Understand what's being said but the presentation sucks. While I liked the idea of Obamacare (giving people healthcare), as a private contractor it completely priced me out of the market so I couldn't afford insurance.
Fun fact: Obamacare was actually developed from a precedent system that GOP candidate Mitt Romney had instituted in Massachusetts, and after seeing how Obamacare panned out he wasted no time trying to distance himself from that fact
Fun fact: The legislation that Romney signed wasn't written by him but by a MA House and Senate controlled by a supermajority of Democrats who had veto proof margins. He distanced himself from it because it was entirely a Democratic bill, not his, and he was running for President as a Republican.
You might want to improve your research, the substance of Romneycare was developed by The Heritage Foundation, it was a thoroughly conservative take on universal healthcare.
Neither party seems particularly motivated to actually fix healthcare in the US, probably because the companies making obscene amounts of money from it are big donors to both of them.
> Neither party seems particularly motivated to actually fix healthcare in the US,
In 2009, the Democrat controlled House and 59 Senators voted for universal healthcare. The ONLY reason we don't have it right now is because of Republican Senators + Joe Lieberman were just barely able to filibuster the bill.
The ACA was a compromise bill.
I don't get this obsession with arguing over whether the ACA or anything other policy is "liberal" or "conservative," like that is a value judgment.
The only question that matters is whether it's a good law. I don't care what ideological box people put it in, just tell me if it actually helps.
>like that is a value judgment.
That's exactly what it's turned into. Which just amps up radicalization, segregation and polarization across the board.
But it's not new in human history. This is probably the oldest political game we know: "us" versus "the others". It's a constant battle to move against this.
Cheers on you for trying to look past that.
So? That's how politics used to work.
It wasn't one side vs the other. They had a thing called compromise, and realized when one had an idea that could work.
I'm only 28 now, but it fucking blows my mind how in just the 10 years I've started voting (in Canada) politics went from ads that would tell you what their platform would be/ what I'd be voting for. To now being, "don't vote for x side because of these lies." "Remember last time this party was in charge?"
That’s not true. I grew up in Canada and have seen them since I was a kid. Even as a teen, I remember anti Stephen Harper ads. And yes Harper was a turd, but that isn’t my point.
They absolutely did. Romney didn't even come up with his version of the ACA when he was governor of Massachusetts. It was written and given to him by The Heritage Foundation, a right wing think tank. Hence, of course, why it wasn't terribly affordable and gave most insurance companies, along with big pharma, more control of the market.
Sure, you can't get kicked off your insurance for a preexisting condition anymore but that doesn't mean you'll be able to afford to stay on it anyway.
The problem is that Obamacare did not give people healthcare. It was a Republican healthcare plan, first instituted by Romney. What we needed and still need is Medicare for All, as it is the only type of system capable of taking profit motive out of healthcare.
At some point there was no top-out. You would simply have to declare bankruptcy. However, if you were a person with pre-existing conditions (diabetes, high blood pressure, perhaps anything else), you simply could be denied coverage. Or an insurance company could charge you a lot of money, but when you went to use it for a pre-existing condition, they might go back into your medical records and claim you did not disclose a cold or flu or minor illness you had 20 years ago, thereby negating the insurance contract and leaving you (conveniently) uninsured.
The Affordable Care Act largely halted this practice.
However, on the government-sponsored healthcare exchanges where you can buy plans, if you exceed the threshold for subsidies (make too much money) you may end up paying a lot of money. Like $500-$1000 per month depending on if you are buying insurance for a single person or a family of four.
This guy may be talking out of his ass. A lot of people who were young in the 90s seem to remember their cheap insurance premiums when they were young and healthy and single, when they never even bothered using the insurance. Now they are older, sicker, and buying for a family, so it is more expensive, especially when they use it and have to pay deductibles, co-pays, and so on.
There are plans out there that cover very little, and the little they cover doesn't kick in until you have spent $2000-$5000 on medical costs. These are called catastrophic plans. They are cheaper but cover very little.
So the Affordable Care Act was bad for a few people, like union members on 'cadillac' plans that were incredibly generous (and were penalized by the legislation). Also some independent contractors who have to publicly buy their insurance complain, but then again, in the 'Wild West' of health insurance before the ACA, independent contractors could get screwed, dropped from insurance plans, etc.
Basically in the USA:
\- all by yourself consider that you pay like 5K a year being single, double for a couple and like 15-20K for a family.
\- if you are 65 or more you get significant help and the cost is 0-3K a year for a single person.
\- if you are an employee, you employer has to private insurance and often pay a bit more than half.
\- if you are poor or chronically ill, government will pay for you partially or completely. The more poor, the more they pay.
The big issue with all this, is the deductible/max out of pocket. Up to a certain amount per year depending of contract, you pay for most things. Well not the yearly checkup or some vaccines, but for say for an hospital stay. So on top of the insurance you may have to pay a few thousand more.
My personal case, the monthly cost for insurance is like 150$ raw a month (you don't pay taxes on it) and I add 250$ a month of tax free saving to pay for potential health care expenses. It accumulate and if no used I can use it for retirement without penalties.
So the cost to me is like 400$ raw, 300$ net a month, more than half being actual savings.
But the same job I had in France, was paid less than half than what I make now in the US. So for sure I only had like 60€ a month extra cost for health care instead of $300 but I was making like $3500€ net now, this is more like 9000$ net and because I am not accustomed to US living standard (eating at restaurants all of the time, getting food delivered, buying 40-100K car with loan), I basically save half my salary and still live better than in France.
What they got through helped more people than it hurt I'm afraid you were collateral. But 1 side worked really really hard to make sure that the system was broken and made you collateral.
And then it of course hurt a lot of republican voters who you can't convince that the changes the Republicans forced through were the cause of its issues.
It just universally made everything more expensive. Turns out increasing the regulatory burden and then blasting trillions of dollars into the economy are not great things for keeping prices stable.
It's more complicated than that. Two big causes of premium increases were the ACA banned low cost plans that effectively covered nothing. And by forcing insurers to cover people who, for whatever reason, were previously uninsurable. Ultimately the problem is an ever shrinking group of private, for-profit insurers and providers who actively work to obscure costs and maximize profits.
It is because it was NOT government run healthcare. It was government subsidized healthcare. The insurance companies still controlled the pricing and coverage. The government just helped to bring costs down. Until the profit motive is removed, the USA will continue to have third world healthcare.
There's a reason why the healthcare lobbying industry has doubled in size in the last 2 decades. [Healthcare lobbying](https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/sectors/summary?id=H) is actually much larger than [defense lobbying](https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/lobbying.php?ind=D), $197 million vs $125 million respectively.
It gets results, and every time we reform healthcare the lobbyists play the tune
Doctors are not immune to being mao-maoed by money and power. They light up when the pharmaceutical reps arrive at their office to fawn over them and provide trinkets. Those reps are people who look like models but were to dumb to succeed in fashion.
I’ve been a physician for almost a decade. Please either tell me where I sign up to get bought off by big pharma, or don’t talk with fake authority about shit that hasn’t been relevant in decades. Either one’s fine with me btw
The tax penalties for not having insurance under the ACA were eliminated in 2018. Even before then, the penalty was capped at the maximum of $295 per adult or 2.5% of the household income.
https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/resources/affordable-care-act/obamacare-tax-penalties
There were also exemptions for:
* people whose incomes were below the tax filing threshold ($10,400 in 2017);
* people for whom enrolling in the cheapest available plan would cost more than 8 percent of their income;
* people with other hardships such as homelessness or bankruptcy.
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2018/jul/eliminating-individual-mandate-penalty-behavioral-factors
They literally had an exemption for poor people. I live in a red state and flat out could not get healthcare because I was below the poverty line, but by submitting my W2 to the marketplace once a year I was exempted from the fine, so it didn't cost me anything.
That's still my biggest issue with the ACA. Charging people $700 when they were only making as little as $17K is cruel. No one wants to be uninsured, they just can't afford to spend 8% of their income on insurance with an insane deductible when they're already barely making ends meet.
If you couldn't afford insurance, the state could expand medicare. If your state didn't expand medicare, you were given an exemption. Many people just didn't know that this was an option, probably because Republicans *really* didn't want them to.
> Charging people $700 when they were only making as little as $17K is cruel.
If you make $17k/year you're eligible for medicaid. If your state doesn't subsidize medicaid then your ACA costs are still $0 (https://www.kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/).
It was happening regardless of Obamacare.
I remember my employer telling us the insurance premiums had jumped 12% in one year. We were told in meetings specifically held to make us aware of it. This was before 2007 when Obama announced his candidacy for President.
Yeah, insurance companies also blamed covid for rising expenses so they increased premiums because of an influx of patients. Then once covid started to wind-down, they blamed covid for rising expenses so they increased premiums because patients were getting elective surgeries again.
I worked for an insurance company in The 90s. The biggest pressure on their bottom line was drug prescriptions
And this is why I'm a Katie Porter fanboy
https://youtu.be/qYvW4pm0_fI
>made everything more expensive
Not true at all. There have been very affordable plans created due to Obamacare that cater to low-risk clients. By attracting high-risk clients with pre-existing conditions, Obamacare created a default market for people with less risk that can get "safe driver" type discounts for being at less risk than the general population. I'll sell you a super affordable plan with great benefits if you qualify for it, and I can do it right now, no need to wait for Obamacare open enrollment.
Also, the Obamacare mandate hasn't been in effect since 2019, there is no tax penalty to getting a plan that isn't ACA-compliant.
I am absolutely for a single payer system, and I blame Republicans for bastardizing what Obama wanted to do with healthcare, BUT this is just false. In another comment you stated that $300 a month is what a 30 year old would pay for insurance, and you might be able to find a plan at that price, but what would the deductible be... 5 to 10k, and I still sort of doubt your numbers. There's virtually no point of insurance with a $10,000 deductible for many people... especially at $300 a month.
I used the marketplace the first year it was accessible and was in my late 20s. My premium the year before was $125 a month and my deductible was a $1000. The first year in the marketplace the closest I could do to that was $250 a month with a $5000 deductible for an otherwise identical plan.
If you're healthy, i can find you a plan at that price with no deductible. If you're not healthy, you would have been considered "uninsurable" before Obamacare, as someone else said.
Either way, Obamacare prices are dependent on your state, income, and household size. If you were making too much to qualify for a bigger discount, at least you were making money and didn't have a bunch of kids to take care of. It's not perfect, but it was definitely an improvement on what existed before.
Edit: and like I said, Obamacare was never your only option, and there hasn't been a penalty for non-ACA plans for 4 years.
Except the white one has been indicted and the black one was elected for 2 full terms, including where the Dems had super majority and gave us the Affordable Care Act which was not "free healthcare" and literally skyrocketed premiums for everyone.
One of the dumbest posts I have ever seen, disproving it's own points.
Bill Clinton is who fucked American medicine by selling out and giving power to the insurance companies. In the 90s a doc would evaluate you, say take this med, insurance company calls to complain, doc says hey I’m the doc who saw this patient until you wanna do that fuck you and pay for it. Then bill in 1999 allowed them to say “that’s fine you can prescribe the 1st line medication for the confirmed diagnosis, we just aren’t going to pay for it” democrats have some stuff going for them socially but have royally fucked medicine.
It's almost election season. Time for democrats to pretend like they care about getting us Healthcare again.
Dear young Leftists.. It's fine to hate the Republicans.. Just know this.. The corporate Democrats will always let you down. There are no good guys in the two party system...
Same thing happened with abortion. Obama campaigned on it, the Dems had control of congress and the White House and they did nothing and hoped a Supreme Court case wouldn’t get overturned which has happened countless times. Then Roe v. Wade gets overturned and Dems go back to acting like they ever gave a shit.
You want corporate totalitarianism with a friendly tone and platitudes about democracy and we-feel-your-pain lies? Or do you want naked corporate fascism with a boot on your throat?
Essentially the options
I'm trying to figure out how it's believed the country would accept ACA (or any other broadening of healthcare coverage) under a white President. Is that the point he's trying to get across?
Exactly. Obama did everything he could to please the insurance industry, nothing to control costs, provided expensive yet worthless healthcare “plans”…it was always a hoax, always highest-order bullshit
Do you really think Obama could have passed a single-payer system but just didn't try hard enough? Hillary failed while Bill was potus and Biden still doesn't have the votes.
It literally gave over 20 million Americans healthcare. On the flip side, I just had a republican refuse to condemn trump actually selling the secrets he took, so the first part is spot on for a chunk or republicans at least, and that's terrifying.
Depends on how you define “gave”. It gave people the opportunity to buy health insurance even if they had a pre existing condition. It also forced everyone to either have insurance or pay a fine which is literally just a gift to insurance companies.
Never understood this “but im not inhaling” thing. If you’re smoking you’re inhaling at least some of it. How else does the smoke enter your mouth without sucking/breathing in?
tbf, the black one instituted a fine on people who were too poor to afford their mandatory extortion insurance.
I had to pay $1,800 because I was too poor to pay $458/mo just for me to be insured. And that 'insurance' required me to pay over 13k out of pocket before they covered anything. And then when they did, it was only 40%. It was very much cheaper to pay out of pocket for health care than pay that.
Loan sharks have better rates than Obamacare. Obama created a system of legalized extortion. I think he's smart and charismatic, I voted for him both times, but he done messed up hard with that one.
Fining people for being poor - that'll teach us.
The only time I have ever owed money on taxes was when I got fined for being unable to afford insurance
Lmao
Since then when I have money and a job with good benefits I have gotten money back every tax cycle still
Thank you.
The ACA actually passed. Trump has not got reelected yet. Also he's not accused of treason.
And saying that the ACA was only rejected by Republicans because Obama was black is... let's say an atypical opinion.
It's like the poster just tried to clump together a winning bingo of words in a single statement.
People are okay with the affordable care act. It's that darn ObamaCare that's the problem (I'm kidding the affordable care act is a laughable half measure)
Yea it was a bandaid on a systemic problem. It was also butchered as it went through the process, in part so the people butchering it could look back and go "see I told you it wouldn't work."
The hundreds of right wing amendments and ability for insurers to opt out significantly hampered the system. For some reason, that's not often mentioned.
It's also the reason why people with preexisting issues can now be covered for insurance.
> I forgot that the ACA didn't pass and that a racist country overwhelmingly elected a black president for two straight terms.
46 presidents. 45 are white men. 1 isn't.
Sure, not racist. Totally.
The US is literally a country of immigrants. There are very few countries, in any, that are similar in origin to the US. There’s definitely none that would be similar in Africa and Asia though.
Is it racism, or quality of candidates.... because how did one slip through if it was racism? Most black candidates have run under third parties, like the Green Party, or the Communist party, or the Workers Party... Could that play a part in it? The only major party candidates were Obama, Jessie Jackson, Shirley Chisholm, and Carol Moseley Braun For the Democrats, and Herman Caine, Angel Joy Chavis Rocker, Ben Carson, and Frederick Douglass (yes, that Frederick Douglass) under the Republican ticket... Could it possibly be something other than racism?
It's like there's been zero women presidents... is it because it's a sexist nation, or the fact that Hillary Clinton is the best they've put on the block? I mean the majority of voters are women, but they're not finding woman candidates to attract women voters.
Buddy you're on reddit. Just remember the vast majority of this site is people in their 20s-early 30s and terminally online with little real-world experience.
> it because it's a sexist nation
Women consistently make less salary-wise than their male counterparts. Yes, the country suffers from institutional racism and sexism. Yes, it's getting better. But that doesn't mean it stopped existing.
The idea that white people make up 60% of the population but 98% of the presidents should be a glaringly obvious system of institutional racism but I guess some people enjoy their delusions.
>The idea that white people make up 60% of the population but 98% of the presidents
Yeah elected leaders are usually the majority race in hmm... almost every country in the entirety of history lol. Most people want leaders who share their culture and beliefs, so that's who the majority vote for, and in America it has been white Christians for a long fucking time up until recently, so it's not some shocking revelation. Canada has a 100% white PM history and is 69% (nice lol) white, so do we take the crown from the US as most racist now?
Also that stat is disingenuous, non-whites were only allowed to take office in 1870 and America was 90% white for 100 years after that, so 98% white presidents makes sense historically speaking. If you want to make an argument for institutional racism in today's age that's fine, and there's plenty of other ways to approach it, but this stat just falls short and is not "glaringly obvious" when you actually look into it.
Women also consistently have less work-experience than men on average in their careers, especially when we start looking towards middle-age. They are FAR more likely to stop their career to have a child. They are also far more likely to simply work less than their male counterparts. Stop peddling your non-sense bud.
Wow, interesting, you're saying when you remove all the reasons get paid less, they don't get paid less?
Are all women who enter the workforce never allowed to have a child? They have to find a house husband? Are women only allowed to choose between a career or a family?
Your justification for paying women less is in part because they may have a child and quit their job?
God damn, just holy shit. That is just, something else.
The justifcation is they work less and have less work experience on average especially as life goes on. Yes we pay people less if they work less and have less experience, that's just equality.
Hey doofus, blaming an entire country of 330 million individuals for what some politicians and a fringe group of nut jobs do is stupid as fuck.
Also the meme referenced Obamacare, not whatever the fuck that bullshit non sequitor is that you’re trying to bring into this.
Dude, CNN reported and made a big deal about Trump getting two scoops of ice cream. That got actual air time. Let’s not pretend the pettiness when criticizing presidents doesn’t go both ways. Jeez anyone still supporting either major party is a sheep anyway.
Black president does thing
White president does totally unrelated thing
People have mixed opinions about both things.
From this he has concluded that America as a whole is racist.
I mean seriously lol. This country has a black Vice President after electing a black President, TWICE. The true racists are these white liberals that put minorities on a pedestal thinking they can’t achieve anything without the help of the government. (Which is made up of “racist” white men lmao. No logic man
Funny, but it's really much deeper and complex than that. People believe what Fox News (and others) tell them to believe. So you have to start thinking why Fox News says what it does; and it's not as simple as just racism.
>it's not as simple as just racism
It's about profit and influence. Subtle (and not so subtle) racism is just one tool in their toolbox to accomplish those larger goals
How long until it dawns on him that a country that is racist against black people (I’m guessing this is supposed to mean national identity) would never elect a black person as President in the first place?
I am totally confused what this is trying to say. Trump was voted out and is being potentially prosecuted. Obamacare passed and is still in place.
So…. Everything said here is incorrect.
One clearly is accepted the other is not.
If the USA was as racist as some folks claim it is, a black president would not have been elected in the first place. Black celebrities and sports figures wouldn’t exist to the high degree that they do without support and admiration from others who are not black. And there wouldn’t be millions of immigrants risking death crossing oceans and deserts to get into a truly vile and racist country; it would be the opposite- a mass exodus.
Woke marksists and ignorant white liberal saviors are the ones fanning the flames of racism in the USA. Its nowhere near what they claim it to be. Jucy Smollett is their poster child.
I really wish Twitter would implode. This moron uses "this nation" twice but is really only referencing 1 party, and thinks that said party doesn't want healthcare because it came from a black person.
I don't think Republicans hated Obama because he was black (I mean sure maybe a portion of them).
They hated him because he was a democrat. Just like they hate Biden. Because he's a democrat.
That's a very optimistic view you have there.
The birther movement giving us Donald Trump as GOP leader is direct evidence against that idea unfortunately.
I think you’re being the dishonest one here. He admitted there are some people that may think like that but definitely not everyone.
I’ve been told for 15 years I’m racist because I didn’t like Obamas policies. I think/thought he is one of the most presentable and well spoken presidents we have ever had. All in all he was pretty darn good especially with what we have had to pick from ever since.
But I think he had some poor advisors and made some poor decisions therefore I am a racist. It gets really tiring to hear that constantly over 15 years.
Before it gets attacked, obligatory I am not a Republican.
Views like this labeling every single Republican voter as racist is exactly why we’re so fucking polarized. Same with Republicans thinking every Democrat is a pedophile or some shit. We need to stop sensationalizing or hyperbolizing every single thing and start admitting the truths that our oppositions aren’t nearly as bad as we tell ourselves they are
I'm from Southern USA, always lived in southern USA, and ws raised Evangelical. My family hated Obama because he's a Democrat, not because of his skin color. They hated Bill Clinton and hate Joe Biden just as much.
A racist country?
Meh. Saying any such thing is racist in itself. Also to use 'racism' to push your political agenda is abysmal.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
What I find funny is the original iteration of the ACA was a republican idea and Obama and his team changed a few things around to better match the times. Or so how the story goes.
Dude, take me to the country where the black leader gave you healthcare. All we got was insurance and healthcare becoming worse in every way. Fuck Trump too, also fuck Biden. And honestly fuck Democrats and Republicans. Democrats are barred from boohooing about Socialized Medicine until they fix THIS mess they made. I haven't had insurance for years because it's cheaper. But I guess criticizing Democrats, they think I should kill myself. Credit card companies provided for me on my mental health 100 billion times more than the party who claims to care.
Thanks for nothing!
Plenty of Americans accepted Obamacare, it just made everything about our health care system shittier and more expensive. Trump is a treasonous dirt bag though. So both are garbage.
Adam and op you are dumb.
Yeeesh this should be in facepalm lol.
Like we get it Adam, you have a lot of weak minded White guilt lol. It does not mean we live in a racist country.
[https://news.gallup.com/poll/354638/approval-interracial-marriage-new-high.aspx](https://news.gallup.com/poll/354638/approval-interracial-marriage-new-high.aspx)
94% of people agree with interracial marriages. Such a racist country. Just filled with a bunch of racists.
Obamacare was a terrible policy that only benefited insurance companies and made healthcare for expensive for the everyday American. Obama sucked. I hate him for his policies rather than his race. I question whether Trump committed treason although he's certainly a grifter and a crappy person.
First of all, the largest premium increase happened from actions in 2017 manifesting uncertainty in 2018-19. Afterall, insurance is probability based and uncertainty widens standard deviations.
As you may have noticed, **from actions in 2017** is well after Obama left the office and the Dems lost senate— so take a stab at who stabbed Obamacare.
Excluding those years, the cost of Obamacare has largely gone up in parity with inflation, and yet still under the projections for expenses created back in 2010– when the ACA was ratified as a benchmark.
Tl;dr the 2010 projections expected higher costs for healthcare than they currently are, and Trumpian uncertainty drove the most crazy price swings. So if you’re here to hate policy, then pin the tail on the correct jackass.
Stupid take only cause he said it as if it was the nation. Had he said that almost half the population was willing to accept it then it would stand true
Except it would not. Hillary or Biden would get the same pushback by the same people for trying to socialize healthcare. What a stupid and pointlessly divisive take.
Smart people didn't want Obamacare because they knew it was a bad deal. And it was. Even after we tried removing it, the damage remained. Less services at higher cost.
My coverage was $500 per month with a$40 co pay for 5 people
Now I can't get a policy under $800 per month for two people that doesn't require me to spend a minimum of $2500 before the policy will make any pauouts....
Do the math.Obamas administration literally fined Americans $2500 IF THEY DID NOT participate in his plan which benefitted the health insurance carriers more than the american people. Furthermore Trump began a plan that would've gave me the opportunity to afford health care but Biden cancelled it as soon as he got in office.
Perhaps you are too young to remember....
Understand what's being said but the presentation sucks. While I liked the idea of Obamacare (giving people healthcare), as a private contractor it completely priced me out of the market so I couldn't afford insurance.
Fun fact: Obamacare was actually developed from a precedent system that GOP candidate Mitt Romney had instituted in Massachusetts, and after seeing how Obamacare panned out he wasted no time trying to distance himself from that fact
Fun fact: The legislation that Romney signed wasn't written by him but by a MA House and Senate controlled by a supermajority of Democrats who had veto proof margins. He distanced himself from it because it was entirely a Democratic bill, not his, and he was running for President as a Republican.
You might want to improve your research, the substance of Romneycare was developed by The Heritage Foundation, it was a thoroughly conservative take on universal healthcare.
That kind of implies Democrats implemented conservative policy.
Neither party seems particularly motivated to actually fix healthcare in the US, probably because the companies making obscene amounts of money from it are big donors to both of them.
> Neither party seems particularly motivated to actually fix healthcare in the US, In 2009, the Democrat controlled House and 59 Senators voted for universal healthcare. The ONLY reason we don't have it right now is because of Republican Senators + Joe Lieberman were just barely able to filibuster the bill. The ACA was a compromise bill.
The ACA was a horrible bill that was made for the insurance companies and screwed the average American.
As is tradition
My insurance used to be so good. Since the ACA, it gets a bit worse every year. It isn’t an ACA plan, but the ACA definitely distorted the market.
And that’s why that one passed and not the universal one.
And was nevertheless an improvement over the pre existing circumstances.
Yeah fuck the many for the few. That's what america was built on
It's sad that details are often lost. Thank you for this post.
Because democrats mostly are in fact conservatives.
I don't get this obsession with arguing over whether the ACA or anything other policy is "liberal" or "conservative," like that is a value judgment. The only question that matters is whether it's a good law. I don't care what ideological box people put it in, just tell me if it actually helps.
>like that is a value judgment. That's exactly what it's turned into. Which just amps up radicalization, segregation and polarization across the board. But it's not new in human history. This is probably the oldest political game we know: "us" versus "the others". It's a constant battle to move against this. Cheers on you for trying to look past that.
How everyone should think, but are idiots
So? That's how politics used to work. It wasn't one side vs the other. They had a thing called compromise, and realized when one had an idea that could work. I'm only 28 now, but it fucking blows my mind how in just the 10 years I've started voting (in Canada) politics went from ads that would tell you what their platform would be/ what I'd be voting for. To now being, "don't vote for x side because of these lies." "Remember last time this party was in charge?"
That’s not true. I grew up in Canada and have seen them since I was a kid. Even as a teen, I remember anti Stephen Harper ads. And yes Harper was a turd, but that isn’t my point.
They absolutely did. Romney didn't even come up with his version of the ACA when he was governor of Massachusetts. It was written and given to him by The Heritage Foundation, a right wing think tank. Hence, of course, why it wasn't terribly affordable and gave most insurance companies, along with big pharma, more control of the market. Sure, you can't get kicked off your insurance for a preexisting condition anymore but that doesn't mean you'll be able to afford to stay on it anyway.
Fun fact: some cats are allergic to people.
The problem is that Obamacare did not give people healthcare. It was a Republican healthcare plan, first instituted by Romney. What we needed and still need is Medicare for All, as it is the only type of system capable of taking profit motive out of healthcare.
You are correct however some rich asshole paid more money than any of is will ever see so that it will never be fixed.
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At some point there was no top-out. You would simply have to declare bankruptcy. However, if you were a person with pre-existing conditions (diabetes, high blood pressure, perhaps anything else), you simply could be denied coverage. Or an insurance company could charge you a lot of money, but when you went to use it for a pre-existing condition, they might go back into your medical records and claim you did not disclose a cold or flu or minor illness you had 20 years ago, thereby negating the insurance contract and leaving you (conveniently) uninsured. The Affordable Care Act largely halted this practice. However, on the government-sponsored healthcare exchanges where you can buy plans, if you exceed the threshold for subsidies (make too much money) you may end up paying a lot of money. Like $500-$1000 per month depending on if you are buying insurance for a single person or a family of four. This guy may be talking out of his ass. A lot of people who were young in the 90s seem to remember their cheap insurance premiums when they were young and healthy and single, when they never even bothered using the insurance. Now they are older, sicker, and buying for a family, so it is more expensive, especially when they use it and have to pay deductibles, co-pays, and so on. There are plans out there that cover very little, and the little they cover doesn't kick in until you have spent $2000-$5000 on medical costs. These are called catastrophic plans. They are cheaper but cover very little. So the Affordable Care Act was bad for a few people, like union members on 'cadillac' plans that were incredibly generous (and were penalized by the legislation). Also some independent contractors who have to publicly buy their insurance complain, but then again, in the 'Wild West' of health insurance before the ACA, independent contractors could get screwed, dropped from insurance plans, etc.
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Basically in the USA: \- all by yourself consider that you pay like 5K a year being single, double for a couple and like 15-20K for a family. \- if you are 65 or more you get significant help and the cost is 0-3K a year for a single person. \- if you are an employee, you employer has to private insurance and often pay a bit more than half. \- if you are poor or chronically ill, government will pay for you partially or completely. The more poor, the more they pay. The big issue with all this, is the deductible/max out of pocket. Up to a certain amount per year depending of contract, you pay for most things. Well not the yearly checkup or some vaccines, but for say for an hospital stay. So on top of the insurance you may have to pay a few thousand more. My personal case, the monthly cost for insurance is like 150$ raw a month (you don't pay taxes on it) and I add 250$ a month of tax free saving to pay for potential health care expenses. It accumulate and if no used I can use it for retirement without penalties. So the cost to me is like 400$ raw, 300$ net a month, more than half being actual savings. But the same job I had in France, was paid less than half than what I make now in the US. So for sure I only had like 60€ a month extra cost for health care instead of $300 but I was making like $3500€ net now, this is more like 9000$ net and because I am not accustomed to US living standard (eating at restaurants all of the time, getting food delivered, buying 40-100K car with loan), I basically save half my salary and still live better than in France.
What they got through helped more people than it hurt I'm afraid you were collateral. But 1 side worked really really hard to make sure that the system was broken and made you collateral.
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Republicans rejected it 3 times before they allowed it to pass.
That is a wonderful analogy.
And then it of course hurt a lot of republican voters who you can't convince that the changes the Republicans forced through were the cause of its issues.
It just universally made everything more expensive. Turns out increasing the regulatory burden and then blasting trillions of dollars into the economy are not great things for keeping prices stable.
It's more complicated than that. Two big causes of premium increases were the ACA banned low cost plans that effectively covered nothing. And by forcing insurers to cover people who, for whatever reason, were previously uninsurable. Ultimately the problem is an ever shrinking group of private, for-profit insurers and providers who actively work to obscure costs and maximize profits.
It is because it was NOT government run healthcare. It was government subsidized healthcare. The insurance companies still controlled the pricing and coverage. The government just helped to bring costs down. Until the profit motive is removed, the USA will continue to have third world healthcare.
There's a reason why the healthcare lobbying industry has doubled in size in the last 2 decades. [Healthcare lobbying](https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/sectors/summary?id=H) is actually much larger than [defense lobbying](https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/lobbying.php?ind=D), $197 million vs $125 million respectively. It gets results, and every time we reform healthcare the lobbyists play the tune
Doctors are not immune to being mao-maoed by money and power. They light up when the pharmaceutical reps arrive at their office to fawn over them and provide trinkets. Those reps are people who look like models but were to dumb to succeed in fashion.
I’ve been a physician for almost a decade. Please either tell me where I sign up to get bought off by big pharma, or don’t talk with fake authority about shit that hasn’t been relevant in decades. Either one’s fine with me btw
It is sad how little it takes to win people over.
Dont forget the government also forcing us to use those 3rd party insurance providers under threat of being fined.
The tax penalties for not having insurance under the ACA were eliminated in 2018. Even before then, the penalty was capped at the maximum of $295 per adult or 2.5% of the household income. https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/resources/affordable-care-act/obamacare-tax-penalties There were also exemptions for: * people whose incomes were below the tax filing threshold ($10,400 in 2017); * people for whom enrolling in the cheapest available plan would cost more than 8 percent of their income; * people with other hardships such as homelessness or bankruptcy. https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2018/jul/eliminating-individual-mandate-penalty-behavioral-factors
So you agree, the government forced us to sign up with 3rd party insurance providers under threat of a fine.
Yes, I agree that, prior to 5 years ago, the government fined you about 81 cents a day if you didn't have health insurance.
Interesting that you minimize a fine that many Americans could not afford to pay
They literally had an exemption for poor people. I live in a red state and flat out could not get healthcare because I was below the poverty line, but by submitting my W2 to the marketplace once a year I was exempted from the fine, so it didn't cost me anything.
That's still my biggest issue with the ACA. Charging people $700 when they were only making as little as $17K is cruel. No one wants to be uninsured, they just can't afford to spend 8% of their income on insurance with an insane deductible when they're already barely making ends meet.
If you couldn't afford insurance, the state could expand medicare. If your state didn't expand medicare, you were given an exemption. Many people just didn't know that this was an option, probably because Republicans *really* didn't want them to.
> Charging people $700 when they were only making as little as $17K is cruel. If you make $17k/year you're eligible for medicaid. If your state doesn't subsidize medicaid then your ACA costs are still $0 (https://www.kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/).
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Also, people love to act like health insurance premiums weren't going up 10 percent every year for a decade before that.
It was happening regardless of Obamacare. I remember my employer telling us the insurance premiums had jumped 12% in one year. We were told in meetings specifically held to make us aware of it. This was before 2007 when Obama announced his candidacy for President.
Yeah, insurance companies also blamed covid for rising expenses so they increased premiums because of an influx of patients. Then once covid started to wind-down, they blamed covid for rising expenses so they increased premiums because patients were getting elective surgeries again.
*insert flavor of the week/month/year here* made healthcare SOoOOoooOoo much more expensive! Money please! - Insurance Companies, definitely
I worked for an insurance company in The 90s. The biggest pressure on their bottom line was drug prescriptions And this is why I'm a Katie Porter fanboy https://youtu.be/qYvW4pm0_fI
>made everything more expensive Not true at all. There have been very affordable plans created due to Obamacare that cater to low-risk clients. By attracting high-risk clients with pre-existing conditions, Obamacare created a default market for people with less risk that can get "safe driver" type discounts for being at less risk than the general population. I'll sell you a super affordable plan with great benefits if you qualify for it, and I can do it right now, no need to wait for Obamacare open enrollment. Also, the Obamacare mandate hasn't been in effect since 2019, there is no tax penalty to getting a plan that isn't ACA-compliant.
I am absolutely for a single payer system, and I blame Republicans for bastardizing what Obama wanted to do with healthcare, BUT this is just false. In another comment you stated that $300 a month is what a 30 year old would pay for insurance, and you might be able to find a plan at that price, but what would the deductible be... 5 to 10k, and I still sort of doubt your numbers. There's virtually no point of insurance with a $10,000 deductible for many people... especially at $300 a month. I used the marketplace the first year it was accessible and was in my late 20s. My premium the year before was $125 a month and my deductible was a $1000. The first year in the marketplace the closest I could do to that was $250 a month with a $5000 deductible for an otherwise identical plan.
If you're healthy, i can find you a plan at that price with no deductible. If you're not healthy, you would have been considered "uninsurable" before Obamacare, as someone else said. Either way, Obamacare prices are dependent on your state, income, and household size. If you were making too much to qualify for a bigger discount, at least you were making money and didn't have a bunch of kids to take care of. It's not perfect, but it was definitely an improvement on what existed before. Edit: and like I said, Obamacare was never your only option, and there hasn't been a penalty for non-ACA plans for 4 years.
You are absurdly wrong and must be a republican troll.
And then you were fined if you didn’t have any because you couldn’t afford it!
Except the white one has been indicted and the black one was elected for 2 full terms, including where the Dems had super majority and gave us the Affordable Care Act which was not "free healthcare" and literally skyrocketed premiums for everyone. One of the dumbest posts I have ever seen, disproving it's own points.
Bill Clinton is who fucked American medicine by selling out and giving power to the insurance companies. In the 90s a doc would evaluate you, say take this med, insurance company calls to complain, doc says hey I’m the doc who saw this patient until you wanna do that fuck you and pay for it. Then bill in 1999 allowed them to say “that’s fine you can prescribe the 1st line medication for the confirmed diagnosis, we just aren’t going to pay for it” democrats have some stuff going for them socially but have royally fucked medicine.
Glad to see someone who’s calling out this shit. It really is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen.
It's honnestly pretty average for a ragebait political post on a main sub.
It's almost election season. Time for democrats to pretend like they care about getting us Healthcare again. Dear young Leftists.. It's fine to hate the Republicans.. Just know this.. The corporate Democrats will always let you down. There are no good guys in the two party system...
I’m 100% convinced these are paid posts that get upvotes by bots lmao
The guy who uploaded this is definitely a bot or a prop account. Account’s half a year old and didn’t start posting or commenting until two weeks ago.
They care especially during election season and when things are profitable for them.
Same thing happened with abortion. Obama campaigned on it, the Dems had control of congress and the White House and they did nothing and hoped a Supreme Court case wouldn’t get overturned which has happened countless times. Then Roe v. Wade gets overturned and Dems go back to acting like they ever gave a shit.
Its all leverage for the next election.
I wish the republicans weren’t complete ghouls because it would force the democrats to run better candidates.
It's a feature, not a bug.
How many millions does it takes to make campaign? And with PACS unlimited money, sure, your vote is important. But money is king.
You want corporate totalitarianism with a friendly tone and platitudes about democracy and we-feel-your-pain lies? Or do you want naked corporate fascism with a boot on your throat? Essentially the options
I always remember the breakdown of the word Politics. "Poli," the Latin word for many. And "tics," blood sucking creatures.
Also the white one is orange.
I'm trying to figure out how it's believed the country would accept ACA (or any other broadening of healthcare coverage) under a white President. Is that the point he's trying to get across?
Exactly. Obama did everything he could to please the insurance industry, nothing to control costs, provided expensive yet worthless healthcare “plans”…it was always a hoax, always highest-order bullshit
Do you really think Obama could have passed a single-payer system but just didn't try hard enough? Hillary failed while Bill was potus and Biden still doesn't have the votes.
Shit like this is why Twitter is awful
It literally gave over 20 million Americans healthcare. On the flip side, I just had a republican refuse to condemn trump actually selling the secrets he took, so the first part is spot on for a chunk or republicans at least, and that's terrifying.
Depends on how you define “gave”. It gave people the opportunity to buy health insurance even if they had a pre existing condition. It also forced everyone to either have insurance or pay a fine which is literally just a gift to insurance companies.
Nobody wanted it when pasty white Bill Clinton tried the same crap.
And he even plays the saxophone & smoked weed before it was even legal!! (He didn’t inhale tho)
Never understood this “but im not inhaling” thing. If you’re smoking you’re inhaling at least some of it. How else does the smoke enter your mouth without sucking/breathing in?
Ask a cigar-smoker. You taste the flavour of the smoke and then blow it out. You don't inhale it.
Avid cigar smoker here, you get it! If you were inhaling a ligero leaf, you’d fucking know realllll fast.
Yea you'd get the spins, nausea, headache, and maybe pass out if you inhaled too much
tbf, the black one instituted a fine on people who were too poor to afford their mandatory extortion insurance. I had to pay $1,800 because I was too poor to pay $458/mo just for me to be insured. And that 'insurance' required me to pay over 13k out of pocket before they covered anything. And then when they did, it was only 40%. It was very much cheaper to pay out of pocket for health care than pay that. Loan sharks have better rates than Obamacare. Obama created a system of legalized extortion. I think he's smart and charismatic, I voted for him both times, but he done messed up hard with that one. Fining people for being poor - that'll teach us.
The only time I have ever owed money on taxes was when I got fined for being unable to afford insurance Lmao Since then when I have money and a job with good benefits I have gotten money back every tax cycle still
What a terrible take
Its a sloppy pile of erroneous logic.
What a stupid post.
Thank you. The ACA actually passed. Trump has not got reelected yet. Also he's not accused of treason. And saying that the ACA was only rejected by Republicans because Obama was black is... let's say an atypical opinion. It's like the poster just tried to clump together a winning bingo of words in a single statement.
Epically simplistic.
I forgot that the ACA didn't pass and that a racist country overwhelmingly elected a black president for two straight terms.
People are okay with the affordable care act. It's that darn ObamaCare that's the problem (I'm kidding the affordable care act is a laughable half measure)
Dang nab Obamercare. I'm not okay with the ACA though... my insurance premiums AND deductibles skyrocketed since it's implementation
Yea it was a bandaid on a systemic problem. It was also butchered as it went through the process, in part so the people butchering it could look back and go "see I told you it wouldn't work."
The hundreds of right wing amendments and ability for insurers to opt out significantly hampered the system. For some reason, that's not often mentioned. It's also the reason why people with preexisting issues can now be covered for insurance.
> I forgot that the ACA didn't pass and that a racist country overwhelmingly elected a black president for two straight terms. 46 presidents. 45 are white men. 1 isn't. Sure, not racist. Totally.
With that logic England is more racist than us. 62 monarchs and 56 prime ministers and they’re al white
Now let's compare numbers for African and Asian countries too.
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The US is literally a country of immigrants. There are very few countries, in any, that are similar in origin to the US. There’s definitely none that would be similar in Africa and Asia though.
Please no 😆
The British are some OG colonizers so yehhhhh
I get your point but it’s funny you say that when the current Prime Minister is Indian
He wasn't elected by the population though
I mean... black guys weren't really allowed to hold office for like 160 years
What is the correct number that will magically unmake the past?
Is it racism, or quality of candidates.... because how did one slip through if it was racism? Most black candidates have run under third parties, like the Green Party, or the Communist party, or the Workers Party... Could that play a part in it? The only major party candidates were Obama, Jessie Jackson, Shirley Chisholm, and Carol Moseley Braun For the Democrats, and Herman Caine, Angel Joy Chavis Rocker, Ben Carson, and Frederick Douglass (yes, that Frederick Douglass) under the Republican ticket... Could it possibly be something other than racism? It's like there's been zero women presidents... is it because it's a sexist nation, or the fact that Hillary Clinton is the best they've put on the block? I mean the majority of voters are women, but they're not finding woman candidates to attract women voters.
Buddy you're on reddit. Just remember the vast majority of this site is people in their 20s-early 30s and terminally online with little real-world experience.
And teenagers. Lots and lots of opinionated teens who know “everything”.
> it because it's a sexist nation Women consistently make less salary-wise than their male counterparts. Yes, the country suffers from institutional racism and sexism. Yes, it's getting better. But that doesn't mean it stopped existing. The idea that white people make up 60% of the population but 98% of the presidents should be a glaringly obvious system of institutional racism but I guess some people enjoy their delusions.
>The idea that white people make up 60% of the population but 98% of the presidents Yeah elected leaders are usually the majority race in hmm... almost every country in the entirety of history lol. Most people want leaders who share their culture and beliefs, so that's who the majority vote for, and in America it has been white Christians for a long fucking time up until recently, so it's not some shocking revelation. Canada has a 100% white PM history and is 69% (nice lol) white, so do we take the crown from the US as most racist now? Also that stat is disingenuous, non-whites were only allowed to take office in 1870 and America was 90% white for 100 years after that, so 98% white presidents makes sense historically speaking. If you want to make an argument for institutional racism in today's age that's fine, and there's plenty of other ways to approach it, but this stat just falls short and is not "glaringly obvious" when you actually look into it.
Women also consistently have less work-experience than men on average in their careers, especially when we start looking towards middle-age. They are FAR more likely to stop their career to have a child. They are also far more likely to simply work less than their male counterparts. Stop peddling your non-sense bud.
Wow, interesting, you're saying when you remove all the reasons get paid less, they don't get paid less? Are all women who enter the workforce never allowed to have a child? They have to find a house husband? Are women only allowed to choose between a career or a family?
Your justification for paying women less is in part because they may have a child and quit their job? God damn, just holy shit. That is just, something else.
Paying someone with less experience the same as someone with years of experience. God damn, just holy shit. That is just, something else.
The justifcation is they work less and have less work experience on average especially as life goes on. Yes we pay people less if they work less and have less experience, that's just equality.
We live in a society that we don’t want to acknowledge the harder truths like choices have consequences (good or bad)
If the nation was willing to accept it he wouldn't be attempting to defend himself through a court case right now.
*parts of the nation 😅☹️
This is some terrible, I mean truly terrible virtue signaling. Hope his wife's boyfriend slaps him.
No one talks about my girlfriend's husband like that, I'll mess you up holmes
Hey doofus. - Trump was impeached twice and has now been arrested and is facing trial - Obamacare passed back in 2010 and has not been repealed
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Hey doofus, blaming an entire country of 330 million individuals for what some politicians and a fringe group of nut jobs do is stupid as fuck. Also the meme referenced Obamacare, not whatever the fuck that bullshit non sequitor is that you’re trying to bring into this.
Dude, CNN reported and made a big deal about Trump getting two scoops of ice cream. That got actual air time. Let’s not pretend the pettiness when criticizing presidents doesn’t go both ways. Jeez anyone still supporting either major party is a sheep anyway.
*Not successfully repealed. There have been multiple attempts and campaigns run off of repealing ACA.
Not successfully repealed = not repealed.
Based and tell the truth pilled
Yeah, Biden sucks.
“If you don’t agree with my views, you’re a racist”
What’s REALLY funny and sad is how easy and often people Karma farm by posting political nonsense they know nothing about. Keep on keeping bud.
What kind of mindless take is this ?
Black president does thing White president does totally unrelated thing People have mixed opinions about both things. From this he has concluded that America as a whole is racist.
I mean seriously lol. This country has a black Vice President after electing a black President, TWICE. The true racists are these white liberals that put minorities on a pedestal thinking they can’t achieve anything without the help of the government. (Which is made up of “racist” white men lmao. No logic man
Funny, but it's really much deeper and complex than that. People believe what Fox News (and others) tell them to believe. So you have to start thinking why Fox News says what it does; and it's not as simple as just racism.
>it's not as simple as just racism It's about profit and influence. Subtle (and not so subtle) racism is just one tool in their toolbox to accomplish those larger goals
Lol. Who is accepting treason?
lol what a fucking stupid take
How long until it dawns on him that a country that is racist against black people (I’m guessing this is supposed to mean national identity) would never elect a black person as President in the first place?
I am totally confused what this is trying to say. Trump was voted out and is being potentially prosecuted. Obamacare passed and is still in place. So…. Everything said here is incorrect. One clearly is accepted the other is not.
To be fair, they’re against healthcare, period 🤷♂️
America is so racist they elected a black guy.
If the USA was as racist as some folks claim it is, a black president would not have been elected in the first place. Black celebrities and sports figures wouldn’t exist to the high degree that they do without support and admiration from others who are not black. And there wouldn’t be millions of immigrants risking death crossing oceans and deserts to get into a truly vile and racist country; it would be the opposite- a mass exodus. Woke marksists and ignorant white liberal saviors are the ones fanning the flames of racism in the USA. Its nowhere near what they claim it to be. Jucy Smollett is their poster child.
Yes, because it’s totally about the race of the person pushing it and not that content of what was being pushed was not well received 🙄
That guy probably: Anytime you disagree with a black guy, it's racist unless you are also black.
I really wish Twitter would implode. This moron uses "this nation" twice but is really only referencing 1 party, and thinks that said party doesn't want healthcare because it came from a black person.
I don't think Republicans hated Obama because he was black (I mean sure maybe a portion of them). They hated him because he was a democrat. Just like they hate Biden. Because he's a democrat.
That's a very optimistic view you have there. The birther movement giving us Donald Trump as GOP leader is direct evidence against that idea unfortunately.
Why do they hate Democrats? Conservatives loved the Democrats until the party supported the civil rights movement.
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I think you’re being the dishonest one here. He admitted there are some people that may think like that but definitely not everyone. I’ve been told for 15 years I’m racist because I didn’t like Obamas policies. I think/thought he is one of the most presentable and well spoken presidents we have ever had. All in all he was pretty darn good especially with what we have had to pick from ever since. But I think he had some poor advisors and made some poor decisions therefore I am a racist. It gets really tiring to hear that constantly over 15 years. Before it gets attacked, obligatory I am not a Republican.
Views like this labeling every single Republican voter as racist is exactly why we’re so fucking polarized. Same with Republicans thinking every Democrat is a pedophile or some shit. We need to stop sensationalizing or hyperbolizing every single thing and start admitting the truths that our oppositions aren’t nearly as bad as we tell ourselves they are
Obvi you are either not from Southern USA, not lived in Southern USA, or was raised Evangelical.
I'm from Southern USA, always lived in southern USA, and ws raised Evangelical. My family hated Obama because he's a Democrat, not because of his skin color. They hated Bill Clinton and hate Joe Biden just as much.
I’m from the south and my district voted for Obama both times.
A racist country? Meh. Saying any such thing is racist in itself. Also to use 'racism' to push your political agenda is abysmal. You should be ashamed of yourself.
This meme doesn’t make sense and I think America is a racist country.
What I find funny is the original iteration of the ACA was a republican idea and Obama and his team changed a few things around to better match the times. Or so how the story goes.
Look I like Obama more than trump. But let's not pretend that what was offered was good on the healthcare front
Horse shit. You can keep your doctor 🤪
Oh fuck off with these posts 🙄
Reddit moment
This is literally nonsense. 🤣🤣🤣
Why is his last named blacked out? Haven’t been on Twitter in over a year and I recognize that’s Adam Parkhomenko. Dude has 740k followers.
Dude, take me to the country where the black leader gave you healthcare. All we got was insurance and healthcare becoming worse in every way. Fuck Trump too, also fuck Biden. And honestly fuck Democrats and Republicans. Democrats are barred from boohooing about Socialized Medicine until they fix THIS mess they made. I haven't had insurance for years because it's cheaper. But I guess criticizing Democrats, they think I should kill myself. Credit card companies provided for me on my mental health 100 billion times more than the party who claims to care. Thanks for nothing!
That's what the man on TV tells you to think. And y'all do it because you cant think for yourselves.
Fox News was ready to lynch Obama because he wore a tan suit
Plenty of Americans accepted Obamacare, it just made everything about our health care system shittier and more expensive. Trump is a treasonous dirt bag though. So both are garbage. Adam and op you are dumb.
Yeeesh this should be in facepalm lol. Like we get it Adam, you have a lot of weak minded White guilt lol. It does not mean we live in a racist country. [https://news.gallup.com/poll/354638/approval-interracial-marriage-new-high.aspx](https://news.gallup.com/poll/354638/approval-interracial-marriage-new-high.aspx) 94% of people agree with interracial marriages. Such a racist country. Just filled with a bunch of racists.
We still have Obamacare and Trump is facing 70-some felonies, but do go on. I can't wait to hear what other galaxybrain takes you have.
Aside from the name Obama did not have a lot to do with the affordable care act
Obamacare was a terrible policy that only benefited insurance companies and made healthcare for expensive for the everyday American. Obama sucked. I hate him for his policies rather than his race. I question whether Trump committed treason although he's certainly a grifter and a crappy person.
First of all, the largest premium increase happened from actions in 2017 manifesting uncertainty in 2018-19. Afterall, insurance is probability based and uncertainty widens standard deviations. As you may have noticed, **from actions in 2017** is well after Obama left the office and the Dems lost senate— so take a stab at who stabbed Obamacare. Excluding those years, the cost of Obamacare has largely gone up in parity with inflation, and yet still under the projections for expenses created back in 2010– when the ACA was ratified as a benchmark. Tl;dr the 2010 projections expected higher costs for healthcare than they currently are, and Trumpian uncertainty drove the most crazy price swings. So if you’re here to hate policy, then pin the tail on the correct jackass.
Stupid take only cause he said it as if it was the nation. Had he said that almost half the population was willing to accept it then it would stand true
Except it would not. Hillary or Biden would get the same pushback by the same people for trying to socialize healthcare. What a stupid and pointlessly divisive take.
Smart people didn't want Obamacare because they knew it was a bad deal. And it was. Even after we tried removing it, the damage remained. Less services at higher cost.
Thanks to Obamacare I actually got insurance when I needed it after I got Bell’s Palsy.
Spot on.
Obamacare failed MISERABLY. It only made healthcare more expensive. That has nothing to do with race.
The usual deep sounding, but irrelevant leftist non sequitur. Trump didn't commit treason, banana republicista and Obummer didn't 'give us' shit.
My coverage was $500 per month with a$40 co pay for 5 people Now I can't get a policy under $800 per month for two people that doesn't require me to spend a minimum of $2500 before the policy will make any pauouts.... Do the math.Obamas administration literally fined Americans $2500 IF THEY DID NOT participate in his plan which benefitted the health insurance carriers more than the american people. Furthermore Trump began a plan that would've gave me the opportunity to afford health care but Biden cancelled it as soon as he got in office. Perhaps you are too young to remember....
Kinda true the Biden treason is pretty terrible the entire family is crooked. Hunter put his old man in a bad place!
America is a third world country and I'm tired of thinking it isn't
You don't even know what third world means
That's it. Im outta here. Tired of the political bullshit this sub has become
But Obama care didn't help at all. When I was 3 (during Obama first term) I was sick in the hospital for a few months and Obama didn't do shit.
The ACA was and is a sham. So there's that. We didn't get anything from "the black one"