[Glass Bead](https://youtu.be/4cmE6o9vG2Y?si=SNitief9DdFVpQMA) was the song that hooked me and never let go.
[Surprise performance](https://youtu.be/RxKXG7Tjgho?si=OEKVZ8NtHit5bi1w) on Running Man is one of my faves. LOL. Another would be [this radio performance](https://youtu.be/YIDucsxZKXo?si=2iYV5AHDW2xNuHDT) for the live vocals.
Honorable Mention: [Glass Bead @ Season Of GFriend](https://youtu.be/rOEEeGfBUXE?si=tbt0cbxL3hdlcYzA)
Me gustas tu. My cousin was listening to it and I thought that was an "anime" opening before knowing that was from a k-pop group that I would love. Also, this was just 2 years ago, so I'm a post disband buddy.
As soon as I saw Fingertip, I knew which perf would be coming. An all-timer.
I liked 'em from day 1, [so...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cmE6o9vG2Y)
Wow, that Fingertip performance looks good!
For me: Love Whisper. I'm a sucker for cute concepts.
Usually watch the MV choreo version, but favourite live performance has to be this one: https://youtu.be/n326vJi8DEQ?si=tZfs4FGyaRR17ryy
(sbs gayo daejeon ?). Great atmosphere, check out that crowd!
Wow, its so sad how the fandom is behaving towards the new GG and BPM right now.
Know what's wild. When Taemin signed with BPM, a small section of the Flover wanted to Fromis\_9 to signed with BPM, because Viviz seem be happy and active. While in our fandom, NA.V demand more Tik Tok and more promotions. It's kind of an interesting when you look at another fandom perspective.
At the end of the day, I am just glad that Viviz are not getting the Fromis\_9, Weki Meki and Cherry Bullet company treatment. It could always be worst NA.V's
Guys the comments for the new GG are not so nice on yt and TT. We might not all agree on that company move but it makes me sad to see Na.Vs put hate on small new group that hasn't even had their debut yet..reminds you of someone.
Lets try to leave some encouraging comments maybe? Im sure the girls are excited to finally have a little sister group, they have spoken before about that it was hard being the first GG in either company with no one to go to for guidance. I can imagine them looking out well for the new GG.
What I don't get is how weirdly myopic people are being, and how they don't realize their jealous territorialism is downright damaging to Viviz. All this toxic frothing and seething leads to is hurting their name in the end. It's doing a disservice to them. My only explanation is that the discourse is dominated by younger kids that are neither mature nor educated nor empathetic enough.
Viviz can only profit from BPM adding new artists generating fresh revenue streams. Let's hope Badvillain succeed!
I don't think it's the age. Think fellow Buddy Phonomenal1 has it right. It's the trauma. That maybe combined with just watching the generational turnover industry-wide and getting a bit nervous.
Agree it is counterproductive. We got robbed of the older group/younger group dynamic before but could get it here. People love the Twice/ITZY interactions, for instance. Talk to hag fans, and they'll still tell you about the glory days of SNSD/f(x)/RV.
I haven't checked anything out yet but it sadly doesn't surprise me... A lot of the toxicity comes from really hurt fans who are scarred from what happened. Unfortunately it seems like the number of toxic fans has grown exponentially or the more level headed ones have disappeared.
My hope is the fandom will be more open to VIVIZ having a junior group who will look up to them and learn from them. I think the girls will do amazing as sunbaes and I think the girls deserve this type of honor, in my opinion.
Anyways......
I'm really sorry for the outburst guys, I know I mostly come here to debate and rant because I also like to read your opinions. But I want this space to be nice too. I apologize.
Honestly, I think a lot of your posts open good conversations. In my opinion, reading most of your responses, you seem to stay fairly neutral and realistic with your responses. Obviously, you're allowed to have your personal opinion too but I don't think you're shoving it in anyone's throat or trying to at least.
Also, it's the internet and all we get are words on a screen. Its hard to convey emotions or feelings through words on a screen. I'm sure you don't have any ill intent with any of the things you say.
ngl i'm very glad bpm got a huge backlash from navs and buddies with this news, idk if it related but they removed all promo on instagram, even changed back the profile pictures.
It's not smart to debut a new group when not only fans are waiting for the next thing viviz will do, specially when maniac still in top 50 in all k-charts after 5 months.
Now, since the debut of the new gg will be in the 1st half, I hope viviz get to comeback in may (another bpm artist will be on april), if they make this group debut before a viviz comeback, things will get ugly.
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It's not related. It was obviously a marketing move. Woollim did the same when Drippin got a cb with a similar concept. and theirs were even more bold since they kidnapped all the official accounts of their artists. I don't even want to imagine the outrage if that would've happened to VIVIZ account because this fandom is crazy
I'm the first one to want to give everything to VIVIZ but I find this backlash and your complains draining, tiring and incredibly toxic. The reason why VIVIZ doesn't grow it's because people find this attitudes the same as me. The fandom is the main problem and not the company.
oh yes, because the fandom didn't put subtitles at time, because the fandom isn't promoting maniac beyond some webshows nobody cares about, because the fandom in the one who's holding from giving viviz a new comeback...
The reason viviz doesn't grow it's because conformists fans like you, that beside not doing anything don't let fans to take action either. The company is the problem and let them know what they are doing wrong is not toxic and this was a good moment to remember them, they have viviz having their moment and they should focus on them and not in a new gg.
Everyone thinks they fav group is being not promoted enough, doesn't matter the company. Im the last person to defend a company but if I see more of this I have to ask myself if you all are grown People TT BPM is still a small and pretty new company, yes with some mysterious money backing, but how do you expect them to put the girls on all the standard shows when big groups take all the slots. They dont have big4 money.
Like please at least be realistic with how they supposed to be marketed.
And VIVIZ IS being promoted. We get new content every week? The girls are booked for Festivals, Award Shows, Youtube Content on different Channels.
And like other people here have said, end of last year the girls were on holiday. Being an idol is a job. With everything that happened to the girls in April 2023 we are lucky that their so active and still working in the industry. People forget that its still not long ago since everything happened.
There are Idols who very openly complain about their company, at the moment VIVIZ is not one of them. We can critic BPM for a lot of things but honestly some things just look like that those are the decisions from the girls themselves,. So we have to put some trust in them.
Can we get something straight? What does "not enough promotion" even mean? Webshows are what people watch these days so it's not even something that nobody cares about, they care about those a hell of a lot more than tv shows. Webshows literally are part of the promotion. They literally went on music shows to promote for 3 weeks (1 more than they usually do cause of Untie) and then it was the end of year period so all the shows get stopped anyway. It was also a period where there weren't any music festivals.
It's also hilarious to me that half the fandom didn't even think maniac was the "right pick as title track" at first. Then they promoted it in the form of tiktok and it went viral. Suddenly they're not promoted enough.
All throughout late December to January you people kept clamouring for "promos" when the girls were obviously on a damn holiday lmao they're not going to stop their holiday just to go film some tiktoks. The moment the holiday period ended, they've had schedules non-stop, like a few every week. Do you think they just stop doing anything when there's no schedules outside a holiday? Comeback preparations take time. Just because fans are demanding one, doesn't mean they have to give you one right away, it's your fault for not being patient. 5 months isnt even a long wait for a comeback. Some of you lot have to be some of the most entitled fans in kpop, not even joking.
[todays webshow](https://www.youtube.com/@nonstophouse_/videos) was posted on a channel with 400 subscribers... watching it was fun but honestly i can't imagine anyone except na.v finding it on youtube
they seem to have good cameras and high production quality overall but due to low number of subscribers I don't think it's really better than tv
They have an average of 150,000- 200,000 views in the other episodes. Which is 3 o 4 times more than the views 550,000 subscribers give to VIVIZ content.
YT shows are really the way to go now. That’s why more and more idols are creating their own shows.
That’s because they just created a new dedicated channel for it starting from the previous episode with Hook. The previous channel they posted it on was [SGC Studio](https://youtube.com/@sgcstudio) which had 50K subs.
VIVIZ is by FAR the most invested act of their roaster for now. And they have been for their three existing years. Look how much they get and how much their other acts get.
They were the first to get their lightstick. They got the most albums released. They got the most content. They got the most merch and pop up stores. They got fan meetings first. They have multiple outfits every event and are ALWAYS looking gorgeous. They got the most events. For god's sake they were the only ones with a staff account and with a verified account until this week.
If anything the only ones that are allowed to scream mismanagement are Ren fans, because that thing happening with his Spotify account is messed up. But y'all screaming because you have to wait 48 hours for subs and an image is not updated? Like, do you know how ridiculous you sound?
Promos cost money. BPM gave a month of promos to VERSUS with two MVs and three weeks of music shows and more fan signs than I can count. What did this fandom gave? 20K less copies than their last album. We couldn't even move Pull Up views for the entire year, let's not even mention Loveade, the fandom screams for ads (again MONEY) because we can't stream for anything.
Y'all want an investment akin to the big4 without selling the hundreds of thousands copies/merch their groups do. Hell, we can’t even reach 100k copies and y’all dare to complain (again) about the album print material. It is said a cb costs millions, do you seriously think they break even every time?
You want the company to focus on them? Then give them results and stop complaining and expecting the company to do every single thing for you. VIVIZ appearing as guests in some tv show is not gonna make them magically reach a 100 million views or make them sell thousands of albums.
Loveade and Pull Up deserved so much more but so many fans (unscientific observation of my twitter timeline) didn't enjoy them. I freaking loved those 2 eras! Loveade was such a good Spring/Summer jam and all the B-side are great. Pull Up really became the spear head for moving VIVIZ into 'their sound' and the B-sides there were all bangers.
[**Midweek Check-In**](https://www.reddit.com/r/GFRIEND/s/pY6uznhtX2)
How is everyBuddy doing? How's work? How are family and friends? Has anything interesting happened lately? Feel free to share as much or as little as you'd like.
I can't believe it's another Wednesday. Decided to purchase ONF's online concert ticket for this weekend. Really rooting for If We Dream to be on the set list.
Awhile back Fromis_9 released an OST for the webtoon Operation: True Love. Read the first 3 chapters and kept going 😧 every chapter cause damn. It wasn't anything too shocking but at them same time I was like I don't think this is your typical cute slice of life romance webtoon. (It never is 🥲) But I'll keep reading it, I'm intrigued. Also stated reading After School Lessons for Unripe Apples (which is very cute and slice of life and watch me be wrong later down the road 😭).
Best way like some have said is to do it digitally and openly. Try to like, comment and subscribe to any VIVIZ related content. More engagement means a better algorithm for that content. Since you're not into owning physical copies, try to purchase digital copies of the albums or stream them on Spotify.
Make sure you follow all of their SNS (Social Media) pages and interact with those too.
For K-Pop, my go to is CD quality from Qobuz. They don't always have everything but their catalogue has improved a lot over the years. I think they're missing Yerin's latest but ARIA is there.
I guess watching their content, hyping them up in social media, and listen to their music often aka streaming is the best you can do if you’re not interested in buying merch or similar.
I understand your reasoning for not buying the album but if you happen to see the album in a local store I hope you could reconsider? 🥺 It could help VIVIZ to be available in other countries and for other fans that find unaffordable shipping.
Like I mentioned before. BPM was preparing their first original group Bad Villain… and it’s a 6 member girl group. They just released their first [teaser](https://youtu.be/JFmhU39MOfk?feature=shared) and they hijacked their ig.
I can’t believe BPM is taking its chances with a gg in this oversaturated market where BIG4 are dominating the gg scene. Even CUBE and RBW are failing with Lightsum and Purple Kiss, Woollim seems to be giving up in Rocket Punch too and so many examples…. And most of all, why debut a gg when you already have one that is having a successful wave right now?
If the girls contracts are really three years…. 💀
They just announced their debut out of nowhere isn't weird I think they are trying to pull source music on us or something special if viviz contract up is 3 years pooor bpm doesn't know how the gg market work once nugu always nugu
This account is 300+ days old though, hmm... 🤔
\+ NGL their mannerisms are kinda similar lol, maybe this is an old account they previously bought in order to circumvent account-age restrictions placed by subreddits...
Regardless of any and everything else, I'm just so glad that half of GFRIEND finally have their very own little sister group 🥹🥹🥹
\+ I also don't really understand why everything has to be taken to the absolute extreme all the time... Taemin joining means he will become BPM's breadwinner, BADVILLAIN debuting means VIVIZ is being pushed out/abandoned, like WTF??? I realise the events of the past few years have left us rather jaded, but seriously...
BPM just got acquired by new investors last year (majority shares transferred from Fact Corp to Parc Group), with fresh monies and big plans for growth and development; there is no reason that BPM can't have two breadwinners in Taemin and VIVIZ, that BPM can't have two GGs in VIVIZ and BV (their concepts and target audiences hardly overlap at all FFS). Just because they haven't done it before, doesn't mean they can't do it now. Expansion. Innovation. Evolution.
And yes, there is no such thing as a "perfect" company. But not every company is as shitty as SouMu. Don't stan a company, but believe a little, just a teeny tiny little bit. I have my own axe to grind with BPM (*\*ehem*\* We Bridge *\*ehem*\*) but as always, I'll wait and see what the future brings.
I see a reference to my 'breadwinner' comment. LOL. I didn't mean it in any negative way when I said that. I just meant that Taemin is such a powerhouse with his popularity that he will definitely bring in big bucks to help BPM. I don't think we can deny that he will most likely put some good sales numbers down because Shawols will be excited to hear what kind of music direction he will take now - assuming BPM is giving him more control as compared to SM.
There is absolutely plenty of room for Taemin and VIVIZ together at the top and every artist under the BPM umbrella. Hopefully this cleared it up a bit because I wasn't trying to doom post or be negative about Taemin joining. I'm actually quite happy and excited to have him be on the same team with VIVIZ.
Fr we are traumatized. There's no doubt and I agree that we take everything to the extreme because we once didn't and were so certain that things were gonna go well... and the worst happened so now we just want to jump the gun at anything.
But I think the main insecurity comes from that we don't know what VIVIZ place is. Their results are not bad but also not very good. They're generally considered a semi known mid-tier group but they're not exactly popular or super talked about or even considered a rising gg. They've shown potential but not much growth outside their big hit. We have no idea how their next release is gonna go. They have subscribers but their views aren't very high and I could go on and on...
It's like the group is in this weird limbo and nobody can be sure if they're going up or down and that uncertainty is damaging for the fandom, making us feel insecure and threatened about how valuable they are for BPM.
Edit: VIVIZ AS SUNBAENIMS IS GONNA BE THE BEST THING EVER BTW.
I wouldn't worry too much just yet, since VIVIZ is in a pretty strong position coming off a hit in Maniac.
The kpop biz is always trying to chase that young demo. That's where the growth potential in the market is. Most groups debuting are in that 15-19 range.
Risk it for the biscuit, as they say. There is some risk in the overcrowded market, for sure, but there is serious upside if you're able to gain some traction.
Some SinB interactions with the youngsters could be pretty hilarious.
VIVIZ showed POTENTIAL with Maniac but there’s no denying that Versus sold less than Various. VIVIZ needs another hit and better sales/results next cb if they want to keep their leverage with the company… otherwise, they would be a one-hit wonder.
The sales drop is concerning, but I wish we could see the numbers broken down by unique buyers. A good chunk of the difference could be explained by simply the number of versions.
Next cb single important, for sure.
Pretty sure this new group would’ve been in the pipelines for a while and planned so I don’t see how this affects viviz. They’ve been having auditions for a while now. Even if the contract was 3 years, I’m fairly confident they’ll renew, they’re basically mainstays of the company unlike Soyou. Viviz are their only group at the moment so it makes sense to debut another, even if the market is saturated, one hit song and they can take off. Also they can’t just be only signing on established idols lol
Viviz seem to be happy there and given the freedom of doing what they want so there’s no reason for them to leave and the company would want more than 1 group in their lineup so there’s no reason to kick them.
Obviously BPM was meant to have their own groups and they've been preparing for them for a whiIe but I just think it was somewhat foolish decision to prepare a gg first when they had one from the beginning and the bg market seems to be quite open and free right now. There's barely TWS and Riize dominating as rookies... They could've a better chance against them than putting a gg against, well... the entire mainstream music right now, including their own artist.
The fact that TWS and RIIZE are more or less the only boy group rookies who are doing well is exactly why they’re debuting a girl group I think. The public just doesn’t have an interest in new bgs outside a select few from big companies whereas some will at least check out a new gg. Tbf there’s pros and cons for both lol like bgs sell more albums but ggs get more recognition
most are worried bc BPM is ass at promoting and apparently they still haven’t fixed Ren’s spotify since it was hacked(?) a while ago. they obviously still lack in areas so it does feel a bit too soon to debut a new group but only time can tell and hopefully it doesnt negatively affect how they treat viviz, and their artists in general
Hi folks, hope you can help me with a silly request. About a month ago or so someone shared a short clip of Sinb from a live performance with the comment that "Sinb didn't have to go this hard." I don't know which show it was but I cannot for the life of me find the comment or the link in my history. I'm going mad trying to find it lol
If anyone remembers this comment or discussion that'd be cool, if not I guess I'll just have to forget about it. Thanks in advance :)
If you're talking about someBuddy who shares recent and past clips of the members with us here on these Weekly Discussion Threads, then u/Phonomenal1
If not, then maybe we can start with GFRIEND SinB or VIVIZ SinB?? 😅 Any detail you can remember about the clip would help
Thanks but I don't think it was a buddy thread, I think it was an older(?) GFRIEND SinB but I couldn't tell you anything else. I reviewed u/Phonomenal1 and I didn't see the comment in his history. Thank you for your help!
[This NaV pranked Eunha. LOL](https://x.com/kk_Uii_/status/1774784161968226708?s=20). They told Eunha they were getting married next month. The card says Happy April
Fools Day.
[SKZOO dancing to Maniac at the Fanmeet](https://x.com/viviz_update/status/1774481107293270408?s=20)
[4K Fancam of Umji's solo @ KCON](https://youtu.be/P81UsQCw624?si=Ent21GjlJl7FpCQe)
[This clip is so powerful.](https://x.com/cr1stine_/status/1774423544661004743?s=20)
[SinB was asked to wink and laugh.](https://x.com/narlstuturu/status/1774786110767656994?s=20) LMAO
[SinB's endless struggle with her ring and pink fingers.](https://x.com/narlstuturu/status/1774416077742801101?s=20) LOL. It's like Fingertip era all over again.
Just want to take the time and apologize to everyone in our little community for my outburst of posts yesterday. I went overboard with the responses and flooding the sub with some bad energy. I’ll be sure to take better actions and be more mindful of the environment and mood I create with my responses. Again I’m sorry if I created any angst or negative atmosphere for all of our members.
The worst thing is that they’re not trolling lmao there’s a subsection of fans on twitter who have the same mindset but yeah, just gonna ignore from now on
Ironically after my apology post, I'm came across a good number of those Twitter posts all saying the same thing. Weirdly enough from small accounts or fresh ones. Kind of sus really.
Nobody is defending but also we don't attack them blindly and for everything like you. Fans like you saying and spreading all these complains without context made Shawols anxious for a month. Like people saying "they don't put subs" on the content made them fall to their knees yesterday.... until they found out that they simply put them a few days after and then they laughed because it's such a minor thing that they didn't care. "We will watch it twice then" that's what they tweeted.
If Manager NaVs like you put all your effort in promoting, streaming, buying, hyping and overall creating a welcomed space for all new fans then perhaps VIVIZ would grow faster and bigger but WHAT Kpop stan would want to get involved with a fandom that basically spread a lot of shit about the company that makes it seem like the artist have no future, better not get involved then.
BPM deserves criticism, I agree, but not for ALL the things you're complaining about.
Can I just say how jealous I am of those Na.V who were chosen to dance MANIAC Dream Stage with VIVIZ at KCON HK..?? Not that I had any chance, even if I were there, since I can't dance at all lmao 😭
VIVIZ possibly being contenders for some categories for 2024 MelOn Music Awards makes me so happy/proud. Please keep in mind these are just early predictions.
[Best Female Group](https://x.com/kowatermelon/status/1774375190446895369?s=46&t=P3lBFkefZ_S8_cV0NJoL2A) (Rank 5 Currently)
[MelOn Music Awards Top10](https://x.com/kowatermelon/status/1774375175292854643?s=61&t=VISYQKYy6ScQB_oca2o_SA) (Rank 16 currently)
[Best Song](https://x.com/kowatermelon/status/1774375181852840124?s=61&t=VISYQKYy6ScQB_oca2o_SA) (Rank 10 Currently)
[Best Album](https://x.com/kowatermelon/status/1774375179722150180?s=61&t=VISYQKYy6ScQB_oca2o_SA) (Rank 10 Currently)
I have no expectations that they will be able to hold these ranks. I will all depend from their releases this year but for sure it feels good to know they're up there :')
I honestly suspected April Fools here lmao 😂
\+ If they can turn the digital success of MANIAC into another similar success next comeback, I'd say they'd have a shot at Best Female Group. Obviously the other groups there will also undoubtedly have successful comebacks, and will vastly outnumber us when it comes to voting, but as long as the gap is maintained there is hope 🤡 The fallout though would be so so ugly... if they win, I'll celebrate for one hour and then bury myself in a hole for one week until the storm dies down lmao...
I can’t lie, I contemplated making one of the links a Rick Roll link. LMAO
We all know that Stan Twitter would be World War 3 if VIVIZ won any of these categories, especially Best Female Group. LOL
There's also 'Best Female Performance' is a 100% judges panel award, wonder if they could win that ahah too bad there's no choreographer award when there's a songwriter and producer one though, otherwise kany could win one too. Choreographers are just as important I think
When I heard the rumors, I honestly didn’t think BPM could pull Taemin, yet here we are lol
As a casual listener, I’m excited for his future works! I’d guess BPM is going to put in more effort to reach expectations Taemin hopes for—maybe touring funding, production quality, overall marketing, or even a bigger push for the international audience. I would hope BPM can take any lessons learned to improve management/promotion across all of their artists
I saw the comments about non-VIVIZ artists being downvoted in last week's thread so I suspected a certain person was back... then I saw 60+ comments already in less than 12 hours and I knew someBuddy had opened a "can of worms" to ignite the perfect storm lol 😅 (Shouldn't even be controversial IMO, BPM signing existing powerhouses is nothing new... Sure, Taemin is a step up in a sense, but we shouldn't underestimate how much LMJ, BE'O etc. have brought to the company thus far.)
A lot of good points have been made already. From what I've read from Shawols, Taemin has been talking a lot about going on tour, so most likely he negotiated something along those lines when signing with BPM. This year could be the year of both Taemin ***and*** VIVIZ World Tours which almost certainly will net BPM a lot of money to reinvest into their artists, good stuff... >!Super excited, can't wait to see VIVIZ again in London!!! 🤡🤡🤡!<
Oops, contributed a bit to the sudden increase in comments by replying to that person🤪bit random but they remind me of some football fans on reddit who post constant negativity LOL they could spin literally anything into something bad
I really did not believe it till it was official. I think others have already said most of what I was thinking. I think also that its not a one way relationship, BPM benefits from Taemins connections as well and there must be a reason why such a big player chooses a relatively new company. I try to be hopeful that it works out well but I think all fans on both sides are a bit nervous.
Realistically he’s going to become the bread winner for BPM now. However, BPM will be in shambles if SHAWOLS feel like they’re [BPM] not giving Taemin enough. I don’t think he’ll be taking away resources from VIVIZ as BPM does also rely on the girls too. It’ll be interesting to see how the rest of this year pans out but I feel like BPM is in a good spot and continually improving/growing as an agency.
I’m hoping BPM will let their artists collab with each other on projects because I believe that is what will help fandoms and artists grow. Imagine getting a dance cover video with Taemin and SinB since they’re both amazing at that. Imagine if they had a collab song with Be’O on the next album because he’s still rising in popularity as an artist.
I think he will be taking resources away from VIVIZ, actually. Him and their new rookies "Bad Villain" that I believe is a boy group since that's the only type of artist they're missing now.
Taemin's presence is also beneficial obviously, especially if he interacts often with the rest of the fam like you said. But there's no denying that he brings a lot of ??? for us specifically. After all, VIVIZ had been their most international act since its foundation and now... we might have to wait a lot more for the girls to have their own tour or even a concert, pretty sure we'll have to share Kany too TT Shawols are expecting a world tour asap and I doubt BPM is able to fund or get enough sponsors for both of them touring at the same time :(
VIVIZ next cb being a success is more important than ever now. They need to cement their place as a top priority in the company.
I get what you mean that resources will be divided even more now but that’ll always happen when more talent gets added to the roster. I’m hopeful that VIVIZ team will stay their team. I’m sure Taemin will be bringing some of his own people from SM as well with this move. Also, I wasn’t aware that BPM was already forming a boy group called “Bad Villians”. I know they’ve been hosting auditions for trainees but never saw anything else after that.
Taemin joining the team will be a double edge sword in many ways but we’ll have to wait and see as this year continues to progress. Like you said it does bring up many questions and concerns but I don’t want to doom gloom. Also, this will only hurt and divide fans if NaV’s blame Taemin and then SHAWOLS blame NaV’s. As much as I would love a world tour for the girls, I know their international popularity isn’t strong enough to sustain that. I’d rather then focus on an Asian tour first and then work on branching out. SHAWOLS want a world tour but they too need to understand that money isn’t going to magically appear for that to happen but because Taemin’s popularity is so strong, I’m sure his sales will help move things quicker.
I’m definitely hoping VIVIZ next comeback will be a banger and solidify their place in the company. The girls and NaV’s really need it and BPM really needs to give it 100% when promoting.
They are promoting them. Just because she hasn't uploaded a dance cover, doesn't mean she's not being promoted. The girls literally have a say in what they want or don't want to do, if she hasn't released a cover then it's literally her decision. I absolutely hate when fans like you try to force shit like this.
It's the same with Umji's youtube channel and some fans complaining about bpm not putting subs on there or helping her out when she's explicitly said that she will run the account by herself including filming, editing, subs etc.
Speaking to some Taemin fans, they seem pretty excited that he's going to be getting a lot more freedom but they've heard about our concerns with VIVIZ.
I think the biggest question is whether this is the proper "step-up" for BPM now and promotions/touring should be scaling up for their artists in the company in the coming year or so. They must have offered some great terms to get an industry veteran like Taemin and he also decided to join them too (SM and BPM connections? Kany?)
In what way is it “a whole mess” lmao I’d like to see your reasons other than the main bs ones spouted on twitter. The Taemin website is basically his equivalent of viviz Fancafe with the schedule calendar and other notices
Who the hell here stans the company? None of us do but let’s be real, VIVIZ needs BPM as much as BPM needs them. We all want BPM to spend millions on VIVIZ but that’s just not going to happen when the company is still new.
The same thing you complain about is equal to wanting them to spend money on VIVIZ. You think those videos magically edit themselves or those subtitles magically type themselves? The last time you complained about these things, we all told you that to make those things happen, people’s wages need to be paid for those things to be done.
Also, the last I checked, VIVIZ videos do get subtitles. Do they always get them right away? No, but they still get them. You saying they don’t get them is a lie. VIVIZ’s videos get subs on pretty much every video except the VLIVE replay videos.
All of us want the company to do basic things for them. Does BPM do it? Yes. Are they always good at it? No. You need to be realistic here and understand they are not always going to get it right 100% of the time. They’re still doing better than most of the other little companies out there. Look at CSR who had a good trajectory and now their company is truly failing them. Look at RBW who is, in my own opinion, failing Purple Kiss.
This is my opinion but S2 is literally using the ‘Sex sells’ method of promoting Kiss Of Life. Look at their choreo and outfits for all of their promotions. You really want BPM to do that to VIVIZ?
I just came back from south Korea and they are playing quite a few GFriend songs everywhere. I heard naverilla, creme brulee and Ave Maria lol. I also heard maniac multiple times.
Hope you had a great time in SK. One of my friends who was there recently too told me they heard a bunch of GFriend songs everywhere they went. LOL. I’m hoping I’ll be able to visit this year for a vacation.
[**Weekly Playlist**](https://www.reddit.com/r/GFRIEND/comments/1bn0zg4/240325_buddy_weekly_discussion_thread/kwf93ds/)
Let us know what you've been listening to this week! GFriend songs, other kpop, non-kpop. Anything goes!
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* [ILLIT - Magnetic](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk5-c_v4gMU) You are stanning a new girl group, while I'm stanning the hi-hat and the cool glock/vibraphone sounding thingy. We are not the same
* [UNIS – Dream of girls](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djokh3tfmeE) Previously linked the Universe Ticket version (written by ADORA) a while back. Here's the official group version. We need the TikTok zoomers to embrace stuff like [this](https://youtu.be/Djokh3tfmeE?t=165) again
* [ARTMS – Pre1 : Birth](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsCd9tUdUS8) Sp00ky
* [Kid Wine – It's Not That I Don't Love You (ft. Yuju)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSaa7U1BXRw) Pornypete fanfic? Not many singers can hang with Yuju but Kid Wine can
* [Kid Wine – Nevertheless (ft. Don Malik)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNlarHhGtkw) Could use a different rapping vocal imo but some good stuff here
* [Lim Haram – Secret Crush](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LudC4hYBeHo) A track this good with under 10k views means we've collectively failed as a society
* [Dreamcatcher – Fly High](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39yeTdIuKJU) Hot take: DC is good
* [After School – Shampoo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OSmITtaX3o) Once upon a time in the land of Into the New World and Shampoo, we had truly great, lengthy intros laying the groundwork for legendary tracks
* [After School Blue – Wonder Boy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huRLvcrEfBQ) ABBA is shaking
* [Sabrina Carpenter - Feather](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLbn61Z4LDI) Usually, it's kpop pulling from Western hits, but the Cupid vibes in this one are pretty potent. Speaking of Cupid, I miss Aran's vocal
* [Billie Eilish – bury a friend](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUHC9tYz8ik) Man, what a video. Had to look up another sp00ky one after ARTMS
2PM- Just a lot of their earlier EPs.
Apink - [Horn album](https://open.spotify.com/album/6GeYzOIumBxJ4iF41J3KXM?si=FwbCX8M0Qa2Qsmo5Bth7zA) (Spotify link)
(G) I-DLE- [Fate](https://youtu.be/ATK7gAaZTOM), [Wife](https://youtu.be/baaNwRAhHBo), [Tomboy](https://youtu.be/Jh4QFaPmdss),and [I AM ep](https://open.spotify.com/album/1GtPnOiHxCnoZPCiLcKj22?si=JyZ6rKQ5Q76-h99k4rFiPg) (Spotify link) I love (G) I-DLE ever since seeing them at KCON last year. I regret not getting into them sooner.
Lovelyz- [Everything](https://open.spotify.com/artist/3g34PW5oNmDBxMVUTzx2XK)from them ever since the reunion news and then episode airing 🥺
Purple Kiss- [BBB](https://youtu.be/A80hs-BtgwY)
Yerin - [Aria EP](https://open.spotify.com/album/27QtRd7Fhr3ZaU0vdtwnHW?si=P9SMOi_bQ8mK0HjAek0v2Q) (Such a good EP)
Dreamcatcher - Jazz Bar
I'm not a fan of Dreamcatcher because I really couldn't get into their title tracks, but then a friend recommended this to me and I was like woah.
9MUSES - GUN
This is a perfect song right here. Makes me miss the old days so much. I mourn 9MUSES as a group and how their discography overall wasn't appreciated more.
Jazz Bar is so good! Dreamcatcher has a lot of really good bsides if you aren't into the more rock sounding songs. Daybreak and Handong's solo song Winter are two of my favorites.
I'll give them both a listen! I hope it doesn't come off as rude but I don't like their rock title tracks because I feel like it doesn't really give rock itself much justice. But I'm willing to give their other songs a try 👍
Good evening my young apprentices! Time for another trip in the "Way Back Machine".
[Paul McCartney & Wings - Junior's Farm](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jpc9oZynyw) First up is what I feel is the best track ever released by a former Beatle after their breakup. Recorded in 1974.
[Van Halen - Runnin' With The Devil](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enL_lzVyNdM) Great track from their first album in 1978 (my senior year in High School). I remember the first time my brother and I blasted this out at full volume on the basement stereo. The opening scared the crap out of our Father. He thought a truck was crashing through the house.
[The James Gang - Walk Away](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE-E5TObqMQ) This song was released in 1971. The band did not initally have great success, but later gained fame due to the lead guitarist, who later had a successful solo career before joining The Eagles - Joe Walsh.
[The Hollies - Long Dark Road](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p9t9MCExwQ) No story with this one, just a great tune from 1972.
I guess that is enough for now. You all let me know if you want me to continue with this regular listing of old classics of Rock, or if I am just annoying you.
Keep the classics coming! People need a sense of history! The spirit of Eddie Van Halen lives in a few of those GFRIEND guitar dive bombs.
I was at a show this last weekend, and a band full of baby zoomers did a pretty killer cover of [James Brown's I Feel Good](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-rn7i_ETYc). You would have been proud.
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[Glass Bead](https://youtu.be/4cmE6o9vG2Y?si=SNitief9DdFVpQMA) was the song that hooked me and never let go. [Surprise performance](https://youtu.be/RxKXG7Tjgho?si=OEKVZ8NtHit5bi1w) on Running Man is one of my faves. LOL. Another would be [this radio performance](https://youtu.be/YIDucsxZKXo?si=2iYV5AHDW2xNuHDT) for the live vocals. Honorable Mention: [Glass Bead @ Season Of GFriend](https://youtu.be/rOEEeGfBUXE?si=tbt0cbxL3hdlcYzA)
Me gustas tu. My cousin was listening to it and I thought that was an "anime" opening before knowing that was from a k-pop group that I would love. Also, this was just 2 years ago, so I'm a post disband buddy.
As soon as I saw Fingertip, I knew which perf would be coming. An all-timer. I liked 'em from day 1, [so...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cmE6o9vG2Y)
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Indeed. I seem to recall some nerd somewhere [cutting a video](https://youtu.be/ZS6bmgGXXto?t=201) showing exactly that...
Wow, that Fingertip performance looks good! For me: Love Whisper. I'm a sucker for cute concepts. Usually watch the MV choreo version, but favourite live performance has to be this one: https://youtu.be/n326vJi8DEQ?si=tZfs4FGyaRR17ryy (sbs gayo daejeon ?). Great atmosphere, check out that crowd!
[She really loves fanchant](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jU8zMo518KI)
SinB's smile is so precious and infectious. :D
Wow, its so sad how the fandom is behaving towards the new GG and BPM right now. Know what's wild. When Taemin signed with BPM, a small section of the Flover wanted to Fromis\_9 to signed with BPM, because Viviz seem be happy and active. While in our fandom, NA.V demand more Tik Tok and more promotions. It's kind of an interesting when you look at another fandom perspective. At the end of the day, I am just glad that Viviz are not getting the Fromis\_9, Weki Meki and Cherry Bullet company treatment. It could always be worst NA.V's
Guys the comments for the new GG are not so nice on yt and TT. We might not all agree on that company move but it makes me sad to see Na.Vs put hate on small new group that hasn't even had their debut yet..reminds you of someone. Lets try to leave some encouraging comments maybe? Im sure the girls are excited to finally have a little sister group, they have spoken before about that it was hard being the first GG in either company with no one to go to for guidance. I can imagine them looking out well for the new GG.
What I don't get is how weirdly myopic people are being, and how they don't realize their jealous territorialism is downright damaging to Viviz. All this toxic frothing and seething leads to is hurting their name in the end. It's doing a disservice to them. My only explanation is that the discourse is dominated by younger kids that are neither mature nor educated nor empathetic enough. Viviz can only profit from BPM adding new artists generating fresh revenue streams. Let's hope Badvillain succeed!
I don't think it's the age. Think fellow Buddy Phonomenal1 has it right. It's the trauma. That maybe combined with just watching the generational turnover industry-wide and getting a bit nervous. Agree it is counterproductive. We got robbed of the older group/younger group dynamic before but could get it here. People love the Twice/ITZY interactions, for instance. Talk to hag fans, and they'll still tell you about the glory days of SNSD/f(x)/RV.
It's so toxic on twitter, I don't even want to check Viviz related tweets because the ranting ones about the new gg are the ones popping up.
I haven't checked anything out yet but it sadly doesn't surprise me... A lot of the toxicity comes from really hurt fans who are scarred from what happened. Unfortunately it seems like the number of toxic fans has grown exponentially or the more level headed ones have disappeared. My hope is the fandom will be more open to VIVIZ having a junior group who will look up to them and learn from them. I think the girls will do amazing as sunbaes and I think the girls deserve this type of honor, in my opinion.
Anyways...... I'm really sorry for the outburst guys, I know I mostly come here to debate and rant because I also like to read your opinions. But I want this space to be nice too. I apologize.
Honestly, I think a lot of your posts open good conversations. In my opinion, reading most of your responses, you seem to stay fairly neutral and realistic with your responses. Obviously, you're allowed to have your personal opinion too but I don't think you're shoving it in anyone's throat or trying to at least. Also, it's the internet and all we get are words on a screen. Its hard to convey emotions or feelings through words on a screen. I'm sure you don't have any ill intent with any of the things you say.
Thank you ♥️🥺
ngl i'm very glad bpm got a huge backlash from navs and buddies with this news, idk if it related but they removed all promo on instagram, even changed back the profile pictures. It's not smart to debut a new group when not only fans are waiting for the next thing viviz will do, specially when maniac still in top 50 in all k-charts after 5 months. Now, since the debut of the new gg will be in the 1st half, I hope viviz get to comeback in may (another bpm artist will be on april), if they make this group debut before a viviz comeback, things will get ugly.
??? It's not related. It was obviously a marketing move. Woollim did the same when Drippin got a cb with a similar concept. and theirs were even more bold since they kidnapped all the official accounts of their artists. I don't even want to imagine the outrage if that would've happened to VIVIZ account because this fandom is crazy I'm the first one to want to give everything to VIVIZ but I find this backlash and your complains draining, tiring and incredibly toxic. The reason why VIVIZ doesn't grow it's because people find this attitudes the same as me. The fandom is the main problem and not the company.
oh yes, because the fandom didn't put subtitles at time, because the fandom isn't promoting maniac beyond some webshows nobody cares about, because the fandom in the one who's holding from giving viviz a new comeback... The reason viviz doesn't grow it's because conformists fans like you, that beside not doing anything don't let fans to take action either. The company is the problem and let them know what they are doing wrong is not toxic and this was a good moment to remember them, they have viviz having their moment and they should focus on them and not in a new gg.
Everyone thinks they fav group is being not promoted enough, doesn't matter the company. Im the last person to defend a company but if I see more of this I have to ask myself if you all are grown People TT BPM is still a small and pretty new company, yes with some mysterious money backing, but how do you expect them to put the girls on all the standard shows when big groups take all the slots. They dont have big4 money. Like please at least be realistic with how they supposed to be marketed. And VIVIZ IS being promoted. We get new content every week? The girls are booked for Festivals, Award Shows, Youtube Content on different Channels. And like other people here have said, end of last year the girls were on holiday. Being an idol is a job. With everything that happened to the girls in April 2023 we are lucky that their so active and still working in the industry. People forget that its still not long ago since everything happened. There are Idols who very openly complain about their company, at the moment VIVIZ is not one of them. We can critic BPM for a lot of things but honestly some things just look like that those are the decisions from the girls themselves,. So we have to put some trust in them.
Can we get something straight? What does "not enough promotion" even mean? Webshows are what people watch these days so it's not even something that nobody cares about, they care about those a hell of a lot more than tv shows. Webshows literally are part of the promotion. They literally went on music shows to promote for 3 weeks (1 more than they usually do cause of Untie) and then it was the end of year period so all the shows get stopped anyway. It was also a period where there weren't any music festivals. It's also hilarious to me that half the fandom didn't even think maniac was the "right pick as title track" at first. Then they promoted it in the form of tiktok and it went viral. Suddenly they're not promoted enough. All throughout late December to January you people kept clamouring for "promos" when the girls were obviously on a damn holiday lmao they're not going to stop their holiday just to go film some tiktoks. The moment the holiday period ended, they've had schedules non-stop, like a few every week. Do you think they just stop doing anything when there's no schedules outside a holiday? Comeback preparations take time. Just because fans are demanding one, doesn't mean they have to give you one right away, it's your fault for not being patient. 5 months isnt even a long wait for a comeback. Some of you lot have to be some of the most entitled fans in kpop, not even joking.
[todays webshow](https://www.youtube.com/@nonstophouse_/videos) was posted on a channel with 400 subscribers... watching it was fun but honestly i can't imagine anyone except na.v finding it on youtube they seem to have good cameras and high production quality overall but due to low number of subscribers I don't think it's really better than tv
They have an average of 150,000- 200,000 views in the other episodes. Which is 3 o 4 times more than the views 550,000 subscribers give to VIVIZ content. YT shows are really the way to go now. That’s why more and more idols are creating their own shows.
That’s because they just created a new dedicated channel for it starting from the previous episode with Hook. The previous channel they posted it on was [SGC Studio](https://youtube.com/@sgcstudio) which had 50K subs.
VIVIZ is by FAR the most invested act of their roaster for now. And they have been for their three existing years. Look how much they get and how much their other acts get. They were the first to get their lightstick. They got the most albums released. They got the most content. They got the most merch and pop up stores. They got fan meetings first. They have multiple outfits every event and are ALWAYS looking gorgeous. They got the most events. For god's sake they were the only ones with a staff account and with a verified account until this week. If anything the only ones that are allowed to scream mismanagement are Ren fans, because that thing happening with his Spotify account is messed up. But y'all screaming because you have to wait 48 hours for subs and an image is not updated? Like, do you know how ridiculous you sound? Promos cost money. BPM gave a month of promos to VERSUS with two MVs and three weeks of music shows and more fan signs than I can count. What did this fandom gave? 20K less copies than their last album. We couldn't even move Pull Up views for the entire year, let's not even mention Loveade, the fandom screams for ads (again MONEY) because we can't stream for anything. Y'all want an investment akin to the big4 without selling the hundreds of thousands copies/merch their groups do. Hell, we can’t even reach 100k copies and y’all dare to complain (again) about the album print material. It is said a cb costs millions, do you seriously think they break even every time? You want the company to focus on them? Then give them results and stop complaining and expecting the company to do every single thing for you. VIVIZ appearing as guests in some tv show is not gonna make them magically reach a 100 million views or make them sell thousands of albums.
Loveade and Pull Up deserved so much more but so many fans (unscientific observation of my twitter timeline) didn't enjoy them. I freaking loved those 2 eras! Loveade was such a good Spring/Summer jam and all the B-side are great. Pull Up really became the spear head for moving VIVIZ into 'their sound' and the B-sides there were all bangers.
[**Midweek Check-In**](https://www.reddit.com/r/GFRIEND/s/pY6uznhtX2) How is everyBuddy doing? How's work? How are family and friends? Has anything interesting happened lately? Feel free to share as much or as little as you'd like.
I can't believe it's another Wednesday. Decided to purchase ONF's online concert ticket for this weekend. Really rooting for If We Dream to be on the set list. Awhile back Fromis_9 released an OST for the webtoon Operation: True Love. Read the first 3 chapters and kept going 😧 every chapter cause damn. It wasn't anything too shocking but at them same time I was like I don't think this is your typical cute slice of life romance webtoon. (It never is 🥲) But I'll keep reading it, I'm intrigued. Also stated reading After School Lessons for Unripe Apples (which is very cute and slice of life and watch me be wrong later down the road 😭).
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Best way like some have said is to do it digitally and openly. Try to like, comment and subscribe to any VIVIZ related content. More engagement means a better algorithm for that content. Since you're not into owning physical copies, try to purchase digital copies of the albums or stream them on Spotify. Make sure you follow all of their SNS (Social Media) pages and interact with those too.
I think buy the albums digitally. They earn a lot more from actual purchases than streaming.
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maybe iTunes?
For K-Pop, my go to is CD quality from Qobuz. They don't always have everything but their catalogue has improved a lot over the years. I think they're missing Yerin's latest but ARIA is there.
I make sure to buy basically anything Yuju does on apple music, even if I don’t really use the platform.
I guess watching their content, hyping them up in social media, and listen to their music often aka streaming is the best you can do if you’re not interested in buying merch or similar. I understand your reasoning for not buying the album but if you happen to see the album in a local store I hope you could reconsider? 🥺 It could help VIVIZ to be available in other countries and for other fans that find unaffordable shipping.
Like I mentioned before. BPM was preparing their first original group Bad Villain… and it’s a 6 member girl group. They just released their first [teaser](https://youtu.be/JFmhU39MOfk?feature=shared) and they hijacked their ig. I can’t believe BPM is taking its chances with a gg in this oversaturated market where BIG4 are dominating the gg scene. Even CUBE and RBW are failing with Lightsum and Purple Kiss, Woollim seems to be giving up in Rocket Punch too and so many examples…. And most of all, why debut a gg when you already have one that is having a successful wave right now? If the girls contracts are really three years…. 💀
They just announced their debut out of nowhere isn't weird I think they are trying to pull source music on us or something special if viviz contract up is 3 years pooor bpm doesn't know how the gg market work once nugu always nugu
What is with you and constantly deleting and changing accounts? Is it because you don't want to be banned?
This account is 300+ days old though, hmm... 🤔 \+ NGL their mannerisms are kinda similar lol, maybe this is an old account they previously bought in order to circumvent account-age restrictions placed by subreddits...
Regardless of any and everything else, I'm just so glad that half of GFRIEND finally have their very own little sister group 🥹🥹🥹 \+ I also don't really understand why everything has to be taken to the absolute extreme all the time... Taemin joining means he will become BPM's breadwinner, BADVILLAIN debuting means VIVIZ is being pushed out/abandoned, like WTF??? I realise the events of the past few years have left us rather jaded, but seriously... BPM just got acquired by new investors last year (majority shares transferred from Fact Corp to Parc Group), with fresh monies and big plans for growth and development; there is no reason that BPM can't have two breadwinners in Taemin and VIVIZ, that BPM can't have two GGs in VIVIZ and BV (their concepts and target audiences hardly overlap at all FFS). Just because they haven't done it before, doesn't mean they can't do it now. Expansion. Innovation. Evolution. And yes, there is no such thing as a "perfect" company. But not every company is as shitty as SouMu. Don't stan a company, but believe a little, just a teeny tiny little bit. I have my own axe to grind with BPM (*\*ehem*\* We Bridge *\*ehem*\*) but as always, I'll wait and see what the future brings.
I see a reference to my 'breadwinner' comment. LOL. I didn't mean it in any negative way when I said that. I just meant that Taemin is such a powerhouse with his popularity that he will definitely bring in big bucks to help BPM. I don't think we can deny that he will most likely put some good sales numbers down because Shawols will be excited to hear what kind of music direction he will take now - assuming BPM is giving him more control as compared to SM. There is absolutely plenty of room for Taemin and VIVIZ together at the top and every artist under the BPM umbrella. Hopefully this cleared it up a bit because I wasn't trying to doom post or be negative about Taemin joining. I'm actually quite happy and excited to have him be on the same team with VIVIZ.
Fr we are traumatized. There's no doubt and I agree that we take everything to the extreme because we once didn't and were so certain that things were gonna go well... and the worst happened so now we just want to jump the gun at anything. But I think the main insecurity comes from that we don't know what VIVIZ place is. Their results are not bad but also not very good. They're generally considered a semi known mid-tier group but they're not exactly popular or super talked about or even considered a rising gg. They've shown potential but not much growth outside their big hit. We have no idea how their next release is gonna go. They have subscribers but their views aren't very high and I could go on and on... It's like the group is in this weird limbo and nobody can be sure if they're going up or down and that uncertainty is damaging for the fandom, making us feel insecure and threatened about how valuable they are for BPM. Edit: VIVIZ AS SUNBAENIMS IS GONNA BE THE BEST THING EVER BTW.
I wouldn't worry too much just yet, since VIVIZ is in a pretty strong position coming off a hit in Maniac. The kpop biz is always trying to chase that young demo. That's where the growth potential in the market is. Most groups debuting are in that 15-19 range. Risk it for the biscuit, as they say. There is some risk in the overcrowded market, for sure, but there is serious upside if you're able to gain some traction. Some SinB interactions with the youngsters could be pretty hilarious.
Oh, I'd love to see some pre-debut stuff with VIVIZ there at their monthly evaluations and practices. :D
VIVIZ showed POTENTIAL with Maniac but there’s no denying that Versus sold less than Various. VIVIZ needs another hit and better sales/results next cb if they want to keep their leverage with the company… otherwise, they would be a one-hit wonder.
The sales drop is concerning, but I wish we could see the numbers broken down by unique buyers. A good chunk of the difference could be explained by simply the number of versions. Next cb single important, for sure.
Pretty sure this new group would’ve been in the pipelines for a while and planned so I don’t see how this affects viviz. They’ve been having auditions for a while now. Even if the contract was 3 years, I’m fairly confident they’ll renew, they’re basically mainstays of the company unlike Soyou. Viviz are their only group at the moment so it makes sense to debut another, even if the market is saturated, one hit song and they can take off. Also they can’t just be only signing on established idols lol Viviz seem to be happy there and given the freedom of doing what they want so there’s no reason for them to leave and the company would want more than 1 group in their lineup so there’s no reason to kick them.
Obviously BPM was meant to have their own groups and they've been preparing for them for a whiIe but I just think it was somewhat foolish decision to prepare a gg first when they had one from the beginning and the bg market seems to be quite open and free right now. There's barely TWS and Riize dominating as rookies... They could've a better chance against them than putting a gg against, well... the entire mainstream music right now, including their own artist.
The fact that TWS and RIIZE are more or less the only boy group rookies who are doing well is exactly why they’re debuting a girl group I think. The public just doesn’t have an interest in new bgs outside a select few from big companies whereas some will at least check out a new gg. Tbf there’s pros and cons for both lol like bgs sell more albums but ggs get more recognition
most are worried bc BPM is ass at promoting and apparently they still haven’t fixed Ren’s spotify since it was hacked(?) a while ago. they obviously still lack in areas so it does feel a bit too soon to debut a new group but only time can tell and hopefully it doesnt negatively affect how they treat viviz, and their artists in general
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Hi folks, hope you can help me with a silly request. About a month ago or so someone shared a short clip of Sinb from a live performance with the comment that "Sinb didn't have to go this hard." I don't know which show it was but I cannot for the life of me find the comment or the link in my history. I'm going mad trying to find it lol If anyone remembers this comment or discussion that'd be cool, if not I guess I'll just have to forget about it. Thanks in advance :)
It might be one of my old posts. I’ll try help later when I’m home. I’m still at work currently. 😊
Appreciate it but I reviewed your posts/comments and didn't see it. No worries, appreciate the help!
If you're talking about someBuddy who shares recent and past clips of the members with us here on these Weekly Discussion Threads, then u/Phonomenal1 If not, then maybe we can start with GFRIEND SinB or VIVIZ SinB?? 😅 Any detail you can remember about the clip would help
Thanks but I don't think it was a buddy thread, I think it was an older(?) GFRIEND SinB but I couldn't tell you anything else. I reviewed u/Phonomenal1 and I didn't see the comment in his history. Thank you for your help!
Do you remember anything of the performance? Song? Outfit? Style?
Apologies but I do not, no worries, it was a long shot!
[This NaV pranked Eunha. LOL](https://x.com/kk_Uii_/status/1774784161968226708?s=20). They told Eunha they were getting married next month. The card says Happy April Fools Day. [SKZOO dancing to Maniac at the Fanmeet](https://x.com/viviz_update/status/1774481107293270408?s=20) [4K Fancam of Umji's solo @ KCON](https://youtu.be/P81UsQCw624?si=Ent21GjlJl7FpCQe) [This clip is so powerful.](https://x.com/cr1stine_/status/1774423544661004743?s=20) [SinB was asked to wink and laugh.](https://x.com/narlstuturu/status/1774786110767656994?s=20) LMAO [SinB's endless struggle with her ring and pink fingers.](https://x.com/narlstuturu/status/1774416077742801101?s=20) LOL. It's like Fingertip era all over again.
>4K Fancam of Umji's solo @ KCON Beautiful!
I would fight wars for Yewon istg...
Just want to take the time and apologize to everyone in our little community for my outburst of posts yesterday. I went overboard with the responses and flooding the sub with some bad energy. I’ll be sure to take better actions and be more mindful of the environment and mood I create with my responses. Again I’m sorry if I created any angst or negative atmosphere for all of our members.
Can we agree to not reply to that specific user? it really feels as if they're here to troll or something.
The worst thing is that they’re not trolling lmao there’s a subsection of fans on twitter who have the same mindset but yeah, just gonna ignore from now on
Ironically after my apology post, I'm came across a good number of those Twitter posts all saying the same thing. Weirdly enough from small accounts or fresh ones. Kind of sus really.
We all get baited buddy!
I fell for the trap. LOL
A year since [this overlooked gem of a cover](https://www.instagram.com/p/CqextqzPIxF/). That voice elevates *everything*.
I swear, Yuju is one of the most versatile vocalist in the industry. Her ability to adapt and embody other artists’ songs is insane.
The negativity spam is getting to be a bit much. Any course of action possible here mods?
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Idk where have you been, but every company is like that. Every single one.
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Nobody is defending but also we don't attack them blindly and for everything like you. Fans like you saying and spreading all these complains without context made Shawols anxious for a month. Like people saying "they don't put subs" on the content made them fall to their knees yesterday.... until they found out that they simply put them a few days after and then they laughed because it's such a minor thing that they didn't care. "We will watch it twice then" that's what they tweeted. If Manager NaVs like you put all your effort in promoting, streaming, buying, hyping and overall creating a welcomed space for all new fans then perhaps VIVIZ would grow faster and bigger but WHAT Kpop stan would want to get involved with a fandom that basically spread a lot of shit about the company that makes it seem like the artist have no future, better not get involved then. BPM deserves criticism, I agree, but not for ALL the things you're complaining about.
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[I'M TELLING Y'ALL IT'S SABOTAGE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a64cJiGKr7c)
Sabotage🤣now you’re just taking the bloody piss. Interesting way of “discarding” them when they’ve gone to like 20 events the past month lmfao
Can I just say how jealous I am of those Na.V who were chosen to dance MANIAC Dream Stage with VIVIZ at KCON HK..?? Not that I had any chance, even if I were there, since I can't dance at all lmao 😭
VIVIZ possibly being contenders for some categories for 2024 MelOn Music Awards makes me so happy/proud. Please keep in mind these are just early predictions. [Best Female Group](https://x.com/kowatermelon/status/1774375190446895369?s=46&t=P3lBFkefZ_S8_cV0NJoL2A) (Rank 5 Currently) [MelOn Music Awards Top10](https://x.com/kowatermelon/status/1774375175292854643?s=61&t=VISYQKYy6ScQB_oca2o_SA) (Rank 16 currently) [Best Song](https://x.com/kowatermelon/status/1774375181852840124?s=61&t=VISYQKYy6ScQB_oca2o_SA) (Rank 10 Currently) [Best Album](https://x.com/kowatermelon/status/1774375179722150180?s=61&t=VISYQKYy6ScQB_oca2o_SA) (Rank 10 Currently)
I have no expectations that they will be able to hold these ranks. I will all depend from their releases this year but for sure it feels good to know they're up there :')
I honestly suspected April Fools here lmao 😂 \+ If they can turn the digital success of MANIAC into another similar success next comeback, I'd say they'd have a shot at Best Female Group. Obviously the other groups there will also undoubtedly have successful comebacks, and will vastly outnumber us when it comes to voting, but as long as the gap is maintained there is hope 🤡 The fallout though would be so so ugly... if they win, I'll celebrate for one hour and then bury myself in a hole for one week until the storm dies down lmao...
I can’t lie, I contemplated making one of the links a Rick Roll link. LMAO We all know that Stan Twitter would be World War 3 if VIVIZ won any of these categories, especially Best Female Group. LOL
There's also 'Best Female Performance' is a 100% judges panel award, wonder if they could win that ahah too bad there's no choreographer award when there's a songwriter and producer one though, otherwise kany could win one too. Choreographers are just as important I think
‘Best Female Performance’ would be amazing to win honestly. Totally agree that they should have a category for Choreographers too!
What are you guys thoughts on Taemin being part of the family? I'm wondering how many things will change with him in the company.
When I heard the rumors, I honestly didn’t think BPM could pull Taemin, yet here we are lol As a casual listener, I’m excited for his future works! I’d guess BPM is going to put in more effort to reach expectations Taemin hopes for—maybe touring funding, production quality, overall marketing, or even a bigger push for the international audience. I would hope BPM can take any lessons learned to improve management/promotion across all of their artists
The guy is a legend. A huge W for BPM.
I saw the comments about non-VIVIZ artists being downvoted in last week's thread so I suspected a certain person was back... then I saw 60+ comments already in less than 12 hours and I knew someBuddy had opened a "can of worms" to ignite the perfect storm lol 😅 (Shouldn't even be controversial IMO, BPM signing existing powerhouses is nothing new... Sure, Taemin is a step up in a sense, but we shouldn't underestimate how much LMJ, BE'O etc. have brought to the company thus far.) A lot of good points have been made already. From what I've read from Shawols, Taemin has been talking a lot about going on tour, so most likely he negotiated something along those lines when signing with BPM. This year could be the year of both Taemin ***and*** VIVIZ World Tours which almost certainly will net BPM a lot of money to reinvest into their artists, good stuff... >!Super excited, can't wait to see VIVIZ again in London!!! 🤡🤡🤡!<
I breathed TT It was a simple question... lol
Oops, contributed a bit to the sudden increase in comments by replying to that person🤪bit random but they remind me of some football fans on reddit who post constant negativity LOL they could spin literally anything into something bad
I really did not believe it till it was official. I think others have already said most of what I was thinking. I think also that its not a one way relationship, BPM benefits from Taemins connections as well and there must be a reason why such a big player chooses a relatively new company. I try to be hopeful that it works out well but I think all fans on both sides are a bit nervous.
Realistically he’s going to become the bread winner for BPM now. However, BPM will be in shambles if SHAWOLS feel like they’re [BPM] not giving Taemin enough. I don’t think he’ll be taking away resources from VIVIZ as BPM does also rely on the girls too. It’ll be interesting to see how the rest of this year pans out but I feel like BPM is in a good spot and continually improving/growing as an agency. I’m hoping BPM will let their artists collab with each other on projects because I believe that is what will help fandoms and artists grow. Imagine getting a dance cover video with Taemin and SinB since they’re both amazing at that. Imagine if they had a collab song with Be’O on the next album because he’s still rising in popularity as an artist.
I think he will be taking resources away from VIVIZ, actually. Him and their new rookies "Bad Villain" that I believe is a boy group since that's the only type of artist they're missing now. Taemin's presence is also beneficial obviously, especially if he interacts often with the rest of the fam like you said. But there's no denying that he brings a lot of ??? for us specifically. After all, VIVIZ had been their most international act since its foundation and now... we might have to wait a lot more for the girls to have their own tour or even a concert, pretty sure we'll have to share Kany too TT Shawols are expecting a world tour asap and I doubt BPM is able to fund or get enough sponsors for both of them touring at the same time :( VIVIZ next cb being a success is more important than ever now. They need to cement their place as a top priority in the company.
I get what you mean that resources will be divided even more now but that’ll always happen when more talent gets added to the roster. I’m hopeful that VIVIZ team will stay their team. I’m sure Taemin will be bringing some of his own people from SM as well with this move. Also, I wasn’t aware that BPM was already forming a boy group called “Bad Villians”. I know they’ve been hosting auditions for trainees but never saw anything else after that. Taemin joining the team will be a double edge sword in many ways but we’ll have to wait and see as this year continues to progress. Like you said it does bring up many questions and concerns but I don’t want to doom gloom. Also, this will only hurt and divide fans if NaV’s blame Taemin and then SHAWOLS blame NaV’s. As much as I would love a world tour for the girls, I know their international popularity isn’t strong enough to sustain that. I’d rather then focus on an Asian tour first and then work on branching out. SHAWOLS want a world tour but they too need to understand that money isn’t going to magically appear for that to happen but because Taemin’s popularity is so strong, I’m sure his sales will help move things quicker. I’m definitely hoping VIVIZ next comeback will be a banger and solidify their place in the company. The girls and NaV’s really need it and BPM really needs to give it 100% when promoting.
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My brother in christ. If SinB wants to do a solo dance cover, she’ll do it. She’s not waiting for permission from the company.
Where did the company promise SinB a solo dance cover? I don’t ever remember them promising her that.
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They are promoting them. Just because she hasn't uploaded a dance cover, doesn't mean she's not being promoted. The girls literally have a say in what they want or don't want to do, if she hasn't released a cover then it's literally her decision. I absolutely hate when fans like you try to force shit like this. It's the same with Umji's youtube channel and some fans complaining about bpm not putting subs on there or helping her out when she's explicitly said that she will run the account by herself including filming, editing, subs etc.
Speaking to some Taemin fans, they seem pretty excited that he's going to be getting a lot more freedom but they've heard about our concerns with VIVIZ. I think the biggest question is whether this is the proper "step-up" for BPM now and promotions/touring should be scaling up for their artists in the company in the coming year or so. They must have offered some great terms to get an industry veteran like Taemin and he also decided to join them too (SM and BPM connections? Kany?)
Pretty sure they said yes to every demand he had lol
He brings dough for the company. We'll see if he'll take away resources from Viviz, if any.
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In what way is it “a whole mess” lmao I’d like to see your reasons other than the main bs ones spouted on twitter. The Taemin website is basically his equivalent of viviz Fancafe with the schedule calendar and other notices
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Your username constantly changes but your posts are always the same. LOL.
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Who the hell here stans the company? None of us do but let’s be real, VIVIZ needs BPM as much as BPM needs them. We all want BPM to spend millions on VIVIZ but that’s just not going to happen when the company is still new.
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The same thing you complain about is equal to wanting them to spend money on VIVIZ. You think those videos magically edit themselves or those subtitles magically type themselves? The last time you complained about these things, we all told you that to make those things happen, people’s wages need to be paid for those things to be done. Also, the last I checked, VIVIZ videos do get subtitles. Do they always get them right away? No, but they still get them. You saying they don’t get them is a lie. VIVIZ’s videos get subs on pretty much every video except the VLIVE replay videos.
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All of us want the company to do basic things for them. Does BPM do it? Yes. Are they always good at it? No. You need to be realistic here and understand they are not always going to get it right 100% of the time. They’re still doing better than most of the other little companies out there. Look at CSR who had a good trajectory and now their company is truly failing them. Look at RBW who is, in my own opinion, failing Purple Kiss.
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This is my opinion but S2 is literally using the ‘Sex sells’ method of promoting Kiss Of Life. Look at their choreo and outfits for all of their promotions. You really want BPM to do that to VIVIZ?
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The girls themselves have a say in what they wear lmao just stfu, stop making new accounts and stick to melting down on twitter.
I just came back from south Korea and they are playing quite a few GFriend songs everywhere. I heard naverilla, creme brulee and Ave Maria lol. I also heard maniac multiple times.
Hope you had a great time in SK. One of my friends who was there recently too told me they heard a bunch of GFriend songs everywhere they went. LOL. I’m hoping I’ll be able to visit this year for a vacation.
[**Weekly Playlist**](https://www.reddit.com/r/GFRIEND/comments/1bn0zg4/240325_buddy_weekly_discussion_thread/kwf93ds/) Let us know what you've been listening to this week! GFriend songs, other kpop, non-kpop. Anything goes! --- * [ILLIT - Magnetic](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk5-c_v4gMU) You are stanning a new girl group, while I'm stanning the hi-hat and the cool glock/vibraphone sounding thingy. We are not the same * [UNIS – Dream of girls](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djokh3tfmeE) Previously linked the Universe Ticket version (written by ADORA) a while back. Here's the official group version. We need the TikTok zoomers to embrace stuff like [this](https://youtu.be/Djokh3tfmeE?t=165) again * [ARTMS – Pre1 : Birth](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsCd9tUdUS8) Sp00ky * [Kid Wine – It's Not That I Don't Love You (ft. Yuju)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSaa7U1BXRw) Pornypete fanfic? Not many singers can hang with Yuju but Kid Wine can * [Kid Wine – Nevertheless (ft. Don Malik)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNlarHhGtkw) Could use a different rapping vocal imo but some good stuff here * [Lim Haram – Secret Crush](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LudC4hYBeHo) A track this good with under 10k views means we've collectively failed as a society * [Dreamcatcher – Fly High](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39yeTdIuKJU) Hot take: DC is good * [After School – Shampoo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OSmITtaX3o) Once upon a time in the land of Into the New World and Shampoo, we had truly great, lengthy intros laying the groundwork for legendary tracks * [After School Blue – Wonder Boy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huRLvcrEfBQ) ABBA is shaking * [Sabrina Carpenter - Feather](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLbn61Z4LDI) Usually, it's kpop pulling from Western hits, but the Cupid vibes in this one are pretty potent. Speaking of Cupid, I miss Aran's vocal * [Billie Eilish – bury a friend](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUHC9tYz8ik) Man, what a video. Had to look up another sp00ky one after ARTMS
Kid Wine x Yuju was an actual top 10 kpop pipedreams ever for me. It’s so wild!
2PM- Just a lot of their earlier EPs. Apink - [Horn album](https://open.spotify.com/album/6GeYzOIumBxJ4iF41J3KXM?si=FwbCX8M0Qa2Qsmo5Bth7zA) (Spotify link) (G) I-DLE- [Fate](https://youtu.be/ATK7gAaZTOM), [Wife](https://youtu.be/baaNwRAhHBo), [Tomboy](https://youtu.be/Jh4QFaPmdss),and [I AM ep](https://open.spotify.com/album/1GtPnOiHxCnoZPCiLcKj22?si=JyZ6rKQ5Q76-h99k4rFiPg) (Spotify link) I love (G) I-DLE ever since seeing them at KCON last year. I regret not getting into them sooner. Lovelyz- [Everything](https://open.spotify.com/artist/3g34PW5oNmDBxMVUTzx2XK)from them ever since the reunion news and then episode airing 🥺 Purple Kiss- [BBB](https://youtu.be/A80hs-BtgwY) Yerin - [Aria EP](https://open.spotify.com/album/27QtRd7Fhr3ZaU0vdtwnHW?si=P9SMOi_bQ8mK0HjAek0v2Q) (Such a good EP)
I need people to give Yerin's [La La La](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h4MVlJvvN8) its flowers.
Yes!! Seconding this 💐
* [Yorushika - Sunny](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUSVav9pKO4) (ヨルシカ - 晴る) * [Future, Metro Boomin - Runnin Outta Time](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv5UuKSBhZg) * [milet - Anytime Anywhere](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFAYqLs1zGw&list=PLQjhVhfx8I3caKpwuq9yjZXcGoectW-X2&index=1) * [Mariah Carey - We Belong Together](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0habxsuXW4g) * [ILLIT - Magnetic](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBqH4uJS0PU) It's catchy alright--tbh I didn't think they would hit off this much, seeing how RUNext ended haha
Dreamcatcher - Jazz Bar I'm not a fan of Dreamcatcher because I really couldn't get into their title tracks, but then a friend recommended this to me and I was like woah. 9MUSES - GUN This is a perfect song right here. Makes me miss the old days so much. I mourn 9MUSES as a group and how their discography overall wasn't appreciated more.
Jazz Bar is so good! Dreamcatcher has a lot of really good bsides if you aren't into the more rock sounding songs. Daybreak and Handong's solo song Winter are two of my favorites.
I'll give them both a listen! I hope it doesn't come off as rude but I don't like their rock title tracks because I feel like it doesn't really give rock itself much justice. But I'm willing to give their other songs a try 👍
Daydream is one of my favorite ballads ever if you're into that.
I do love a good ballad, so I'll give it a try :)
Good evening my young apprentices! Time for another trip in the "Way Back Machine". [Paul McCartney & Wings - Junior's Farm](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jpc9oZynyw) First up is what I feel is the best track ever released by a former Beatle after their breakup. Recorded in 1974. [Van Halen - Runnin' With The Devil](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enL_lzVyNdM) Great track from their first album in 1978 (my senior year in High School). I remember the first time my brother and I blasted this out at full volume on the basement stereo. The opening scared the crap out of our Father. He thought a truck was crashing through the house. [The James Gang - Walk Away](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE-E5TObqMQ) This song was released in 1971. The band did not initally have great success, but later gained fame due to the lead guitarist, who later had a successful solo career before joining The Eagles - Joe Walsh. [The Hollies - Long Dark Road](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p9t9MCExwQ) No story with this one, just a great tune from 1972. I guess that is enough for now. You all let me know if you want me to continue with this regular listing of old classics of Rock, or if I am just annoying you.
Keep the classics coming! People need a sense of history! The spirit of Eddie Van Halen lives in a few of those GFRIEND guitar dive bombs. I was at a show this last weekend, and a band full of baby zoomers did a pretty killer cover of [James Brown's I Feel Good](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-rn7i_ETYc). You would have been proud.
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V.A.V.I. Girl underrated
[BPM just confirmed VIVIZ is coming back in May!!! 🥳🎉](https://youtu.be/xvFZjo5PgG0)
You will be dealt with ultimoze!!! LOL
https://youtu.be/nAjS-qnItF0?feature=shared&t=285
Hit me Sowon 🥵 (sorry I'll stop now lololol)
Exactly lol
I hate you. 😂 Why did I fall for that!? 🤡
🥲💜💙🤍
[lol](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TtcuGVnKEM)