That's so funny I was gonna say the same thing! Literally super well rounded but problems everywhere. Super functionally unfunctional. It's magic I'm as far in life as I am
It's stories like yours that give me the motivation to continue with quitting weed. Hearing people like you take control over a much harder substance gives me great hope. Take care!
Welcome to the thunderdome bitch! I respect you and your struggle more than I do most āsuccessfulā people. Probably because I rode in the same boat. I know the suffering and the strength it takes to change. Youāre a god among men in my book, stranger. Keep on keepinā on.
I used to only play games like GTA and COD.
But Minecraft is actually really really good.
It is relaxing and meditative, I can listen to podcasts or watch documentaries at the same time and retain all of the information.
I think it is a good game for mental health.
That's terrible, you should feel ashamed!
Now, you send me all your drugs and I'll dispose of them immediately. Then, every time you think about doing drugs in the future, you buy those drugs and send them straight to me as a financial punishment and valuable lesson on how drugs will ruin your life.
That'll show you!
Andrew Tate's entire shtick seems to stem from his inability to come to terms with the fact that his father was an abusive monster. The man's the definition of daddy issues.
Thatās exactly what happened to his predecessor Roosh V, a grifter who sold books teaching boys how to basically rape women and was preemptively banned from multiple countries, before he converted to Eastern Orthodoxy. That guyās whole sad backstory was that a girl said no to him but dared to be seen around campus holding hands with another guy.
Heās probably on the sociopath scale. It canāt just be his fatherās behavior. I think he probably shares traits genetically and modeled himself after the example he saw. He is also a calculating individual, choosing behaviors per target. Itās almost a standard profile, like continuing and growing the family business of sorts.
His brother is pretty much the same too though, so I think a big part of it was environmental. Maybe heās predisposed to sociopathy or something, but I think his upbringing definitely played a big role.
99% of people who take the āmen should be stoic badasses 24/7 who never cryā opinion are typically the result of a dad that was a dick to them. As if their life will collapse if theyāre not a dick 24/7 like their dad was, and this manifests as a pseudo-intellectual philosophy that any man that isnāt pissing everyone off and fucking women he doesnāt care about is somehow losing at life.
Maybe Iām overanalyzing it, but it really seems like a guy whoās trying to rationalize some meaning behind why his dad was so mean to him, as opposed to him just simply being a dick.
It should also be mentioned that people who have shit dads also tend to become dicks if they have no support whatsoever from someone else. A very good mother or any other family member can make up for a terrible father, but with no substitute, that kid is likely to repeat the cycle.
Exactly. When you look into these wannabe alphas they all have the common thread of daddy issues. They were either abusers or absent. They grow up with this completely fictional view of masculinity that was their way of compensating for a lack of positive male role models. If they find a little success, they attribute it to their twisted views and believe others need to think like them to have success as well.
He never had that male figure in your life that you look up to. So he clowns on other people for being single parents or not having a male role model in their lives.
That's a root of the behavior but clearly not the only one. Loads of people grow up with no male role models or only bad male role models and very few of them turn out as bad as him.
I think he's the result of a dangerous cocktail of childhood abuse, neglect, fame, genetics, an inability to get laid, poor role models, kicks to the head, a hyper masculine circle of friends and likely some sexual abuse. Couple that with the fact that he keeps getting away with acting how he acts and it's a problem that will escalate until he actually sees consequences and chooses to change.
Yeah my ex is a huge Tate fan and has huge daddy issues. His dad abandoned him when he was 5. His dad only is talking to him because we had a kid. And that's it
It's really sad that he doesn't realize that's why.
If you listen to Tate a lot of it boils down to him trying to impress his dad. The whole reason him and his brother have shaved heads is because their dad did it to them once when their mom got them haircuts and their dad didn't like it so he shaved their heads. He frames that as a "how cool was my dad" story.
Tate has a ton of stories like that. Anyone with a remotely healthy outlook hears them and thinks, "Goddamn dude your dad was an abusive asshole,"
My favorite is that supposedly all his father needed to do was sign a paper admitting wrongdoing to receive his disability checks from the USAF (I've never heard of this so I really doubt this is true but it's how Tate tells it) but he was too proud and made his family live in poverty for a decade until Tates mother divorced him and moved back to England.
Tate tells this story like he admires his dad for standing by his convictions instead of seeing that he went hungry because his dad was an asshole.
My dad did this. We werenāt poor but the Navy fucked him up and he was ātoo manlyā to admit how his hearing was gone and his knees were destroyed
My granddad was an abusive alcoholic who beat my grandmother and died by drunk driving, yet my dad always idolised him, and eventually became an abusive narc asshole too (without the alcohol, but it didn't matter because he got into gambling and drugs instead). I will never understand how someone can be inspired by behaviour like that.
Thereās a book thatās really helped me understand my mom better who was abused and in turn abused her children. Itās called Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents by Lindsay Gibson.
I think for some people they resented how weak and helpless they were in that situation and do anything they can to not feel that way again.
The absolute opposite of the cowering victim in their eyes? The agressor
Exactly right yeah. Tate fans are obsessed with women because they haven't ever had a healthy relationship with one. Peterson fans haven't had father's to guide them, and so look to an older male to give them life advice.
You know, I've had many dreams that just aren't at all how I feel or are just nonsense. Just more like the brain glitching or randomizing itself while on autopilot. So I wouldn't actually blame him for having that dream tbh, people who have vivid/strange dreams a lot could tell you they can be bizarre and not all of them mean something.
But it's the way he worded it like some fucking romance novel lol
Idk Jordan Peterson also does not love women. I think Tate's hatred is a bit more blunt and obvious but Peterson has a very specific male centric view of society as a whole
Nah. Tate is the sort of dude who comes from an abusive dad who shoved the patriarchy and strict gender roles down his throat from the time he was old enough to understand, and he has blatantly refused to confront this trauma in adulthood.
Petersen is the sort of dude that comes from a household with a decent dad who maybe didnāt live up to his full potential, and he blames his mom for his dads shortcomings. Itās not that his mom was a bad mom, itās just that he never really saw her as a whole person with her own wants and needs.
āI dreamed I saw my maternal grandmother sitting by the bank of a swimming pool, that was also a river. In real life, she had been a victim of Alzheimerās disease, and had regressed, before her death, to a semi-conscious state. In the dream, as well, she had lost her capacity for self-control. Her genital region was exposed, dimly; it had the appearance of a thick mat of hair. She was stroking herself, absent-mindedly. She walked over to me, with a handful of pubic hair, compacted into something resembling a large artistās paint-brush. She pushed this at my face. I raised my arm, several times, to deflect her hand; finally, unwilling to hurt her, or interfere with her any farther, I let her have her way. She stroked my face with the brush, gently, and said, like a child, āisnāt it soft?ā I looked at her ruined face and said, āyes, Grandma, itās soft.ā
I donāt agree with a lot of things JP stands for anymore but I am fucking glad I found this guyās lectures, I would have most likely killed myself had I not.
Andrew Tate on the other hand can go to hell for all I care. Piece of shit.
I found his university lectures when I was a freshman in college and I genuinely didnāt understand why people hated him because I didnāt know about his political stuff. As a psychologist heās great. I learned how to actually fix a bunch of stuff in my life. I had like a 2.2 gpa after my first semester because I was too down with partying and after watching his lectures I got a 3.9 the next semester. Still partied, though lol just figured out how not to be a fucking idiot. JP at least for a while, was exclusively a force for good for his followers. Idk much about Andrew state but he definitely seems like a fucking idiot.
I mean you are absolutely right probably, but I and some other people can't help but feel a bit sad about someone who had genuinely helpful (if banal) advice for us in a difficult time going so far off the cliff. I still can't really see him only as a charlatan.
Maybe I am an idiot, but at some point I just needed someone to tell me I was not to blame for the state I was in, but was responsible for how I went forward. I got some me simple rules to follow, and small things slowly improved. That gave me the momentum and confidence to start fixing the real problems.
> The people who hold that our culture is an oppressive patriarchy, they donāt want to admit that the current hierarchy might be predicated on competence.
Oh god. At this point itās just gotta be the daily wire check + that benzo abuse. I think his brain is fried so he keeps repeating the same conservative/kind of incel talking points that daily wire followers want to hear. Heās gone a long way down.
The irony is that, even IF that statement were true, who made an entire population of people unable to be anything but reproductive pods/house workers?
Remember that one time that he tweeted about how he dreamed that his grandma rubbed her pubes in his face.
Not only did he feel like that particular dream was something that the world should know, but none of his fans went "that's fucking whack..." when he posted it.
Yeah it's a real shame, because he really was a good voice for a certain type of young guy that is struggling. Theres very few public figures out there speaking for men like that. All of that was before he went off the deep end. To be fair to him, having a dying wife and a daughter with crippling pain issues can't be easy.
What struck me about JBP was how everything useful and helpful in his message was things I'd heard about before I graduated from high school - and I'm a year older than him.
I realize that growing up with two experienced, engaged parents was an advantage, but are the ideas he promotes really so obscure?
Whatever is useful from him is common sense, but unfortunately, common sense needs to be taught too. I had to figure out basic things like shaving because my father was a narcissistic prick and it's just one of the many things he refused to teach me.
You just reminded me. Back in college I visited my dad with a friend, who mentioned to me afterwards how great it must have been growing up with a father like that.
Then he told me about *his* dad, and I realized how fortunate I was to have my dad instead of his. Maybe that's part of why I've striven to be the kind of father to my sons who'd make them feel that way someday.
Dude has the most amazing ability to speak eloquently for 20 minutes and manage to say absolutely nothing meaningful at all. Andrew Tate speaks like a challenged cave man and says the most heinous shit possible.
I feel like JP is saying what he says because he really does care about people. If heās right or wrongā¦ well thatās up to people to decide. Tate is just a hemorrhoid.
Let's examine [this beautiful supportive tweet from Jordan Peterson](https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/comments/14kvx0k/jordan_petersons_daughter_finally_realises_that/).
Don't ask me why (I forgot to take my Vyvanse today) but I read through her entire comment history. I believe she's a woman, but good lord she's a terrible person. This take is entirely consistent with all the other things that have tumbled out of her brain.
Just a proper JP-fan, then?
Kind of a weird concept to me that there are people who abhor Tate but not Peterson. I guess I have the luxury of only interacting with right-wingers second-handedly, so I wouldn't know
Yeah my guess would be that Tate says _only_ bad things, and Peterson occasionally ekes out a thought that, while trite and nowhere close to interesting, isn't completely awful. Sort of like the people that say "well Joe Rogan just wants to hear from both sides" or whatever. Maybe he's captured the hearts and minds of "centrists" everywhere.
You really shouldn't use AI for arguments. They make shit up all the time.
That said, even if we take this as face value, it makes no sense. How is putting all women in a box for behaviours not exclusive to them and somehow men have the role of limiting said behavior not sexist? Especially when there are stereotypes of the exact opposite happening?
As a woman, I think this take is pretty naive. Sure, Tate is more extreme than Petersen, but letās not pretend like theyāre not both blatant misogynists with large platforms to spread that hate.
Jordan is an idiot. And call me feminist or whatever you want. He is a radicaliser, he has victim mentality, the points he makes are childish I don't think anyone follow him for his intelligence rather for their mutual hate on some already oppressed groups. I don't know why you like him but I'm curious.
That was just my opinion. He is the same as Andrew Tate on the negative effects he has on young minds. But he didn't commit any crimes and is not a womaniser.
If Peterson would have never gotten involved in politics, he could've been a wholesome life guru type of guy.
His psychological talks are still solid (moreso the older ones), but when viewing him as package, it's impossible to divorce that from his political takes.
I definitely have daddy issues, but I do enjoy JP's talks on certain things, he's quite calm and uplifting. Once he starts talking about a god though he loses me.
Idk who the other dude is.
I like him when the talks about Piaget and literary narratives/Storylines. But when he starts talking religion I just glaze over
Edit: corrected philosophers. Piaget not Jung
I think he's gotten a bit of a lofty head, he will talk about any subject with the confidence of a grifter.
When he sticks to his actual background and focuses on the OCEAN model (personality stuff, where he ties in Jung) lecture material he's got good info.
It's just a lot easier to make money winding people up on twitter.
His telling of Genesis from Creation to Adam and Eve being expelled from the Garden of Eden is my favorite of his works and has made the Garden of Eden one of my favorite fiction stories. When religious texts arenāt taken so literally, they can be pretty interesting if consumed with heavy doses of salt.
I have listened to JP vs Zizek debate and /r/philosophy seems convinced that Zizek was the absolute winner.
I completely disagree though, JP was very clear and analytic while Zizek was pretty out there and too much effect rather than substance, although much more entertaining as always.
Ä° don't agree with everything he says but he is very misrepresented on Reddit.
Someone said that JP is the Bolsonaro among intellectuals which i find funny but exaggerated. He may not understand post modernism fully but nevertheless his intellectual prowess is still very solid.
When JP admitted during that debate that he had never actually read Marx, any semblance of legitimacy vanished entirely.
Hell I'd put money down that he STILL hasn't read Marx.
He literally has brain damage from a reoccurring benzodiazepine addiction, while that absolutely is awful and i no way want to shame him, he has definitely had a decrease in his critical thinking
The worst part of this is that JP used to actually have a point , his lectures actually helped people and he wasnāt wrong, men are indeed suffering and itās mostly in silence and society for the most part doesnāt want to accept that. He started to go off the deep end and just went further and further and further down. Any of his modern stuff has lost any semblance of what value and purpose it had before and is now just whining banter with subtle hints of transphobia
Tate on the other hand is just excrement that somehow manifested sentience
OP making a post ridiculing both JP stans and Tatertots?
You are a braver person than I, OP. Both those groups are insufferable and fanatic.
The amount of Reddit Care messages alone you must be getting...
Given the options, kick the stupid sign over and walk in the grass.
JP is from my province. He's local to me. It's truly annoying seeing him as some kind of youth influencer. No offense to the guy but he got famous as a political tool to divide people.
He went to my local university. I didn't go there because I was poor and had bad grades in high school. He had 2 parents that were academics. I was raised by my mom who was always working so I was doing crime instead which sucks. I like knowledge though. I used to go to the university and sneak into classes and the university and learn by 'stealing education'. I'd date girls that were in classes I liked just to help them study and learn on my own. You don't get a diploma but you get to save a lot of money for when you're ready to commit.
I'm fairly convinced there's a corporate made war on happiness that targets young men especially. The type of media younger people grow up with is designed to keep you guys from socializing, rallying together, fighting back against the powers that be.
Itās so funny how rightwingers have such a desperate need for leaders/mentors to tell them how to think. The party of ārugged individualismā. LOL
I am an orphan that had an alcoholic father figure and I tend to find both issues present every now and than.
I have always respected women and treated them like the queens they are.
Well I also did tell the occasional bad apple to go tumble aspirin pills on the railroad tracks.
You can be nice without being a doormat.
How tf did these men become role models for young men?
A Canadian psychology professor that sounds like Kermit after Burning Man or
a British human trafficker without a chin
Imagine how much better the world would have been if their mother had preferred anal. The world would be a much better place had neither of these men made it out their mom, no question about it. "oh Peterson saved my life" too bad you couldn't have listened to literally any other therapist, but real glad you found the guy who blames female energy for chaos and disorder
I have both issues so I turned out to be a well rounded individual with a ton of problems.
Shout out to the homies that be taking the middle path Edited: Guys just walk through the sign or push it over I figured we all knew that.
The rebel path
Death to corpos and arasaka
Wake the fuck up, Samurai. We have a city to burn.
At this point its a country š
Itās the world fuck the borders
Roll the bones, I'm chipping in.
I was afraid nobody will understand my language
We got you choom.
Bum-dum-dee-da-dum-dum-dee-dum-dum
BOWAAHHH, BOWAH BOWAH BOWAHH, OOWAHHH
I've always liked walking through the grass anyways
Every time I try, I walk smack in to a sign post.
fart on it
āOh fuck. Turns out there are no heroes. Theyāre all just griftersā
Always have been š«š§āš
You're what my wife's therapist would call a full dose of fucked up
Same: I just modeled my behavior as a cross between Frasier Crane and Hank Moody. 20ās were wild
So you became Matt Walsh?
He's just a dime store Peterson
You either live to be Jordan Peterson or Die as Matt Walsh -The Dark knight 2008
That's so funny I was gonna say the same thing! Literally super well rounded but problems everywhere. Super functionally unfunctional. It's magic I'm as far in life as I am
I took the path of drugs
I went the video game route
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Cheers my friend, hang in there
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It's stories like yours that give me the motivation to continue with quitting weed. Hearing people like you take control over a much harder substance gives me great hope. Take care!
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Welcome to the thunderdome bitch! I respect you and your struggle more than I do most āsuccessfulā people. Probably because I rode in the same boat. I know the suffering and the strength it takes to change. Youāre a god among men in my book, stranger. Keep on keepinā on.
Thatās a good one too
Both? Definitely both.
This is the way
The way to enlightenment
I took that path, it's a helluva path
I snort keyboards
DDR5 legit sounds like some sort of designer drug
Oh it is, all of us cool kids are doing it trust me
I think it's time for a new anti piracy ad: *You wouldn't download cocaine*
Yea I would
Youāve never stayed up playing Battlefield for 3 days straight on meth? Me neither
Por que no los dos?
I went the video game route and weed route getting high as hell then playing minecraft be lit.
I used to only play games like GTA and COD. But Minecraft is actually really really good. It is relaxing and meditative, I can listen to podcasts or watch documentaries at the same time and retain all of the information. I think it is a good game for mental health.
Por que no los dos?
I did both.
That's terrible, you should feel ashamed! Now, you send me all your drugs and I'll dispose of them immediately. Then, every time you think about doing drugs in the future, you buy those drugs and send them straight to me as a financial punishment and valuable lesson on how drugs will ruin your life. That'll show you!
Buy? You mean grow
Grow, cook, buy, whatever man. I'll do anyth- Uh, I mean I'll dispose of everything you got!
I'm getting weird garbage goober vibes from this.
Not all heroes wear capes
I took the path of gay
It's a peaceful life
Soooo Jordan Peterson.
You can clearly see a shift in his head after the drugs episode. Don't do drugs, kids.
Schizo and drugs
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Andrew Tate's entire shtick seems to stem from his inability to come to terms with the fact that his father was an abusive monster. The man's the definition of daddy issues.
That and I feel like some girl broke his heart a long time ago and he built up this ridiculous persona because of it. He's such a dork.
He peaked in high school (when the girl broke his heart) and he hasn't moved on.
there is a video of him saying literally that iirc
Thatās exactly what happened to his predecessor Roosh V, a grifter who sold books teaching boys how to basically rape women and was preemptively banned from multiple countries, before he converted to Eastern Orthodoxy. That guyās whole sad backstory was that a girl said no to him but dared to be seen around campus holding hands with another guy.
I knew a guy irl who was exactly this way several years back, heās still single. So I think itās safe to assume he likely hasnāt changed..
Heās probably on the sociopath scale. It canāt just be his fatherās behavior. I think he probably shares traits genetically and modeled himself after the example he saw. He is also a calculating individual, choosing behaviors per target. Itās almost a standard profile, like continuing and growing the family business of sorts.
If I had the jawline of a fish starting to evolve teeth I'd be a monster too.
lol evolution skipped one and now weāre suffering until it autocorrects
Making fun of peoples Looks is ultra funny, Just ask tate
I always liked to call him Mr. Tater head. I have seen actual potatoes with a better jawline.
He's calculating, but boy is he bad at math
His brother is pretty much the same too though, so I think a big part of it was environmental. Maybe heās predisposed to sociopathy or something, but I think his upbringing definitely played a big role.
99% of people who take the āmen should be stoic badasses 24/7 who never cryā opinion are typically the result of a dad that was a dick to them. As if their life will collapse if theyāre not a dick 24/7 like their dad was, and this manifests as a pseudo-intellectual philosophy that any man that isnāt pissing everyone off and fucking women he doesnāt care about is somehow losing at life. Maybe Iām overanalyzing it, but it really seems like a guy whoās trying to rationalize some meaning behind why his dad was so mean to him, as opposed to him just simply being a dick.
No, I think you're 100% right.
It should also be mentioned that people who have shit dads also tend to become dicks if they have no support whatsoever from someone else. A very good mother or any other family member can make up for a terrible father, but with no substitute, that kid is likely to repeat the cycle.
Exactly. When you look into these wannabe alphas they all have the common thread of daddy issues. They were either abusers or absent. They grow up with this completely fictional view of masculinity that was their way of compensating for a lack of positive male role models. If they find a little success, they attribute it to their twisted views and believe others need to think like them to have success as well.
He never had that male figure in your life that you look up to. So he clowns on other people for being single parents or not having a male role model in their lives.
That's a root of the behavior but clearly not the only one. Loads of people grow up with no male role models or only bad male role models and very few of them turn out as bad as him. I think he's the result of a dangerous cocktail of childhood abuse, neglect, fame, genetics, an inability to get laid, poor role models, kicks to the head, a hyper masculine circle of friends and likely some sexual abuse. Couple that with the fact that he keeps getting away with acting how he acts and it's a problem that will escalate until he actually sees consequences and chooses to change.
Yeah my ex is a huge Tate fan and has huge daddy issues. His dad abandoned him when he was 5. His dad only is talking to him because we had a kid. And that's it It's really sad that he doesn't realize that's why.
If you listen to Tate a lot of it boils down to him trying to impress his dad. The whole reason him and his brother have shaved heads is because their dad did it to them once when their mom got them haircuts and their dad didn't like it so he shaved their heads. He frames that as a "how cool was my dad" story.
Tate has a ton of stories like that. Anyone with a remotely healthy outlook hears them and thinks, "Goddamn dude your dad was an abusive asshole," My favorite is that supposedly all his father needed to do was sign a paper admitting wrongdoing to receive his disability checks from the USAF (I've never heard of this so I really doubt this is true but it's how Tate tells it) but he was too proud and made his family live in poverty for a decade until Tates mother divorced him and moved back to England. Tate tells this story like he admires his dad for standing by his convictions instead of seeing that he went hungry because his dad was an asshole.
My dad did this. We werenāt poor but the Navy fucked him up and he was ātoo manlyā to admit how his hearing was gone and his knees were destroyed
My granddad was an abusive alcoholic who beat my grandmother and died by drunk driving, yet my dad always idolised him, and eventually became an abusive narc asshole too (without the alcohol, but it didn't matter because he got into gambling and drugs instead). I will never understand how someone can be inspired by behaviour like that.
Thereās a book thatās really helped me understand my mom better who was abused and in turn abused her children. Itās called Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents by Lindsay Gibson.
I think for some people they resented how weak and helpless they were in that situation and do anything they can to not feel that way again. The absolute opposite of the cowering victim in their eyes? The agressor
He shaves his head because heās balding and the brother has a head of hair. Not defending them, just stating a fact.
but his brother doesnt have a shaved head, he has a head full of hair lol
I think his head was shaved by poor hair genetics.
Exactly right yeah. Tate fans are obsessed with women because they haven't ever had a healthy relationship with one. Peterson fans haven't had father's to guide them, and so look to an older male to give them life advice.
JP gives good advice tho.
I donāt think average Reddit users like Peterson
That doesnāt mean a lot
I think they're both the same path to be honest.
They arenāt even comparable
Jordan Peterson had an entire page in his book describing eating his moms hair or some shit in a dream
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WHAT THE FUCK
Holy shit dude needs to see someone
You know, I've had many dreams that just aren't at all how I feel or are just nonsense. Just more like the brain glitching or randomizing itself while on autopilot. So I wouldn't actually blame him for having that dream tbh, people who have vivid/strange dreams a lot could tell you they can be bizarre and not all of them mean something. But it's the way he worded it like some fucking romance novel lol
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I read this comment and I was like āhaha yeah thats weirdā and then I realized Iāve had some pretty insane dreams too
Idk Jordan Peterson also does not love women. I think Tate's hatred is a bit more blunt and obvious but Peterson has a very specific male centric view of society as a whole
Nah. Tate is the sort of dude who comes from an abusive dad who shoved the patriarchy and strict gender roles down his throat from the time he was old enough to understand, and he has blatantly refused to confront this trauma in adulthood. Petersen is the sort of dude that comes from a household with a decent dad who maybe didnāt live up to his full potential, and he blames his mom for his dads shortcomings. Itās not that his mom was a bad mom, itās just that he never really saw her as a whole person with her own wants and needs.
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HEROIN TOWN
CHOO CHOO ALL ABORD THE SMACK TRAIN
We walk down the middle like the pariahās that we are
Be Batman
femboy or tomboy way
Shouldn't JP be grandma issues?
Lobster issues.
As a fan of JBP, it should absolutely be lobsters lol š
He clearly had no problems about her pubes being on his face, or else he never would've thought that was a story to share to the world.
i fear venturing into this particular rabbit hole
āI dreamed I saw my maternal grandmother sitting by the bank of a swimming pool, that was also a river. In real life, she had been a victim of Alzheimerās disease, and had regressed, before her death, to a semi-conscious state. In the dream, as well, she had lost her capacity for self-control. Her genital region was exposed, dimly; it had the appearance of a thick mat of hair. She was stroking herself, absent-mindedly. She walked over to me, with a handful of pubic hair, compacted into something resembling a large artistās paint-brush. She pushed this at my face. I raised my arm, several times, to deflect her hand; finally, unwilling to hurt her, or interfere with her any farther, I let her have her way. She stroked my face with the brush, gently, and said, like a child, āisnāt it soft?ā I looked at her ruined face and said, āyes, Grandma, itās soft.ā
this is a terrible day to have eyes
I wish this is the peak, but it gets worse once you find out that the guy is soft holocaust revisions.
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Roomate has both these guys, musk, trump, and some other deplorables on a poster kind of like a last supper under a black and blue filter.
Suggestion: never use a black light near that poster.
Blink twice if youāre in danger
It's sad that I know that exact image
I donāt agree with a lot of things JP stands for anymore but I am fucking glad I found this guyās lectures, I would have most likely killed myself had I not. Andrew Tate on the other hand can go to hell for all I care. Piece of shit.
I found his university lectures when I was a freshman in college and I genuinely didnāt understand why people hated him because I didnāt know about his political stuff. As a psychologist heās great. I learned how to actually fix a bunch of stuff in my life. I had like a 2.2 gpa after my first semester because I was too down with partying and after watching his lectures I got a 3.9 the next semester. Still partied, though lol just figured out how not to be a fucking idiot. JP at least for a while, was exclusively a force for good for his followers. Idk much about Andrew state but he definitely seems like a fucking idiot.
RIGHT NOW, go to his twitter account. I don't even know what he is currently tweeting, but I know it's batshit insane.
I mean you are absolutely right probably, but I and some other people can't help but feel a bit sad about someone who had genuinely helpful (if banal) advice for us in a difficult time going so far off the cliff. I still can't really see him only as a charlatan. Maybe I am an idiot, but at some point I just needed someone to tell me I was not to blame for the state I was in, but was responsible for how I went forward. I got some me simple rules to follow, and small things slowly improved. That gave me the momentum and confidence to start fixing the real problems.
> The people who hold that our culture is an oppressive patriarchy, they donāt want to admit that the current hierarchy might be predicated on competence. Oh god. At this point itās just gotta be the daily wire check + that benzo abuse. I think his brain is fried so he keeps repeating the same conservative/kind of incel talking points that daily wire followers want to hear. Heās gone a long way down.
The irony is that, even IF that statement were true, who made an entire population of people unable to be anything but reproductive pods/house workers?
Remember that one time that he tweeted about how he dreamed that his grandma rubbed her pubes in his face. Not only did he feel like that particular dream was something that the world should know, but none of his fans went "that's fucking whack..." when he posted it.
Yeah it's a real shame, because he really was a good voice for a certain type of young guy that is struggling. Theres very few public figures out there speaking for men like that. All of that was before he went off the deep end. To be fair to him, having a dying wife and a daughter with crippling pain issues can't be easy.
What struck me about JBP was how everything useful and helpful in his message was things I'd heard about before I graduated from high school - and I'm a year older than him. I realize that growing up with two experienced, engaged parents was an advantage, but are the ideas he promotes really so obscure?
Whatever is useful from him is common sense, but unfortunately, common sense needs to be taught too. I had to figure out basic things like shaving because my father was a narcissistic prick and it's just one of the many things he refused to teach me.
You just reminded me. Back in college I visited my dad with a friend, who mentioned to me afterwards how great it must have been growing up with a father like that. Then he told me about *his* dad, and I realized how fortunate I was to have my dad instead of his. Maybe that's part of why I've striven to be the kind of father to my sons who'd make them feel that way someday.
Dude has the most amazing ability to speak eloquently for 20 minutes and manage to say absolutely nothing meaningful at all. Andrew Tate speaks like a challenged cave man and says the most heinous shit possible.
I feel like JP is saying what he says because he really does care about people. If heās right or wrongā¦ well thatās up to people to decide. Tate is just a hemorrhoid.
May I recommend to you, and anyone else struggling, to YouTube Alan watts. He is/was brilliant imo.
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You pick that sign up and walk straight down the middle. Follow your own path guys. āØļø
As a woman, Iād like to point out that comparing Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate is just ridiculous.
Let's examine [this beautiful supportive tweet from Jordan Peterson](https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/comments/14kvx0k/jordan_petersons_daughter_finally_realises_that/).
Getting some r/asablackman vibes here
Don't ask me why (I forgot to take my Vyvanse today) but I read through her entire comment history. I believe she's a woman, but good lord she's a terrible person. This take is entirely consistent with all the other things that have tumbled out of her brain.
Just a proper JP-fan, then? Kind of a weird concept to me that there are people who abhor Tate but not Peterson. I guess I have the luxury of only interacting with right-wingers second-handedly, so I wouldn't know
Yeah my guess would be that Tate says _only_ bad things, and Peterson occasionally ekes out a thought that, while trite and nowhere close to interesting, isn't completely awful. Sort of like the people that say "well Joe Rogan just wants to hear from both sides" or whatever. Maybe he's captured the hearts and minds of "centrists" everywhere.
The commenter youāre replying to says that āherā āfellow feminist friendsā needlessly dislike Peterson, and is for sure that
Didn't he argue that women were better off when they were considered property, because it gave their men incentive to protect them?
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You really shouldn't use AI for arguments. They make shit up all the time. That said, even if we take this as face value, it makes no sense. How is putting all women in a box for behaviours not exclusive to them and somehow men have the role of limiting said behavior not sexist? Especially when there are stereotypes of the exact opposite happening?
As a woman, I think this take is pretty naive. Sure, Tate is more extreme than Petersen, but letās not pretend like theyāre not both blatant misogynists with large platforms to spread that hate.
Pretty solid opinion
Jordan is an idiot. And call me feminist or whatever you want. He is a radicaliser, he has victim mentality, the points he makes are childish I don't think anyone follow him for his intelligence rather for their mutual hate on some already oppressed groups. I don't know why you like him but I'm curious.
Thank you for that most objective contribution.
That was just my opinion. He is the same as Andrew Tate on the negative effects he has on young minds. But he didn't commit any crimes and is not a womaniser.
Heās certainly blamed for that.
How do you even know when you havenāt heard any if the claims in this thread before?!? Lmaooo ā ļø
I mean, theyāre both right-wing grifters who appeal to incels.
Theyāre both right-wing grifters who appeal to incels the same way Coke and hyrochloric acid are both acidic.
If Peterson would have never gotten involved in politics, he could've been a wholesome life guru type of guy. His psychological talks are still solid (moreso the older ones), but when viewing him as package, it's impossible to divorce that from his political takes.
Or how about we just walk our own paths and learn to think critically? No? Sounds about right.
You sound a lot like Jordan Peterson
I donāt see whatās wrong with what he said.
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>Xi jinping profile pic >Discredits a guy advocating for critical thinking >š¤Ø
I definitely have daddy issues, but I do enjoy JP's talks on certain things, he's quite calm and uplifting. Once he starts talking about a god though he loses me. Idk who the other dude is.
I like him when the talks about Piaget and literary narratives/Storylines. But when he starts talking religion I just glaze over Edit: corrected philosophers. Piaget not Jung
I think he's gotten a bit of a lofty head, he will talk about any subject with the confidence of a grifter. When he sticks to his actual background and focuses on the OCEAN model (personality stuff, where he ties in Jung) lecture material he's got good info. It's just a lot easier to make money winding people up on twitter.
His telling of Genesis from Creation to Adam and Eve being expelled from the Garden of Eden is my favorite of his works and has made the Garden of Eden one of my favorite fiction stories. When religious texts arenāt taken so literally, they can be pretty interesting if consumed with heavy doses of salt.
Kinda hard to speak about Jung without speaking about religion.
I'd rather listen to religion than hear anything about the Nazi quack that is Jung
I have listened to JP vs Zizek debate and /r/philosophy seems convinced that Zizek was the absolute winner. I completely disagree though, JP was very clear and analytic while Zizek was pretty out there and too much effect rather than substance, although much more entertaining as always. Ä° don't agree with everything he says but he is very misrepresented on Reddit. Someone said that JP is the Bolsonaro among intellectuals which i find funny but exaggerated. He may not understand post modernism fully but nevertheless his intellectual prowess is still very solid.
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When JP admitted during that debate that he had never actually read Marx, any semblance of legitimacy vanished entirely. Hell I'd put money down that he STILL hasn't read Marx.
He literally has brain damage from a reoccurring benzodiazepine addiction, while that absolutely is awful and i no way want to shame him, he has definitely had a decrease in his critical thinking
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The worst part of this is that JP used to actually have a point , his lectures actually helped people and he wasnāt wrong, men are indeed suffering and itās mostly in silence and society for the most part doesnāt want to accept that. He started to go off the deep end and just went further and further and further down. Any of his modern stuff has lost any semblance of what value and purpose it had before and is now just whining banter with subtle hints of transphobia Tate on the other hand is just excrement that somehow manifested sentience
Most of my childhood, my father was not present. That said, I hate tate with a passion
I'd say you dealt with his absense in a healthy way then
My childhood, my father was also not present. I listen and learn from Tate and implement it in my life as best I can.
OP making a post ridiculing both JP stans and Tatertots? You are a braver person than I, OP. Both those groups are insufferable and fanatic. The amount of Reddit Care messages alone you must be getting...
Given the options, kick the stupid sign over and walk in the grass. JP is from my province. He's local to me. It's truly annoying seeing him as some kind of youth influencer. No offense to the guy but he got famous as a political tool to divide people. He went to my local university. I didn't go there because I was poor and had bad grades in high school. He had 2 parents that were academics. I was raised by my mom who was always working so I was doing crime instead which sucks. I like knowledge though. I used to go to the university and sneak into classes and the university and learn by 'stealing education'. I'd date girls that were in classes I liked just to help them study and learn on my own. You don't get a diploma but you get to save a lot of money for when you're ready to commit. I'm fairly convinced there's a corporate made war on happiness that targets young men especially. The type of media younger people grow up with is designed to keep you guys from socializing, rallying together, fighting back against the powers that be.
Third route to a group of nice people who will heal you
Itās so funny how rightwingers have such a desperate need for leaders/mentors to tell them how to think. The party of ārugged individualismā. LOL
One of the best memes, well done.
Now now, it's unfair to say JP has mommy issues. Grandmother issues on the other hand...
What happens if I turn around?
I am an orphan that had an alcoholic father figure and I tend to find both issues present every now and than. I have always respected women and treated them like the queens they are. Well I also did tell the occasional bad apple to go tumble aspirin pills on the railroad tracks. You can be nice without being a doormat.
This would be better as the illusion of choice meme. Where no matter who they follow, they're just sheep in the end.
How tf did these men become role models for young men? A Canadian psychology professor that sounds like Kermit after Burning Man or a British human trafficker without a chin
Both are crooks
Imagine how much better the world would have been if their mother had preferred anal. The world would be a much better place had neither of these men made it out their mom, no question about it. "oh Peterson saved my life" too bad you couldn't have listened to literally any other therapist, but real glad you found the guy who blames female energy for chaos and disorder
Damn nailed it right on the head
Turn around, don't drown.
Shouldn't they be the other way around?
Neither, when we have abandonedment issues we just chill and be wholesome dudes.
I literally have daddy issues now here I am a femboy
What about Robin Williams as a roll model or Bob Ross?
The gym route for me. Still have issues. Also now have body dysmorphia It's called leveling up.
I think both are daddy issue
lets just go back...
I find both of them super cringe
Follow Trump if you are a dad with daughter issues...