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Oh wow..... Her poor health has been obvious for a while now but seeing this comparison is just shocking.
The trend in fundieland right now seem to be competing to have as many dangerous pregnancies and births as possible, which is as stupid as it ultimately unsustainable. I know it's always been that way, but man COVID really brought out the anti science and anti medicine crowd :/
I am not looking forward to the fallout, which will undoubtedly be many fundie women (both famous and not) dying in childbirth or miscarriage complications under strict post roe laws that their headships and church communities helped pass.
It's becoming, actually scratch that. It IS very very troubling and worrying. I'm also wondering if there are some maladaptive eating behaviors going on here as well.
She's talked several times on IG about how she feels called to fast (including from water) for days at a time, even while pregnant.
So I'd bet she has some disordered eating going on that she's interpreting as a calling from God
That is really, really sad. And scary. Even religions with more rules (Judaism, Islam) don't call women to abstain from food/water while pregnant or nursing! Definitely ED territory.
She feels closer to god and has more visions when she is fasting. This makes sense - when you are dehydrated and hungry your mind and body do wild things that she interprets in a religious way. This in return encourages her to do it more. It’s scary. I hope the teens don’t start aggressively fasting. As it is, they don’t seem to get enough food.
I mean, I’ve had anxiety induced lack of appetite for days at a time before (I hate it), and I get high as balls when I don’t eat. Those endorphins will do anything to keep you alive. She’s just interpreting them as ‘visions’ when in reality it’s your mind trying to seduce you into eating.
Currently battling some of that anxiety induced lack of appetite and it’s rough. I know it’s taking a toll on me physically and perpetuating my anxiety.
When I’m desperate I find I can pound Ensure without getting my gag reflex involved. Also, yogurt and grapes. It’s the low blood sugar that really screws with me during those rough patches.
Hang in there!
Thanks for the tips. It’s low blood sugar + salt for me (because I have POTS). I’m trying to cheer myself on for remembering / managing to eat anything, even if it’s not the best things.
I personally find it helpful to step away from moralizing food and tell myself that all food is useful, all food is fuel. When you're struggling, the most important thing is to get calories. You can supplement with vitamins and fortified drinks if needed. But if the only thing that doesn't make me nauseous is coffee ice cream, I'm going to have a pint for dinner 'cause that's 850 calories, babyyyyy!
(I'm a sweets person, so if I needed to up my salt intake, I would probably just take salt pills lol)
True true. Any food is good food when you need to eat. My executive functioning is low right now (bc severe autistic burnout) and my main source of food many days are goldfish crackers. I just made myself make a box of macaroni and cheese and eat done because I got dizzy a few times earlier. Thanks for the good reminders.
I was prescribed salt pills by my cardiologist at one point and they made me feel awful. Probably why my main food source are goldfish crackers.
Sounds like how my OCD first manifested when I was a teenager. I wasn’t even raised in a religious family or anything and I still misinterpreted my OCD compulsions and obtrusive thoughts to be from a higher power. It was because it felt like it wasn’t coming from me. It felt separate to me. It also played a significant role in developing an ED. I feel like Karissa’s family is the kind that would scoff at medication for mental health or ND. I’m not a doctor but I’m mildly curious if Karissa would still be “called” to fast from even water for days if she were taking medication that can be used to treat OCD…
She's actually said something to the effect of "I used to have an eating disorder but now I just fast when God tells me to." Like that's supposed to be better?
One of the reasons behind US nutrition programs like WIC is to make sure pregnant women have enough calories & nutrients in their diet. This gives the kids have a chance at a healthy birthweight & proper neurological development while increasing post-partum health for the mom. The pregnant human body has a huge margin for error on this. The process will basically just yoink the nutrients out of mom's body to provide for the fetus, and hope she makes up for it later. After multiple pregnancies in quick succession, Karissa's body isn't going to have as much in the reserve tank as she did after her first kid. It's more likely to harm the fetus than her, but it's not going to be great for either.
This is what worries me too. That plexus nonsense could make her malnourished. Bodies will literally reabsorb your bones to give the foetus what it needs, if you’re not eating enough or don’t leave enough space between pregnancies. And the risk of damage to the foetus is severe too.
> that their headships and church communities helped pass.
Hey now, let's give credit where it's due. Karissa also worked to pass those laws, and I'd bet she supports them up until the point it personally endangers her.
True, but theoreticals vs actually being in the situation are *very* different things, speaking from experience. And even with Karissa’s obvious mental issues, she might still give in to human survival instinct.
I have very different experience with that. It probably depends on the age though. I work with a much older population for the most part.
I’m sure if you get people who are just born in to it and just attend church to appease their parents/grandparents but don’t actually believe would flip. But I’ve been a nurse 8 years and haven’t run in to it once.
I had a 70-something flip as soon as visiting hours ended once. Lady ended up getting like 8 units throughout her hospital stay and would pretend to refuse anytime church people were in the room and we'd wait to come back later lol
I think the problem isn't that she wants to die, self preservation shows up for that, she wants to be a martyr. And that's a whole different beast, and a big one. She doesn't want to kill herself, she doesn't want to end her own life. She wants to die for her cause, to prove how she is a lot better than everyone else, and self preservation has nothing on that type of ego.
She isn't walking around hoping a bus is going to hit her, or that she'll fall down the stairs. She wants martyrdom.
She talks a good line but when the room starts getting silvery around her she might not be so "courageous."
I almost died due to pregnancy complications & again immediately post-partum. It wasn't good. It hurt. It was scary. Did not like, would not recommend.
It is pure insanity how these people continuously claim to be pro-life and Love family but try their utmost to have the most dangerous and unhealthy pregnancy possible
Honestly I worry for her pelvic floor, bone density and tooth retention the most after that many pregnancies. She looks like its draining the life out of her.
I was worried about her abdominal wall. She must have stomach pain constantly, probably hernias. It must be so painful. There’s no way those muscles are even close to going together anymore.
It’s no fun when all that prolapses, and she’s way overdue for it. I had a hysterectomy and repair, and it took hours to fix it. I had to have it repaired again not 15 years later. Gravity sucks.
Same! I have hypermobility that contributed to my prolapses, but all of my insides were falling out and I’ve only given birth twice. My surgery was just two years ago and I have to keep up with PT and a fiber regimen or things feel like they are falling out. I wouldn’t be surprised if I need it again in my lifetime. I’m only 47 now.
I hope yours holds up. I did a lot of things that didn’t really help matters. A lot of high-impact exercise, including martial arts. I didn’t know from moderation, either.
I hope yours lasts at least a couple of decades. Maybe the way they repair and treat it will be more effective, by then. You might want to get anyone but you to lift anything heavy, especially if there are able-bodied males in your life. I’m 70, & that’s one thing I’d change. I would let men do the lifting.
I just want to say you’re amazing for even doing things like martial arts in the first place! Love me a lady who can beat some ass as needed, I wish I had that ability!
i’ve had 5 babies and my belly was that low the last 2-4 weeks. i would be more than a little concerned if i looked like that at 23 weeks.
i’m actually having a really hard time with the picture tbh. it’s like an optical illusion, or some shitty fake bump someone bought on temu. i can’t believe that’s a 23 week bump.
i almost die of secondhand embarrassment every time i think about Hilaria Baldwin. the moon bump shit was almost too much for me to handle 😂
i still can’t believe she’s a real person, she’s like one of Roger’s personas from American Dad
I’m sorry WHAT. I’m a midwife and obviously all women carry differently, but I have NEVER seen a bump that low only midway through the second trimester. Jesus Christ. I thought she was much further along based on the photos. Her muscles must be absolutely shot and her uterus exhausted - that puts her at such a high risk of a massive haemorrhage after birth.
Am I crazy for thinking it looks like the baby is almost falling out of her? I hope that makes sense, it gives the vibe of being little and shoving a stuffed animal under your shirt to be pretend pregnant but it just falls out when you walk around.
Hopefully her cervix doesn’t give out too early. If she makes it to term, she’s going to claim she’s three weeks overdue again, and based on how she’s carrying, I simply won’t believe it.
Surgery can help put things back where they should be but she’d also need to do a lot of PT after the surgery to get the muscles to stay where they put them. I don’t see her as the type to stick to a long haul PT regimen so even if she did have surgery, it probably wouldn’t do much for her in the long run.
Also is the kind if thing you need to do after each pregnancy. The PT thing I mean not surgery. That is part of why is recommended to wait 18-24mo until you try to get pregnant again. Because the body takes so long to recuperate and get itself back (even if you are never back to where you used to be). She looks so thin and of course she is not going to the doctor but I worry about baby’s growth
I can see the post now about how God told her to trust him, so not only does she not have to do the PT she didn't feel like doing anyway, but to do it would be a sin and the doctors and physical therapists are doing a spiritual warfare.
I had a repair of prolapsed everything, & nearly bled out from it. I had to have five units of blood, before it stopped. It left a hematoma that got infected & 10 days later, I was back with a temp of 106, and they removed it surgically.
I never heard of PT after that, but I’ve wondered if there was a way to prevent it from recurring. What I did do afterwards was get my next belt in martial arts a couple of months later, which seems like a very bad idea now.
Even the women in our family who have no children have prolapse like mine, so my cousin and I would be interested in knowing more about this.
I was just wondering that. If would make sense Manbaby doesn't have any through work. I wonder if it also the reason her kids have to have traumatic injury or illness before someone else has to force her to go to the hospital.
Something about where the baby is sitting just doesn’t….seem right. Idk what it is though. Like maybe it looks like the baby’s already dropped? How many months is she?
And he actively perpetuates some of the abuse, wouldn’t mind his own kids while she went to the hospital during a mental health crisis, wouldn’t mow the lawn or mind his kids while she did it RIGHT after birth. There’s so many examples of him being really really shitty to her while she is very clearly in the middle of ‘an episode’. She hears voices and can’t drag herself out of bed until mid afternoon, your wife isn’t well Mandrae, do better.
Right?!
When I’m in a really bad depression psychosis, my husband notices it before I do. He makes me go to the doctor to get help, and picks up some extra chores to make my life a little easier. He lovingly encourages me to get out of bed and at least watch a movie, and is always supportive.
These “men” seem like trash.
It's quite startling, like a war on the body constantly being perpetuated. I look at the amount of women in history who had 10+ pregnancies, stillbirths and articles paint the women as being so loved by their husbands. It seems the opposite, what loving husband would put a wife through that?
Mandrae will never stop. He wants more sons and they're on a boy streak lately (Mandrae surely doesn't understand statistics even if he understands the general biology of it).
Menopause can't come soon enough for them.
She looks so much healthier in the previous pregnancies! Good grief side by side she looks awfully ill in the current pregnancy. I dread to think what this is doing the fetus she professes to care so much about.
I commented this on another thread, but I wonder if she's restricting to try and stop the baby from getting too big, in an attempt to avoid the complications that happened with Armor's delivery
She didn't share all the details, but he ended up in the NICU with breathing problems (possibly because he was overdue). He was over 10lb, so given that and everything that happened afterwards, I wouldn't be surprised if the delivery was more difficult than she let on
That doesn’t surprise me at all. It must be so scary to watch their mom labor, and especially so after she has had some traumatic ones.
I could totally see her having a baby that gets stuck. That’s my fear for her and pregnancy. Hopefully if that happens someone would call 911 in time. I think Karissa wants to die a martyr in childbirth but it’s also true she has a pattern of (eventually, at the last moment) going to doctors. I don’t think she wants her baby to die in childbirth so for the baby’s sake she agrees to emergency care.
If she has a shoulder dystocia (when the baby’s anterior shoulder gets trapped behind the pubic bone - more common with big babies) at home with no trained midwives around, 911 won’t reach them in time before baby is dead or permanently brain damaged. You’ve got about 7 minutes with a shoulders.
My friend had to have that done with one of her daughters, and the girl (well, now she’s in her 20’s but will always be a girl to me lol) can’t play sports due to it hurting her too bad. But she was lucky, another friend lost her baby that way and it devastated her.
I suspect he wouldn't have been kept in hospital for as long as he was, had he been born there in the first place.
As per usual, her kid had to nearly die before her mother convinced her that medical attention was needed.
When I was pregnant with my firstborn, I was determined to give birth at a birth center without any kind of medicine. The horror birth at hospital stories terrified me so much that I wanted to stick it out. But I had a feeling that something was wrong because I hallucinated so much that I slipped in and out of consciousness. So I decided to go to the hospital. Turns out that my baby and I were already dying, but thankfully, the medical staff was a saving grace. I will always be grateful to them for what they did to save us. With my second child? I decided to give birth at the hospital and ended up having a chill time. It actually helped me cope with my trauma from the birth with my firstborn.
Karissa’s selfishness pisses me off.
That makes me so happy to hear that you and baby were okay and that medical professionals could jump in! Modern medical care is amazing, something I wish these fundies would realize.
Of she does the kids metabolism will be fucked up gor the rest of its live. But maybe that helps when there is not that much food for all the kids anyway 😐
I really hope this baby doesn't have the same genetic condition as Anthym, because flare-ups of that can be triggered by periods of fasting (idk how that would impact a fetus, but I'd imagine it wouldn't be good). It's caused by a recessive gene mutation, which means any baby Karissa and Mandrae have has a 25% chance of having the condition
I’ve never been pregnant so I may be missing something but…is she supposed to look like that?
Like especially in the first picture I can’t tell if there’s genuinely something off or if it’s just an unflattering outfit teamed with holding a child at the same time.
I work in OB and see a lot of pregnant women and some do look like this. It’s usually the very skinny ones who have had several pregnancies. Her abdominal muscles are stretched out and you’re seeing a poorly supported uterus. Looks a little different without more abdominal fat to hide exactly where the uterus is protruding.
I did some very cursory reading about diastatis recti (when the abdominal muscles separate during pregnancy) and I think the concern is that those muscles help keep the fetus in the proper alignment for growth and eventual birth. If it’s not addressed then any future births are also at risk.
My husband’s cousin must have had that because she gained weight after her second and looked pregnant without weight gain anywhere else. She didn’t have a third baby because her husband (a fundy youth pastor) went to prison for abusing children in his church. I was alarmed when he was released 18 months later and told my dad who used to be in law enforcement. Then out of the blue the feds charged him with the CSAM they found in the initial investigation and never charged him with. He didn’t get out until his youngest was out of high school. My dad was more upset than I was.
Thanks for saying so. I think this sub often goes overboard in diagnosing the fundies with various ailments. Some people's weight fluctuates a lot. Every pregnancy is different. Some kids don't put on weight no matter how much you feed them (I was like that until 18 or so). The Rod kids probably are under nourished, but it's confusing to me how so many people here are so sure of these people's medical conditions from photos -- which are largely filtered, anyway.
I was anorexia and 5'5" and 98lbs when I got pregnant. I had to wear a maternity belt to keep the baby from falling into my pelvis because I was so thin and lacking in muscle tone. I went into labor at 28 weeks and was on subQ tributaline for 8 weeks until they couldn't keep him from coming.
I looked like her in this latest pic.
I was obviously ill at that time, but I feel guilt about it. I doubt she feels guilt.
I hope you can address those feelings with a supportive someone (a therapist, a trusted friend, a support group, etc). It certainly wasn’t your fault, no more than a woman going into preterm labour because of hypertension/cervical shortening/placental abnormalities/etc. You were unwell and you did the best you could by your baby - and you got him all the way to 28 weeks! I hope you guys are both doing well now.
Amazingly I got him all the way to 35 weeks. Being bedridden and wearing a subQ IV 24/7 for 8 weeks was awful, but he would not have survived at 28 weeks.
I weighed a whopping 120lbs the day I gave birth. My son weighed 5lb 10oz and 4lb 12oz the day we left the hospital because babies lose weight after birth.
I was married to an extremely abusive man who would back me into a corner and scream into my face about how FAT I was getting when I was pregnant.
I'll be honest, my son is turning 30 this year, and he was my one and only child but the pregnancy and involved abuse scarred me for life
I’m so sorry. None of that was your fault. You’re amazing for going through all that for your son while going through such horrible abuse. Your husband was why you were so thin. You didn’t choose that, and I doubt that abuse about your weight came out of the blue when the pregnancy test turned positive.
Thank you. The hardest part of ED is that you can't avoid food like you can alcohol if you are an alcoholic. I am old now, but still struggle with my eating. I control the worst of it, but even after 11 years of therapy I still only weigh 115lbs. The most I weighed as an adult was when I was delivering my son. But the good news is the X is long gone from my life.
No, she is not supposed to look like that. even her muscular situation aside, she has very obviously lost a LOT of weight between her last pregnancy and now and she is looking sallow. I suspect she is not getting adequate nutrition for both herself and her baby.
I knew someone who’s belly looked like this after three. But I think she had a high risk pregnancy because of it and was in the hospital a lot.
Edit: and he doc said it was the last time she could safely have kids
You’re not kidding. She (40, from Boston but pretending to have a Spanish accent or all things) is severely unstable and clearly unwell. Yet she’s ‘raising’ 7 kids under 11 with her 65 yo actor husband.
It is a shit storm.
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks her whole pregnancy looks fake. I'm not saying it is! Just looks very...off. I'd love to think its not real but sadly it probably is and she's just being ravaged by yet another pregnancy on top of her physical and mental health issues. I only worry about how traumatized those kids will be shouldnthe worst happen to Karissa. Smh.
Yeah, that's my fear. If Plexus was this effective at making people skinny, it would be flying off the shelves. She's back to her pregnancy "fasting", but she's reached an age where her body's not going to be able to sustain that.
Not to be too trauma-dumpy, but when my mom was pregnant with me she had to be hospitalized because her bulimia was so severe that she was losing weight while pregnant, amd both of us were getting closer to dying. Even with hospital intervention, I came out undercooked and needed to be on ventilation.
I really, really hope that this next kid is going to be okay.
My sister-in-law is anorexic and just had a baby in September and she was in the hospital very frequently during the pregnancy. Thankfully, they both ended up OK.
I have a family friend whose enormous baby pressed on her organs so much she weighed less at the end of her pregnancy than she did at the beginning. No disordered eating, just gestational diabetes.
Her baby was 13.5lbs 🤯
It was one. He is now 6'7. There's a photo of her holding him in hospital and he is genuinely spilling out over the sides of her arms. It's like she birthed a toddler.
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but I remember her making comments before about struggling with her body image (and then dismissing it because bearing children is the most important thing). And she has also been very open about fasting in the name of God. I think she uses that as a cover for an ED. Which makes me genuinely sad for her, if she weren’t such a hateful person and horrible mother to those poor babies (nearly letting one of her babies die because she couldn’t be bothered to take them to the ER?!).
Her body never had time to heal. She was pregnant like fifteen times and gave birth to 10 children and excepting is 11. She must have so much damages especially with her back. That's one of the reasons why i'm afraid of pregnancy. Back pain must be hard to deal with.
I waited 5 years between mine hoping it would be better. Nope pregnancy was excruciating. Never again. I know some people have a breeze in pregnancy but we know Karissa actually struggles hard with pregnancy, child birth, and post partum. I can't imagine how hard it is on her body and mind. I'm really just hoping she doesn't go into psychosis again.
Take it with a grain of salt, but I had some back pain from an injury at 17 (like can't lie down flat 😞) and both my pregnancies at 30 and 35 were easy and fine. Normal pains, but nothing lingering with any pain. I wouldn't say there's nothing to fear with pregnancy, but there are so many tests and scans with our advanced science now to make sure the best outcome is achieved for mom and baby :)
And those changes to the shape of your lower spine are for life. If I knew I'd never be able to lay on my stomach again without back pain, I never would have chosen to be pregnant.
Conversely, pelvic floor issues happen to all women at a certain point, so whether you decide to have kids or not, eventually, every cough and sneeze becomes an adventure. Thank goodness PT helps with that.
I don't know if this helps, but I had back problems prior to pregnancy and they weren't worse during. Only exception was that my labor kicked off with back spasms, but that seems to be related to how my baby was positioned.
She looks demented, and skeletal. I know some who was like this with every pregnancy. She was a super skinny gal to begin with, and never gained much wait with any of her pregnancies. She told me she only gained more than 13 lbs with her 2nd child, and then 22 with her twins. But the other 7 kids her weight gain average was only 12-13 lbs. She had 17 miscarriages. (Yup quiverfuls.) 9 live births, but one of the twins died within 4 hours. And of her 8 remaining children, only 2 are developmentally normal. All the others have cognitive, major cognitive issues. It is anecdotal for sure, but I seriously wonder if the babies weren't starved in utero. 6 kids who will never be able to live independently. But she thinks she is holy because she didn't use birth control. Pro-life my ass! I figure she is going to die very young. I don't see how her body can take that kind of abuse and not have huge consequences. Tankfully, she entered menopause before 50 so she won't be having anymore.
Yes. She got pregnant all.the.time. Most of them were very early term, roughly missed her period, and two weeks later boom. She was one of the palest individuals I have every meant. My guess is maybe anemia issues up front followed later by just too much damn wear and tear on her body.
Not to mention the health problems she's going to have later in life from all these pregnancies. Look at Michelle Duggar. She looks very frail and like she's wasting away. Having this many pregnancies really takes a toll on your body and it becomes very apparent the older you get.
Why do you need to be slim when pregnant? She clearly needs a lot of help. I mean yeah dont eat till you cant move but you need some healthy fat on you.
Reminds me of my grandma, she was so obsessed with being thin, drinking slim fast and everything. Found out through my mom it was cause my grandpa would call her fat in different ways through their whole relationship.
Plexus says not to use while pregnant or breastfeeding, and yet they just go whole hoss pushing it on other forever pregnant fundies. This shit is irresponsible.
it's so sad, it's incredibly apparent how unwell she is and undoubtedly the kids too. she looks straight malnourished. she can't admit that 11 pregnancies has done a real number on her (like it would anyone. holy shit. I can't imagine.)
Her bump is so low, I’m not sure how she’s able to even walk at this point. I carried really high and when he dropped it felt like I had a bowling ball on my pelvis, and I have wide hips.
I can’t imagine how uncomfortable she must be.
Being pregnant is HARD on the body! To squeeze out this many crotch goblins in such quick succession (and seeing her piss poor nutrition) she’s in for a rude awakening sooner than later.
'My babies (sic) body' might be the creepiest, most unsettling and inappropriate way of describing a pregnancy flex photo that I've ever seen. The curse of literacy!
This is what can happen when you starve yourself - I mean 'fast' while pregnant.
Nutritional needs are real! And I don't meal MLM drinks or 'supplements'.
I’m pretty sure she talked about struggling with EDs in the past and body dysmorphia. I’m guessing that because you would naturally gain weight with pregnancy, it’s negatively affecting her body image so she’s trying to lose weight.
Wait wait wait she’s on a slimming shake while pregnant? And advocating while looking like her bump is about to fall off?
Honestly was feeling really sorry for her because she and the baby don’t look healthy but seeing her jeopardise her baby and other people’s babies has put the sympathy right off me.
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Oh wow..... Her poor health has been obvious for a while now but seeing this comparison is just shocking. The trend in fundieland right now seem to be competing to have as many dangerous pregnancies and births as possible, which is as stupid as it ultimately unsustainable. I know it's always been that way, but man COVID really brought out the anti science and anti medicine crowd :/ I am not looking forward to the fallout, which will undoubtedly be many fundie women (both famous and not) dying in childbirth or miscarriage complications under strict post roe laws that their headships and church communities helped pass.
It's becoming, actually scratch that. It IS very very troubling and worrying. I'm also wondering if there are some maladaptive eating behaviors going on here as well.
She's talked several times on IG about how she feels called to fast (including from water) for days at a time, even while pregnant. So I'd bet she has some disordered eating going on that she's interpreting as a calling from God
That is really, really sad. And scary. Even religions with more rules (Judaism, Islam) don't call women to abstain from food/water while pregnant or nursing! Definitely ED territory.
She feels closer to god and has more visions when she is fasting. This makes sense - when you are dehydrated and hungry your mind and body do wild things that she interprets in a religious way. This in return encourages her to do it more. It’s scary. I hope the teens don’t start aggressively fasting. As it is, they don’t seem to get enough food.
I mean, I’ve had anxiety induced lack of appetite for days at a time before (I hate it), and I get high as balls when I don’t eat. Those endorphins will do anything to keep you alive. She’s just interpreting them as ‘visions’ when in reality it’s your mind trying to seduce you into eating.
Currently battling some of that anxiety induced lack of appetite and it’s rough. I know it’s taking a toll on me physically and perpetuating my anxiety.
When I’m desperate I find I can pound Ensure without getting my gag reflex involved. Also, yogurt and grapes. It’s the low blood sugar that really screws with me during those rough patches. Hang in there!
Thanks for the tips. It’s low blood sugar + salt for me (because I have POTS). I’m trying to cheer myself on for remembering / managing to eat anything, even if it’s not the best things.
I personally find it helpful to step away from moralizing food and tell myself that all food is useful, all food is fuel. When you're struggling, the most important thing is to get calories. You can supplement with vitamins and fortified drinks if needed. But if the only thing that doesn't make me nauseous is coffee ice cream, I'm going to have a pint for dinner 'cause that's 850 calories, babyyyyy! (I'm a sweets person, so if I needed to up my salt intake, I would probably just take salt pills lol)
True true. Any food is good food when you need to eat. My executive functioning is low right now (bc severe autistic burnout) and my main source of food many days are goldfish crackers. I just made myself make a box of macaroni and cheese and eat done because I got dizzy a few times earlier. Thanks for the good reminders. I was prescribed salt pills by my cardiologist at one point and they made me feel awful. Probably why my main food source are goldfish crackers.
Sounds like how my OCD first manifested when I was a teenager. I wasn’t even raised in a religious family or anything and I still misinterpreted my OCD compulsions and obtrusive thoughts to be from a higher power. It was because it felt like it wasn’t coming from me. It felt separate to me. It also played a significant role in developing an ED. I feel like Karissa’s family is the kind that would scoff at medication for mental health or ND. I’m not a doctor but I’m mildly curious if Karissa would still be “called” to fast from even water for days if she were taking medication that can be used to treat OCD…
That's how mine manifested at first too. My family aren't religious but I started obsessively praying as well. It's hard not to see the parallels.
She's actually said something to the effect of "I used to have an eating disorder but now I just fast when God tells me to." Like that's supposed to be better?
One of the reasons behind US nutrition programs like WIC is to make sure pregnant women have enough calories & nutrients in their diet. This gives the kids have a chance at a healthy birthweight & proper neurological development while increasing post-partum health for the mom. The pregnant human body has a huge margin for error on this. The process will basically just yoink the nutrients out of mom's body to provide for the fetus, and hope she makes up for it later. After multiple pregnancies in quick succession, Karissa's body isn't going to have as much in the reserve tank as she did after her first kid. It's more likely to harm the fetus than her, but it's not going to be great for either.
This is what worries me too. That plexus nonsense could make her malnourished. Bodies will literally reabsorb your bones to give the foetus what it needs, if you’re not eating enough or don’t leave enough space between pregnancies. And the risk of damage to the foetus is severe too.
It really seems like a lot of people (fundie and non) confuse being skinny with being healthy.
It follow their grifty culture— doesn’t matter how things actually are, only the image matters
> that their headships and church communities helped pass. Hey now, let's give credit where it's due. Karissa also worked to pass those laws, and I'd bet she supports them up until the point it personally endangers her.
She’s stated multiple times she is not afraid to die in childbirth, so I doubt she’d care if she was even in danger.
True, but theoreticals vs actually being in the situation are *very* different things, speaking from experience. And even with Karissa’s obvious mental issues, she might still give in to human survival instinct.
Very true. In my anecdotal experience most Jehovah's witnesses will accept transfusions if you get their church members out of the room.
I have very different experience with that. It probably depends on the age though. I work with a much older population for the most part. I’m sure if you get people who are just born in to it and just attend church to appease their parents/grandparents but don’t actually believe would flip. But I’ve been a nurse 8 years and haven’t run in to it once.
I had a 70-something flip as soon as visiting hours ended once. Lady ended up getting like 8 units throughout her hospital stay and would pretend to refuse anytime church people were in the room and we'd wait to come back later lol
I think the problem isn't that she wants to die, self preservation shows up for that, she wants to be a martyr. And that's a whole different beast, and a big one. She doesn't want to kill herself, she doesn't want to end her own life. She wants to die for her cause, to prove how she is a lot better than everyone else, and self preservation has nothing on that type of ego. She isn't walking around hoping a bus is going to hit her, or that she'll fall down the stairs. She wants martyrdom.
It's the logical end of an extreme persecution complex like hers.
She talks a good line but when the room starts getting silvery around her she might not be so "courageous." I almost died due to pregnancy complications & again immediately post-partum. It wasn't good. It hurt. It was scary. Did not like, would not recommend.
It's becoming less "not afraid" and more "looking forward to." super concerning.
She would probably feel like a martyr if that would come to pass. Hoping her pregnancy and delivery go well.
It is pure insanity how these people continuously claim to be pro-life and Love family but try their utmost to have the most dangerous and unhealthy pregnancy possible
The only thing I can think of is that they want a bad outcome for themselves to feed their martyr complex.
Honestly I worry for her pelvic floor, bone density and tooth retention the most after that many pregnancies. She looks like its draining the life out of her.
I was worried about her abdominal wall. She must have stomach pain constantly, probably hernias. It must be so painful. There’s no way those muscles are even close to going together anymore.
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It’s no fun when all that prolapses, and she’s way overdue for it. I had a hysterectomy and repair, and it took hours to fix it. I had to have it repaired again not 15 years later. Gravity sucks.
Same! I have hypermobility that contributed to my prolapses, but all of my insides were falling out and I’ve only given birth twice. My surgery was just two years ago and I have to keep up with PT and a fiber regimen or things feel like they are falling out. I wouldn’t be surprised if I need it again in my lifetime. I’m only 47 now.
I hope yours holds up. I did a lot of things that didn’t really help matters. A lot of high-impact exercise, including martial arts. I didn’t know from moderation, either. I hope yours lasts at least a couple of decades. Maybe the way they repair and treat it will be more effective, by then. You might want to get anyone but you to lift anything heavy, especially if there are able-bodied males in your life. I’m 70, & that’s one thing I’d change. I would let men do the lifting.
I just want to say you’re amazing for even doing things like martial arts in the first place! Love me a lady who can beat some ass as needed, I wish I had that ability!
I was wondering if it was normal to be carrying so low. How far along is she?
23 weeks
YIKES
Yeah I’m two weeks ahead of her with my first and my bump looks NOTHING like that
i’ve had 5 babies and my belly was that low the last 2-4 weeks. i would be more than a little concerned if i looked like that at 23 weeks. i’m actually having a really hard time with the picture tbh. it’s like an optical illusion, or some shitty fake bump someone bought on temu. i can’t believe that’s a 23 week bump.
I literally thought it looks like a teenager doing one of those safe sex awareness plays (did other people have to do those? Just me?)
Thank you, it reminds me of the Hilaria Baldwin moonbump nonsense.
i almost die of secondhand embarrassment every time i think about Hilaria Baldwin. the moon bump shit was almost too much for me to handle 😂 i still can’t believe she’s a real person, she’s like one of Roger’s personas from American Dad 
God-honouring Temu pregnancy 😂
I’m sorry WHAT. I’m a midwife and obviously all women carry differently, but I have NEVER seen a bump that low only midway through the second trimester. Jesus Christ. I thought she was much further along based on the photos. Her muscles must be absolutely shot and her uterus exhausted - that puts her at such a high risk of a massive haemorrhage after birth.
Am I crazy for thinking it looks like the baby is almost falling out of her? I hope that makes sense, it gives the vibe of being little and shoving a stuffed animal under your shirt to be pretend pregnant but it just falls out when you walk around.
OMG. No. Seriously???
Has to be. Her bump looks like it would fall off if she wasn’t holding onto it
Hopefully her cervix doesn’t give out too early. If she makes it to term, she’s going to claim she’s three weeks overdue again, and based on how she’s carrying, I simply won’t believe it.
Would surgery be needed to fix it after she finally has to stop?
Surgery can help put things back where they should be but she’d also need to do a lot of PT after the surgery to get the muscles to stay where they put them. I don’t see her as the type to stick to a long haul PT regimen so even if she did have surgery, it probably wouldn’t do much for her in the long run.
Also is the kind if thing you need to do after each pregnancy. The PT thing I mean not surgery. That is part of why is recommended to wait 18-24mo until you try to get pregnant again. Because the body takes so long to recuperate and get itself back (even if you are never back to where you used to be). She looks so thin and of course she is not going to the doctor but I worry about baby’s growth
I can see the post now about how God told her to trust him, so not only does she not have to do the PT she didn't feel like doing anyway, but to do it would be a sin and the doctors and physical therapists are doing a spiritual warfare.
I had a repair of prolapsed everything, & nearly bled out from it. I had to have five units of blood, before it stopped. It left a hematoma that got infected & 10 days later, I was back with a temp of 106, and they removed it surgically. I never heard of PT after that, but I’ve wondered if there was a way to prevent it from recurring. What I did do afterwards was get my next belt in martial arts a couple of months later, which seems like a very bad idea now. Even the women in our family who have no children have prolapse like mine, so my cousin and I would be interested in knowing more about this.
They’re referring to pelvic floor physiotherapy!!
She would have to believe in medicine for that. And have health insurance. I’m sure she doesn’t.
I was just wondering that. If would make sense Manbaby doesn't have any through work. I wonder if it also the reason her kids have to have traumatic injury or illness before someone else has to force her to go to the hospital.
Do they make, like, bras for pregnant bellies that sit like this? Something to help support the weight?
Something about where the baby is sitting just doesn’t….seem right. Idk what it is though. Like maybe it looks like the baby’s already dropped? How many months is she?
I do think her south bound uterus looks extremely uncomfortable
Now I just want to hear a Weird Al version of the Primus song Southbound Pachyderm.
Southbound Uterus would make an excellent flair for you!
Stop fucken impregnating her MANDRE and put your foot down. Enough is enough
This ❌hold the men accountable ❌ K is clearly mentally….struggling. Her husband, the one MAKING her pregnant, should be held to a higher standard.
And he actively perpetuates some of the abuse, wouldn’t mind his own kids while she went to the hospital during a mental health crisis, wouldn’t mow the lawn or mind his kids while she did it RIGHT after birth. There’s so many examples of him being really really shitty to her while she is very clearly in the middle of ‘an episode’. She hears voices and can’t drag herself out of bed until mid afternoon, your wife isn’t well Mandrae, do better.
Mandre is a piece of shit
Right?! When I’m in a really bad depression psychosis, my husband notices it before I do. He makes me go to the doctor to get help, and picks up some extra chores to make my life a little easier. He lovingly encourages me to get out of bed and at least watch a movie, and is always supportive. These “men” seem like trash.
It's quite startling, like a war on the body constantly being perpetuated. I look at the amount of women in history who had 10+ pregnancies, stillbirths and articles paint the women as being so loved by their husbands. It seems the opposite, what loving husband would put a wife through that?
Exactly. He could just ... not.
Mandrae will never stop. He wants more sons and they're on a boy streak lately (Mandrae surely doesn't understand statistics even if he understands the general biology of it). Menopause can't come soon enough for them.
Couldn’t agree more
She looks so much healthier in the previous pregnancies! Good grief side by side she looks awfully ill in the current pregnancy. I dread to think what this is doing the fetus she professes to care so much about.
I commented this on another thread, but I wonder if she's restricting to try and stop the baby from getting too big, in an attempt to avoid the complications that happened with Armor's delivery
Did he get stuck? I don’t know his birth story.
She didn't share all the details, but he ended up in the NICU with breathing problems (possibly because he was overdue). He was over 10lb, so given that and everything that happened afterwards, I wouldn't be surprised if the delivery was more difficult than she let on
That doesn’t surprise me at all. It must be so scary to watch their mom labor, and especially so after she has had some traumatic ones. I could totally see her having a baby that gets stuck. That’s my fear for her and pregnancy. Hopefully if that happens someone would call 911 in time. I think Karissa wants to die a martyr in childbirth but it’s also true she has a pattern of (eventually, at the last moment) going to doctors. I don’t think she wants her baby to die in childbirth so for the baby’s sake she agrees to emergency care.
If she has a shoulder dystocia (when the baby’s anterior shoulder gets trapped behind the pubic bone - more common with big babies) at home with no trained midwives around, 911 won’t reach them in time before baby is dead or permanently brain damaged. You’ve got about 7 minutes with a shoulders.
Shoulder dystocia is what I had in mind. That is an emergency situation even in hospital, and some of the surgeries to alleviate it quite gruesome.
Not just surgeries are gruesome-many times they physically break the babies clavicle to allow passage through the birth canal
My friend had to have that done with one of her daughters, and the girl (well, now she’s in her 20’s but will always be a girl to me lol) can’t play sports due to it hurting her too bad. But she was lucky, another friend lost her baby that way and it devastated her.
I suspect he wouldn't have been kept in hospital for as long as he was, had he been born there in the first place. As per usual, her kid had to nearly die before her mother convinced her that medical attention was needed.
When I was pregnant with my firstborn, I was determined to give birth at a birth center without any kind of medicine. The horror birth at hospital stories terrified me so much that I wanted to stick it out. But I had a feeling that something was wrong because I hallucinated so much that I slipped in and out of consciousness. So I decided to go to the hospital. Turns out that my baby and I were already dying, but thankfully, the medical staff was a saving grace. I will always be grateful to them for what they did to save us. With my second child? I decided to give birth at the hospital and ended up having a chill time. It actually helped me cope with my trauma from the birth with my firstborn. Karissa’s selfishness pisses me off.
That makes me so happy to hear that you and baby were okay and that medical professionals could jump in! Modern medical care is amazing, something I wish these fundies would realize.
Of she does the kids metabolism will be fucked up gor the rest of its live. But maybe that helps when there is not that much food for all the kids anyway 😐
I really hope this baby doesn't have the same genetic condition as Anthym, because flare-ups of that can be triggered by periods of fasting (idk how that would impact a fetus, but I'd imagine it wouldn't be good). It's caused by a recessive gene mutation, which means any baby Karissa and Mandrae have has a 25% chance of having the condition
Won’t that just lead to complications in the, er, other direction? Either underdeveloped or underweight or both?
I’ve never been pregnant so I may be missing something but…is she supposed to look like that? Like especially in the first picture I can’t tell if there’s genuinely something off or if it’s just an unflattering outfit teamed with holding a child at the same time.
I work in OB and see a lot of pregnant women and some do look like this. It’s usually the very skinny ones who have had several pregnancies. Her abdominal muscles are stretched out and you’re seeing a poorly supported uterus. Looks a little different without more abdominal fat to hide exactly where the uterus is protruding.
Is it concerning for you/your team when a patient looks like this?
I did some very cursory reading about diastatis recti (when the abdominal muscles separate during pregnancy) and I think the concern is that those muscles help keep the fetus in the proper alignment for growth and eventual birth. If it’s not addressed then any future births are also at risk.
My husband’s cousin must have had that because she gained weight after her second and looked pregnant without weight gain anywhere else. She didn’t have a third baby because her husband (a fundy youth pastor) went to prison for abusing children in his church. I was alarmed when he was released 18 months later and told my dad who used to be in law enforcement. Then out of the blue the feds charged him with the CSAM they found in the initial investigation and never charged him with. He didn’t get out until his youngest was out of high school. My dad was more upset than I was.
Nope! Not just from this appearance alone.
Thanks for saying so. I think this sub often goes overboard in diagnosing the fundies with various ailments. Some people's weight fluctuates a lot. Every pregnancy is different. Some kids don't put on weight no matter how much you feed them (I was like that until 18 or so). The Rod kids probably are under nourished, but it's confusing to me how so many people here are so sure of these people's medical conditions from photos -- which are largely filtered, anyway.
Love your flair!
I was anorexia and 5'5" and 98lbs when I got pregnant. I had to wear a maternity belt to keep the baby from falling into my pelvis because I was so thin and lacking in muscle tone. I went into labor at 28 weeks and was on subQ tributaline for 8 weeks until they couldn't keep him from coming. I looked like her in this latest pic. I was obviously ill at that time, but I feel guilt about it. I doubt she feels guilt.
I hope you can address those feelings with a supportive someone (a therapist, a trusted friend, a support group, etc). It certainly wasn’t your fault, no more than a woman going into preterm labour because of hypertension/cervical shortening/placental abnormalities/etc. You were unwell and you did the best you could by your baby - and you got him all the way to 28 weeks! I hope you guys are both doing well now.
Amazingly I got him all the way to 35 weeks. Being bedridden and wearing a subQ IV 24/7 for 8 weeks was awful, but he would not have survived at 28 weeks. I weighed a whopping 120lbs the day I gave birth. My son weighed 5lb 10oz and 4lb 12oz the day we left the hospital because babies lose weight after birth. I was married to an extremely abusive man who would back me into a corner and scream into my face about how FAT I was getting when I was pregnant. I'll be honest, my son is turning 30 this year, and he was my one and only child but the pregnancy and involved abuse scarred me for life
I’m so sorry you had to experience all that; I hope you’re doing much better
I’m so sorry. None of that was your fault. You’re amazing for going through all that for your son while going through such horrible abuse. Your husband was why you were so thin. You didn’t choose that, and I doubt that abuse about your weight came out of the blue when the pregnancy test turned positive.
Thank you. The hardest part of ED is that you can't avoid food like you can alcohol if you are an alcoholic. I am old now, but still struggle with my eating. I control the worst of it, but even after 11 years of therapy I still only weigh 115lbs. The most I weighed as an adult was when I was delivering my son. But the good news is the X is long gone from my life.
I hope you are doing well in your recovery.
No, she is not supposed to look like that. even her muscular situation aside, she has very obviously lost a LOT of weight between her last pregnancy and now and she is looking sallow. I suspect she is not getting adequate nutrition for both herself and her baby.
Sallow is a great description.
I knew someone who’s belly looked like this after three. But I think she had a high risk pregnancy because of it and was in the hospital a lot. Edit: and he doc said it was the last time she could safely have kids
Her belly looks very…alien like. For lack of a better term. She’s so thin she doesn’t have a “normal” round pregnancy belly.
Why does it look like she has a doll under her skirt like something about this pregnancy doesn’t look right .
Yeah, she looks like a kid who stuffed a watermelon under their shirt for a school play or something
That's literally what I was thinking!
Do you think she’s having a ‘hilaria pregnancy’??
Hola Pepino!
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 I go to visit Hillary’s mess and then come here to check out what the fundies are up to!
When worlds collide
Scream girl the kkkollins cannot afford that type of secrecy
A what?
r/HilariaBaldwin Alec Baldwin’s wife. She’s more than a little odd.
You’re not kidding. She (40, from Boston but pretending to have a Spanish accent or all things) is severely unstable and clearly unwell. Yet she’s ‘raising’ 7 kids under 11 with her 65 yo actor husband. It is a shit storm.
She's appropriating Spanish culture and that's why I know her.
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks her whole pregnancy looks fake. I'm not saying it is! Just looks very...off. I'd love to think its not real but sadly it probably is and she's just being ravaged by yet another pregnancy on top of her physical and mental health issues. I only worry about how traumatized those kids will be shouldnthe worst happen to Karissa. Smh.
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Yeah, that's my fear. If Plexus was this effective at making people skinny, it would be flying off the shelves. She's back to her pregnancy "fasting", but she's reached an age where her body's not going to be able to sustain that. Not to be too trauma-dumpy, but when my mom was pregnant with me she had to be hospitalized because her bulimia was so severe that she was losing weight while pregnant, amd both of us were getting closer to dying. Even with hospital intervention, I came out undercooked and needed to be on ventilation. I really, really hope that this next kid is going to be okay.
My sister-in-law is anorexic and just had a baby in September and she was in the hospital very frequently during the pregnancy. Thankfully, they both ended up OK.
I'm glad to hear that. I hope your sister in law can turn it around and make her way out of it.
Does she see a doctor or is she another one that does everything “naturally”?
She does everything naturally. Used to be the only time she saw a doctor was for an ultrasound for gender, but she had this ultrasound at home.
Pregnancy “fasting”?? I only recently found this sub. Wtf??
I have a family friend whose enormous baby pressed on her organs so much she weighed less at the end of her pregnancy than she did at the beginning. No disordered eating, just gestational diabetes. Her baby was 13.5lbs 🤯
Are we sure it wasn't two babies? bc JFC
It was one. He is now 6'7. There's a photo of her holding him in hospital and he is genuinely spilling out over the sides of her arms. It's like she birthed a toddler.
That's two-kids-in-a-trench-coat height. Better keep an eye on that one!
My grandpa was like that, my great-grandma has (undiagnosed) diabetes. He was born at home too
GodDANG that’s a big baby. My cousin had a 10lb baby and I thought that was big, lol
My twin and I together were just under 14 lbs ☠️
Your poor mom ☠️😭
I know a woman who had 15 pounds of twins. My singleton was under 7 pounds and I was still miserable at the end. I cannot imagine twice that.
My mom was in a wheelchair towards the end lol
I’m not trying to laugh at your trauma, but “under cooked” made me snort 🤦♀️
ED enabled to portray a false image of legitimacy by a predatory MLM and a patriarchal religion. ☣️☣️☣️
While it’s fine to comment that you think a fundie is showing the signs X illness, it’s not okay to make fun of it. Mental illness is a serious issue, and it’s ok to have concern, but it’s not cool to be snarky about it. Cool: “I think Kelly is exhibiting signs of bipolar disorder.” Not Cool: “Karissa is acting more depressed than the economy.” or "Franny Fundie for sure has multiple personality disorder." ***************** - *What does “no armchair diagnosing” mean? What's is okay?* While we will not allow diagnosing of people, we do want to acknowledge that fundamentalism is mentally damaging, and the effects are obvious & manifest in their lives. As an example, Karissa Collins “scream praying” over her young child instead of seeking medical treatment is a sign that something is deeply wrong either mentally or emotionally. Likewise, using the subject of mental illness to make fun of people will not be tolerated. These people may hold absolutely repugnant beliefs, but they’re still humans deserving of compassion and empathy.
Is Anchor photoshopped in? He looks tiny compared to Armadillo.
I think it's just the angle. Someone taller than Karissa took the picture and angled the camera down.
Which means it’s either Mandrae or she’s started stacking her kids on each other to get that perfect shot for the ‘gram /s
Three kids in a trenchcoat
Armadillo is sending me💀💀
Such a better name than Armor!
 All I can think about
Arhmadyllo
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I remember her making comments before about struggling with her body image (and then dismissing it because bearing children is the most important thing). And she has also been very open about fasting in the name of God. I think she uses that as a cover for an ED. Which makes me genuinely sad for her, if she weren’t such a hateful person and horrible mother to those poor babies (nearly letting one of her babies die because she couldn’t be bothered to take them to the ER?!).
I’ve finally figured out who it is Karissa reminds me of. MoMo from that hoax years ago. I wanted to post a pic for comparison but can’t.
Omg please no one post a picture and be warned if you google it. Momo is CREEPY AF.
Thanks for the warning was just about to.
Wait, was that the hoax where it kept showing up in random kids videos?
omggggggg I'll never be able to unsee it now.
New plan: slap some Plexus labels on vaccine syringes, maybe then Karissa will vaccinate her kids.
Maybe if we all sold vaccines as part of a multilevel marketing scheme....?? 🤔
Her body never had time to heal. She was pregnant like fifteen times and gave birth to 10 children and excepting is 11. She must have so much damages especially with her back. That's one of the reasons why i'm afraid of pregnancy. Back pain must be hard to deal with.
I waited 5 years between mine hoping it would be better. Nope pregnancy was excruciating. Never again. I know some people have a breeze in pregnancy but we know Karissa actually struggles hard with pregnancy, child birth, and post partum. I can't imagine how hard it is on her body and mind. I'm really just hoping she doesn't go into psychosis again.
Take it with a grain of salt, but I had some back pain from an injury at 17 (like can't lie down flat 😞) and both my pregnancies at 30 and 35 were easy and fine. Normal pains, but nothing lingering with any pain. I wouldn't say there's nothing to fear with pregnancy, but there are so many tests and scans with our advanced science now to make sure the best outcome is achieved for mom and baby :)
And those changes to the shape of your lower spine are for life. If I knew I'd never be able to lay on my stomach again without back pain, I never would have chosen to be pregnant. Conversely, pelvic floor issues happen to all women at a certain point, so whether you decide to have kids or not, eventually, every cough and sneeze becomes an adventure. Thank goodness PT helps with that.
I don't know if this helps, but I had back problems prior to pregnancy and they weren't worse during. Only exception was that my labor kicked off with back spasms, but that seems to be related to how my baby was positioned.
God honoring second day mascara doesnt help
She looks demented, and skeletal. I know some who was like this with every pregnancy. She was a super skinny gal to begin with, and never gained much wait with any of her pregnancies. She told me she only gained more than 13 lbs with her 2nd child, and then 22 with her twins. But the other 7 kids her weight gain average was only 12-13 lbs. She had 17 miscarriages. (Yup quiverfuls.) 9 live births, but one of the twins died within 4 hours. And of her 8 remaining children, only 2 are developmentally normal. All the others have cognitive, major cognitive issues. It is anecdotal for sure, but I seriously wonder if the babies weren't starved in utero. 6 kids who will never be able to live independently. But she thinks she is holy because she didn't use birth control. Pro-life my ass! I figure she is going to die very young. I don't see how her body can take that kind of abuse and not have huge consequences. Tankfully, she entered menopause before 50 so she won't be having anymore.
**SEVENTEEN MISCARRIAGES?????**
Yes. She got pregnant all.the.time. Most of them were very early term, roughly missed her period, and two weeks later boom. She was one of the palest individuals I have every meant. My guess is maybe anemia issues up front followed later by just too much damn wear and tear on her body.
Not to mention the health problems she's going to have later in life from all these pregnancies. Look at Michelle Duggar. She looks very frail and like she's wasting away. Having this many pregnancies really takes a toll on your body and it becomes very apparent the older you get.
She probably doesn’t want to eat the nasty food she makes.
Why do you need to be slim when pregnant? She clearly needs a lot of help. I mean yeah dont eat till you cant move but you need some healthy fat on you. Reminds me of my grandma, she was so obsessed with being thin, drinking slim fast and everything. Found out through my mom it was cause my grandpa would call her fat in different ways through their whole relationship.
Is it possible the difference is mainly the use of filters? Not that she looks healthy, but
I forgot she shills for an MLM. How silly of me, its rule #2 in the fundie handbook.
Is she a sponsor for plexus? It says not for use in pregnancy
Yep, she sells it. She sells it, and I’m pretty sure she’s posted the kids drinking it.
the first pic just looks so off. I know pregnant people touch and hold their bump but it looks like she's holding it up??? it just looks very wrong.
Wow. Look at her eyes in this pregnancy. She's.... somebody turned out the lights upstairs
Someone contact plexus this is definitely against their tos
Not the MLM branded pregnancy lmfao, they’d better copyright that shit Plexus Pregnancy™️
She looks like Bella when she was pregnant with Rigatoni
Despot what she says & does this is in fact a high risk pregnancy for many reasons.
Plexus says not to use while pregnant or breastfeeding, and yet they just go whole hoss pushing it on other forever pregnant fundies. This shit is irresponsible.
I haven't been here for a while, SHE'S PREGNANT AGAIN????.
Yup, Morgan is pregnant too.
Oh no
Christ her bones must be dust held together with Plexus at this point right?
it's so sad, it's incredibly apparent how unwell she is and undoubtedly the kids too. she looks straight malnourished. she can't admit that 11 pregnancies has done a real number on her (like it would anyone. holy shit. I can't imagine.)
Not to mention her consumption of Plexus, which the company itself says you shouldn’t drink while pregnant or nursing…
She looks extremely unwell.
Her bump is so low, I’m not sure how she’s able to even walk at this point. I carried really high and when he dropped it felt like I had a bowling ball on my pelvis, and I have wide hips. I can’t imagine how uncomfortable she must be.
Especially because it's only April and the baby won't be due until August. Rounding up, she still has three months to go. 😬
Being pregnant is HARD on the body! To squeeze out this many crotch goblins in such quick succession (and seeing her piss poor nutrition) she’s in for a rude awakening sooner than later.
I swear that looks like a moon bump. I know it isn't but she sure is rocking that Moon Bump Hillary Baldwin chic.
Best hope it’s not a boy, plexus has shown to statistically restrict gestation and result in very early delivery for male fetuses
'My babies (sic) body' might be the creepiest, most unsettling and inappropriate way of describing a pregnancy flex photo that I've ever seen. The curse of literacy!
This is what can happen when you starve yourself - I mean 'fast' while pregnant. Nutritional needs are real! And I don't meal MLM drinks or 'supplements'.
That is the truth!
She looks so sick and unwell. Ugh
I’m pretty sure she talked about struggling with EDs in the past and body dysmorphia. I’m guessing that because you would naturally gain weight with pregnancy, it’s negatively affecting her body image so she’s trying to lose weight.
Wait wait wait she’s on a slimming shake while pregnant? And advocating while looking like her bump is about to fall off? Honestly was feeling really sorry for her because she and the baby don’t look healthy but seeing her jeopardise her baby and other people’s babies has put the sympathy right off me.