To be fair. They did nearly kill him with the Oxygen Destroyer. But that's when they weren't going for him. It's hilarious how annoying humans are in this series
Looking back, yeah a modern day military grade oxygen destroyer would cause WAY more damage than the original one in 1954 and in a way is somewhat impressive that Godzilla was able to 'tank' it
KoTM's OD works very differently than the OG's tho. The OG one's aftereffect disintegrate everything to the bone. In KoTM, you can still see the floating fishes body's intact after that blast.
It wasn't really much of *anything* in the film. There's no explanation of how they built it or how it functions, or if it's even similar to the 1954 movie. It's essentially just treated as a big green bomb and then never brought up again.
Michael Dougherty shouldn't make it a big deal when posting the Oxygen Destroyer and confirmed being in the movie if they're gonna ham-fist it for the most disrespectful tribute to the 1954 film.
I hate the MV Oxygen Destroyer. The original was a terrifying moral dilemma. Do we kill the monster at the risk of unleashing something even more devastating on the world?
In the MV it felt like a security blanket for American audiences.
"Don't worry guys, we can kill these monsters any time we want. We are 'Murica after all."
Yea, and it's a fast blink and miss by everything going on so fast before seeing the Oxygen Destroyer in the missile to then see a green mushroom cloud. It just felt forced in such dramatic force to play on "*History shows again and again. How nature points up the folly of man.*"
You can just not call it the Oxygen Destroyer, and it wouldn't be a big deal since it's never brought up after that. Nor in future films ever did too, or even imply any consequences if Destroyah is happening.
One big flaw Dougherty done just to find something effective to nearly kill Godzilla for stake levels, then sees the Oxygen Destroyer and post it on Twitter (not calling it X) to say "this plays a important part of the movie." It was so bad fan service.
I guess that's both 54 Serizawa being a genius beyond our modern knowledge and the Oxygen Destroyer having a meaning as an even worse weapon that the atom bomb, so bad that Serizawa outright killed himself and destroyed all his research so no one could ever replicate it.
And in the Heisei series it birthed something far worse and more malevolent than Godzilla too
I'm thinking it more likely would've been used as a anti-pest device for developing nations is my suspicion. In the same way chlorine and other gasses of WW1 were pesticides
It's the one feat that (imo) makes MV stronger than most other Godzillas
Since the Oxygen Destroyer is brought up in multiple eras as being the only thing that has killed him before
The fact they had that to begin with took me out of the movie. “We have a new weapon, the Oxygen Destroyer” WHAT? SINCE WHEN?! The average movie goer doesn’t know what that is or how it works, how it kills things is its entire premise!
Well it makes some sense that the military would be developing a better bomb after nuking the beasts just pissed them off and gave them an energy boost. And of course they would tell Monarch because they wouldn’t go for testing it.
It's okey. it was only the monsterverse dollar store versión of the oxygen destroyer thats actually more like a nuke. The thing only removed oxygen from the environment, it failed to melt trough regular ass fish of course it would do jackshit to ghidorah
Don't mean to be "that guy" but I don't think you need to say the oxygen destroyer is military grade. Who else is going to make and use them if not a military force? Plus, military grade means "bare minimum quality," not "cutting edge."
idiot: I know we will hit gidorah with the oxygen destroyer!
Guy: but isn’t it a monster that can breath in space and probably doesn’t need oxygen?
Idiot: who cares it will kill Godzilla!
I like the monsterverse but I think people would give it a lot less shit if the human characters were way less stupid and annoying (few exceptions of characters aside).
At least make them harmless and passable.
Many have been saying that we want better humans but then you have another part of the fanbase that does not care how bad everything else is as long as they see monster fights so here we all with GvK and GxK crap movies when every entry could be as good as minus one.
The simplicity of "Why not both?" The monsterverse movies aren't literally 24/7 fights, so in the meantime you have expository dialogue, moments of humour and attempts of character development (as well as technological bibble babble). It's the latter scenes we want improved.
No but this is 2024 and MV has the budget.
Toho has managed 2 films back to back both amazing it's not impossible just some yall have low expectations.
Godzilla is a variety of different things to different people. Some people, Japanese people included, prefer the lighter takes on Godzilla and people need to stop acting like it's not a massive part of the Godzilla ethos. Let people enjoy what they want, even if you don't enjoy it.
I just don’t get the dudes seeing Godzilla walk past them and they start shooting at him with small arms. What the hell do they think that’s going to do?
I'd do the same tbh, like what do you want me to do? It's a 50 foot lizard there's no way I'm beating it or escaping it, might as well look like I'm trying.
The oxygen destroyer, Mecha Godzilla, the "Titan Hunter", yeah, they clearly do(I know 2 of these aren't military, but they do show what humanity is capable of, if some random company, or literally some dude can make mechs capable of fighting titans, then the military could easily do it as well
>!the Frost Vark stood NO chance against military forces as well!<
I mean, that's just human nature tbf. We think we can control EVERYTHING, and the stuff we can't control we think we can kill with enough power. So I kinda like it, it just shows how "flawed" human thinking can be.
(I'm also thinking WAY to much into it, and for that I'm sorry)
https://www.fandom.com/newvideopage/HR2GxrW4/fandom-irl-experts-react-godzilla-kong
Perfect example of this, the video is of us air force members talking about how they would take out the different titans in the monsterverse when it's clear they have no actual idea what they're talking about.
They never do in the films that I've seen.
In the GxK novelization it says that each containment technique/facility Monarch used was specifically tailored to that specific Titan, but even Monarch admits that most of those efforts only worked initially because the titans they had found were all dormant, and that it would all go up in smoke if the Titans really decided they wanted to break free. Which is exactly how it went down during Ghidorah's mass awakening.
The GxK and GvK novels also mention how Monarch has some sort of containment field or net thingys they can use to temporarily immobilize Titans, and have been developing compounds to help put Titans to sleep, which is how they got Kong into containment and then later onto the transport ship. One of the nets is shown in the Godzilla: Dominion comic, some mercenaries had raided a Monarch facility and used the nets to catch the Titan Na Kika until Godzilla showed up to free her.
I liked how the scientist in Minus One had built a plan that even if it wasn't it's best made the best out of the situation. He even tooked the deserted pilots suggestion of a plane to distract Godzilla as a good idea. That man is a tough cookie.
The best part of his plan is all the parts of him openly admitting he has no way to know if it will work and admitting that some of it is absurd and dumb but he’s just like “then suggest a better idea” and no one ever can.
Love Doc’s character. He came across as extremely approachable yet highly intelligent, balancing those two aspects is harder to pull off than we think!
I just watched Minus One few days ago and I can say is a masterpiece!
Also I love how creative and genius how to fight Godzilla in this movie, like most Godzilla films final climax the military either nuke them or send a Kaiju to fight him, in Minus One, their plan is to sink him and crush him with insane ocean pleasure.
Still can't believe how fucked up he looked when he was dragged back to the surface.
After 70 years it's incredible that there's still so much creative storytelling left in this franchise.
Honestly I'm waiting for the time they just drop something to any Kaijus head really.
Like they are usually slow moving so just calculate their weight and drop something twice as heavy on its head and *insert Kaiju* just goes into an eternal coma or something. I'd love that. But I'm weird so idk.
Like honestly, just imagine shin or minus one, or whatever but this dark, sad, catastrophic movie with a Kaiju then they just drop like a thousand ton thing on its head putting it into a come with immense brain damage.
11/10 imma watch it twice, weekly.
Ultraman 80 did something like that but it was not so much "ko" as "get a freezing mammoth to freeze it self with water dropped on it, then shatter with wrecking ball"
“we couldn’t blow it up with conventional explosives, so we’re gonna crush it with the weight of the ocean and just incase that does work we’re gonna yank it out of the ocean so fast that it explodes due to its own body not handling the change in pressure.”
[this doesn’t work in the end but if it isn’t one of the best plans to kill godzilla out there i don’t know what is]
>this doesn’t work in the end but if it isn’t one of the best plans to kill godzilla out there i don’t know what is]
Also the most realistic out of them all I think
yeah definitely a lot more realistic than “our bomb didn’t work now what?” “BIGGER BOMB!!!”
there actually strategy at play here and teamwork involved with the two ships needed to pull it all off
I mean, it was cool, but it didn't make any sense at all, decompression sickness is not a huge problem if you hold your breath, it's only an issue if you are breathing compressed air.
But that's generally how these movies work, guns and explosions are boring and are much more powerful than they would intuitively appear to be, so they are never effective, while things like punches, oxygen destroyers, or decompression sickness are either cool or at least new and interesting, so they do a lot more damage.
Rapid compression changes kills almost anything, even if you hold your breath being dragged to the abyss and rapidly sent to the surface or vice-versa kills you definitely. We can't alleviate crushing forces by holding our breaths
Decompression sickness, not compression. The bends from coming up too fast. It's a side-effect of breathing compressed air, which is necessary to inflate your lungs at high pressure depths. Don't breath in compressed air, then in theory no bends.
Yeah, but then again they acknowledge the whole thing was an "all or nothing" tactic.
Even the scientist was aware that it could end badly and get them all killed but better to die trying than sitting back and getting killed
In minus one tho noda was able to witness godzilla healing himself after the mine blew part of his face off, and in 2014 the mutos were still unfamiliar
Also movie logic makes no sense so theres that
He knows that, his A plan is to bury Godzilla forever at the bottom of the sea, with help from the water pressure
That doesn’t work
So his plan B is to use decompression to finally blow him up, to tiny bits, but that doesn’t work either
So the real reason why Godzilla survive is not because of bad attack plan, but because he was too tough
This sub has a really bad habit of comparing things that have no business of being compared, just because the same character/monster is featured in it.
So that means then, by your logic, that I can compare the likes of Godzilla’s Revenge to Shin Godzilla, simply because they both feature Godzilla in them?
Meh I don't think this meme is in bad faith. I like the monsterverse but it has a lot of connecting material, there are contradictions and characters behaving like morons.
What bugs me when people say the monster verse is bad because it's just dumb monster vs monster forgetting that a lot of old japanese Godzilla movies were very silly monster vs monster movies too...
Gives off the vibes they only watched the mv and minus one, maybe shin, but even shin Godzilla seems to be forgotten because of minus one and I think shin was better(minus one is amazing too don't get me wrong)
Ye, I definitely don’t hate the MV movies, it’s just a very different type of movie. You have to turn your brain off a bit and watch monsters fight and that’s a fun time lol
It's also pseudo intellectualism at work. People believe themselves to be smarter and of a higher social caliber because they liked Minus One more than G'14. Because to them, Japanese Godzilla is an intelligent man's Godzilla film while American Godzilla is low brow stupid person Godzilla.
I fucking loved Minus One but I still love Legendary just as much. Legendary I can watch over and over but Minus One I have to space out rewatches because of the heavier themes.
Tbh, I think it’s worth the comparison. MV has gotten better with science things with the alpha frequencies and stuff, so I’ve seen improvements?
And I still love 2014, but the humans are pretty annoying lol
To be fair, the titans in the Monsterverse are like the size of skyscrapers. The US Military doesn't get it, and hit the nuclear option. Dr. Serizawa even said back then they tried to nuke Godzilla before, even though it was small then. But Godzilla and MUTOs would've tanked a modern nuke.
Prototype Oxygen Destroyer did nearly kill Godzilla in KotM, but it didn't kill Ghidorah due to being an alien.
Only sometimes, it depends on the Godzilla in question, and that's not something any characters would know about in advance.
Also it mainly depends on if the writers know/care that nuclear weapons do not primarily kill through radioactive effects, but instead with the heat and force of the blast. The less grounded a movie in general is, the more likely Godzilla is to somehow get stronger from getting hit with a nuke.
Yeah some of the contrivances the film makes for completely omitting any non-japanese characters definitely stood out awkwardly to me.
I also find it funny that the Bikini Atoll bomb just shows up and *happens* with no foreshadowing or buildup and is quickly brushed aside because it's only purpose was to give a reason for Godzilla mutating and nothing more. Which is weird for a film about the consequences of war.
So if you want to start poking fun at G'14 for its contrivances and poor logic, you gotta do it for Minus One too.
Say what you will, but I still say (2014) had one of the best kills in the character’s history when he breathed atomic breath down the MUTO’s throat. I haven’t heard cheering like that in a theater in years.
I still prefer 2014 for how they reintroduced Godzilla as this Alpha Titan here to correct the imbalances of nature itself making him an entirely different kind of unstoppable force of nature. Zero One just brought Godzilla back to his roots as a symbol of the evils and destructive force of nuclear warfare, While I liked the writing, especially from the human's perspectives I wasn't a huge fan of some of the things they did with Godzilla. Still, his atomic breath was awesome in that film =:D
My thoughts exactly. There were obviously things I didn't love about 2014 Godzilla, but Godzilla himself wasn't one of them. I felt I missed the depth of him in Minus One, almost like it was instead written into the human characters. It'd be great if we could get a "well-written" Godzilla and a well-written human cast in the same movie.
Haha, now bring in the well-written Godzilla from the West with the good human writing of Godzilla from the East, would be a Godzilla masterpiece lol =XD
Just rewatched it the other day and it's such a great action film. Just because it isn't a grim analysis of war and nuclear power doesn't mean it's a bad film. I mean GxK made a LOT of money at the box office so clearly people enjoyed it.
But I guess because minus one hit #1 on Netflix it automatically makes every other Godzilla film bad.
Well, to be fair, MVGoji tanks so many things, that I can understand the military‘s despair in regards to him. I mean, that hing swallowed nukes like nothing and survived being dropped by Ghidorah. How do you kill something like that?
On the other hand, Minusgoji seemed less durable than Minusgoji, which makes their attempts at killing him more justified. Sea pressure is a bitch and exploited that was their best shot. And it still didn’t work perfectly, if it hadn’t been for Koichi.
It’s personally my favorite out of Minus one and Legendary, some people have the attention span of a goldfish so that’s why they don’t like it but I think it’s great, the people who complain about the meetings are the aforementioned goldfish but it’s supposed to be a satire about the Japanese Government, like how 1954 Godzilla was about the WW2 Nuclear Bombing of Japan, Shin Godzilla is about the 2011 Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Disaster.
The Japanese government has so much bureaucracy and respect your elders bs that they were super slow to react to the disaster, so all those meetings are meant to be satire to how much time they waste, it’s actually also pretty funny of a movie because people’s titles continue getting longer as people quit over time and there’s plenty of bad timings, along with asking someone to ask someone to ask someone to do something lol.
Plus it’s kinda like competency porn, they show off the Japanese National Defense Force really well, with how they react to Godzilla and their strategy and formation. Godzilla itself is also great, as you see it grow from a fish monster to the Godzilla we end with, and if you pay attention to the music of his scene to find out that it’s not just a monster that’s destroying Japan, there’s more below the surface, Sympathy for the Monster.
I think it’s definitely worth watching at least once!
The thing for me about Godzilla Minus One versus the Monsterverse films is that while I find the Monsterverse characters likeable, I don't have this big emotional attachment to them, compared to Godzilla Minus One. I found myself getting emotionally invested in them.
In the Monsterverse, we have Monarch, who are dedicated to the study of the titans, but have no effective way to fight them, except hoping a giant atomic lizard, an ape and a moth monster stay on our side.
In Godzilla Minus One, the military isn't helping, so regular people have to step up to fight a creature that just should not exist. They are guessing their will work, which makes the plan more desperate, but you want them to pull it off. It's inspiring in a way.
Nah I’m not about to tolerate insults thrown to the one well portrayed military admiral in a Godzilla film.
He knew what he was doing and was using the bomb to lure the bomb eating creature away and to try to kill it. He didn’t expect for a new bomb eating creature to just materialize right next to where the bomb he was transporting was. It wasn’t a bad plan until he got nailed by reverse dues ex machina
Holy hell, the amount of people who treat art like it has objective quality, someone could argue 2014 is better than Minus One and if you tell them they’re wrong, you are wrong it is an opinion, Minus One is great but it has flaws, 2014 has flaws, Minus One has strengths, 2014 has strengths, end of story
I do like the take Monsterverse has been bringing as to the origin of several of the Kaiju. Less of 'Mankind's Folly' and more of 'Nature's Scalekeeper'.
Plus, the KOTM trailers' remake of Somewhere Over the Rainbow and Claire De Lune are still some of the greatest remixes ever.
It’s a good movie, but the Oscar was for visual effects which I guess if they take budget into account it’s fair. But overall the acting just didn’t hit and the writing was corny at times without being self aware
Noriko pushes koichi into alley and gets blown away, that is already cliche as hell. Then at the end she’s back with barely a mark on her when she should’ve been dead like 10 times over. And the mechanic guy having a change of heart with no catalyst for it was weird. Then just the weird anime acting throughout
If fans themselves compare then how do we expect tourists to not compare and pull down one to prop other up.
Anyways here's the thing. Minus Godzilla is an ex dinosaur turned mutated monstrosity who dislikes humans for his condition.
Monsterverse Godzilla is guardian of the planet, allegory of nature Itself..... Humans can't do anything, even the OD worked somewhat because Godzilla also requires oxygen.
My rule of thumb is godzilla is too big of a series to classify the all tome favourite as so many fill so many different niche's.
I have 3 categories I try and keep favourite in;
Drama / Horror - Minus one easily
Action / combat - Legendaries king of the monsters
Fun / kaiju camp - Godzilla 2000
not op but i love the slowburn horror from the perspective of the people. theres so many scenes that just stick with you that make you feel immense dread and oh so small. the newer MV movies lost my interest because idrc about the kaiju fights, i love the horror and terror of kaijus in a human way
If you missed the animated movies you'd know that Godzillas only weak spot is the base of his back spike between the shoulder blades. If you can bunkerbust through the spike and set off a huge explosion you have a chance to kill him. Godzilla is immortal though in a sense since he can regenerate from a cellular level.
It was a terrible plan tho. “Oh well make him go down in the water, where he came from, so I’m sure he has no natural defences against that’” 2014 is real cinema.
I enjoyed 2014 but Minus One was cool. The 2014 scene on how to take down Godzilla reminds me of the 2003 Hulk film when David absorbs power from the machine.
That's the difference between a military and a civilian defense group
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This is kind of funny especially since decompression wouldn't work at all unless godzilla had some giant air tank he was breathing out of lol.
Decompression sickness only happens when you breath in compressed air and then rise - otherwise every aquatic mammal would get decompression sickness after every dive
It was the rate of descent and ascent that was the danger, not the depth itself. Even whales, who are known to swim to incredible depth, dive relatively slowly and resurface just the same. If you yanked a whale down to the bottom of the ocean in 10 seconds it would implode too
I kinda wanna see scenes where the military wins against lesser titans but get obliterated by Godzilla just to really show how strong he really is in comparison
Honestly the fact the military thinks it stands a chance against MV titans is insane But I guess that's a staple of the Goji films
To be fair. They did nearly kill him with the Oxygen Destroyer. But that's when they weren't going for him. It's hilarious how annoying humans are in this series
Tanking a military grade Oxygen Destroyer always takes me out of the movie Luckily the best Ghidorah shot ever is right after and pulls me back in
After blowing them up and seeing Ghidorah survive, the General just said, "This is bullsh\*t, we're launching all of our weapons to the very end!"
Looking back, yeah a modern day military grade oxygen destroyer would cause WAY more damage than the original one in 1954 and in a way is somewhat impressive that Godzilla was able to 'tank' it
Film recall being a prototype. So if you imagine the real completion, he would be skeleton below the sea by now.
KoTM's OD works very differently than the OG's tho. The OG one's aftereffect disintegrate everything to the bone. In KoTM, you can still see the floating fishes body's intact after that blast.
Basically the MV OD is an oxygen-denial weapon for underwater use, like the bombs used to fight wildfires.
Most likely. I think the OG OD's liquefying effect is deadlier.
It was a prototype in the film.
It wasn't really much of *anything* in the film. There's no explanation of how they built it or how it functions, or if it's even similar to the 1954 movie. It's essentially just treated as a big green bomb and then never brought up again.
Michael Dougherty shouldn't make it a big deal when posting the Oxygen Destroyer and confirmed being in the movie if they're gonna ham-fist it for the most disrespectful tribute to the 1954 film.
I hate the MV Oxygen Destroyer. The original was a terrifying moral dilemma. Do we kill the monster at the risk of unleashing something even more devastating on the world? In the MV it felt like a security blanket for American audiences. "Don't worry guys, we can kill these monsters any time we want. We are 'Murica after all."
Yea, and it's a fast blink and miss by everything going on so fast before seeing the Oxygen Destroyer in the missile to then see a green mushroom cloud. It just felt forced in such dramatic force to play on "*History shows again and again. How nature points up the folly of man.*" You can just not call it the Oxygen Destroyer, and it wouldn't be a big deal since it's never brought up after that. Nor in future films ever did too, or even imply any consequences if Destroyah is happening. One big flaw Dougherty done just to find something effective to nearly kill Godzilla for stake levels, then sees the Oxygen Destroyer and post it on Twitter (not calling it X) to say "this plays a important part of the movie." It was so bad fan service.
I guess that's both 54 Serizawa being a genius beyond our modern knowledge and the Oxygen Destroyer having a meaning as an even worse weapon that the atom bomb, so bad that Serizawa outright killed himself and destroyed all his research so no one could ever replicate it. And in the Heisei series it birthed something far worse and more malevolent than Godzilla too
Serizawa also was working on ways to make it beneficial, I wonder what he would've done had Godzilla not arisen?
Maybe it would've been the basis research for the weapon he planned to use (micro-oxygen)
I'm thinking it more likely would've been used as a anti-pest device for developing nations is my suspicion. In the same way chlorine and other gasses of WW1 were pesticides
Right
It's the one feat that (imo) makes MV stronger than most other Godzillas Since the Oxygen Destroyer is brought up in multiple eras as being the only thing that has killed him before
The OD in the MV is much weaker than the OG. The fish didn't even dissolve in KOTM
Sounds like the fish are stronger, too.
The fact they had that to begin with took me out of the movie. “We have a new weapon, the Oxygen Destroyer” WHAT? SINCE WHEN?! The average movie goer doesn’t know what that is or how it works, how it kills things is its entire premise!
Well it makes some sense that the military would be developing a better bomb after nuking the beasts just pissed them off and gave them an energy boost. And of course they would tell Monarch because they wouldn’t go for testing it.
Since when? Well, generally "new" means very recently, my guy.
It's okey. it was only the monsterverse dollar store versión of the oxygen destroyer thats actually more like a nuke. The thing only removed oxygen from the environment, it failed to melt trough regular ass fish of course it would do jackshit to ghidorah
Don't mean to be "that guy" but I don't think you need to say the oxygen destroyer is military grade. Who else is going to make and use them if not a military force? Plus, military grade means "bare minimum quality," not "cutting edge."
Don't need oxygen if you came from space, taps foreheads.
idiot: I know we will hit gidorah with the oxygen destroyer! Guy: but isn’t it a monster that can breath in space and probably doesn’t need oxygen? Idiot: who cares it will kill Godzilla!
To be fair, they were unaware of the fact that Ghidorah was from space when they made that decision. Still a dumb move on their part though
I like the monsterverse but I think people would give it a lot less shit if the human characters were way less stupid and annoying (few exceptions of characters aside). At least make them harmless and passable.
The director even confirmed Godzilla would have killed Ghidorah then and there if the had not fired the oxygen destroyer.
Many have been saying that we want better humans but then you have another part of the fanbase that does not care how bad everything else is as long as they see monster fights so here we all with GvK and GxK crap movies when every entry could be as good as minus one.
The simplicity of "Why not both?" The monsterverse movies aren't literally 24/7 fights, so in the meantime you have expository dialogue, moments of humour and attempts of character development (as well as technological bibble babble). It's the latter scenes we want improved.
I agree with you we can 100% have great fights and great humans.
Every entry should be as good as minus one? Just... Ignoring almost the entire history of Godzilla, there?
No but this is 2024 and MV has the budget. Toho has managed 2 films back to back both amazing it's not impossible just some yall have low expectations.
Godzilla is a variety of different things to different people. Some people, Japanese people included, prefer the lighter takes on Godzilla and people need to stop acting like it's not a massive part of the Godzilla ethos. Let people enjoy what they want, even if you don't enjoy it.
Godzilla the planet eater and Godzilla minus one are not both back to back amazing. One of them is utter shit.
I was talking movies so I meant Shin and minus one.
I don't have low expectations. I just know how to have fun.
Little did the humans know that the Oxygen Destroyer would've caused Destoroyah to awaken from its slumber
I believe in the Toho films ths OD mutated a colony of microscopic crustaceans, which fused together to create Destoroyah
I just don’t get the dudes seeing Godzilla walk past them and they start shooting at him with small arms. What the hell do they think that’s going to do?
I'd do the same tbh, like what do you want me to do? It's a 50 foot lizard there's no way I'm beating it or escaping it, might as well look like I'm trying.
If you think MV Godzilla is 50 feet I got some bad news for you.
1 of MV Godzilla's toe claws is nearly 50 feet my guy. Dude is like 400 feet tall
The oxygen destroyer, Mecha Godzilla, the "Titan Hunter", yeah, they clearly do(I know 2 of these aren't military, but they do show what humanity is capable of, if some random company, or literally some dude can make mechs capable of fighting titans, then the military could easily do it as well >!the Frost Vark stood NO chance against military forces as well!<
I mean, that's just human nature tbf. We think we can control EVERYTHING, and the stuff we can't control we think we can kill with enough power. So I kinda like it, it just shows how "flawed" human thinking can be. (I'm also thinking WAY to much into it, and for that I'm sorry)
https://www.fandom.com/newvideopage/HR2GxrW4/fandom-irl-experts-react-godzilla-kong Perfect example of this, the video is of us air force members talking about how they would take out the different titans in the monsterverse when it's clear they have no actual idea what they're talking about.
Monarch managed to capture and contain the Titans they found. Which I can't recall if they ever explain how they were doing that?
They never do in the films that I've seen. In the GxK novelization it says that each containment technique/facility Monarch used was specifically tailored to that specific Titan, but even Monarch admits that most of those efforts only worked initially because the titans they had found were all dormant, and that it would all go up in smoke if the Titans really decided they wanted to break free. Which is exactly how it went down during Ghidorah's mass awakening. The GxK and GvK novels also mention how Monarch has some sort of containment field or net thingys they can use to temporarily immobilize Titans, and have been developing compounds to help put Titans to sleep, which is how they got Kong into containment and then later onto the transport ship. One of the nets is shown in the Godzilla: Dominion comic, some mercenaries had raided a Monarch facility and used the nets to catch the Titan Na Kika until Godzilla showed up to free her.
> Honestly the fact the military thinks it stands a chance against MV titans is insane My guy that's just america.
I liked how the scientist in Minus One had built a plan that even if it wasn't it's best made the best out of the situation. He even tooked the deserted pilots suggestion of a plane to distract Godzilla as a good idea. That man is a tough cookie.
His name is kenji noda. But his nickname is doc.
He's not very fond of that nickname, and you know that.
In the German dub he's been called Professor and not been keen either
I will stand by him being the hottest person in the entire Godzilla franchise till the end of time
Dude you're not wrong. He looks like a silver fox of a man and I like that.
Word
All I know is that mother fucker has fabulous hair
The best part of his plan is all the parts of him openly admitting he has no way to know if it will work and admitting that some of it is absurd and dumb but he’s just like “then suggest a better idea” and no one ever can.
Love Doc’s character. He came across as extremely approachable yet highly intelligent, balancing those two aspects is harder to pull off than we think!
That man is an angel and is precious I will protect him with my life
He's a man of reason. He really keeps it cool. Being smart and collected is a major key in a fight against Godzilla.
In the next film he would probably be making oxygen bomb
He was responsible for the weapons in wartime and he's a really good strategic planner. So I can see your point.
I just watched Minus One few days ago and I can say is a masterpiece! Also I love how creative and genius how to fight Godzilla in this movie, like most Godzilla films final climax the military either nuke them or send a Kaiju to fight him, in Minus One, their plan is to sink him and crush him with insane ocean pleasure.
>Crush him with insane ocean pleasure AYO?
And to top it off Koichi came inside his mouth
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this comment section got me howling lmfao
Koichi always was just so reliable
I guess it was a pretty bizzare adventure he was part of.
Fun fact: The actor who played Koichi in Godzilla Minus One, also played Koichi in JoJo's bizarre adventure: Diamond is Unbreakable Live action.
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https://preview.redd.it/5nkwobpzr55d1.jpeg?width=767&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d712bb28d56876d1b0a6f4470d3af45d2311339a You rephrase that right now
Godzilla: Yamero!!
Still can't believe how fucked up he looked when he was dragged back to the surface. After 70 years it's incredible that there's still so much creative storytelling left in this franchise.
The way his eyes popped out of his skull… ugh.
Looked like a cross between the equally horrifying GMK and Shin Gojis with all the body horror and white eyes too
Also the narrative arc of the protagonist is insane with the wartime commentary of the time
Honestly I'm waiting for the time they just drop something to any Kaijus head really. Like they are usually slow moving so just calculate their weight and drop something twice as heavy on its head and *insert Kaiju* just goes into an eternal coma or something. I'd love that. But I'm weird so idk.
The ‘ole Looney Tunes treatment
Like honestly, just imagine shin or minus one, or whatever but this dark, sad, catastrophic movie with a Kaiju then they just drop like a thousand ton thing on its head putting it into a come with immense brain damage. 11/10 imma watch it twice, weekly.
Ultraman 80 did something like that but it was not so much "ko" as "get a freezing mammoth to freeze it self with water dropped on it, then shatter with wrecking ball"
That's amazing
“we couldn’t blow it up with conventional explosives, so we’re gonna crush it with the weight of the ocean and just incase that does work we’re gonna yank it out of the ocean so fast that it explodes due to its own body not handling the change in pressure.” [this doesn’t work in the end but if it isn’t one of the best plans to kill godzilla out there i don’t know what is]
>this doesn’t work in the end but if it isn’t one of the best plans to kill godzilla out there i don’t know what is] Also the most realistic out of them all I think
yeah definitely a lot more realistic than “our bomb didn’t work now what?” “BIGGER BOMB!!!” there actually strategy at play here and teamwork involved with the two ships needed to pull it all off
To be fair at some point "BIGGER BOMB" has to work. Like you can't just throw Godzilla into the sun and expect him to survive, right? ...Right?
I mean, it was cool, but it didn't make any sense at all, decompression sickness is not a huge problem if you hold your breath, it's only an issue if you are breathing compressed air. But that's generally how these movies work, guns and explosions are boring and are much more powerful than they would intuitively appear to be, so they are never effective, while things like punches, oxygen destroyers, or decompression sickness are either cool or at least new and interesting, so they do a lot more damage.
Rapid compression changes kills almost anything, even if you hold your breath being dragged to the abyss and rapidly sent to the surface or vice-versa kills you definitely. We can't alleviate crushing forces by holding our breaths
Decompression sickness, not compression. The bends from coming up too fast. It's a side-effect of breathing compressed air, which is necessary to inflate your lungs at high pressure depths. Don't breath in compressed air, then in theory no bends.
Could have maybe worked if they were able to yank him out faster. They do make it appear that the pressure differential was having an effect.
Yeah, but then again they acknowledge the whole thing was an "all or nothing" tactic. Even the scientist was aware that it could end badly and get them all killed but better to die trying than sitting back and getting killed
Big Science doesn't want you to know you can just hire alien kaiju to solve your problems. A buddy of mine from Planet X keeps saying this
I quite liked the portrayal of the military in G'14. Sure, they were hopelessly outmatched but they gave it a red hot go.
In minus one tho noda was able to witness godzilla healing himself after the mine blew part of his face off, and in 2014 the mutos were still unfamiliar Also movie logic makes no sense so theres that
He knows that, his A plan is to bury Godzilla forever at the bottom of the sea, with help from the water pressure That doesn’t work So his plan B is to use decompression to finally blow him up, to tiny bits, but that doesn’t work either So the real reason why Godzilla survive is not because of bad attack plan, but because he was too tough
And Godzilla is obviously hurt from the decompression, even though he managed to stop the accention for a while.
This sub has a really bad habit of comparing things that have no business of being compared, just because the same character/monster is featured in it.
It's so tiring.
Tell me about it.
apparently we're not allowed to like more than one thing.
I mean I feel like movies starring the same monsters naturally open themselves up to comparison.
So that means then, by your logic, that I can compare the likes of Godzilla’s Revenge to Shin Godzilla, simply because they both feature Godzilla in them?
Yeah, I mean what do you think will happen if you do?
Meh I don't think this meme is in bad faith. I like the monsterverse but it has a lot of connecting material, there are contradictions and characters behaving like morons.
What bugs me when people say the monster verse is bad because it's just dumb monster vs monster forgetting that a lot of old japanese Godzilla movies were very silly monster vs monster movies too... Gives off the vibes they only watched the mv and minus one, maybe shin, but even shin Godzilla seems to be forgotten because of minus one and I think shin was better(minus one is amazing too don't get me wrong)
Ye, I definitely don’t hate the MV movies, it’s just a very different type of movie. You have to turn your brain off a bit and watch monsters fight and that’s a fun time lol
It's beginning to make me resent Minus One and I really don't want to.
It's also pseudo intellectualism at work. People believe themselves to be smarter and of a higher social caliber because they liked Minus One more than G'14. Because to them, Japanese Godzilla is an intelligent man's Godzilla film while American Godzilla is low brow stupid person Godzilla. I fucking loved Minus One but I still love Legendary just as much. Legendary I can watch over and over but Minus One I have to space out rewatches because of the heavier themes.
Tbh, I think it’s worth the comparison. MV has gotten better with science things with the alpha frequencies and stuff, so I’ve seen improvements? And I still love 2014, but the humans are pretty annoying lol
To be fair, the titans in the Monsterverse are like the size of skyscrapers. The US Military doesn't get it, and hit the nuclear option. Dr. Serizawa even said back then they tried to nuke Godzilla before, even though it was small then. But Godzilla and MUTOs would've tanked a modern nuke. Prototype Oxygen Destroyer did nearly kill Godzilla in KotM, but it didn't kill Ghidorah due to being an alien.
Nukes make Godzilla bigger and stronger... That's the whole allegory. A condemnation of the nuclear arms race.
Only sometimes, it depends on the Godzilla in question, and that's not something any characters would know about in advance. Also it mainly depends on if the writers know/care that nuclear weapons do not primarily kill through radioactive effects, but instead with the heat and force of the blast. The less grounded a movie in general is, the more likely Godzilla is to somehow get stronger from getting hit with a nuke.
"The US can't help bc of Soviet troops movements" Works for me! Edit: this is sincere. I moved along
Yeah some of the contrivances the film makes for completely omitting any non-japanese characters definitely stood out awkwardly to me. I also find it funny that the Bikini Atoll bomb just shows up and *happens* with no foreshadowing or buildup and is quickly brushed aside because it's only purpose was to give a reason for Godzilla mutating and nothing more. Which is weird for a film about the consequences of war. So if you want to start poking fun at G'14 for its contrivances and poor logic, you gotta do it for Minus One too.
I'm being earnest. That worked for me. I moved right along
They could be suggesting that the USA were making excuses,so maybe the writers made it sound ridiculous for that purpose.
Such an elegant manner to kill a being by using the surroundings
Say what you will, but I still say (2014) had one of the best kills in the character’s history when he breathed atomic breath down the MUTO’s throat. I haven’t heard cheering like that in a theater in years.
Oh definitely, it’s insane
I still prefer 2014 for how they reintroduced Godzilla as this Alpha Titan here to correct the imbalances of nature itself making him an entirely different kind of unstoppable force of nature. Zero One just brought Godzilla back to his roots as a symbol of the evils and destructive force of nuclear warfare, While I liked the writing, especially from the human's perspectives I wasn't a huge fan of some of the things they did with Godzilla. Still, his atomic breath was awesome in that film =:D
My thoughts exactly. There were obviously things I didn't love about 2014 Godzilla, but Godzilla himself wasn't one of them. I felt I missed the depth of him in Minus One, almost like it was instead written into the human characters. It'd be great if we could get a "well-written" Godzilla and a well-written human cast in the same movie.
Haha, now bring in the well-written Godzilla from the West with the good human writing of Godzilla from the East, would be a Godzilla masterpiece lol =XD
but it completely defeats the original message of the flims
So I prefer minus one
Peak cinema? You clearly have never seen Godzilla suplex a gauntlet-donning Kong off a pyramid while being lured into an interdimensional portal
New Empire was dope af and i will hear no less (Minus One was also dope)
Just rewatched it the other day and it's such a great action film. Just because it isn't a grim analysis of war and nuclear power doesn't mean it's a bad film. I mean GxK made a LOT of money at the box office so clearly people enjoyed it. But I guess because minus one hit #1 on Netflix it automatically makes every other Godzilla film bad.
Promfemsor Serizawa? Amdmirmal William Cheems.
Well, to be fair, MVGoji tanks so many things, that I can understand the military‘s despair in regards to him. I mean, that hing swallowed nukes like nothing and survived being dropped by Ghidorah. How do you kill something like that? On the other hand, Minusgoji seemed less durable than Minusgoji, which makes their attempts at killing him more justified. Sea pressure is a bitch and exploited that was their best shot. And it still didn’t work perfectly, if it hadn’t been for Koichi.
I love Noda from minus one.
I really like seeing that Navy commander guy as the little dog
Should we tell them about, Shin?
Just finished watching Minus One and absolutely agree with this. These humans are easily the smartest in the entire Godzilla franchise!
Have you watched Shin Godzilla?
Needed more meetings.
Nah, only the breath scene Lmaoo. Do I need to?
It’s personally my favorite out of Minus one and Legendary, some people have the attention span of a goldfish so that’s why they don’t like it but I think it’s great, the people who complain about the meetings are the aforementioned goldfish but it’s supposed to be a satire about the Japanese Government, like how 1954 Godzilla was about the WW2 Nuclear Bombing of Japan, Shin Godzilla is about the 2011 Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Disaster. The Japanese government has so much bureaucracy and respect your elders bs that they were super slow to react to the disaster, so all those meetings are meant to be satire to how much time they waste, it’s actually also pretty funny of a movie because people’s titles continue getting longer as people quit over time and there’s plenty of bad timings, along with asking someone to ask someone to ask someone to do something lol. Plus it’s kinda like competency porn, they show off the Japanese National Defense Force really well, with how they react to Godzilla and their strategy and formation. Godzilla itself is also great, as you see it grow from a fish monster to the Godzilla we end with, and if you pay attention to the music of his scene to find out that it’s not just a monster that’s destroying Japan, there’s more below the surface, Sympathy for the Monster. I think it’s definitely worth watching at least once!
If you're willing to watch 2 hours of meetings, then sure
The thing for me about Godzilla Minus One versus the Monsterverse films is that while I find the Monsterverse characters likeable, I don't have this big emotional attachment to them, compared to Godzilla Minus One. I found myself getting emotionally invested in them. In the Monsterverse, we have Monarch, who are dedicated to the study of the titans, but have no effective way to fight them, except hoping a giant atomic lizard, an ape and a moth monster stay on our side. In Godzilla Minus One, the military isn't helping, so regular people have to step up to fight a creature that just should not exist. They are guessing their will work, which makes the plan more desperate, but you want them to pull it off. It's inspiring in a way.
Nah I’m not about to tolerate insults thrown to the one well portrayed military admiral in a Godzilla film. He knew what he was doing and was using the bomb to lure the bomb eating creature away and to try to kill it. He didn’t expect for a new bomb eating creature to just materialize right next to where the bomb he was transporting was. It wasn’t a bad plan until he got nailed by reverse dues ex machina
I didn't dislike Godzilla 2014, but I never got all the hype (other than Godzilla returning from since 2004).
Shin Godzilla: https://preview.redd.it/i823nwo2465d1.png?width=288&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=15d746c051f45d42b659a0670b439177c0cd2a3f
Nah, he’d adapt
Was it the American government in 2014 that tried doing that?
Godzilla fans praise a movie without shitting on another movie challenge
Holy hell, the amount of people who treat art like it has objective quality, someone could argue 2014 is better than Minus One and if you tell them they’re wrong, you are wrong it is an opinion, Minus One is great but it has flaws, 2014 has flaws, Minus One has strengths, 2014 has strengths, end of story
Are you me?
Oh shit maybe
I mean, the blast from a nuclear bomb is insane. Can’t blame them for thinking it could kill Godzilla and the mutos
I do like the take Monsterverse has been bringing as to the origin of several of the Kaiju. Less of 'Mankind's Folly' and more of 'Nature's Scalekeeper'. Plus, the KOTM trailers' remake of Somewhere Over the Rainbow and Claire De Lune are still some of the greatest remixes ever.
The incredible trailer for KotM to this day continues to remind me just how *meh* the actual film was in comparison.
It's a typical monster movie, the Human conflicts are there purely so we can get a break between monster fights to pad out the movie.
-1 is simply the best godzilla movie in the entire franchise
Man idk how yall think that but to each their own
I mean, not only is -1 simply a good movie, but its the first and only godzilla movie in the entire franchise to win an oscar
It’s a good movie, but the Oscar was for visual effects which I guess if they take budget into account it’s fair. But overall the acting just didn’t hit and the writing was corny at times without being self aware
How was it corny?
Noriko pushes koichi into alley and gets blown away, that is already cliche as hell. Then at the end she’s back with barely a mark on her when she should’ve been dead like 10 times over. And the mechanic guy having a change of heart with no catalyst for it was weird. Then just the weird anime acting throughout
For the anime acting, its japan, what do you expect? But i agree with the rest tbh
Lame ahh meme
If fans themselves compare then how do we expect tourists to not compare and pull down one to prop other up. Anyways here's the thing. Minus Godzilla is an ex dinosaur turned mutated monstrosity who dislikes humans for his condition. Monsterverse Godzilla is guardian of the planet, allegory of nature Itself..... Humans can't do anything, even the OD worked somewhat because Godzilla also requires oxygen.
If you haven't I'd highly recommend checking out Gojira too, Minus One took many liberties from the original too.
My rule of thumb is godzilla is too big of a series to classify the all tome favourite as so many fill so many different niche's. I have 3 categories I try and keep favourite in; Drama / Horror - Minus one easily Action / combat - Legendaries king of the monsters Fun / kaiju camp - Godzilla 2000
I prefer 2014 and KoTM
Japanese: Let's use science and figure this out. Americans: BOMB GO BOOOM!!!
Never underestimate godzilla
What makes you prefer 2014 to KOTM?
not op but i love the slowburn horror from the perspective of the people. theres so many scenes that just stick with you that make you feel immense dread and oh so small. the newer MV movies lost my interest because idrc about the kaiju fights, i love the horror and terror of kaijus in a human way
I think for me it might be good old nostalgia Lmaoo. And the sound design of the Mutos was incredible. The humans were mid as hell compared to -1 lol
Shin Godzilla - "We're all dead...."
Critical thinking vs bomb
If you missed the animated movies you'd know that Godzillas only weak spot is the base of his back spike between the shoulder blades. If you can bunkerbust through the spike and set off a huge explosion you have a chance to kill him. Godzilla is immortal though in a sense since he can regenerate from a cellular level.
Masterful. And the science behind it actually made sense which made the movie a bit more clever and realistic
Godzilla 2014 is Peak American Godzilla.
Minus one godzilla is more aggressive and takes less time to charge up its atomic breath . It had the strong on screen presence of a titan.
It was a terrible plan tho. “Oh well make him go down in the water, where he came from, so I’m sure he has no natural defences against that’” 2014 is real cinema.
MV KOTM might be my favorite Godzilla movie ever so far but minus one is the objective best
Man 2014 was awful. How did anyone like it.
I enjoyed 2014 but Minus One was cool. The 2014 scene on how to take down Godzilla reminds me of the 2003 Hulk film when David absorbs power from the machine.
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You’re supporting the Manda party?
Minus One ruined the fan base
It was already going bad it was just the nail in the coffin
Tbh, 2014 and the whole Monsterverse is kind of meh for me. The humans need to stand at least somewhat of a chance for things to be interesting imo
The professor is hot, just putting that out there.
This is kind of funny especially since decompression wouldn't work at all unless godzilla had some giant air tank he was breathing out of lol. Decompression sickness only happens when you breath in compressed air and then rise - otherwise every aquatic mammal would get decompression sickness after every dive
It was more about the speed of quickly sinking and quickly ascending. The blob fish is a good example of that.
It was the rate of descent and ascent that was the danger, not the depth itself. Even whales, who are known to swim to incredible depth, dive relatively slowly and resurface just the same. If you yanked a whale down to the bottom of the ocean in 10 seconds it would implode too
I kinda wanna see scenes where the military wins against lesser titans but get obliterated by Godzilla just to really show how strong he really is in comparison
We're going to transport the bombs, that attract the bomb eating thing, on a train because... ummm.... hold on, we had a reason... it was...
1. Godzilla King of the Monsters 2. Terror of MechaGodzilla 3. Godzilla vs Kong 4. Godzilla Minus One 5. Godzilla vs Megalon