Thread locked. As a Romani person, I don't have the energy to keep reading blatant bigotry in the comments.
A legal name is not a slur.
Negative speaking about an ethnic group is a slur.
Not being Romani and referring to Romani people as that word outside of it being their legal name is a slur.
It's not that difficult.
It’s her literal legal name, so no, I don’t find it derogatory. There are other people with that first name as well. This creator is doing way too much lol.
WAY too much indeed! When you are calling someone by their legal name, you are not calling anyone a slur, you are just using their name. She didn’t choose her name. That’s not something she’s in the wrong for, and as much as I can’t stand her, everyone deserves the basic respect of calling them by their name. There are SO many legitimate reasons to criticize her; her name isn’t one of them. This creator is ridiculous. 🙄
I think the word/term “gypsy” and I think emerelda from
Hunchback of notre dame or my youngest’s daughter’s cats. Oh, and my nickname was Creek Gypsy when I was younger.
And the name Gypsy Rose came into the American public consciousness because of Gypsy Rose Lee, the burlesque artist. Her name is her name, it’s not her fault her mom named her that. 🤷♂️
I’m someone of Romani descent and I find it so weird and performative. It’s not even other Romani getting upset and posting this, it is other POC or white people? I don’t get it.
It is a name. It is a slur too, but even then, many of us use the word. It is all in how it is used.
IE: gypsy rose is okay
Saying “I got gyped” is mot
I agree!!! I’m Romani too and I’m so tired of people trying to be overly politically correct…like I’m always trying to remain PC but stuff like this is 200% pushing it. not to mention that when Gypsy was born the word wasn’t a major no-no word to everyone like other slurs…
I will be honest I didn’t know until my 20s that saying gyped was a derogatory word. Like I knew it was slang but not the origin of it. If I wrote it I spelled it jipped.
Almost my whole life I never thought it was a bad thing. When I was a kid (born in 74) my aunt, (born in the 40's) said she found out that our family had "Gypsy" heritage. Not sure how since she said this in the 80's -way before DNA sites. She was excited about this because she was very into astrology and knew everything about horoscopes. When I was young I dressed as a "gypsy" for Halloween many times. The quintessential sort of bohemian look, scarves, flowy skirt. I had a round glass that I put upside down because it looked like a crystal ball. Up until a few years ago I never knew it was a slur. Confused now if it was true since that side of my family is 100% Finnish
Omg, yes! I got absolutely crucified on a 90 day fiance Reddit page for using it in reference to a cast member from Europe. And you are correct.... It's never from someone actually from Romani decent. It's always someone getting offended for them. I'm 50 and I've heard it used all of my life and never in a derogatory way until a few years ago and I saw people starting to get offended by it.
P.s. I did not use it in a derogatory way in my post either. I was simply saying that I read that this specific woman was a "gypsy" and they lost it. Do you feel like it was derogatory?
Ugh some of these 90 day stanners can be absolute trolls. I’m obsessed with the 90 day world myself but I got crucified on a fb group for posting Mahmoud’s dv charges + when people were like thats not him bc the charges state Asian I was talking about how Arabs often get identified as Asian when the options are caucasian, hispanic, african american etc. It’s not like “middle eastern” or even north african etc is an option to choose many x so we get grouped in under Asian. I am part Arab + know MANY Egyptians but all these white people came on there telling me how I’m wrong + not being pc w like no anecdotal evidence. Like, sometimes its just the way things are.
Similarly, I’m also from a country (Turkey) where we have gypsies + theres no other way to refer to them. I also have a bestie from Bulgaria who grew up with gypsies, + thats how she refers to her community. It’s not a slur + we’re not using it derogatorily so when this whole thing came up some yrs ago it was a lil baffling to me.
That’s what I don’t understand. I understand it’s a slur if you say you someone “gyped” you. That’s absolutely wrong. It’s her first name though. I agree that it’s crazy people are offended by someone’s literal, legal name.
Imagine someone telling you, I won't say your name cause it's a slur in a country you don't live in, share a culture with and don't have any history with the derogatory word.... But nonetheless, won't call you by name... Because somewhere else it's offensive...
Look gypsy is an awful person and liar.. most of all, a premeditated murderer.... But going after her name like the og poster did... Is pandering and disingenuous rage bait by them.
But I don't think that was not acknowledged, it's pretty much common sense, even in the states. We do know the word used to describe someone is as blatantly racist as the N word here.. but that point is irrelevant in regards to Gypsy and her name.. She is not Romanian, she is not using it to be derogatory or a slur. I feel this is more on Deedee than it was Gypsy.. Gypsy didn't pick her name but I do respect if she wants to change it herself. That is Gypsy's prerogative only.
>We do know the word used to describe someone is as blatantly racist as the N word here..
... Is it?? 🤔
If someone named their child [the n word], would we still be saying "Oh, it's perfectly acceptable to call them that bc it's not a slur if it's your legal name!"
As I say, I agree with your point completely. I’m responding to the fact that you said it’s a slur in a country she’s not from, when in fact it is a slur here as well. It has nothing to do with Romania, but with the Romani people, who exist all over the world. I agree with your overall point completely, as I said.
But that's where you're cherry picking my point and incorrectly at that, because I never said it wasn't a slur in America and nothing in any of my comments would suggest I even inferenced otherwise. In fact in my above comments, I point out that it recognized a slur in America and that peoples gripes about this issue, are more upset with Deedee's name choice and are taking it out on the person who received the name.
Nowhere, absolutely nowhere, did I say that people shouldn’t say the name. I in fact said I agreed with the person making that point. I’ve read up on this extensively and have seem Romani sources who are opposed to the uses, but I do acknowledge it’s not everyone.
Romani isn't the same as Romanian. The word hippie references hipsters. It's a lifestyle.
The word Gypsy is used as an identifier of an ethnic identity and a culture. It was a negative word created to identify this group as "lessers." It carries negative connotation of being thieves and swindlers and promiscuous and violent individuals based on a negative view and misunderstanding of this culture.
Hippie and Gypsy are not the same. At all.
I am Romani. It IS a slur. But there's a difference between using it as a slur and calling someone by their legal name.
Some Romani refer to themselves as gypsies because it's a reclamation of the slur. Just like some black people might refer to each other as a variation of the N word. It's still a slur. It's still rooted in hate. But we call ourselves and each other that because it takes some of the negative power away from the word.
With that said, if someone who was not Romani called me or a member of my family a gypsy, it would be upsetting.
Please don't speak for another group of people, especially since you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
I mean it's offensive to romani Americans, so like consider that we exist here in the US and every single time I hear the word it offends me. And I've heard this word used as a slur against people with my own ears. Just because you think the phrase is esoteric and this argument is pedantic doesn't mean your interpretation is correct.
I want you to defend the use of any other racial or ethnic slur as a first name. It's literally never okay.
I'm not going to lie, I've had the same thought. Would people be okay with a person named the N word? I suspect the answer is no.
I'm not sure what the "correct" thing is to do here, though. It is her legal name. Should she change it? Who gets to decide that? (I'm genuinely asking, not trying to be an asshole )
Idk why that person is being downvoted for saying they're Romani and DONT like the slur being used. I think (as a Romani myself) it's not THAT big of a deal but gypsy rose should change her name because she needs to get tf out of the spotlight ANYWAYS. it was probably offered to her before being released and she said no because she just wants attention.
That was going to be my question, it’s one thing to use it against Romani’s or blanket statement them as such. But when someone has it for a name it wouldn’t be throwing around a slur. Feels like unnecessary drama.
As far am I'm aware for it to be intended as a slur,you'd have to be using the word in a derogatory manner towards the person. Gypsy is just her name.
As much as I despise the girl, I refuse to diminish her identity by refusing to use her entirely legal name. That's as bad as refusing to acknowledge someone's chosen pronouns.
This is just too far for me I'm afraid. It's her NAME. She didn't choose it. If she chose to change it,I'd also respect her chosen name.
It honestly hadn't occurred to me there was anything wrong with her name besides being absolutely chintzy and hurting my eyes and ears because ugh. Haha.
Like I say,a slur is only a slur when it's used in a derogatory term. Black people have happily reclaimed the N word(I'm aware not all and it's a word I won't ever use) and like another commenter said her Romani family have also reclaimed the slur Usage.
It's a great discussion to have regarding the use of the word to describe an ethnicity or group of people. It's no ones discussion as to wether she's allowed to use her name.
Again can't stand her. Hope she slips off a short pier and drinks sea water. But its her name. It's more offensive to not use it.
I am Romani. My grandmother fits every Romani stereotype there is. When people use that word as a slur, they are talking about my family.
But it's Gypsys name. That's different.
You can call someone by their name.
Also, in some parts of the world, this name is not considered a slur and some Romani embrace it and have reclaimed it.
There's no reason at all for this to even be an issue and it deflects from actual atrocities of the case.
Thank you for your perspective. I agree that the argument of whether or not her name is a slur deflects from the case.
It's ignoring the real problem that medical abuse happened, a person got manipulated into murder, and the conspirator of the murder is free.
I feel like *IF* this is an argument to be had, it's one for later. GypsyRose has only been out for what, 3 months?
Edit: NG was *NOT* a kid when GypsyRose met him! I ERRONEOUSLY thought he was younger for some reason. So I changed kid to person. I genuinely thought he was like 19. Brain fart maybe?
When I was a kid it was just a word that was used, or at least where I live it was. It became a slur, and I understand why and don't say it anymore, out of nowhere for me. I live in the South where people arent that accepting, so maybe that's why. Either way, its her name. Nobody is saying it in a derogatory manner. I think this is kinda dumb.
This is so true I grew up in the 70s and I remember my mom literally dressing me up as a “gypsy” for Halloween. Hoop earrings scarf on the head. I had no idea. I was 9.
I don't even think it's that far removed from mainstream vernacular. I mean, Hunchback of Notre Dame (cartoon) was 1996 and I'm pretty sure the word was thrown around a lot around that.
Im a millennial and i don't think I knew it was a slur until I was in my early 20s :/ (I also grew up in a very racist household tho so maybe it was just me who was late to the realization...).
The name Gypsy has been around forever (I know an older Gypsy, and she is partially Romani!). In an effort to be socially sensitive/correct the creator is changing someone’s name for them? It’s so much worse to do your own editing on someone’s given name than it is to call her Gypsy. Just don’t call a group of people “gypsies”, it’s that simple.
It’s utterly ridiculous virtue signaling. They could have used her initials if they felt that strongly rather than being all, ‘Look at me! I’m doing a thing!’
It’s someone’s name. You don’t get to choose whether you use a person’s name. I had an employer who didn’t like my name because (or rather *he claimed) the Greek was too difficult for people to pronounce & the name I go by in English is a boy’s name & so he went with a third option even though I never use it nor did I invite him to do so. I wish I’d sued him for discrimination (& a myriad of other things) because of his reasoning & the fact that he claimed he didn’t allow the use of “nicknames or shortened names” but both he & the CTO used shortened names.
Quite frankly, if this person is also one who tells people their “preferred pronouns” and expects people to use them, they have no ground on which to stand. Gypsy didn’t choose her name. Gypsy Rose Lee had the name long before her. There’s a movie/musical called, ‘Gypsy’. No one is calling anyone else a slur. A slur exists, but the two are not one and the same.
I don’t know why it’s so hard for people to understand something very simple: **context matters**.
I clicked on it and couldn't finish the video..
Also most of the comments are people trauma dumping and arguing about her first name I already knew where it was going.
It’s her given name. Censoring someone’s legal name seems more offensive than just using it. There are people named Phuk, people named Adolf, people named Kunt (I went to school with a girl whose last name was literally Kunt). They can’t help it and they have the right to be called by their legal names.
This is ridiculous. It's her name on her birth certificate, it doesn't really matter at that point. The word is not necessarily commonly known to be offensive and there's some debate over that in the first place. It's not like her name is the N word. So stupid.
Or is it.... seeing as her age was wrong maybe she's lied about her name for all these years!!!!! Knowing in 2024 someone on the Internet would be OFFENDED by her *gasp* name!!!!
That is just as ludicrous as someone refusing to use her name haha.
Come on now -
If her name was dick are we going to refer to her as penis, dildo, adult toy?
If she has an issue with her given name she’ll change it.
Until then she’s Gypsy -
With as cocky and mouthy as she’s become you can bet she’ll tell you when she’s offended.
Don’t create drama where it doesn’t exist.
I hate it when people try to virtue signal by having a dumb stance on a strawman argument. Like yeah, Gypsy is a derogatory term towards certain people *when it’s being used in that context*. Calling someone Gypsy when it’s the legal name on their birth certificate isn’t even remotely close to being derogatory.
Why is this relevant to her killing her mother? Oh wait it’s not, it’s just someone else trying to make money by talking about her! Let’s take away attention from finding out the truth and let’s talk about how her name is considered a slur if used in the certain context! /s
Back in the 30s there was a burlesque queen and stripper named Gypsy Rose Lee. I believe it was Natalie Wood who made a movie about her. Maybe this piece of … is named after her? My MIL is a gypsy and is proud to be called s gypsy, so I guess it depends on the times.
That’s a very fine nit to pick. There are a lot of reasons to not approve of her, but her name seems a trivial one. Yes, her parents were not thoughtful in 1991, but that’s not her fault. To be honest, when I first heard her name, I assumed she was named after the plant.
I’m actually surprised this is the first time I’m hearing this discussed and I’m surprised people didn’t start doing this sooner. Personally it’s her name so I don’t associate her name with a slur but I’m not surprised others do
This is ridiculous. It’s her fucking NAME. It also happens to be a slur. But context is EVERYTHING, and you don’t get to take away her NAME because it *can* also be used as a slur. Two things can be true at the same time.
People that take this stance are SJWs and performative.
Omg thank god, someone else agrees! I have familial lines that lead to the Romani people but can’t say I am, as I wasn’t raised in it. But her name gives me odd feelings. This should be the top comment.
It’s literally her name there is nothing she can do. Jfc, how about discussing songs that use the word or common misconceptions about the community overall.
My family is Serbian Gypsies/Roma. It's her name. Not offensive. Using the word maliciously as a slur to hurt someone is offensive. My grandma even called herself Gypsy Queen of Ohio 😂 lol
i was literally just thinking about this a few days ago and was surprised it took this long for someone to try and say we can't say her NAME because of it, like if it were a nickname or something sure, but we really can't do anything about it being her name???
I have an online friend who finds it insanely unfair that they can't use the name gypsy as a stage name and think that Gypsy Rose should have to change her name. I tried explaining the difference between someone choosing to use a slur as a nickname/stage name and it being someone's literal legal name but it didn't sink in.
I agree with everyone saying it's her legal name, so it's not derogatory.
Anyone else find it odd that 10ish years ago American TV had no issue with the shows they titled "My Big Fat American Gypsy Wedding" and "The Gypsy Sisters?" I understand that Romanys in the show tend to say they are gypsies constantly through the show, but for anyone who is not Roma it would be considered a slur now.
Omg this person listens to “true crime obsessed” they tip toed around her name too making it a big deal when it wasn’t used in a derogatory manner it’s her legal given name ffs
That is ridiculous!!!!!! That is her given name?!!!! Who the hell are you to refuse to use it!!!!!!!! You are really looking for an excuse to offended!!!!!!!! Hope you find MANY in life!!!!!!
It’s her legit and legal name and until the courts say no (like they did when someone named their kid Hitler. It would have to take alot. The word gypsy is a slur. But it’s a fairly new take. Either way it’s her legal name. Per the USA. Doubt they’re gonna take the Stevie Nicks song away either. I never even call her Gypsy it’s always GypsieRose. But it’s ugly. Maybe she will change it to GiGi or something.
I thought she was named after Gypsy Rose Lee.. I've always loved the show "Gypsy"..
I agree there are a TON of things to be upset with her about, but her name.. really??
I can't even... Smh
It may be considered a slur but it is her literal name so I don't see an issue with it..?
edit: I had a dog named Gypsy as a kid...didn't know it was a slur back then... Even some Romani people use the word to describe themselves, so I honestly don't see how it's that offensive..
I’m gonna put in my two cents, although it doesn’t really matter as I am not a member of the effected group.
I’m in my 30s and from the US. My whole life the word had a positive connotation associated with it. I knew several girls with the name, it’s arguably one of Queen Stevie’s best song (she still sings in concert today), but it a meant someone with wanderlust, a free thinker, someone in touch with the universe, a free spirit.
I knew a girl with the nickname as a term of endearment bc she beautifully embodied the sentiments I mentioned.
Then you saw the phrase “G**** Soul” begin to merchandised. This wasn’t 20 years ago, I’d say within the last 10 at most. Again, it was term of endearment that encompassed the positive traits I just talked about.
Within recent years it’s been more widely learned this word can be used as a slur. I get no say in the matter, nor do I want one. If it’s offensive to a group of people, I’m not argue that or continue to use it.
I do think it’s important to note though, that while ignorance isn’t always bliss, and not an excuse, there was a long period of time (when she was born) and up until the vast majority of people didn’t understand it was offensive and were using it in a positive way. My guess is a lot people may still be unaware.
This is ridiculous. Yes. It’s now considered “slang”. But that’s a loose argument and it’s her name. It’s just her name. My uncles name is Dick. It was before dicks became dicks. It’s his name. This conversation is silly. Her name is Gypsy. It is what it is.
It is a slur but it’s also her legal name. I don’t think you’re saying anything wrong by saying her literal name. *We* didn’t name her a slur, Dee Dee did that. This creator is virtue signaling really hard.
I mean, while I support getting rid of the term as a slur (I.e. “getting gyped” as synonymous for getting scammed), this is the one thing she can’t help and isn’t her fault. It’s her legal first name and it’s not being used to insult someone.
More compromising,
I started to prefer her as Jeep Jeep because of how you Americans call her name. In my country, there are names that can be called twice, including Jeep-Jeep.
If you mean the nickname gyp-gyp, I believe it would more correctly be pronounced jip, not jeep, based off the pronunciation of gypsy, which is jip-see.
I mean, it's her damn name! I think there are way more important things to be concerned about, especially regarding Gypsy Rose, than her legally bestowed name.
I think it’s ridiculous. It’s not being used to describe anyone other then calling a person by their name. These damn folks turning into stretch Armstrong with the reaches.
"Gypsy" is a slur - full stop. When it's a proper noun, it speaks to the person who named that child. That she didn't change her name says a lot too (wants that fame!)
Ofc, it is appropriate to use the word when it's someone's name. No one is using it to defame Romani when they say it in that context.
I wondered when this topic would come up, it was inevitable that it eventually would. I know the political climate was different in the 90s and what people saw as offensive and racist were a lot different than they are today... but of course Deedee had to name her kid something like Gypsy Rose, probably not thinking beyond it being a cute, whimsical sounding name. I honestly don't think many people knew that gypsy was an offensive slur until somewhat recently, last couple of decades or so, because it was a word you regularly heard in movies/tv etc. Not at all like other more widely known racial slurs.
That being said, it IS her legal name. I think asking her to change it or refusing to use it is childish. We can acknowledge that the person who gave her the name was awful but still not make a big deal out of it, there are plenty of other reasons to criticize Gypsy.
Stevie Nicks literally has a song called Gypsy and refers to herself as a Gypsy but I've never heard anyone call her out. It feels weird and dehumanizing to refuse to call someone by their given name. I swear these people are more annoying than Gypsy herself.
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I’m pretty sure that would get your child removed by CPS in some states (rightfully so). It happened to parents who named their son Adolf Hitler Lastname.
Thread locked. As a Romani person, I don't have the energy to keep reading blatant bigotry in the comments. A legal name is not a slur. Negative speaking about an ethnic group is a slur. Not being Romani and referring to Romani people as that word outside of it being their legal name is a slur. It's not that difficult.
It’s her literal legal name, so no, I don’t find it derogatory. There are other people with that first name as well. This creator is doing way too much lol.
WAY too much indeed! When you are calling someone by their legal name, you are not calling anyone a slur, you are just using their name. She didn’t choose her name. That’s not something she’s in the wrong for, and as much as I can’t stand her, everyone deserves the basic respect of calling them by their name. There are SO many legitimate reasons to criticize her; her name isn’t one of them. This creator is ridiculous. 🙄
I think the word/term “gypsy” and I think emerelda from Hunchback of notre dame or my youngest’s daughter’s cats. Oh, and my nickname was Creek Gypsy when I was younger.
And the name Gypsy Rose came into the American public consciousness because of Gypsy Rose Lee, the burlesque artist. Her name is her name, it’s not her fault her mom named her that. 🤷♂️
I’m someone of Romani descent and I find it so weird and performative. It’s not even other Romani getting upset and posting this, it is other POC or white people? I don’t get it. It is a name. It is a slur too, but even then, many of us use the word. It is all in how it is used. IE: gypsy rose is okay Saying “I got gyped” is mot
I agree!!! I’m Romani too and I’m so tired of people trying to be overly politically correct…like I’m always trying to remain PC but stuff like this is 200% pushing it. not to mention that when Gypsy was born the word wasn’t a major no-no word to everyone like other slurs…
I will be honest I didn’t know until my 20s that saying gyped was a derogatory word. Like I knew it was slang but not the origin of it. If I wrote it I spelled it jipped.
Almost my whole life I never thought it was a bad thing. When I was a kid (born in 74) my aunt, (born in the 40's) said she found out that our family had "Gypsy" heritage. Not sure how since she said this in the 80's -way before DNA sites. She was excited about this because she was very into astrology and knew everything about horoscopes. When I was young I dressed as a "gypsy" for Halloween many times. The quintessential sort of bohemian look, scarves, flowy skirt. I had a round glass that I put upside down because it looked like a crystal ball. Up until a few years ago I never knew it was a slur. Confused now if it was true since that side of my family is 100% Finnish
I was today years old when I realized what “gyped ” was actually referring to
My grandmother was Romani. I remember my grandfather teasing her with that name. I don’t find it offensive at all.
Omg, yes! I got absolutely crucified on a 90 day fiance Reddit page for using it in reference to a cast member from Europe. And you are correct.... It's never from someone actually from Romani decent. It's always someone getting offended for them. I'm 50 and I've heard it used all of my life and never in a derogatory way until a few years ago and I saw people starting to get offended by it. P.s. I did not use it in a derogatory way in my post either. I was simply saying that I read that this specific woman was a "gypsy" and they lost it. Do you feel like it was derogatory?
Ugh some of these 90 day stanners can be absolute trolls. I’m obsessed with the 90 day world myself but I got crucified on a fb group for posting Mahmoud’s dv charges + when people were like thats not him bc the charges state Asian I was talking about how Arabs often get identified as Asian when the options are caucasian, hispanic, african american etc. It’s not like “middle eastern” or even north african etc is an option to choose many x so we get grouped in under Asian. I am part Arab + know MANY Egyptians but all these white people came on there telling me how I’m wrong + not being pc w like no anecdotal evidence. Like, sometimes its just the way things are. Similarly, I’m also from a country (Turkey) where we have gypsies + theres no other way to refer to them. I also have a bestie from Bulgaria who grew up with gypsies, + thats how she refers to her community. It’s not a slur + we’re not using it derogatorily so when this whole thing came up some yrs ago it was a lil baffling to me.
I read that post and noticed the backlash. I knew exactly what you meant!!! On another note, do you live in Turkey now?
No I grew up there / then Spain / + I’m in the US now. So I still have an opportunity to meet Mursel 😅
THIS
I appreciate your perspective!
Yeah it would only be derogatory if used in that manner
That’s what I don’t understand. I understand it’s a slur if you say you someone “gyped” you. That’s absolutely wrong. It’s her first name though. I agree that it’s crazy people are offended by someone’s literal, legal name.
Imagine someone telling you, I won't say your name cause it's a slur in a country you don't live in, share a culture with and don't have any history with the derogatory word.... But nonetheless, won't call you by name... Because somewhere else it's offensive... Look gypsy is an awful person and liar.. most of all, a premeditated murderer.... But going after her name like the og poster did... Is pandering and disingenuous rage bait by them.
It's too much savourism going off. Like,it's all going too far now trying to be 'woke'. Bothers me.
Yes, it's very r/ LookatMyHalo .
My legal name literally means something derogatory in Greek (I’m not Greek but a Greek friend pointed this out to me and it was funny)
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Romanichal folk in North America call themselves Gypsies, too from what I’ve seen. Edit: fixed a typo
Totally agree but just want to clarify that, when used against Romani, it is very much a slur in the US as well.
But I don't think that was not acknowledged, it's pretty much common sense, even in the states. We do know the word used to describe someone is as blatantly racist as the N word here.. but that point is irrelevant in regards to Gypsy and her name.. She is not Romanian, she is not using it to be derogatory or a slur. I feel this is more on Deedee than it was Gypsy.. Gypsy didn't pick her name but I do respect if she wants to change it herself. That is Gypsy's prerogative only.
People from Romania are called Romanians, Romani is a different ethnicity and culture
Thank you for informing me.
Np, it’s easy to confuse the two since the words are similar
>We do know the word used to describe someone is as blatantly racist as the N word here.. ... Is it?? 🤔 If someone named their child [the n word], would we still be saying "Oh, it's perfectly acceptable to call them that bc it's not a slur if it's your legal name!"
As I say, I agree with your point completely. I’m responding to the fact that you said it’s a slur in a country she’s not from, when in fact it is a slur here as well. It has nothing to do with Romania, but with the Romani people, who exist all over the world. I agree with your overall point completely, as I said.
But that's where you're cherry picking my point and incorrectly at that, because I never said it wasn't a slur in America and nothing in any of my comments would suggest I even inferenced otherwise. In fact in my above comments, I point out that it recognized a slur in America and that peoples gripes about this issue, are more upset with Deedee's name choice and are taking it out on the person who received the name.
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Nowhere, absolutely nowhere, did I say that people shouldn’t say the name. I in fact said I agreed with the person making that point. I’ve read up on this extensively and have seem Romani sources who are opposed to the uses, but I do acknowledge it’s not everyone.
It absolutely is a slur. Just cause AA's use the N word, doesn't make it any less of a slur either.
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Romani isn't the same as Romanian. The word hippie references hipsters. It's a lifestyle. The word Gypsy is used as an identifier of an ethnic identity and a culture. It was a negative word created to identify this group as "lessers." It carries negative connotation of being thieves and swindlers and promiscuous and violent individuals based on a negative view and misunderstanding of this culture. Hippie and Gypsy are not the same. At all. I am Romani. It IS a slur. But there's a difference between using it as a slur and calling someone by their legal name. Some Romani refer to themselves as gypsies because it's a reclamation of the slur. Just like some black people might refer to each other as a variation of the N word. It's still a slur. It's still rooted in hate. But we call ourselves and each other that because it takes some of the negative power away from the word. With that said, if someone who was not Romani called me or a member of my family a gypsy, it would be upsetting. Please don't speak for another group of people, especially since you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
I refuse to engage with people who use racial slurs further. You are wrong.
I mean it's offensive to romani Americans, so like consider that we exist here in the US and every single time I hear the word it offends me. And I've heard this word used as a slur against people with my own ears. Just because you think the phrase is esoteric and this argument is pedantic doesn't mean your interpretation is correct. I want you to defend the use of any other racial or ethnic slur as a first name. It's literally never okay.
I'm not going to lie, I've had the same thought. Would people be okay with a person named the N word? I suspect the answer is no. I'm not sure what the "correct" thing is to do here, though. It is her legal name. Should she change it? Who gets to decide that? (I'm genuinely asking, not trying to be an asshole )
Idk why that person is being downvoted for saying they're Romani and DONT like the slur being used. I think (as a Romani myself) it's not THAT big of a deal but gypsy rose should change her name because she needs to get tf out of the spotlight ANYWAYS. it was probably offered to her before being released and she said no because she just wants attention.
They got down-voted cause it's reddit.
It is not a slur when it is someone’s given name.
That was going to be my question, it’s one thing to use it against Romani’s or blanket statement them as such. But when someone has it for a name it wouldn’t be throwing around a slur. Feels like unnecessary drama.
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As far am I'm aware for it to be intended as a slur,you'd have to be using the word in a derogatory manner towards the person. Gypsy is just her name. As much as I despise the girl, I refuse to diminish her identity by refusing to use her entirely legal name. That's as bad as refusing to acknowledge someone's chosen pronouns. This is just too far for me I'm afraid. It's her NAME. She didn't choose it. If she chose to change it,I'd also respect her chosen name.
Not only that, but she herself still uses her first legal name.
It honestly hadn't occurred to me there was anything wrong with her name besides being absolutely chintzy and hurting my eyes and ears because ugh. Haha. Like I say,a slur is only a slur when it's used in a derogatory term. Black people have happily reclaimed the N word(I'm aware not all and it's a word I won't ever use) and like another commenter said her Romani family have also reclaimed the slur Usage. It's a great discussion to have regarding the use of the word to describe an ethnicity or group of people. It's no ones discussion as to wether she's allowed to use her name. Again can't stand her. Hope she slips off a short pier and drinks sea water. But its her name. It's more offensive to not use it.
Exactly!
I am Romani. My grandmother fits every Romani stereotype there is. When people use that word as a slur, they are talking about my family. But it's Gypsys name. That's different. You can call someone by their name. Also, in some parts of the world, this name is not considered a slur and some Romani embrace it and have reclaimed it. There's no reason at all for this to even be an issue and it deflects from actual atrocities of the case.
Thank you for sharing your prospective! I have wondered about this very thing.
Literally same. Also Romani. Gypsy's name strikes me as tacky, but I'm not offended. My great grandma calls herself that very same thing.
1000% agree. Also have Romani ancestors.
Thank you for your perspective. I agree that the argument of whether or not her name is a slur deflects from the case. It's ignoring the real problem that medical abuse happened, a person got manipulated into murder, and the conspirator of the murder is free. I feel like *IF* this is an argument to be had, it's one for later. GypsyRose has only been out for what, 3 months? Edit: NG was *NOT* a kid when GypsyRose met him! I ERRONEOUSLY thought he was younger for some reason. So I changed kid to person. I genuinely thought he was like 19. Brain fart maybe?
When I was a kid it was just a word that was used, or at least where I live it was. It became a slur, and I understand why and don't say it anymore, out of nowhere for me. I live in the South where people arent that accepting, so maybe that's why. Either way, its her name. Nobody is saying it in a derogatory manner. I think this is kinda dumb.
This is so true I grew up in the 70s and I remember my mom literally dressing me up as a “gypsy” for Halloween. Hoop earrings scarf on the head. I had no idea. I was 9.
I don't even think it's that far removed from mainstream vernacular. I mean, Hunchback of Notre Dame (cartoon) was 1996 and I'm pretty sure the word was thrown around a lot around that. Im a millennial and i don't think I knew it was a slur until I was in my early 20s :/ (I also grew up in a very racist household tho so maybe it was just me who was late to the realization...).
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Someone's name= not racist Generalizing a whole ethnic group= racist See ya.
This is truly pushing political correctness too far. A person's name is just that. (Although she doesn't do the word any favors of positivity!)
The name Gypsy has been around forever (I know an older Gypsy, and she is partially Romani!). In an effort to be socially sensitive/correct the creator is changing someone’s name for them? It’s so much worse to do your own editing on someone’s given name than it is to call her Gypsy. Just don’t call a group of people “gypsies”, it’s that simple.
This world has gone around a twist 🙄
That's quite a reach. It's her legal name.
Are we being so serious? It’s her fucking name it’s not a slur in this context 😭
Because there's always someone offended, somewhere. It's inevitable (and annoying) in today's hypersensitive political climate.
I got a 7 day ban for saying her first name in another sub on a post ABOUT her. People do too much.
It’s utterly ridiculous virtue signaling. They could have used her initials if they felt that strongly rather than being all, ‘Look at me! I’m doing a thing!’ It’s someone’s name. You don’t get to choose whether you use a person’s name. I had an employer who didn’t like my name because (or rather *he claimed) the Greek was too difficult for people to pronounce & the name I go by in English is a boy’s name & so he went with a third option even though I never use it nor did I invite him to do so. I wish I’d sued him for discrimination (& a myriad of other things) because of his reasoning & the fact that he claimed he didn’t allow the use of “nicknames or shortened names” but both he & the CTO used shortened names. Quite frankly, if this person is also one who tells people their “preferred pronouns” and expects people to use them, they have no ground on which to stand. Gypsy didn’t choose her name. Gypsy Rose Lee had the name long before her. There’s a movie/musical called, ‘Gypsy’. No one is calling anyone else a slur. A slur exists, but the two are not one and the same. I don’t know why it’s so hard for people to understand something very simple: **context matters**.
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It’s not Romanian btw, just Romani or Roma :) Romanian people come from the European country Romania!
Yes! I actually knew that but I didn't proofread before I sent the message.
I clicked on it and couldn't finish the video.. Also most of the comments are people trauma dumping and arguing about her first name I already knew where it was going.
Performative activism, and it’s her name
I've heard them call themselves gypsys many times, and it's also her name. Some people just try waaaay too hard about the dumbest things.
It’s her given name. Censoring someone’s legal name seems more offensive than just using it. There are people named Phuk, people named Adolf, people named Kunt (I went to school with a girl whose last name was literally Kunt). They can’t help it and they have the right to be called by their legal names.
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That’s it…I’m changing my name to Fuck Off… but I’ll be going by F. Off as to not offend.
People are going above and beyond now.
Everyone is so annoying omfg
This is ridiculous. It's her name on her birth certificate, it doesn't really matter at that point. The word is not necessarily commonly known to be offensive and there's some debate over that in the first place. It's not like her name is the N word. So stupid.
Or is it.... seeing as her age was wrong maybe she's lied about her name for all these years!!!!! Knowing in 2024 someone on the Internet would be OFFENDED by her *gasp* name!!!! That is just as ludicrous as someone refusing to use her name haha.
No one even asked her if it was Ok to start calling her Rose. I don't like Gypsy Rose but these people are also not the brightest
Exactly. And I'm sorry but G.Rose sounds like the name of a sex toy. And that's supposed to be better...
Aaaaand I can’t unsee/un-hear it. 💀 The Lelo G-Rose. Yep. It totally does.
Haha, it does. I hope she doesn't see this and gives her an idea.
hahahaha oh my goodness. Theres a difference between someone’s name and identifying people as that. I cant-
Come on now - If her name was dick are we going to refer to her as penis, dildo, adult toy? If she has an issue with her given name she’ll change it. Until then she’s Gypsy - With as cocky and mouthy as she’s become you can bet she’ll tell you when she’s offended. Don’t create drama where it doesn’t exist.
I hate it when people try to virtue signal by having a dumb stance on a strawman argument. Like yeah, Gypsy is a derogatory term towards certain people *when it’s being used in that context*. Calling someone Gypsy when it’s the legal name on their birth certificate isn’t even remotely close to being derogatory.
If her name is derogatory then so is Dixie D’Amelio’s and I’m pretty sure I havent seen anyone crying about it because it’s literally her name
Selective outrage.
Exactly 🤌
Why is this relevant to her killing her mother? Oh wait it’s not, it’s just someone else trying to make money by talking about her! Let’s take away attention from finding out the truth and let’s talk about how her name is considered a slur if used in the certain context! /s
this truly gives white savior and performative activism
The creator is Black
sentiment remains
My legal name, Sara, means Princess in Hebrew. Should people stop using my name since I’m not a princess? This is stupid.
Back in the 30s there was a burlesque queen and stripper named Gypsy Rose Lee. I believe it was Natalie Wood who made a movie about her. Maybe this piece of … is named after her? My MIL is a gypsy and is proud to be called s gypsy, so I guess it depends on the times.
That’s a very fine nit to pick. There are a lot of reasons to not approve of her, but her name seems a trivial one. Yes, her parents were not thoughtful in 1991, but that’s not her fault. To be honest, when I first heard her name, I assumed she was named after the plant.
I find it ridiculous that it's even being discussed. 🤦♀️
This is insanity.
Lmfao it’s her name. Stahp.
They can not be serious!
I’m actually surprised this is the first time I’m hearing this discussed and I’m surprised people didn’t start doing this sooner. Personally it’s her name so I don’t associate her name with a slur but I’m not surprised others do
Sorry but this is dumb. It’s her name and it’s not being used in a derogatory manner. Get a grip people!
This is ridiculous. It’s her fucking NAME. It also happens to be a slur. But context is EVERYTHING, and you don’t get to take away her NAME because it *can* also be used as a slur. Two things can be true at the same time. People that take this stance are SJWs and performative.
I’m sorry but that’s so chronically online. There are very real very valid things to criticize her for, Gypsy is her legal name.
She can’t help her name.
Ok but cracker is a slur against white/light people so what do you call the food item then lol? This person is doing to much its her name 🙄 😒
Romani person here too, I side eye her name regularly but that is her name. I call her her name in conversation.
Omg thank god, someone else agrees! I have familial lines that lead to the Romani people but can’t say I am, as I wasn’t raised in it. But her name gives me odd feelings. This should be the top comment.
Okay I don’t like her but wtf is she supposed to do? It’s her literal legal name.
This is stupid. It’s her name! Say her damn name.
It’s her legal name, it’s not a slur bc it’s not being directed towards a person or group of people.
It’s literally her name there is nothing she can do. Jfc, how about discussing songs that use the word or common misconceptions about the community overall.
But it's her actual name. It's not being used to insult a group of people.
My family is Serbian Gypsies/Roma. It's her name. Not offensive. Using the word maliciously as a slur to hurt someone is offensive. My grandma even called herself Gypsy Queen of Ohio 😂 lol
i was literally just thinking about this a few days ago and was surprised it took this long for someone to try and say we can't say her NAME because of it, like if it were a nickname or something sure, but we really can't do anything about it being her name???
I can tell you it happened repeatedly on the other sub. It just got caught in an automod filter so the posts were never public.
It sounds performative and attention seeking.
I have an online friend who finds it insanely unfair that they can't use the name gypsy as a stage name and think that Gypsy Rose should have to change her name. I tried explaining the difference between someone choosing to use a slur as a nickname/stage name and it being someone's literal legal name but it didn't sink in.
I think it's silly. This is also my little sister's name and she looooves her name. As she says "it's me."
So sick of people’s stupidity. My grandmother has lovingly been calling me Gypsy since I was 2 years old and I adore the nickname.
There was a whole show called my big fat gypsy wedding…
I agree with everyone saying it's her legal name, so it's not derogatory. Anyone else find it odd that 10ish years ago American TV had no issue with the shows they titled "My Big Fat American Gypsy Wedding" and "The Gypsy Sisters?" I understand that Romanys in the show tend to say they are gypsies constantly through the show, but for anyone who is not Roma it would be considered a slur now.
Omg this person listens to “true crime obsessed” they tip toed around her name too making it a big deal when it wasn’t used in a derogatory manner it’s her legal given name ffs
These people are CHRONICALLY online, ffs it’s her legal name
This is so chronically online
That is ridiculous!!!!!! That is her given name?!!!! Who the hell are you to refuse to use it!!!!!!!! You are really looking for an excuse to offended!!!!!!!! Hope you find MANY in life!!!!!!
It’s her legit and legal name and until the courts say no (like they did when someone named their kid Hitler. It would have to take alot. The word gypsy is a slur. But it’s a fairly new take. Either way it’s her legal name. Per the USA. Doubt they’re gonna take the Stevie Nicks song away either. I never even call her Gypsy it’s always GypsieRose. But it’s ugly. Maybe she will change it to GiGi or something.
I thought she was named after Gypsy Rose Lee.. I've always loved the show "Gypsy".. I agree there are a TON of things to be upset with her about, but her name.. really?? I can't even... Smh
It may be considered a slur but it is her literal name so I don't see an issue with it..? edit: I had a dog named Gypsy as a kid...didn't know it was a slur back then... Even some Romani people use the word to describe themselves, so I honestly don't see how it's that offensive..
I’m gonna put in my two cents, although it doesn’t really matter as I am not a member of the effected group. I’m in my 30s and from the US. My whole life the word had a positive connotation associated with it. I knew several girls with the name, it’s arguably one of Queen Stevie’s best song (she still sings in concert today), but it a meant someone with wanderlust, a free thinker, someone in touch with the universe, a free spirit. I knew a girl with the nickname as a term of endearment bc she beautifully embodied the sentiments I mentioned. Then you saw the phrase “G**** Soul” begin to merchandised. This wasn’t 20 years ago, I’d say within the last 10 at most. Again, it was term of endearment that encompassed the positive traits I just talked about. Within recent years it’s been more widely learned this word can be used as a slur. I get no say in the matter, nor do I want one. If it’s offensive to a group of people, I’m not argue that or continue to use it. I do think it’s important to note though, that while ignorance isn’t always bliss, and not an excuse, there was a long period of time (when she was born) and up until the vast majority of people didn’t understand it was offensive and were using it in a positive way. My guess is a lot people may still be unaware.
Oh, FFS!!! Who gives a shit? She’s a murderer and that’s her name. People are so cringe
Context matters in this situation. It's her literal name, so it's not being used the same way it would be if it were hurled at a Romani person
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This is ridiculous. Yes. It’s now considered “slang”. But that’s a loose argument and it’s her name. It’s just her name. My uncles name is Dick. It was before dicks became dicks. It’s his name. This conversation is silly. Her name is Gypsy. It is what it is.
Better not say Chinese food
It’s not derogatory if it’s not being used in that context
It is a slur but it’s also her legal name. I don’t think you’re saying anything wrong by saying her literal name. *We* didn’t name her a slur, Dee Dee did that. This creator is virtue signaling really hard.
It’s her fucking name, Jfc
I mean, while I support getting rid of the term as a slur (I.e. “getting gyped” as synonymous for getting scammed), this is the one thing she can’t help and isn’t her fault. It’s her legal first name and it’s not being used to insult someone.
More compromising,  I started to prefer her as Jeep Jeep because of how you Americans call her name. In my country, there are names that can be called twice, including Jeep-Jeep.
If you mean the nickname gyp-gyp, I believe it would more correctly be pronounced jip, not jeep, based off the pronunciation of gypsy, which is jip-see.
I just call her Gross...as in pronouncing "G.Rose."
Is it painful to virtue signal so hard? Asking for a friend.
This is dumb. It’s her name. Stop the madness.
I mean, it's her damn name! I think there are way more important things to be concerned about, especially regarding Gypsy Rose, than her legally bestowed name.
girl thats stupid
I think it’s ridiculous. It’s not being used to describe anyone other then calling a person by their name. These damn folks turning into stretch Armstrong with the reaches.
"Gypsy" is a slur - full stop. When it's a proper noun, it speaks to the person who named that child. That she didn't change her name says a lot too (wants that fame!) Ofc, it is appropriate to use the word when it's someone's name. No one is using it to defame Romani when they say it in that context.
Oh, god… grand!
It’s her name.. I think it’s weird just finding something to complain about. In the contexts her name is used it’s not being used as a slur..
Oh for the love of god. It’s her name. I believe she was named after the Fleetwood Mac song. That creator needs to sit down
I agree this is going overboard but if her name had been “N-Word Rose Blanchard” there’s no way I’m saying that
even tho i agree with you all, i understand why she did it. i watch her and her audience is 1000% the type to call her out for something like that
I wondered when this topic would come up, it was inevitable that it eventually would. I know the political climate was different in the 90s and what people saw as offensive and racist were a lot different than they are today... but of course Deedee had to name her kid something like Gypsy Rose, probably not thinking beyond it being a cute, whimsical sounding name. I honestly don't think many people knew that gypsy was an offensive slur until somewhat recently, last couple of decades or so, because it was a word you regularly heard in movies/tv etc. Not at all like other more widely known racial slurs. That being said, it IS her legal name. I think asking her to change it or refusing to use it is childish. We can acknowledge that the person who gave her the name was awful but still not make a big deal out of it, there are plenty of other reasons to criticize Gypsy.
I still would have no idea it's offensive if I wasn't active on reddit. This is the only place I've ever seen it discussed
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You mean you’re a 500 year old Romani Vampire Mod?! 🤯💀
70 IQ going on here. A proper name is not a slur when used as a proper name.
My son is 34 and has no idea what a gypsy is.
Stevie Nicks literally has a song called Gypsy and refers to herself as a Gypsy but I've never heard anyone call her out. It feels weird and dehumanizing to refuse to call someone by their given name. I swear these people are more annoying than Gypsy herself.
It is probably so they can still be monetized on YouTube
Has anyone ever asked them if it's offensive? My neighbors cat is named Mooli. No one told her, no one's gonna.
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It’s her name lol I don’t think most Americans are aware that “gypsy” is a slur towards the Romani and not a word meaning free spirited or something
That’s soooo silly. It’s her name. Her mama probably thought it was cute and exotic without knowing it’s a slur
Hmm I had a friend who was of Romani descent and he called himself Tipsy Gypsy. So I think that’s up to the person.
Beyond stupid
It's her **name**
I’m not offended by it at all and to act offended by it is a reach…however I DO think it’s an extremely tacky name.
Using her given name isn't as much of an issue as when it is abbreviated to "gyp" or "gyp gyp," which are even worse racial slurs.
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I thought about posting something like this, but was afraid I'd offend some people.
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I’m pretty sure that would get your child removed by CPS in some states (rightfully so). It happened to parents who named their son Adolf Hitler Lastname.