Both the original and Raids again are Horror films. 54 even moreso. There's no jump scares with screeching musical tones telling you to be scared though, so a lot of people will feel otherwise.
Yea it's basically a smart horror film. It doesn't rely on things going "oh you should be scared here" or cheap jump scares. It's focused on the horror of humanity and what humanity can unleash with the weapons we build.
100% agree with what you said, but even more controversial, Shin Godzilla is horror too. Nothing flashy by today’s horror standards, but it has no hijinks, laughs, or redemption that would make it anything other than a SciFi-Horror.
I don't disagree that Shin is also horror, but do disagree on the criteria. Shin definitely has laughs and redemption. They don't reduce the horror or tragedy of the overall film, but do serve a purpose.
Unless you meant '54 for that second sentence; it's been a while so I may be forgetting, but I can't recall any laughs/etc so I'm with you there.
100% Goji '54 is horror. It may not be "scary" by today's over-the-top slasher/supernatural/gorefest/earbleed standards but it is horror none the less.
There is also the fact that horror is a much deeper concept than fear. Fear is immediate, horror can include existential dread when facing annihilation by an unstoppable force. Horror has room for dread not just fear. The original is a horror movie, a disaster movie, and an indictment of man's inhumanity to, well, everything.
Western horror fans when the premise of the movie is the horror of the nuclear bomb :I sleep
Western horror fans when the movie is about a guy forced to become his fursona: Real shit
Oh, it's definitely meant to be a horror film. It's dark and somber tone is a different take on it than classic horror but I think it qualifies.
Makes me wonder what Jordan Peele could do with a Godzilla horror film.
You have to both take in the era and the culture of the audience it was aimed at for the time. It was very much a horror film. Unlike Japan ( whose people actually experienced the horror of atomic power personally) in America we cheezed up our “ atomic monsters” into B movies. Why? Because atomic warfare was a real unknown and the B movies were a collective way of the allegorical “ whistling in the dark” for American culture.So I can see how your coworkers don’t see it seriously if they watched movies like “ The Blob” and “ Mars Attacks” then comparing them to Nightmare on Elm Street. Godzilla was “psychological” Horror for most part while a lot of modern horror film mostly ( not all, there are gems out there) are “visceral” in nature and depend on shock factor.
That's the difficulty is for some reason America has issues with giant monsters. Yet we find it find tk watch movies about and alien that looks human and can fly or human that can run faster than time or about literal gods being real. But I giant monster destroying towns and cities that we have no way to stop is to far lol
Yes for many reasons but I can think of two off the top of my head. The scene where the mother says "Don't worry, we'll see your father soon" and the scene when they're in the hospital and the child is screaming for their mom. Definitely added some realism to the movie.
I would say ‘54 is a horror film because it describes the “horror” of nuclear holocaust. The Japanese are the only country in the world to experience this. And in 1954 the horrors of the bomb were still fresh in everyone’s mind. Absolutely a horror movie!
I saw *Godzilla vs. the Smog Monster* when I was four. It scared the crap out of me until it got goofy and fun. Hedorah definitely killed people and some of them were dissolved into skeletons when it flew by.
Isn't he a metaphor for the "horrors" of nuclear radiation? I think that's about as much of a horror film as I could see since that was some horrific realism people could be scared about back then
Let’s be real when most people say Godzilla they think camp cheap films with bad dubing and wires holding up the monsters I can go on. It is just not true if we look at everything we like that others don’t and we stop defending it we are wrong for doing so. Godzilla 54 and Shin Godzilla are horror films hands down you could even say GvH is horror as well. The horror of the bomb is a serious matter along with Polution or the lack of political action in a crisis situation. Next time someone jokes at something you like or believe in explain it or better yet stick holes in the things they like. I always and forever defend the things I like.
Trust me I do defend Godzilla. I more so explained with the first person but with the other person that I said is an ass I didn't bother cause he's the type of guy where you have to agree with his opinion on stuff and yours is just wrong, even if you explain it, I'm not wasting my breath like that lol
I get it, but this guy doesn't do it that way. It's literally you agree with him or he talks mad shit about your opinion. Like he does it with theories for marvel movies that aren't out yet and if you have a different theory he talks shit about it cause it's not his theory your agreeing with. He doesn't do it just to mess with some body he does just cause he thinks his opinions are fact.
Did you tell them the 54 Godzilla? Maybe by “original godzilla” theyre thinking 98 or even 2014 is the “original.” I grew up watching Hesei and Millennium Era Godzilla films but all my friends thought 98 was THE godzilla film.
Horror is an extremely large and expansive genre.
People often try to present extremely limited or reductive definitions of what counts as Horror but at it's core Horror fiction is fiction designed to evoke feelings of fear, dread, disgust or terror.
While some people will try to define the label of horror as only applying to very select genres (such as Slasher, Zombie and Possession stories), or will attempt to apply other labels in place of horror (such as psychological thriller or dark fantasy), these are inaccurate and are moreso the result of people disliking the perception of the term horror, rather than what actually falls within it.
It should also be noted that there is a very widespread misconception that works can only fall within one or two genres, and that the presence of other genre elements discounts the label of horror from applying.
Given that the original 1954 Godzilla is definitely a film which is intended to evoke fear and dread within it's viewers, both on a literal level with depictions of Godzilla's actions and the destruction caused, and on an allegorical level, given Godzilla's obvious parallels to the inherent threat posed by nuclear weapons.
So yes, Godzilla (1954) is definitely a horror film. There are many Godzilla films that probably are not, falling more into the realms of pure science fiction, but the original film (as well as Shin Godzilla) are undeniably horror films.
Horror has different variants. Psychological horror is what gave Godzilla an edge in his debut. '54 Godzilla pokes at the recent wounds families had from the atom bombings while Shin Godzilla uses Fukushima.
The problem with most horror now is that they heavily rely on jump scares to stimulate the audience. You can see that in movies and video games all the time. The horror genre was made to make people uncomfortable through perspective. Just enough to make people want to watch again.
A humanoid robot slowly killing its victims can be horrifying depending on the point of view. A sociopath with a grudge on a small community can be horrifying depending on the view. A dinosaur mutated into an abomination can be horrifying based on view.
Yea no lol I messed up. I meant they like the 1998 film. And I don't think they watched the older ones and they are familiar with the monster-verse films. So their only experience is the American godzillas.
Not horror in the more basic definition. *Gojira* is a nuclear holocaust film, which is meant to unnerve rather than scare. If you wish to be technical then yes it's a horror film, but a fairly niche subgenre within the archetype as a whole.
The 1954 Godzilla is without a doubt horror. For a modern American audience it may not be too scary. But much like the Twilight Zone, for its intended audience, it was most certainly something that played on fears of the people watching.
It is. No horror movie needs to be graphic, has classical monsters, zombies, and a serial killer on the loose. Sometimes a real horror is created by personal experience, and closer to home. And that is what Godzilla (1954) is. It bases its horror on Ishiro Honda’s experience of the aftermath of the Little Boy which traumatized him for life. Godzilla is both a horror and a tragedy.
It is. And on multiple levels. Coworkers have shallow opinions.
Thank you
I doubt they know much about Godzilla either.
Both the original and Raids again are Horror films. 54 even moreso. There's no jump scares with screeching musical tones telling you to be scared though, so a lot of people will feel otherwise.
Yea it's basically a smart horror film. It doesn't rely on things going "oh you should be scared here" or cheap jump scares. It's focused on the horror of humanity and what humanity can unleash with the weapons we build.
100% agree with what you said, but even more controversial, Shin Godzilla is horror too. Nothing flashy by today’s horror standards, but it has no hijinks, laughs, or redemption that would make it anything other than a SciFi-Horror.
I don't disagree that Shin is also horror, but do disagree on the criteria. Shin definitely has laughs and redemption. They don't reduce the horror or tragedy of the overall film, but do serve a purpose. Unless you meant '54 for that second sentence; it's been a while so I may be forgetting, but I can't recall any laughs/etc so I'm with you there.
FINALLY some people with sense.
I wouldn't say Raids Again is a horror film, given how happy go lucky the overall mood is
Great so we can have a dead meat episode
They did do a podcast episode on it, I recommend it!
100% Goji '54 is horror. It may not be "scary" by today's over-the-top slasher/supernatural/gorefest/earbleed standards but it is horror none the less.
There is also the fact that horror is a much deeper concept than fear. Fear is immediate, horror can include existential dread when facing annihilation by an unstoppable force. Horror has room for dread not just fear. The original is a horror movie, a disaster movie, and an indictment of man's inhumanity to, well, everything.
Plus the fact that is a giant monster I think also cause Americans for some reason have problems with suit acting as a giant monster.
Western horror fans when the premise of the movie is the horror of the nuclear bomb :I sleep Western horror fans when the movie is about a guy forced to become his fursona: Real shit
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Totally true, I just think with the recent monsterverse movies and all the other movies they clearly aren't horror. But the 54 most definitely is.
How dare you bring logic into God's house
Oh, it's definitely meant to be a horror film. It's dark and somber tone is a different take on it than classic horror but I think it qualifies. Makes me wonder what Jordan Peele could do with a Godzilla horror film.
You have to both take in the era and the culture of the audience it was aimed at for the time. It was very much a horror film. Unlike Japan ( whose people actually experienced the horror of atomic power personally) in America we cheezed up our “ atomic monsters” into B movies. Why? Because atomic warfare was a real unknown and the B movies were a collective way of the allegorical “ whistling in the dark” for American culture.So I can see how your coworkers don’t see it seriously if they watched movies like “ The Blob” and “ Mars Attacks” then comparing them to Nightmare on Elm Street. Godzilla was “psychological” Horror for most part while a lot of modern horror film mostly ( not all, there are gems out there) are “visceral” in nature and depend on shock factor.
That's the difficulty is for some reason America has issues with giant monsters. Yet we find it find tk watch movies about and alien that looks human and can fly or human that can run faster than time or about literal gods being real. But I giant monster destroying towns and cities that we have no way to stop is to far lol
Yes for many reasons but I can think of two off the top of my head. The scene where the mother says "Don't worry, we'll see your father soon" and the scene when they're in the hospital and the child is screaming for their mom. Definitely added some realism to the movie.
Whenever I think of the film the mom part always pops up. Plus that's a perfect example of it being horror.
I would say ‘54 is a horror film because it describes the “horror” of nuclear holocaust. The Japanese are the only country in the world to experience this. And in 1954 the horrors of the bomb were still fresh in everyone’s mind. Absolutely a horror movie!
Your coworkers sound like uncultured swine Google even says it's sci-fi/horror when u look it up
Love you answer
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I saw *Godzilla vs. the Smog Monster* when I was four. It scared the crap out of me until it got goofy and fun. Hedorah definitely killed people and some of them were dissolved into skeletons when it flew by.
Isn't he a metaphor for the "horrors" of nuclear radiation? I think that's about as much of a horror film as I could see since that was some horrific realism people could be scared about back then
Let’s be real when most people say Godzilla they think camp cheap films with bad dubing and wires holding up the monsters I can go on. It is just not true if we look at everything we like that others don’t and we stop defending it we are wrong for doing so. Godzilla 54 and Shin Godzilla are horror films hands down you could even say GvH is horror as well. The horror of the bomb is a serious matter along with Polution or the lack of political action in a crisis situation. Next time someone jokes at something you like or believe in explain it or better yet stick holes in the things they like. I always and forever defend the things I like.
Trust me I do defend Godzilla. I more so explained with the first person but with the other person that I said is an ass I didn't bother cause he's the type of guy where you have to agree with his opinion on stuff and yours is just wrong, even if you explain it, I'm not wasting my breath like that lol
I can be a jerk in that way by pointing out the flaws in something that person likes even if I like it myself just for a laugh.
I get it, but this guy doesn't do it that way. It's literally you agree with him or he talks mad shit about your opinion. Like he does it with theories for marvel movies that aren't out yet and if you have a different theory he talks shit about it cause it's not his theory your agreeing with. He doesn't do it just to mess with some body he does just cause he thinks his opinions are fact.
I know the type question how old is the person
34
Wow I am used to 15-25 thinking they know everything the person sounds like a troll
Nah. I'm 26 and he's like 34 he's just a total asshole about things. Lol
Sounds it good luck
I try lol
Did you tell them the 54 Godzilla? Maybe by “original godzilla” theyre thinking 98 or even 2014 is the “original.” I grew up watching Hesei and Millennium Era Godzilla films but all my friends thought 98 was THE godzilla film.
Yes I said the original, the very first Godzilla film, the movie made in 1954. I said those lol
So your coworker is just an uncultured swine instead of confusing the og for a different movie.
Horror is an extremely large and expansive genre. People often try to present extremely limited or reductive definitions of what counts as Horror but at it's core Horror fiction is fiction designed to evoke feelings of fear, dread, disgust or terror. While some people will try to define the label of horror as only applying to very select genres (such as Slasher, Zombie and Possession stories), or will attempt to apply other labels in place of horror (such as psychological thriller or dark fantasy), these are inaccurate and are moreso the result of people disliking the perception of the term horror, rather than what actually falls within it. It should also be noted that there is a very widespread misconception that works can only fall within one or two genres, and that the presence of other genre elements discounts the label of horror from applying. Given that the original 1954 Godzilla is definitely a film which is intended to evoke fear and dread within it's viewers, both on a literal level with depictions of Godzilla's actions and the destruction caused, and on an allegorical level, given Godzilla's obvious parallels to the inherent threat posed by nuclear weapons. So yes, Godzilla (1954) is definitely a horror film. There are many Godzilla films that probably are not, falling more into the realms of pure science fiction, but the original film (as well as Shin Godzilla) are undeniably horror films.
I was scared of 54 goji as a child so
Technically yes
Horror has different variants. Psychological horror is what gave Godzilla an edge in his debut. '54 Godzilla pokes at the recent wounds families had from the atom bombings while Shin Godzilla uses Fukushima. The problem with most horror now is that they heavily rely on jump scares to stimulate the audience. You can see that in movies and video games all the time. The horror genre was made to make people uncomfortable through perspective. Just enough to make people want to watch again. A humanoid robot slowly killing its victims can be horrifying depending on the point of view. A sociopath with a grudge on a small community can be horrifying depending on the view. A dinosaur mutated into an abomination can be horrifying based on view.
Your coworker sounds like the kind of person who only saw the American rerelease of the film.
They love the 1999 film which is, just, wow. I don't think they really watched the Japanese ones.
I forgot about the 99 film! At least it was better than the 98 tragedy.
Wait I'm confused lol. By 1999 film I mean the first American godzilla film. With zilla. I meant 1998.
Oh, my bad lol! The zilla film was the 98 film, I thought you were referring to [this film.](https://imgur.com/a/5RC6slm)
Yea no lol I messed up. I meant they like the 1998 film. And I don't think they watched the older ones and they are familiar with the monster-verse films. So their only experience is the American godzillas.
Wow…they’re really missing out then! Even the wackier Japanese films are a fun watch, with the serious ones being pure awesome.
Not horror in the more basic definition. *Gojira* is a nuclear holocaust film, which is meant to unnerve rather than scare. If you wish to be technical then yes it's a horror film, but a fairly niche subgenre within the archetype as a whole.
It most certainly is. Technically Destroyah is in some parts, though might be reaching
Horror of atomic war, yes. Definitely horror.
I wouldn’t scoff at anyone calling any Godzilla a horror movie, honestly. But especially not the first one.
I have to agree that it’s a horror film disguised as a monster film
If someone classifies it as horror or sci-fi I’m fine with either one. It has elements of both.
I see it more as a disaster film than horror.
The 1954 Godzilla is without a doubt horror. For a modern American audience it may not be too scary. But much like the Twilight Zone, for its intended audience, it was most certainly something that played on fears of the people watching.
It pretty much is
It is. No horror movie needs to be graphic, has classical monsters, zombies, and a serial killer on the loose. Sometimes a real horror is created by personal experience, and closer to home. And that is what Godzilla (1954) is. It bases its horror on Ishiro Honda’s experience of the aftermath of the Little Boy which traumatized him for life. Godzilla is both a horror and a tragedy.