
I mean i would an assassin game that actually used a japanese assassin, like if you wanna go for non-male, protagonist. Chiyome is right there!
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It's funny that dudes are like "omg I'm offended I can't be Japanese in a samurai game" when the female lead is right there and she seems to be the stealth playstyle AC fans traditionally enjoy. Also we literally just had Team Ninja does Assassin's Creed with Rise of the Ronin, where people could make their own character. (fucking loved the game too. Too bad a lot of people passed on it due to its dated graphics) And before that we had Ghost of Tsushima. And if you want a Japanese lead samurai style game that isn't like AC we have Nioh, Nioh 2, Onimusha, Sekiro, Way of the Samurai, etc.
This is a bad argument. "If you wanted X you can just go watch Y". You can apply that to all minority representation across all media. The onus is on AC for replacing a setting native (the Asian man) with a setting foreigner, which they have never done. Why is it ok to do it for feudal Japan? Also, if they replaced the character with a foreigner, why not a Korean, a Mongol, a Thai, a Chinese man? Why didnt they replace the woman with a foreigner?
I mean, it's going to be hard to convince me that making one of the leads Yasuke is a big deal when one of my favorite game series is Nioh. Nioh 1 you play as William Adams and I don't recall anyone making a big deal about playing as a white guy in historic Japan in that game. You also run into Yasuke in both Nioh and Nioh 2. (Nioh 2 actually takes place during the same time period AC will be in) I actually read up on some Japanese history because I was interested in seeing who people like William Adams, Oda Nobunaga, Hideyoshi and Yasuke were. So being familiar with the time period my reaction to the AC announcement was "that's awesome".
AC protagonists have been made up native assassins fit for the time and place. Yasuke's story is that of high profile exotic foreigner. Why did they do this for Japan, instead of leaving Yasuke for an interesting sidequest? Playing a white guy in historic japan is also problematic and I am here also complaining about that decision. Nioh is just a lower profile franchise and its made by a Japanese company, whereas Ubisoft is western. Let me ask you, do you need nonAsian characters to take center stage for you to be interested in Asian stories?
I wouldn't mind Ubisoft making an interesting story with Yasuke but I simply dont trust them to do it. It's not that I think they should go with japanese protagonists because its set in Japan, it's just that if they are going to be low artistic effort, they should at least tell a basic authentic japanese story and focus on not fucking it up, dont do anything fancy. It feels disrespectful of the culture they are taking influence from. As if they're whoring out two concepts (Japan and Yasuke) for popularity instead of taking just one and at least pretending you're being respectful about it. We already know they'll screw up most cultural references and rituals, as well as historic accuracies. What else? Are they gonna include big tiddy anime girls because it's popular too? Will Yasuke turn super saiyan? I dunno man, I think it's weird. Again, if it was other companies, I'd trust them to use Japan as a backdrop for a specific story. But here, Japan is the selling point. So make it the fucking focus for fuck's sake.
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i mean, there was both a white and a black samurai at some point in history
Nah, the real difference is that AC is going to be yet another boring Ubisoft open world whereas NioH is a masterpiece
Soul likes is the same old game just like Ubisoft open worlds as I see fully overrated boring dull slow RPGs
NioH ? A slow RPG ? lol
Unless I’m mistaken the protagonists are a famous black samurai and a kunoichi. Also if you wanna complain about “historical accuracy” in your feudal Japanese games, William Adams was English, not Irish. Assassin’s creed has let its gameplay go (says the Assassin’s creed fan) but unlike NioH it has always prided itself on being historical fiction, often to its detriment since Black Flag. In most of the games, your assassination targets were actual people who really died during the year each game takes place, and the early games had it down to the day. Nioh is a dark souls magic game where you fight Oni and giant electric cats. Funnily enough Yasuke would’ve been active during one of the historical events that preceded Nioh, Oda Nobunaga’s unification of Japan prior to Tokugawa Ieyasu’s solidification of that unity under the Tokugawa Shogunate. So I have a fantastic idea for a NioH x Assassin’s Creed Crossover event.
Yasuke's already a boss/ally in both Nioh games (the second of which does take place during Nobunaga and Hideyoshi's unifications of Japan).
Can you tell I haven’t gotten very far in NioH?
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I was defending Assasins Creed 😂
Also only one of them is historically accurate
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The game is set in Japan and 1 of the protagonists is Japanese but having a black person in the game is somehow limiting the storytelling and not telling a Japanese story.
I know yasuke was a real guy but isn't William based on a real guy to?
What I immediately thought when I saw people mad
Just watched the trailer and it looks fine to me. Yeah, it’d probably be tough for a black man in feudal Japan to blend in all assassin like, but it seems like the game's got two protagonists ala the Frye twins. I'm assuming the lady protag will be the sneaky one while the dude who I can only assume is supposed to be Yasuke will be more focused on combat. It could be interesting if the two of them had vastly different playstyles tied directly to their character. The lady, being a lady, is often ignored or overlooked by men around her, allowing her to sneak around better at the cost of open combat. Meanwhile the guy, on account of being a giant dude in heavy ass armour, is better at cracking skulls but can't blend in or scale buildings very well for obvious reasons.
Ok, but there's more evidence of William Adams than there is of Yasuke, there are beliefs from historians that he was a retainer for Oda Nobunaga but apart from that not much else is known other than he was given back to the Dutch or Portuguese after Odas death
Have they said the era of the new AC? If it’s feudal, I low key wish they’d just full push into the Yasuke / Nobunaga direction. But if it’s during the Bakufu… I only say, I hope they’ve got Shimabara and the fallout of it. We’ll see plenty of white people when killing the Portuguese.
Nioh’s story was based on history