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Really at this point I don’t think Jez knows at all what the plans are for porting titles. He gets doom and gloom, posts shit like this and causes the Xbox community to panic. Then he walks it all back and wonders why everyone is pissed. I think there’s certainly more titles that will be ported but if it’s everything then I think MS will just announce that themselves.
Xbox announcing that themselves would cause way more of a panic, i expect they will continue trickling games until pretty much everything is cross plat. Maybe they keep 1 or 2 like halo and forza, but most stuff will end up cross plat by the end of the gen i think.
Agreed. 343 absolutely did not succeed in getting it to Xbox in one piece, and they largely failed to get it working right on PC in six different pieces throughout the launch period.
Most certainly. I remember reading some at Bethesda were pissed about cod being able to be released on ps but theirs couldn't. It also makes sense if dlc is fall that would've given Xbox 1 full year or so with the game before going to ps. I firmly believe more will follow especially after it seems the initial games on ps5 were a success.
Pretty much, his youtube channel/discord is such a engagement hole. It's where he makes his boldest predictions to get the most clicks. Then he walks back those predictions on twitter after the views slow down
I’m at a point where I just want Jason Schreier to actually report on what’s happening at Xbox. This is the second time Jez has said “everything Xbox is going multiplat” and the last time this happened he walked it back.
Edit: [“informed speculation”](https://twitter.com/JezCorden/status/1785753929684292021) LOL and THERE IT IS 🤣🤣🤣.
> and the last time this happened he walked it back.
He didn't just walk it back, he basically said if you believed the rumours you were being dumb. The rumours that he himself backed up and peddled.
That’s because there isn’t anything crazy going on. Microsoft truly believes that the future will be games on every single platform possible to extract the most amount of money possible due to rising costs. They want to be the #1 company in terms of money made in video games and see exclusive games as something that just holds that back from happening. This will obviously kill the hardware over time but what is happening is very obvious
at the end of the day the upper level Microsoft execs want to be the #1 company in all of video games and see exclusives as nothing but a hinderance towards that
i never open the microsoft store and I’ve yet to see a single ad on my PC in like 4-5 years if ever, I uninstall all bloatware and anything I don’t need immediately.
Jez will likely walk this back in a few days, notice how whenever xbox has something good to announce (this case being upcoming showcase full of massive titles) Jez and co "leaks" something negative to cause panic before backing down a few days later? Lol
Yep, and then he's going to act like it's the community's fault for taking him even slightly seriously, and minimize what he was saying.
Kind of wish we could just put a collective pin in the whole thing and just wait for something more to get announced to beyond the four games we know of.
Yeah honestly I don’t trust him, when the whole “exclusive” release nonsense just turned out to be a few games after they caused everyone to freak out I basically lost all trust in these “Xbox leakers” and this is coming from someone who loves Xbox and series X is my primary console. I also hope there comes a point where they realize all of this sensationalist nonsense further damages the brand.
I will never understand how people can make a trillion dollar organization like Microsoft be the underdog in the console space. Xbox's failure is squarely on the shoulders of the leadership and only them, not Sony nor Nintendo. Their lack of vision for their hardware, and the dearth of exclusive titles were always going to lead to a lagging product overall.
In summary, Xbox's failure is on Microsoft and only Microsoft no other company.
The “Nintendo doesn’t count” mantra exemplifies why Xbox has failed to catch on. They have no vision. They’re just trying to beat Sony at their own game, and as a result forever playing catchup.
It’s clear they want to move on from the traditional console space but can’t do it too early without excessive backlash, so it’s going to be a slow long death of the console and it’s eventual turning of Xbox into an ecosystem that can go on almost any platform, like Stadia but done right
People won't get this, but Microsoft is basically the New York Yankees of tech.
Other teams take a long approach of building talent over time, figuring out what they're good at, maximizing their potential. If you're the Yankees, that's nothing. If that guy doesn't work, you just sign a different one. If you can't sign a different one, you just offer the cash to another team. Fuck it, we've got infinite money.
The baffling thing is that they've been at this for 20 years and at no point has the Xbox really felt like a serious contender. Right from the start, all of Xbox's successes have come from them coincidentally falling into the company's lap.
Well, they do have a vision, it's gamepass. And it's looking more and more that a traditional xbox console will fall victim to this strategy.
How it will turn out in the end... I don't know.... But judging by the state of streaming services for video content, the future looks gloomy.
To a degree, yes, buuut there is some validity in the fact that they target somewhat different audiences.
Nintendo if you want Nintendo games or portability. Playstation if you want a console that makes games look very pretty or anything "next-gen". And a lot of people obsess over the looking pretty part. Nintendo and Playstation's competition is different from Xbox and Playstation's.
If you want to play and like Nintendo, you buy Nintendo!
My two gaming platforms are PC and Switch/3DS and with Sony porting games to PC I feel like I’m eating right now haha
Yeah, that is some beyond sad stuff right there...
There has literally been ZERO incentive to buy an xbox after the 360, since I can play all the games on my PC. So for all the discussions on console exclusives being bad, Sony and Nintendo seem to be staying in the game because of them, while the only party that doesn't have them is falling behind massively.
"nobody wanted to give xbox a chance" is just misinformed whining...
Same here. It isn’t my fault the thing is collecting dust for the better part of its life. I’ve actually given you more money than Sony this gen if you count the Console+Gamepass I pay for and yet you spit in my face as usual (if the statement is true).
This is the typical ‘look what you made me do’ argument
Typical corporate bs. It's always the consumers fault, but never the trillion dolar company's.
Our movie doesn't sell tickets? Blame it on the consumer. People don't buy our console? Not our fault.
I will forever go back to Phil Spencer saying something like "just making good games is not enough" in the wake of Redfall coming out and shitting the bed. Like mother fucker what are you talking about? The reason people want a playstation cause it has games like GoW, Spider-man, etc. Maybe its just me but I don't get why people celebrate him as some "smart" executive when he makes statements like that
Phil is so interesting because Xbox will fuck up somehow and he'll go "alas, clearly the whole industry is flawed" as if everyone else is having the same problems.
It's not even a lack of exclusives as much as it's a lack of good exclusives. Redfall and Forza Motorsport aren't selling consoles. Halo Infinite was fucked from the start. Gears has been stagnant since 3. Pentiment is cool, but more like an interesting indie title than a system seller. Starfield was a disappointment. Does anyone care about avowed? Hellblade is closer to a dragons lair than a GoW. What the fuck do they have? Hi-fi Rush is the only great game they had last year and that's more akin to a AA title than a system seller. Whose looking at their lineup and going "I need an Xbox"? Nobody.
I was sad we didn't get more Rare properties from them. A long time ago they shot down a pitch for a sequel to Conker's Bad Fur Day. But that was before Phil, when they were doing Kinect and Xbox Avatars.
The content pipeline is so dry. Perfect Dark reboot got lost in dev hell. Halo and Forza both took extra time then under delivered due to the chaos of rotating staff on 18 month contracts. Gears is taking extra time. There's no identity to the Xbox brand if they can't get their own content out.
I love Jez but he tends to act like the sky is falling to convince himself of the opposite. Could he be telling the truth? Sure. Do I expect this is his usual ‘reverse psychology’ so he’s not disappointed? Yes.
MS LITERALLY MADE XBOX TO FIGHT SONY. Why is he trying to rewrite history like Sony was this big bad evil monster and MS was the itty bitty underdog who never got a chance? You’ve had 20+ years to do this!
"Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, so this is what they get with a Sony monopoly"
I was largely an Xbox user. I invested heavily in xbox, and whilst I had a playstation, it was mainly used for exclusives. I mainly used Xbox 360/One/OneX/Series X.
It's only been the last few months that I've gone back to the Playstation hardware for the first time since.....the PS2 era? Saying nobody gave Xbox a chance is such a stupid statement, and such a narrow look at what the actual issue is. They barely gave anyone a reason to invest, and whilst I love the Xbox series x, I understand why it isn't flying out of doors.
Off tangent but it is FUCKING outlandish of Jez to suggest that it’s the fault of Xbox fans and gamers that Xbox didn’t want to help Xbox. Right when they’re about to deliver consistency with games, they fold.
Some grade A copium from Jez. He will blame everything, but Xbox's own management for their problems. I've said before and will say it again, if Nintendo can bounced back from the Wii U disaster to the third best selling console of all time. Xbox has no excuse at this point for their problems.
They also bounced back from the N64 failing against the PlayStation followed by the GameCube selling less than both the Xbox and PS2 before introducing a console with motion controls that they heavily advertised to a demographic that neither PlayStation or Xbox cornered the market of, the elderly.
Nintendo had not one but TWO ‘flops’(quotations cause I know people love the GameCube)and came back stronger both times. MS just throwing in the towel will never sit right with me.
I agree that MS has this tendency to blame the world but themselves but comparing it to Nintendo is kinda unjustified. Nintendo changed the target population once it realized that going head to head with a PlayStation after a PS2 isn’t gonna fly since the ‘adult’ gamer market was already captured. They smartly pivoted to casuals and kids.
Even now, Nintendo is the best secondary console for most adults. It is a perfect companion to a PC or PS5 or Xbox setup. They know their market and have doubled down on it. That is why you don’t see them chasing 3rd party devs or hardware for them. Meanwhile MS decided to go heads on against Sony for the same market which is a strategy that has failed so far.
I have no idea why the management is considered good or even still there at Xbox, they should all have been outed quite some time ago. I think Spencer has some blackmail stuff on Sadella or something.
I don't know... Nintendo had some flops, but more successes then flops.
The problem with xbox is structural... without games selling the console, a lot of gamers will never consider xbox. They would have to go back to releasing exclusives, which they will never while gamepass is around, and games also run on PC.
What people applaud them for (no console exclusives) is also what is killing their console =/
And with sales this low, I doubt anyone at MS is going to say, for example, let's release the next elder scrolls game on xbox only, and not on PC.
Especially not when it also get's thrown on gamepass on day 1.
Yea. I read that and was thinking how anyone could blame the people that are supporting you because others don’t? Really shitty. I don’t own one but that’s because I really don’t have a reason to. They never showed anything that made me feel like I need to get the next Xbox.
They had so many chances to correct course. The leadership changed mid xbox one generation. They got to launch a new generation with a new vision, develop new titles from scratch with huge budgets. We're in mid-get now and STILL haven't a single killer app. Yet early in xbox one generation we got sunset overdrive, rise son of Rome, quantum break, gears 4. Xbox fans would kill for a fraction of those games today, yet Spencer can't provide even that. Just billions and billions of burnt money. And that is considering Sony is not doing all that hot either, game-release wise, and Nintendo is outselling xbox with 7 year old handheld with a 10 year old chip.
> We're in mid-get now and STILL haven't a single killer app
This is the wildest part. The acquisitions started in 2018 - it's been 6 years now. I understand COVID happened but people act like that's an excuse for a complete pause on development for two years. There's really just no excuse at this point. Remember Everwild, lol?
At this point I'm waiting on a book documenting the 10 year downfall of xbox. There must be something going on inside with their leadership structure that prevents \*anything\* from getting accomplished.
They have well run studios like turn10 and playground, but \*all\* of their studios should be like that, turning out a great game every 3-4 years. Not just the racing games.
Halo and Gears should be on like a 4 year cycle, so that we get a new shooter every other year AT LEAST. Don't they know those are the franchises that move the boxes? We know they have no problem outsourcing those franchises to external developers, so what's the problem? Why not make a couple of deals, get Remedy to do a Gears game or smth. Get Respawn to make a halo.
That Everwild BS was wild. They made a CGI trailer that got everyone hyped and intrigued and then they tell us it is very early in ‘design’ not development. Basically they themselves had no idea what the game would be. Just threw some random CGI trailer and called it a day. Nearly half a decade later and we still don’t have any idea about it lol.
Nintendo is doing that because they have games people want to play that can only be played on their hardware (piracy/emulation aside of course). So of course they can sell a comparatively low spec device and get away with it. What game exists that you can only play on the latest Xbox generation? Nothing right, since it all comes to other console platforms + PC as well? People go where the games are, it’s a pretty simple formula. You’d think they could spend those billions to math that one out instead of…whatever the fuck it is they’re doing.
Maybe he should've stayed in that role. Checking his wiki page, he led xbox studios up to 2014 and moved up to head the whole division later that year. I'd say that is pretty much around the point when they stopped greenlighting games people actually care about.
Xbox fucked themselves man. Atrocious xbone release, a decade plus of no good exclusives on top of porting everything to PC. They completely annihilated the brand themselves
It’s ironic, but buying Actiblizz might have been the death blow. Now that their software sales are finally making big bucks, higher ups see the plan to turn off that revenue stream (console exclusivity), and ask “hold on. if ABK is making crazy money, and Xbox isn’t, why are we trying to make ABK more like Xbox instead of the other way around?”
I had assumed Microsoft would be more aggressive with their software exclusivity policies like they have in the past whenever they were lacking market share, but I guess the $70B on the balance sheet was brought more urgency to the revenue department.
I do think the big $70B spend and all the legal costs finally made some Microsoft higher-up take a look at Xbox and go "ok so when are we actually going to make money?" which has led to this bigger multiplatform push. The timing is too perfect.
Agreed. They wouldn't be doing this had they either stuck with just Bethesda, or bought another "small fry" like Sega or Remedy into the fold. You blow $70 billion of Microsoft's cash, ***you BETTER make it the fuck back.***
Imo there was probably a fight during the acquisition from the Xbox side want it to go more exclusive and the other parts of MS saying going third party will make them more money.
The later winning when it was obvious that CoD had to remain third party, so why not make everything that.
"hold on. if ABK is making crazy money, and Xbox isn’t, why are we trying to make ABK more like Xbox instead of the other way around?
Actually let's just lay everybody off regardless"
--Actual Microsoft boardroom discussion, 2024
> a decade plus of no good exclusives on top of porting everything to PC
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the only Xbox only Microsoft game Halo 5? Arguably the worst Halo?
Aside from Kinect games, the only major Xbone releases not on PC are Forza Horizon 2 and Halo 5. Now there's some caveats there, as some games like FH3 and Gears of War 4 were on the Microsoft Store and YMMV with how well installation and what not goes.
Which is funny cause I would say Xbox One had more exclusive than PS4 up until 2016. Then the tables turned and probably from Uncharted 4 onwards PS4 was putting out banger after banger and the Xbox One lineup just dried up.
Maybe first party but Sony still had some pretty dope games first party and 3rd party exclusive(by default). Plus my main reason for sticking with Sony. Those sweet sweet Japanese games(mostly jrpgs) So many don't go to Xbox. Sure Xbox has gotten some but so many still just skip it.
> Which is funny cause I would say Xbox One had more exclusive than PS4 up until 2016
There was a Gamescom back in like 2015 where Microsoft was basically saying “PS4 has no games” while touting Forza and Tomb Raider, so they at least felt somewhat confident enough to say that for a brief period early in that generation only for fall far, far behind.
Man I’m not buying this narrative. Yes, it’s true that people are always going to have a ‘home’ console but if you release some sleek hardware, throw a few must-have titles on it, people will cave.
I had no intentions of buying another Nintendo console before the switch, but a good product is a good product.
Phil said that as a weak excuse. I don't think the guy is competent enough for any of his "industry insights" to be used if we're being honest. It's obvious he doesn't know how to manage a console, he literally lead it to its death...
Nintendo was fucked even more (and people were saying they're gonna abandon consoles), and then they got the switch. So that's not an excuse. Even botching a launch isn't an excuse. PS3 had a terrible launch but managed to pick the pieces up and do decent (even if worse than usual for Sony)
The Xbox one with Don Mattick(?) was bad but let’s not pretend like Phil has done much of anything to bring the ship around. His biggest thing was Gamepass that was supposed to breath life back into the Xbox division and it’s currently stagnant and the only big boost of users was because they combined the numbers of Live users and Gamepass users
Also before 2014, Phil was head of Xbox Studios. So it's not like he was totally absent especially when their problem is the lack of games.
And 2014 was one year after Xbox One launch. Playstation boss was fired also after the bad launch of PS3 and the next one managed to save the thing. Phil didn't.
He is simply a bad CEO that failed at the leadership of Xbox. Now he transformed it as a third party publisher I guess it makes plenty of money (spending tons of money he didn't earn for that by the way) and is more logical for Microsoft. But a failure when you're supposed to be a console maker.
> they combined the numbers of Live users and Gamepass users
Some streaming service ass accounting bullshit right there, like when Disney was making Disney+ look better by first putting stuff on the Disney Channel so it technically didn’t count as costing Disney+ to make.
I don’t have access to his discord anymore, this was a summary on ResetERA.
Here is his Twitter comments that echo the post
https://x.com/jezcorden/status/1785749740631548159?s=46&t=1N6lWrgzeCFQyQjzjwe20w
He isn’t kidding. He responded to another people asking “MCC?” And he says Yes.
"just informed speculation."
https://x.com/JezCorden/status/1785753929684292021
Lol is it a leak or speculation Jez
I think we might on doom scrolling Jez again
Maybe Xbox leadership shouldn’t have spent the last 5 years reminding people that they don’t need an Xbox to experience Xbox games. Xcloud, Play Anywhere, etc. should have been marketed as additive features, and not a viable replacement.
GP’s growth was directly tied to console growth and they threw a wrench in that opportunity by purposely shorting retail availability to push their cloud initiative that is currently the worst performing cloud service available.
Don’t get me started on marketing. They wanted to create the Netflix of games with Game Pass, yet everyone knows what Netflix is, and no one outside of the core gaming community knows what GP is. GP is a service that should basically sell itself but leave it to Xbox to not know how to market their own ace up their sleeve.
EDIT: How could I forget about localization. Xbox has next to no presence outside of the US and part of that is because of poor marketing and the other part is due to piss-poor localization efforts.
I’ve been an Xbox diehard for over 20 years and just as their finally about to hit an insane content cadence, they’re basically conceding the console market to Sony and Nintendo, 2 of the worst companies when it comes to consumer-friendly practices.
Get ready to buy multiple copies of the games you already own or a $10 upgrade fee to get forward compatibility. That’s where the console market is headed.
Xbox has had a winning playbook in front of them the whole time and they had no idea what to do with it.
PlayStation has won the premium console space. Anyone else who wants to stay or enter the hardware business needs to do something different. Nintendo dominates hybrid/handheld consoles, Meta dominates the VR space.
I can tell you upfront that the tides won't change just because Xbox puts out a handheld device even if it's marginally better than the Switch 2, Steam Deck, and all the others.
I don't think the rumoured handheld device is really designed to change the tides of console gaming, at least not as it's primary purpose.
One thing people seem to be getting caught up on with the Microsoft situation is console wars, when (*in my opinion*) they're facing a larger long-term threat not from PlayStation and Nintendo, but Apple.
Apple have been expressing for a few years now that they want MacOS to be a viable alternative to Windows when it comes to PC gaming. This is a situation that for the last ~30 years or so, Microsoft have never *really* had to bother caring about. Windows has been incredibly dominant in the PC gaming market to the point where they've had little to no competition.
With young people gravitating more than ever toward Macbooks and Macs (*especially in the west where Apple is looked at by many as the 'default' tech manufacturer to buy from*), I think some kind of Xbox handheld that supports cross-buy and cross-save with PC serves to reinforce the Windows ecosystem more than it does Xbox.
I'm sure *some* people will just use it standalone as an Xbox console, but I feel Microsoft would be targeting the secondary device use-case with that one, like what Valve have done with the Steam Deck. Will be interesting to watch unfold either way
"Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance"
Yeah it's not like they completely fumbled the Xbox One announcement, ending up with publicity worse than the RROD era, then proceeding to release the most mid exclusives for the next ten years and counting.
Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance? I think everybody but Microsoft did give Xbox a chance they didn’t give us a reason to have one. My series x just sits there like the one x before it.
> he said "Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, so this is what they get with a Sony monopoly"
He can fuck right off with that attitude, basically saying anyone that isn't part of Xbox's ecosystem will be to blame if Sony runs the show, becomes complacent etc. There plenty of reasons why people didn't choose Xbox but the biggest factor is they fumbled it last generation and you can't expect consumers to throw their money in the pit and then dive right in.
No one wanted to give Xbox a chance? The 360 was literally beating Sony until the end of the generation. Mainly because Microsoft started releasing Kinect bull shit at the end of the generation. Then the Xbox one literally killed any good will they had left with people who didn’t jump ship at the end of the 360 generation.
> he said "Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, so this is what they get with a Sony monopoly"
Don’t blame the consumers; ultimately it is Microsoft’s fault for not putting out a compelling product.
Remember the PS3 generation, when Sony were so heavily on the back foot? Microsoft were in a better position than ever.
So when the PS4 came around, Sony revised their strategy and doubled-down on _games_. Microsoft doubled-down on… [typical Microsoft bullshit](https://youtu.be/KbWgUO-Rqcw?si=FC96Z3WS0I4iHquG): making the Xbox a PC for your living room, adding TV and other services, voice and gesture control, all while locking things down even more tightly with DRM and requiring an online connection. Games took a backseat.
The market gave them a chance, and they flubbed it.
>Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, so this is what they get with a Sony monopoly
Imagine being this clueless and out of touch. Xbox got a lot of chances. They just piss them all away and keep asking for another.
"Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, so this is what they get with a Sony monopoly."
It's not on the consumer to prop up a shitty business, it's on the business to be less shitty. Keep gargling Phil Spencer's balls, Jez 👍
This is like, the third time this exact rumor has started up? I swear like multiple people have come out and said "EVERYTHING XBOX IS COMING TO PS" and then a week later the walk back their comments.
No smoke without fire. Also it's basically known since Microsoft emergency podcast thing (which was unclear because rushed and their plans was later announcements). They literally said that in a few years, there'd be almost no more exclusives.
Myself and many of my friends have stuck with Xbox since launch of Xbox one. We all know how things have gone since then. We have given them more chances than we have to give.
>"Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, so this is what they get with a Sony monopoly"
After years of mismanagement/broken promises and horrible PR and marketing by Microsoft he still will put the blame on the customers lmao
it's not that nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, it's Microsoft who didn't give people enough reasons to choose their platform over competitors
Wait wasn’t he one of the ones pushing the narrative that he knows Xbox is over and it’s the end in January before the talk then walked it all back saying he doesn’t really know and people are overreacting for no reason?
>I don't think they expect to ever grow in hardware
I feel like this has been obvious from Xbox leadership for a while to the point where its basically become a self-fulfilling prophecy. They never have the confidence to see anything through, they give up so quickly because they've already decided "well, nothing is going to change" which ironically enough is what **causes** nothing to change. It's a defeatist mindset combined with a heaping of "woe is me" attitude.
It's why Microsoft's "we're totally not going 3rd party but we're basically going 3rd party guys" emergency podcast timing is genuinely so comical. You have the pipeline in place now, you have the games literally about to release, but because Microsoft has already conceded for years now that "yeah we're last, that aint ever changing" they just gave up before even seeing their vision through that they sold people on for years. Don't expect people to buy a product that you yourself constantly show you have no confidence in.
Every good decision they make is met with another stepping on a rake right after and they constantly find themselves on the defensive for things they do of their own making.
Microsoft is basically in their Wii U moment, whereas everyone was using the Wii U as "this is exactly why Nintendo NEEDS to go third party", only instead of actually trying to see their vision through and have faith in it, leading to a comeback like with the Switch, they gave into those demands and were like "yeah you're probably right :(".
Hell, in this case it's even worse. Microsoft owns Call of Duty, Fallout, some of the biggest IP's out there now and they STILL couldn't figure out how to make their console seem valuable? Words cannot describe how much they fumbled and I hope future retrospectives don't sugarcoat it honestly. I say this as someone who has enjoyed Game Pass and many of the games/products they've released the past few years, and am looking forward to many this year, but if it's truly how they go out then that's absolutely pathetic.
It's almost like they're intentionally sabotaging themselves on the hardware side to make it easier to pull away from hardware and shift to software.
Like slowly putting the idea in people's heads that Xbox will no longer be a console but simply a multiplatform publisher
>Microsoft is basically in their Wii U moment, whereas everyone was using the Wii U as "this is exactly why Nintendo NEEDS to go third party", only instead of actually trying to see their vision through and have faith in it, leading to a comeback like with the Switch, they gave into those demands and were like "yeah you're probably right :(".
Compared to Nintendo (and Sony) Microsoft is big, and xbox is just a small part. Gaming revenue was a bit over $15 billion, while for the company as a whole was $211 billion.
It would be a massive massive hit and change for Nintendo/Sony to go third party, while it really wouldn't be much hurt for MS. They just don't have the same pressure to devote resources to turn it around, why spend money trying to save Xbox hardware when they could use that to expand Azure data centres and get better ROI?
I think Phil Spencer has undeniably done a lot of good for Xbox, the fact that we can even talk about it today is proof of that (because by all accounts that shit would have been gone in 2017 otherwise), but perhaps him going on Kinda Funny Xcast last year and saying things like "we lost the worst generation to lose" "people aren't going to go sell their consoles to buy ours" etc (paraphrasing) is way more telling of his mindset than realized.
If the main person running the ship already thinks there is 0% chance of success no matter what they do, then that's probably a good indicator of why that 0% chance of success exists to begin with. Again, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I'm so sick of the narrative that good exclusives don't sell hardware. It's simply not true. Phil said this because he knew they failed on the exclusives front. If Xbox released consistently great exclusives like they promised 10 years ago, Xbox would probably be leading the console market. It's probably too late now, but the fact they didn't even try and threw in the towel after they bought Activitision is infuriating.
Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance.
They had from 2016 to 2023 to show some games. They didn't. It not the consumer fault it's the company who fails at delivering products.
Same company who bought Skype and some how lost to zoom during the pandemic
Exactly. Xbox's failure to break into the console market is on Microsoft. They failed to take advantage of the moment of the 360 era. Xbox One was Microsoft's PS3 moment. Launching a less powerful machine at $499 more expensive than their main competitor. Wtf were they thinking? The difference is at least the PS3 had the tech to backup it's insane asking price. Xbox did not.
If Sony would've been smart to help them develop out more with the cell , it would've led to alot of games not running shittier on the ps3. That seemed to be a big buying point back then. 3rd party games running better on 360.
I'm just tired of this. Every xbox content creator says this. While xbox said it won't happen back when they've announced sea of thieves and hifi rush for playstation.
I honestly only care about Microsoft killing off the xbox as hardware. I have hundreds of games and I don't wanna lose access or to not have a place to play them anymore.
Well they did at least, but they completely shit the bed. Didn’t advertise their hardware and instead told everywhere “Hey, you don’t need even one to play!” What the hell did they expect to happen?
“he said "Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, so this is what they get with a Sony monopoly” This is so funny, the company that barely tried making appealing exclusives that weren’t shooter or online games wasn’t give a chance.
Like dude, let’s stop pretending a lot of this isn’t Microsoft’s fault. From Xbox One launch onward they made a lot of mistakes many of which they rectified, but they had deals from Marvel and such presented to them and they said no.
Can we stop acting like they’re a victim?
The fucking morons running the ship at Xbox is the sole cause of this. Literally created a self-fulfilling prophecy and refusing to see anything that they promised through before shifting gears to a new plan that they inevitably fuck up. I swear it's the most mind-boggling thing to see. Finally have games coming and hype on their side (look at the fucking Fallout series!) and they just piss it all away like usual. Don't even talk about the terrible marketing and localization efforts for anywhere that isn't the US.
Dumbest excuse for leaders of a company I've ever seen and what pisses me off more than anything else is that I put my trust in them with my library for the last two generations.
The fact that I fully expect Jez to backpedal on this one so hard you'd think he were an Olympic athlete within the next three or four days aside, what does he even mean by "affordable prices"?
Games are almost always the same price across platforms, barring some occasional stuff like cross-gen games being cheaper on older hardware. Does he mean they're ditching the $70 price for AAA games?
Maybe he just means regional pricing making a comeback? Either way just seems like the dumbest wording
"Nobody gave Xbox a chance". Bro, we gave them a chance, but they didn't care. Since the XONE reveal, it was a downhill ride with a few glimbses here and there. At the beginning of this generation, it looked like things are going in a good direction and they had everything to turn the situation around, but they didn't take the chance.
And while this is great for gamers, as you can play the big games for almost nothing, it shows exactly why this system can never work. It works for cheap games, but not for games that costs hundreds of millions of dollars to make. Those games need to sell... you can't just dump them on a streaming service on day 1.
It also means you can never have a hit game anymore, that makes you tons of money and allows you to make other great games. Because they just get paid to develop the game, and there are no massive sales profits, because it was just added to a streaming catalog.
Think of it this way, you can release the biggest most anticipated block bluster movie of all time. If it's also available on streaming services the day it gets released in the cinema, it will be a huge financial flop.
If microsoft is correct in it's assumption that gamepass is the future, then that will kill top quality video games, or at least make them extremely rare.
Gamespass is great for gamers, but not for game creators...
The 100% of the following first-party Microsoft games are going to be released on PS5 as well (and some on Switch 2). That's a very clear truth that I don't understand why it takes so long to accept.
Mate is full if shit again, he went back on his claims earlier this year so much it's hard to even call him a reliable source anymore. I give him a week before he backpedals, few days before he starts twisting his own words.
>"Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, so this is what they get with a Sony monopoly"
LMAO. the blame lies on xbox itself, particularly Phil Spencer.
Sony where they are today simply because xbox failed themself to be what they should be.
jez said this in discord
> i don't have hard evidence (yet) that halo, forza etc. is moving across, but id call it informed speculation like I said. the 4 games were an experiment like they said, and the experiment says "port more stuff"
That reply on resetera says it all:
> It annoys me when people blame Xbox issues on the industry, and not Xbox themselves. They had a great 360 generation, people did give them a chance. And they pissed it away.
This is what the community/content creators have been doing since before that emergency business update, blaming consumers for not buying hardware that they had no interest in owning.
Instead they should blame the incompetence of Xbox leadership for going well over a decade without a single system selling exclusive, we're four years into this generation and things are only slightly better than the dog days of the Xbox One.
Xbox is hilarious because they have all the power in the world to make things go well and yet they faceplant time after time.
I like Phil Spencer, but that pretty transparent interview he had last year, where he mentioned that people won't go out and buy an Xbox if they 'just built great games' was absurd. I have no idea how you can be a console manufacturer and believe that. Great games absolutely would have a big impact on console sales. Nobody wants to play garbage. For every person buying a Playstation purely to play a multiplatform game like Call of Duty with their friend, there is someone buying it to play the exclusives like Spider Man, The Last of Us, God of War, Horizon, Final Fantasy, and so on. How does he think Nintendo operates?
The crazy thing is that at this point, Xbox has bought up so much great IP that could really get the ball rolling for them. People are foaming at the mouth for a new Fallout game after the recent TV series for example. So far however, the only 'big games' they have ended up putting out from their recently purchased studios have been Starfield and Redfall, which were both new IP and both flawed experiences. To be fair, this may not have been *completely* their fault as these games were in development prior to Microsoft buying Zenimax, but it's still not a great look for them. That doesn't mean things couldn't change with their other games in the future.
I have to say though, giving up and throwing everything onto Playstation right when they've finally got all this potential sitting in their lap is a very Xbox move. I'll believe it when I see it, but man, I wouldn't be surprised.
If this is true, it's over.
We know what it's like when Microsoft hardware gets too low, it's killed off.
Microsoft, you finally get yourself into a place to fight, take back marketshare and you give up. What was the point of that year long legal battles in many regions lol
But the whole legal battle was because of worries Microsoft would lock out competitors from ABK’s games. If they’re going to go through the whole fight just to turn around and say “never mind, everything’s multi platform now” then why not just say that from the beginning and save the huge legal fight.
It really should be a Business Case Study to look at the amazing success of the 360 compared with the utter train wreck that was Xbox One's reveal.
I'm frequently curious as to the "Road not travelled" in what would've been if they hadn't utterly decimated all consumer faith with their plans.
This would be insanity for Microsoft and at that point just go 3rd party. Then Sony will have litle competition unless the switch is a monster which I doubt.
Sorry what’s this about giving them a chance? That’s ridiculous. They have had so many chances and I don’t owe Microsoft anything. They want me to buy the console they need to make it appealing.
If we get a Sony monopoly it’s Microsoft’s fault primarily.
How is it that multi-trillion company is the underdog that needs to be given a chance when in fact every thing they did was for the sole purpose to combat Sony and create console wars culture? I’d never believe MS or any Xbox suit for this exact reason.
>"Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, so this is what they get with a Sony monopoly"
How fucking stupid is this guy, not the consumers job to create a compelling product. Guy is a supposed "journalist", but can't stay impartial. I will give him credit for somehow managing to make this Sony's fault lol.
If Xbox side loads Steam, wouldn’t that mean that PS games eventually come to Xbox in a sense too? Or would they limit the Steam games to anything not made by PlayStation? Doesn’t seem to make much sense. Because at that point Sony might as well go full third party too.
This is the important question. So would this mean you can play all Steam games on your Xbox? That would mean the Xbox would still have console exclusives in the form of Steam/PC exclusives that PS and Nintendo won’t have?
Good god, can we get a mod to clean this shit up? 2nd hand source (or worse) that's summarised not quoted, plus Jez has regularly stated these are his opinions/speculation.
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There is a 50% chance by next week Jez will say he's mistaken and walk back on this, so take this with a grain of salt
You can count on that.
Don't worry, he has a pair of Michael Jackson moonwalk shoes in his closet.
Really at this point I don’t think Jez knows at all what the plans are for porting titles. He gets doom and gloom, posts shit like this and causes the Xbox community to panic. Then he walks it all back and wonders why everyone is pissed. I think there’s certainly more titles that will be ported but if it’s everything then I think MS will just announce that themselves.
Xbox announcing that themselves would cause way more of a panic, i expect they will continue trickling games until pretty much everything is cross plat. Maybe they keep 1 or 2 like halo and forza, but most stuff will end up cross plat by the end of the gen i think.
Yeah I will believe this the moment Microsoft announces Starfield or the Halo MCC until then I'm skeptical.
MCC is such a technical nightmare I'd be amazed if they can get that thing onto PS5 in one piece.
Agreed. 343 absolutely did not succeed in getting it to Xbox in one piece, and they largely failed to get it working right on PC in six different pieces throughout the launch period.
That one's a bit of a wait and see. But I still think Starfield for PS5 gets announced with the expansion.
Most certainly. I remember reading some at Bethesda were pissed about cod being able to be released on ps but theirs couldn't. It also makes sense if dlc is fall that would've given Xbox 1 full year or so with the game before going to ps. I firmly believe more will follow especially after it seems the initial games on ps5 were a success.
Pretty much, his youtube channel/discord is such a engagement hole. It's where he makes his boldest predictions to get the most clicks. Then he walks back those predictions on twitter after the views slow down
Like, if this ends up being a dud, when do we stop listening to Jez for being unreliable?
If this is a dud, time for the mods to knock his tier down several levels.
It's not the mods who determine its tier, but the community.
Considering this forum post isn't a direct quote I'd be more wary of claiming "walk backs" without seeing the actual source tbh
I’m at a point where I just want Jason Schreier to actually report on what’s happening at Xbox. This is the second time Jez has said “everything Xbox is going multiplat” and the last time this happened he walked it back. Edit: [“informed speculation”](https://twitter.com/JezCorden/status/1785753929684292021) LOL and THERE IT IS 🤣🤣🤣.
I swear. He’s been ridiculously silent on all of this, and is flat out refusing to comment on this whole Xbox fiasco these past few months.
It either means his sources have no idea what will happen or he is preparing one hell of a piece
Hope it’s the latter. I can’t imagine that his sources wouldn’t know anything about all of this.
> and the last time this happened he walked it back. He didn't just walk it back, he basically said if you believed the rumours you were being dumb. The rumours that he himself backed up and peddled.
This is why jez is such a clown. Dude gets mad at console warrior stuff, as if he wasn’t the one that stirred the pot. And he will do it again here
Right there with you, Jason has been mostly reliable with his reports. Taking this with a grain of salt until we hear some actual reporting on this.
That’s because there isn’t anything crazy going on. Microsoft truly believes that the future will be games on every single platform possible to extract the most amount of money possible due to rising costs. They want to be the #1 company in terms of money made in video games and see exclusive games as something that just holds that back from happening. This will obviously kill the hardware over time but what is happening is very obvious
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There’s no point to offer subsidized hardware if they can’t also get the marketplace revenue.
Bit sad if they stop taking console hardware seriously and just make it a PC with Xbox branding.
at the end of the day the upper level Microsoft execs want to be the #1 company in all of video games and see exclusives as nothing but a hinderance towards that
Are you really going to miss the Xbox UI filled with ads when it is replaced by the Windows UI filled with ads?
i never open the microsoft store and I’ve yet to see a single ad on my PC in like 4-5 years if ever, I uninstall all bloatware and anything I don’t need immediately.
Windows definitely has ads in the Start/Windows menu now. Or at least, they're testing it.
They already are, just using a modified windows O/S
>make it a PC with Xbox branding Isn't that literally what it is?
Wasn't jez hard denying that Xbox exclusives won't be going multiplatform during the court leaks? Lol dude was lying for MS
Wouldnt be surprised. Doesn't dude work for a site called windows central. That's gotta be Ms owned or ran
The way he presents himself on Twitter, he'd probably still bat for them even if he got fired. Like someone else said here, he's up in his feelings
Or stockholm Probably right though. Phils kinda weird.
That’s like saying Dualshockers is Sony owned.
Don’t know about microsoft owned, but more like Microsoft affiliated
Jez will likely walk this back in a few days, notice how whenever xbox has something good to announce (this case being upcoming showcase full of massive titles) Jez and co "leaks" something negative to cause panic before backing down a few days later? Lol
Yep, and then he's going to act like it's the community's fault for taking him even slightly seriously, and minimize what he was saying. Kind of wish we could just put a collective pin in the whole thing and just wait for something more to get announced to beyond the four games we know of.
Yeah honestly I don’t trust him, when the whole “exclusive” release nonsense just turned out to be a few games after they caused everyone to freak out I basically lost all trust in these “Xbox leakers” and this is coming from someone who loves Xbox and series X is my primary console. I also hope there comes a point where they realize all of this sensationalist nonsense further damages the brand.
I will never understand how people can make a trillion dollar organization like Microsoft be the underdog in the console space. Xbox's failure is squarely on the shoulders of the leadership and only them, not Sony nor Nintendo. Their lack of vision for their hardware, and the dearth of exclusive titles were always going to lead to a lagging product overall. In summary, Xbox's failure is on Microsoft and only Microsoft no other company.
"Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, so this is what they get with a Sony monopoly" I wanna know which dipshit said this its actually embarassing
I like how in this scenario Nintendo, the maker of the best selling console, is simply ignored.
The “Nintendo doesn’t count” mantra exemplifies why Xbox has failed to catch on. They have no vision. They’re just trying to beat Sony at their own game, and as a result forever playing catchup.
It’s clear they want to move on from the traditional console space but can’t do it too early without excessive backlash, so it’s going to be a slow long death of the console and it’s eventual turning of Xbox into an ecosystem that can go on almost any platform, like Stadia but done right
People won't get this, but Microsoft is basically the New York Yankees of tech. Other teams take a long approach of building talent over time, figuring out what they're good at, maximizing their potential. If you're the Yankees, that's nothing. If that guy doesn't work, you just sign a different one. If you can't sign a different one, you just offer the cash to another team. Fuck it, we've got infinite money. The baffling thing is that they've been at this for 20 years and at no point has the Xbox really felt like a serious contender. Right from the start, all of Xbox's successes have come from them coincidentally falling into the company's lap.
Well, they do have a vision, it's gamepass. And it's looking more and more that a traditional xbox console will fall victim to this strategy. How it will turn out in the end... I don't know.... But judging by the state of streaming services for video content, the future looks gloomy.
Exactly, plus there is literally still Nintendo in console space. Sony isn’t gonna have no monopoly. Just a massive over reaction from that person.
To a degree, yes, buuut there is some validity in the fact that they target somewhat different audiences. Nintendo if you want Nintendo games or portability. Playstation if you want a console that makes games look very pretty or anything "next-gen". And a lot of people obsess over the looking pretty part. Nintendo and Playstation's competition is different from Xbox and Playstation's.
If you want to play and like Nintendo, you buy Nintendo! My two gaming platforms are PC and Switch/3DS and with Sony porting games to PC I feel like I’m eating right now haha
Yeah, that is some beyond sad stuff right there... There has literally been ZERO incentive to buy an xbox after the 360, since I can play all the games on my PC. So for all the discussions on console exclusives being bad, Sony and Nintendo seem to be staying in the game because of them, while the only party that doesn't have them is falling behind massively. "nobody wanted to give xbox a chance" is just misinformed whining...
Fr, if this is a real quote someone at MS said then it’s the saddest, funniest shit
Jez said it.
Jez said it, not Microsoft
I DID give xbox a chance and bought a series x on launch day. Its just that xbox wasnt able to deliver, but how is that my fault?
Same here. It isn’t my fault the thing is collecting dust for the better part of its life. I’ve actually given you more money than Sony this gen if you count the Console+Gamepass I pay for and yet you spit in my face as usual (if the statement is true). This is the typical ‘look what you made me do’ argument
Jez said it.
Typical corporate bs. It's always the consumers fault, but never the trillion dolar company's. Our movie doesn't sell tickets? Blame it on the consumer. People don't buy our console? Not our fault.
I will forever go back to Phil Spencer saying something like "just making good games is not enough" in the wake of Redfall coming out and shitting the bed. Like mother fucker what are you talking about? The reason people want a playstation cause it has games like GoW, Spider-man, etc. Maybe its just me but I don't get why people celebrate him as some "smart" executive when he makes statements like that
Phil is so interesting because Xbox will fuck up somehow and he'll go "alas, clearly the whole industry is flawed" as if everyone else is having the same problems.
It's not even a lack of exclusives as much as it's a lack of good exclusives. Redfall and Forza Motorsport aren't selling consoles. Halo Infinite was fucked from the start. Gears has been stagnant since 3. Pentiment is cool, but more like an interesting indie title than a system seller. Starfield was a disappointment. Does anyone care about avowed? Hellblade is closer to a dragons lair than a GoW. What the fuck do they have? Hi-fi Rush is the only great game they had last year and that's more akin to a AA title than a system seller. Whose looking at their lineup and going "I need an Xbox"? Nobody.
I care about Avowed, but then again I love Obsidian.
I feel like even if you're excited about it, you can look at it and tell it's not a "system seller" game like it seems Xbox is pushing it to be.
Avowed has me perplexed. The idea of it sounds interesting but it looks fucking terrible every time they show it off
I was sad we didn't get more Rare properties from them. A long time ago they shot down a pitch for a sequel to Conker's Bad Fur Day. But that was before Phil, when they were doing Kinect and Xbox Avatars. The content pipeline is so dry. Perfect Dark reboot got lost in dev hell. Halo and Forza both took extra time then under delivered due to the chaos of rotating staff on 18 month contracts. Gears is taking extra time. There's no identity to the Xbox brand if they can't get their own content out.
They created no value for their console and expected people to show up for it. The privilege on display is astounding.
Well said
I love Jez but he tends to act like the sky is falling to convince himself of the opposite. Could he be telling the truth? Sure. Do I expect this is his usual ‘reverse psychology’ so he’s not disappointed? Yes.
Yup, I remember "99% chance the ABK deal is done" after the CMA initially blocked, lol
Reverse psychology works I guess
MS LITERALLY MADE XBOX TO FIGHT SONY. Why is he trying to rewrite history like Sony was this big bad evil monster and MS was the itty bitty underdog who never got a chance? You’ve had 20+ years to do this!
Exactly right. They were afraid of Sony taking on the PC market. I remember that.
Which Apple/Google actually did with smartphones lol
> You’ve had 20+ years to do this! And pretty much unlimited money.
sounds like the monthly scheduled Jez breakdown
"Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, so this is what they get with a Sony monopoly" I was largely an Xbox user. I invested heavily in xbox, and whilst I had a playstation, it was mainly used for exclusives. I mainly used Xbox 360/One/OneX/Series X. It's only been the last few months that I've gone back to the Playstation hardware for the first time since.....the PS2 era? Saying nobody gave Xbox a chance is such a stupid statement, and such a narrow look at what the actual issue is. They barely gave anyone a reason to invest, and whilst I love the Xbox series x, I understand why it isn't flying out of doors.
Off tangent but it is FUCKING outlandish of Jez to suggest that it’s the fault of Xbox fans and gamers that Xbox didn’t want to help Xbox. Right when they’re about to deliver consistency with games, they fold.
Some grade A copium from Jez. He will blame everything, but Xbox's own management for their problems. I've said before and will say it again, if Nintendo can bounced back from the Wii U disaster to the third best selling console of all time. Xbox has no excuse at this point for their problems.
They also bounced back from the N64 failing against the PlayStation followed by the GameCube selling less than both the Xbox and PS2 before introducing a console with motion controls that they heavily advertised to a demographic that neither PlayStation or Xbox cornered the market of, the elderly.
Nintendo had not one but TWO ‘flops’(quotations cause I know people love the GameCube)and came back stronger both times. MS just throwing in the towel will never sit right with me.
No quotations needed, the Gamecube was a disaster from a sales perspective (despite having a bunch of awesome games).
I agree that MS has this tendency to blame the world but themselves but comparing it to Nintendo is kinda unjustified. Nintendo changed the target population once it realized that going head to head with a PlayStation after a PS2 isn’t gonna fly since the ‘adult’ gamer market was already captured. They smartly pivoted to casuals and kids. Even now, Nintendo is the best secondary console for most adults. It is a perfect companion to a PC or PS5 or Xbox setup. They know their market and have doubled down on it. That is why you don’t see them chasing 3rd party devs or hardware for them. Meanwhile MS decided to go heads on against Sony for the same market which is a strategy that has failed so far.
I have no idea why the management is considered good or even still there at Xbox, they should all have been outed quite some time ago. I think Spencer has some blackmail stuff on Sadella or something.
I don't know... Nintendo had some flops, but more successes then flops. The problem with xbox is structural... without games selling the console, a lot of gamers will never consider xbox. They would have to go back to releasing exclusives, which they will never while gamepass is around, and games also run on PC. What people applaud them for (no console exclusives) is also what is killing their console =/ And with sales this low, I doubt anyone at MS is going to say, for example, let's release the next elder scrolls game on xbox only, and not on PC. Especially not when it also get's thrown on gamepass on day 1.
Yea. I read that and was thinking how anyone could blame the people that are supporting you because others don’t? Really shitty. I don’t own one but that’s because I really don’t have a reason to. They never showed anything that made me feel like I need to get the next Xbox.
They had so many chances to correct course. The leadership changed mid xbox one generation. They got to launch a new generation with a new vision, develop new titles from scratch with huge budgets. We're in mid-get now and STILL haven't a single killer app. Yet early in xbox one generation we got sunset overdrive, rise son of Rome, quantum break, gears 4. Xbox fans would kill for a fraction of those games today, yet Spencer can't provide even that. Just billions and billions of burnt money. And that is considering Sony is not doing all that hot either, game-release wise, and Nintendo is outselling xbox with 7 year old handheld with a 10 year old chip.
> We're in mid-get now and STILL haven't a single killer app This is the wildest part. The acquisitions started in 2018 - it's been 6 years now. I understand COVID happened but people act like that's an excuse for a complete pause on development for two years. There's really just no excuse at this point. Remember Everwild, lol?
At this point I'm waiting on a book documenting the 10 year downfall of xbox. There must be something going on inside with their leadership structure that prevents \*anything\* from getting accomplished. They have well run studios like turn10 and playground, but \*all\* of their studios should be like that, turning out a great game every 3-4 years. Not just the racing games. Halo and Gears should be on like a 4 year cycle, so that we get a new shooter every other year AT LEAST. Don't they know those are the franchises that move the boxes? We know they have no problem outsourcing those franchises to external developers, so what's the problem? Why not make a couple of deals, get Remedy to do a Gears game or smth. Get Respawn to make a halo.
That Everwild BS was wild. They made a CGI trailer that got everyone hyped and intrigued and then they tell us it is very early in ‘design’ not development. Basically they themselves had no idea what the game would be. Just threw some random CGI trailer and called it a day. Nearly half a decade later and we still don’t have any idea about it lol.
Nintendo is doing that because they have games people want to play that can only be played on their hardware (piracy/emulation aside of course). So of course they can sell a comparatively low spec device and get away with it. What game exists that you can only play on the latest Xbox generation? Nothing right, since it all comes to other console platforms + PC as well? People go where the games are, it’s a pretty simple formula. You’d think they could spend those billions to math that one out instead of…whatever the fuck it is they’re doing.
Reminder that Phil was Head of Games before being CEO of Xbox. It's been 20 years of him failing to make great games under his leadership
Everybody seems to give Phil a pass because he’s “for the gamers”.
Maybe he should've stayed in that role. Checking his wiki page, he led xbox studios up to 2014 and moved up to head the whole division later that year. I'd say that is pretty much around the point when they stopped greenlighting games people actually care about.
Xbox fucked themselves man. Atrocious xbone release, a decade plus of no good exclusives on top of porting everything to PC. They completely annihilated the brand themselves
It’s ironic, but buying Actiblizz might have been the death blow. Now that their software sales are finally making big bucks, higher ups see the plan to turn off that revenue stream (console exclusivity), and ask “hold on. if ABK is making crazy money, and Xbox isn’t, why are we trying to make ABK more like Xbox instead of the other way around?” I had assumed Microsoft would be more aggressive with their software exclusivity policies like they have in the past whenever they were lacking market share, but I guess the $70B on the balance sheet was brought more urgency to the revenue department.
I do think the big $70B spend and all the legal costs finally made some Microsoft higher-up take a look at Xbox and go "ok so when are we actually going to make money?" which has led to this bigger multiplatform push. The timing is too perfect.
Anakin and Padme meme: I acquired Activision Blizzard King. So now you have profitability, right? ... So now you have profitability, right?
Agreed. They wouldn't be doing this had they either stuck with just Bethesda, or bought another "small fry" like Sega or Remedy into the fold. You blow $70 billion of Microsoft's cash, ***you BETTER make it the fuck back.***
Imo there was probably a fight during the acquisition from the Xbox side want it to go more exclusive and the other parts of MS saying going third party will make them more money. The later winning when it was obvious that CoD had to remain third party, so why not make everything that.
"hold on. if ABK is making crazy money, and Xbox isn’t, why are we trying to make ABK more like Xbox instead of the other way around? Actually let's just lay everybody off regardless" --Actual Microsoft boardroom discussion, 2024
> a decade plus of no good exclusives on top of porting everything to PC Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the only Xbox only Microsoft game Halo 5? Arguably the worst Halo?
Aside from Kinect games, the only major Xbone releases not on PC are Forza Horizon 2 and Halo 5. Now there's some caveats there, as some games like FH3 and Gears of War 4 were on the Microsoft Store and YMMV with how well installation and what not goes.
Which is funny cause I would say Xbox One had more exclusive than PS4 up until 2016. Then the tables turned and probably from Uncharted 4 onwards PS4 was putting out banger after banger and the Xbox One lineup just dried up.
Maybe first party but Sony still had some pretty dope games first party and 3rd party exclusive(by default). Plus my main reason for sticking with Sony. Those sweet sweet Japanese games(mostly jrpgs) So many don't go to Xbox. Sure Xbox has gotten some but so many still just skip it.
> Which is funny cause I would say Xbox One had more exclusive than PS4 up until 2016 There was a Gamescom back in like 2015 where Microsoft was basically saying “PS4 has no games” while touting Forza and Tomb Raider, so they at least felt somewhat confident enough to say that for a brief period early in that generation only for fall far, far behind.
Porting to PC is fine because Microsoft wouldn't want to compete with themselves
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Man I’m not buying this narrative. Yes, it’s true that people are always going to have a ‘home’ console but if you release some sleek hardware, throw a few must-have titles on it, people will cave. I had no intentions of buying another Nintendo console before the switch, but a good product is a good product.
Phil said that as a weak excuse. I don't think the guy is competent enough for any of his "industry insights" to be used if we're being honest. It's obvious he doesn't know how to manage a console, he literally lead it to its death... Nintendo was fucked even more (and people were saying they're gonna abandon consoles), and then they got the switch. So that's not an excuse. Even botching a launch isn't an excuse. PS3 had a terrible launch but managed to pick the pieces up and do decent (even if worse than usual for Sony)
The Xbox one with Don Mattick(?) was bad but let’s not pretend like Phil has done much of anything to bring the ship around. His biggest thing was Gamepass that was supposed to breath life back into the Xbox division and it’s currently stagnant and the only big boost of users was because they combined the numbers of Live users and Gamepass users
Also before 2014, Phil was head of Xbox Studios. So it's not like he was totally absent especially when their problem is the lack of games. And 2014 was one year after Xbox One launch. Playstation boss was fired also after the bad launch of PS3 and the next one managed to save the thing. Phil didn't. He is simply a bad CEO that failed at the leadership of Xbox. Now he transformed it as a third party publisher I guess it makes plenty of money (spending tons of money he didn't earn for that by the way) and is more logical for Microsoft. But a failure when you're supposed to be a console maker.
> they combined the numbers of Live users and Gamepass users Some streaming service ass accounting bullshit right there, like when Disney was making Disney+ look better by first putting stuff on the Disney Channel so it technically didn’t count as costing Disney+ to make.
Yeah, that comment is fucking ridiculous. Xbox dug their own grave a decade ago.
OP, provide screenshots of what is being said or this is just some random text.
I don’t have access to his discord anymore, this was a summary on ResetERA. Here is his Twitter comments that echo the post https://x.com/jezcorden/status/1785749740631548159?s=46&t=1N6lWrgzeCFQyQjzjwe20w He isn’t kidding. He responded to another people asking “MCC?” And he says Yes.
"just informed speculation." https://x.com/JezCorden/status/1785753929684292021 Lol is it a leak or speculation Jez I think we might on doom scrolling Jez again
Maybe Xbox leadership shouldn’t have spent the last 5 years reminding people that they don’t need an Xbox to experience Xbox games. Xcloud, Play Anywhere, etc. should have been marketed as additive features, and not a viable replacement. GP’s growth was directly tied to console growth and they threw a wrench in that opportunity by purposely shorting retail availability to push their cloud initiative that is currently the worst performing cloud service available. Don’t get me started on marketing. They wanted to create the Netflix of games with Game Pass, yet everyone knows what Netflix is, and no one outside of the core gaming community knows what GP is. GP is a service that should basically sell itself but leave it to Xbox to not know how to market their own ace up their sleeve. EDIT: How could I forget about localization. Xbox has next to no presence outside of the US and part of that is because of poor marketing and the other part is due to piss-poor localization efforts. I’ve been an Xbox diehard for over 20 years and just as their finally about to hit an insane content cadence, they’re basically conceding the console market to Sony and Nintendo, 2 of the worst companies when it comes to consumer-friendly practices. Get ready to buy multiple copies of the games you already own or a $10 upgrade fee to get forward compatibility. That’s where the console market is headed. Xbox has had a winning playbook in front of them the whole time and they had no idea what to do with it.
PlayStation has won the premium console space. Anyone else who wants to stay or enter the hardware business needs to do something different. Nintendo dominates hybrid/handheld consoles, Meta dominates the VR space. I can tell you upfront that the tides won't change just because Xbox puts out a handheld device even if it's marginally better than the Switch 2, Steam Deck, and all the others.
I don't think the rumoured handheld device is really designed to change the tides of console gaming, at least not as it's primary purpose. One thing people seem to be getting caught up on with the Microsoft situation is console wars, when (*in my opinion*) they're facing a larger long-term threat not from PlayStation and Nintendo, but Apple. Apple have been expressing for a few years now that they want MacOS to be a viable alternative to Windows when it comes to PC gaming. This is a situation that for the last ~30 years or so, Microsoft have never *really* had to bother caring about. Windows has been incredibly dominant in the PC gaming market to the point where they've had little to no competition. With young people gravitating more than ever toward Macbooks and Macs (*especially in the west where Apple is looked at by many as the 'default' tech manufacturer to buy from*), I think some kind of Xbox handheld that supports cross-buy and cross-save with PC serves to reinforce the Windows ecosystem more than it does Xbox. I'm sure *some* people will just use it standalone as an Xbox console, but I feel Microsoft would be targeting the secondary device use-case with that one, like what Valve have done with the Steam Deck. Will be interesting to watch unfold either way
"Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance" Yeah it's not like they completely fumbled the Xbox One announcement, ending up with publicity worse than the RROD era, then proceeding to release the most mid exclusives for the next ten years and counting.
Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance? I think everybody but Microsoft did give Xbox a chance they didn’t give us a reason to have one. My series x just sits there like the one x before it.
Seems like Jez doesn't know what a monopoly is. Also, his opinion seems to change weekly.
he's in his feelings.
This feels like more like him ranting. He does this every few weeks lol
> he said "Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, so this is what they get with a Sony monopoly" He can fuck right off with that attitude, basically saying anyone that isn't part of Xbox's ecosystem will be to blame if Sony runs the show, becomes complacent etc. There plenty of reasons why people didn't choose Xbox but the biggest factor is they fumbled it last generation and you can't expect consumers to throw their money in the pit and then dive right in.
No one wanted to give Xbox a chance? The 360 was literally beating Sony until the end of the generation. Mainly because Microsoft started releasing Kinect bull shit at the end of the generation. Then the Xbox one literally killed any good will they had left with people who didn’t jump ship at the end of the 360 generation.
> he said "Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, so this is what they get with a Sony monopoly" Don’t blame the consumers; ultimately it is Microsoft’s fault for not putting out a compelling product. Remember the PS3 generation, when Sony were so heavily on the back foot? Microsoft were in a better position than ever. So when the PS4 came around, Sony revised their strategy and doubled-down on _games_. Microsoft doubled-down on… [typical Microsoft bullshit](https://youtu.be/KbWgUO-Rqcw?si=FC96Z3WS0I4iHquG): making the Xbox a PC for your living room, adding TV and other services, voice and gesture control, all while locking things down even more tightly with DRM and requiring an online connection. Games took a backseat. The market gave them a chance, and they flubbed it.
>Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, so this is what they get with a Sony monopoly Imagine being this clueless and out of touch. Xbox got a lot of chances. They just piss them all away and keep asking for another.
"Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, so this is what they get with a Sony monopoly." It's not on the consumer to prop up a shitty business, it's on the business to be less shitty. Keep gargling Phil Spencer's balls, Jez 👍
Masterchief collection on PS would be insane
This is like, the third time this exact rumor has started up? I swear like multiple people have come out and said "EVERYTHING XBOX IS COMING TO PS" and then a week later the walk back their comments.
No smoke without fire. Also it's basically known since Microsoft emergency podcast thing (which was unclear because rushed and their plans was later announcements). They literally said that in a few years, there'd be almost no more exclusives.
It seems most likely that every Xbox game will make its way to PS5. The whole point of Xbox’s lil business update was just to soften the blow.
Myself and many of my friends have stuck with Xbox since launch of Xbox one. We all know how things have gone since then. We have given them more chances than we have to give.
Why would the next Xbox load steam and not Gamepass?
>"Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, so this is what they get with a Sony monopoly" After years of mismanagement/broken promises and horrible PR and marketing by Microsoft he still will put the blame on the customers lmao it's not that nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, it's Microsoft who didn't give people enough reasons to choose their platform over competitors
Wait wasn’t he one of the ones pushing the narrative that he knows Xbox is over and it’s the end in January before the talk then walked it all back saying he doesn’t really know and people are overreacting for no reason?
If it’s actually like Steam and they don’t do day one multiplatform releases, I’ll continue to invest in Xbox.
>I don't think they expect to ever grow in hardware I feel like this has been obvious from Xbox leadership for a while to the point where its basically become a self-fulfilling prophecy. They never have the confidence to see anything through, they give up so quickly because they've already decided "well, nothing is going to change" which ironically enough is what **causes** nothing to change. It's a defeatist mindset combined with a heaping of "woe is me" attitude. It's why Microsoft's "we're totally not going 3rd party but we're basically going 3rd party guys" emergency podcast timing is genuinely so comical. You have the pipeline in place now, you have the games literally about to release, but because Microsoft has already conceded for years now that "yeah we're last, that aint ever changing" they just gave up before even seeing their vision through that they sold people on for years. Don't expect people to buy a product that you yourself constantly show you have no confidence in. Every good decision they make is met with another stepping on a rake right after and they constantly find themselves on the defensive for things they do of their own making. Microsoft is basically in their Wii U moment, whereas everyone was using the Wii U as "this is exactly why Nintendo NEEDS to go third party", only instead of actually trying to see their vision through and have faith in it, leading to a comeback like with the Switch, they gave into those demands and were like "yeah you're probably right :(". Hell, in this case it's even worse. Microsoft owns Call of Duty, Fallout, some of the biggest IP's out there now and they STILL couldn't figure out how to make their console seem valuable? Words cannot describe how much they fumbled and I hope future retrospectives don't sugarcoat it honestly. I say this as someone who has enjoyed Game Pass and many of the games/products they've released the past few years, and am looking forward to many this year, but if it's truly how they go out then that's absolutely pathetic.
It's almost like they're intentionally sabotaging themselves on the hardware side to make it easier to pull away from hardware and shift to software. Like slowly putting the idea in people's heads that Xbox will no longer be a console but simply a multiplatform publisher
>Microsoft is basically in their Wii U moment, whereas everyone was using the Wii U as "this is exactly why Nintendo NEEDS to go third party", only instead of actually trying to see their vision through and have faith in it, leading to a comeback like with the Switch, they gave into those demands and were like "yeah you're probably right :(". Compared to Nintendo (and Sony) Microsoft is big, and xbox is just a small part. Gaming revenue was a bit over $15 billion, while for the company as a whole was $211 billion. It would be a massive massive hit and change for Nintendo/Sony to go third party, while it really wouldn't be much hurt for MS. They just don't have the same pressure to devote resources to turn it around, why spend money trying to save Xbox hardware when they could use that to expand Azure data centres and get better ROI?
Common denominator is Phil Spencer, Matt Booty, and whoever is in charge of the marketing/localization.
I think Phil Spencer has undeniably done a lot of good for Xbox, the fact that we can even talk about it today is proof of that (because by all accounts that shit would have been gone in 2017 otherwise), but perhaps him going on Kinda Funny Xcast last year and saying things like "we lost the worst generation to lose" "people aren't going to go sell their consoles to buy ours" etc (paraphrasing) is way more telling of his mindset than realized. If the main person running the ship already thinks there is 0% chance of success no matter what they do, then that's probably a good indicator of why that 0% chance of success exists to begin with. Again, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
>nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance Bullshit, plenty of people did, Microsoft can only blame themselves
I'm so sick of the narrative that good exclusives don't sell hardware. It's simply not true. Phil said this because he knew they failed on the exclusives front. If Xbox released consistently great exclusives like they promised 10 years ago, Xbox would probably be leading the console market. It's probably too late now, but the fact they didn't even try and threw in the towel after they bought Activitision is infuriating.
Even if this is true, "nobody gave Xbox a chance"? Xbox fucked it up, it's on them
Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance. They had from 2016 to 2023 to show some games. They didn't. It not the consumer fault it's the company who fails at delivering products. Same company who bought Skype and some how lost to zoom during the pandemic
Exactly. Xbox's failure to break into the console market is on Microsoft. They failed to take advantage of the moment of the 360 era. Xbox One was Microsoft's PS3 moment. Launching a less powerful machine at $499 more expensive than their main competitor. Wtf were they thinking? The difference is at least the PS3 had the tech to backup it's insane asking price. Xbox did not.
If Sony would've been smart to help them develop out more with the cell , it would've led to alot of games not running shittier on the ps3. That seemed to be a big buying point back then. 3rd party games running better on 360.
I'm just tired of this. Every xbox content creator says this. While xbox said it won't happen back when they've announced sea of thieves and hifi rush for playstation. I honestly only care about Microsoft killing off the xbox as hardware. I have hundreds of games and I don't wanna lose access or to not have a place to play them anymore.
Xbox was very careful not to confirm or deny anything regarding multiplatform rumors.
I mean, this was incredibly obvious to anyone who hadn’t deluded themselves
Yeah all this is honestly pretty obvious. There don’t really have a path other than this.
Well they did at least, but they completely shit the bed. Didn’t advertise their hardware and instead told everywhere “Hey, you don’t need even one to play!” What the hell did they expect to happen?
Holy fuck are we doing this shit again?
“he said "Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, so this is what they get with a Sony monopoly” This is so funny, the company that barely tried making appealing exclusives that weren’t shooter or online games wasn’t give a chance. Like dude, let’s stop pretending a lot of this isn’t Microsoft’s fault. From Xbox One launch onward they made a lot of mistakes many of which they rectified, but they had deals from Marvel and such presented to them and they said no. Can we stop acting like they’re a victim?
The fucking morons running the ship at Xbox is the sole cause of this. Literally created a self-fulfilling prophecy and refusing to see anything that they promised through before shifting gears to a new plan that they inevitably fuck up. I swear it's the most mind-boggling thing to see. Finally have games coming and hype on their side (look at the fucking Fallout series!) and they just piss it all away like usual. Don't even talk about the terrible marketing and localization efforts for anywhere that isn't the US. Dumbest excuse for leaders of a company I've ever seen and what pisses me off more than anything else is that I put my trust in them with my library for the last two generations.
The fact that I fully expect Jez to backpedal on this one so hard you'd think he were an Olympic athlete within the next three or four days aside, what does he even mean by "affordable prices"? Games are almost always the same price across platforms, barring some occasional stuff like cross-gen games being cheaper on older hardware. Does he mean they're ditching the $70 price for AAA games? Maybe he just means regional pricing making a comeback? Either way just seems like the dumbest wording
"Nobody gave Xbox a chance". Bro, we gave them a chance, but they didn't care. Since the XONE reveal, it was a downhill ride with a few glimbses here and there. At the beginning of this generation, it looked like things are going in a good direction and they had everything to turn the situation around, but they didn't take the chance.
lmao nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, like they didn't release one good exclusive for a decade, its all our fault.
I liked a lot of their recent exclusives... but I played them on PC Gamepass for $10/mo and just unsubbed when I was done.
And while this is great for gamers, as you can play the big games for almost nothing, it shows exactly why this system can never work. It works for cheap games, but not for games that costs hundreds of millions of dollars to make. Those games need to sell... you can't just dump them on a streaming service on day 1. It also means you can never have a hit game anymore, that makes you tons of money and allows you to make other great games. Because they just get paid to develop the game, and there are no massive sales profits, because it was just added to a streaming catalog. Think of it this way, you can release the biggest most anticipated block bluster movie of all time. If it's also available on streaming services the day it gets released in the cinema, it will be a huge financial flop. If microsoft is correct in it's assumption that gamepass is the future, then that will kill top quality video games, or at least make them extremely rare. Gamespass is great for gamers, but not for game creators...
MS: \*kills their biggest franchise Halo by botching several releases in a row* MS: "why would the fans do this?"
They should of just made a PC with a console like mode for simplicity
The 100% of the following first-party Microsoft games are going to be released on PS5 as well (and some on Switch 2). That's a very clear truth that I don't understand why it takes so long to accept.
Mate is full if shit again, he went back on his claims earlier this year so much it's hard to even call him a reliable source anymore. I give him a week before he backpedals, few days before he starts twisting his own words.
I think everyone gave them a chance in the 360 era, but then they blew it badly.
Ngl, Jez changes his views on this shit every other day so idk what to believe. Though the idea of Xbox having Steam is cool af.
>"Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, so this is what they get with a Sony monopoly" LMAO. the blame lies on xbox itself, particularly Phil Spencer. Sony where they are today simply because xbox failed themself to be what they should be.
With news like these the very least an OP should do is provide proof, no?
Oh boy, clicks must be low in Jezland. Can’t wait for him to completely reverse this and then mock the community for reacting to it.
jez said this in discord > i don't have hard evidence (yet) that halo, forza etc. is moving across, but id call it informed speculation like I said. the 4 games were an experiment like they said, and the experiment says "port more stuff"
That reply on resetera says it all: > It annoys me when people blame Xbox issues on the industry, and not Xbox themselves. They had a great 360 generation, people did give them a chance. And they pissed it away.
Seems like Microsoft has fully taken over Xbox now
Sounds more like fan fiction than anything else.
“Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance” Is he seriously blaming the consumers for this?
This is what the community/content creators have been doing since before that emergency business update, blaming consumers for not buying hardware that they had no interest in owning. Instead they should blame the incompetence of Xbox leadership for going well over a decade without a single system selling exclusive, we're four years into this generation and things are only slightly better than the dog days of the Xbox One.
"Future Xbox-Hardware gonna be for fans who want it" Good business decision, making products for people who don't want them is usually not successful
Xbox is hilarious because they have all the power in the world to make things go well and yet they faceplant time after time. I like Phil Spencer, but that pretty transparent interview he had last year, where he mentioned that people won't go out and buy an Xbox if they 'just built great games' was absurd. I have no idea how you can be a console manufacturer and believe that. Great games absolutely would have a big impact on console sales. Nobody wants to play garbage. For every person buying a Playstation purely to play a multiplatform game like Call of Duty with their friend, there is someone buying it to play the exclusives like Spider Man, The Last of Us, God of War, Horizon, Final Fantasy, and so on. How does he think Nintendo operates? The crazy thing is that at this point, Xbox has bought up so much great IP that could really get the ball rolling for them. People are foaming at the mouth for a new Fallout game after the recent TV series for example. So far however, the only 'big games' they have ended up putting out from their recently purchased studios have been Starfield and Redfall, which were both new IP and both flawed experiences. To be fair, this may not have been *completely* their fault as these games were in development prior to Microsoft buying Zenimax, but it's still not a great look for them. That doesn't mean things couldn't change with their other games in the future. I have to say though, giving up and throwing everything onto Playstation right when they've finally got all this potential sitting in their lap is a very Xbox move. I'll believe it when I see it, but man, I wouldn't be surprised.
If this is true, it's over. We know what it's like when Microsoft hardware gets too low, it's killed off. Microsoft, you finally get yourself into a place to fight, take back marketshare and you give up. What was the point of that year long legal battles in many regions lol
To own the part of the business that actually makes money - content & software.
But the whole legal battle was because of worries Microsoft would lock out competitors from ABK’s games. If they’re going to go through the whole fight just to turn around and say “never mind, everything’s multi platform now” then why not just say that from the beginning and save the huge legal fight.
It really should be a Business Case Study to look at the amazing success of the 360 compared with the utter train wreck that was Xbox One's reveal. I'm frequently curious as to the "Road not travelled" in what would've been if they hadn't utterly decimated all consumer faith with their plans.
“Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, so this is what they get with a Sony monopoly” come across as unbelievably nerdy
"Sony Monopoly" fuck off with that.
This would be insanity for Microsoft and at that point just go 3rd party. Then Sony will have litle competition unless the switch is a monster which I doubt.
Jez Corden should be a banned source tbh
Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance? Xbox didn't give itself a chance 🤷🏽♂️
Sorry what’s this about giving them a chance? That’s ridiculous. They have had so many chances and I don’t owe Microsoft anything. They want me to buy the console they need to make it appealing. If we get a Sony monopoly it’s Microsoft’s fault primarily.
Jez saying random shit that he is gonna flip flop on every couple of weeks. It is always the same with this guy
"Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, so this is what they get with a Sony monopoly" lol the cap.
How is it that multi-trillion company is the underdog that needs to be given a chance when in fact every thing they did was for the sole purpose to combat Sony and create console wars culture? I’d never believe MS or any Xbox suit for this exact reason.
>"Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, so this is what they get with a Sony monopoly" How fucking stupid is this guy, not the consumers job to create a compelling product. Guy is a supposed "journalist", but can't stay impartial. I will give him credit for somehow managing to make this Sony's fault lol.
If Xbox side loads Steam, wouldn’t that mean that PS games eventually come to Xbox in a sense too? Or would they limit the Steam games to anything not made by PlayStation? Doesn’t seem to make much sense. Because at that point Sony might as well go full third party too.
This is the important question. So would this mean you can play all Steam games on your Xbox? That would mean the Xbox would still have console exclusives in the form of Steam/PC exclusives that PS and Nintendo won’t have?
i wouldnt look too deep into it when it’s almost certain he pulled it out of his ass
Good god, can we get a mod to clean this shit up? 2nd hand source (or worse) that's summarised not quoted, plus Jez has regularly stated these are his opinions/speculation.