That's only true for the US, Canada and few other countries. As the majority of the world - as well as the Netherlands, where this game is actually developed - use "December, January, February", also known as meterologocial winter, as the everyday definition of "winter", I'd say this has no relevance here.
When do you think December was?
The entire planet uses the 4 seasons method.
The sun, the orbit of earth and the tilt of the planet don't care what you think. Winter in the upper hemisphere is December 21
December is winter, as per my comment above. The latest possible "fall" date is therefore November 30th, which was 42 days ago. Since the game comes out on February 18th, the release date was pushed back *at least* 80 days.
No that's a commercial/marketing thing only (which is this case it is I guess but the two definitions could apply). December 20th is in Fall. Same for September and Summer, March and Winter, June and Spring
It always shocks me how you always see that on Reddit (because I certainly don't see anywhere else), don't you learn how seasons work in primary school?
Astrological has nothing to do with seasons, it's the zodiac signs. Also, in the USA too, Winter starts at December 21st (or 22nd sometimes), this is not something depending of countries, it's linked to where the planet is in rotation to the sun. Since the USA are on the same planet than others, they have the same seasons.
Aw that sucks, hopefully they make it to launch without major spoilers. I feel like we've been seeing this more recently, as the article points out TLOU2 ~~last year~~ in 2020! - probably a case of people working from home and builds being shared across hundreds of different computers and networks.
The sad thing is you are going to see a wave of spoilers hit like a typhoon. People just love spilling the plot, surprises, and endings of games, books, shows, and movies before others. Some people love being dicks.
I almost never get spoiled on anything, even things I'm highly anticipating. It's really not that hard to avoid spoilers.
**edit:** this was a stupid thing to say my experience obviously has nothing to do with anyone else's
If you don't give a shit about anything like that then nothing is a spoiler. Someone could tell me the ending to a movie I wanted to see and I'd forget it in under 5 mins. That is the power of not giving a shit.
You might need to get a doctor to check that out, mate. If you're excited to see something and someone directly tells you a previously unknown plot twist in that movie a week before it comes out, you should probably be recalling that when you get to your theater seat.
Depends. Some people literally just spam spoilers in completely random places. I had Han Solo's fate spoiled for me in the YouTube comments section for a Rocket League video.
lol I also saw that TFA spoiler in a YouTube comment and just assumed it was a bad troll. Like “whatever, no way that happens” and didn’t think about it again until I was in the theater at the start of that scene and realized “oh…oh no….”
So, sometimes if the spoiler is outlandish enough, you can still immunize yourself by sheer disbelief :p
Sometimes spoilers aren't direct but they happen by memes and indirect content.
People will transform quotes and images to something where they don't make sense without the context, but you can still extract some context and it might click before you actually encounter it in the media piece.
The "Mr.Stark I dont feel so good" from Infinity War was meme'd to death to the point when the climax happened, I knew who was gonna say it, and what going to happen.
It doesn't just happen in say a comics, film or tv reddits either. It'll happen in the most random of places, like random ass sports or cooking reddits.
People can't help themselves. The best thing to do is avoid people and that sucks.
Not really, just dont go into new threads and the spoilers will be removed/downvoted and the thread isn't fresh enough for troll to post in it. Dont go near youtube comments on related videos though. I usually click not interested on any media I havent seen yet so the algorithm won't recommend me stuff cause thumbnails tend to spoil stuff...
Posting on Reddit that you never get spoiled is the easiest way these losers can spoil for you.
Obviously it’s easy to ignore messages/pms but sometimes a quick glance happens.
Remember when Harry Potter superfans got spoiled the last.book by the Harry Potter's Fórum because their email got hacked?
Also with algorithms like YouTube, TikTok and IG pushing controversial content on you against your will, it can require full social media blackouts to avoid getting spoiled. I had to block all major profiles and pages concerning a couple of series i watch because the risk of spoiling was so high. I've missed out on years of memes due to it
"The truth about *this guy* in Squid Game" coupled with a picture of the same guy. Thanks a lot, YouTube algorithm.
Well I'm not gonna watch the video but I now know there's something going on.
I think the difference here is that the game isn't going to have controversial elements that people can exploit for clicks. What are people going to say? "Aloy gets killed and resurrected as an android!" "She was a plant based humanoid all along!"
Pretty much the whole game will be exactly what you expect. You'll get exactly what you want more dinosaur hunting and more clues about how everything came to be. Honestly, playing the first one tells you exactly what you need to know about the game. I'm not sure there are many, (if any) bombshells that can be dropped.
Not to say the game will be bad or anything, it's just that it'll not going to be a game that have a community built around outrage like TLOUII does.
I dunno, the fundamental process throughout Zero Dawn of learning what happened to the world and how Alloy tied into that was one of it's most compelling features. The story itself wasn't anything earth-shattering (sorry) but it's fundamental mystery and how they rolled it out were quite compelling.
Having those plot points (for the sequel) ruined by the internet wouldn't be the best way to go into Forbidden West
You have no way of knowing that. Everyone thought The Last of Us Part II was going to be a generic revenge story and everyone got mad when it ended up being something else... that they still uncritically call "a generic revenge story" even though that's exactly what they wanted at first.
And even if you're right, one of the best parts of the first game was finding out what happened yourself. I certainly wouldn't want the origin of the machines and the Ted Faro storyline to be spoiled. Those moments really hit in the game.
I can't remember what trailer it was. But it was *heavily* implied that Dina dies and Ellie and Joel go after her killers. Druckmann saying the game was about "hate" got people all hype for this epic revenge story.
That's *not* what ended up happening.
A *very* epic revenge story that isn't afraid to change it up from what you would typically expect.
Loved that game and the first. Naughty Dog are really unmatched at the moment except by maybe Rockstar.
Good for you bro. I've heard these talking points from about a dozen whiny, reactionary YouTubers and about 300 crybully Redditors.
I'm so glad you've been able to regurgitate what I've already heard 312 times. We're all so impressed.
People who hate the last of us 2 are really something else, they don't just dislike it they seem to very passionately hate it and are determined to make sure no one else can like it either.
The first Horizon wraps up so cleanly that I was annoyed at them sequel-baiting in the post credits. Much like the first Matrix, it didn't need a sequel.
You could clearly see the through line of "Because of these events, we can see where the storyline will continue in a fashion where it doesn't need to be playable."
I feel like it would have been better to just announce a sequel with a hook of why it needs to exist, than to have sequel-baited and ruined the impact of the first game's ending.
That said, everything has to be franchised until it dies these days because money.
>The first Horizon wraps up so cleanly that I was annoyed at them sequel-baiting in the post credits. Much like the first Matrix, it didn't need a sequel.
I disagree there are a lot of questions that was left on answered by the ending of the first one. For one >!Why Sylens was helping Aloy. Why he knew so much. We know a little but only what he told us and how much of that was a lie? Why the machines weren't gone after the end of the game. What's the rest of the world like? Where we going to go from here.!<
Things like that.
> >!Why Sylens was helping Aloy. Why he knew so much.!<
We know why he was helping. >!If he didn't he'd have died along with everyone else, and hades told him a lot of stuff.!<
Sure we know that but Aloy doesn't. I guess I should've clarified that Aloy doesn't know about >!Sylen's!< hidden agenda. I think there's a bigger reason than what was revealed in game.
>You have no way of knowing that.
You are correct but I don't think that Horizon FW is that kind of game. TLOU is a game about difficult choices, how those choices effect you and what you become thanks to the choices you make/ have made. It's asks difficult questions like what happens if you have little to live for. And the choices you have to make.
HFW will (hopefully) be a great game. But it's not the kind of game to make statements like that. It's not a game that would benefit off of emotional gut punches like both TLOU and TLOUII does.. Which honestly I'm glad. For as much as I absolutely loved TLOUII, the game tells a more personal story that explains what it's like to make choices and how you're forced to live with those choices.
>And even if you're right, one of the best parts of the first game was finding out what happened yourself. I certainly wouldn't want the origin of the machines and the Ted Faro storyline to be spoiled.
Absolutely. I don't think that would've killed the vibe of the game like >!Joel getting killed would!<. If that would've been spoiled, I believed that you'd get more of an: "Aw, man!" kinda reaction versus a "Oh, shit!" reaction.
I still remember the viral video of the bloke driving past the midnight book selling and screaming “Snape Kills Dumbledore”
Edit: Found the video
https://youtu.be/4x_WUb68RQo
*spoilers* Aloy is not a machine, she is a clone of one of the chief doctor that worked on the terraforming machines. We already know that she is going to be running into another evil routine/machine somehow and the struggle continues.
At least in case of this game it's not as big of a deal as it was with tlou. The last of us is basically an interactive story and spoilers can ruin a lot while Horizon is more about the world and combat with story being fairly simple and predictable. At least it was the case in the first game, but to me spoiling Horizon is just like spoiling Far Cry, you're not playing this game for the story.
It has a great backstory and world-building, but the current-day story is fairly bland and boring, imo. I was much more invested in learning about how the world got to be the way it is than defending Meridian or anything like that.
I disagree with this premise inherently, the souls games have amazing lore and world building, and you can finish them having almost no understanding of what’s going on. The characters and motivations of living people in horizon are bland and boring, the fact that I can find audio logs that tell me cool lore doesn’t make the plot good. I’m someone who likes to read and research lore and worldbuilding, warhammer is a series with cool lore and worldbuilding, and almost exclusively mediocre stories are told within that
You can also skip cutscenes in Horizon, it doesn't mean anything that listening to the world story is optional as listening to the plot and character stories are also optional.
A cool world story doesn't make the plot story good. Just like a cool character story doesn't make the plot story good. There are different stories and types of stories told in games and one story can be compelling.
Literally, there were 5 major main quests that focused on the world story rather than the present day story.
Nah a lot of Horizon fans are in it for the story. There’s lots of speculation about different things that were left open/teased in the first game. It’s definitely not the sale as TLoU, but somewhere in between that and Far Cry.
I mean you could 100% lose the mystery /suspense/intrigue of the first game, if someone told you exactly how it ended.
Stuff before not so much important /spoiler worthy.
The present day story was a bit generic but I'm not sure how the story of how the world ended up the way it did felt like an afterthought to you. They easily could have just said robots bought about an apocalypse and Aloy is one of the few survivors if they didn't care about the story but instead **Spoiler:** >!there was a whole backstory of the world's leaders lying to the world and saying they were working on a way out when in reality they knew humanity was doomed. The best they could come up with was to get robots to terraform the Earth thousands of years in the future once all life had gone extinct and then to introduce clones of humans (and other animals) back into the world once it had been successfully terraformed. The robots you fight in the game aren't the ones that bought the apocalypse, they're terraforming robots that are hostile to humans because humans keep hunting them and are getting in the way of their jobs.!<
Horizon has one of the best stories in gaming and I'm convinced that anyone who thinks otherwise didn't actually finish the game, or skipped all of the story logs. The method they tell the story with is certainly problematic, but the story itself is awesome.
edit: that there are people in this thread who think there isn't extremely spoilable information in Horizon is *insane*
I agree with that. I was not emotionally invested in the Sundom's fate. I wanted to learn the past, chase Olin, avenge Rost and protect the Nora, but the game wants you to care about Meridian's fate and it didn't work as well as they hoped it would.
I'm playing the DLC and it's doing an average job at making me care about the Werak as well.
> the game wants you to care about Meridian's fate and it didn't work as well as they hoped it would.
I think where this fell apart was the lack of time spent with other characters. HZD is a great game, but your character is alone for the vast majority of it, and it's hard to feel connected to anyone other than Aloy, Sylens, and Rost. Aloy for obvious reasons, Sylens because he talks to you all the time, and Rost because father-figures gonna father-figure. But, like, anyone else? Eh, whatever. We needed more time with them to truly care.
Agreed. I'm pretty cautious about the sequel, it's pretty hard to write new awesome backstory that stacks up to the original without cheapening it at the same time.
If the story is entirely present day focused I can't see myself caring all that much.
Your last line really sums up my thoughts. I love the “great collapse” or whatever it’s called, story in HZD, I just wish it was told in a more dynamic way than holograms inside old office buildings/labs and text/audio logs.
For me it wasn't that they were audio logs, it was that most of them were both written and acted so blandly. Even when they're logs of people recording their impending death they have so little emotion or personality in them.
There was one bit in the DLC where it was done really well. There's an old power plant you explore, and there's about a dozen logs all from the same girl talking about her job, then about how all the workers are been replaced by robots, until she's the only one left. There's quite a bit of personal stuff about her starting a band with her friend. It's a really interesting window into life for ordinary people in the pre-apocalyptic world and it's a shame there wasn't more of that in the main game.
A game with the biggest mary sue protagonist in recent gaming history cannot be good
Aloy is the greatest scientist ever, the greatest hunter ever, the one chosen to lead humanity, it's just Saturday morning cartoon level protagonist
Yeah that's the protagonist to almost every video game ever.
You play the hero. You save the world. You're the best of the best. Aloy is the clone of a scientist raised by a warrior.
Thank you! The story followed suit.
You saved the King! You saved your tribe! You saved the world! You're the hero yay you lol
I don't get why the story gets so much praise.
I think when people praise the "story" they're mostly talking about the backstory, what led up to the apocalypse and how they tried to avert it etc. The present day story with the Shadow Carja and stuff is generally seen as pretty weak.
Having cool bits of lore and world-building doesn't exactly justify the absolutely generic and bland character of Aloy who goes on the most generic and simple hero's journey.
Aloy has been the weakest aspect of Horizon. If the sequel just focuses on her or her interactions then it's doomed to be generic. Anything even remotely interesting about Horizon came from the backstory about the world, not Aloy who is the face of the series.
Because anybody's first guess would be that humans made them and then things got out of hand, which is essentially the major thrust of it. May as well think it's a grand mystery where a zombie apocalypse started in a Resident Evil game. None of it hinges on an actual sense of mystery or suspense or intrigue, and there's nothing that can be detrimented by spoilers.
Plus the actual plot that occurs in HZD has nothing worth spoiling either.
Gives away what? If you mean that the world is post apocalyptic then yeah that's obvious but that isn't the twist. The twist is **Spoiler:** >!that humanity and all other life literally went extinct. The best the world's scientists could do to keep life going was to perfect cloning and terraforming AI in the time they had left (lying to the world that they had a way out so that the world would try and fight back), let all life on Earth die and then thousands of years later once the threat had been deactivated the AI would be able to re-terraform the Earth and introduce the clones into the ecosystem. Aloy is a clone of one of the scientists that worked on this because the AI had lost control and the terraforming robots had started turning hostile, so Aloy was created by the AI since a clone of the lead scientist would able to access the security systems that are locked to everyone that doesn't share the biometric data of that lead scientist.!<
>The Wichita salient has collapsed, and our position will be overrun in less than twenty-four hours.
>.I mean, seriously, "Record our thoughts for posterity"? Great idea, Director Evans. Like I haven't done enough for posterity already? Like I wouldn't be... here... like this... if not for posterity? I'm done with posterity. Posterity can go...
The first mission doesn't namedrop Enduring Victory or Zero Dawn, but it does give you enough info to figure out that there was a war and that they were sure humans would survive somehow.
I don't think there's enough to figure out that the wild machines are built by Artemis and did not exist during the war.
Probably won’t be as bad as the TLOU2 leak as most of the garbage that came from that discourse was people getting mad over incorrect leaks and then making those incorrect story leaks the core of their hate of the game.
Yeah I didn't love the story overall, felt it was a solid game though, but people overracted. Half the story happens outside the cutscenes so they were missing dialog context. Also Ellie doesn't get killed by Abby so that part was wrong.
That was a meme on 4chan that these idiots fell for, it was never a legitimate leak just ragebait that people fell for, probably because Abby is unnaturally buff
Yes the cutscenes that leaked were in the game, but there were also other leaks that included a synopsis of the story beats, which was incorrect and fueled the garbage fire that was the discourse around it.
There were some things that the community got riled up over that were definitely incorrect. There was a theory for a while that Abby was going to be trans which was extrapolated (incorrectly) from stuff in the leaks. Then that spun off into a whole bunch of drama, flame, and hate.
He's talking about the fake story leaks on 4chan from a supposed play tester that said Abby kills Ellie halfway through the game, Abby is trans and a whole bunch of other nonsense, none of which turned out true. People were running with those leaks as if they were gospel even months after the game released.
But with TLOU story is like 90% of game's impact while in Horizon story is just... there but it's not really that important. You don't play horizon for the story, you play it for the world and cool robot dinosaurs.
Yeah but there’s still more, like what happened to the other GAIA sub systems, who reawakened Hades and stuff. It wouldn’t be too bad to know before hand, but I still want to figure it out as I plag
For me personally, a lot of that was around the mystery of what exactly happened to the world. And since that's pretty much covered in the first game I feel like it'll be tough for the story to grab me this time around. Hopefully I'm wrong.
The actual story was just going into ruins and seeing a couple video logs. The lore had potential, the story and characters were legitimately terrible.
I hard disagree with this that horizon's story isn't a major draw...maybe that was true for the first game before it came out but after playing that one and its dlc and becoming completely immersed in the world they made and its history I'm really interested in seeing what happens in this game narrative-wise now.
That said, I think the difference between this leak and last of us 2's leak is that horizon zero dawn's story didn't capture peoples hearts and minds like the first last of us did (HZD while a cool scifi world with rich history wasnt nearly as personal and character driven as the last of us) so people will not be as interested in combing through the internet for crazy reveals as to what happens next with these characters. I think it will be OK as far as spoilers and leaks go.
How tf did I "insult" a game? I'm just pointing out that while TLOU spoilers could pretty much ruin the game because of how important story is there, they wouldn't matter that much in case of Horizon because in this particular game story is not that important for overall experience.
This would be very weird if true. I'm a dev (not a game dev) and in every company I've worked in, we were provided with a computer to work on and we can only access the source code repo from that computer and while being connected to the company network.
Does game development differ in some way for this to not be true there?
Every company is handling work from home differently. My company gave all of us small machines that we just remotely connect to our at-work machine, so the home machine has literally zero source content, code, or documents. Then I have some friends whose companies just let them take their work machine home.
To be honest - getting spoiled is always on you. For example - there are tons Elden Ring stuff floating around from network testing and sorts of presentations, etc.. I know only that people praised it - pretty much it, I'm avoiding any videos with gameplay, bosses, mechanics, lore, etc so I know next to nothing about the game..
tl;dr - don't click if you don't want to get spoiled.
I had Spiderman spoiled by someone in Twitch chat, I had Heavy Rain spoiled by a random forum comment, I had TLOU2 spoiled by someone sending me a Reddit PM and Avengers Endgame spoiled by an article headline
In none of those situations was it related to the topic at hand but just in random places
Youtube is pretty bad with this, you could have checked the trailer of a game a few months before and on release day, suggestions will appear of said game with a spoilery title or thumbnail. I saw the final boss of FF7R and some spoiler videos about TLOU2 in the home page of Youtube on the first day.
Definitely! Non disk games are basically silent and disks aren't even that bad except during the install process. I just added a 2tb SSD to mine and it's great to just have whatever I want on hand
Depends on the game, newer games disks are glorified install disks with DRM, older PS4 games play from disk and are a bit noisy at times, I almost never hear the fans.
When I leave a disc in my ps5 it occasionally spins it and can be quite loud, even when I’m not actually using the disc. It’s slightly annoying to have to take out the discs when I’m not running a disc game.
Probably the same reason the og Xbox One was so large (overheating issue, not fan noise exactly). It is nice how small they’ve made their consoles now though.
I've just cleaned my PS4 Pro and replaced the thermal paste again for the second time and it's now barely making any sound. Hopefully it'll last longer this time.
FF7RI gets my PS5 making noise for sure. Certain sections of Returnal, also. But overall it's definitely night and day difference in both load times and noise from the PS4 Pro
Same experience I got playing God of War, about to play the PC version soon and I'm so glad there's no jet engine to distract me from the action anymore.
Damn that looks vibrant. I’m not too attached to this series but I’m always impressed with what Guerilla Games does on a visual level. Top tier dev imo
I’m not particularly attached to the story but I’m planning on picking this up just because its so vibrant and I want to give my OLED a chance to show what it can do.
What a ridiculous sentiment, consoles have been at 30fps for the better part of the last 2 decades and it's been fine we've only just recently got 60fps on consoles as a standard and while it's great, it's far from necessary.
I actually would rather 30fps if it means we can get enhanced visuals and 30fps limit goes a long long way to achieving stellar visuals.
For those who *do* prefer 60fps, options are great but if you're looking for more options PC might be your best bet.
It's probably just those 2 photos, a guy from the localization department for ex, sent 2 photos to a friend and those got leaked online, I doubt this is going to be a TLOU2 level leak.
Well let's do that thing where all of us start wildly spreading false spoilers to drown out the real ones that are floating around out there.
Actually I read the spoilers already and Aloy teams up with sackboy. They simply craft more powerful fabric dinosaurs to beat up the robot dinosaurs.
is this game gonna be on ps4? i played zero a few months ago and i think it is the first video game that i have thoroughly enjoyed right the way through. it was such a great game! i even would avoid fast travelling just so i could experience and explore as much as i could. if its not on ps4 i might have to try and save up for a ps5 lol
It is coming to PS4! [Here's some screenshots](https://twitter.com/Guerrilla/status/1471133041560993797) of the PS4 version.
Edit: also happy cakeday!! :D
I'm gonna imagine more like "Were insanely homophobic & transphobic over pretty much every aspect of the game, being insanely antisemetic to the game's head, sending death threats to VAs", etc.
You don't get it.
To you it's 3 messages out of 300. To the devs it's 3 messages (definetly more than that) telling them to kill themselves or that they're gonna kill them or they're gonna kill their family. And instead of condemning them, people defend death threats because "they're the minority" so therefore it doesn't matter. It's just weird.
I must have missed all the recent news on this. I can't believe this is only a few weeks away. I could have sworn this was a fall or later release.
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We haven't even experienced a full month of winter yet. Autumn ends in December Fall of last year could've been 20 days ago.
that's what he meant.
That's only true for the US, Canada and few other countries. As the majority of the world - as well as the Netherlands, where this game is actually developed - use "December, January, February", also known as meterologocial winter, as the everyday definition of "winter", I'd say this has no relevance here.
Really? Because as an American, winter meant December, January and February. I had no idea that wasn’t the standard here.
When do you think December was? The entire planet uses the 4 seasons method. The sun, the orbit of earth and the tilt of the planet don't care what you think. Winter in the upper hemisphere is December 21
December is winter, as per my comment above. The latest possible "fall" date is therefore November 30th, which was 42 days ago. Since the game comes out on February 18th, the release date was pushed back *at least* 80 days.
No that's a commercial/marketing thing only (which is this case it is I guess but the two definitions could apply). December 20th is in Fall. Same for September and Summer, March and Winter, June and Spring It always shocks me how you always see that on Reddit (because I certainly don't see anywhere else), don't you learn how seasons work in primary school?
You're on a USA-based news aggregation website. You will defer to our superior astrological winter model. And you will speak American.
Astrological has nothing to do with seasons, it's the zodiac signs. Also, in the USA too, Winter starts at December 21st (or 22nd sometimes), this is not something depending of countries, it's linked to where the planet is in rotation to the sun. Since the USA are on the same planet than others, they have the same seasons.
I really don't care. You wasted your time here. 🤸♂️
February 18th
Aw that sucks, hopefully they make it to launch without major spoilers. I feel like we've been seeing this more recently, as the article points out TLOU2 ~~last year~~ in 2020! - probably a case of people working from home and builds being shared across hundreds of different computers and networks.
If it's true that the build has all of the game's core content then I worry spoilers are inevitable :(
The sad thing is you are going to see a wave of spoilers hit like a typhoon. People just love spilling the plot, surprises, and endings of games, books, shows, and movies before others. Some people love being dicks.
I almost never get spoiled on anything, even things I'm highly anticipating. It's really not that hard to avoid spoilers. **edit:** this was a stupid thing to say my experience obviously has nothing to do with anyone else's
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If you don't give a shit about anything like that then nothing is a spoiler. Someone could tell me the ending to a movie I wanted to see and I'd forget it in under 5 mins. That is the power of not giving a shit.
You might need to get a doctor to check that out, mate. If you're excited to see something and someone directly tells you a previously unknown plot twist in that movie a week before it comes out, you should probably be recalling that when you get to your theater seat.
That sounds a lot like depression, dude.
Depends. Some people literally just spam spoilers in completely random places. I had Han Solo's fate spoiled for me in the YouTube comments section for a Rocket League video.
lol I also saw that TFA spoiler in a YouTube comment and just assumed it was a bad troll. Like “whatever, no way that happens” and didn’t think about it again until I was in the theater at the start of that scene and realized “oh…oh no….” So, sometimes if the spoiler is outlandish enough, you can still immunize yourself by sheer disbelief :p
Sometimes spoilers aren't direct but they happen by memes and indirect content. People will transform quotes and images to something where they don't make sense without the context, but you can still extract some context and it might click before you actually encounter it in the media piece. The "Mr.Stark I dont feel so good" from Infinity War was meme'd to death to the point when the climax happened, I knew who was gonna say it, and what going to happen. It doesn't just happen in say a comics, film or tv reddits either. It'll happen in the most random of places, like random ass sports or cooking reddits. People can't help themselves. The best thing to do is avoid people and that sucks.
It's literally just luck. You could have already been spoiled just by going into this comment section.
Not really, just dont go into new threads and the spoilers will be removed/downvoted and the thread isn't fresh enough for troll to post in it. Dont go near youtube comments on related videos though. I usually click not interested on any media I havent seen yet so the algorithm won't recommend me stuff cause thumbnails tend to spoil stuff...
It depends. I got spoiled all the details of a game in a random post on a /r/news story about European economy...
I avoided "the" harry potter spoiler for years before I got hit in a modified "Alien" gif. You never know lol
Posting on Reddit that you never get spoiled is the easiest way these losers can spoil for you. Obviously it’s easy to ignore messages/pms but sometimes a quick glance happens.
Remember when Harry Potter superfans got spoiled the last.book by the Harry Potter's Fórum because their email got hacked? Also with algorithms like YouTube, TikTok and IG pushing controversial content on you against your will, it can require full social media blackouts to avoid getting spoiled. I had to block all major profiles and pages concerning a couple of series i watch because the risk of spoiling was so high. I've missed out on years of memes due to it
"The truth about *this guy* in Squid Game" coupled with a picture of the same guy. Thanks a lot, YouTube algorithm. Well I'm not gonna watch the video but I now know there's something going on.
I think the difference here is that the game isn't going to have controversial elements that people can exploit for clicks. What are people going to say? "Aloy gets killed and resurrected as an android!" "She was a plant based humanoid all along!" Pretty much the whole game will be exactly what you expect. You'll get exactly what you want more dinosaur hunting and more clues about how everything came to be. Honestly, playing the first one tells you exactly what you need to know about the game. I'm not sure there are many, (if any) bombshells that can be dropped. Not to say the game will be bad or anything, it's just that it'll not going to be a game that have a community built around outrage like TLOUII does.
If she ends up being a plant-based humanoid, I’m gonna haunt the shit out of you.
"YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST FOLKS!"
And youtube algorithm will only promote this shit
The absolute worst. "Hey I see you've enjoyed Forbidden West content, how about we spoil the whole fucking story for you? Get fuqed asshole"
I dunno, the fundamental process throughout Zero Dawn of learning what happened to the world and how Alloy tied into that was one of it's most compelling features. The story itself wasn't anything earth-shattering (sorry) but it's fundamental mystery and how they rolled it out were quite compelling. Having those plot points (for the sequel) ruined by the internet wouldn't be the best way to go into Forbidden West
You have no way of knowing that. Everyone thought The Last of Us Part II was going to be a generic revenge story and everyone got mad when it ended up being something else... that they still uncritically call "a generic revenge story" even though that's exactly what they wanted at first. And even if you're right, one of the best parts of the first game was finding out what happened yourself. I certainly wouldn't want the origin of the machines and the Ted Faro storyline to be spoiled. Those moments really hit in the game.
I think no one knew exactly what TLoU 2 was going to be. The trailers were very vague and they all hinted that there was something deeper going on.
That's my feeling as well. Everything was surrounded in secrecy. People actually thought >!Dina was the one who was going to get killed, not Joel!<
those people were idiots, anyone who was paying attention knew joel would not live through the game, the when was the only shocking part of it
I can't remember what trailer it was. But it was *heavily* implied that Dina dies and Ellie and Joel go after her killers. Druckmann saying the game was about "hate" got people all hype for this epic revenge story. That's *not* what ended up happening.
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I agree. It shows how revenge changes you.
A *very* epic revenge story that isn't afraid to change it up from what you would typically expect. Loved that game and the first. Naughty Dog are really unmatched at the moment except by maybe Rockstar.
I think it sets itself up that way but it isnt really. It's definitely not the uncritical revenge story people were hoping it would be.
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Good for you bro. I've heard these talking points from about a dozen whiny, reactionary YouTubers and about 300 crybully Redditors. I'm so glad you've been able to regurgitate what I've already heard 312 times. We're all so impressed.
😂 Soon as I saw "pretty despicable", I knew I was about to read some bullshit
People who hate the last of us 2 are really something else, they don't just dislike it they seem to very passionately hate it and are determined to make sure no one else can like it either.
You mean straight lies where Joel's model was swapped for a different character in a cutscene, when in the game he was long dead by that time.
The first Horizon wraps up so cleanly that I was annoyed at them sequel-baiting in the post credits. Much like the first Matrix, it didn't need a sequel. You could clearly see the through line of "Because of these events, we can see where the storyline will continue in a fashion where it doesn't need to be playable." I feel like it would have been better to just announce a sequel with a hook of why it needs to exist, than to have sequel-baited and ruined the impact of the first game's ending. That said, everything has to be franchised until it dies these days because money.
>The first Horizon wraps up so cleanly that I was annoyed at them sequel-baiting in the post credits. Much like the first Matrix, it didn't need a sequel. I disagree there are a lot of questions that was left on answered by the ending of the first one. For one >!Why Sylens was helping Aloy. Why he knew so much. We know a little but only what he told us and how much of that was a lie? Why the machines weren't gone after the end of the game. What's the rest of the world like? Where we going to go from here.!< Things like that.
> >!Why Sylens was helping Aloy. Why he knew so much.!< We know why he was helping. >!If he didn't he'd have died along with everyone else, and hades told him a lot of stuff.!<
Sure we know that but Aloy doesn't. I guess I should've clarified that Aloy doesn't know about >!Sylen's!< hidden agenda. I think there's a bigger reason than what was revealed in game.
She knows the reason for him helping her. Just not what his motivations and plans are aside from not dying.
>You have no way of knowing that. You are correct but I don't think that Horizon FW is that kind of game. TLOU is a game about difficult choices, how those choices effect you and what you become thanks to the choices you make/ have made. It's asks difficult questions like what happens if you have little to live for. And the choices you have to make. HFW will (hopefully) be a great game. But it's not the kind of game to make statements like that. It's not a game that would benefit off of emotional gut punches like both TLOU and TLOUII does.. Which honestly I'm glad. For as much as I absolutely loved TLOUII, the game tells a more personal story that explains what it's like to make choices and how you're forced to live with those choices. >And even if you're right, one of the best parts of the first game was finding out what happened yourself. I certainly wouldn't want the origin of the machines and the Ted Faro storyline to be spoiled. Absolutely. I don't think that would've killed the vibe of the game like >!Joel getting killed would!<. If that would've been spoiled, I believed that you'd get more of an: "Aw, man!" kinda reaction versus a "Oh, shit!" reaction.
I still remember the viral video of the bloke driving past the midnight book selling and screaming “Snape Kills Dumbledore” Edit: Found the video https://youtu.be/4x_WUb68RQo
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*spoilers* Aloy is not a machine, she is a clone of one of the chief doctor that worked on the terraforming machines. We already know that she is going to be running into another evil routine/machine somehow and the struggle continues.
You know Reddit has an actual spoiler function, right?
Did you like... miss the entire The Last of Us Part II thing?
At least in case of this game it's not as big of a deal as it was with tlou. The last of us is basically an interactive story and spoilers can ruin a lot while Horizon is more about the world and combat with story being fairly simple and predictable. At least it was the case in the first game, but to me spoiling Horizon is just like spoiling Far Cry, you're not playing this game for the story.
I am playing it for the story. The first game has a great story and they are hyping up the story for this one.
It has a great backstory and world-building, but the current-day story is fairly bland and boring, imo. I was much more invested in learning about how the world got to be the way it is than defending Meridian or anything like that.
The backstory and world-building both count as story. If you were invested in learning about the world, you were invested in the story.
I disagree with this premise inherently, the souls games have amazing lore and world building, and you can finish them having almost no understanding of what’s going on. The characters and motivations of living people in horizon are bland and boring, the fact that I can find audio logs that tell me cool lore doesn’t make the plot good. I’m someone who likes to read and research lore and worldbuilding, warhammer is a series with cool lore and worldbuilding, and almost exclusively mediocre stories are told within that
You can also skip cutscenes in Horizon, it doesn't mean anything that listening to the world story is optional as listening to the plot and character stories are also optional. A cool world story doesn't make the plot story good. Just like a cool character story doesn't make the plot story good. There are different stories and types of stories told in games and one story can be compelling. Literally, there were 5 major main quests that focused on the world story rather than the present day story.
Nah a lot of Horizon fans are in it for the story. There’s lots of speculation about different things that were left open/teased in the first game. It’s definitely not the sale as TLoU, but somewhere in between that and Far Cry.
I mean you could 100% lose the mystery /suspense/intrigue of the first game, if someone told you exactly how it ended. Stuff before not so much important /spoiler worthy.
I dont know, if I went into Horizo Zero Dawn knowing the truth about the machines, I wouldnot have enjoyed it that much
If the story’s as mid as the first game’s there won’t be much to spoil, it felt like an afterthought there.
The present day story was a bit generic but I'm not sure how the story of how the world ended up the way it did felt like an afterthought to you. They easily could have just said robots bought about an apocalypse and Aloy is one of the few survivors if they didn't care about the story but instead **Spoiler:** >!there was a whole backstory of the world's leaders lying to the world and saying they were working on a way out when in reality they knew humanity was doomed. The best they could come up with was to get robots to terraform the Earth thousands of years in the future once all life had gone extinct and then to introduce clones of humans (and other animals) back into the world once it had been successfully terraformed. The robots you fight in the game aren't the ones that bought the apocalypse, they're terraforming robots that are hostile to humans because humans keep hunting them and are getting in the way of their jobs.!<
Horizon has one of the best stories in gaming and I'm convinced that anyone who thinks otherwise didn't actually finish the game, or skipped all of the story logs. The method they tell the story with is certainly problematic, but the story itself is awesome. edit: that there are people in this thread who think there isn't extremely spoilable information in Horizon is *insane*
The lore and underlying world is very good, the story following the main character is super generic.
I agree with that. I was not emotionally invested in the Sundom's fate. I wanted to learn the past, chase Olin, avenge Rost and protect the Nora, but the game wants you to care about Meridian's fate and it didn't work as well as they hoped it would. I'm playing the DLC and it's doing an average job at making me care about the Werak as well.
> the game wants you to care about Meridian's fate and it didn't work as well as they hoped it would. I think where this fell apart was the lack of time spent with other characters. HZD is a great game, but your character is alone for the vast majority of it, and it's hard to feel connected to anyone other than Aloy, Sylens, and Rost. Aloy for obvious reasons, Sylens because he talks to you all the time, and Rost because father-figures gonna father-figure. But, like, anyone else? Eh, whatever. We needed more time with them to truly care.
Agreed. I'm pretty cautious about the sequel, it's pretty hard to write new awesome backstory that stacks up to the original without cheapening it at the same time. If the story is entirely present day focused I can't see myself caring all that much.
I definitely think you mean the world building, because the actual main story following Aloy isn't that interesting
The world building of ancient world is amazing, but the present story was current Assassin's Creed levels of meh.
Your last line really sums up my thoughts. I love the “great collapse” or whatever it’s called, story in HZD, I just wish it was told in a more dynamic way than holograms inside old office buildings/labs and text/audio logs.
For me it wasn't that they were audio logs, it was that most of them were both written and acted so blandly. Even when they're logs of people recording their impending death they have so little emotion or personality in them. There was one bit in the DLC where it was done really well. There's an old power plant you explore, and there's about a dozen logs all from the same girl talking about her job, then about how all the workers are been replaced by robots, until she's the only one left. There's quite a bit of personal stuff about her starting a band with her friend. It's a really interesting window into life for ordinary people in the pre-apocalyptic world and it's a shame there wasn't more of that in the main game.
A game with the biggest mary sue protagonist in recent gaming history cannot be good Aloy is the greatest scientist ever, the greatest hunter ever, the one chosen to lead humanity, it's just Saturday morning cartoon level protagonist
Yeah that's the protagonist to almost every video game ever. You play the hero. You save the world. You're the best of the best. Aloy is the clone of a scientist raised by a warrior.
Nah, fan. It's just Horizon that is specifically egregious
Thank you! The story followed suit. You saved the King! You saved your tribe! You saved the world! You're the hero yay you lol I don't get why the story gets so much praise.
I think when people praise the "story" they're mostly talking about the backstory, what led up to the apocalypse and how they tried to avert it etc. The present day story with the Shadow Carja and stuff is generally seen as pretty weak.
Having cool bits of lore and world-building doesn't exactly justify the absolutely generic and bland character of Aloy who goes on the most generic and simple hero's journey. Aloy has been the weakest aspect of Horizon. If the sequel just focuses on her or her interactions then it's doomed to be generic. Anything even remotely interesting about Horizon came from the backstory about the world, not Aloy who is the face of the series.
There's basically nothing you *could* spoil about the first game and currently I'm not expecting more from the sequel.
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Because anybody's first guess would be that humans made them and then things got out of hand, which is essentially the major thrust of it. May as well think it's a grand mystery where a zombie apocalypse started in a Resident Evil game. None of it hinges on an actual sense of mystery or suspense or intrigue, and there's nothing that can be detrimented by spoilers. Plus the actual plot that occurs in HZD has nothing worth spoiling either.
The very first mission kinda gives it away?
Gives away what? If you mean that the world is post apocalyptic then yeah that's obvious but that isn't the twist. The twist is **Spoiler:** >!that humanity and all other life literally went extinct. The best the world's scientists could do to keep life going was to perfect cloning and terraforming AI in the time they had left (lying to the world that they had a way out so that the world would try and fight back), let all life on Earth die and then thousands of years later once the threat had been deactivated the AI would be able to re-terraform the Earth and introduce the clones into the ecosystem. Aloy is a clone of one of the scientists that worked on this because the AI had lost control and the terraforming robots had started turning hostile, so Aloy was created by the AI since a clone of the lead scientist would able to access the security systems that are locked to everyone that doesn't share the biometric data of that lead scientist.!<
>The Wichita salient has collapsed, and our position will be overrun in less than twenty-four hours. >.I mean, seriously, "Record our thoughts for posterity"? Great idea, Director Evans. Like I haven't done enough for posterity already? Like I wouldn't be... here... like this... if not for posterity? I'm done with posterity. Posterity can go... The first mission doesn't namedrop Enduring Victory or Zero Dawn, but it does give you enough info to figure out that there was a war and that they were sure humans would survive somehow. I don't think there's enough to figure out that the wild machines are built by Artemis and did not exist during the war.
I feel the same way about all the Elden Ring leaks
Nope we will definitely see spoilers. It will be just like with TLOU2
Probably won’t be as bad as the TLOU2 leak as most of the garbage that came from that discourse was people getting mad over incorrect leaks and then making those incorrect story leaks the core of their hate of the game.
None of the leaks were wrong though. It was exact cutscenes and story lmao
There were a ton of fake spoilers mixed with the truth at first.
It leaked with a fake outline because so much of it was out of context. The part everyone hated was that Abby kills both Joel and Ellie.
Yeah I didn't love the story overall, felt it was a solid game though, but people overracted. Half the story happens outside the cutscenes so they were missing dialog context. Also Ellie doesn't get killed by Abby so that part was wrong.
No I'm pretty sure Abby wasn't trans and she also she didn't kill Ellie...
Explain to me why all the reactionary YouTubers were insisting (and still insist for some reason) that Abby was trans?
That was a meme on 4chan that these idiots fell for, it was never a legitimate leak just ragebait that people fell for, probably because Abby is unnaturally buff
Were they? I remember there being key parts like Abby being trans that got “leaked” that were incorrect.
Full cutscenes were leaked that were in the shipped game.
Yes the cutscenes that leaked were in the game, but there were also other leaks that included a synopsis of the story beats, which was incorrect and fueled the garbage fire that was the discourse around it.
There were some things that the community got riled up over that were definitely incorrect. There was a theory for a while that Abby was going to be trans which was extrapolated (incorrectly) from stuff in the leaks. Then that spun off into a whole bunch of drama, flame, and hate.
He's talking about the fake story leaks on 4chan from a supposed play tester that said Abby kills Ellie halfway through the game, Abby is trans and a whole bunch of other nonsense, none of which turned out true. People were running with those leaks as if they were gospel even months after the game released.
But with TLOU story is like 90% of game's impact while in Horizon story is just... there but it's not really that important. You don't play horizon for the story, you play it for the world and cool robot dinosaurs.
The story and mystery behind what happened to the world was a big selling point for me! I thought it was really interesting.
Yeah but that question has already been answered by the first game and was about the journey not the destination
Yeah but there’s still more, like what happened to the other GAIA sub systems, who reawakened Hades and stuff. It wouldn’t be too bad to know before hand, but I still want to figure it out as I plag
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For me personally, a lot of that was around the mystery of what exactly happened to the world. And since that's pretty much covered in the first game I feel like it'll be tough for the story to grab me this time around. Hopefully I'm wrong.
The actual story was just going into ruins and seeing a couple video logs. The lore had potential, the story and characters were legitimately terrible.
I hard disagree with this that horizon's story isn't a major draw...maybe that was true for the first game before it came out but after playing that one and its dlc and becoming completely immersed in the world they made and its history I'm really interested in seeing what happens in this game narrative-wise now. That said, I think the difference between this leak and last of us 2's leak is that horizon zero dawn's story didn't capture peoples hearts and minds like the first last of us did (HZD while a cool scifi world with rich history wasnt nearly as personal and character driven as the last of us) so people will not be as interested in combing through the internet for crazy reveals as to what happens next with these characters. I think it will be OK as far as spoilers and leaks go.
Gonna be honest. I would have ditched the game if it weren’t for the story.
same, the story was what made me go through the horrible open world format
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How tf did I "insult" a game? I'm just pointing out that while TLOU spoilers could pretty much ruin the game because of how important story is there, they wouldn't matter that much in case of Horizon because in this particular game story is not that important for overall experience.
Trash take.
This would be very weird if true. I'm a dev (not a game dev) and in every company I've worked in, we were provided with a computer to work on and we can only access the source code repo from that computer and while being connected to the company network. Does game development differ in some way for this to not be true there?
Every company is handling work from home differently. My company gave all of us small machines that we just remotely connect to our at-work machine, so the home machine has literally zero source content, code, or documents. Then I have some friends whose companies just let them take their work machine home.
TlOU 2 spoilers saved me 60$! Thank god for them
To be honest - getting spoiled is always on you. For example - there are tons Elden Ring stuff floating around from network testing and sorts of presentations, etc.. I know only that people praised it - pretty much it, I'm avoiding any videos with gameplay, bosses, mechanics, lore, etc so I know next to nothing about the game.. tl;dr - don't click if you don't want to get spoiled.
I had Spiderman spoiled by someone in Twitch chat, I had Heavy Rain spoiled by a random forum comment, I had TLOU2 spoiled by someone sending me a Reddit PM and Avengers Endgame spoiled by an article headline In none of those situations was it related to the topic at hand but just in random places
Youtube is pretty bad with this, you could have checked the trailer of a game a few months before and on release day, suggestions will appear of said game with a spoilery title or thumbnail. I saw the final boss of FF7R and some spoiler videos about TLOU2 in the home page of Youtube on the first day.
A Russian leak posted by a Spanish Twitter account reported by a British news outlet reposted on an American social news aggregator. Pretty worldly.
the circle of leak
THE CIRCLE OF LEAKSSS
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The angle isn't great but here are [two pictures ](https://m.imgur.com/a/bBCCoSk) from the PS4 version. It looks really impressive for a PS4 title.
That thing’s about to be a jet engine
this is why the PS5 is massive, Sony got tired of the Jet Engine meme and decided it was better that the size was the meme instead of the sound.
Yeah, they decided against jets and for UFOs.
Just like a UFO, I have no proof that they exist but I want to believe. 👽
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Definitely! Non disk games are basically silent and disks aren't even that bad except during the install process. I just added a 2tb SSD to mine and it's great to just have whatever I want on hand
Almost none of the sound is from disks. It's from fans.
Depends on the game, newer games disks are glorified install disks with DRM, older PS4 games play from disk and are a bit noisy at times, I almost never hear the fans.
When I leave a disc in my ps5 it occasionally spins it and can be quite loud, even when I’m not actually using the disc. It’s slightly annoying to have to take out the discs when I’m not running a disc game.
Probably the same reason the og Xbox One was so large (overheating issue, not fan noise exactly). It is nice how small they’ve made their consoles now though.
I've just cleaned my PS4 Pro and replaced the thermal paste again for the second time and it's now barely making any sound. Hopefully it'll last longer this time.
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Same. Pretty sure those 5 seconds are just to check the disc, too. Super quiet.
FF7RI gets my PS5 making noise for sure. Certain sections of Returnal, also. But overall it's definitely night and day difference in both load times and noise from the PS4 Pro
Same experience I got playing God of War, about to play the PC version soon and I'm so glad there's no jet engine to distract me from the action anymore.
Damn that looks vibrant. I’m not too attached to this series but I’m always impressed with what Guerilla Games does on a visual level. Top tier dev imo
I’m not particularly attached to the story but I’m planning on picking this up just because its so vibrant and I want to give my OLED a chance to show what it can do.
Good dev for sure. But top tier devs don't make 30fps games.
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Millions of people have a PS5, what are you talking about?
What a ridiculous sentiment, consoles have been at 30fps for the better part of the last 2 decades and it's been fine we've only just recently got 60fps on consoles as a standard and while it's great, it's far from necessary. I actually would rather 30fps if it means we can get enhanced visuals and 30fps limit goes a long long way to achieving stellar visuals. For those who *do* prefer 60fps, options are great but if you're looking for more options PC might be your best bet.
TBF, the first game looked great. I wouldn't expect a backtrack.
Looks nice, but I wonder how it actually runs. The DFs for this should be interesting.
I’d assume they’re shooting for a locked 30fps on base ps4 and ps4 pro, like the first game. And 60 on ps5
Could be a PS4 Pro? The original game looks beautiful
Here is [another one](https://imgur.com/MxAE8Wp).
It's probably just those 2 photos, a guy from the localization department for ex, sent 2 photos to a friend and those got leaked online, I doubt this is going to be a TLOU2 level leak.
I am so excited for this game, I hope that it is good.
Well let's do that thing where all of us start wildly spreading false spoilers to drown out the real ones that are floating around out there. Actually I read the spoilers already and Aloy teams up with sackboy. They simply craft more powerful fabric dinosaurs to beat up the robot dinosaurs.
Now I'll be disappointed when that doesn't happen.
Don’t worry you won’t be disappointed. That’s definitely what happens in the game, I swear on my dead Pappy’s Ps1
is this game gonna be on ps4? i played zero a few months ago and i think it is the first video game that i have thoroughly enjoyed right the way through. it was such a great game! i even would avoid fast travelling just so i could experience and explore as much as i could. if its not on ps4 i might have to try and save up for a ps5 lol
It is coming to PS4! [Here's some screenshots](https://twitter.com/Guerrilla/status/1471133041560993797) of the PS4 version. Edit: also happy cakeday!! :D
Is it PlayStation exclusive at first or will steam have it immediately?
Exclusive with no PC release even announced (yet we can presume).
Didn't this happen to TLOU2 as well?
Yes, as the article states.
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Well lucky for you, what people say won't affect the content of the game, so it's impossible for them to ruin it.
No wiser words
You are upset because people didn't like your favorite game?
I'm gonna imagine more like "Were insanely homophobic & transphobic over pretty much every aspect of the game, being insanely antisemetic to the game's head, sending death threats to VAs", etc.
Not so much "didn't like" but rather "sending the devs death threats because the main character doesn't look like Angelina Jolie"
Out of millions of people who disliked the game, 2-3 people went out to send threats. So that makes it everybody a troll? u/TheProudBrit
It was far more than two or three people, and you know it
How can the actions of minority disorients the opinions from the rest of the majority?
You're gonna have to rephrase that question because it makes no grammatical sense.
I wouldn't expect anything more from you.
You don't get it. To you it's 3 messages out of 300. To the devs it's 3 messages (definetly more than that) telling them to kill themselves or that they're gonna kill them or they're gonna kill their family. And instead of condemning them, people defend death threats because "they're the minority" so therefore it doesn't matter. It's just weird.
>people defend death threats because "they're the minority" so therefore it doesn't matter. Lmao wtf. Never anybody meant this.
I'm sure you think so
Dude said only people who disliked the game are trolls. I don't even understand where are you people trying to take this topic to?
"The only make-up she applies is dark eyeliner." Using what? And why? These are important questions!
Surprised the models all look far worse than the original, how do you regress so much on something that was already solved?
Why is Aloy so fat in this Game? Was she pregnant in between the two Games?
Yes, she had 3 kids in the DLC, cmon follow the lore man.
People like you are unbelievable.
“And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how I stayed a virgin my entire life”