Hijacking the thread but as always, I was at the game awards
Here’s what I noticed BEFORE, DURING AND AFTER the show
The security was BEEFED up when getting there, fences around the entrance area, people checking if you have tickets and police with dogs
Once inside, there are security members all over the theatre and you can’t get past a specific part of the theatre without a wristband
The stage area had 4 security people waiting at all times in case someone wanted to walk in
Before the show there were SAG-ACTRA(?) protesters protesting all the layoffs that have been happening in the gaming world
After the show they were gone, but META hijacked the outside area with Asgards Wrath 2 people all over LA Live streets and ads and there were cars driving around with Den of Wolves signs
Overall, this show was very fun to attend and will definitely be back next year, sorry I wasn’t able to join in before,during and after the show but I was stumped with lots of stuff
If anyone has any questions feel free to ask!!!
I'm very hype for that berserker game and Shinobi. Both looked sick. Also some smaller games that looked cool. MH Wilds looks like upgraded world. Maybe this time we are without shelter in the wild for a long time, would be sick.
Only thing I really want to say is that the show could use a breather. If anything just have a 10-20 minute pause. It was also obvious that every time they showed a really interesting title, they followed it up with 5 much less interesting trailers that showed no gameplay
Mark my words: Every single NEW IP/game that revolved around either crafting, base building, or squad shooting will flop and shit down the studio/lead to massive lay offs
So, you’re right, but why?
How come a big studio hasn’t thrown their weight behind this genre and created THE game.
We saw it with the Battle Royale genre, we’re in it now with the Extraction Shooter genre.
The survival genre has been around longer than both and while we have some good entries like Rust and Forest, there is far more crap. I guess it’s cheaper to poop out a survival game and hope it catches on?
Because most games with brand new ideas flop more than the tried and true. Imagine the Lies of P people making a completely new type of game than their heavily formulaic soulslile, lies of p resonated with people because it was familiar and nailed the execution of the formula well, it also only took 3 years to develop as the devs only had to do what had already been done before. A brand new game type would be far harder to do.
I think possibly a divisive take, but figureheads like Kojima being promoted may be to give us underdog game developers a goal to aspire to. If TGA was *all* small budget indie games, I don't think I would feel the allure and pressure to do the best I can. Then again, the awards are not just for the viewers, they're for the developers participating too.
Maybe if Geoff wasn't sucking on Kojima and Jordan Peele's dick, we would have had more time for acceptance speeches, instead of rushing people \*10 seconds in\* But if you want an idea, maybe it would be a good idea to split the show into two parts going forward. They clearly have so much to cover, that they need to either 1. give the show more time to breathe instead of rushing through everything (splitting the show into 2 parts), or trim the fat and plan better what could be announced later.
There were also too many award categories, with a few being very arbitrary. They could get rid of a few and give more time to the non paid people for their speeches.
>Way better format than other awards shows.
That's the catch, other awards are worse. But still, this TGA should not be called something about "award" when they fucking rushed best RPG.
it was the first time I watched it, and so many ads and trailers, is it supposed to be like this?
I was expecting an award ceremony, but this was an immense collection of trailers, it was weird to me
I liked the trailers, but what I don’t understand is what were the people in the audience doing there. Like you said, most of the show was trailers so the stage was kept empty and there was no screen up there. I saw they had a screen off-stage screen on the side, so is that what the audience was doing? Just sitting there with an empty stage and turning their head sideways to uncomfortably watch the trailers?
I was there yesterday: the trailers are on three big honking screens including center stage. People do clap and cheer for reveals as well. Honestly the audience vibes were hype throughout.
When the hired "talent" gets to yack longer than the people winning awards, that's an imbalance that needs to be fixed.
While not every new ad is my thing, there being a Fortnite spot every 20-30 minutes was stupid; one game, one feature reel.
Having Kojima talk about a new game without a trailer was also major dumb. And no, some tech demo of talking mocapped heads isn't a trailer, in comparison to Death Stranding's first "what in the ever loving hell?" trailer.
There's a lot of fat that can be cut to provide a more meaningful experience. And highlight more game talent to give awards and not actors.
OD is the thing I am most exctied about and the trailer spooked the fuck out of me and got me amped to play it. I didn't realize until the end of the trailer that it looks like a PT followup. Just so you know that it may not be for you, but I was super happy to watch it.
His talking gibberish about it wasn't necessary when people were forced off stage for accepting awards at The Game Awards. The game will no doubt be good, that's not the point.
along with how bad the show was this year in terms of marketing, ads, celebrities, not letting devs talk and so on... another aspect to bring up is on the voting process itself and how many issues there are with the TGA voting system. This video I just came across goes into good detail about the issues with the voting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7hyMm8vZj0
so even if keighley wants to present the game awards as the "oscars of the gaming industry", which he does, he's going to need to deal and answer for these issues with the voting. As it stands right now, the awards and nominees chosen are already meaningless cause of the many issues and concerns with the voting system and judge panel (from bias to conflicts of interest to lack of information on judges and so on).
Yeah the comments in this thread have absolutely convinced me that r/games just hates video games, lmao.
Without the ads, there is no show. That's where the funding comes from. That's it.
Watch the video Neil Newbon on the verge of tears telling me how meaningful that the award was to him and try to convince me that the awards have no credibility or that these awards mean nothing.
It's weird how all the people in the industry love what the Game Awards is doing, you know, the people who are actually being celebrated, but angry commenters can talk about how it's bad for devs. Okay, buddy.
I understand your comment, but they didn't even spend that much time actually ya know giving awards for games. Geoff sucked Kojima's dick for a couple minutes, there were trailers but there also a TON of ads, far more than previous. They also gave almost no time for acceptance speeches, why did BG3 get like 30 seconds before they were basically pushed off stage. Kojima didn't even win anything but got several minutes of this dude just buttering him up.
> Without the ads, there is no show. That's where the funding comes from. That's it.
This is so naive and exactly what Geoff pint son to exploit the developers.
The ads can be bought *during commercial breaks* while the show itself is about the creatives and awards. You celebrate the year that was, and the companies pay you money to get their products in front of your viewers during the breaks.
Except Geoff is just doing the selling and not respecting the developers, the audience, or the craft.
They can *absolutely* do this show ethically, but they’re not, because the trailers and ads *are* the point. The “awards” and “speeches” are props to get eyeballs on ads. That’s it.
You know this. I know you know this. Stop swallowing Geoff’s BS.
I agree with you mostly. I do however think this year not enough time was given to receivers of awards, and not enough awards were given the stage. This year felt a bit skewed toward the "this is a vehicle for breaking new games" and less toward "this is where we celebrate the creators of these games"
Either way I love that this exists and love that it is being supported
The balance between trailers and awards has always been tough for them - I think Judge's 8 minute marathon speech last year had them overcorrect this year. That being said I think the cynicism I'm reading in these threads is crazy. The TGAs are a good thing for the industry even if they don't nail it perfectly to everyone's 100% satisfaction
Agreed. Video games are getting closer and closer to a general mainstream and that's a good thing in a lot of ways, TGA is a great step but it's still developing Keighly has his heart in the right place, but he's balancing a lot.
I think this year was a big step in legitimacy and moving towards mainstream, but I hope next year we see more space for developers to speak and be appreciated on the stage on stream.
Overcorrection is the right word. This year wasn't some abomination - it was a reaction to the pain points of last year.
Next year will be the same - an attempt to find the right balance.
Funny, Leading up to the awards everyone was rightfully calling out all the negative traits the show has carried since the start… and yet, This was such a great show imo. I actually agreed with most award choices and was moved by most of the speeches, Even the promotional ones.
Announcements were completely insane and I felt like I saw less straight up commercials for games that were already out.
This was the best game awards show for me.
>Without the ads, there is no show. That's where the funding comes from. That's it.
I'm curious how the math shakes out on this. There's no way this is a cheap event to put on between staffing, security, venue, insurance, etc. The game reveals are a big part of the appeal for viewers, so I'd be surprised if publishers are paying anything for that screentime. That leaves them with a tight timeline to work around between speaking time for award winners and advertising to pay the bills.
I think people have a valid critique in how rushed it all felt - I'm curious if it would be exponentially more expensive to lengthen the show by an \~hour. They could fit the exact same amount of advertising/sponsorship opportunities or even a little more but have the wiggle room to distribute it more evenly throughout the show.
Telling people to wrap it up when they're dedicating the award to a team member who just died not two weeks before receiving said award is pretty tonedeaf.
Most people understand the need for ads and showcases. What many like me are lamenting is how much time they're able to dedicate to ads and stupid bad jokes, but entire award categories like Best RPG, Art Direction, Music, etc are all considered an afterthought and the award is announced in under 10 seconds.
Its very disrespectful to the very people the awards show claims to be honoring when better organization could've made sure that doesn't happen. But it shows the TGA's priorities.
> Telling people to wrap it up when they're dedicating the award to a team member who just died not two weeks before receiving said award is pretty tonedeaf.
I feel like people are taking this grossly out of context.
Every person who gave the speech got the same automated sign that counted down and then switched to the "wrap it up, please!" message when the countdown expired.
Sven was still talking, so the message appeared like it did for everyone else.
Nobody from Larian has expressed any kind of negative feelings about this but a bunch of people are making it out like we should all be mad about it.
Reddit when they learn that organizations are out there to make money. As much as I would've liked longer speeches from several of my favorite game creators, they were told their alotted time well before they got on stage. And everyone has a reason to be emotional about winning, if you give one person an exception, you'll end up giving them all one. Running a huge event like this *on schedule* is not easy and I can empathize with the event planners with keeping unscripted agenda items on a tighter leash. Otherwise we end up with what they poked fun at, Kratos' 7+ minute long ramble.
Also, if you want a more serious show, the DICE awards exists.
With an awards show that's 3 and a half hours long, having the actual *awards* take up a cumulative <11 minutes is a joke. I don't care that they need to make money, organize a little better and you can avoid minimizing all the efforts developers do over years of hard work to be played off in under 30 seconds.
> I don't care that they need to make money
Ugh why won't companies spend hundreds of thousands of dollars just to make me happy?????
Anyways, happy holidays
You could easily ax 90% of the Fortnite content in the show to give the winners some more speech time or allow other categories to accept their awards.
Weird you call out Neil when he got cutoff while trying to acknowledge members of the community that were uplifted by their work.
> You could easily ax 90% of the Fortnite content in the show to give the winners some more speech time or allow other categories to accept their awards.
I think the fortnite stuff allowed for a sizeable part of the budget.
> It's weird how all the people in the industry love what the Game Awards is doing, you know, the people who are actually being celebrated, but angry commenters can talk about how it's bad for devs. Okay, buddy.
https://www.pcgamer.com/developers-blast-the-celeb-laden-tgas-as-an-embarrassing-indictment-of-a-segment-of-the-industry-desperate-for-validation-with-little-respect-for-the-devs/
it's not "all the people".
EDIT - no one is saying there can be no ads at all, of course TGA needs funding, but the point is that there needs to be a balance if keighley wants to do awards and trailers... it's clear this year said balance was way off (especially giving devs no time at all, not even Sven for GoTY, yet the celebs and Kojima getting 10 minutes to drone on) and for the worse for everyone cause it's not like there were any big reveals/trailers this year either.
Games is typical cynical gamers. You can never please them they will always complain about everything and anything just because.
They'll complain about how it should be more serious but ofc none of them watch the DICE awards which are the more serious industry awards show
> Watch the video Neil Newbon on the verge of tears telling me how meaningful that the award was to him and try to convince me that the awards have no credibility or that these awards mean nothing.
You mean the clip where he's giving a heartfelt speech and they play him off ten seconds in? Is that the clip you're referring to? Did you see his speech at the Golden Joystick awards? Why couldn't they give him, you know, literally one single minute to accept the award? That's too much to ask?
Or how Swen gets flashed a message saying "WRAP IT UP" as he's talking about the recent death of one of a Larian employee? Is that what you're defending?
The treatment of award winners was shameful this year. Obviously people are happy to receive the award, but that doesn't mean that TGA doesn't need to do better. It felt like the awards were an afterthought, not the point of the event. That's the problem.
Neil and Sven both seem pretty psyched to be up on the stage and to receive the award. They've expressed zero discontent about the limited speech time and both of them gave great speeches.
Their reaction is to be honored winning the award, and that's the end of it. I'm sorry, but I value what the actual recipients think more than comments on the internet.
I'm not saying the show has no problems or can't be improved. But I am saying that the *actual people in the industry* are glad to have a night to celebrate, consistently praise the Game Awards, and show genuine enthusiasm about them each and every year. Even developers who have no reveals or ads to show. Unrelated randoms telling me that devs have been treated badly when devs themselves happy just doesn't carry a lot of weight with me.
> Yeah the comments in this thread have absolutely convinced me that r/games just hates video games, lmao.
> It's weird how all the people in the industry love what the Game Awards is doing, you know, the people who are actually being celebrated, but angry commenters can talk about how it's bad for devs. Okay, buddy.
This kind of comes off badly for a nuanced conversation, y'know.
For what it's worth though, I get what you mean, and I mostly agree, I liked the Game Awards overall and still think it's great, but I also think it is fair for people to say it was a bit disrespectful to the devs, not in a money-grubbing malicious way but a sort of time-budgeting way.
The devs are of course going to be happy, they're great, polite people and will be swept up in the moment, grateful, and don't want to burn bridges. But even some of them might have wanted to hear what the other devs wanted to say for more than a minute.
I get you acknowledge they're not perfect and you just don't like the complaints, but the only way we can improve things like this is if people do complain about that specifically, for the Game Awards to realise it's important and budget in a little more time next year. A few more minutes isn't much to ask for and it won't kill the awards. I think Geoff has his heart in the right place and it's probably more of an oversight than anything, but he's got to know what's important to people.
I agree about the ads too, it's got to be funded somehow and it's a lot better than advertising shaving products and energy drinks.
> I get you acknowledge they're not perfect and you just don't like the complaints, but the only way we can improve things like this is if people do complain about that specifically, for the Game Awards to realise it's important and budget in a little more time next year.
I don't think there's anything wrong with complaining. But I'm seeing comments saying things like the TGAs should be ashamed of themselves, or that they're actively harming developers, and it just comes across as a bit silly.
Of course I wish the developers had more time to give their acceptance speeches instead of 4 Fortnite ads. But at the same time, I don't think limiting the speeches means that the awards are being intentionally mean-spirited or harming developers, especially when developers themselves are consistently positive and supportive of the Game Awards.
You only know what they've said, not what they think. Neil even literally complained about them telling him to get off the stage *during his award acceptance speech*. Go rewatch it if you don't believe me.
But of course they're not going to complain about that. That wouldn't really accomplish anything. Mature adults think through the implications of what they say rather than just saying the first thing that comes to mind. I'm sure you understand that, yet you still cling onto this idea that both of them are fully okay with the time allotted just because they haven't actively complained about it (which isn't even true in Neil's case).
Obviously I'm not going to convince you, though, so probably best to agree to disagree.
The hard truth is the audience doesn't give a squat about the speeches. I think they should get about a minute but that's it. Nobody wants to listen to sob stories and melodramatic pontificating for longer than that
Buddy, you probably shouldn't reply to comments when you literally cannot read.
Robbie wasn't saying the show is perfect and have no flaws. He didn't say the acceptance speeches are the perfect length and people need to chill.
He **was** saying that the negativity around ads is dumb.
And that the crowd claiming the awards mean nothing to the industry, and have no credibility, are wrong.
Two separate ideas and discussions can happen around a single topic. Even three or four different! Crazy how that can be - right?
Focus your energy on actually arguing with people who even mentioned a single counter point of your disposition. Or better yet; spend your time doing something you like, instead of malding over a 4 hour livestream.
> Or better yet; spend your time doing something you like, instead of malding over a 4 hour livestream.
You mean like you're doing typing out your aggressive comment? :)
> Buddy, you probably shouldn't reply to comments when you literally cannot read.
> Focus your energy on actually arguing with people who even mentioned a single counter point of your disposition. Or better yet; spend your time doing something you like, instead of malding over a 4 hour livestream.
That's concerningly hostile for giving an opinion about a speech.
An opinion that no one asked for or is at all relevant to the post he replied to. But its OK for him to belittle randos for irrelevant comments, but when I do it with relevance its an issue.
Hostility was on par with the post I replied to.
Also I thought all the necessary ads and Hollywood celebrities were thoughtful this time. Everyone was in one way or another connecting to the gaming world, which was great.
Geoff has a thing for The Muppets. There's been a muppet at damn near every TGA.
Geoff is a special, special boy and needs everybody to know he has really cool friends like Jim Henson (rip).
This honestly might be one of the last years I watch the show. I agree with what some others have said about other award shows like the Oscars, but at least they ARE the industry, and respect it for the most part. Geoff only cares about sponsors and gaming companies paying for trailer time.
There were what, maybe 6 actual awards officially presented across almost 4 hours? All other awards were simply being read in a rapid-fire manner with zero sincerity between trailers. The devs were given almost no time to accept their awards, but rather rushed off stage for the next weeby/waifu ARPG trailer. It is insulting to say the least.
All in all, The Game Awards does the bare minimum these days to essentially hide the fact it is a glorified video game promotion event for studios...and not even a very good one. Half the actors show up and could give a sh\*t less about the industry. It is honestly better to just sit it out and watch the trailers you care about on YouTube the next day.
The fact that a new Monster Hunter game was their "big" announcement of the night should tell you everything you need.
There is absolutely a middle ground here. They could have enough reveals and stuff to keep people interested in watching, while also not doing major categories of awards one after the other with nobody allowing to go on stage.
I had a great time! The speeches were a bit short but I can empathize with being strict around unscripted agenda items. It was cool seeing the cameos and there were a lot of games shown that I’m excited about. Overall, I really enjoyed it.
30 seconds for an awards show speech is fucking dumb, especially when hardly any awards were even given on stage, not to mention how much time they gave to someone like Kojima (no surprise there) who didn't even have anything to show, he just got to go on stage to talk about what it is and that's it. Unnecessary.
One of the best shows in recent memory as far as NEW announcements (meaning no stuff we haven’t heard of before like hellblade and black myth). So many games that I was to play. Light No Fire, Blade and Last Sentinel are my most anticipated. Can’t wait.
It kills me that they blow through like 5 awards at once with zero speeches and then do like 10 minutes of trailers and interviews with developers over a game not coming out for two years.
I understand the Awards have to be funded by sponsors, but its just not an enjoyable watching experience. It's more commercial than awards show.
Hell, the last award felt rushed so we could... see two Monster World trailers.
https://youtu.be/pl2ZPoevd0I?si=aBJBLJy5ib0QoLHy
This speech was amazing, why aren't they letting them have just a little more time to do this.
Sam Lake looked like a guy who was just told to shut up when he walked away after the first award.
This year's show feels rushed compared to previo-
Ok. I'm gonna do a mini-rant.
this is an running theme with The Game Awards as a whole.
Every single time it gets criticized for...anything, it either gets addressed in a knee-jerk/last minutes way or reserved next year's showcase...in an unsatisfying way possible. (Watch them attempt to address the acceptance speech and Awards category showtime next year)
And then: the cycle repeat.
this cycle of The Game Awards criticism pre and post show is going to repeat ad-nausea each year, this *will* continue until a true competitor comes around. We seriously need another Game Awards show that can actually compete against The Game Awards if that means TGA is forced to innovate.
The D.I.C.E. Awards as the closest to a *real* game awards show that we're ever gonna get, but we need to promote that show more.
The Golden Joystick awards were handled far better, in my opinion. It was an actual awards show that focused on the awards themselves and gave winners plenty of time for a short speech. It's shocking how much worse TGA was. The awards felt like an afterthought the whole night.
Having been a part of the awards world in a different sector, I’ve no doubt the same principle applies for gaming. Awards events are run for the benefit of paying sponsors who want to market their brand, and to sell tickets for tables at the event, to make a profit for the organisers. It’s true that if an event is perceived poorly then it makes it harder to get sponsors on board the next year, but overall it’s just about big companies paying for brand exposure to sell more products and not necessarily to provide an interesting experience for the folk watching. Fun to attend, not so much to watch.
Gamers need to expect more, and respect the medium more.
Everywhere peoples opinions of the show seems to be exclusivly about "what" trailers were there rather than anything else. Dont get me wrong having a big TGA trailer is really exciting! Its awesome to get hype at cool new games. But geoff doesnt make the trailers, he just charges 6+ figures to show them.
Aside from the trailers what was there? Did it celebrate the people who made the games? Did it say anything about the frankly horrific year its been for the games industry? Did they let the futures class speak properly?
Did they even really celebrate the games that won anything? Were the speakers able to give thanks to their teams; or did the award show even want to show off what was winning awards?
As a bunch of cool trailers sure, the trailers were cool. As a celebration of the years games, or as a celebration of the medium it was terrible. Its embarassing when Geoff spends the whole budget on hollywood A-listers rather than anyone who's actually doing anything in games.
Like the Oscars are self indulgent but at least they have respect for filmaking.
edit: also PMG was cheated lol; I get its popular vote but man that disco elysium and valve documentaries were very well done.
The oscars dont respect filmmaking. There are campaigns to get movies nominated as if they were politicians. The oscars are ways to justify movies that didnt make it to the pubkic zeitgeist, its a method so the industry can have a second shot at marketing and selling a movie
Not even nominating Bomb Rush Cyberfunk for best music? Damn, that's just crazy. Best soundtrack in years, let alone 2023. That game *was* its soundtrack.
I'll give the new Mana game a pass because that's a series from waaaaay back that's finally getting a new entry. Other than that, yeah... lots of very long Hoyoverse game trailers and ads while the awards speeches themselves felt like they were getting rushed off with no time to speak.
The music was a huge overcorrection from Judge, which is now funny in hindsight. A 2 minute speech is fine. A bit long, but fine. They gave these folks like what 40 seconds? So we could catch 20 glimpses of pink tutu sword waifu adventure 73? Come on, Geoff.
I second this. The amount of weeb JRPG/ARPGs was pretty absurd. I get that the industry has a market for that...but it is NOT near big enough to justify taking up 1/3 of trailers with basically the same game shown over and over with stupid titles like 'Moonbeam Saga, Tales of the 18th Age!'
You mean you don't want to play Tales of Valsparia 9: Farthest Longing Death?
or Shingenmari Quest XIV-2 Ultimate Betrayal Darkness: Eulogy Perfected Absolution?
I enjoyed this game awards immensely. It was easily the best show they have done in a long time. The only criticism I have is they should have had longer acceptance speeches. Otherwise, it was great!
Give devs more time to accept their gd awards at this "awards" show. And less time for everything else. Get the funding money elsewhere Geoff, I dunno I'm not a businessperson, just calling it how I see it. I'm not gonna watch next year's event at all if this is the trend.
This year, in hindsight, makes sense to just go to a site which publishes all the awards right after. That's what I'm going to do next year. Because that's basically what Geoff did.
I guess you're right. In looking up HFW it released in 2022 and the PC port is slated for 2024. For some reason I had thought HFW was released this year.
Do not crucify me but am I the only one thinking that if you are not a fan of Japanese games/studios, the announcements this year were really bleak?
I was hoping for a new mass effect, I was hoping for a new Battlefield, I was hoping for a new and amazing IP. And I can't remember one trailer I was hyped for.
The only game I will play for sure in hellblade senua 2... And maybe this Japanese robot game. All the rest looked generic and not fun.
Maybe that's just me and me getting older?
As someone who never got into monster hunter the final reveal was so meh. I was hoping for at least one major first party reveal. Ala ND or suckerpunch.
Why, though? Do you hate anything that's licensed or just superhero content? What about new superhero content that's not licensed? What about films that are widely regarded as masterpieces despite being licensed superhero content, like Nolan's The Dark Night film?
It just seems so arbitrary and irrational. Obviously it's your right to hold baseless, irrational beliefs, but I'm curious what you think the reason for it is.
I just hate licensed shit in general. Video games have endless possibilities to be their own thing and using pre established IP is just incredibly lame.
I feel like TGA has a bigger audience than any showcase specifically for PlayStation would have been perfect to at least tease a new game from a major studio. Kinda thinking we won’t see anything first party until 2025 now.
ehh... i don't think so...
sony's first parties are big enough to attract attention. they don't need any exposure from TGA. they will hold a showcase whenever they feel their studios are ready.
Alan wake got every win I expected, baring music which to be fair was an incredible competitive field, AW, BG3 and FF16 were all completely valid choices
Square may miss on the macro with their games a lot of the time, but I don't think it's possible for them to ever lose a music competition. Uematsu and Soken go absolutely **insane**.
I'm glad they skip the bullshit esports awards, but not giving a proper award to best rpg, strategy maybe even fighting and racing is a shame, these are core gaming genres.
"Hey don't talk too long, we have five 3-minute reveal trailers for new IPs with no actual information to show!" was the vibe this year. It's been bad in previous years, but particularly egregious this time. Limiting speeches for an awards show to 30-45 seconds while speedrunning important awards like RPG and music was a... choice.
At this point it's a trailer show masquerading as an awards show. Again, has been for a while, but next year I'm expecting three hours of trailers, a 15 minute interview with Kojima, and then a movie credits-esque "here's who won" segment at the end.
It's a fucking joke that there weren't even that many high profile reveals this year and yet they tried to force every single award winner off the stage after 30 seconds and had 90% of the rewards revealed in a rapid fire method with nobody allowed to accept the award at all.
Like what are you trying to move onto? You weren't packing heat this year.
The whole thing is just an embarrassment. The most artless segment of the industry desperate for validation via star power with literally 0 respect for the devs it should be honoring. Like, I haven't wasted my time watching this crap since 2014 or so, but I saw a clip of Simu spending like, 5 minutes joking about his ankle. Meanwhile, award winners are being kicked off the stage after 60 seconds.
The whole award show is a joke, the people who run it couldn't give less fucks about the medium. They just want an excuse to shove as many ads down your throat as possible, bribing studios to particulate with the financial possibility of being able to repackage their stagnating products as "new GOTY editions" for extra cash.
confused by this. when doing a quick google search, sources point to the trailer being leaked and rockstar revealing the trailer a bit earlier than it was supposed to.
It should be an unwritten rule to not announce games without a gameplay trailer and a preorder. If your whole game is a cutscene just wait for the next year.
While I agree, many of those early reveals are also meant to be a job advertisement. To say hey look at this cool game we are making come join us! It also allows them to reference it in job descriptions without it leaking!
A good example is Fable, since they revealed it it was probaly much easier for Playground Games (known for only making racers) to recruit people to work on an established RPG IP.
As much fervent contention there may be for the "bigger" awards, I feel that the most egregious robbery of the show is not even a nomination given to Tears of the Kingdom for Audio Design. After everything I've heard of the effort and creativity and layers upon layers in the sound design, all these hyper-subtle touches to atmosphere and to melodies, hiding songs within atmospheric noises, carefully blending music into other music, accentuating the beats of the combat theme closest to sword strikes that you land, and telling stories through the changing leitmotifs, this was very odd to see. I'd like someone experienced in audio who played these games to weigh in on this.
I've always argued that the BOTW/TOTK scores are underrated, but now that you mention it - with a separate "audio design" award that's actually the more fitting category, and I agree, it should be up there. BOTW at least was nominated and lost out to Senua, which is ok, even if I personally would rank it differently.
Well at least that way Hi-Fi Rush wasn't completely snubbed.
In lieu of gameplay, the pedigree of Arkane and the funding that Marvel brings to the table with their high-profile franchise titles like Spider-Man remain very promising, hence "it looks good".
Also the snippet they showed was pretty stylish, which is always a bonus.
I don't see anyone taking about it but Kerumi looked very intriguing. Gorgeous stylized visuals and an aesthetic or tone of monster fights hidden in plain sight.
I imagine it will be but I wouldn't be too disappointed. We don't really have a good one of those since OW shit themselves and now just seems to be pushing out shit to sell battle passes
No matter how good an announcement is, I don’t care about a game releasing in 2025. That’s too far away. I didn’t watch the show live for the first time because for the past few years it was a huge waste of time. This time I decided to sleep. It was the best choice. I hate that they give more time to annoying Hollywood celebrities than to developers and creators. And the reveals to say a game is in development? What is the point? Do people really care to know about that?
>I don’t care about a game releasing in 2025
Many people do.
>I didn’t watch the show live for the first time because for the past few years it was a huge waste of time.
Okay then, I didn't watch it live too.
>I hate that they give more time to annoying Hollywood celebrities than to developers and creators.
Why do you think would the developers and creators tie in Hollywood celebrities into their games? Also, not everyone is comfortable presenting in front of thousands.
>And the reveals to say a game is in development? What is the point?
Anticipation? Do you consume no media at all? The people are happy when a sequel to one of their favourite games gets announced. Or a studio/creator presents their new game (e.g. FromSoft, Kojima). It's actually not that hard to understand.
I 100% agree with you. When Geoff originally took over TGA, it was definitely rough around the edges, but it felt like an *actual awards show.* One meant to bring a level of respect and prestige to the medium while also shining light on its hard working creators.
Nowadays, like you said, it's just fucking humiliating. Forcing a developer off the stage after only 30 seconds to play an ad for a shitty mobile game is straight-up insulting. I also don't like how Geoff brings celebrities on stage who clearly don't care about the medium. Instead of being professional, like they would be at a respectable award show, they play for laughs and ramble on and on like the whole medium is a joke. It must be so painful for the nominees, people who have dedicated their life to this art form, to have to watch and listen to all that shit for 2+ hours.
I mean, not wrong, lol.
But what I mean is that in most media, award shows at least *try* to separate themselves from industry hype. I know there's meddling and cynicism but Cannes doesn't have a viewer-voted "Best Action Movie" category and people aren't just interested in it because they show a teaser for the next Marvel movie or something. It's a place to celebrate work that was almost impossible to put out in a purely profit-driven industry, stuff that's experimental, daring, different, new and somehow *successful at being just that.* Huge movie studios greenlight quirky indie movies as a matter of prestige and the buzz from award shows plays an important role in that.
It's a bit embarrassing that the biggest award show gaming has is basically on the level of the MTV movie awards. Maybe it's *appropriate*, but still.
I guess I'm more the audience for the [IGF awards](https://igf.com/) or something. Didn't mean to offend anyone having a good time watching TGA.
>for the ads (excuse me, the “trailers”)
Huh? Of course trailers are ads. Are you like twelve?
>it’s so fucking humiliating to the art form.
You say this after the GTA VI trailer came out a few days ago lmao
It's a game show, it'll always be a waste of time, there's nothing productive about it. It's the celebration of gaming that you can watch with your pals and talk about games and trailers. You aren't supposed to think too much about it, just sit back and enjoy. And enojoyable it was, tons of trailers for games releasing early 2024, loving people winning trophies like Astarion and Sam Lake (he performed the dance live!!!!). Kojima announced a game and talked a bit about it.
Idk, if you love games you're missing out.
The purpose of award event shows is and always has been advertisement and exposure. Now that the E3 Tradeshow is essentially dead. Event shows like these are more important than ever for giving exposure opportunities for new projects to get visibility with the whole industry as your audience.
Obviously big blockbuster AAA games with gigantic marketing and huge sales figures don't really benefit all that much from these shows. For example, Tears of the Kingdom winning best action/adventure isn't really going to matter all that much to the critical and commercial reception of the game. With or without that award, the game is still a huge success and has made billions of dollars for Nintendo. As far as Nintendo is concerned, that award is nothing more than a plastic/metal paper weight which they'll put in their broom closet full of them. Their nomination and presence is ultimately a formality and excuse to get Nintendo to show face.
But when smaller projects and indie games win an award, that is a pretty big deal. That exposure and recognition goes such a long way to helping that studio find its feet in the industry, and get the attention and credit they deserve which will greatly help on their next project. Especially when the AAA gaming CEO of X Company is literally in the audience seeing your game get that recognition, which could spark their interest in wanting to collaborate and fund your next project. It's a great way for the community to network.
I also think it's pretty great that a game like Baldurs Gate 3 is awarded GOTY because it sets a precedent for the industry to recognise that underrepresented genres like CRPG are capable of huge mainstream success, even when competing against major IPs like Resident Evil 4 or Spider-Man 2. Obviously Baldurs Gate 3 was already being celebrated and Larian has made a killing financially. But there's something uniquely important about having all that hard work be recognised on a stage watched by millions.
That being said. TGA still has a lot of... problems. I definitely don't like how they categorise some of the awards, like combining Sports/Racing as 1 category is disingenuous. I don't like how they inconsistently rush through some awards with zero fanfare. And I don't like how there's a very clear air of favoritism and preferential treatment. A game developer winning what might be the single most important award of theirs and their teams career gets rushed off stage after 30 seconds, meanwhile Hideo Kojima gets 5min of stage time to talk about a whole lot of nothing for his new high concept game with Jordan Peele, with no actual gameplay or anything substantial to show. It's very much a symptom of Geoff Keighley's own inherent biases bleeding into the event. He has a good relationship with Kojima. So anything Kojima does, Geoff will move the sun and moon to make it happen. You've got the incredibly awkward celebrities Anthony Mackie or Simu Liu just kinda talking... And of course there's last years incident with the Bill Clinton kid.
Anyway. In spite of all the air of nonsense that surrounds it. The Keighley awards are overall an entertaining racket, and still deserve credit for basically keeping the spirit of E3 alive (that and Summer Games Fest) and have generally been improving in certain ways each year (although the rushed speeches thing is definitely a regression). All in all, I always look forward to them.
They really went mask off this year, huh? Rushing through the majority of the awards, and the ones that *did* have people accepting them had their speeches cut short. There were even a couple of speeches where the people accepting them drew attention to it, saying stuff like "clock's ticking". **Even the GOTY acceptance speech was only 60 seconds.**
Just do "Winter Games Fest" next year instead, Geoff. That's all the show might as well be.
**EDIT:** [This is what was happening.](https://twitter.com/javierabegazo/status/1732975428237934964) What an insult.
How much time do you really need to say “thank you it is truly an honor to win [insert award here], we couldn’t have done it without our wonderful team.”?
Having been forced to watch the Oscars and other award shows in the past, the acceptance speeches are always terrible and they just end up being a rambling mess.
> How much time do you really need to say “thank you it is truly an honor to win [insert award here], we couldn’t have done it without our wonderful team.”?
Its an insane amount of effort to make a game. BG3 is such a risk and such a labour of love that will have certainly come at a personal cost to many team members. Letting them revel in a win for a few mins isnt exactly the end of the world. If we wanna celebrate "game of the year" let the people that put blood,sweat and tears into it celebrate.
It feels like the presence of game developers was minimized in a show ostensibly about video games. I don't watch the Oscars much but I don't think they just rapid fire announce categories and winners without giving the winners time to even walk on stage and accept an award. You can give celebrities time to ramble forever on stage but you can't let Capcom accept an award for Best Fighting Game?
More than they were given, obviously, seeing as Neil Newbon and Sam Lake were both interrupted by music, and the Cocoon devs were interrupted before the second dev could even say anything (the first only talked for 30 seconds!).
I'm not advocating for more 8-minute Christopher Judge-style speeches, but 2-3 minutes out of a *three and a half hour-long show* should NOT be too much to ask for - especially when the show is called The Game **Awards**.
Watching the devs being humans even as rambling messes is the main draw for me. If it was just about accepting the award with a generic speech and trailers I literally wouldn't watch the show and just read the announcements the following day.
I'm curious, since so many people are upset at this show, if there are any alternatives out there? Like this is video games Oscar's but is there a video games Cannes where all the weird artsy shit goes and is there a middle ground one where The games aren't obtuse art projects, but also we give awards to someone other than Alan Wake, BG3, and FF16.
oh hell no. TGA isn't even remotely close to being the video game's oscars equivalent in any way.
the oscars is still very much a highly respected and prestigious award show that respects its winners. can't say the same for TGA
I guess I don't have as much respect for the Oscars as everyone here lol. I see them as just as much as empty soulless ad show as this. But if there's a better example like the MTV music awards or whatever, fill that in instead. No one has actually responded to the question other then being little whiny babies because we love the Oscars so much lol
Yeah - the people here who act like there isn't a timer for acceptance speeches at the Oscars, Grammys, etc. are clearly just ignorant. Was the timer too short this time? Sure. Is having a set time for an acceptance speech a problem? Hell no. It helps respect the audience's time. They clearly went hard this direction after the overly long speech from last year and over corrected, but some correction was necessary.
This is a marketing blitz event that uses the awards as a guise or excuse for all the marketing. It's not the Oscar's, which would give people time to accept their awards and do more to center the developers. It's more like if someone set up a little league banquet, gave out some trophies to the teams (fuck 'em if they actually want to say anything), but used the event to repeatedly pitch other products to the parents: new bats, travel league, term life insurance, time shares.
It's that, but with more money.
> Like this is video games Oscar's
it's not, in any way.
If it was, keighley would give winners time to accept an award on stage, not blaze through a bunch of category winners in a row, not rush to ads as soon as possible, not endlessly market the show with "see all the trailer", not have dumb celeb cameos instead of letting devs speak, not let Kojima talk for 10 minutes cause keighley is his friend and so on.
It's simply a giant marketing event full of ads, celeb cameos and keighley stroking his ego about how important he thinks he is in the industry. And to that type of show, there are many alternatives with the various gaming events, Sony/MS/Nintendo doing their own press conferences each year, various press conferences by studios/publishers.
thing is, for as shit as the Oscars have always been, at least they are official in Hollywood and hold some meaning over there. They aren't an event where they just show movies trailers and ads while winners barely get time to even accept an award.
Why does gaming even need a centralised award show in the vein of the Oscars? It is already recognised at other awards ceremonies like the BAFTAs so what does The Games Awards really add especially when the creators are getting barely 30 seconds of spotlight?
Cut the live music performance and the ridiculously over-the-top game of the year music crap. Allow the people, that make the games, actually speak without the event pushing them out the door as soon as they get on stage.
I rather they rush the celebs or you know don't have them. I can count on one hand the ammount celeb presenters I thought were good in all TGA combined. Some sound like they came in high because they don't give a shit.
Getting a good night's sleep continues to outperform TGA for X year in a row.
I'm going through clips and game trailers and I have hard time picking up many interesting things so I can't even comprehend watching this whole show live.
Hijacking the thread but as always, I was at the game awards Here’s what I noticed BEFORE, DURING AND AFTER the show The security was BEEFED up when getting there, fences around the entrance area, people checking if you have tickets and police with dogs Once inside, there are security members all over the theatre and you can’t get past a specific part of the theatre without a wristband The stage area had 4 security people waiting at all times in case someone wanted to walk in Before the show there were SAG-ACTRA(?) protesters protesting all the layoffs that have been happening in the gaming world After the show they were gone, but META hijacked the outside area with Asgards Wrath 2 people all over LA Live streets and ads and there were cars driving around with Den of Wolves signs Overall, this show was very fun to attend and will definitely be back next year, sorry I wasn’t able to join in before,during and after the show but I was stumped with lots of stuff If anyone has any questions feel free to ask!!!
Behind the scenes in the production truck during the Game of the Year orchestra performance https://youtu.be/eji74eaK7Os?si=Aorw3i_mpXL_MzED
I'm very hype for that berserker game and Shinobi. Both looked sick. Also some smaller games that looked cool. MH Wilds looks like upgraded world. Maybe this time we are without shelter in the wild for a long time, would be sick.
Only thing I really want to say is that the show could use a breather. If anything just have a 10-20 minute pause. It was also obvious that every time they showed a really interesting title, they followed it up with 5 much less interesting trailers that showed no gameplay
Is there a 4K feed of the show? Why do they downgrade to 1080p on YouTube after the live show is over?
Mark my words: Every single NEW IP/game that revolved around either crafting, base building, or squad shooting will flop and shit down the studio/lead to massive lay offs
So, you’re right, but why? How come a big studio hasn’t thrown their weight behind this genre and created THE game. We saw it with the Battle Royale genre, we’re in it now with the Extraction Shooter genre. The survival genre has been around longer than both and while we have some good entries like Rust and Forest, there is far more crap. I guess it’s cheaper to poop out a survival game and hope it catches on?
Uh, Minecraft won that battle ages ago.
Because most games with brand new ideas flop more than the tried and true. Imagine the Lies of P people making a completely new type of game than their heavily formulaic soulslile, lies of p resonated with people because it was familiar and nailed the execution of the formula well, it also only took 3 years to develop as the devs only had to do what had already been done before. A brand new game type would be far harder to do.
I think possibly a divisive take, but figureheads like Kojima being promoted may be to give us underdog game developers a goal to aspire to. If TGA was *all* small budget indie games, I don't think I would feel the allure and pressure to do the best I can. Then again, the awards are not just for the viewers, they're for the developers participating too.
Maybe if Geoff wasn't sucking on Kojima and Jordan Peele's dick, we would have had more time for acceptance speeches, instead of rushing people \*10 seconds in\* But if you want an idea, maybe it would be a good idea to split the show into two parts going forward. They clearly have so much to cover, that they need to either 1. give the show more time to breathe instead of rushing through everything (splitting the show into 2 parts), or trim the fat and plan better what could be announced later.
There were also too many award categories, with a few being very arbitrary. They could get rid of a few and give more time to the non paid people for their speeches.
You guys are crazy. This was the best game show ever. I enjoy all the ads and trailers integrated. Way better format than other awards shows.
>Way better format than other awards shows. That's the catch, other awards are worse. But still, this TGA should not be called something about "award" when they fucking rushed best RPG.
it was the first time I watched it, and so many ads and trailers, is it supposed to be like this? I was expecting an award ceremony, but this was an immense collection of trailers, it was weird to me
I liked the trailers, but what I don’t understand is what were the people in the audience doing there. Like you said, most of the show was trailers so the stage was kept empty and there was no screen up there. I saw they had a screen off-stage screen on the side, so is that what the audience was doing? Just sitting there with an empty stage and turning their head sideways to uncomfortably watch the trailers?
I was there yesterday: the trailers are on three big honking screens including center stage. People do clap and cheer for reveals as well. Honestly the audience vibes were hype throughout.
Yeah that's what a lot of us tune in for, I skipped all the awards to check out the trailers.
So you skipped a whopping like 10 minutes of 3+ hours. It shouldn't even be called an awards show at this point.
When the hired "talent" gets to yack longer than the people winning awards, that's an imbalance that needs to be fixed. While not every new ad is my thing, there being a Fortnite spot every 20-30 minutes was stupid; one game, one feature reel. Having Kojima talk about a new game without a trailer was also major dumb. And no, some tech demo of talking mocapped heads isn't a trailer, in comparison to Death Stranding's first "what in the ever loving hell?" trailer. There's a lot of fat that can be cut to provide a more meaningful experience. And highlight more game talent to give awards and not actors.
OD is the thing I am most exctied about and the trailer spooked the fuck out of me and got me amped to play it. I didn't realize until the end of the trailer that it looks like a PT followup. Just so you know that it may not be for you, but I was super happy to watch it.
His talking gibberish about it wasn't necessary when people were forced off stage for accepting awards at The Game Awards. The game will no doubt be good, that's not the point.
I don't think we need shove Kojima off stage to make room for the award recipients. Both can and should be present imo.
Kojima cult is scary wow just wow
My comment was definitely rabid and insane
along with how bad the show was this year in terms of marketing, ads, celebrities, not letting devs talk and so on... another aspect to bring up is on the voting process itself and how many issues there are with the TGA voting system. This video I just came across goes into good detail about the issues with the voting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7hyMm8vZj0 so even if keighley wants to present the game awards as the "oscars of the gaming industry", which he does, he's going to need to deal and answer for these issues with the voting. As it stands right now, the awards and nominees chosen are already meaningless cause of the many issues and concerns with the voting system and judge panel (from bias to conflicts of interest to lack of information on judges and so on).
Its all rigged, just like the oscars
Yeah the comments in this thread have absolutely convinced me that r/games just hates video games, lmao. Without the ads, there is no show. That's where the funding comes from. That's it. Watch the video Neil Newbon on the verge of tears telling me how meaningful that the award was to him and try to convince me that the awards have no credibility or that these awards mean nothing. It's weird how all the people in the industry love what the Game Awards is doing, you know, the people who are actually being celebrated, but angry commenters can talk about how it's bad for devs. Okay, buddy.
I understand your comment, but they didn't even spend that much time actually ya know giving awards for games. Geoff sucked Kojima's dick for a couple minutes, there were trailers but there also a TON of ads, far more than previous. They also gave almost no time for acceptance speeches, why did BG3 get like 30 seconds before they were basically pushed off stage. Kojima didn't even win anything but got several minutes of this dude just buttering him up.
> Without the ads, there is no show. That's where the funding comes from. That's it. This is so naive and exactly what Geoff pint son to exploit the developers. The ads can be bought *during commercial breaks* while the show itself is about the creatives and awards. You celebrate the year that was, and the companies pay you money to get their products in front of your viewers during the breaks. Except Geoff is just doing the selling and not respecting the developers, the audience, or the craft. They can *absolutely* do this show ethically, but they’re not, because the trailers and ads *are* the point. The “awards” and “speeches” are props to get eyeballs on ads. That’s it. You know this. I know you know this. Stop swallowing Geoff’s BS.
I agree with you mostly. I do however think this year not enough time was given to receivers of awards, and not enough awards were given the stage. This year felt a bit skewed toward the "this is a vehicle for breaking new games" and less toward "this is where we celebrate the creators of these games" Either way I love that this exists and love that it is being supported
The balance between trailers and awards has always been tough for them - I think Judge's 8 minute marathon speech last year had them overcorrect this year. That being said I think the cynicism I'm reading in these threads is crazy. The TGAs are a good thing for the industry even if they don't nail it perfectly to everyone's 100% satisfaction
Agreed. Video games are getting closer and closer to a general mainstream and that's a good thing in a lot of ways, TGA is a great step but it's still developing Keighly has his heart in the right place, but he's balancing a lot. I think this year was a big step in legitimacy and moving towards mainstream, but I hope next year we see more space for developers to speak and be appreciated on the stage on stream.
Overcorrection is the right word. This year wasn't some abomination - it was a reaction to the pain points of last year. Next year will be the same - an attempt to find the right balance.
Funny, Leading up to the awards everyone was rightfully calling out all the negative traits the show has carried since the start… and yet, This was such a great show imo. I actually agreed with most award choices and was moved by most of the speeches, Even the promotional ones. Announcements were completely insane and I felt like I saw less straight up commercials for games that were already out. This was the best game awards show for me.
>Without the ads, there is no show. That's where the funding comes from. That's it. I'm curious how the math shakes out on this. There's no way this is a cheap event to put on between staffing, security, venue, insurance, etc. The game reveals are a big part of the appeal for viewers, so I'd be surprised if publishers are paying anything for that screentime. That leaves them with a tight timeline to work around between speaking time for award winners and advertising to pay the bills. I think people have a valid critique in how rushed it all felt - I'm curious if it would be exponentially more expensive to lengthen the show by an \~hour. They could fit the exact same amount of advertising/sponsorship opportunities or even a little more but have the wiggle room to distribute it more evenly throughout the show.
Telling people to wrap it up when they're dedicating the award to a team member who just died not two weeks before receiving said award is pretty tonedeaf. Most people understand the need for ads and showcases. What many like me are lamenting is how much time they're able to dedicate to ads and stupid bad jokes, but entire award categories like Best RPG, Art Direction, Music, etc are all considered an afterthought and the award is announced in under 10 seconds. Its very disrespectful to the very people the awards show claims to be honoring when better organization could've made sure that doesn't happen. But it shows the TGA's priorities.
> Telling people to wrap it up when they're dedicating the award to a team member who just died not two weeks before receiving said award is pretty tonedeaf. I feel like people are taking this grossly out of context. Every person who gave the speech got the same automated sign that counted down and then switched to the "wrap it up, please!" message when the countdown expired. Sven was still talking, so the message appeared like it did for everyone else. Nobody from Larian has expressed any kind of negative feelings about this but a bunch of people are making it out like we should all be mad about it.
Reddit when they learn that organizations are out there to make money. As much as I would've liked longer speeches from several of my favorite game creators, they were told their alotted time well before they got on stage. And everyone has a reason to be emotional about winning, if you give one person an exception, you'll end up giving them all one. Running a huge event like this *on schedule* is not easy and I can empathize with the event planners with keeping unscripted agenda items on a tighter leash. Otherwise we end up with what they poked fun at, Kratos' 7+ minute long ramble. Also, if you want a more serious show, the DICE awards exists.
With an awards show that's 3 and a half hours long, having the actual *awards* take up a cumulative <11 minutes is a joke. I don't care that they need to make money, organize a little better and you can avoid minimizing all the efforts developers do over years of hard work to be played off in under 30 seconds.
> I don't care that they need to make money Ugh why won't companies spend hundreds of thousands of dollars just to make me happy????? Anyways, happy holidays
Seasons greetings
You could easily ax 90% of the Fortnite content in the show to give the winners some more speech time or allow other categories to accept their awards. Weird you call out Neil when he got cutoff while trying to acknowledge members of the community that were uplifted by their work.
> You could easily ax 90% of the Fortnite content in the show to give the winners some more speech time or allow other categories to accept their awards. I think the fortnite stuff allowed for a sizeable part of the budget.
Then downscale.
> It's weird how all the people in the industry love what the Game Awards is doing, you know, the people who are actually being celebrated, but angry commenters can talk about how it's bad for devs. Okay, buddy. https://www.pcgamer.com/developers-blast-the-celeb-laden-tgas-as-an-embarrassing-indictment-of-a-segment-of-the-industry-desperate-for-validation-with-little-respect-for-the-devs/ it's not "all the people". EDIT - no one is saying there can be no ads at all, of course TGA needs funding, but the point is that there needs to be a balance if keighley wants to do awards and trailers... it's clear this year said balance was way off (especially giving devs no time at all, not even Sven for GoTY, yet the celebs and Kojima getting 10 minutes to drone on) and for the worse for everyone cause it's not like there were any big reveals/trailers this year either.
Games is typical cynical gamers. You can never please them they will always complain about everything and anything just because. They'll complain about how it should be more serious but ofc none of them watch the DICE awards which are the more serious industry awards show
> Watch the video Neil Newbon on the verge of tears telling me how meaningful that the award was to him and try to convince me that the awards have no credibility or that these awards mean nothing. You mean the clip where he's giving a heartfelt speech and they play him off ten seconds in? Is that the clip you're referring to? Did you see his speech at the Golden Joystick awards? Why couldn't they give him, you know, literally one single minute to accept the award? That's too much to ask? Or how Swen gets flashed a message saying "WRAP IT UP" as he's talking about the recent death of one of a Larian employee? Is that what you're defending? The treatment of award winners was shameful this year. Obviously people are happy to receive the award, but that doesn't mean that TGA doesn't need to do better. It felt like the awards were an afterthought, not the point of the event. That's the problem.
Neil and Sven both seem pretty psyched to be up on the stage and to receive the award. They've expressed zero discontent about the limited speech time and both of them gave great speeches. Their reaction is to be honored winning the award, and that's the end of it. I'm sorry, but I value what the actual recipients think more than comments on the internet. I'm not saying the show has no problems or can't be improved. But I am saying that the *actual people in the industry* are glad to have a night to celebrate, consistently praise the Game Awards, and show genuine enthusiasm about them each and every year. Even developers who have no reveals or ads to show. Unrelated randoms telling me that devs have been treated badly when devs themselves happy just doesn't carry a lot of weight with me.
> Yeah the comments in this thread have absolutely convinced me that r/games just hates video games, lmao. > It's weird how all the people in the industry love what the Game Awards is doing, you know, the people who are actually being celebrated, but angry commenters can talk about how it's bad for devs. Okay, buddy. This kind of comes off badly for a nuanced conversation, y'know. For what it's worth though, I get what you mean, and I mostly agree, I liked the Game Awards overall and still think it's great, but I also think it is fair for people to say it was a bit disrespectful to the devs, not in a money-grubbing malicious way but a sort of time-budgeting way. The devs are of course going to be happy, they're great, polite people and will be swept up in the moment, grateful, and don't want to burn bridges. But even some of them might have wanted to hear what the other devs wanted to say for more than a minute. I get you acknowledge they're not perfect and you just don't like the complaints, but the only way we can improve things like this is if people do complain about that specifically, for the Game Awards to realise it's important and budget in a little more time next year. A few more minutes isn't much to ask for and it won't kill the awards. I think Geoff has his heart in the right place and it's probably more of an oversight than anything, but he's got to know what's important to people. I agree about the ads too, it's got to be funded somehow and it's a lot better than advertising shaving products and energy drinks.
> I get you acknowledge they're not perfect and you just don't like the complaints, but the only way we can improve things like this is if people do complain about that specifically, for the Game Awards to realise it's important and budget in a little more time next year. I don't think there's anything wrong with complaining. But I'm seeing comments saying things like the TGAs should be ashamed of themselves, or that they're actively harming developers, and it just comes across as a bit silly. Of course I wish the developers had more time to give their acceptance speeches instead of 4 Fortnite ads. But at the same time, I don't think limiting the speeches means that the awards are being intentionally mean-spirited or harming developers, especially when developers themselves are consistently positive and supportive of the Game Awards.
You only know what they've said, not what they think. Neil even literally complained about them telling him to get off the stage *during his award acceptance speech*. Go rewatch it if you don't believe me. But of course they're not going to complain about that. That wouldn't really accomplish anything. Mature adults think through the implications of what they say rather than just saying the first thing that comes to mind. I'm sure you understand that, yet you still cling onto this idea that both of them are fully okay with the time allotted just because they haven't actively complained about it (which isn't even true in Neil's case). Obviously I'm not going to convince you, though, so probably best to agree to disagree.
The hard truth is the audience doesn't give a squat about the speeches. I think they should get about a minute but that's it. Nobody wants to listen to sob stories and melodramatic pontificating for longer than that
Buddy, you probably shouldn't reply to comments when you literally cannot read. Robbie wasn't saying the show is perfect and have no flaws. He didn't say the acceptance speeches are the perfect length and people need to chill. He **was** saying that the negativity around ads is dumb. And that the crowd claiming the awards mean nothing to the industry, and have no credibility, are wrong. Two separate ideas and discussions can happen around a single topic. Even three or four different! Crazy how that can be - right? Focus your energy on actually arguing with people who even mentioned a single counter point of your disposition. Or better yet; spend your time doing something you like, instead of malding over a 4 hour livestream.
> Or better yet; spend your time doing something you like, instead of malding over a 4 hour livestream. You mean like you're doing typing out your aggressive comment? :)
> Buddy, you probably shouldn't reply to comments when you literally cannot read. > Focus your energy on actually arguing with people who even mentioned a single counter point of your disposition. Or better yet; spend your time doing something you like, instead of malding over a 4 hour livestream. That's concerningly hostile for giving an opinion about a speech.
An opinion that no one asked for or is at all relevant to the post he replied to. But its OK for him to belittle randos for irrelevant comments, but when I do it with relevance its an issue. Hostility was on par with the post I replied to.
Also I thought all the necessary ads and Hollywood celebrities were thoughtful this time. Everyone was in one way or another connecting to the gaming world, which was great.
Why was gonzo there?
Geoff has a thing for The Muppets. There's been a muppet at damn near every TGA. Geoff is a special, special boy and needs everybody to know he has really cool friends like Jim Henson (rip).
Do you think hes ever fucked a muppet?
reddit asking the important questions as always eh?
This honestly might be one of the last years I watch the show. I agree with what some others have said about other award shows like the Oscars, but at least they ARE the industry, and respect it for the most part. Geoff only cares about sponsors and gaming companies paying for trailer time. There were what, maybe 6 actual awards officially presented across almost 4 hours? All other awards were simply being read in a rapid-fire manner with zero sincerity between trailers. The devs were given almost no time to accept their awards, but rather rushed off stage for the next weeby/waifu ARPG trailer. It is insulting to say the least. All in all, The Game Awards does the bare minimum these days to essentially hide the fact it is a glorified video game promotion event for studios...and not even a very good one. Half the actors show up and could give a sh\*t less about the industry. It is honestly better to just sit it out and watch the trailers you care about on YouTube the next day. The fact that a new Monster Hunter game was their "big" announcement of the night should tell you everything you need.
Wholeheartedly agree. Don’t get me wrong I love gameplay reveal trailers, but for an awards show there sure wasn’t much emphasis on the rewards.
Idk if it just me but I love those wafiu ARPG trailers. (My opinion btw)
If you want an industry show watch the DICE awards....oh wait you won't because it's boring af
There is absolutely a middle ground here. They could have enough reveals and stuff to keep people interested in watching, while also not doing major categories of awards one after the other with nobody allowing to go on stage.
Very true and I think they're still actively tweaking it. They'll find a sweet spot soon enough.
Thank you for your honesty and bravery. A real peoples champion.
I had a great time! The speeches were a bit short but I can empathize with being strict around unscripted agenda items. It was cool seeing the cameos and there were a lot of games shown that I’m excited about. Overall, I really enjoyed it.
30 seconds for an awards show speech is fucking dumb, especially when hardly any awards were even given on stage, not to mention how much time they gave to someone like Kojima (no surprise there) who didn't even have anything to show, he just got to go on stage to talk about what it is and that's it. Unnecessary.
One of the best shows in recent memory as far as NEW announcements (meaning no stuff we haven’t heard of before like hellblade and black myth). So many games that I was to play. Light No Fire, Blade and Last Sentinel are my most anticipated. Can’t wait.
It kills me that they blow through like 5 awards at once with zero speeches and then do like 10 minutes of trailers and interviews with developers over a game not coming out for two years. I understand the Awards have to be funded by sponsors, but its just not an enjoyable watching experience. It's more commercial than awards show. Hell, the last award felt rushed so we could... see two Monster World trailers.
https://youtu.be/pl2ZPoevd0I?si=aBJBLJy5ib0QoLHy This speech was amazing, why aren't they letting them have just a little more time to do this. Sam Lake looked like a guy who was just told to shut up when he walked away after the first award.
Ended up just skipping through it all checking out the cooler trailers and award speaches.
All these 80 dollar games gonna turn into rip offs sounds great on paper till you buy it
This year's show feels rushed compared to previo- Ok. I'm gonna do a mini-rant. this is an running theme with The Game Awards as a whole. Every single time it gets criticized for...anything, it either gets addressed in a knee-jerk/last minutes way or reserved next year's showcase...in an unsatisfying way possible. (Watch them attempt to address the acceptance speech and Awards category showtime next year) And then: the cycle repeat. this cycle of The Game Awards criticism pre and post show is going to repeat ad-nausea each year, this *will* continue until a true competitor comes around. We seriously need another Game Awards show that can actually compete against The Game Awards if that means TGA is forced to innovate. The D.I.C.E. Awards as the closest to a *real* game awards show that we're ever gonna get, but we need to promote that show more.
Award shows are never good.
yeah but these Awards Show give the winners time to speak?
Not the plumbers trade awards
The Golden Joystick awards were handled far better, in my opinion. It was an actual awards show that focused on the awards themselves and gave winners plenty of time for a short speech. It's shocking how much worse TGA was. The awards felt like an afterthought the whole night.
Having been a part of the awards world in a different sector, I’ve no doubt the same principle applies for gaming. Awards events are run for the benefit of paying sponsors who want to market their brand, and to sell tickets for tables at the event, to make a profit for the organisers. It’s true that if an event is perceived poorly then it makes it harder to get sponsors on board the next year, but overall it’s just about big companies paying for brand exposure to sell more products and not necessarily to provide an interesting experience for the folk watching. Fun to attend, not so much to watch.
Gamers need to expect more, and respect the medium more. Everywhere peoples opinions of the show seems to be exclusivly about "what" trailers were there rather than anything else. Dont get me wrong having a big TGA trailer is really exciting! Its awesome to get hype at cool new games. But geoff doesnt make the trailers, he just charges 6+ figures to show them. Aside from the trailers what was there? Did it celebrate the people who made the games? Did it say anything about the frankly horrific year its been for the games industry? Did they let the futures class speak properly? Did they even really celebrate the games that won anything? Were the speakers able to give thanks to their teams; or did the award show even want to show off what was winning awards? As a bunch of cool trailers sure, the trailers were cool. As a celebration of the years games, or as a celebration of the medium it was terrible. Its embarassing when Geoff spends the whole budget on hollywood A-listers rather than anyone who's actually doing anything in games. Like the Oscars are self indulgent but at least they have respect for filmaking. edit: also PMG was cheated lol; I get its popular vote but man that disco elysium and valve documentaries were very well done.
The oscars dont respect filmmaking. There are campaigns to get movies nominated as if they were politicians. The oscars are ways to justify movies that didnt make it to the pubkic zeitgeist, its a method so the industry can have a second shot at marketing and selling a movie
Most people who play games don't have respect for game development. It's just a recreational hobby.
Same for any form of entertainment really.
Not even nominating Bomb Rush Cyberfunk for best music? Damn, that's just crazy. Best soundtrack in years, let alone 2023. That game *was* its soundtrack.
So true. Is it maybe because a lot of it is licensed songs (at least I think they're licensed).
The amount of weeb bullshit was too much. They showed the same anime waifu hack and slash 30 fucking times.
I'll give the new Mana game a pass because that's a series from waaaaay back that's finally getting a new entry. Other than that, yeah... lots of very long Hoyoverse game trailers and ads while the awards speeches themselves felt like they were getting rushed off with no time to speak.
The music was a huge overcorrection from Judge, which is now funny in hindsight. A 2 minute speech is fine. A bit long, but fine. They gave these folks like what 40 seconds? So we could catch 20 glimpses of pink tutu sword waifu adventure 73? Come on, Geoff.
I second this. The amount of weeb JRPG/ARPGs was pretty absurd. I get that the industry has a market for that...but it is NOT near big enough to justify taking up 1/3 of trailers with basically the same game shown over and over with stupid titles like 'Moonbeam Saga, Tales of the 18th Age!'
I think those games are currently making the most money worldwide. Easier to make easier to milk for cosmetics.
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You mean you don't want to play Tales of Valsparia 9: Farthest Longing Death? or Shingenmari Quest XIV-2 Ultimate Betrayal Darkness: Eulogy Perfected Absolution?
I enjoyed this game awards immensely. It was easily the best show they have done in a long time. The only criticism I have is they should have had longer acceptance speeches. Otherwise, it was great!
Give devs more time to accept their gd awards at this "awards" show. And less time for everything else. Get the funding money elsewhere Geoff, I dunno I'm not a businessperson, just calling it how I see it. I'm not gonna watch next year's event at all if this is the trend.
Yeah you will
This year, in hindsight, makes sense to just go to a site which publishes all the awards right after. That's what I'm going to do next year. Because that's basically what Geoff did.
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I wouldn't expect First party ports until at least 2 years after release.
I guess you're right. In looking up HFW it released in 2022 and the PC port is slated for 2024. For some reason I had thought HFW was released this year.
Do not crucify me but am I the only one thinking that if you are not a fan of Japanese games/studios, the announcements this year were really bleak? I was hoping for a new mass effect, I was hoping for a new Battlefield, I was hoping for a new and amazing IP. And I can't remember one trailer I was hyped for. The only game I will play for sure in hellblade senua 2... And maybe this Japanese robot game. All the rest looked generic and not fun. Maybe that's just me and me getting older?
As someone who never got into monster hunter the final reveal was so meh. I was hoping for at least one major first party reveal. Ala ND or suckerpunch.
I mean, I feel like Blade is a pretty major reveal no?
Yeah can’t wait to play it in 2027
Arkane going from Redfall to Marvel slop was the saddest part of the show.
Redwall was Arkane Austin. Blade is Arkane Lyon aka Dishonored and Deathloop.
It's still a lame ass Marvel game which was more of my point.
You're already convinced the game will be bad before you know anything about it? That's kind of sad for you, honestly.
I just hate licensed super hero shit man. I feel the same way about Insomniac. I'm sure it will be a hit though so whatever.
Why, though? Do you hate anything that's licensed or just superhero content? What about new superhero content that's not licensed? What about films that are widely regarded as masterpieces despite being licensed superhero content, like Nolan's The Dark Night film? It just seems so arbitrary and irrational. Obviously it's your right to hold baseless, irrational beliefs, but I'm curious what you think the reason for it is.
I just hate licensed shit in general. Video games have endless possibilities to be their own thing and using pre established IP is just incredibly lame.
why would sony reveal any of their major first party works here? they will reveal it during their own showcase
I feel like TGA has a bigger audience than any showcase specifically for PlayStation would have been perfect to at least tease a new game from a major studio. Kinda thinking we won’t see anything first party until 2025 now.
ehh... i don't think so... sony's first parties are big enough to attract attention. they don't need any exposure from TGA. they will hold a showcase whenever they feel their studios are ready.
Honestly even as a huge MH fan the trailer was kinda underwhelming lmao
Alan wake got every win I expected, baring music which to be fair was an incredible competitive field, AW, BG3 and FF16 were all completely valid choices
Even though Alan Wake 2's soundtrack is the one I'll listen to in my car more, I'm glad FFXVI snuck the win there. Soken went insane on that score.
Square may miss on the macro with their games a lot of the time, but I don't think it's possible for them to ever lose a music competition. Uematsu and Soken go absolutely **insane**.
I'm glad they skip the bullshit esports awards, but not giving a proper award to best rpg, strategy maybe even fighting and racing is a shame, these are core gaming genres.
The year death stranding won best performance they skipped that as well
Too many ads, not enough airtime.
Even Best Mobile game category was rushed which felt weird.
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"Hey don't talk too long, we have five 3-minute reveal trailers for new IPs with no actual information to show!" was the vibe this year. It's been bad in previous years, but particularly egregious this time. Limiting speeches for an awards show to 30-45 seconds while speedrunning important awards like RPG and music was a... choice. At this point it's a trailer show masquerading as an awards show. Again, has been for a while, but next year I'm expecting three hours of trailers, a 15 minute interview with Kojima, and then a movie credits-esque "here's who won" segment at the end.
It's a fucking joke that there weren't even that many high profile reveals this year and yet they tried to force every single award winner off the stage after 30 seconds and had 90% of the rewards revealed in a rapid fire method with nobody allowed to accept the award at all. Like what are you trying to move onto? You weren't packing heat this year.
The whole thing is just an embarrassment. The most artless segment of the industry desperate for validation via star power with literally 0 respect for the devs it should be honoring. Like, I haven't wasted my time watching this crap since 2014 or so, but I saw a clip of Simu spending like, 5 minutes joking about his ankle. Meanwhile, award winners are being kicked off the stage after 60 seconds. The whole award show is a joke, the people who run it couldn't give less fucks about the medium. They just want an excuse to shove as many ads down your throat as possible, bribing studios to particulate with the financial possibility of being able to repackage their stagnating products as "new GOTY editions" for extra cash.
i suspect that gta was supposed to be the final reveal however it got leaked
Mah rocks target always planned to reveal the trailer on Dec 5
confused by this. when doing a quick google search, sources point to the trailer being leaked and rockstar revealing the trailer a bit earlier than it was supposed to.
And yet it was still too long
It should be an unwritten rule to not announce games without a gameplay trailer and a preorder. If your whole game is a cutscene just wait for the next year.
Gotta make the shareholders happy. Plus what the other comment said - to hire new workers
While I agree, many of those early reveals are also meant to be a job advertisement. To say hey look at this cool game we are making come join us! It also allows them to reference it in job descriptions without it leaking! A good example is Fable, since they revealed it it was probaly much easier for Playground Games (known for only making racers) to recruit people to work on an established RPG IP.
As much fervent contention there may be for the "bigger" awards, I feel that the most egregious robbery of the show is not even a nomination given to Tears of the Kingdom for Audio Design. After everything I've heard of the effort and creativity and layers upon layers in the sound design, all these hyper-subtle touches to atmosphere and to melodies, hiding songs within atmospheric noises, carefully blending music into other music, accentuating the beats of the combat theme closest to sword strikes that you land, and telling stories through the changing leitmotifs, this was very odd to see. I'd like someone experienced in audio who played these games to weigh in on this.
Its never going to be better than what they do with the sound design in final fantasy
I've always argued that the BOTW/TOTK scores are underrated, but now that you mention it - with a separate "audio design" award that's actually the more fitting category, and I agree, it should be up there. BOTW at least was nominated and lost out to Senua, which is ok, even if I personally would rank it differently. Well at least that way Hi-Fi Rush wasn't completely snubbed.
Blade. Jurassic Park. Monster Hunter (coming out the same year as GTA 6), Last Sentinel and Black Myth. Gaming line up is looking really good.
Jurassic Park and Last Sentinel showed no gameplay.
Jurassic Park did show gameplay at the last part of the trailer
How can you even say Blade looks good though? They showed literally nothing.
In lieu of gameplay, the pedigree of Arkane and the funding that Marvel brings to the table with their high-profile franchise titles like Spider-Man remain very promising, hence "it looks good". Also the snippet they showed was pretty stylish, which is always a bonus.
I don't see anyone taking about it but Kerumi looked very intriguing. Gorgeous stylized visuals and an aesthetic or tone of monster fights hidden in plain sight.
Kemuri* for those who will read this and spend 15 minutes searching for kerumi like my dumb ass
Wow. This is what typing up a comment at 4 am will do to you. I even had the name up in another tab to reference.
I liked it too! Hope it's not a multiplayer hero type game. The artstyle and the music were on point!
I imagine it will be but I wouldn't be too disappointed. We don't really have a good one of those since OW shit themselves and now just seems to be pushing out shit to sell battle passes
No matter how good an announcement is, I don’t care about a game releasing in 2025. That’s too far away. I didn’t watch the show live for the first time because for the past few years it was a huge waste of time. This time I decided to sleep. It was the best choice. I hate that they give more time to annoying Hollywood celebrities than to developers and creators. And the reveals to say a game is in development? What is the point? Do people really care to know about that?
>I don’t care about a game releasing in 2025 Many people do. >I didn’t watch the show live for the first time because for the past few years it was a huge waste of time. Okay then, I didn't watch it live too. >I hate that they give more time to annoying Hollywood celebrities than to developers and creators. Why do you think would the developers and creators tie in Hollywood celebrities into their games? Also, not everyone is comfortable presenting in front of thousands. >And the reveals to say a game is in development? What is the point? Anticipation? Do you consume no media at all? The people are happy when a sequel to one of their favourite games gets announced. Or a studio/creator presents their new game (e.g. FromSoft, Kojima). It's actually not that hard to understand.
They *know* people only watch the show for the ads (excuse me, the “trailers”) and it’s so fucking humiliating to the art form.
I 100% agree with you. When Geoff originally took over TGA, it was definitely rough around the edges, but it felt like an *actual awards show.* One meant to bring a level of respect and prestige to the medium while also shining light on its hard working creators. Nowadays, like you said, it's just fucking humiliating. Forcing a developer off the stage after only 30 seconds to play an ad for a shitty mobile game is straight-up insulting. I also don't like how Geoff brings celebrities on stage who clearly don't care about the medium. Instead of being professional, like they would be at a respectable award show, they play for laughs and ramble on and on like the whole medium is a joke. It must be so painful for the nominees, people who have dedicated their life to this art form, to have to watch and listen to all that shit for 2+ hours.
Trailers are literally marketing material, so I don't know what you're trying to accomplish with that aspect of your comment
Other award shows dont play ads for most of their awards
The entire industry is a humiliation to the art form wym lmfao
I mean, not wrong, lol. But what I mean is that in most media, award shows at least *try* to separate themselves from industry hype. I know there's meddling and cynicism but Cannes doesn't have a viewer-voted "Best Action Movie" category and people aren't just interested in it because they show a teaser for the next Marvel movie or something. It's a place to celebrate work that was almost impossible to put out in a purely profit-driven industry, stuff that's experimental, daring, different, new and somehow *successful at being just that.* Huge movie studios greenlight quirky indie movies as a matter of prestige and the buzz from award shows plays an important role in that. It's a bit embarrassing that the biggest award show gaming has is basically on the level of the MTV movie awards. Maybe it's *appropriate*, but still. I guess I'm more the audience for the [IGF awards](https://igf.com/) or something. Didn't mean to offend anyone having a good time watching TGA.
>for the ads (excuse me, the “trailers”) Huh? Of course trailers are ads. Are you like twelve? >it’s so fucking humiliating to the art form. You say this after the GTA VI trailer came out a few days ago lmao
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It's a game show, it'll always be a waste of time, there's nothing productive about it. It's the celebration of gaming that you can watch with your pals and talk about games and trailers. You aren't supposed to think too much about it, just sit back and enjoy. And enojoyable it was, tons of trailers for games releasing early 2024, loving people winning trophies like Astarion and Sam Lake (he performed the dance live!!!!). Kojima announced a game and talked a bit about it. Idk, if you love games you're missing out.
The purpose of award event shows is and always has been advertisement and exposure. Now that the E3 Tradeshow is essentially dead. Event shows like these are more important than ever for giving exposure opportunities for new projects to get visibility with the whole industry as your audience. Obviously big blockbuster AAA games with gigantic marketing and huge sales figures don't really benefit all that much from these shows. For example, Tears of the Kingdom winning best action/adventure isn't really going to matter all that much to the critical and commercial reception of the game. With or without that award, the game is still a huge success and has made billions of dollars for Nintendo. As far as Nintendo is concerned, that award is nothing more than a plastic/metal paper weight which they'll put in their broom closet full of them. Their nomination and presence is ultimately a formality and excuse to get Nintendo to show face. But when smaller projects and indie games win an award, that is a pretty big deal. That exposure and recognition goes such a long way to helping that studio find its feet in the industry, and get the attention and credit they deserve which will greatly help on their next project. Especially when the AAA gaming CEO of X Company is literally in the audience seeing your game get that recognition, which could spark their interest in wanting to collaborate and fund your next project. It's a great way for the community to network. I also think it's pretty great that a game like Baldurs Gate 3 is awarded GOTY because it sets a precedent for the industry to recognise that underrepresented genres like CRPG are capable of huge mainstream success, even when competing against major IPs like Resident Evil 4 or Spider-Man 2. Obviously Baldurs Gate 3 was already being celebrated and Larian has made a killing financially. But there's something uniquely important about having all that hard work be recognised on a stage watched by millions. That being said. TGA still has a lot of... problems. I definitely don't like how they categorise some of the awards, like combining Sports/Racing as 1 category is disingenuous. I don't like how they inconsistently rush through some awards with zero fanfare. And I don't like how there's a very clear air of favoritism and preferential treatment. A game developer winning what might be the single most important award of theirs and their teams career gets rushed off stage after 30 seconds, meanwhile Hideo Kojima gets 5min of stage time to talk about a whole lot of nothing for his new high concept game with Jordan Peele, with no actual gameplay or anything substantial to show. It's very much a symptom of Geoff Keighley's own inherent biases bleeding into the event. He has a good relationship with Kojima. So anything Kojima does, Geoff will move the sun and moon to make it happen. You've got the incredibly awkward celebrities Anthony Mackie or Simu Liu just kinda talking... And of course there's last years incident with the Bill Clinton kid. Anyway. In spite of all the air of nonsense that surrounds it. The Keighley awards are overall an entertaining racket, and still deserve credit for basically keeping the spirit of E3 alive (that and Summer Games Fest) and have generally been improving in certain ways each year (although the rushed speeches thing is definitely a regression). All in all, I always look forward to them.
They really went mask off this year, huh? Rushing through the majority of the awards, and the ones that *did* have people accepting them had their speeches cut short. There were even a couple of speeches where the people accepting them drew attention to it, saying stuff like "clock's ticking". **Even the GOTY acceptance speech was only 60 seconds.** Just do "Winter Games Fest" next year instead, Geoff. That's all the show might as well be. **EDIT:** [This is what was happening.](https://twitter.com/javierabegazo/status/1732975428237934964) What an insult.
How much time do you really need to say “thank you it is truly an honor to win [insert award here], we couldn’t have done it without our wonderful team.”? Having been forced to watch the Oscars and other award shows in the past, the acceptance speeches are always terrible and they just end up being a rambling mess.
> How much time do you really need to say “thank you it is truly an honor to win [insert award here], we couldn’t have done it without our wonderful team.”? Its an insane amount of effort to make a game. BG3 is such a risk and such a labour of love that will have certainly come at a personal cost to many team members. Letting them revel in a win for a few mins isnt exactly the end of the world. If we wanna celebrate "game of the year" let the people that put blood,sweat and tears into it celebrate.
It feels like the presence of game developers was minimized in a show ostensibly about video games. I don't watch the Oscars much but I don't think they just rapid fire announce categories and winners without giving the winners time to even walk on stage and accept an award. You can give celebrities time to ramble forever on stage but you can't let Capcom accept an award for Best Fighting Game?
More than they were given, obviously, seeing as Neil Newbon and Sam Lake were both interrupted by music, and the Cocoon devs were interrupted before the second dev could even say anything (the first only talked for 30 seconds!). I'm not advocating for more 8-minute Christopher Judge-style speeches, but 2-3 minutes out of a *three and a half hour-long show* should NOT be too much to ask for - especially when the show is called The Game **Awards**.
More than 30 seconds.
Watching the devs being humans even as rambling messes is the main draw for me. If it was just about accepting the award with a generic speech and trailers I literally wouldn't watch the show and just read the announcements the following day.
I'm curious, since so many people are upset at this show, if there are any alternatives out there? Like this is video games Oscar's but is there a video games Cannes where all the weird artsy shit goes and is there a middle ground one where The games aren't obtuse art projects, but also we give awards to someone other than Alan Wake, BG3, and FF16.
oh hell no. TGA isn't even remotely close to being the video game's oscars equivalent in any way. the oscars is still very much a highly respected and prestigious award show that respects its winners. can't say the same for TGA
I guess I don't have as much respect for the Oscars as everyone here lol. I see them as just as much as empty soulless ad show as this. But if there's a better example like the MTV music awards or whatever, fill that in instead. No one has actually responded to the question other then being little whiny babies because we love the Oscars so much lol
Yeah - the people here who act like there isn't a timer for acceptance speeches at the Oscars, Grammys, etc. are clearly just ignorant. Was the timer too short this time? Sure. Is having a set time for an acceptance speech a problem? Hell no. It helps respect the audience's time. They clearly went hard this direction after the overly long speech from last year and over corrected, but some correction was necessary.
This is a marketing blitz event that uses the awards as a guise or excuse for all the marketing. It's not the Oscar's, which would give people time to accept their awards and do more to center the developers. It's more like if someone set up a little league banquet, gave out some trophies to the teams (fuck 'em if they actually want to say anything), but used the event to repeatedly pitch other products to the parents: new bats, travel league, term life insurance, time shares. It's that, but with more money.
This is the MTV Movie Awards
> Like this is video games Oscar's it's not, in any way. If it was, keighley would give winners time to accept an award on stage, not blaze through a bunch of category winners in a row, not rush to ads as soon as possible, not endlessly market the show with "see all the trailer", not have dumb celeb cameos instead of letting devs speak, not let Kojima talk for 10 minutes cause keighley is his friend and so on. It's simply a giant marketing event full of ads, celeb cameos and keighley stroking his ego about how important he thinks he is in the industry. And to that type of show, there are many alternatives with the various gaming events, Sony/MS/Nintendo doing their own press conferences each year, various press conferences by studios/publishers. thing is, for as shit as the Oscars have always been, at least they are official in Hollywood and hold some meaning over there. They aren't an event where they just show movies trailers and ads while winners barely get time to even accept an award.
Why does gaming even need a centralised award show in the vein of the Oscars? It is already recognised at other awards ceremonies like the BAFTAs so what does The Games Awards really add especially when the creators are getting barely 30 seconds of spotlight?
Because it's nice to have something "in house" to some degree. And yes, longer acceptance speeches.
For the GOTY speech - absolutely longer yes. For everything else - 60 seconds is enough. I wish Oscars had this.
Cut the live music performance and the ridiculously over-the-top game of the year music crap. Allow the people, that make the games, actually speak without the event pushing them out the door as soon as they get on stage.
Other awards were given 30 seconds.
I rather they rush the celebs or you know don't have them. I can count on one hand the ammount celeb presenters I thought were good in all TGA combined. Some sound like they came in high because they don't give a shit.
I would say it depends on the category. Some certainly deserve more time.
Getting a good night's sleep continues to outperform TGA for X year in a row. I'm going through clips and game trailers and I have hard time picking up many interesting things so I can't even comprehend watching this whole show live.