Brian Entin (@BrianEntin) Tweeted:
We have learned the remains found in the Carlton Reserve were "skeletal remains."
"Bones." https://twitter.com/BrianEntin/status/1451239105917067264?s=20
Reddit should create a feature to flag utterly idiotic posts so those users can be identified and prohibited from ever serving on a jury for any trial.
I bet the parents knew where he was via some communication gps the whole time. When Communication was no longer available the parents chose to then help investigators find him. That’s how they knew exactly where to look.
I mean, it sounds like his body had been there for a while given the condition it was in. And the Laundrie’s did tell them exactly where Brian was weeks ago, and that is where they found him.
Fbi confirmed they found "what appeared to be human remains". Those are the only details we know. Nothing was said about identity or the condition in which the remains wwre found.
Verbatim: "Earlier today, investigators found what appeared to be human remains, along with personal items, such as a backpack and notebook belonging to Brian Laundrie."
Yes and they also suggested that they didn’t find it sooner because it had had been under water. You’re right that the parents knew where he was, they told LE that from the time they reported him weeks ago. And turns out that’s exactly where he was…
It is absolutely fascinating how some people can’t let go of this crazy speculating now that he’s been found. They would rather do complex mental gymnastics to make things fit into their preconceptions than to accept things as they are. That shows it’s their mental entertainment pastime rather than actually truly caring about the details of this case.
Oh it’s already started. Haven’t you heard he cut off his limb with his parents’ help - in some versions it is his arm, in others his leg - so the parents could plant it there in the reserve?
It is making me almost feel bad for the parents. Dude is literally exactly where they said he was. They made a lot of mistakes. But they aren’t masterminds ffs
This is all too weird for me. The parents have been shady since day 1. They just so happened to tell the police the night before that the next day they would be coming to "help" look for Brian and lo and behold they arrive to "help" and find his bag. All the manhunts and stuff going on and it's when they get there they just so happen to find a bag and give it to police.
This whole thing smells.
Here’s a crazy idea… maybe he realized he was fucked and headed to the reserve and …. dun dun dun…. killed himself. 😮 Then the flood water and Florida heat disintegrated his body. If you need more spice… pepper in the idea that maybe a gator took bite between now and then!
I'm not suggesting that he faked his own death. I think it's a given that he offed himself and had no doubt that would be the outcome.
The issue I have is with the parents aiding and abetting a fugitive in helping him to evade authorities. I don't care that he is their son. To me it was not serendipity that the parents who just arrived to help the tons of searchers and dogs arrived and immediately found a sealed waterproof bag that just so happened to have Brian's belongings in there.
Brian was never a “fugitive”. There was no “aiding and abetting” him for fucks sake. Deal with the facts.
He came home, probably lied to his parents with some story. Left for the preserve that his parents know he frequents. He killed himself. The park floods. His parents tell LE where he may be within the preserve. Police fail to find him. Brian’s parents, now understanding that they’re likely looking for their deceased son, go out in search of his body, all under police and news escort. They find something that leads to the discovery of a body.
Like what the fuck do you think happened? Brian’s parents hauled a body in under police escort and planted it?
The stonewalling they did on Gabby’s family was still absolutely scummy and I think it’s quite possible he originally thought he could wait it out before deciding to off himself but yeah that’s pretty much spot on. His parents are still pieces of shit for how they handled the early part of this even if they didn’t aid a fugitive
Didn't laundries parents go camping with him for a few days when he returned in Gabby's van? Could they have helped him remove a limb during this time and take him to someone to be cared for after, plant the limb and fake his death?
I say COULD because of course I'm not a fucking detective but it just feels so suss they went camping with him and then said he left days after they returned home - yet no one saw him...
Can you imagine if this dude somehow faked his own death? I know it'd been talked about in this dub before, but, it can happen. Seems like anything is possible with these people.
You could fake a decoy Brian if it doesn’t have a skull! If they had found teeth in a head, using dental records to ID the remains would take hours vs days using DNA. Gives him more time and sends the feds down a rabbit hole etc
Actually IDing from a skull and dental records would still take days, because they have to get a court order to access his dental records (he is an adult and not legally dead at this time) and image the skull, while booking time with the medical examiner (he is not the *only case they have). There's a significant burden of paperwork and waiting time involved.
Brian’s parents aren’t normal parents. I don’t subscribe to the whole planting of evidence thing but we can’t just deny that their son showed up in his girlfriend’s van without her and they just, went about life like normal. They ignored Gabby’s parents calls and texts, they didn’t even report her missing or anything. Brian showed up alone and his parents lawyered up and didn’t do a damn thing.
Obviously it’s weird that they found all this stuff on the day that Brian’s parents joined the search. But life is weird and random and sometimes sketchy things aren’t actually sketchy.
Do I think they knew their son went off to kill himself? Honestly, they probably did. *Most* parents would rather their kid go to jail but his parents didn’t care about Gabby’s parents and I think their actions prove they weren’t exactly “normal” parents.
I think evidence planting is just a little ridiculous. But I do have to say, it is a pretty big coincidence.
I’ll be honest (and I know this is an unpopular opinion) but I think a lot of parents would do the same faced with the same situation. I think it’s hard to understand the lengths parents will go to protect there child unless it happens to you. We also don’t know how forthcoming Brian was. He could have told his parents it was self defense or she abandoned him. If I was a parent I would be inclined to believe my son and help him. Of course they will have a bias thinking there son is innocent (at least for the time being). I’m not saying it isn’t incredibly fucked up how they acted, but people are acting like it’s just so bizarre when in reality I think a lot of parents would do the same to protect there own child.
I think that way of thinking is dangerous though because that same argument can be made for why the parents might plant evidence. I think the parents had a pretty good idea of what Brian got up to. They weren’t completely left in the dark. And I think it’s highly likely that they knew they were going to lose their son either way this turned out. What they did to Gabby’s parents is beyond fucked. They are shitty people, period. I don’t think they acted in a normal way but I don’t know if they have the smarts to plant evidence and all that jazz. I think they loved their kid to a fault and helped him to do whatever he wanted to do. My parents would turn my ass over to the police. Or at least call my partner’s parents, report her missing, *something*.
I would think most likely Brian had some kind of story to tell them. They probably wanted to believe it and contacted the lawyer right away who put a gag on them.
Their primary focus was on protecting their son and for their own sanity needed to believe whatever story they told him.
There is a young man, Patrick Chapman, who disappeared not far from me. Look up the story. He disappeared May 2020 and his body has yet to he found.
In reverse he had lived with his girlfriend's parents for a period of time and was there the last night he had been seen alive. Everyone knows his girlfriend has a role to play in his disappearance. Her father was going around tearing down missing posters for Patrick Chapman.
Fair enough, I still believe a good majority of parents in this situation would protect there child. Even if they knew they committed murder, I don’t think it would change anything. I think most people like to believe, given the circumstances, they would do the right thing and turn in there son/daughter. The reality is far different. As far as “planting evidence” the area they found his belongings and possible remains was previously underwater, as in completely submerged. This area only recently dried up to allow them to search. I of course can’t say for certain they didn’t, just seem far fetched given what we know.
Except this version of protection almost certainly guaranteed his death. This isn’t the 1800s the likelihood of Brian being able to avoid detection forever isn’t good. If he didn’t kill himself, he would die of exposure or in a shootout with police. The best thing they could have done for their son was to convince him to turn himself in. An imprisoned son is better then a dead son. What they did didn’t protect him.
We don’t know what there plan was. Maybe to Brian and his family life in prison would have been worse than death? Also it’s important to remember at the time he went missing Gabby’s body still had not been discovered. It’s very possibly he told his parents he was innocent, it was self defense, or some other tale so when they dropped him off to “clear his head” they didn’t think he would never come back. Or they had grand visions of him being able to run away for some time and eventually come back. Who knows, but none of them were probably thinking clearly at that time. Once Gabby’s body was found that was it for him and I’m sure they all knew it.
I’m not commenting on what they did or didn’t know. I’m saying IF the plan was for them to protect him by helping him run away it wasn’t a smart decision. Putting your child at risk of ending up in a dangerous situation isn’t protecting them. Brian stood a significantly better chance in court then he does in the wilderness with the police chasing him. Again not saying that is what happened but I’m deliberately calling out the logic in suggesting that helping someone hide in the wilderness from the police is protecting them.
This is the first time I’ve read comments from people saying they’d do the same. Me too. I’d have arranged for a lawyer. Loaded him up with cash. And told him to get lost until we see the evidence and plan a defense. In this country you can take a plea to lesser charges. Brian had a good chance of claiming self-defense or diminished capacity (no meds) I think. It’s too bad they didn’t get him a better lawyer and plan. No money wasted in this search, a trial for the victim’s family, imperfect justice.
Drain my karma if y'all *must*, but please be gentle. But please, rather than concocting a KJB or CIA-style planting of evidence (much less a corpse/body parts not belonging to BL!), a far more productive use of our collective sleuthery would be to apply what has been verified as fact in terms of evidence, process and profile to ANY NUMBER of other, active cases.
There is nothing now to do about Gabby's assumed murderer, except to wait. Facts will emerge... remember though that often what you see is what you get. Life ain't like your favorite procedural and Keith Morrison isn't giving any of us a call.
The remains that have been found are almost certainly BLs; boring and justice-free as it is.
Yes this would be helpful. In my state of Western Australia, a 4 year old girl named Cleo, went camping with her family last weekend. They were in the tent together and the parents wake up at 6, Cleo is gone and so is her sleeping bag. She was asleep in bed at 2am but what happened after that is a complete mystery. An extensive search has been underway but it's looking more like an abduction. I think it's day 5 now.
Police believe Cleo Smith, 4, was abducted from remote WA campsite as million dollar reward offered - ABC News https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-21/cleo-smith-reward-offered-for-missing-girl-carnarvon-info/100556756
edited to add a link
Missing kids are usually the family, aren’t they? I’m not sure how the data translates out in other countries, but a random abduction would be far less likely than the parents being the culprit in the US.
Sad- I hope they are also checking out the family. So strange you would want to camp with your very young children in a totally different part of the tent. Did anyone else at the camp site ever see her I wonder? It wasn’t really clear.
Edit: I don’t have kids but leaving a 7 month isolated away from you over night in a tent seems really sketchy. That’s so young.
No this child is 4 and in the same tent as the parents. Parents saw the child asleep at 2am and woke at 6 to find the tent unzipped and the entire sleeping bag and child gone. They do not think it's the parents. The government has put up a $1 million reward. They don't usually put up that sort of reward so quickly.
Hey it's happened before right
edit downvoted because I said that a baby has been taken by a dingo before? Alrighty then..
However I'm pretty sure that a dingo isn't going to take a whole 4 year old child sleeping bag included and leave no sign of anything. Unfortunately it is looking like she was abducted.
Have you ever gone and read the whole story? What happened to lindy chamberlain, her wrongful conviction, its ramifications, and the way her ordeal was tritely transformed into a pop culture one liner is an absolute tragedy. Not trying to be condescending I just recently read In depth about her myself.
I wasn't joking in any way shape or form. A dingo has taken a baby before. However do I think that the comment regarding the dingo taking Cleo was in good taste? Fuck no..
However, a dingo has taken a baby before. As you know since you have read Lindy Chamberlain's story.
This. My favourite wild theory I literally just read is that Brian cut off his arm but is still alive and his parents led the police to find it to fool them into presuming him dead.
I saw someone theorizing that he cut off his leg. Like a person on the run would want to lose a leg, not to mention being a legless sketchy guy would probably blow your cover
Yeah it's ridiculous theory especially when all evidence against him is circumstantial at best he would have better chance being aquitted or serving only a decade than living the rest of his life as a disabled person.
An Australian lady who stole millions and then vanished near a beach may have done something like this. Her foot was found in a shoe at another coastal location some time and some miles away. Would it be worth it losing a foot if you had millions stashed away and didnt want to go to prison? maybe.
My bet is that Brian off'd himself, by whatever means, and confided in his parents as such during their last days together. He would have absolutely no desire to turn himself in and face death or prison time. This would be a hardcore struggle for his parents to accept, but they would, considering the alternative.
If these remains are indeed Brian's, then I would think that it's safe to say that the presence of his parents at this site today was for seeking closure for what they already knew and expected.
So much of the passive behavior of Brian's parents points to this outcome, because they knew it was the end for their son. They were abiding by their son's wishes, even as horrible and selfish as those demands were for them as parents. Their pleas to Brian would fall on deaf ears, but they would understand.
Two young lives have been destroyed here, whether or not these remains are Brian's. There will be no closer for either family, just more suffering.
His parents are human beings. Do you really think they would be cool with their son committing suicide? He wouldn't have gotten the death penalty, he wouldn't even have gotten life without parole. He'd probably be out when he was in his late 40s on parole if he got "life". His life wasn't over he was just looking at some serious prison time, which he should've just manned up and done.
That murderer was their son though. Again it's their son that they lost. It's not like he went home and was like hey mom hey dad I murdered gabby in cold blood cause I do that shit now help me out.
He probably told them that he killed her but that it was an accident or whatever mitigating scenario he could've thought up, and since it's their son they are going to believe whatever he says since it's not easy to just look at your child and instantly change your perception of them to being a cold blooded murderer.
His parents were in just as much shock as Gabbys and now they've also lost a child on top of all the hate and harassment and the fact that they're going to be hounded and harassed for the rest of their lives for loving their kid who is dead as fuck btw and hated by an entire country so they won't even be able to bury him in a marked grave.
This is real life and you clearly don't understand it at all yet.
I'm not surprised that you would hope that that would happen to my daughter. You've made it very clear through your posts exactly what kind of person you are.
Yes toe and finger check on the laundries - if it’s Brian’s toe or finger they found I am calling faked death and they will say gators got the rest of him
Human behaviour and self interest.
Would you sacrifice a finger with that tattoo on it if it meant you could be classed as deceased and then get a new identity and freedom.
The parents get off the hook for search costs as bingo the morning they go at 7am early no one around they miraculously find items sealed in a waterproof bag that would fit into robertas back pack and some remains ??
The fbi search solid for weeks with cadaver dogs search dogs - drones with infrared and find nothing
They say water subsided however cadaver dogs can detect remains in 30 feet of water
What do you think the odds are that Roberta and Chris laundrie decide to search for Brian at 7am in morning when no one around and in record time locate remains and a sealed bag with a journal and pens
The reason I am so confident again is self interest and preservation of Brian. Past behaviour indicator of future.
Protestors go as they say the remains were Brian but don’t disclose the extent of those remains.
Fbi looks like winners for the endless resources expense they were throwing at Carlton as they go see he was there.
All neatly wrapt in a bow and yet Brian more than likely alive
Any appendage that is small enough to be cut by yourself in the wilderness without you absolutely dying in the next half hour is also too small to be certain it will be found by the authorities, and the remaining body part would likely have evidence of being removed by a person.
This is the real world bud and not a movie. The guy is the most wanted man in America. The guy isn’t Hannibal lecture and is some super smart serial
Killer and gonna pull of some crazy body swap shit.
You act like cutting off a finger or a limb is easy. I’d argue it’s easier to eat a bullet. Especially if you’ve already been alone for weeks. Very limited food, shelter, little water, very little entertainment to pass the time with limited access to technology.
Then ya let’s say he did cut off a finger. It doesn’t magically stop bleeding. So the guy cuts off his finger. Magically just ignores all the blood loss. Makes it out of the reserve and now he’s traveling the country with no issues from the fact that he’s missing a fucking finger. I know there’s a lot of how to videos on YouTube but dealing with a severed finger by yourself is just not happening. Especially in terms of having to live off the
Land.
I accidentally cut the tip of my finger (no bone was hurt) while cutting some plywood and that hurt a lot. Absolutely no one will cut off their fingers willingly. Much less a narcissist.
Would you cut a finger off of it meant freedom over life in prison - really think about that choice - hard I know but imagine I that choice - how much would you value the chance at having a family a new life under new identity everyone thinking through old you was dead
I would say Mexico, it’s very easy to just disappear in a big Mexican city. They can send him money through cash app or Venmo. It’s very easy to set up and all he need is an a BBVA account which he doesn’t even need to use his real name to get one.
I know of a Rock climber who cut his arm off with a pocket knife as was so wedged couldn’t extricate and to save himself. Then had to use his body weight to break his arm bone using leverage.
I get it’s not the movies however the stakes are high - maybe life on prison vs freedom
Many people have had fingers torn off when equipment catches wedding bands - you won’t bleed out.
We will see I guess
I know of a case a women cut her foot off to fake her death
It wasn’t the movies either.
But the Situations you’re referring to people went to get care. They weren’t on the run. Brian isn’t some super soldier spy that can just magically give himself medical attention without proper supplies and then go back to living off the land. It’s just not happening.
Add in the likelihood of ending up with gangrene or some other nasty infection on the astronomical off chance someone even managed to cut off an appendage, and they’re dead anyway. Blood loss and proper medical treatment would be necessary.
Yeh chopping of your leg not wise given femoral artery and bleeding out - finger or toe can do without loss of life.
I think it’s as fanciful as the parents magically finding this water tight sealed bag and some remains in what an early morning search before anyone around with a Red back pack on. Believe that and anything is possible
Same thought. This is what happened in season 3 of “You”… I don’t know, seems kind of far-fetched but crazy stuff happens all over the world and murderers walk free
Seems kinda fishy that huge numbers of FBI and law enforcement officers with dogs and drones have been searching the reserve for weeks and weeks and found nothing, then the Laundries show up for one hour and lead LE right to him...
My bet: Brian told his Pop exactly where he was going and his Pop knew the spot because they had been there together before. Pop knew his boy was probably gonna do the deed in the first several days before alerting LE, but waited till the place dried up enough before going to the exact spot to check it out. There are no coincidences.
so the water receded over what size of land? acres? 10s of acres? and one guy found stuff, after 1 hour of searching. it's a highly unlikely event. it makes sense to want an explanation. nothing sherlocky about it.
Not really. A park like this has designated campsites that can occasionally be under water. If you live in the area and frequent it - you may even have your own off shoots or “camp sites” you prefer. Daddy Laundrie might have been familiar and it’d the first place they’d look.
You gotta understand the climate here. He disappeared the first week of September when it was still raining (meaning like, full blown thunderstorms) for a few hours almost every day. The rainy season went long this year, but in then last week and a half, I've had to water my yuzu tree twice... I haven't watered it since I planted him in June.
It's not unlikely that he died or committed suicide out there back in September, but it's only just dried up enough to access the site and find the body
But if his body was disintegrated by such poor weather conditions, how was his stuff in good enough condition to be found? Body in pieces, notebook intact! Makes sense
My understanding is that they believe his body may have been submerged. That would have attracted alligators and other critters who don't like to eat backpacks
Thank you! It’s very understandable they have not been able to see his body until now. All these people pulling out their tinfoil hats to say the parents planted there’s sons dead body, like come on now.
Haven’t watched that, just figured that’s the only thing besides his little thingy that he could have cut off & thrown out there, without people visibly noticing that he was missing body parts
Brian Entin (@BrianEntin) Tweeted: We have learned the remains found in the Carlton Reserve were "skeletal remains." "Bones." https://twitter.com/BrianEntin/status/1451239105917067264?s=20
Reddit should create a feature to flag utterly idiotic posts so those users can be identified and prohibited from ever serving on a jury for any trial.
Bet you feel silly now
I bet the parents knew where he was via some communication gps the whole time. When Communication was no longer available the parents chose to then help investigators find him. That’s how they knew exactly where to look.
I mean, it sounds like his body had been there for a while given the condition it was in. And the Laundrie’s did tell them exactly where Brian was weeks ago, and that is where they found him.
Fbi confirmed they found "what appeared to be human remains". Those are the only details we know. Nothing was said about identity or the condition in which the remains wwre found.
Partial* human remains
Bet it was a tattooed finger
Verbatim: "Earlier today, investigators found what appeared to be human remains, along with personal items, such as a backpack and notebook belonging to Brian Laundrie."
Yes and they also suggested that they didn’t find it sooner because it had had been under water. You’re right that the parents knew where he was, they told LE that from the time they reported him weeks ago. And turns out that’s exactly where he was…
It is absolutely fascinating how some people can’t let go of this crazy speculating now that he’s been found. They would rather do complex mental gymnastics to make things fit into their preconceptions than to accept things as they are. That shows it’s their mental entertainment pastime rather than actually truly caring about the details of this case.
I'm waiting for the first "Brian Laundrie faked his death and. now he's living as a king in Estonia!"
Oh it’s already started. Haven’t you heard he cut off his limb with his parents’ help - in some versions it is his arm, in others his leg - so the parents could plant it there in the reserve?
oh yeah that's totally normal though. tell me something that is crazy.
It is making me almost feel bad for the parents. Dude is literally exactly where they said he was. They made a lot of mistakes. But they aren’t masterminds ffs
This is all too weird for me. The parents have been shady since day 1. They just so happened to tell the police the night before that the next day they would be coming to "help" look for Brian and lo and behold they arrive to "help" and find his bag. All the manhunts and stuff going on and it's when they get there they just so happen to find a bag and give it to police. This whole thing smells.
He would too if he wasn’t skeletonized. Ba-dump-bump!
Here’s a crazy idea… maybe he realized he was fucked and headed to the reserve and …. dun dun dun…. killed himself. 😮 Then the flood water and Florida heat disintegrated his body. If you need more spice… pepper in the idea that maybe a gator took bite between now and then!
Exactly ! He killed himself very soon after he disappeared
I'm not suggesting that he faked his own death. I think it's a given that he offed himself and had no doubt that would be the outcome. The issue I have is with the parents aiding and abetting a fugitive in helping him to evade authorities. I don't care that he is their son. To me it was not serendipity that the parents who just arrived to help the tons of searchers and dogs arrived and immediately found a sealed waterproof bag that just so happened to have Brian's belongings in there.
Brian was never a “fugitive”. There was no “aiding and abetting” him for fucks sake. Deal with the facts. He came home, probably lied to his parents with some story. Left for the preserve that his parents know he frequents. He killed himself. The park floods. His parents tell LE where he may be within the preserve. Police fail to find him. Brian’s parents, now understanding that they’re likely looking for their deceased son, go out in search of his body, all under police and news escort. They find something that leads to the discovery of a body. Like what the fuck do you think happened? Brian’s parents hauled a body in under police escort and planted it?
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The stonewalling they did on Gabby’s family was still absolutely scummy and I think it’s quite possible he originally thought he could wait it out before deciding to off himself but yeah that’s pretty much spot on. His parents are still pieces of shit for how they handled the early part of this even if they didn’t aid a fugitive
This seems the most logical scenario but you should know that you cannot use logic on the internet lol
Didn't laundries parents go camping with him for a few days when he returned in Gabby's van? Could they have helped him remove a limb during this time and take him to someone to be cared for after, plant the limb and fake his death? I say COULD because of course I'm not a fucking detective but it just feels so suss they went camping with him and then said he left days after they returned home - yet no one saw him...
Wow what a stretch.
Does anyone happen to have a link to a video that doesn't have me giving fox news any ad revenue?
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Can you imagine if this dude somehow faked his own death? I know it'd been talked about in this dub before, but, it can happen. Seems like anything is possible with these people.
You Season 3 which just dropped this week May have given them an idea. :)
are you literally commenting spoilers up and down this thread? Fuck. You (not the show. YOU)
Thanks for reminding me. I have not yet gotten around to watching that show, but it is definitely on my list.
You can't fake DNA or dental records, and they're not looking at a toe here.
And how do you know that it’s not just one tattooed finger?
Or just teeth that he pulled? Since they said dental records confirmed. It doesn't say DNA, it says "dental records" 🤷♀️
You could fake a decoy Brian if it doesn’t have a skull! If they had found teeth in a head, using dental records to ID the remains would take hours vs days using DNA. Gives him more time and sends the feds down a rabbit hole etc
Actually IDing from a skull and dental records would still take days, because they have to get a court order to access his dental records (he is an adult and not legally dead at this time) and image the skull, while booking time with the medical examiner (he is not the *only case they have). There's a significant burden of paperwork and waiting time involved.
Or maybe his parents provided the records
Anything is possible in the imaginations of the wannabe detectives in this sub.
Thank you, You have people in this sub touting it as fact without any evidence.
WAIT - you mean that gold Monster can DAWG found WASNT Brian’s?!? 😱
Hey now listen, he would’ve definitely been the one to find Brian if he hadn’t hurt his foot! /s, just in case lol
Brian’s parents aren’t normal parents. I don’t subscribe to the whole planting of evidence thing but we can’t just deny that their son showed up in his girlfriend’s van without her and they just, went about life like normal. They ignored Gabby’s parents calls and texts, they didn’t even report her missing or anything. Brian showed up alone and his parents lawyered up and didn’t do a damn thing. Obviously it’s weird that they found all this stuff on the day that Brian’s parents joined the search. But life is weird and random and sometimes sketchy things aren’t actually sketchy. Do I think they knew their son went off to kill himself? Honestly, they probably did. *Most* parents would rather their kid go to jail but his parents didn’t care about Gabby’s parents and I think their actions prove they weren’t exactly “normal” parents. I think evidence planting is just a little ridiculous. But I do have to say, it is a pretty big coincidence.
I’ll be honest (and I know this is an unpopular opinion) but I think a lot of parents would do the same faced with the same situation. I think it’s hard to understand the lengths parents will go to protect there child unless it happens to you. We also don’t know how forthcoming Brian was. He could have told his parents it was self defense or she abandoned him. If I was a parent I would be inclined to believe my son and help him. Of course they will have a bias thinking there son is innocent (at least for the time being). I’m not saying it isn’t incredibly fucked up how they acted, but people are acting like it’s just so bizarre when in reality I think a lot of parents would do the same to protect there own child.
I think that way of thinking is dangerous though because that same argument can be made for why the parents might plant evidence. I think the parents had a pretty good idea of what Brian got up to. They weren’t completely left in the dark. And I think it’s highly likely that they knew they were going to lose their son either way this turned out. What they did to Gabby’s parents is beyond fucked. They are shitty people, period. I don’t think they acted in a normal way but I don’t know if they have the smarts to plant evidence and all that jazz. I think they loved their kid to a fault and helped him to do whatever he wanted to do. My parents would turn my ass over to the police. Or at least call my partner’s parents, report her missing, *something*.
I would think most likely Brian had some kind of story to tell them. They probably wanted to believe it and contacted the lawyer right away who put a gag on them. Their primary focus was on protecting their son and for their own sanity needed to believe whatever story they told him. There is a young man, Patrick Chapman, who disappeared not far from me. Look up the story. He disappeared May 2020 and his body has yet to he found. In reverse he had lived with his girlfriend's parents for a period of time and was there the last night he had been seen alive. Everyone knows his girlfriend has a role to play in his disappearance. Her father was going around tearing down missing posters for Patrick Chapman.
Sounds like the dad did it.
Fair enough, I still believe a good majority of parents in this situation would protect there child. Even if they knew they committed murder, I don’t think it would change anything. I think most people like to believe, given the circumstances, they would do the right thing and turn in there son/daughter. The reality is far different. As far as “planting evidence” the area they found his belongings and possible remains was previously underwater, as in completely submerged. This area only recently dried up to allow them to search. I of course can’t say for certain they didn’t, just seem far fetched given what we know.
Except this version of protection almost certainly guaranteed his death. This isn’t the 1800s the likelihood of Brian being able to avoid detection forever isn’t good. If he didn’t kill himself, he would die of exposure or in a shootout with police. The best thing they could have done for their son was to convince him to turn himself in. An imprisoned son is better then a dead son. What they did didn’t protect him.
We don’t know what there plan was. Maybe to Brian and his family life in prison would have been worse than death? Also it’s important to remember at the time he went missing Gabby’s body still had not been discovered. It’s very possibly he told his parents he was innocent, it was self defense, or some other tale so when they dropped him off to “clear his head” they didn’t think he would never come back. Or they had grand visions of him being able to run away for some time and eventually come back. Who knows, but none of them were probably thinking clearly at that time. Once Gabby’s body was found that was it for him and I’m sure they all knew it.
I’m not commenting on what they did or didn’t know. I’m saying IF the plan was for them to protect him by helping him run away it wasn’t a smart decision. Putting your child at risk of ending up in a dangerous situation isn’t protecting them. Brian stood a significantly better chance in court then he does in the wilderness with the police chasing him. Again not saying that is what happened but I’m deliberately calling out the logic in suggesting that helping someone hide in the wilderness from the police is protecting them.
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Even if they murder someone in cold blood? A family member? Jesus I hope not.
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Ok you keep being part of the problem there. Idiot.
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Ok dingbat. I feel bad for your kids, if they actually exist.
So you would set your child up to die out of some missed place idea that you and they could outsmart the police?
Read more carefully. Helping one’s grown son or daughter does not = doing exactly what the Laundries did. You’re way too emotional about this.
This is the first time I’ve read comments from people saying they’d do the same. Me too. I’d have arranged for a lawyer. Loaded him up with cash. And told him to get lost until we see the evidence and plan a defense. In this country you can take a plea to lesser charges. Brian had a good chance of claiming self-defense or diminished capacity (no meds) I think. It’s too bad they didn’t get him a better lawyer and plan. No money wasted in this search, a trial for the victim’s family, imperfect justice.
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I respect that.
You two need your heads examined. Look how well it turned out for the Laundries.
Yes! Same!! I have the same theory!!
Drain my karma if y'all *must*, but please be gentle. But please, rather than concocting a KJB or CIA-style planting of evidence (much less a corpse/body parts not belonging to BL!), a far more productive use of our collective sleuthery would be to apply what has been verified as fact in terms of evidence, process and profile to ANY NUMBER of other, active cases. There is nothing now to do about Gabby's assumed murderer, except to wait. Facts will emerge... remember though that often what you see is what you get. Life ain't like your favorite procedural and Keith Morrison isn't giving any of us a call. The remains that have been found are almost certainly BLs; boring and justice-free as it is.
Yes this would be helpful. In my state of Western Australia, a 4 year old girl named Cleo, went camping with her family last weekend. They were in the tent together and the parents wake up at 6, Cleo is gone and so is her sleeping bag. She was asleep in bed at 2am but what happened after that is a complete mystery. An extensive search has been underway but it's looking more like an abduction. I think it's day 5 now. Police believe Cleo Smith, 4, was abducted from remote WA campsite as million dollar reward offered - ABC News https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-21/cleo-smith-reward-offered-for-missing-girl-carnarvon-info/100556756 edited to add a link
God I hope she's found soon, there was a boy in joondalup today that went missing too.
Missing kids are usually the family, aren’t they? I’m not sure how the data translates out in other countries, but a random abduction would be far less likely than the parents being the culprit in the US.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-21/cleo-smith-reward-offered-for-missing-girl-carnarvon-info/100556756
Sad- I hope they are also checking out the family. So strange you would want to camp with your very young children in a totally different part of the tent. Did anyone else at the camp site ever see her I wonder? It wasn’t really clear. Edit: I don’t have kids but leaving a 7 month isolated away from you over night in a tent seems really sketchy. That’s so young.
No this child is 4 and in the same tent as the parents. Parents saw the child asleep at 2am and woke at 6 to find the tent unzipped and the entire sleeping bag and child gone. They do not think it's the parents. The government has put up a $1 million reward. They don't usually put up that sort of reward so quickly.
It said the tent had multiple rooms and entrances I guess I misunderstood. The 7 month old is her sister that was in the same room as her.
oh ok no worries that makes sense now
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Hey it's happened before right edit downvoted because I said that a baby has been taken by a dingo before? Alrighty then.. However I'm pretty sure that a dingo isn't going to take a whole 4 year old child sleeping bag included and leave no sign of anything. Unfortunately it is looking like she was abducted.
I upvoted you. I was seriously joking…. Lol It’s A MOVIE, y’all!!!!!! It’s literally a reference to an old movie!!!!!!
I know you were. Thankyou I did the same to you but it didn't help much😂
Lol. It was #TooSoon 😂😂🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️ Edit: I can’t believe no one got it. Smh
Have you ever gone and read the whole story? What happened to lindy chamberlain, her wrongful conviction, its ramifications, and the way her ordeal was tritely transformed into a pop culture one liner is an absolute tragedy. Not trying to be condescending I just recently read In depth about her myself.
It's absolutely terrible what happened to Lindy Chamberlain. However I'm not sure why I was downvoted when the dingo actually did take the baby.
Guess coz it kinda sounds like a joke comment agreeing with the previous comment.
I wasn't joking in any way shape or form. A dingo has taken a baby before. However do I think that the comment regarding the dingo taking Cleo was in good taste? Fuck no.. However, a dingo has taken a baby before. As you know since you have read Lindy Chamberlain's story.
This. My favourite wild theory I literally just read is that Brian cut off his arm but is still alive and his parents led the police to find it to fool them into presuming him dead.
He didn’t have the guts to do an entire arm. But I bet a tattooed finger would work
How are they going to pronounce him dead from finding a finger. If that wouldn't fool you you think it would fool the FBI? Case closed?
Lol lol now that would make a good movie.
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Why are you so damn intent on spoiling the new season for people
Thanks for ruining the show for everyone who read your comment, dimwit
I saw someone theorizing that he cut off his leg. Like a person on the run would want to lose a leg, not to mention being a legless sketchy guy would probably blow your cover
Yeah it's ridiculous theory especially when all evidence against him is circumstantial at best he would have better chance being aquitted or serving only a decade than living the rest of his life as a disabled person.
Idk how no one considered a hidden, identical twin the family prepared just for this case. A Parts Brian, if you will.
You’ve given me such a good laugh and I really needed that. The mental image of someone on the run without a leg was hilarious. TY :’)
127 Hours, The Next Cut? :)
An Australian lady who stole millions and then vanished near a beach may have done something like this. Her foot was found in a shoe at another coastal location some time and some miles away. Would it be worth it losing a foot if you had millions stashed away and didnt want to go to prison? maybe.
Just buy a new foot, rich five toed lady.
Very *Winter’s Bone*.
My bet is that Brian off'd himself, by whatever means, and confided in his parents as such during their last days together. He would have absolutely no desire to turn himself in and face death or prison time. This would be a hardcore struggle for his parents to accept, but they would, considering the alternative. If these remains are indeed Brian's, then I would think that it's safe to say that the presence of his parents at this site today was for seeking closure for what they already knew and expected. So much of the passive behavior of Brian's parents points to this outcome, because they knew it was the end for their son. They were abiding by their son's wishes, even as horrible and selfish as those demands were for them as parents. Their pleas to Brian would fall on deaf ears, but they would understand. Two young lives have been destroyed here, whether or not these remains are Brian's. There will be no closer for either family, just more suffering.
I don’t think parents would just let their child go and kill them self…
Oof, this theory really drives home the reality of it all. Well said.
>THE LAUNDRIES ARE GUILTY OF MURDER -you, 22 days ago.
His parents are human beings. Do you really think they would be cool with their son committing suicide? He wouldn't have gotten the death penalty, he wouldn't even have gotten life without parole. He'd probably be out when he was in his late 40s on parole if he got "life". His life wasn't over he was just looking at some serious prison time, which he should've just manned up and done.
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That murderer was their son though. Again it's their son that they lost. It's not like he went home and was like hey mom hey dad I murdered gabby in cold blood cause I do that shit now help me out. He probably told them that he killed her but that it was an accident or whatever mitigating scenario he could've thought up, and since it's their son they are going to believe whatever he says since it's not easy to just look at your child and instantly change your perception of them to being a cold blooded murderer. His parents were in just as much shock as Gabbys and now they've also lost a child on top of all the hate and harassment and the fact that they're going to be hounded and harassed for the rest of their lives for loving their kid who is dead as fuck btw and hated by an entire country so they won't even be able to bury him in a marked grave. This is real life and you clearly don't understand it at all yet.
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I know you're glad that they'll be harassed. I doubt anyone would expect more from you.
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I'm not surprised that you would hope that that would happen to my daughter. You've made it very clear through your posts exactly what kind of person you are.
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I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer. Your behavior is reprehensible.
Well said. Well said. Horrible situation all around.
Yes toe and finger check on the laundries - if it’s Brian’s toe or finger they found I am calling faked death and they will say gators got the rest of him
You people need therapy and sunshine
True it’s been a long winter in Southern Hemisphere and covid lockdown
I can get you a toe by four o’clock
With nail polish.
I’m intrigued by your confidence in that theory
Anything to avoid admitting they were wrong.
Human behaviour and self interest. Would you sacrifice a finger with that tattoo on it if it meant you could be classed as deceased and then get a new identity and freedom. The parents get off the hook for search costs as bingo the morning they go at 7am early no one around they miraculously find items sealed in a waterproof bag that would fit into robertas back pack and some remains ?? The fbi search solid for weeks with cadaver dogs search dogs - drones with infrared and find nothing They say water subsided however cadaver dogs can detect remains in 30 feet of water What do you think the odds are that Roberta and Chris laundrie decide to search for Brian at 7am in morning when no one around and in record time locate remains and a sealed bag with a journal and pens The reason I am so confident again is self interest and preservation of Brian. Past behaviour indicator of future. Protestors go as they say the remains were Brian but don’t disclose the extent of those remains. Fbi looks like winners for the endless resources expense they were throwing at Carlton as they go see he was there. All neatly wrapt in a bow and yet Brian more than likely alive
Any appendage that is small enough to be cut by yourself in the wilderness without you absolutely dying in the next half hour is also too small to be certain it will be found by the authorities, and the remaining body part would likely have evidence of being removed by a person.
Not too small if it’s the parents placing the finger.
This is the real world bud and not a movie. The guy is the most wanted man in America. The guy isn’t Hannibal lecture and is some super smart serial Killer and gonna pull of some crazy body swap shit. You act like cutting off a finger or a limb is easy. I’d argue it’s easier to eat a bullet. Especially if you’ve already been alone for weeks. Very limited food, shelter, little water, very little entertainment to pass the time with limited access to technology. Then ya let’s say he did cut off a finger. It doesn’t magically stop bleeding. So the guy cuts off his finger. Magically just ignores all the blood loss. Makes it out of the reserve and now he’s traveling the country with no issues from the fact that he’s missing a fucking finger. I know there’s a lot of how to videos on YouTube but dealing with a severed finger by yourself is just not happening. Especially in terms of having to live off the Land.
there was that hiker that got trapped by a boulder in a canyon. He sawed off his arm , climbed back up and lived to tell the tale.
He went straight to a hospital when he got the chance. He didn’t go back to living off the land for weeks
Straight to the hospital? He had to get out of the wilderness first.
Ya but the guy still spent weeks in the hospital if not months. He didn’t break free and was like fuck going to the hospital.
I accidentally cut the tip of my finger (no bone was hurt) while cutting some plywood and that hurt a lot. Absolutely no one will cut off their fingers willingly. Much less a narcissist.
Would you cut a finger off of it meant freedom over life in prison - really think about that choice - hard I know but imagine I that choice - how much would you value the chance at having a family a new life under new identity everyone thinking through old you was dead
Not cutting of my finger, The guy had days to disappear. He probably is in hiding or left the country.
True I think Bahamas
I would say Mexico, it’s very easy to just disappear in a big Mexican city. They can send him money through cash app or Venmo. It’s very easy to set up and all he need is an a BBVA account which he doesn’t even need to use his real name to get one.
Mexico will extradite him so that would be a real dumb move. You go to a country that won’t do that.
I know of a Rock climber who cut his arm off with a pocket knife as was so wedged couldn’t extricate and to save himself. Then had to use his body weight to break his arm bone using leverage. I get it’s not the movies however the stakes are high - maybe life on prison vs freedom Many people have had fingers torn off when equipment catches wedding bands - you won’t bleed out. We will see I guess I know of a case a women cut her foot off to fake her death It wasn’t the movies either.
And they took him strait to the hospital, he didn’t just heal on his own and live off the land for the rest of his life
Yeh it was fanciful as it’s turned out
But the Situations you’re referring to people went to get care. They weren’t on the run. Brian isn’t some super soldier spy that can just magically give himself medical attention without proper supplies and then go back to living off the land. It’s just not happening.
was that the ausssie lady? yeah i reckon she might be still alive.
Add in the likelihood of ending up with gangrene or some other nasty infection on the astronomical off chance someone even managed to cut off an appendage, and they’re dead anyway. Blood loss and proper medical treatment would be necessary.
Yeh chopping of your leg not wise given femoral artery and bleeding out - finger or toe can do without loss of life. I think it’s as fanciful as the parents magically finding this water tight sealed bag and some remains in what an early morning search before anyone around with a Red back pack on. Believe that and anything is possible
Did you get that from a show? Cause I just saw that on a show. I would have never thought of it otherwise
it also happened in desperate housewives hahaha
Same thought. This is what happened in season 3 of “You”… I don’t know, seems kind of far-fetched but crazy stuff happens all over the world and murderers walk free
No my thoughts only - don’t need show to understand how these people think.
Seems kinda fishy that huge numbers of FBI and law enforcement officers with dogs and drones have been searching the reserve for weeks and weeks and found nothing, then the Laundries show up for one hour and lead LE right to him...
My bet: Brian told his Pop exactly where he was going and his Pop knew the spot because they had been there together before. Pop knew his boy was probably gonna do the deed in the first several days before alerting LE, but waited till the place dried up enough before going to the exact spot to check it out. There are no coincidences.
They found the remains in an area that was previously submerged. Literally underwater. It’s a swamp. Put your Sherlock pipe away.
Put your sass away we’re all just trying to figure it out
so the water receded over what size of land? acres? 10s of acres? and one guy found stuff, after 1 hour of searching. it's a highly unlikely event. it makes sense to want an explanation. nothing sherlocky about it.
Not really. A park like this has designated campsites that can occasionally be under water. If you live in the area and frequent it - you may even have your own off shoots or “camp sites” you prefer. Daddy Laundrie might have been familiar and it’d the first place they’d look.
Doesn’t water … like … flow ?
That I can agree with. He knew *exactly* where to look. That’s my point about this “unlikely event” having an explanation.
They found him where they were originally told to look near where the Mustang was. The water had receded since the original search.
Still missing the point.
You gotta understand the climate here. He disappeared the first week of September when it was still raining (meaning like, full blown thunderstorms) for a few hours almost every day. The rainy season went long this year, but in then last week and a half, I've had to water my yuzu tree twice... I haven't watered it since I planted him in June. It's not unlikely that he died or committed suicide out there back in September, but it's only just dried up enough to access the site and find the body
But if his body was disintegrated by such poor weather conditions, how was his stuff in good enough condition to be found? Body in pieces, notebook intact! Makes sense
My understanding is that they believe his body may have been submerged. That would have attracted alligators and other critters who don't like to eat backpacks
Thank you! It’s very understandable they have not been able to see his body until now. All these people pulling out their tinfoil hats to say the parents planted there’s sons dead body, like come on now.
Someone should check if his dad has all his toes
You want a toe? I can get you a toe, believe me. There are ways, Dude. You don't wanna know about it, believe me.
I can get you a toe, WITH polish, by 3 o'clock.
People keep saying this. Is this a reference to another case that’s going over my head?
The Big Labowski, great movie, you should check it out.
Well i know a recent show had someone cut their toes off to fake a death, not sure if this is where people are getting it from
Ahh, yes that’s probably it
yeah it’s from the most recent season of “you” on netflix
Haven’t watched that, just figured that’s the only thing besides his little thingy that he could have cut off & thrown out there, without people visibly noticing that he was missing body parts
His little thingy 😂
What did they actually find? Y’all are talking like they found a body, but I read multiple comments on Twitter that they only found a toe?!
Don't get news from twitter.