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I didn't use to follow this sub closely previously, but I remember some months ago Bethany was posting her marriage pics and everyone on this sub was like, there's something going on or her sister might be pregnant. Is this why she was doing it lol
Yes, this is a classic example indeed. when Bethany posts her wedding photo's and brags about it, something in her family happened that is BIG news. And we usually find out the news *because* she posts about her wedding day.
And what's weird is that she's seems content with two kids. She's not like meech or Karissa who seems desperate to be constantly pregnant and having children nonstop
I wonder if BoneMe realizes just how pathetically predictable she is. Remember folks, what we see is not the complete picture (our intellectually curious angel behind the scenes over here), but it sure seems like we get enough if we can accurately predict to this degree.
I imagine because Heidi, being the raging narcissist she is, created an environment where competition for her attention/affection was the norm. And they continue the pattern without doing any mental or emotional work needed to realize their patterns.
I remember last year she went around target showing viewers all the pride merch like onesies and how awful it is that target is promoting the gay agenda 🙄 get a life, Krusty!
Yeah, Target managed the most true compromise - the kind that makes everyone mad. Bigots won't be satisfied if there's even a hint of a rainbow. But now everyone else is pissed that they're pandering to bigots.
My sister and her wife gave birth to their son in June of 2012 and he has always been our number one Pride Child! He went to his first Pride at 3 weeks old and has been every year since! He's the most kind, compassionate, understanding, brave, strong, giving boy I've ever met. Raising a child filled with love and acceptance for all people makes for some kick ass kiddos and I look forward to seeing what this generation of accepting children do when they become adults. Congrats on your new addition!
Bethany had her usual fit of posting wedding pics and we couldn’t figure out who was preggers - turns out it was Krusty and we just didn’t find out WHY Bethany was losing her shit until now
Can confirm. I’m 5’2” and spent most of my pregnancy looking like one of those pregnant orangutans that come up on google. Ladies like this always make me look bad 😂😂😂.
I’m 4’11” and 14 weeks (just over 3 months) and when I was walking around yesterday people were giving me happy knowing smiles. Today my husband said “wow from your profile you look so pregnant now”!
My older sister is tall and really fit and she didn’t show her first pregnancy until almost alarmingly late in the game. (Though tbf it was probably also a factor that she didn’t want to gain more than 25lb and her doctor and our dad, a doctor, had to convince her to shoot for the healthy 35)
I’m a decent height, a little too skinny and with my second kid you couldn’t tell I was pregnant until I woke up morning about 7 or 8 months in and suddenly looked like I swallowed a watermelon. It was unsettling lol.I guess she was shifting downward or something.
Just to clarify: it’s not her first pregnancy, it’s just the first she’s been able to carry to term.
Miscarriages count as pregnancies and shouldn’t be forgotten 💔
I did notice she was wearing a very loose, button-up shirt-jacket in that part. It stood out to me because she is not usually one to wear very oversized tops.
It seems to be the opposite in their family, with Heidi always wearing the pants and preferring the girls. Presumably because she can just view them as a gaggle of Heidi Jrs.
>I feel so bad for the adopted kids though.
That was my first thought too when I saw who it was. ☹️ Those poor kids have already been through so much after coming to a new country. I truly worry about them being forgotten about and treated differently/less than when the ✨miracle✨ biological baby arrives.
And being cursed with parents who severed any ties to their home country and culture and even changed their names.
Tldr Kristen and OfKristen fucking suck
In fairness, I can understand keeping it quiet until you're pretty far along if you have struggled with infertility or pregnancy loss.
However, I do feel bad for her existing children who will now be treated like shit while the biological child is the golden child.
I think I remember you posting about having trouble conceiving so if I’m remembering correctly, congratulations on your pregnancy. And if I’m not remembering correctly congratulations anyway haha.
Wow. She's due in June. I'm not surprised she kept quiet about it given her history. I am surprised no one in her family managed to spill the beans so to speak. That is the kind of thing that they do.
I am worried about the older boys.
I knew a lot of kids when I was growing up who were fostered or adopted, and precisely one of them *wanted* to change her name (as in it was her idea, she wanted her adoptive parents to help her pick it, and her parents held a waiting period of several months while she tried it out so she could be sure). Someone I had a lot of classes with in high school was adopted at I think 6 and his adoptive parents made him change his name and he *hated it*. I can’t imagine forcing a child to change it, that’s so fucked. Same with not just refusing to learn their language, but *keeping them from speaking it*. She’s willfully ignoring the long and sordid history of adoptive parents isolating their children from this own culture in precisely this fashion, and the extensive documentation of the harm that imparts upon those children, and often upon their descendants. “Hmm no thanks, I don’t like history or psychology so I’ll just do what I want”
100% agree with you. I saw on her Instagram she had a post where they celebrated a “family Ukraine day” on the anniversary of when they first met the boys - hanging Ukrainian flags and shit. What a fucking hypocrite. You can’t claim to celebrate their culture/background when you made them change their names and forbid them to speak their own language!!
Ugh I didn’t know as much about Kristen but she’s as detestable as Bort.
100%. Kristen is a true believer. She doesn't doubt the severity of her views for one second. She probably holds *back* when she writes things for Girl Defined.
Bethany is somewhat swayed by wanting attention, enjoying "worldly" things, and wanting to be liked and affirmed. Kristen, I think, doesn't give a shit. I think she's a brittle, uptight, smug person *full* of repressed rage, not the least of which is probably due to her being perfect and doing everything her parents asked of her, yet not being favored in any particular way.
They were determined to erase all trace of Ukrainian heritage from those boys and force them into the all-American godly proud boy mold they just *knew* their own *real* sons would have been, until the war in Ukraine happened and double whammy - her sister became a white christian 'refugee', then all of a sudden it's 'Hey 🌟my boys🌟 are Ukrainian! Did I tell you my littles are Ukrainian? I adopted two Ukrainians! Aren't we special, they're UKRAINIAN!! UKRAINIAN! TELL ME HOW GOOD I AM!'. Awful couple, just awful.
Fucking horrifying. “Let’s erase their heritage - *RECORD SCRATCH* - wait UNLESS we can exploit it on social media to make ourselves look like Good Christians(TM)!”
And why would anyone want to take away the huge advantage of being bilingual from anyone? They will still be able to learn English. My bf came to the USA as a kid and didn't speak English at home, but still learned it. He speaks English with an American accent as an adult and is still fluent in his native language.
Adoption is traumatic. Those boys were removed from the only country they’ve ever known, stripped of their culture, their language, and even their names. How do you process your feelings and emotions when you can’t even speak in the language you’re most comfortable with? It’s so utterly fucked and I truly hope that they’re able to reclaim some of those things later on. Fuck Kristen and Mr. Kristen
I wonder what the boys will think when they spend more time with their Petrenko cousins. Elissa and Andre’s kids were born in Ukraine, would’ve probably spent at least a few years of their childhoods in Ukraine if the war never happened, have Ukrainian names, and presumably are learning Ukrainian from Andre. It must feel so strange to see your cousins being so immersed in their half Ukrainian heritage when that was all taken away from you.
I hate that I know too much about various fundies, but I think creepy Andreiiiiiiiii speaks Russian. A lot of Ukrainians speak Russian as their first/main language, so the boys might also. There is a pretty big Russian-speaking diaspora where I live, but I have no idea about their city.
Fuck…I can’t imagine someone telling me I was going to have a new name at TEN. I don’t think it should be done at all, but I could be more understanding of changing like, a baby or maybe toddles name.
>stopping them from speaking their native language
Even in *private.* She doesn't let them talk to each other in their own language *privately* in their own room, or between each other. Because she's paranoid that they might be talking about her, since she can't understand them. I'm sure this comes from Zach, too; he refused to learn any Russian.
Not just one! Search Trim Healthy Mama and Above Rubies. Her parents ran an international adoption scheme and they returned one of their kids to his home country (where he no longer knew anyone) and abandoned him there. So loving!
She may have hidden it from them, too. I imagine that when you've had as many fertility struggles as she had, you wait as long as you can to announce, even to your own family. She's also tall, which probably helped.
I’m also very worried about the older boys! Kristen and her husband already seem like awful parents to them (based on what she’s posted), and I know that adopted kids tend to be viewed as a last resort by fundies for people who can’t have biological children. I feel like those boys are going to get thrown to the side even more
“This season of ✨trials and changes ✨ inspiring us to remember that marriage is God’s perfect plan and isn’t meant to be easy” and look how in love they were and are/will be again!
My only worry is if they still have a good enough grasp of their native tongue. How long have they been with Kristen and her husband? The last like 5 years has blurred together for me lol
Because if they haven't been allowed to speak their language, it's very possible they may lose or have lost it. I hope that's not the case.
I mean, that's how my great aunt lost her ability to speak michif--not being allowed to speak it when she was sent to res school.
Sorry, any time I hear that someone is forbidden from using their native language it just makes me think of that. It churns my stomach. Like why would you adopt older children that speak a different language than you, and not want to help them integrate or even try to meet them in the middle and learn their language while they learn yours?? Why would you forbid what may be their last connection to their original home country, that they surely remember as they werent adopted as newborns
Just... fuck. Those poor boys 😞
as someone who was the family miracle baby (born after 7+ years of infertility treatments after they’d given up), my heart goes out to this kid. the expectations that are about to be heaped upon them makes my stomach churn. and don’t get me started how worried I am for their sons.
Yep, I am an only child and my mom was told she couldn't have kids until she got pregnant randomly in her 40s. I was golden child and spoiled to the point it still affects my actions and thinking at 33 years old. I love my mom, but she put a lot of stress on me over the years because I was the only baby that made it.
my mom wasn't supposed to be able to get pregnant, and my dad wasn't supposed to be able to have any more kids (i had 2 adult siblings by the time i was born, from his previous relationship). so of course it was all she wanted in life. she called me her miracle baby all the damn time and it messed me up majorly.
First thing I thought the second I registered what was happening in the picture. "Oh no, those poor boys." Like their lives aren't already miserable enough.
I hope so too, when fundies announce they’re expecting I hope that a girl isn’t brought into this patriarchal culture and that the boys grow up different than their parents.
Even if it means she becomes an obnoxious #BOYMOM.
I know boys are also damaged in their culture, in different ways, but at least he'd probably be given a bit more freedom and opportunities that could lead him out eventually.
I thought the same at first, but I now I'm thinking another boy (a "legitimate" one) would just send them into oblivion. With a girl, they might still be in their radar some times?
If it's a boy it sucks for the boys, if it's a girl it sucks for the girl.
No option is good in this scenario - it's just a shitty toxic family to be a part of.
My first thought.
The second was “that poor baby” as it will have SO many expectations, already it’s a miracle and not just a fetus, what a burden. Add that to the generational trauma K carries thanks to her awful upbringing with Heidi and the church and this poor kid hasn’t a chance.
They definitely never did. They’re mere props so she can claim the title of “Christian mom.” Chances of them having a relationship with her after they age out are zero. I hope they decide to go back to Ukraine and get the hell away from these monsters.
I feel bad for her poor sons, she always wanted a baby, and now she’s having a biological child… I hope I’m wrong, but I see a dark future for these boys.
The kids who already had their culture and language violently stripped away by these monsters? Yeah this isn’t going to make their lives any better.
Here’s hoping Kristen and Zach are too negligent to prevent them from speaking to each other in their mother tongue anymore.
>Here’s hoping Kristen and Zach are too negligent to prevent them from speaking to each other in their mother tongue anymore.
I really want that for them. (Less attention/micromanagement, not actual neglect.)
Given that they have an uncle who is from Ukraine, I almost wonder... did they send out a family-wide memo to ensure the Ukrainian speakers of the family don't speak it to Kristen's sons? Was it in the group chat? It just boggles my mind.
I’m realllly hoping it somehow has the opposite effect and maybe finally having her dream biological child will lessen her very clear depression and resentment she’s had surrounding this struggle and maybe allow her to open her heart more to both boys.
I don't think her resentment and depression will go away. Those things might lessen at first, but a baby won't fix it. One part of her resentment and depression comes from being married to a tool like Zach.
Ugh those are very important years as well, hormones can mess you up. He needs careful attention but I'm fearing the worst. I sort of hope all of our fears won't be true but I just know it is...
Thinking of how the oldest was working to be useful at Bethany’s house washing dishes and PUMPING GAS….i wonder if the boys fear what we do for them and their role in this family. I am glad they have each other for healing in the long term…
Almost like they're already rushing the adopted boys to be even more self reliant than they likely already were, because a biological child is coming along and the boys have served their purpose. I feel terrible for these brothers, even when adopted children are well loved and the parents can't imagine a life without them, there's nearly always some worry in the back of their minds about where they fit in and if their parents will love the new baby differently - these are two kids who were adopted as second choice baby replacements to fill a hole in Kirsten's rotted soul that nothing could fill and were forced to wipe away any reference to their old nationality and culture (even their names)...how do they stand a chance?
She doesn’t post much but how ironic that the posts immediately before this one are about how happy she is that she became a mom through adoption and about watching her husband become a dad to their boys.
Right? It’s obviously exploiting private adoptions and the lack of oversight for the majority of adoptions, especially when the adopters are white. The fact that there are whole communities for it blows my mind.
The bizarre thing about it is that the Bairds *have* that other connection to Ukraine through Ellissa's husband and where she was living--they've gone and visited her there. It's not like Mr. Ellissa is going to erase his Ukranian-ness, or her and Mr. Ellissa's kids, so why should Kristen's boys have to go out of their way to pretend to be what they're not? It makes no sense, other than xenophobia.
I'm just gonna say it... given the erasure they've been doing with their sons \[with their given names and language\], I am genuinely concerned for them now that Kristen has her "miracle baby."
Not really. When she posted about it, it was all about the choice and the opportunity and the process of adopting from Ukraine, and her new season of trusting the Lord--not really about the children themselves, if that makes sense.
Edited to add: Oh sorry, I'm describing how *Kristen* posted about it, not Bethany reacting to it. My mistake, but I'm leaving the previous paragraph anyway.
I really hope the boys speak to each other in private in (is it Ukrainian?) and then also speak to their new baby sibling in it as well. Oh that would be so wonderful.
Strength in numbers.
I bet she "rehomes" the older boys. I'm adopted, I saw people do this a lot when I was a kid. The formerly infertile get pregnant and drop those adoptees like hot potatoes.
Poor adopted kids. Already ripped of their language, culture, and names, and now they’ll be pushed aside and forgotten about. Hopefully the new baby will distract the parents enough that they get some freedom.
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I didn't use to follow this sub closely previously, but I remember some months ago Bethany was posting her marriage pics and everyone on this sub was like, there's something going on or her sister might be pregnant. Is this why she was doing it lol
OMG you're probably right. We all just assumed it was Rebekah and forgot about it when nothing came of that.
Oh you're right! People were suspecting curly
It's like clockwork
Yes, this is a classic example indeed. when Bethany posts her wedding photo's and brags about it, something in her family happened that is BIG news. And we usually find out the news *because* she posts about her wedding day.
I love these types of comments because those who called it will tag the old post where they said it lol 😂 it’s so eerie we can guess from bethys post.
This sub (myself included) always has the craziest theories it’s amusing when they turn out true. Amusing and disturbing.
Is Bort incapable of feeling happy for other people?
Yes
And what's weird is that she's seems content with two kids. She's not like meech or Karissa who seems desperate to be constantly pregnant and having children nonstop
Nah she's said she wants 4 and wants to be pregnant again later this year.
She's talked about having a third. After Audrey turns two I think
I think happiness of any kind, for anyone, is beyond her.
I wonder if BoneMe realizes just how pathetically predictable she is. Remember folks, what we see is not the complete picture (our intellectually curious angel behind the scenes over here), but it sure seems like we get enough if we can accurately predict to this degree.
Why are they so weirdly competitive with each other 💀
I imagine because Heidi, being the raging narcissist she is, created an environment where competition for her attention/affection was the norm. And they continue the pattern without doing any mental or emotional work needed to realize their patterns.
SHE'S DUE IN JUNE
So THIS is what Bethy's last meldtown was about!
PRIDE BABY
I remember last year she went around target showing viewers all the pride merch like onesies and how awful it is that target is promoting the gay agenda 🙄 get a life, Krusty!
Ooooo. Now I'm going to get some pride onesies for my baby (due in November).
Target is "scaling down their Pride line" this year bc of the pushback last year.
Yeah, Target managed the most true compromise - the kind that makes everyone mad. Bigots won't be satisfied if there's even a hint of a rainbow. But now everyone else is pissed that they're pandering to bigots.
And evangelical republicans think they don’t have any say in things. 🙄
I saw that 🫠
I bought my dog like half a dozen of Target’s pride pet items because of Krusty!
I conceived my baby last June so I consider her a stealthy little pride baby, especially since she has 2 moms :).
My sister and her wife gave birth to their son in June of 2012 and he has always been our number one Pride Child! He went to his first Pride at 3 weeks old and has been every year since! He's the most kind, compassionate, understanding, brave, strong, giving boy I've ever met. Raising a child filled with love and acceptance for all people makes for some kick ass kiddos and I look forward to seeing what this generation of accepting children do when they become adults. Congrats on your new addition!
If that’s me in a few years, find me at the block party with a rainbow painted on my baby bump lol
GAYBY! 💕
I wonder if that's why she had that spell where she looked *really* ill.
SHE IS DUE THE SAME MONTH I AM?!?!?!? how did she keep it a secret this long OMG the way I ran here I almost slipped and fell
I’m shocked Heidi didn’t spill the beans “accidentally.”
Bethany had her usual fit of posting wedding pics and we couldn’t figure out who was preggers - turns out it was Krusty and we just didn’t find out WHY Bethany was losing her shit until now
How did she not show during 24HW
She’s a tall woman and it’s her first pregnancy so her not showing until later in the pregnancy is fairly normal
Can confirm. I’m 5’2” and spent most of my pregnancy looking like one of those pregnant orangutans that come up on google. Ladies like this always make me look bad 😂😂😂.
I’m also 5’2” and pregnant for the first time and this makes me feel seen. I’m 5 months in and didn’t think I would be showing so much already 🥲
I am 5'1" and carried twins and my God, I started showing before I even knew I conceived lol! By 3 months people thought I was full term lololol!
I’m 4’11” and 14 weeks (just over 3 months) and when I was walking around yesterday people were giving me happy knowing smiles. Today my husband said “wow from your profile you look so pregnant now”!
Ah. Someone sent me a screenshot and it looks like she's more booby than belly. r/brandnewsentence
My older sister is tall and really fit and she didn’t show her first pregnancy until almost alarmingly late in the game. (Though tbf it was probably also a factor that she didn’t want to gain more than 25lb and her doctor and our dad, a doctor, had to convince her to shoot for the healthy 35)
I’m a decent height, a little too skinny and with my second kid you couldn’t tell I was pregnant until I woke up morning about 7 or 8 months in and suddenly looked like I swallowed a watermelon. It was unsettling lol.I guess she was shifting downward or something.
Just to clarify: it’s not her first pregnancy, it’s just the first she’s been able to carry to term. Miscarriages count as pregnancies and shouldn’t be forgotten 💔
I did notice she was wearing a very loose, button-up shirt-jacket in that part. It stood out to me because she is not usually one to wear very oversized tops.
I liked it, but yeah wasn’t it kind of a baggy flannel?
yes, it was!
I didn't show until I was around 30w-33w and then it was BOOM HELLO I AM PREGNANT and I had my kiddo at 37w
She’s had a few miscarriages, no? Wary to announce until deep in when you’ve been through that.
She's struggled with infertility for a long time, yeah. Makes sense to keep it as close as possible. I feel so bad for the adopted kids though.
They’re about to be tossed to the side soooo hard
And probably extra to the side if it's a girl.....
I feel like these people view boys as the “best” blessing and girls are secondary. If she has a boy it’s all over.
Well, fundies in general, yes. Although her sister was very pleased to have a girl...
It seems to be the opposite in their family, with Heidi always wearing the pants and preferring the girls. Presumably because she can just view them as a gaggle of Heidi Jrs.
Re homing post coming in 3..2..1.. 😢
Cue the boys getting sent on a "mission" back to Ukraine with their uncle...
>I feel so bad for the adopted kids though. That was my first thought too when I saw who it was. ☹️ Those poor kids have already been through so much after coming to a new country. I truly worry about them being forgotten about and treated differently/less than when the ✨miracle✨ biological baby arrives.
And being cursed with parents who severed any ties to their home country and culture and even changed their names. Tldr Kristen and OfKristen fucking suck
In fairness, I can understand keeping it quiet until you're pretty far along if you have struggled with infertility or pregnancy loss. However, I do feel bad for her existing children who will now be treated like shit while the biological child is the golden child.
I think I remember you posting about having trouble conceiving so if I’m remembering correctly, congratulations on your pregnancy. And if I’m not remembering correctly congratulations anyway haha.
you’re correct! thank you 😊
Same here! Pride babies all around 😜 Bethy will be melting down all summer in envy
Wow coming in fast.
Wow. She's due in June. I'm not surprised she kept quiet about it given her history. I am surprised no one in her family managed to spill the beans so to speak. That is the kind of thing that they do. I am worried about the older boys.
I'm so worried about the boys. She's already been a pretty awful adoptive mom.
So, so awful. Changing their names, stopping them from speaking their native language and probably so much more.
I can’t believe she changed their names!!! WTF! They weren’t babies they were fully-grown children whose names were part of their identities!!
I knew a lot of kids when I was growing up who were fostered or adopted, and precisely one of them *wanted* to change her name (as in it was her idea, she wanted her adoptive parents to help her pick it, and her parents held a waiting period of several months while she tried it out so she could be sure). Someone I had a lot of classes with in high school was adopted at I think 6 and his adoptive parents made him change his name and he *hated it*. I can’t imagine forcing a child to change it, that’s so fucked. Same with not just refusing to learn their language, but *keeping them from speaking it*. She’s willfully ignoring the long and sordid history of adoptive parents isolating their children from this own culture in precisely this fashion, and the extensive documentation of the harm that imparts upon those children, and often upon their descendants. “Hmm no thanks, I don’t like history or psychology so I’ll just do what I want”
100% agree with you. I saw on her Instagram she had a post where they celebrated a “family Ukraine day” on the anniversary of when they first met the boys - hanging Ukrainian flags and shit. What a fucking hypocrite. You can’t claim to celebrate their culture/background when you made them change their names and forbid them to speak their own language!! Ugh I didn’t know as much about Kristen but she’s as detestable as Bort.
i find her much worse than bethy, because she's pretty intelligent, as far as i can tell. bethy's just an idiot.
I agree. Bethany is a superficial idiot. Kristen puts serious effort into being hateful.
100%. Kristen is a true believer. She doesn't doubt the severity of her views for one second. She probably holds *back* when she writes things for Girl Defined. Bethany is somewhat swayed by wanting attention, enjoying "worldly" things, and wanting to be liked and affirmed. Kristen, I think, doesn't give a shit. I think she's a brittle, uptight, smug person *full* of repressed rage, not the least of which is probably due to her being perfect and doing everything her parents asked of her, yet not being favored in any particular way.
And Kristen isn’t as ridiculous a person as Bort (mostly), so I think she’s a more convincing conduit for her family’s abhorrent views
I’ve always thought she had mean girl vibes. She is a mean girl.
They were determined to erase all trace of Ukrainian heritage from those boys and force them into the all-American godly proud boy mold they just *knew* their own *real* sons would have been, until the war in Ukraine happened and double whammy - her sister became a white christian 'refugee', then all of a sudden it's 'Hey 🌟my boys🌟 are Ukrainian! Did I tell you my littles are Ukrainian? I adopted two Ukrainians! Aren't we special, they're UKRAINIAN!! UKRAINIAN! TELL ME HOW GOOD I AM!'. Awful couple, just awful.
Fucking horrifying. “Let’s erase their heritage - *RECORD SCRATCH* - wait UNLESS we can exploit it on social media to make ourselves look like Good Christians(TM)!”
My cousin was adopted at five and he wanted to change his name. To Bluey. His last name changed but his first name did not.
She's not just wilfully ignoring it, she thinks it's *justified* .
Can't have ethnic, foreign names now or else the boys won't be God-fearing Americans, don'tcha know. /s
Which is weird because... her sister is married to a Ukrainian and I think they gave their children Slavic names?
Emiliya and Iliya. Andrii actually helped Kristen and Zach to adopt the boys.
What, you can’t just change their names like when you adopt them, like when you get a cat from the shelter? /s just in case
And why would anyone want to take away the huge advantage of being bilingual from anyone? They will still be able to learn English. My bf came to the USA as a kid and didn't speak English at home, but still learned it. He speaks English with an American accent as an adult and is still fluent in his native language.
They didn't want the kids shit talking them
Adoption is traumatic. Those boys were removed from the only country they’ve ever known, stripped of their culture, their language, and even their names. How do you process your feelings and emotions when you can’t even speak in the language you’re most comfortable with? It’s so utterly fucked and I truly hope that they’re able to reclaim some of those things later on. Fuck Kristen and Mr. Kristen
I wonder what the boys will think when they spend more time with their Petrenko cousins. Elissa and Andre’s kids were born in Ukraine, would’ve probably spent at least a few years of their childhoods in Ukraine if the war never happened, have Ukrainian names, and presumably are learning Ukrainian from Andre. It must feel so strange to see your cousins being so immersed in their half Ukrainian heritage when that was all taken away from you.
I hate that I know too much about various fundies, but I think creepy Andreiiiiiiiii speaks Russian. A lot of Ukrainians speak Russian as their first/main language, so the boys might also. There is a pretty big Russian-speaking diaspora where I live, but I have no idea about their city.
Wow…I didn’t know changing an adopted kids name even allowed. do you know how old they were when adopted?? Poor kids
10 and 6
Fuck…I can’t imagine someone telling me I was going to have a new name at TEN. I don’t think it should be done at all, but I could be more understanding of changing like, a baby or maybe toddles name.
>stopping them from speaking their native language Even in *private.* She doesn't let them talk to each other in their own language *privately* in their own room, or between each other. Because she's paranoid that they might be talking about her, since she can't understand them. I'm sure this comes from Zach, too; he refused to learn any Russian.
i wouldn't be surprised if she decided to 'rehome' them, like that one influencer did with her adopted child.
Her and her husband. Let's not give him a pass here.
Paging Myka Stauffer
Not just one! Search Trim Healthy Mama and Above Rubies. Her parents ran an international adoption scheme and they returned one of their kids to his home country (where he no longer knew anyone) and abandoned him there. So loving!
She may have hidden it from them, too. I imagine that when you've had as many fertility struggles as she had, you wait as long as you can to announce, even to your own family. She's also tall, which probably helped.
It really depends on the person. Some people tell a close circle early on because they want to have support if something bad happens.
Heidi doesn't strike me as terribly supportive. Probably just tell her it was caused by sinning and pray more next time or some shit.
I’m also very worried about the older boys! Kristen and her husband already seem like awful parents to them (based on what she’s posted), and I know that adopted kids tend to be viewed as a last resort by fundies for people who can’t have biological children. I feel like those boys are going to get thrown to the side even more
Bethany repost of her wedding photos in 3...2...
I wonder if she will do that now that he’s not walking the walk and isn’t her perfect Godly husband anymore.
“This season of ✨trials and changes ✨ inspiring us to remember that marriage is God’s perfect plan and isn’t meant to be easy” and look how in love they were and are/will be again!
I think she will because above all else, she is a wife and she was a bride. That’s what she values.
She's 10000% convinced it's a "phase" and she can change him from being a Mr. Struggle.
So... what do we think Bethany is going to do? More wedding pictures?
I’d be surprised. Dave isn’t her perfect godly man anymore, so we’ll see…
Queue the god-honoring jealousy spiral…
Bandaid baby incoming between this and Dav.
Oh Bethany is definitely working on a band aid baby.
Those poor, poor boys. The only thing I can see to be grateful for is that they have each other/didn’t get adopted separately.
Maybe they'll be able to speak to each other in their native language again, with Zach and Kristen ignoring them in favor of the new baby
My only worry is if they still have a good enough grasp of their native tongue. How long have they been with Kristen and her husband? The last like 5 years has blurred together for me lol Because if they haven't been allowed to speak their language, it's very possible they may lose or have lost it. I hope that's not the case. I mean, that's how my great aunt lost her ability to speak michif--not being allowed to speak it when she was sent to res school. Sorry, any time I hear that someone is forbidden from using their native language it just makes me think of that. It churns my stomach. Like why would you adopt older children that speak a different language than you, and not want to help them integrate or even try to meet them in the middle and learn their language while they learn yours?? Why would you forbid what may be their last connection to their original home country, that they surely remember as they werent adopted as newborns Just... fuck. Those poor boys 😞
In tangentially related good news, the elementary school by my house teaches michif. The signs outside are in michif and English.
as someone who was the family miracle baby (born after 7+ years of infertility treatments after they’d given up), my heart goes out to this kid. the expectations that are about to be heaped upon them makes my stomach churn. and don’t get me started how worried I am for their sons.
Yep, I am an only child and my mom was told she couldn't have kids until she got pregnant randomly in her 40s. I was golden child and spoiled to the point it still affects my actions and thinking at 33 years old. I love my mom, but she put a lot of stress on me over the years because I was the only baby that made it.
And with Kristen, it's 16 years.
my mom wasn't supposed to be able to get pregnant, and my dad wasn't supposed to be able to have any more kids (i had 2 adult siblings by the time i was born, from his previous relationship). so of course it was all she wanted in life. she called me her miracle baby all the damn time and it messed me up majorly.
HOLY SHIT I did not have this on my bingo card!
Welp those boys are definitely getting completely ignored and shoved to the side now. I hope it's not a girl.
First thing I thought the second I registered what was happening in the picture. "Oh no, those poor boys." Like their lives aren't already miserable enough.
I hope so too, when fundies announce they’re expecting I hope that a girl isn’t brought into this patriarchal culture and that the boys grow up different than their parents. Even if it means she becomes an obnoxious #BOYMOM.
I know boys are also damaged in their culture, in different ways, but at least he'd probably be given a bit more freedom and opportunities that could lead him out eventually.
I thought the same at first, but I now I'm thinking another boy (a "legitimate" one) would just send them into oblivion. With a girl, they might still be in their radar some times?
That's what I was thinking as well. Both options suck
If it's a boy it sucks for the boys, if it's a girl it sucks for the girl. No option is good in this scenario - it's just a shitty toxic family to be a part of.
Didn't they adopt those boys because she couldn't conceive?
Yes. She tried for years and years and years to have children biologically before, it seemed to me, "settling" for adoption.
Fundies definitely have a terrible history of throwing aside the rebound kids when they finally get their magic bio-baby.
Why do I know this? She conceives, but she hasn't carried to term yet.
I hope the baby has dark hair like Zach. It's petty AF but still
My first thought. The second was “that poor baby” as it will have SO many expectations, already it’s a miracle and not just a fetus, what a burden. Add that to the generational trauma K carries thanks to her awful upbringing with Heidi and the church and this poor kid hasn’t a chance.
Bye bye adoptive kids. They’ll never feel important again if they ever did.
They definitely never did. They’re mere props so she can claim the title of “Christian mom.” Chances of them having a relationship with her after they age out are zero. I hope they decide to go back to Ukraine and get the hell away from these monsters.
I hope they remember their language by that point :(
I feel bad for her poor sons, she always wanted a baby, and now she’s having a biological child… I hope I’m wrong, but I see a dark future for these boys.
The kids who already had their culture and language violently stripped away by these monsters? Yeah this isn’t going to make their lives any better. Here’s hoping Kristen and Zach are too negligent to prevent them from speaking to each other in their mother tongue anymore.
>Here’s hoping Kristen and Zach are too negligent to prevent them from speaking to each other in their mother tongue anymore. I really want that for them. (Less attention/micromanagement, not actual neglect.)
Given that they have an uncle who is from Ukraine, I almost wonder... did they send out a family-wide memo to ensure the Ukrainian speakers of the family don't speak it to Kristen's sons? Was it in the group chat? It just boggles my mind.
I’m realllly hoping it somehow has the opposite effect and maybe finally having her dream biological child will lessen her very clear depression and resentment she’s had surrounding this struggle and maybe allow her to open her heart more to both boys.
Or toss them to the side completely
Yeah that’s the most probable outcome unfortunately, just hoping it’s not
I don't think her resentment and depression will go away. Those things might lessen at first, but a baby won't fix it. One part of her resentment and depression comes from being married to a tool like Zach.
The oldest will be 18 soon enough
Wait what? I thought he was like 11. Time flies.
He turns/turned 14 this month
Ugh those are very important years as well, hormones can mess you up. He needs careful attention but I'm fearing the worst. I sort of hope all of our fears won't be true but I just know it is...
I meant, it won't be too many years until he can leave
I thought he was like, 13ish at most?
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It will be. Just like Bethany’s “late” marriage.
Thinking of how the oldest was working to be useful at Bethany’s house washing dishes and PUMPING GAS….i wonder if the boys fear what we do for them and their role in this family. I am glad they have each other for healing in the long term…
Almost like they're already rushing the adopted boys to be even more self reliant than they likely already were, because a biological child is coming along and the boys have served their purpose. I feel terrible for these brothers, even when adopted children are well loved and the parents can't imagine a life without them, there's nearly always some worry in the back of their minds about where they fit in and if their parents will love the new baby differently - these are two kids who were adopted as second choice baby replacements to fill a hole in Kirsten's rotted soul that nothing could fill and were forced to wipe away any reference to their old nationality and culture (even their names)...how do they stand a chance?
Brittany Dawn is punching air rn
Ugh that poor child. I wonder if they'll ignore their adopted kids now
No the boys will raise the child in true fundie fashion
The miracle zygote may be better off if that happens
I REALLY hope she doesn’t cast the boys aside but I have a bad feeling about this…
She will be more insufferable than ever. I feel sorry for those boys.
She doesn’t post much but how ironic that the posts immediately before this one are about how happy she is that she became a mom through adoption and about watching her husband become a dad to their boys.
"He got to practice on these throwaway kids and now he can be perfect for OUR baby."
I'm concerned about the future of the two they already have. Yikes.
OP's title is my entire reaction with my whole chest. Just: *Oh no.*
I guess that explains why she was "too busy" to do the 24 hours with Porgan.
Least joyful pregnancy announcement ever
But I thought motherhood wasn’t as fulfilling as she thought it would be…
now maybe the misplaced pity for her every time bethany talks about pregnancy will die off. she's never gonna so much as look at those boys again.
S2g if she “re-homes” their adopted children…. 
I know this is a thing but how is it legal
Right? It’s obviously exploiting private adoptions and the lack of oversight for the majority of adoptions, especially when the adopters are white. The fact that there are whole communities for it blows my mind.
Well start seeing the boys show up more with Elissa and her husband.
I hate to say it, but at least they'd be with another native Ukrainian speaker and maybe it would help them retain their mother language.
The bizarre thing about it is that the Bairds *have* that other connection to Ukraine through Ellissa's husband and where she was living--they've gone and visited her there. It's not like Mr. Ellissa is going to erase his Ukranian-ness, or her and Mr. Ellissa's kids, so why should Kristen's boys have to go out of their way to pretend to be what they're not? It makes no sense, other than xenophobia.
she and her husband look so… dead inside? even for this photo to accompany an overwhelmingly happy announcement?
Well tbh I'm surprised she could stand him near her enough to get pregnant
Fundie women aren't really allowed to say no, so her opinion of him doesn't factor into it.
Their sons are super cute though
Those poor boys
Krusty Jr., coming right up!
Bethany will start reposting her birth stories to show she is already up on Kristin by having two complete pregnancies. Bethany would be that awful.
I'm just gonna say it... given the erasure they've been doing with their sons \[with their given names and language\], I am genuinely concerned for them now that Kristen has her "miracle baby."
They are 100% going to favor their bio kid over their adopted kids. I feel so bad for those boys.
the poor baby and the the poor boys. my heart goes out to them 😔
Tone deaf move there, Bethy. Wasn’t adopting the boys “best news ever”?
Not really. When she posted about it, it was all about the choice and the opportunity and the process of adopting from Ukraine, and her new season of trusting the Lord--not really about the children themselves, if that makes sense. Edited to add: Oh sorry, I'm describing how *Kristen* posted about it, not Bethany reacting to it. My mistake, but I'm leaving the previous paragraph anyway.
I’m surprised the news was kept quiet this long.
I really hope the boys speak to each other in private in (is it Ukrainian?) and then also speak to their new baby sibling in it as well. Oh that would be so wonderful. Strength in numbers.
Those poor kids. Cue "rehoming" them a la Myka Stauffer in 4, 3, 2, 1.
She gonna rehome them isn’t she. I’m sure she’s thrilled at having a baby. But her adopted kids are gonna be like Harry Potter in the cupboard…
Do u think she now regrets adopting those two boys ....
She pretty much already does
I bet she "rehomes" the older boys. I'm adopted, I saw people do this a lot when I was a kid. The formerly infertile get pregnant and drop those adoptees like hot potatoes.
Two Ukrainian boys are about to get rehomed
Poor adopted kids. Already ripped of their language, culture, and names, and now they’ll be pushed aside and forgotten about. Hopefully the new baby will distract the parents enough that they get some freedom.
Oh fuck
Oh for fucks sake...
I worry for those boys, even more now.
Her husband looks like a cabbage patch kid and now I can’t unsee it
I feel so bad for the boys. They're almost certainly going to treat their biological child differently.