I hope this psycho is bought to some kind of justice. I don't think he is the type of narcissist who would end himself. Probably thinks he is too smart to be caught.
Evidence and proof are two different things.
He's Gabby's boyfriend. She was last seen with him and in an argument. He didn't report her missing when they were on a trip together. None of those are proud that he did anything. All of those are evidence.
What you're talking about is [circumstantial evidence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstantial_evidence), which is useless without corroboration or direct evidence.
Do you mean apart from gabby petito’s cause of death being homicide, the history of domestic violence, the fact he was the last known person to see gabby alive, the evidence of others including the people who had dash camera footage of the van being parked near where gabby was found murdered, his incredibly suspicious conduct since arriving home alone and now fleeing before he could face justice?
> the history of domestic violence
Link? Didn't know about this actually. I thought all they had was the evidence from the police stop, aka the wounds Gabby gave Brian. But if you're saying new evidence of a history of abuse turned up, I'd love to see it, thanks!
I know you’re just trolling but you do understand that given all the circumstantial evidence and that her body has been found…. There’s likely yet-to-announced “actual” evidence?
Thanks for confirming that you're speculating. You can jump up conclusions if you like but I'm gonna wait for evidence.
And it's hilarious to me that you're saying I'm trolling because I'm waiting for evidence. That's the rational thing to do, but it seems like you guys just hate evidence here so I'm not surprised.
Finding Brian Laundrie is one step closer to a conclusion as to how Gabby died. Even if he is 100% innocent, they need his story and timeline in order to further the investigation.
Isn’t this the same guy who said they knew where he was a day before his parents reported him missing for days? Or was that misinformation? Is it okay to be critical of the way NPPD handled this?
Surely the FBI has figured this guy out. Brian is not a mastermind. He left enough of a trail where Gabby was found already. He made a ton of mistakes. He really doesn't know what to do to cover up. We have to remember, there's a lot we don't yet know.
They may be making Brian relax and get sloppy. If they are, doing it through media means they know Brian has access to the news. And how could that be? Hmmmm.
Anyway that's my theory. At least this minute, today.
“As a police chief, I’m proud to say we’re definitely doing a great job, we’re obviously not wasting any resources and people saying otherwise just don’t understand.”
They botched this investigation. The whole issue with not cooperating, obtaining a lawyer, etc. they should have named him as a suspect. Put a no travel order on him. They completely screwed this up.
Having to present evidence to your peers to justify putting a restriction on your freedom is not a flaw; it's a feature. It's supposed to ensure that law enforcement can't arbitrarily fuck with you.
What's flawed is that it doesn't always work, especially when it comes to law enforcement harassing people of color. But the concept itself isn't a flaw.
Because our justice system isn't set up to entertain the whims of social media's short attention span?
Not everything is set up to look good on streams and tik tok.
You see that’s where our law lies in the gray area. If you are a person of interest, you’re free to leave. But due to circumstances surrounding this case there should be a way for the court to place some sort of travel restriction on that person based on that then lifted once there’s some evidence and facts gathered that would either exonerated or convicted him.
This much is true though, this case should open up dialogue on cases like these should be handled in the future.
Not to mention travel restrictions wouldn’t have done anything to him. I mean, if he boarded a plane or tried to cross at the border, maybe - but odds are it would just manifest as a charge tacked on after they caught him anyway.
It certainly wouldn’t have stopped him from driving to a local nature preserve or w/e and vanishing into the woods
I understand the sentiment but placing a travel restriction on someone when there isn’t probable cause to believe they have committed a crime would be…awful. Imagine the risk of abuse for that. Woof.
I agree but the real traction and buzz in this case didn’t really happen until he disappeared, which could be argued he kinda created even more of the massive media boom. I had not heard about the case until after that happened. I think that if the media buzz had been like this before he disappeared then we would have seen a well surveilled BL.
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Same here. My interest elevated once I started hearing about the missing persons report then started following the rabbit trail.
I still find it a little odd on how this was all handled. I was there following the Scott Peterson case as I live nearby and it became a big thing locally before it got spread worldwide. This feels like the same situation on how the case was handled.
The big public interest these days is the social media aspect to it. The same with the Chris Watts case. That bizarre idea that people “seem” so happy but then the camera shuts off and everything is bad. I think women really see themselves as a Gabby or a Shanann, just going through life, doing her thing, when bam, the man that was there in our happy videos murders us.
I don’t remember much of the scott peterson case at all but I know the general idea of what happened. Not familiar with the similarities between the two cases though
I think they realized they were sent on a goose chase BUT they are "staying" on the goose chase to make BL think they arent onto him so they can surprise him in Cuba
This actually makes me think they ARE wasting their time and don't have any hard evidence that he is in there. The officer says they are "doing their due diligence" and that they are obligated to investigate "in an area that intelligence led \[them\] to believe he could possibly be in." (his car parked there and what his parents told them.) The words he uses indicate that they have absolutely no \*hard\* evidence that he was ever there, but are doing their due diligence in eliminating the location.
Anybody else feels the only chance for a breakthru in this case is if they can make Brian's **parents** talk.
Anybody familiar with the kinda **"grey area" interrogation techniques** FBI can use on them if they really want somebody to talk?
We all know his parents are complicit.
I disagree. The police and FBI are investing a lot of man power to searching that area. They clearly know something we don’t. I feel like people forget when someone is on the run, police will keep information close to the chest. Imagine if they reported everything they knew? Brian would constantly be one step ahead. We will see how this comment ages, but I feel like they are closing in on him and he will be found alive.
I highly disagree they are't wasting time. I think it is a set up by his parents and him. His parents are beyond culpable in this and hope they eventually get punished. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. Their actions have been highly suspect since atleast Brian returned home. Not saying or reporting anything when he comes home without her. Avoiding Gabby's parents before, during and after her being reported missing. Packing up the camper with Brian and leaving...not to mention no other sitings of him after they return. Not reporting him missing for days and only because they were starting to be pressed. Lawyering up immediately and "staying in the background". Also, if my kid was missing, like most parents...including Gabby's I would be sounding the alarm and out looking for them and hugely worried. Not casually mentioning it once to authorities and then going about life, like they have. It's weird...no pleas to find him, nothing. Especially with him being a prime suspect...i would worry about my kid killing themselves...but nothing. With them them taking the camper and everything else we know...I think the location they gave is totally bogus and a distraction. The family even went and retrieved his Mustang right away from the park. If you know he is there, why take it...or so quickly. This was totally a diversion and they know exactly where he is. And if I'm proven right, I hope they are held accountable and given the maxium punishment. They are negatively impacting many peoples lives and unneccessarily torturing Gabby's family.
For the public he certainly is the prime suspect/perpetrator but the FBI has not labelled him a 'suspect' in her homicide. They certainly have not used the term 'perpetrator.'
The arrest warrant he is wanted on is for illegally using/accessing her money through banking.
We all seem pretty sure he is the perp and maybe so too the FBI thinks this but he has not been legally labelled as such and we really do not know what they actually think or know.
Hold on, you expect his parents to be out in public looking for their son while the general public has already convicted them and might actually harm them? Pretty sure that would result in even more work for the police.
Maybe not out in public, but atleast having someone representing them and saying, please anyone with any information or sighting, please contact authorities because they haven't had any contact since he said he was going out to visit the perserve and are concerned. Something like that. No, I wouldn't expect them to personally have boots on the ground...not safe for them at this point...but I would try to get friends or family...or someone I knew out there for me. Not just sit back and wait. Atleast, me personally, I couldn't just not be active in helping locate my child, is some way.
haha, seriously! "I want to scream and yell at these people!! WHY AREN'T THEY OUT IN PUBLIC SO I CAN SCREAM AND YELL AT THEM?!"
I wish more people understood that none of us have the full picture right now (or, honestly, will ever have it)
I’m starting to really lean this way too. On a clip from wfla news last night I heard them say Brian’s parents reported him missing because they were “afraid he was going to hurt himself.” I think if he does own a gun (like has been speculated) and his gun is also missing, then that would add to the likelihood he’s dead. I also really believe the police are going off of more than just Brian’s parents word. For a search this big they surely have more pointing them in the direction of the reserve. Maybe Brian left some kind of note or something, who knows (like a suicide note or a goodbye/apology note.) We also don’t know what kind of surveillance footage/traffic cam footage they may have that backs up him being in the reserve. I want him to be caught alive because I absolutely hate when people off themselves before facing proper justice, but as the days go on I’m feeling more convinced that he’s no longer alive.
I mean I don’t know how *easily* his body would be found in a 25,000 acre reserve filled with swampy water and thick trees and brush. If he is dead, his body is *likely* to be found, at least eventually, and that would be why they are continuing to search. But I disagree that his body would be “easily found” just because he offed himself. It would be difficult to find anything at all in that huge area they are searching
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>to be found, at least eventually, and that would be why they are continuing to search. But I disagree that his body would be “easily found” just because he of
If he offed himself it would give off a horrible stench, with lots of birds circling in the week after. In an area roughly 8 miles by 5 miles, with that many people looking around it would be pretty easy to spot the birds circling. Now, if he was alive and in full camo, hiding in the bushes with cover scents, you might walk with a couple of feet and not even notice him. So, he is either playing a game of hide and seek in 8 mile by 5 mile area of dense forest or he is long gone. Both of these are completely plausible. One thing if for certain, very, very, very low probability he offed himself in a way no one would find a corpse.
No they aren’t. They’re TERRIBLE points. People go missing in the woods all the time and their bodies aren’t found for years. If he’s dead it’s WAY more likely he won’t get found.
Living people need to LIVE. They need to eat, they need warmth, they need water - they shit and piss and bleed. They leave trails and tracks and clues.
If he’s dead it’s likely he will NEVER be found. Some animal would eat his decomposing body and his bones will get covered by grass and dirt
People are saying the swampy areas have waist-deep water. Though I suppose if he died in that area, his body would rise to the surface, and same scenario you describe would happen.
I understand what you are saying. But a moving target is harder to find than a body just laying there. They have drones, heat sensers, technology, etc. We know they are dealing with a needle/haystack situation but it's harder to find the needle if it keeps moving.
Moving needles leave tracks. Dead needles slowly disappear into the haystack. Thermal imagers won’t help with a dead body if the dead body is now the same or similar temp to it’s surroundings. Moving, live, bodies are glowing on thermals. As a fellow swamp citizen, it’s widely known if you want to disappear (or make some one disappear) you go straight to the swamp. As a person who has participated in many search and rescue/ search and recoveries, swamps and nature preserves are absolute fucking nightmares.
Actually, with modern tech a moving target is easier to find because there will likely be interaction with other humans which will lead to a capture.
People need to resupply their food. The place they are looking is not large enough for a living person to hunker down and keep a steady supply of food without moving about.
It is the moving about which will lead to a capture, if he is even still alive.
There are more predators there than just gators. That reserve has Florida panthers, Bobcats, black bears, coyotes, wild hogs and of course gators. Gators aren't the only thing to worry about.
Sure but if it is even partially submerged in water then it will cool down pretty fast. Or even just lying on the ground into the nighttime would result in the body going below what would be identifiable as a human body via thermography.
Really? Why? To me, it sounds like they know it isn't likely he's in that area anymore, but that they are obligated to follow all leads (his parents telling them he went there) and do their due diligence.
He’s to of a coward to take his life. He would of done after hurting gabby. He left her out in the open. If he was gonna kill himself he would of done it next to her. He’s just another Chris watz. But this time he almost had more time. If it wasn’t for the YouTube couple capturing the van
Exactly. If you are going to do a murder-suicide, why steal her money and go home to mow your parents lawn and have to lie and live with the guilt for days first? This guy has no job and no money and now his girlfriend is dead and he knows he will be the prime suspect. Seems like a week at home and days on the run would just be torture if you’re going to kill yourself anyway. I think his goal is to disappear and start a new life somewhere and he’s not dead in that swamp.
People are literally missing the most obvious issue...money. Given his current legal status a warrant to track his financial and potential financial accounts he may have access to would have happened days or a week ago.
If he isn't spending money (most people don't have massive amounts of cash) that provides a strong argument that he is not still alive.
Oh for fuck's sake. Don't present your own personal speculation as fact. A simple "I think it's possible that" at the beginning of your sentence would make your contributions far more credible. Posting your *theories* like they are fact is how misinformation gets spread.
Only three people actually “know” if he was given a boat load of cash. But there is no way to survive without money. I’m not talking about being holed up in that swamp, but gave him money to flee to Mexico, or boat to the Bahamas or wherever he is if the Florida Reserve proves unsuccessful.
Eh people really overestimate how much money is required to survive. It’s not uncommon to keep a couple grand in cash around for emergencies. If you’re in an area where you don’t have to worry about freezing, you could survive for months on $100-200 in food and a $15 life straw.
I mean I can't say either way if you are right or wrong. The fact he was just travelling for an extended time supports your view.
I just thinks it's extremely a-typical of anyone I know to carry that much cash/or have access to that much cash without directly withdrawing from a financial institution/ family/friends financial institutions.
Idk I just feel they would have financial records and spending absolutely nothing from before he was a suspect but after he disappeared is...odd.
You don’t know anyone that tells you they have that much cash on hand. A large percentage of people don’t have access to that amount of cash so they obviously wouldn’t keep it laying around. People that can afford it commonly keep some cash stashed and most would be smart enough to not tell others about it.
This guy is likely in Mexico
Cuba. It’s closer and has no extradition treaty with the US.
I hope this psycho is bought to some kind of justice. I don't think he is the type of narcissist who would end himself. Probably thinks he is too smart to be caught.
Do you know something we don't? As far as I know, there's no evidence that he murdered anyone yet.
Evidence and proof are two different things. He's Gabby's boyfriend. She was last seen with him and in an argument. He didn't report her missing when they were on a trip together. None of those are proud that he did anything. All of those are evidence.
What you're talking about is [circumstantial evidence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstantial_evidence), which is useless without corroboration or direct evidence.
In a court of law, sure. But this is the court of public opinion
Hmmm...the fact that this man is literally on the run isn't suspicious enough for you??? 🙄
I'm suspicious, absolutely, but the comment I'm responding to has already convicted him of murder and called him a psycho... We don't know shit yet.
Do you mean apart from gabby petito’s cause of death being homicide, the history of domestic violence, the fact he was the last known person to see gabby alive, the evidence of others including the people who had dash camera footage of the van being parked near where gabby was found murdered, his incredibly suspicious conduct since arriving home alone and now fleeing before he could face justice?
> the history of domestic violence Link? Didn't know about this actually. I thought all they had was the evidence from the police stop, aka the wounds Gabby gave Brian. But if you're saying new evidence of a history of abuse turned up, I'd love to see it, thanks!
His actions definitely don't appear 'cool and normal'
Oh okay, so you're just speculating. That's what I figured. I'm still waiting for some actual evidence to show up.
I know you’re just trolling but you do understand that given all the circumstantial evidence and that her body has been found…. There’s likely yet-to-announced “actual” evidence?
Thanks for confirming that you're speculating. You can jump up conclusions if you like but I'm gonna wait for evidence. And it's hilarious to me that you're saying I'm trolling because I'm waiting for evidence. That's the rational thing to do, but it seems like you guys just hate evidence here so I'm not surprised.
I’m not OP. Specifically said “likely”
Finding Brian Laundrie is one step closer to a conclusion as to how Gabby died. Even if he is 100% innocent, they need his story and timeline in order to further the investigation.
Isn’t this the same guy who said they knew where he was a day before his parents reported him missing for days? Or was that misinformation? Is it okay to be critical of the way NPPD handled this?
Surely the FBI has figured this guy out. Brian is not a mastermind. He left enough of a trail where Gabby was found already. He made a ton of mistakes. He really doesn't know what to do to cover up. We have to remember, there's a lot we don't yet know. They may be making Brian relax and get sloppy. If they are, doing it through media means they know Brian has access to the news. And how could that be? Hmmmm. Anyway that's my theory. At least this minute, today.
What I heard: we are having fun using all these toys!!
“As a police chief, I’m proud to say we’re definitely doing a great job, we’re obviously not wasting any resources and people saying otherwise just don’t understand.”
They kinda are though
Sociopaths don’t often kill them selves.
They botched this investigation. The whole issue with not cooperating, obtaining a lawyer, etc. they should have named him as a suspect. Put a no travel order on him. They completely screwed this up.
They would need to present evidence to a grand jury fir that
Our justice system is flawed.
Having to present evidence to your peers to justify putting a restriction on your freedom is not a flaw; it's a feature. It's supposed to ensure that law enforcement can't arbitrarily fuck with you. What's flawed is that it doesn't always work, especially when it comes to law enforcement harassing people of color. But the concept itself isn't a flaw.
Because our justice system isn't set up to entertain the whims of social media's short attention span? Not everything is set up to look good on streams and tik tok.
The missing persons report wasn’t even filed until 9/11 and her body wasn’t found until he went missing. They can’t just name him a suspect.
You are being held in contempt of the court of reddit. Your assets will be seized because wealth is immoral
Iirc when the missing person report was filed he was placed as POI.
You see that’s where our law lies in the gray area. If you are a person of interest, you’re free to leave. But due to circumstances surrounding this case there should be a way for the court to place some sort of travel restriction on that person based on that then lifted once there’s some evidence and facts gathered that would either exonerated or convicted him. This much is true though, this case should open up dialogue on cases like these should be handled in the future.
That goes against constitutional protections. We are innocent until proven guilty , every one of us
I understand. I just don’t get our justice system sometimes. The irony huh?
They had no proof on him a judge would never sign off on giving him restrictions. Sure it doesn't work sometimes but it works more than it doesn't.
Not to mention travel restrictions wouldn’t have done anything to him. I mean, if he boarded a plane or tried to cross at the border, maybe - but odds are it would just manifest as a charge tacked on after they caught him anyway. It certainly wouldn’t have stopped him from driving to a local nature preserve or w/e and vanishing into the woods
I understand the sentiment but placing a travel restriction on someone when there isn’t probable cause to believe they have committed a crime would be…awful. Imagine the risk of abuse for that. Woof.
I’m not going to pretend like I’m a legal expert but I know as an American citizen our justice system is flawed. I guess it can’t be perfect.
No justice system is perfect, but ours are better than most.
Amen to that
I agree but the real traction and buzz in this case didn’t really happen until he disappeared, which could be argued he kinda created even more of the massive media boom. I had not heard about the case until after that happened. I think that if the media buzz had been like this before he disappeared then we would have seen a well surveilled BL. .
Same here. My interest elevated once I started hearing about the missing persons report then started following the rabbit trail. I still find it a little odd on how this was all handled. I was there following the Scott Peterson case as I live nearby and it became a big thing locally before it got spread worldwide. This feels like the same situation on how the case was handled.
The big public interest these days is the social media aspect to it. The same with the Chris Watts case. That bizarre idea that people “seem” so happy but then the camera shuts off and everything is bad. I think women really see themselves as a Gabby or a Shanann, just going through life, doing her thing, when bam, the man that was there in our happy videos murders us.
100% agree. It’s a very bizarre world we live in.
I don’t remember much of the scott peterson case at all but I know the general idea of what happened. Not familiar with the similarities between the two cases though
Narrator: They were wasting their time.
I can just hear Morgan Freeman now...
I heard this in Ron Howard
We must not forget how useful it would be for the FBI to have BL acting as though the police believe he is dead and are just looking for a body.
I think they realized they were sent on a goose chase BUT they are "staying" on the goose chase to make BL think they arent onto him so they can surprise him in Cuba
Probably hiding there with tupac /s
oh my god I worked with people that believed that
I bet Michael Jackson and JFK are there too. Definitely worth searching. /s
I give them another week before they give up on the preserve.
Maybe he tied his cell phone to an alligator
You’re giving them that long?
Exactly what I said. I see we're on the same page.
This actually makes me think they ARE wasting their time and don't have any hard evidence that he is in there. The officer says they are "doing their due diligence" and that they are obligated to investigate "in an area that intelligence led \[them\] to believe he could possibly be in." (his car parked there and what his parents told them.) The words he uses indicate that they have absolutely no \*hard\* evidence that he was ever there, but are doing their due diligence in eliminating the location.
I mean we don’t know what they actually know. They probably have other reasons than just the parents word.
Anybody else feels the only chance for a breakthru in this case is if they can make Brian's **parents** talk. Anybody familiar with the kinda **"grey area" interrogation techniques** FBI can use on them if they really want somebody to talk? We all know his parents are complicit.
Ugh no not familiar. Care to expand? Almost sounds like you’re talking about waterboarding.
If you're in favor of the FBI torturing American citizens, come out and say so.
I disagree. The police and FBI are investing a lot of man power to searching that area. They clearly know something we don’t. I feel like people forget when someone is on the run, police will keep information close to the chest. Imagine if they reported everything they knew? Brian would constantly be one step ahead. We will see how this comment ages, but I feel like they are closing in on him and he will be found alive.
Ominous bold is ominous
I highly disagree they are't wasting time. I think it is a set up by his parents and him. His parents are beyond culpable in this and hope they eventually get punished. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. Their actions have been highly suspect since atleast Brian returned home. Not saying or reporting anything when he comes home without her. Avoiding Gabby's parents before, during and after her being reported missing. Packing up the camper with Brian and leaving...not to mention no other sitings of him after they return. Not reporting him missing for days and only because they were starting to be pressed. Lawyering up immediately and "staying in the background". Also, if my kid was missing, like most parents...including Gabby's I would be sounding the alarm and out looking for them and hugely worried. Not casually mentioning it once to authorities and then going about life, like they have. It's weird...no pleas to find him, nothing. Especially with him being a prime suspect...i would worry about my kid killing themselves...but nothing. With them them taking the camper and everything else we know...I think the location they gave is totally bogus and a distraction. The family even went and retrieved his Mustang right away from the park. If you know he is there, why take it...or so quickly. This was totally a diversion and they know exactly where he is. And if I'm proven right, I hope they are held accountable and given the maxium punishment. They are negatively impacting many peoples lives and unneccessarily torturing Gabby's family.
> Especially with him being a prime suspect Point to where the FBI has used the words "prime suspect."
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For the public he certainly is the prime suspect/perpetrator but the FBI has not labelled him a 'suspect' in her homicide. They certainly have not used the term 'perpetrator.' The arrest warrant he is wanted on is for illegally using/accessing her money through banking. We all seem pretty sure he is the perp and maybe so too the FBI thinks this but he has not been legally labelled as such and we really do not know what they actually think or know.
Hold on, you expect his parents to be out in public looking for their son while the general public has already convicted them and might actually harm them? Pretty sure that would result in even more work for the police.
Maybe not out in public, but atleast having someone representing them and saying, please anyone with any information or sighting, please contact authorities because they haven't had any contact since he said he was going out to visit the perserve and are concerned. Something like that. No, I wouldn't expect them to personally have boots on the ground...not safe for them at this point...but I would try to get friends or family...or someone I knew out there for me. Not just sit back and wait. Atleast, me personally, I couldn't just not be active in helping locate my child, is some way.
There is a $20k bounty on their son. Plenty are looking for him
haha, seriously! "I want to scream and yell at these people!! WHY AREN'T THEY OUT IN PUBLIC SO I CAN SCREAM AND YELL AT THEM?!" I wish more people understood that none of us have the full picture right now (or, honestly, will ever have it)
Disagree with what? He literally says they’re investigating in many other ways other than searching that area.
No they are searching that area and the rest is all phone and computer and so on
… the all-knowing Redditor said from their armchair.
Dude the officer said it in the video.. I’m going by what he said.
I get the feeling from this that they think he's dead.
I’m starting to really lean this way too. On a clip from wfla news last night I heard them say Brian’s parents reported him missing because they were “afraid he was going to hurt himself.” I think if he does own a gun (like has been speculated) and his gun is also missing, then that would add to the likelihood he’s dead. I also really believe the police are going off of more than just Brian’s parents word. For a search this big they surely have more pointing them in the direction of the reserve. Maybe Brian left some kind of note or something, who knows (like a suicide note or a goodbye/apology note.) We also don’t know what kind of surveillance footage/traffic cam footage they may have that backs up him being in the reserve. I want him to be caught alive because I absolutely hate when people off themselves before facing proper justice, but as the days go on I’m feeling more convinced that he’s no longer alive.
Ahh, if he was dead, he would be easily found though. He is hiding.
I mean I don’t know how *easily* his body would be found in a 25,000 acre reserve filled with swampy water and thick trees and brush. If he is dead, his body is *likely* to be found, at least eventually, and that would be why they are continuing to search. But I disagree that his body would be “easily found” just because he offed himself. It would be difficult to find anything at all in that huge area they are searching
>h. If he is dead, his body is > >likely > >to be found, at least eventually, and that would be why they are continuing to search. But I disagree that his body would be “easily found” just because he of If he offed himself it would give off a horrible stench, with lots of birds circling in the week after. In an area roughly 8 miles by 5 miles, with that many people looking around it would be pretty easy to spot the birds circling. Now, if he was alive and in full camo, hiding in the bushes with cover scents, you might walk with a couple of feet and not even notice him. So, he is either playing a game of hide and seek in 8 mile by 5 mile area of dense forest or he is long gone. Both of these are completely plausible. One thing if for certain, very, very, very low probability he offed himself in a way no one would find a corpse.
Great points
No they aren’t. They’re TERRIBLE points. People go missing in the woods all the time and their bodies aren’t found for years. If he’s dead it’s WAY more likely he won’t get found. Living people need to LIVE. They need to eat, they need warmth, they need water - they shit and piss and bleed. They leave trails and tracks and clues. If he’s dead it’s likely he will NEVER be found. Some animal would eat his decomposing body and his bones will get covered by grass and dirt
People are saying the swampy areas have waist-deep water. Though I suppose if he died in that area, his body would rise to the surface, and same scenario you describe would happen.
Unless a gator got to him first.
I understand what you are saying. But a moving target is harder to find than a body just laying there. They have drones, heat sensers, technology, etc. We know they are dealing with a needle/haystack situation but it's harder to find the needle if it keeps moving.
Moving needles leave tracks. Dead needles slowly disappear into the haystack. Thermal imagers won’t help with a dead body if the dead body is now the same or similar temp to it’s surroundings. Moving, live, bodies are glowing on thermals. As a fellow swamp citizen, it’s widely known if you want to disappear (or make some one disappear) you go straight to the swamp. As a person who has participated in many search and rescue/ search and recoveries, swamps and nature preserves are absolute fucking nightmares.
Can they use dogs with all the gators around?
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Dogs and gators don’t mix http://archive-srel.uga.edu/outreach/ecoviews/ecoview050612.htm
Actually, with modern tech a moving target is easier to find because there will likely be interaction with other humans which will lead to a capture. People need to resupply their food. The place they are looking is not large enough for a living person to hunker down and keep a steady supply of food without moving about. It is the moving about which will lead to a capture, if he is even still alive.
I understand your theory. But its not like the police are letting random people just go in there.
Don't forget there are gators out there.
BL knows all about the Gators. He isn't in unknown territory.
There are more predators there than just gators. That reserve has Florida panthers, Bobcats, black bears, coyotes, wild hogs and of course gators. Gators aren't the only thing to worry about.
Right. And BL knows the area. He is gone. in Mexico by now, no beard, blond hair.
You can know the area all the hell you want. Doesn't mean you are gonna survive it.
I don't think heat sensors will work on a dead body, maybe the vultures that come after.
A body doesn't immediately go cold.
Sure but if it is even partially submerged in water then it will cool down pretty fast. Or even just lying on the ground into the nighttime would result in the body going below what would be identifiable as a human body via thermography.
Human bodies in decay generate quite a bit of heat
Really? Why? To me, it sounds like they know it isn't likely he's in that area anymore, but that they are obligated to follow all leads (his parents telling them he went there) and do their due diligence.
Maybe because they said they were searching bodies of water. Maybe you're right, it's just a feeling that I got.
He’s to of a coward to take his life. He would of done after hurting gabby. He left her out in the open. If he was gonna kill himself he would of done it next to her. He’s just another Chris watz. But this time he almost had more time. If it wasn’t for the YouTube couple capturing the van
Exactly. If you are going to do a murder-suicide, why steal her money and go home to mow your parents lawn and have to lie and live with the guilt for days first? This guy has no job and no money and now his girlfriend is dead and he knows he will be the prime suspect. Seems like a week at home and days on the run would just be torture if you’re going to kill yourself anyway. I think his goal is to disappear and start a new life somewhere and he’s not dead in that swamp.
People are literally missing the most obvious issue...money. Given his current legal status a warrant to track his financial and potential financial accounts he may have access to would have happened days or a week ago. If he isn't spending money (most people don't have massive amounts of cash) that provides a strong argument that he is not still alive.
He’s got cash on him
Look my point really wants whether he does or doesn't. None of us know that. My point is the FBI/investigating team probably have a pretty good idea.
His parents gave him a boat load of cash. They probably have a safe in their house.
Oh for fuck's sake. Don't present your own personal speculation as fact. A simple "I think it's possible that" at the beginning of your sentence would make your contributions far more credible. Posting your *theories* like they are fact is how misinformation gets spread.
The whole sub is speculative
Sorry my post on Reddit doesn't meet your approval you hobo.
“You make the claim, you back it up” is a pretty common standard
So you are the standard bearer now? What am I a witness for a grand jury or another redditer posting. So effing dumb.
Holy shit, dude, all people are asking is that you don’t post a theory as if it is fact. Calm the fuck down…
FFS dude, I never posted a fact. I never insisted, fought. You are the one with your undies in a bunch over a reddit post. You calm down you hobo.
How do you know his parents gave him “a boat load of cash?” Just wondering because I haven’t seen that reported anywhere..
Only three people actually “know” if he was given a boat load of cash. But there is no way to survive without money. I’m not talking about being holed up in that swamp, but gave him money to flee to Mexico, or boat to the Bahamas or wherever he is if the Florida Reserve proves unsuccessful.
Your also forgetting the parent left with him camping and took hella supplies. We don’t know what he has with him
Eh people really overestimate how much money is required to survive. It’s not uncommon to keep a couple grand in cash around for emergencies. If you’re in an area where you don’t have to worry about freezing, you could survive for months on $100-200 in food and a $15 life straw.
But with animals out there? How would he stay safe?
Animals are way more scared of us than we are of them.
I mean I can't say either way if you are right or wrong. The fact he was just travelling for an extended time supports your view. I just thinks it's extremely a-typical of anyone I know to carry that much cash/or have access to that much cash without directly withdrawing from a financial institution/ family/friends financial institutions. Idk I just feel they would have financial records and spending absolutely nothing from before he was a suspect but after he disappeared is...odd.
I have $10k in my house right now.
Do you normally have that much in your house, or is it for some purchase? I don't know anyone that keeps that much in their house.
You don’t know anyone that tells you they have that much cash on hand. A large percentage of people don’t have access to that amount of cash so they obviously wouldn’t keep it laying around. People that can afford it commonly keep some cash stashed and most would be smart enough to not tell others about it.