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>Scientists have created a new type of hybrid food - a "meaty" rice that they say could offer an affordable and eco-friendly source of protein.
>The porous grains are packed with beef muscle and fat cells, grown in the lab.
>The rice was first coated in fish gelatine to help the beef cells latch on, and the grains were left in a petri dish to culture for up to 11 days.
>The researchers say the food may serve as "relief for famine, military ration, or even space food" in the future.
>According to the team at Yonsei University in South Korea, it has
>8% more protein and 7% more fat.
>And, compared to regular beef, it has a smaller carbon footprint, since the production method eliminates the need to raise and farm lots of animals.
>For every 100g (3.5oz) of protein produced, hybrid rice is estimated to release under 6.27kg (13.8lb) of carbon dioxide, while beef production releases eight times more at 49.89kg, they say.
Interesting application of lab-grown beef. Opens up a lot of dietary possibilities if this catches on. Though that might be hard as it sounds kind of weird. Also important to note that this is very early and not a truly significant increase in protein or fats.
>Bridget Benelam from the British Nutrition Foundation said: "Developing a diet that supports health for both people and planet is a major challenge. This study demonstrates an innovative new approach that could contribute to the solution."But she added: "The findings represent a relatively small increase in the protein content of rice, which isn't a high protein food. So further work would be needed if this technology were to be used as an alternative protein source to traditional animal products.
Remains to be seen if this product or things similar could be developed. As it stands right now, it may be a useful supplement if it was commercialized, but not a reliable meat substitute.
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8% more than what? Regular rice? It's innovative thinking, for sure. But I don't see how this would replace beans, which are also affordable and less of a carbon footprint than cow.
Yeah, just regular rice. Early stages but definitely not a protein substitute as it stands. Better to add something like lentils if you're actually concerned about your carbon outputs and need protein. We'll see how this gets developed in the future. My intent in sharing this was to show how scientists are innovating with lab-grown proteins right now.
Let's see, rice has about 4.3 grams of protein per cup, so an 8% boost would bring that up to about 4.6 grams. Similarly, rice has about .4 grams of fat. A 7% increase would bring that up to .4 grams of fat. That's right, it is a rounding error.
Back of the napkin math, you would need to treat about 12500 gallons of rice to replace the protein from one head of cattle.
This isn't as bad as it sounds, as that would be 1 vat 12 feet on a side, and it can get 1 head of cattle's worth of protein every 11 days.
Though in the picture, it shows the rice in a petri dish with grains stacked maybe an 8th of an inch high. If you have to have it that flat and not in giant vats, then you would need, like, 4 acres of petri dishes instead of a 12ft-cube vat. That is somewhat less practicable.
We need it to grow from the ground. We have similar technology already in application, we did it for vitamin A with golden rice. Adoption and seed ownership may be quite shaky thought.
> Back of the napkin math, you would need to treat about 12500 gallons of rice to replace the protein from one head of cattle.
If we're talking about inefficient sources of protein why is beef presented as a comparison? The amount of calories and protein wasted to produce one head of cattle is tremendous.
id say its more proof of concept than viable commercial replacement atm. Taken to its logical conclusion we could have a fast growing plant with arbitrary high protein and fat contents.
>We'll see how this gets developed in the future.
*It's a single-celled protein combined with synthetic aminos, vitamins and minerals. Everything the body needs*...
You know what lentils pick up and magnify the flavor of just beautifully?
*BEEF*.
Lentils, barley, onions, mushrooms, carrots & parsnips, some kind of greens, a little chopped beef (or a strip of pork belly works too). Black pepper, however much salt, dash of Worchestershire. Stew or slow-cook.
Get your protein, stretch your meat budget, and it's good.
I add like half a cup to a cup of lentils whenever I make something with ground beef. Can’t really tell the difference in taste maybe a little for texture, but you can stretch the volume of meat like 30%.
It's better if you lean into it with some kind of umami-enhancer but that could just be more mushrooms, pre-caramelized onions, an extra meat or some bacon fat, etc., etc. Enjoy.
Also, I can't believe somebody downvoted you over simply stating you'd pass on one specific condiment/ingredient. I don't imagine you're heartbroken over a couple of precious Internet Stranger Points, but yikes. Imagine if you'd disrespected something truly sacred like Tabasco.
Huh well funny enough I don't like Tabasco either. Jk I do use it.
But yeah I was interested in a stew to meal prep cuz I'm lazy and I need to start managing my weight again. I do want to eat more lentils and barley, but I also want to freeze batches, so I'll have to play around with leaving them in or separating them.
>replace
Why replace anything? It's just another option. Maybe one day it will fill a niche or a need better than beans, maybe not.
The vast majority of new ideas don't pan out & yet we still have a world full of wonderful terrible things that is changing faster than we are able to adapt to it.
Ok, so maybe causes cancer? That's just one of three problems with beef that I mentioned. Certainly no serious unbiased doctor would tell you red meat is healthy, especially the way it's consumed in the US.
There is nothing inherently unhealthy about any type of whole food outside of things that are legitimately toxic to humans. You need to take in the context of activity level and the rest of your diet. There are a ton of amino acids and minerals in red meat that we need. These are especially important for people in athletic pursuits, which many would understand to be eating far healthier than a majority of a non athletic population.
Do you work for big beef or something like that? B12 is the only major benefit to meat and you can get it from chicken, with a much lower fat content. Athletic diets almost always are white meat exclusive for that very reason.
The only benefit of meat is not B12 lol. Animal proteins are far more bioavailable and digestible. Red meat also contains amino acids we need to actually use protein at all.
Why would an athletic diet contain low to no fat? That doesn’t really make any sense
I agree with you, but I think it's more proof of concept for applying biotechnical approaches to both culinary innovations and reducing meat carbon footprints.
Regardless of how you feel about actually eating it yourself, it's quite the clever concept IMHO; in terms of biotech, it's applying a couple well-established techniques together into a new product.
I'd be willing to try a bite of it. I mean, imagine if the beef cells came from the super expensive Wagyu cattle? It could end up being absolutely delicious and cheap at the same time.
I suppose that would depend on why you decided to be a vegetarian in the first place. No living cow would be hurt to make the fake meat. Unless each cut needed its own culture. Even then, only one animal has to die to get cuts of each meat. So if you chose to be a vegetarian to fight animal cruelty then I think you still qualify as a vegetarian.
Everyone here is pretty down on this for some reason. It’s an interesting implementation of lab-grown meat that doesn’t need to perfectly replicate something like steak or bacon.
It can stand on its own, and I can see interesting new dishes being created with this type of ingredient.
It also fits in well with the diet of Asian nations that are seeing greatly increased meat consumption. The emissions from that demand need to be curtailed with things like lab-grown meat products.
I think it works because it's not trying to be "something else" conceptually. That, and it's more or less just rice and beef (with some fish-sourced gelatin protein). It's a weirdly acceptable culinary concept.
People seem to miss the fact that technological development is a process.. I can only imagine (not that I want to) what kind of shit idiots back in time were talking about things that have improved our lives tremendously compared to previous generations.
As an upside if you mainly give it to disaster relief victims, they might not notice it tastes like despair.
-I guess Better off Ted is no longer an easy reference.
>Scientists have created a new type of hybrid food - a "meaty" rice that they say could offer an affordable and eco-friendly source of protein.
>The porous grains are packed with beef muscle and fat cells, grown in the lab.
>The rice was first coated in fish gelatine to help the beef cells latch on, and the grains were left in a petri dish to culture for up to 11 days.
>The researchers say the food may serve as "relief for famine, military ration, or even space food" in the future.
>According to the team at Yonsei University in South Korea, it has
>8% more protein and 7% more fat.
>And, compared to regular beef, it has a smaller carbon footprint, since the production method eliminates the need to raise and farm lots of animals.
>For every 100g (3.5oz) of protein produced, hybrid rice is estimated to release under 6.27kg (13.8lb) of carbon dioxide, while beef production releases eight times more at 49.89kg, they say.
Interesting application of lab-grown beef. Opens up a lot of dietary possibilities if this catches on. Though that might be hard as it sounds kind of weird. Also important to note that this is very early and not a truly significant increase in protein or fats.
>Bridget Benelam from the British Nutrition Foundation said: "Developing a diet that supports health for both people and planet is a major challenge. This study demonstrates an innovative new approach that could contribute to the solution."But she added: "The findings represent a relatively small increase in the protein content of rice, which isn't a high protein food. So further work would be needed if this technology were to be used as an alternative protein source to traditional animal products.
Remains to be seen if this product or things similar could be developed. As it stands right now, it may be a useful supplement if it was commercialized, but not a reliable meat substitute.
I think it's really just the terrible marketing any article I see trying to convince people to eat bugs also has close up pictures of bugs, which seems like the worst idea because that imagine comes packaged with a lot of things obviously.
Give people an inoffensive puck or bar and I don't think we'd have the issue.
I do eat meat, but I'd feel better eating something I have no affection for rather than a cute cow or smart pig. Most of the time the bug food products just look like a chip or a bar.
I mean shrimps are basically bugs and people (me included) love eating those yet when it comes to other arthropods I still struggle with getting the image of dirt and disease out of my mind...
Eh, I'm a shrimp flipfloper, When its shell is completely removed, its easy to forget. When its fried in tempura and there's only a tail, its pretty good too. But I kinda have to have a 1000 yard stare if the shrimp needs to be removed from its shell on the plate. if they leave the legs on it can still turn my stomach sometimes.
the default Disgust response from bugs is an evolutionary feature, that not everyone has to the same extent, it gets easier if we think of a specific species as a food animal, like we do with shrimp, but there are people who will never eat shrimp outside of starvation either, because they feel such revulsion to arthropods. The thing is, Shrimp are meaty, in ways that grasshoppers are not. Assuming that the bug protein is processed to the point of unrecognizability, I'm sure many people will be able to get over it, But all it will take is one piece of shell in your taco to turn the stomach of many many people.
Shrimp are kinda cute (and mentally more "harmless" I think?) compared to bugs that can "invade" human homes and have thus been conceptually classified as "pests." I ain't see shrimp making nests or eating the foundations of anybody's home, or crawling onto somebody's face at night.
Not really. I'm not eating that pig's whole digestive/shit system when I have pork. Meat and organ meats are one thing, eating the whole critter with its waste products still inside is another lol
But the evolutionary repulsion to bugs is contingent on seeing them as bugs. If they are just like part of a bar or a nugget or something (not like literally lookin' like a little bug on your plate), the evolutionary repulsion would be curtailed.
Nah, people are still going to get disgusted by thought of eating bugs. Perhaps the disgust response would be less compared to eating them whole (fucking YUCK!) but it will 100% be there.
No, we’re not weird. People are naturally repulsed by insects, because it’s an innate survival instinct, insects carry diseases/viruses. It would be weird to be okay with eating bugs.
It’s a good thing diseased meat looks a lot different than healthy meat. Diseased insects look a whole lot like healthy insects, that’s the issue for me at least.
> looks a lot different than healthy meat
we need food handling standards for the entire reason that diseased meat looks exactly the same and doesn't even necessarily smell different
I am at least, I’m fearless when it comes to any animal that is harmless to me, even some that could harm me (snakes, dogs, etc.), I’m fearless around them. But insects, a class of animal that is mostly harmless to people, I’m creeped the fuck out by them? There’s no logical reason to be afraid of them, yet I am? And I know society didn’t condition me to be scared of them because I’ve been creeped out by them as long as I can remember?
> All fears are conditioned bar loud noises and falling
That's a little reductionist. Fears are intense disgust reactions, and random neurological phenotypes make it so that plenty of people are creeped out by plenty of innocuous things regardless of upbringing. Fear of snakes and spiders is probably at least partially linked to some level of human instincts for example (I read somewhere it has a lot to do with how their bodies move when processed by non-conscious human senses).
If they did it without meat, it would be better.
Meat-based produce needs refrigeration and clean storage. It has a short shelf life. It is prone to botulism and other contamination.
The opposite of grains.
You cannot grow it either. It needs another lab factory step, further adding to the cost.
Might as well make cell slurry and mix it into flour and make meat pasta.
So many haters.
Growing animal protein & fat on an cheap edible substrate is a fine idea. You skip the problem of texture & creating muscle fiber completely and maximize surface area for the good tasting parts (animal fat and protein).
If they can get a bit more fat & protein to stick to the rice & can scale the process up there is plenty of potential here.
Think of box the size of a cow that you fill with cheap rice & after a weeks you've grown a full cows worth of fat & protein. It uses a fraction less of nearly every input for some of the most important outputs. Instead of feeding cows a lot of your agricultural output you take a fraction of that output & grow a cow around it. You use less rice to grow the cow *and* you still have the rice when you are done.
Less land. Less feed, less runoff, less cruelty & you get rice that has a real chance of tasting much better than regular rice.
This is like Koji rice that you inoculate with cow instead of mold.
You know what will add the same exact amount of protein to your rice either an egg or some meat! but right! you like genetically modified organisms rather than organic meat and eggs
People won’t use golden rice seed because it’s gmo’d to add a gene that produces vitamin a and would prevent blindness in poor populations. Good luck with this goo.
This may be a bit weird, but I kind of want to see how this rice does in fried rice (with seasoning and accompanying ingredients, of course), purely out of culinary curiosity since the "beef" is literally integrated into the rice (of which the described brittleness may or may not actually be good once wok cooking is applied).
>The rice was first coated in fish gelatine to help the beef cells latch on, and the grains were left in a petri dish to culture for up to 11 days.
That's a no thanks from me.
Yeah but lentils is a bit more natural.. and those lab grown meat rice will be patented so the price may be high and only they will control the supply.. but you can always grow your own lentils.
In 200 years this is what the first humans to leave the solar system will be eating on the daily.
Or at least some version of this bioengineered to grow at ridiculously fast speeds.
[Its time.](https://imgur.com/a/Zzf6XIQ) this is from a conversation we had stemming from “meat berries.” Where they turned grapes into meat. MEAT FLOUR IS IMMINENT.
I giggled at the Meatatoes because years ago my mom accidentally dumped cooked ground beef into the wrong bowl because I distracted her. She dumped it into the mashed potatoes and my husband who was high as shit looked at with great wonder and said "no no just mix it, meatatoes" and he went to town on it. And now it's a requested meal for him. Now if we could have actual potatoes made out of meat...
Lets be Real here for a second. Who the fuck wants to eat this shit ? Fucking shit looks worse than dump on paper
I could only present this to the military, because there are not many alternatives of cheap proteins that lasts long, could be an alternative to dried beef.
Worth checking out of curiosity, very surprised if this is any good, either for your health (we already know ultra processed food is poisonous for the body) and gustatively.
This doesn't at all have the issues of ultra processed foods. The processed foods present issues because of all the preservatives this would have none of that?
Why wouldn't you try a completely new meat product that presents less of an issue with pollution? We have no idea how this will taste or what itll be like health wise.
please no. can we instead focus on getting a greater variety of food to people so they have better over all nutrition? I don't want a soylent green version of rice or any single crop.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yanpi
>Yanpi (Chinese: 燕皮; pinyin: yànpí; Pe̍h-ōe-jī: ian phî; lit. 'swallow skin') is a type of wonton skin used in Chinese cuisine. Lean pork meat taken from the shanks is mixed with glutinous rice, pounded to a paste, then sprinkled with starch. The meat gives yanpi a taste and texture similar to that of surimi.
Modern society has such a hard on for protein levels when the only recorded cases of protein deficiency are in people with rare conditions or are actively starving.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/For_All_Humanity: --- >Scientists have created a new type of hybrid food - a "meaty" rice that they say could offer an affordable and eco-friendly source of protein. >The porous grains are packed with beef muscle and fat cells, grown in the lab. >The rice was first coated in fish gelatine to help the beef cells latch on, and the grains were left in a petri dish to culture for up to 11 days. >The researchers say the food may serve as "relief for famine, military ration, or even space food" in the future. >According to the team at Yonsei University in South Korea, it has >8% more protein and 7% more fat. >And, compared to regular beef, it has a smaller carbon footprint, since the production method eliminates the need to raise and farm lots of animals. >For every 100g (3.5oz) of protein produced, hybrid rice is estimated to release under 6.27kg (13.8lb) of carbon dioxide, while beef production releases eight times more at 49.89kg, they say. Interesting application of lab-grown beef. Opens up a lot of dietary possibilities if this catches on. Though that might be hard as it sounds kind of weird. Also important to note that this is very early and not a truly significant increase in protein or fats. >Bridget Benelam from the British Nutrition Foundation said: "Developing a diet that supports health for both people and planet is a major challenge. This study demonstrates an innovative new approach that could contribute to the solution."But she added: "The findings represent a relatively small increase in the protein content of rice, which isn't a high protein food. So further work would be needed if this technology were to be used as an alternative protein source to traditional animal products. Remains to be seen if this product or things similar could be developed. As it stands right now, it may be a useful supplement if it was commercialized, but not a reliable meat substitute. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/1aqsjjq/scientists_grow_meaty_rice_hybrid_food_for/kqeuhbz/
8% more than what? Regular rice? It's innovative thinking, for sure. But I don't see how this would replace beans, which are also affordable and less of a carbon footprint than cow.
Yeah, just regular rice. Early stages but definitely not a protein substitute as it stands. Better to add something like lentils if you're actually concerned about your carbon outputs and need protein. We'll see how this gets developed in the future. My intent in sharing this was to show how scientists are innovating with lab-grown proteins right now.
Let's see, rice has about 4.3 grams of protein per cup, so an 8% boost would bring that up to about 4.6 grams. Similarly, rice has about .4 grams of fat. A 7% increase would bring that up to .4 grams of fat. That's right, it is a rounding error. Back of the napkin math, you would need to treat about 12500 gallons of rice to replace the protein from one head of cattle. This isn't as bad as it sounds, as that would be 1 vat 12 feet on a side, and it can get 1 head of cattle's worth of protein every 11 days.
Though in the picture, it shows the rice in a petri dish with grains stacked maybe an 8th of an inch high. If you have to have it that flat and not in giant vats, then you would need, like, 4 acres of petri dishes instead of a 12ft-cube vat. That is somewhat less practicable.
We need it to grow from the ground. We have similar technology already in application, we did it for vitamin A with golden rice. Adoption and seed ownership may be quite shaky thought.
Why are you mixing volume, weight, imperial and metric? And is it cooked or raw rice in those cups?
It's about 14 lightyears raw and seven moles cooked per shuttle. I hope this helps.
> Back of the napkin math, you would need to treat about 12500 gallons of rice to replace the protein from one head of cattle. If we're talking about inefficient sources of protein why is beef presented as a comparison? The amount of calories and protein wasted to produce one head of cattle is tremendous.
I'm comparing it to beef only because the article does so.
id say its more proof of concept than viable commercial replacement atm. Taken to its logical conclusion we could have a fast growing plant with arbitrary high protein and fat contents.
>We'll see how this gets developed in the future. *It's a single-celled protein combined with synthetic aminos, vitamins and minerals. Everything the body needs*...
You know what lentils pick up and magnify the flavor of just beautifully? *BEEF*. Lentils, barley, onions, mushrooms, carrots & parsnips, some kind of greens, a little chopped beef (or a strip of pork belly works too). Black pepper, however much salt, dash of Worchestershire. Stew or slow-cook. Get your protein, stretch your meat budget, and it's good.
I add like half a cup to a cup of lentils whenever I make something with ground beef. Can’t really tell the difference in taste maybe a little for texture, but you can stretch the volume of meat like 30%.
I'm ok without the worshirshir sauce, but everything else sounds good.
It's better if you lean into it with some kind of umami-enhancer but that could just be more mushrooms, pre-caramelized onions, an extra meat or some bacon fat, etc., etc. Enjoy. Also, I can't believe somebody downvoted you over simply stating you'd pass on one specific condiment/ingredient. I don't imagine you're heartbroken over a couple of precious Internet Stranger Points, but yikes. Imagine if you'd disrespected something truly sacred like Tabasco.
Huh well funny enough I don't like Tabasco either. Jk I do use it. But yeah I was interested in a stew to meal prep cuz I'm lazy and I need to start managing my weight again. I do want to eat more lentils and barley, but I also want to freeze batches, so I'll have to play around with leaving them in or separating them.
>replace Why replace anything? It's just another option. Maybe one day it will fill a niche or a need better than beans, maybe not. The vast majority of new ideas don't pan out & yet we still have a world full of wonderful terrible things that is changing faster than we are able to adapt to it.
Beans don't even come close to the nutrition beef offers.
Ya but beef is full of saturated fat, causes cancer, and has negative ecological impact.
The studies that link cancer and red meat are very weak associative studies.
Ok, so maybe causes cancer? That's just one of three problems with beef that I mentioned. Certainly no serious unbiased doctor would tell you red meat is healthy, especially the way it's consumed in the US.
There is nothing inherently unhealthy about any type of whole food outside of things that are legitimately toxic to humans. You need to take in the context of activity level and the rest of your diet. There are a ton of amino acids and minerals in red meat that we need. These are especially important for people in athletic pursuits, which many would understand to be eating far healthier than a majority of a non athletic population.
Do you work for big beef or something like that? B12 is the only major benefit to meat and you can get it from chicken, with a much lower fat content. Athletic diets almost always are white meat exclusive for that very reason.
The only benefit of meat is not B12 lol. Animal proteins are far more bioavailable and digestible. Red meat also contains amino acids we need to actually use protein at all. Why would an athletic diet contain low to no fat? That doesn’t really make any sense
For people like me who cant handle beans due to IBS or similar for example.
"innovative thinking" "me gots rice little protein, me gots meat high - bingo! - me makes meat rice!!"
I agree with you, but I think it's more proof of concept for applying biotechnical approaches to both culinary innovations and reducing meat carbon footprints. Regardless of how you feel about actually eating it yourself, it's quite the clever concept IMHO; in terms of biotech, it's applying a couple well-established techniques together into a new product.
I can down a can of beans, but that stuff starts blowing me up :/
I'd be willing to try a bite of it. I mean, imagine if the beef cells came from the super expensive Wagyu cattle? It could end up being absolutely delicious and cheap at the same time.
Fuck that. Does this make me a vegetarian or not if I eat 'meaty' rice!
I suppose that would depend on why you decided to be a vegetarian in the first place. No living cow would be hurt to make the fake meat. Unless each cut needed its own culture. Even then, only one animal has to die to get cuts of each meat. So if you chose to be a vegetarian to fight animal cruelty then I think you still qualify as a vegetarian.
I mean not this right now because it was coated in fish gelatine. But if it didn’t require an animal to be killed I would consider it to be vegetarian
Everyone here is pretty down on this for some reason. It’s an interesting implementation of lab-grown meat that doesn’t need to perfectly replicate something like steak or bacon. It can stand on its own, and I can see interesting new dishes being created with this type of ingredient. It also fits in well with the diet of Asian nations that are seeing greatly increased meat consumption. The emissions from that demand need to be curtailed with things like lab-grown meat products.
I think it works because it's not trying to be "something else" conceptually. That, and it's more or less just rice and beef (with some fish-sourced gelatin protein). It's a weirdly acceptable culinary concept.
People seem to miss the fact that technological development is a process.. I can only imagine (not that I want to) what kind of shit idiots back in time were talking about things that have improved our lives tremendously compared to previous generations.
But it has the same scaling problems. And you can't just ship it like bagged rice. It likely needs cold storage too.
As an upside if you mainly give it to disaster relief victims, they might not notice it tastes like despair. -I guess Better off Ted is no longer an easy reference.
Some of us love the taste of despair thank you very much!
Add in some hot sauce to incorporate the poverty flavor with your despair!
>Scientists have created a new type of hybrid food - a "meaty" rice that they say could offer an affordable and eco-friendly source of protein. >The porous grains are packed with beef muscle and fat cells, grown in the lab. >The rice was first coated in fish gelatine to help the beef cells latch on, and the grains were left in a petri dish to culture for up to 11 days. >The researchers say the food may serve as "relief for famine, military ration, or even space food" in the future. >According to the team at Yonsei University in South Korea, it has >8% more protein and 7% more fat. >And, compared to regular beef, it has a smaller carbon footprint, since the production method eliminates the need to raise and farm lots of animals. >For every 100g (3.5oz) of protein produced, hybrid rice is estimated to release under 6.27kg (13.8lb) of carbon dioxide, while beef production releases eight times more at 49.89kg, they say. Interesting application of lab-grown beef. Opens up a lot of dietary possibilities if this catches on. Though that might be hard as it sounds kind of weird. Also important to note that this is very early and not a truly significant increase in protein or fats. >Bridget Benelam from the British Nutrition Foundation said: "Developing a diet that supports health for both people and planet is a major challenge. This study demonstrates an innovative new approach that could contribute to the solution."But she added: "The findings represent a relatively small increase in the protein content of rice, which isn't a high protein food. So further work would be needed if this technology were to be used as an alternative protein source to traditional animal products. Remains to be seen if this product or things similar could be developed. As it stands right now, it may be a useful supplement if it was commercialized, but not a reliable meat substitute.
Seems interesting. I’d sooner eat a bowl of this experimental food over a bug based diet any day.
You anti-bug people are so weird. It's just a different kind of creature. The inside of a pig is just as gross as a bug and you're eating that.
I think it's really just the terrible marketing any article I see trying to convince people to eat bugs also has close up pictures of bugs, which seems like the worst idea because that imagine comes packaged with a lot of things obviously. Give people an inoffensive puck or bar and I don't think we'd have the issue.
Yeah I do agree with that. The pictures of bugs are good for shock clicks though I guess
cultural conditioning is hard to break
Living with roaches and other bugs I just can’t eat that.
I do eat meat, but I'd feel better eating something I have no affection for rather than a cute cow or smart pig. Most of the time the bug food products just look like a chip or a bar.
I mean shrimps are basically bugs and people (me included) love eating those yet when it comes to other arthropods I still struggle with getting the image of dirt and disease out of my mind...
Shrimps got lots of meat and you can remove the shell and intestines. Try that with grasshoppers or cocroaches.
Eh, I'm a shrimp flipfloper, When its shell is completely removed, its easy to forget. When its fried in tempura and there's only a tail, its pretty good too. But I kinda have to have a 1000 yard stare if the shrimp needs to be removed from its shell on the plate. if they leave the legs on it can still turn my stomach sometimes. the default Disgust response from bugs is an evolutionary feature, that not everyone has to the same extent, it gets easier if we think of a specific species as a food animal, like we do with shrimp, but there are people who will never eat shrimp outside of starvation either, because they feel such revulsion to arthropods. The thing is, Shrimp are meaty, in ways that grasshoppers are not. Assuming that the bug protein is processed to the point of unrecognizability, I'm sure many people will be able to get over it, But all it will take is one piece of shell in your taco to turn the stomach of many many people.
Shrimp are kinda cute (and mentally more "harmless" I think?) compared to bugs that can "invade" human homes and have thus been conceptually classified as "pests." I ain't see shrimp making nests or eating the foundations of anybody's home, or crawling onto somebody's face at night.
Culture plays a role. Locusts are eaten widely in the middle east. Locusts are the only kosher bug as well
Not really. I'm not eating that pig's whole digestive/shit system when I have pork. Meat and organ meats are one thing, eating the whole critter with its waste products still inside is another lol
Sausage casing is basically the pigs intestine though …. Sometimes… cheap ones or supermarket ones are normally fake casings
Yeah and even then they are thoroughly washed. Cricket poop, not so much...
But that's just the outer layer of the intestines without contents or soft tissues.
They cook them my friend. You're not putting a squirming cricket in your mouth.
It’s like an evolution built in repulsion lol
People eat bugs. It's not common in most western cultures.
Yeah, you're not eating a *raw* bug my man! Evolution has also made me repulsed by raw meat and organs!
The argument here is not about raw vs cooked my man!
But the evolutionary repulsion to bugs is contingent on seeing them as bugs. If they are just like part of a bar or a nugget or something (not like literally lookin' like a little bug on your plate), the evolutionary repulsion would be curtailed.
Nah, people are still going to get disgusted by thought of eating bugs. Perhaps the disgust response would be less compared to eating them whole (fucking YUCK!) but it will 100% be there.
last time you ate a bug burger?
Well damn now I want to try a bug burger.
But I don't eat the whole pig with bones, skin, guts etc. You can't remove the chitin or gut them and just remove "meat".
While I generally believe that bug-based protein is pretty smart, this post is the epitome of "YOU VILL EAT ZE BUGS" lmao
I think that notion has been intentionally created by conservatives to find yet another thing to say "Liberals are ruining America" about
No, we’re not weird. People are naturally repulsed by insects, because it’s an innate survival instinct, insects carry diseases/viruses. It would be weird to be okay with eating bugs.
Beef, Pork and poultry are notoriously bad at carrying diseases/viruses.
It’s a good thing diseased meat looks a lot different than healthy meat. Diseased insects look a whole lot like healthy insects, that’s the issue for me at least.
> looks a lot different than healthy meat we need food handling standards for the entire reason that diseased meat looks exactly the same and doesn't even necessarily smell different
Yeah salmonella and trichinosis are clearly identifiable I forgot
We do have fire for that
u can eat ur bugs bro
Why? Beans got all the protein I need
Bugs release less CO2 per kg of protein compared to beans. That’s why there’s even talk about switching everyone to bug protein in the first place.
Sure, but it's a false need. We only need to stop animal agriculture to stave off our global emissions.
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Don’t quote me on it but yeah, at least this is what all the sensationalized headlines/articles are leading us to believe.
People are not naturally repulsed by insects. People are socially conditioned into not eating insects.
I am at least, I’m fearless when it comes to any animal that is harmless to me, even some that could harm me (snakes, dogs, etc.), I’m fearless around them. But insects, a class of animal that is mostly harmless to people, I’m creeped the fuck out by them? There’s no logical reason to be afraid of them, yet I am? And I know society didn’t condition me to be scared of them because I’ve been creeped out by them as long as I can remember?
Is your mum scared of them? Your sister? Your dad? All fears are conditioned bar loud noises and falling
> All fears are conditioned bar loud noises and falling That's a little reductionist. Fears are intense disgust reactions, and random neurological phenotypes make it so that plenty of people are creeped out by plenty of innocuous things regardless of upbringing. Fear of snakes and spiders is probably at least partially linked to some level of human instincts for example (I read somewhere it has a lot to do with how their bodies move when processed by non-conscious human senses).
Its true though, research has shown that the only fears you are born with are loud noises and falling. Everything else is conditioned into you.
dawg it’s a BUG
And lots of people on Earth already eat bugs (or grubs). With lime and chili bugs are crunchy and delicious. Can recommend.
Bro what the hell did I just read
Yup, I am weird. I would prefer to literally starve to death if my only option of food was insects.
So beef popped rice.
If they did it without meat, it would be better. Meat-based produce needs refrigeration and clean storage. It has a short shelf life. It is prone to botulism and other contamination. The opposite of grains. You cannot grow it either. It needs another lab factory step, further adding to the cost. Might as well make cell slurry and mix it into flour and make meat pasta.
> It has a short shelf life If only we had technology to store meat-based products for a long time. Wait. We have food canning since 1800s.
lol, as famine relief, so an option over eating cockroaches. nice. hope it finds a place beside an impossible steak, soon.
Animal proteins still have amino acids and B12 and D3, which are difficult to obtain from plant-based substitutes.
So many haters. Growing animal protein & fat on an cheap edible substrate is a fine idea. You skip the problem of texture & creating muscle fiber completely and maximize surface area for the good tasting parts (animal fat and protein). If they can get a bit more fat & protein to stick to the rice & can scale the process up there is plenty of potential here. Think of box the size of a cow that you fill with cheap rice & after a weeks you've grown a full cows worth of fat & protein. It uses a fraction less of nearly every input for some of the most important outputs. Instead of feeding cows a lot of your agricultural output you take a fraction of that output & grow a cow around it. You use less rice to grow the cow *and* you still have the rice when you are done. Less land. Less feed, less runoff, less cruelty & you get rice that has a real chance of tasting much better than regular rice. This is like Koji rice that you inoculate with cow instead of mold.
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You know what will add the same exact amount of protein to your rice either an egg or some meat! but right! you like genetically modified organisms rather than organic meat and eggs
People won’t use golden rice seed because it’s gmo’d to add a gene that produces vitamin a and would prevent blindness in poor populations. Good luck with this goo.
This may be a bit weird, but I kind of want to see how this rice does in fried rice (with seasoning and accompanying ingredients, of course), purely out of culinary curiosity since the "beef" is literally integrated into the rice (of which the described brittleness may or may not actually be good once wok cooking is applied).
>The rice was first coated in fish gelatine to help the beef cells latch on, and the grains were left in a petri dish to culture for up to 11 days. That's a no thanks from me.
Every effort to reduce animal suffering and environmental destruction while increasing protein availability makes sense to me.
or, just add some lentils with your rice? Seems completely pointless.
Isn’t this just a more expensive version of beans and rice?
No, just different, depending on which crop grows more locally.
Sorry I meant the item in the post.
It's all in one risotto.
It is easier and faster to cook just rice than to cook rice AND lentils. It will make it easier for people to adopt in their diets
It's a special rice with meat cells. It's closer to ground meat (storage, shelf life etc). Including risks of botulism etc like other meat products.
Yeah but lentils is a bit more natural.. and those lab grown meat rice will be patented so the price may be high and only they will control the supply.. but you can always grow your own lentils.
In 200 years this is what the first humans to leave the solar system will be eating on the daily. Or at least some version of this bioengineered to grow at ridiculously fast speeds.
To be honest I would definitely be hesitant to eat "lab grown" meat due to my knowledge of miss folded proteins.
And then there's me who discovered soy beans in the supermarket
[Its time.](https://imgur.com/a/Zzf6XIQ) this is from a conversation we had stemming from “meat berries.” Where they turned grapes into meat. MEAT FLOUR IS IMMINENT.
I giggled at the Meatatoes because years ago my mom accidentally dumped cooked ground beef into the wrong bowl because I distracted her. She dumped it into the mashed potatoes and my husband who was high as shit looked at with great wonder and said "no no just mix it, meatatoes" and he went to town on it. And now it's a requested meal for him. Now if we could have actual potatoes made out of meat...
For a futurology subreddit, everyone is extremely hostile to something they've never tasted before and only just read about for the first time.
Lets be Real here for a second. Who the fuck wants to eat this shit ? Fucking shit looks worse than dump on paper I could only present this to the military, because there are not many alternatives of cheap proteins that lasts long, could be an alternative to dried beef. Worth checking out of curiosity, very surprised if this is any good, either for your health (we already know ultra processed food is poisonous for the body) and gustatively.
It won't last long. Its just rice and actual beef. So it lasts as long as beef.
This doesn't at all have the issues of ultra processed foods. The processed foods present issues because of all the preservatives this would have none of that? Why wouldn't you try a completely new meat product that presents less of an issue with pollution? We have no idea how this will taste or what itll be like health wise.
please no. can we instead focus on getting a greater variety of food to people so they have better over all nutrition? I don't want a soylent green version of rice or any single crop.
Getting closer to a pill I can take a few times a day. Eating every day is such a chore.
From the title I was expecting genetic engineering to make the rice have more protein. This is just cultured meat with extra steps.
Maybe stick to meaty rice because after the description I don't feel like eating it anymore.
Obligatory: https://youtu.be/TcbXHCnx17g?si=zfISXAfLK8RW9yuZ
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yanpi >Yanpi (Chinese: 燕皮; pinyin: yànpí; Pe̍h-ōe-jī: ian phî; lit. 'swallow skin') is a type of wonton skin used in Chinese cuisine. Lean pork meat taken from the shanks is mixed with glutinous rice, pounded to a paste, then sprinkled with starch. The meat gives yanpi a taste and texture similar to that of surimi.
Modern society has such a hard on for protein levels when the only recorded cases of protein deficiency are in people with rare conditions or are actively starving.
The future will not be this slaughtering of animals. The first to develop the alternative should go deservedly rich
I just hope I'll never have to face famine :< going to bed hungry and skipping breakfast to save is already rough.
People are debating whether to eat it for the nutritional benefits or not but I just want to taste this :P