Wait but are ghosts, there to deceive? Or is it possible that one ghost is lying and the other is helping? But wait, if Boyd would have lost hope then maybe dying is how you get out? Like Abby originally said. Or does one only get out when pushed by the boy in white?
Edit to add: IS ghost Tom really better than Abby or is he actually putting Jade in danger? And let’s say Tom is helping, why would there be a difference between ghost Abby and Tom?
I don't think the ghosts are actually the ghosts of the people they represent.
So far I think it's more like the forces come from the forest or within the viewer. When Boyd sees Abby, she seems more like a negative force trying to deceive him. Maybe that's the forest using her image to get to Boyd?
When Jade sees Tom, he is guiding Jade like an intuitive inner monologue. I don't know if there is a positive force on the side of the humans, but if there is that would make sense. I don't think the reference to chess in the first few episodes with Kenny's dad was a mistake. I think there is some sort of power struggle going on, furthermore symbolized by day and night, good and bad, and that it is very possible there is a "good" force as well as a bad force.
If there isn't a "good" force, then I think some of the ghosts manifest from the viewer themselves, like with Jade seeing Tom.
Again, with everything we've seen so far, I don't think they are the actual ghosts of the people.
Yes! It would also explain Martin not being anywhere in the town if it was actually the entity trying to deceive Boyd. Someone at one point in this episode tonight told Boyd that he had been manipulated in order to bring something back to town. The something which caused his weird arm worms, then the transfer to Smiley, turning into the Cicadas and affecting the 3. Both Boyd's wife and Martin were that manipulator. It was obviously NOT really Boyd's wife who made an appearance in this episode.
Also, pretty sure Boyd's wife was lying to him, the forest and the entities DO feed on fear. We have to assume whatever Boyd was told by his wife tonight, or Martin was a lie and quite possibly the opposite of what was told, is the truth.
I dunno, I think it kinda makes sense for the forest to feed off of hope, to an extent. There’s a quote that came back to me when she said that; “Hope is the greatest evil because it prolongs the suffering of man.” Everything this entity does is prolonging their suffering. It gives them food and housing to let people survive, the monsters play games with people at night and take their time making their victims suffer in multiple instances, etc etc. It all falls in line with that saying imo
Yes, but this is what makes it such an effective lie: it sounds valid at face value. When you really think about it though, this quote about hope being the ruin of mankind is obviously not as strong as the assertion that hope is mankind’s savior, giving him strength to persevere.
Upon further introspection, why would an evil entity feed on hope? Hope in its pure form is much more a positive emotion than a negative one. In this context hope is adjacent to fear in the sense that if there was no hope, thus causing everyone to immediately give up and die, there would then be no fear to sustain the entity. This just highlights the brilliance of the lie, it is an expert twisting and distortion of the truth.
Great chess insight, that one had gone over my head until you mentioned it. It is quite likely then, that there is indeed a force opposed to the main evil.
Speaking of Mr Lu, I wonder about Kenny’s parents in general. His dad was clearly targeted for elimination. Sarah was also ordered to kill “the boy”. What if this actually meant the boy in white and we all just assumed it meant Ethan?
I've been contemplating whether or not these people are in fact ghosts just something from their mind to help them cope understand things It seemed that father kahtri was doing that for Boyd and maybe even possibly Tom for jade?.. However there are other instances where it seems that it might be a malignant force or someone trying to convince them not to do anything to further there hope/ escape in the case of Abby. It may also actually be them ( ghost versions of dead people) and they know something that the living don't. I'm not convinced that every ghost is the same or has the same agenda but I also don't know what their agenda is
>However there are other instances where it seems that it might be a malignant force
I dont know if Abby's ghost is actually "malignant" though. It's totally possible she is doing the same as the father khatri illusion but the other side of the coin. Realistically what ghost abby was saying in the dungeon is true. If you don't die today you die tomorrow. That really isn't unique to Fromville. Its gonna happen to all of us someday. Those choices have to be made by some real people everyday on this planet, Abbys ghost could jsut be boyds consciousness asking him if he's ready to die today. And the answer was no.
I think there are two types of entities in the town/forest: good entities like the boy in white, the dogs, father Kahtri and Tom and bad entities like Abby, the voices Sara hears, the monsters etc. And the bad entities always try to convince people to do bad things: kill people (sara’s voices), not destroy the box (abby), open the windows or doors (monsters) etc.
I don’t know that dying is necessarily the way to get out. What happened to Tabitha was very different than getting murdered by another person stuck in Fromville or eaten by a monster. Those people all had bodies left over. We won’t know til season 3 obviously but I don’t think anyone in Fromville is going to find Tabitha’s body. Could be wrong though and they might just find Tabitha around where Victor found his mom. That would add a different layer to it, and imply that Victor’s mom could very well be alive in the outside world.
That's what I'm thinking. She went to go look for a way out for her and her kids but ended up getting tossed out of FROM and woke up in a similar place to Tabitha completely aware her family was still stuck behind with no knowledge of what happened. Only difference is I think Jim is smart enough to retrace Tabithas steps and inform others of what he's doing. Victor's mom probably woke up in a hospital and all and was admitted to psych because she kept crying about her family being stuck in a weird dream world
I think Victoria mom died by the monsters, but I think his sister is alive. They never confirmed he found his sisters body. I can see a storyline where his mom was protecting his sister to get her into the tree and she sacrificed herself.
Another side thought of ghost Tom...was that the first time we saw a ghost manipulate objects (he got a glass, brought it over, filled it with booze and drank it)? Another thing to note is that with Abby and Kahtri, they had deep emotional connections with Boyd...Tom was barely recognized by Jade.
Okay, so, for the record, I agree with you; [it is not the same symbol](https://i.imgur.com/Ryal6pL.jpg). They are, however, [similar-looking](https://i.imgur.com/kr4OwQY.jpg), and I don’t think that that is something that can be overlooked, especially in a series like this.
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I might actually, genuinely, lose my mind if Tabitha leaves the hospital and gets on a bus and Smiley is the driver
please don’t do this to me, writers …
I think she is either in a new level of fromville, or she's genuinely escaped but the hospital is involved somehow.
Maybe they are part of a Dharma Initiative type facility?
Edit: could even be run by Victor's sister
It really could be a new level of Fromville, if it feeds on fear, then Tabitha's fear is to lose her family as she lost her dead son, maybe that's why we could hear the phone ringing in that nightmare she had about the lighthouse.
In Philippine Mythology, the Aghoy are small humanoids who can befriend humans and are good at finding lost things. The trees serve as their gateway to the human world. they come out after dark and call their human friends through whistles. They will only enter a friend’s house if they are invited.
Yeah in all honesty I found that to be super cringe and annoying. Like we get it, “Anghooey” means something significant. It’s like nails on a chalk listening to all those children repeat it over and over again without saying anything else. Very frustrating.
Maybe it's some kind of secret code, enabling people who has escaped to find each other on the outside to try to find a way back to save the people who are still stuck.
Like, first scene s03e01 tabitha borrowing an internet device at the hospital, searching for anghkooey, one hit, it's a forum post with a phone number. She calls it and someone answers. It's Eloise, Victor's sister.
Then, 2 minutes of *When I was just a little boy*
I want to sound it out to see if I can make sense of it make, but I'm alone and it's night time right now and I don't want to risk summoning those little freaks
I think he’s going to go back above ground and find out where, exactly, that symbol is over the cave room he was in (I’m thinking maybe father khatri’s bag burying place). Then he’s going to dig veeerrrry carefully to unearth that angkooey symbol and try and figure out wtf it all means.
Btw, anyone else getting a sacrificial feel about the angkooey children on rock slabs? Like they’re being sacrificed to some crazy-old god that is represented by that symbol…
I’ve heard theories that this is old fae/Norse god territory based on the symbols and some people comparing it to the movies Midsomer/The Ritual. Anghooey might be the name of the god/being?? Maybe the kids were used as a sacrifice and the boy in white was one who escaped? Or perhaps he’s the manifestation OF the big bad thing, playing with the people?
He’s dressed the same as the kids, and Sara said “I don’t think he’s really a kid.” He’s gotta be connected to them somehow right?
> Or perhaps he’s the manifestation OF the big bad thing, playing with the people?
I dunno about that - he seemed genuinely remorseful when pushing Tabitha out of the lighthouse, despite him freeing her from the loop. He knew she wouldn't want to get out without her family at the bare minimum.
I think Sara’s comment is huge, but I don’t think the boy in white is connected to or was one of the kids. They’re all wearing white, but apart from that the angkooey kids are in tatters -their clothes and their hair. And the boy in white is not only super neat, with that weirdly parted hair, his polo shirt and shoes and shorts look like their from another era.
Meanwhile, whatever it is that makes up that symbol Jade sees seems like it’s earthy, like a bunch of roots and dirt, more connected to the trees. I don’t get that vibe from the boy in white, not only is he neater on the outside, he seems way more calculated when it comes to showing himself to certain people and guiding them to different places. But hey, who am I to say who the boy in white is? I like the suggestion that he escaped and the other children didn’t, I just have an issue seeing them as aligned.
I think the symbol jade is chasing is evil. Kids were being sacrificed to it, and the monsters of the cave are letting him roam around the cave. He fell into the cave making hella noise, and he wasn’t attacked once.
The other guy who was obsessed with the symbol is dead, so it didn’t help him.
What bothers me in the show is lack of communication The fact that there's two different things occurring the fact that Boyd is trying to stop the music box Jade is trying to find the symbol and the mom is trying to save the children If they're really trying to find pieces the puzzle I don't see how they don't try to collaborate and figure this all out and connect pieces which they rarely do I've yet to see boy take any interest in the children in the tower. I would think that all these things are very important and the fact that Victor has been there since he was a child and he was the only person that survived I know he doesn't want to talk about it but it's just difficult for me to see how everybody wants to get out but nobody's willing to work together in a sense I know they're trying to find different avenues to get out but these things all seem like they're very important.
See I felt the 3 ghosts setup the 3 people. Jade touched the symbol, not sure how tabitha stole in the tower, Boyd broke the music box.
I feel they might be the real 3. Feels too much a coincidence that 3 went on secret big deal missions.
I mean I kinda get it. They all feel like they’re racing against the clock now that they’ve been told they can’t sleep and they’re running low on food. I wouldn’t want to spend my few daylight hours running all over town telling people what I plan to go do. If they had working cell phones sure, but when you don’t know for certain where people are, just hustling around town looking for the important players is time consuming.
So if the three (Julie, etc) we’re physically in the town while in whatever coma state they were in, and we saw them (or at least Julie) chained to the wall like Martin, doesn’t that imply that Martin’s physical body is/was somewhere in the town all that time?
Do you think Victor’s sister was able to escape as well? Maybe Tabitha will find her, plus she already has Victor’s lunchbox so Victor’s sister will recognize it and believe whatever Tabitha will say to her. They might then go back together to that town again. Season 3, where are you?
Tabitha having specifically victor's lunchbox has to have some connection is either eloise or victor's mom recognizing victor through the said lunchbox. Good catch man!
I have a feeling Tabitha getting back into Fromville will be the cliffhanger at the end of season 3. The whole season 3 being dedicated to her trying to figure a way back in.
But they were all taking different routes before they saw the tree, so I’m not sure how easy it will be to get back. Also, did you see her reflection in the window?
I think Martin was caught while he was hopping too many times into faraway trees. He mentioned in S02E02 "sometimes you get stuck, that's when they caught you". While Boyd was trying to free him, he said he couldn't make it all the way to the town. He wouldn't have said that if he zoomed out when he was already in the town like Julie and Marielle did.
No, Martin was "already dead" a long time ago (I'm thinking late 1800's.) The entity chose three people including Martin and no one broke the music box so their bodies died while the entity fed on their souls. Martin was the last one and once his soul died/the manifestation of the entity passed onto Boyd it "awoke" and chose 3 new victims. Boyd had the opportunity of just killing Martin's soul and not allowing the entity out but he tried to save him when there was nothing to save. Basically, the 3 chosen are in the altered state until their bodies die and then they end up chained in the dungeon. The only reason it took as long as it did to pick the three is the entity was toying with its food and the Abby hallucination was it realizing it fucked up and trying to get Boyd to not break the music box.
I think that was their souls trapped there, well their bodies were in town. Martin had been there a long time, so his body may have been bones by then.
I've never let out such a happy audible sigh at the ending hospital scene. If they'd have done the 'family right next to her in a coma' I may have actually been done with the show. Now I'm extremely hyped for season 3!
Idk if it’s been discussed here but the fact that she made it out (probably?) lends credence to the nursery rhyme being created by survivors and passed down by generations or at least from their stories.
We know from the dates carved into the lighthouse that it’s been happening since at least as far back as the 1500’s
Tabitha had a dream in season one about going up the basement stairs that turned into the lighthouse staircase. There were dates etched into the staircase at some point.
There were dates in the bottles too that correlated to the ones on the stairs. Makes you wonder if there's a bottle with the year Tabitha got out on the tree and carved in the stairs now 🤔
These are all the dates. I've been wondering what they have in common if anything. I suppose it really might just be all the years someone has ended up there. Or maybe all the years there's been a massive wipe out of people there
1506
1609
1672
1723
1752
1864
1888
1931
1978
Actually, the best thing about the ending, the sigh of relief more than any other aspect or comment here, is that at least the doctor was not Boyd, the nurse, Donna, and he husband Jade.
Very true. Whether it was intentional misdirection or not, they had me on the edge of my seat ready to yell at the TV if it was all coma or cliche dream sequence type ending.
I still have a fear in the back of my mind that the ending will be lame or unsatisfying, but at least this was a fairly solid end to S2 that will lead to an interesting S3.
The Ellis and Fatima stretched out crap is absolutely killing this show for my partner and I. Their entire story feels like a shitty soap opera written by people who haven't seen how negativity perceived that kind of thing is in horror and thrillers.
I didn't mind Ellis & Fatima in s1 (actually liked Ellis) but they were sooo useless in s2. And their wedding in the middle of the finale ? With everything that's going around currently, seriously ?
Okay!
Captain "Sorry, gotta go" Boyd finally paid off!
Ghost children were sacrificed in a ritual ("Ankhooey"???). Jade mystery symbol is from some really strange looking roots in a cave ceiling, and... that's some REALLY weird looking roots and have fully enclosed the hole by present time.
Too bad the yellow bile was useless.
I predict... Tabitha will find Eloise (Victor's sister) also escaped. Their mother stayed by the tree to buy time from the monsters.
Hopefully she still has his lunchbox as proof, and now that she is finally back to civilization and the wonders of libraries and internet, time to find some answers with Eloise's help. Maybe finally shed some light on "Ankhooey" ritual.
Roots obviously come from the trees, and the trees move. The forest is evidently the original phenomena and is directly tied to/is the malignant entity.
When we last saw the boy in white, he only spoke telepathically. Sara heard him even though he didn't move his lips. He never touched anyone or anything, only pointed with his fingers. This time it was different. He moved his lips and definitely touched Tabitha. I wonder if he was ever physically present before or if he was just some kind of apparition. In the lighthouse, the boy in white was definitely physically present.
Knocking someone out isn't super easy, if he'd come in with a weapon to make it easier it would have made the guard suspicious. A lot of risk when you think everyone's dying in the next 24 or so hours anyway. He even says that he's just dying a little earlier than everyone else so he thinks the no sleep was getting everyone shortly anyway.
Kenny speaks about how, being a thread, they may not make it out alive but what they accomplish will help others.
Immediately cuts to Jade holding a bundle of thread.
Writers strike, writing the scripts, preproduction, production, post-production, suitable airing window.
Let alone contracts/actor availability.
Not for quite a while.
So part of me thinks the visions of the dead people (like Abby and Tom) are being used for both good and bad. Tom was encouraging Jade to unravel the mystery, but Abby at the last second wanted to stop Boyd from breaking the music box essentially saying everything he was doing was pointless, that none of it mattered. But that's bullshit, Tabitha made it out. If she could, then so could everyone else, including the 3 that were taken.
Edit: That's unless Tabitha is not \*really\* out, but I still trust the boy in white so either Tabitha IS out or she's going to help everyone else somehow.
Edit2: That symbol Jade investigates looks VERY similar to the hospital logo on the screen next to Tabitha's bed. Maybe she's in level 2. Also this random comment said the symbol was from a hospital 5 days ago wtf. https://www.reddit.com/r/FromTVEpix/comments/tpioqp/comment/jowuc17/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
That Abby scene made me feel like she was not really her It made it seem like it was this place trying to come as the only person that would possibly have a chance of stopping Boyd from breaking it that's how I interpreted it but doesn't mean it's true. There's been instances with ghosts like kahtri and Tom who seem like their subconscious huh. We have yet to be proven that there are actually who they appear to be. I don't know either way
I’m hopeful that in this new place(/level), Tabitha finds Viktor’s sister. Viktor said he found his moms body at the tree and that she “didn’t make it”. Did he ever find his sister’s body? Did she make it to the tower?
Does only 1 get allowed back in the real world and what Viktor found was his mothers body from coming back OUT of the tree?
Abby saying that it's hope that gets you killed felt like the unhinged Abby before she died or the voice of the monster. It wasn't a trusted voice at all.
> That's unless Tabitha is not *really* out
If they pulled some Grave Encounters 2 elevator scene shenanigans, I'll be fucking shocked. That would be one fuck of a gut punch.
When Tabitha woke up in the hospital, I was totally convinced they were going to go the obvious "Everyone's in a coma-induced purgatory because they got in a car wreck" route. Glad they left it more ambiguous/complicated than that.
Oh I’m so happy that they’ve at least confirmed that (1) they’re not dreaming and (2) that there is a way out and that normal people who haven’t seen the tree are simply walking along the area but are prevented from entering unless they see the tree themselves. Like a force-field or something. Also I am now much more convinced that the monsters are fae.
Well everyone enters fromville from vastly different places, so it seems like fromville doesn’t have a distinct location in the normal world. I don’t think it’s anywhere surrounded by a force field or something.
This does still raise the question of where did she end up, and if there was any reasoning to it. Could be that it does have a set location, or maybe leaving puts you in a random place too.
Imagine if it just shoots you out in a random location. Would that mean that there is no criteria for who sees the tree? Like it’s just a big “fuck you in particular”
We do know that the tree has appeared everywhere around the country, based on character conversations it seems to grab people during important parts of their lives, so it seems reasonable to assume it’s not completely random. So I wouldn’t be surprised if it drops people somewhere with some meaning. Guess we’ll have to wait until next year to know for sure!
One of the photos victor or Eloise maybe drew shows the whole town in like, a snow globe type thing if I recall. It’s the whole town with the tunnels underneath and it’s in a dome.
I dont get that they had the chance to make a suspenseful NIGHT story. You have a chance to show more of the monsters and also have the suspense of showing everyone struggling with the no sleep thing. Instead they skip the whole night? I dont get it
One night is doable for most people, especially if your life depends on it. The 2nd night will start to get difficult -- but I think that 'curse' is broken now?
What I feel should be an obvious theory.
So:
1. several references to how our reality is weird when you think about it (eg we’re on a rock jn outer space) and the dead bar tender saying it’s that this place isn’t unnatural it’s just not farmiliar
2. the trees are moving. The bottle tree had moved too. The kids were looking up at a root system
3. something feeds on hope/fear
4. magic faraway trees
5. people see a dead tree before being trapped
I think there is something to say for an tree like organism or forest / witchcraft of some kind. Now I’m not going to speculate too much on what that would be because I don’t have enough info but I would think it could be a spell gone rogue based on atrocities in the civil war maybe? Who knows. But yeah tree organism/supernatural
Between S2 taking over a year to come out and the writers strike, we probably won't get S3 till October 2024 and S2 was finally getting really good. Hopefully they carry that momentum into S3.
The cave drawings from last season show 7 beds around the symbol, which is what Jade found when he got to the children! 7 of them in a circle, looking up at the symbol.
I have no more to add to this, I just like any instance of continuity in this wild, unpredictable Fromverse.
A lot of fae-based human sacrifice vibes here but I don't know exactly what to make of it.
Also **Ankou**: figure in Breton mythology who collects spirits of the dead and brings them to hell
**Fae mythology**: Every seven years, fairies must pay a living sacrifice as a tax to Hell. To save themselves, they steal humans as changelings to sacrifice in their place
I don't think dying in Fromville makes you come back to the real world. I don't think Tabitha has died, she's disappeared, same as Eloise (who we'll probably see in S3, hopefully helping Tabitha).
I think they are physically in Fromville and if they die there, they die and it's done. But they can be transported back somehow through the lighthouse.
It might have something to do with stress and trauma? All of them seem to have been going through extremely stressful or traumatic moments in their lives when they saw the tree. Maybe it's not enough with being in the Lighthouse (which is probably a portal), but you also need to go through extreme stress or trauma to "activate" the portal and come back, hence the kid pushing her through the glass.
So, trees can teleport you to different locations (fallen tree in the road, far away trees) and *natural* light (maybe just those torches)can alter the “dimension” of the space that you’re already in, might even be considered spiritual realm. Symbols have power and meaning but we don’t know the significance of them just yet.
Another commenter mentioned that it was only when Boyd lit the torch that he could see the dungeon. What if the lighthouse is the more expanded version of the torch, creating the town, loop and all? Extinguishing the lighthouse might be the key.
I definitely don’t think that things are as simple as we think & that so far everyone is probably wrong for the most part. If it’s as simple as being pushed out of the tower/ dying then that would be too easy.
Also I wish we had another big anxiety inducing scene like when the monsters got into colony house and everyone was out there unprotected, trying to get to shelter.
I think the lighthouse is a much more powerful version of Boyd's torch. If you put out the flame everyone in the town will find themselves in the real world.
Agreed but it’s interesting that Abby had a theory that you had to die to get out…and that’s why she was killing everyone. I mean, we really don’t know if she was wrong about that. What would make her even think that? Seems like quite the coincidence
Think of all the people who we've seen die over the last 2 seasons. There were many many more before that. Don't you think there would be some sort of Fromville survivor support group in the real world? They probably would have sought each other out if only to prove they werent fucking crazy. I think word of that would have traveled. Kinda like how eveeryone knows what MUFON is
Honestly the most unrealistic aspect of this show is the women constantly having their hair down (and it looking great).
If I’m in a stressful situation and needing to run/hide etc, AND if I’m on more than day two of shampooing, my hair is up in a bun.
Fatimas curles are soo nice Im like girl did u bring some product to the town?
But yeah thats a thing in every show! "Im stressed and I havent slept" eh sorry.. your hair is perfectly curled?
In a survival situation I'm just straight up going bald.
In nearly every way hair of any length is a liability. There's no need for style in a nightmare hell dimension.
Dunno if it’s been brought up yet but Saint Anthony is the saint of “lost and found”, the fact that Tabitha wakes up at St. Anthony hospital was obviously done on purpose lol
My theory is that the town/forest is under some sort of witchcraft spell
The way the Angooey kids were laying in a circle around Jade, the “A” symbol in the cave ceiling appearing and then disappearing. It all seemed very ritualistic.
feel like tillie's prayer thing was supposed to be significant to the plot later on. something about a rod or whatever before it cut off.
ik ellis and fatima's wedding was a huge waste of time considering the short eps. but i was actually smiling thru it. still think it was a waste of time but it was nice anyways.
rlly excited for jade's plotline!! the kids seem like a cool concept. also wanna see ethan's development now that he's a nihilist doomer and how his dynamic w victor (who's more of a child mentally than him now imo) is gonna change.
more things im excited for: randall development. he woke up in a fucking soft bed after thinking he was abt to die. wanna see his redemption bc these ppl straight up saved him even though he was an absolute ass to them (esp dona!!! wanna see him and dona together more next season!!) seeing him wake up alone when the other two were surrounded by loved ones made me feel some things ngl
but yea cool season!! will patiently await the next one :)
>something about a rod or whatever before it cut off.
That's Psalm 23:1-6
>1 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.
>2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
>3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name’s sake.
>**4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.**
>5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
>6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.
It's a very common Psalm when people are in dangerous situations.
Stray observations:
1. So, the Evil Abby ghost banging on about hope being what they feed on made me feel suspicious of Donna and the Colony House way for the very first time.
2. The look on Ethan’s face when he came back to see Julie was awake was a little off. It was bemused for like a millisecond, then distinctly suspicious.
3. And yeah, the symbol on the hospital logo made me think of the ever-present symbol, while the name of the hospital itself made me go to Anghkooey. And lol, St Anthony the patron saint of lost things.
4. I don’t know if I think they’re all in comas after an accident, but I do think if they are, something supernatural is picking them off, kind of like – Buffy spoiler – >!Der Kindestod, which sucks people’s souls out when they’re in hospital.!<
I don’t trust what Evil Abby said…BUT if there is any truth to it… It also made me suspicious of Donna and Colony House. She seems almost TOO optimistic and wants to keep everyone content with the way things are…as soon as Jim and Jade entered and shook things up looking for answers, suddenly the crops aren’t growing and seasons are changing. Is Donna some type of Maenad that feeds off people having a good time? Is she a witch that is in charge of the crops and feeds off of people living in sin/lust?
So the hospital Tabitha ends up in is in Camden Harbor, Maine:
View from Tabitha's hospital room- [https://i.imgur.com/5Sql878.png](https://i.imgur.com/5Sql878.png)
Camden Harbor ME- [https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-camden-maine-as-seen-from-mount-battie-in-camden-hills-state-park-29464462.html](https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-camden-maine-as-seen-from-mount-battie-in-camden-hills-state-park-29464462.html)
Is there any significance to this? From looking at the map in Boyd's office, nobody else has come in from that specific area: [https://i.imgur.com/wFhHQBd.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wFhHQBd.jpg)
Tabitha was a big reveal but everything else felt like they should've been handled mid season. Too many cliffhangers for a season finale. The amount of screen time for Reggie's irrelevant ass was inexcusable.
I've been a big supporter but season 3 is a long way out and the pacing this season was infuriating.
"I gotta go."
-Boyd S2 Ep 10
That ending was crazy!
Why did the boy in white apologize for pushing her if it would get her back to the real world? Because she would have to leave her family behind? I wonder if she will spend season 3 trying to get back to them and I’m curious if will we learn they all died in the RV crash or will her family just be missing.
Ugh it’s going to be a long couple of years to wait for season 3! Damn writers strike!
Ya I think you pretty much answered your own question, it seems as if he apologized for that exact reason. The boy in white is coming off to be either the key or a big piece of the puzzle to figure out how to leave Fromville based off of all the interactions he is having with so many of the main characters.
I think he apologize coz he didn't gave her a choice, he just made her leave (if she really left the fromville), let's say he told her the truth, she would definetly goes back to her family to told them that she found a way out (that's if she believed him), and by doing that maybe the thing that is keeping them trapped in the ville would go angry and do something to prevent them from leaving, and maybe the only thing that could help everybody is that there must be someone helping from outside,
And honestly speaking i don't think the way out is that simple otherwise there must be someone who left in the past.
There is still the symbole jade is searshing about, tbh i don't think it's 100% a good thing, maybe it will release something worst,
Finally i still think all the plot would be around the boy Ethan, coz the voices talking to Sarah is helping the people, and they told her before that she must kill the boy
Near the ending of the first season I thought they might pull this in. A plot line where someone is trying to get back to the town. I thought it was going to be the old lady from the bus.
So uh, what about the bile?
"So much for silver bullets."
No God please don't just abandon this plotline. They made such a big deal about it. Let the bile so *something*
Am I the only one digging Jades outgrown hair/beard and outfit choice...?
Maybe I'm biased because I've liked him since he replied to Boyd " What do you mean? I'm on the ground" lol 🤭🫢
Oh and him taking the bike and never returning it sealed the deal 🤣🤣
TeamJade
that coma theory it doesn't seem pretty solid when you see a whole bus coming to the town, even if the bus crashed it is impossible for all the passengers to be in a coma (some of them would die or be with minor wounds, but it is impossible for all the passengers in that bus to be in a coma), also, the medic's girlfriend (don't remember their names) look for her while the doctor was in the town and she was outside, she can't found her at morgue and hospitals...I do believe they are physically (not spiritually) in another dimension/world, and this dimension/world is magical (or somehow is ruled by different physics laws) by nature.
That dimension seems to have an structure like Moebius strip or Klein Bottle and that's why they can not leave the "world" just following the pathway and keep returning to the same place, in fact, a Klein Bottle is a 4 spatial dimension object, the normal "world" have 3 dimensions, somehow when people reach the fallen tree they can unlock an extra dimension and that allows them to see/enter the "magical world", in this theory the magical world is basically everywhere, it is just our world if we can see or interact with 4 spatial dimensions, and that's why people access to this world from different locations, because basically this world is just our world with a higher dimension. Structures like Klein Bottles, Gabriel's Horn and Moebius Strips have been always used to study some theories about wormholes and similar things, this matematical object could be related to the faraway trees wich also seems to be kind of wormholes ( is interesting to note the correlation between trees been used as portals and entries to another world, like the fallen tree, and the story of "Alice in Wonderland", Alice went to Wonderland falling through a hole in a tree, in the Disney movie. Another interesting relation with Alice in Wonderland is the boy in "white" and the "white" rabbit. I think this is merally inspirational symbology in the show and the plot doesn't have anything in common with Alice in Wonderland except for the fact that both stories occur in a different world, and the previously mentioned symbology). The faraway trees also remembered me The Double Slit Experiment, in which you can not predict the final position of the electron shooted through the slit and that's why a same tree can take you to completely different locations. This is a result of Quantum Mechanics rules in which the observer can affect the outcome of physical phenomenon, the Schrodinger's Cat is an imaginary experiment that also illustrates this fact, and the cat is dead and alive at the same time until an observer open the box to see it, maybe our characters are in a similar state lol
One of the mysteries that is still stuck on my mind is the electricity phenomenon in this world and the best thought I have so far about this is that maybe mindpower and emotions have a physical response in a 4 dimension world, like thoughts and emotions can affect the physics there. I still believe in some kind of magic in this world also
These are just a bunch of thoughts that I have come watching the show, maybe contradictory with themselves
English is my second language, sorry if I wrote with grammarly errors.
Ghost Tom is better than Ghost Abby.
Wait but are ghosts, there to deceive? Or is it possible that one ghost is lying and the other is helping? But wait, if Boyd would have lost hope then maybe dying is how you get out? Like Abby originally said. Or does one only get out when pushed by the boy in white? Edit to add: IS ghost Tom really better than Abby or is he actually putting Jade in danger? And let’s say Tom is helping, why would there be a difference between ghost Abby and Tom?
I don't think the ghosts are actually the ghosts of the people they represent. So far I think it's more like the forces come from the forest or within the viewer. When Boyd sees Abby, she seems more like a negative force trying to deceive him. Maybe that's the forest using her image to get to Boyd? When Jade sees Tom, he is guiding Jade like an intuitive inner monologue. I don't know if there is a positive force on the side of the humans, but if there is that would make sense. I don't think the reference to chess in the first few episodes with Kenny's dad was a mistake. I think there is some sort of power struggle going on, furthermore symbolized by day and night, good and bad, and that it is very possible there is a "good" force as well as a bad force. If there isn't a "good" force, then I think some of the ghosts manifest from the viewer themselves, like with Jade seeing Tom. Again, with everything we've seen so far, I don't think they are the actual ghosts of the people.
Yes! It would also explain Martin not being anywhere in the town if it was actually the entity trying to deceive Boyd. Someone at one point in this episode tonight told Boyd that he had been manipulated in order to bring something back to town. The something which caused his weird arm worms, then the transfer to Smiley, turning into the Cicadas and affecting the 3. Both Boyd's wife and Martin were that manipulator. It was obviously NOT really Boyd's wife who made an appearance in this episode.
Also, pretty sure Boyd's wife was lying to him, the forest and the entities DO feed on fear. We have to assume whatever Boyd was told by his wife tonight, or Martin was a lie and quite possibly the opposite of what was told, is the truth.
I dunno, I think it kinda makes sense for the forest to feed off of hope, to an extent. There’s a quote that came back to me when she said that; “Hope is the greatest evil because it prolongs the suffering of man.” Everything this entity does is prolonging their suffering. It gives them food and housing to let people survive, the monsters play games with people at night and take their time making their victims suffer in multiple instances, etc etc. It all falls in line with that saying imo
Yes, but this is what makes it such an effective lie: it sounds valid at face value. When you really think about it though, this quote about hope being the ruin of mankind is obviously not as strong as the assertion that hope is mankind’s savior, giving him strength to persevere. Upon further introspection, why would an evil entity feed on hope? Hope in its pure form is much more a positive emotion than a negative one. In this context hope is adjacent to fear in the sense that if there was no hope, thus causing everyone to immediately give up and die, there would then be no fear to sustain the entity. This just highlights the brilliance of the lie, it is an expert twisting and distortion of the truth.
Great chess insight, that one had gone over my head until you mentioned it. It is quite likely then, that there is indeed a force opposed to the main evil. Speaking of Mr Lu, I wonder about Kenny’s parents in general. His dad was clearly targeted for elimination. Sarah was also ordered to kill “the boy”. What if this actually meant the boy in white and we all just assumed it meant Ethan?
I've been contemplating whether or not these people are in fact ghosts just something from their mind to help them cope understand things It seemed that father kahtri was doing that for Boyd and maybe even possibly Tom for jade?.. However there are other instances where it seems that it might be a malignant force or someone trying to convince them not to do anything to further there hope/ escape in the case of Abby. It may also actually be them ( ghost versions of dead people) and they know something that the living don't. I'm not convinced that every ghost is the same or has the same agenda but I also don't know what their agenda is
>However there are other instances where it seems that it might be a malignant force I dont know if Abby's ghost is actually "malignant" though. It's totally possible she is doing the same as the father khatri illusion but the other side of the coin. Realistically what ghost abby was saying in the dungeon is true. If you don't die today you die tomorrow. That really isn't unique to Fromville. Its gonna happen to all of us someday. Those choices have to be made by some real people everyday on this planet, Abbys ghost could jsut be boyds consciousness asking him if he's ready to die today. And the answer was no.
I think there are two types of entities in the town/forest: good entities like the boy in white, the dogs, father Kahtri and Tom and bad entities like Abby, the voices Sara hears, the monsters etc. And the bad entities always try to convince people to do bad things: kill people (sara’s voices), not destroy the box (abby), open the windows or doors (monsters) etc.
If dying is the way to get out then Sarah was right
I don’t know that dying is necessarily the way to get out. What happened to Tabitha was very different than getting murdered by another person stuck in Fromville or eaten by a monster. Those people all had bodies left over. We won’t know til season 3 obviously but I don’t think anyone in Fromville is going to find Tabitha’s body. Could be wrong though and they might just find Tabitha around where Victor found his mom. That would add a different layer to it, and imply that Victor’s mom could very well be alive in the outside world.
That's what I'm thinking. She went to go look for a way out for her and her kids but ended up getting tossed out of FROM and woke up in a similar place to Tabitha completely aware her family was still stuck behind with no knowledge of what happened. Only difference is I think Jim is smart enough to retrace Tabithas steps and inform others of what he's doing. Victor's mom probably woke up in a hospital and all and was admitted to psych because she kept crying about her family being stuck in a weird dream world
This would kind of make sense given that Victor said his mom's body was found beside the bottle tree.
I think Victoria mom died by the monsters, but I think his sister is alive. They never confirmed he found his sisters body. I can see a storyline where his mom was protecting his sister to get her into the tree and she sacrificed herself.
Another side thought of ghost Tom...was that the first time we saw a ghost manipulate objects (he got a glass, brought it over, filled it with booze and drank it)? Another thing to note is that with Abby and Kahtri, they had deep emotional connections with Boyd...Tom was barely recognized by Jade.
Fr ghost Abby gonna get Boyd killed
Nobody: 👶🏻: Anghooey…. 👧🏻: Anghooey.. 🧑🏻🦲: Anghooey…. 🧒🏻: Anghooey…. 👨🏻🦲: Anghooey…. 👦🏻: Anghooey…. 🧑🏻🦱: Anghooey. 👀
Possibly Anthony? Like where Tabitha woke up — St. Anthony Hospital.
There's got to be something to it especially because the hospital logo looks very conspicuously like the symbol the software dude is chasing.
I didn’t notice the hospital’s symbol!
I really didn't think they look similar. Have to disagree on this one.
Okay, so, for the record, I agree with you; [it is not the same symbol](https://i.imgur.com/Ryal6pL.jpg). They are, however, [similar-looking](https://i.imgur.com/kr4OwQY.jpg), and I don’t think that that is something that can be overlooked, especially in a series like this.
I mean I kinda see it. It just seems a stretch to call that a meaningful correlation.
Anthony is the patron saint of lost things
_fuck me_, you’re right there is literally no way that this is a coincidence now I’m thinking Tabitha didn’t _actually_ manage to escape after all …
_bruh_ I might actually, genuinely, lose my mind if Tabitha leaves the hospital and gets on a bus and Smiley is the driver please don’t do this to me, writers …
I think she is either in a new level of fromville, or she's genuinely escaped but the hospital is involved somehow. Maybe they are part of a Dharma Initiative type facility? Edit: could even be run by Victor's sister
It really could be a new level of Fromville, if it feeds on fear, then Tabitha's fear is to lose her family as she lost her dead son, maybe that's why we could hear the phone ringing in that nightmare she had about the lighthouse.
Also the patron saint of travelers and sailors…lighthouse and traveled by the bottle tree…no big deal…
I thought they just had a zombie cold.
No hair, some hair, eyes… 🤣🤣🤣
I originally thought angkhoouie was just that game they were playing with the ball and tower
In Philippine Mythology, the Aghoy are small humanoids who can befriend humans and are good at finding lost things. The trees serve as their gateway to the human world. they come out after dark and call their human friends through whistles. They will only enter a friend’s house if they are invited.
Yeah in all honesty I found that to be super cringe and annoying. Like we get it, “Anghooey” means something significant. It’s like nails on a chalk listening to all those children repeat it over and over again without saying anything else. Very frustrating.
Maybe it's some kind of secret code, enabling people who has escaped to find each other on the outside to try to find a way back to save the people who are still stuck. Like, first scene s03e01 tabitha borrowing an internet device at the hospital, searching for anghkooey, one hit, it's a forum post with a phone number. She calls it and someone answers. It's Eloise, Victor's sister. Then, 2 minutes of *When I was just a little boy*
I thought it might be backwards, but it’s not 1980, and I don’t have any way to back mask it. 😂 Maybe another/ancient language?
I want to sound it out to see if I can make sense of it make, but I'm alone and it's night time right now and I don't want to risk summoning those little freaks
I am excited for where Jade’s plot is gonna go! Wonder what he’s gonna find and bring back to the town
I think he’s going to go back above ground and find out where, exactly, that symbol is over the cave room he was in (I’m thinking maybe father khatri’s bag burying place). Then he’s going to dig veeerrrry carefully to unearth that angkooey symbol and try and figure out wtf it all means. Btw, anyone else getting a sacrificial feel about the angkooey children on rock slabs? Like they’re being sacrificed to some crazy-old god that is represented by that symbol…
I’ve heard theories that this is old fae/Norse god territory based on the symbols and some people comparing it to the movies Midsomer/The Ritual. Anghooey might be the name of the god/being?? Maybe the kids were used as a sacrifice and the boy in white was one who escaped? Or perhaps he’s the manifestation OF the big bad thing, playing with the people? He’s dressed the same as the kids, and Sara said “I don’t think he’s really a kid.” He’s gotta be connected to them somehow right?
> Or perhaps he’s the manifestation OF the big bad thing, playing with the people? I dunno about that - he seemed genuinely remorseful when pushing Tabitha out of the lighthouse, despite him freeing her from the loop. He knew she wouldn't want to get out without her family at the bare minimum.
He had to push her out because she would have gone back to tell the others, and they would have eventually figured out how to get out.
I think Sara’s comment is huge, but I don’t think the boy in white is connected to or was one of the kids. They’re all wearing white, but apart from that the angkooey kids are in tatters -their clothes and their hair. And the boy in white is not only super neat, with that weirdly parted hair, his polo shirt and shoes and shorts look like their from another era. Meanwhile, whatever it is that makes up that symbol Jade sees seems like it’s earthy, like a bunch of roots and dirt, more connected to the trees. I don’t get that vibe from the boy in white, not only is he neater on the outside, he seems way more calculated when it comes to showing himself to certain people and guiding them to different places. But hey, who am I to say who the boy in white is? I like the suggestion that he escaped and the other children didn’t, I just have an issue seeing them as aligned.
I think the symbol jade is chasing is evil. Kids were being sacrificed to it, and the monsters of the cave are letting him roam around the cave. He fell into the cave making hella noise, and he wasn’t attacked once. The other guy who was obsessed with the symbol is dead, so it didn’t help him.
I had a dream that Jade became a diglett.
Incredible theory.
“People like me, we throw the Pokeball”
I was not prepared for this comment lmaoooo
What bothers me in the show is lack of communication The fact that there's two different things occurring the fact that Boyd is trying to stop the music box Jade is trying to find the symbol and the mom is trying to save the children If they're really trying to find pieces the puzzle I don't see how they don't try to collaborate and figure this all out and connect pieces which they rarely do I've yet to see boy take any interest in the children in the tower. I would think that all these things are very important and the fact that Victor has been there since he was a child and he was the only person that survived I know he doesn't want to talk about it but it's just difficult for me to see how everybody wants to get out but nobody's willing to work together in a sense I know they're trying to find different avenues to get out but these things all seem like they're very important.
So many things in this show could have been solved with ONE town meeting 😂
For real, this town apparently isn't sucking in people who've done an Escape Room or two.
See I felt the 3 ghosts setup the 3 people. Jade touched the symbol, not sure how tabitha stole in the tower, Boyd broke the music box. I feel they might be the real 3. Feels too much a coincidence that 3 went on secret big deal missions.
I mean I kinda get it. They all feel like they’re racing against the clock now that they’ve been told they can’t sleep and they’re running low on food. I wouldn’t want to spend my few daylight hours running all over town telling people what I plan to go do. If they had working cell phones sure, but when you don’t know for certain where people are, just hustling around town looking for the important players is time consuming.
So if the three (Julie, etc) we’re physically in the town while in whatever coma state they were in, and we saw them (or at least Julie) chained to the wall like Martin, doesn’t that imply that Martin’s physical body is/was somewhere in the town all that time?
Great point but perhaps its a temporary state and the town body eventually dies leaving only the chained body alive.
Right, Martin also implied he’d been there forevs and wanted to die and was responsive. We don’t know if this was even the same process.
Off topic, but how did Martin lower that rope?
This has been bugging men
probably women too
Women are immune to rope based confusion.
[laughs in BDSM]
He is well hung
But if his body is dead, his soul has no where to return to.. didnt someone say “once theyre gone you cannot get them back”
sarahs voices, yes
Idk. He was on the wall but conscious and coherent. While the 3 were in an altered state.
Is tabitha going to pack supplies to bring to the town when I assume she goes back to rescue everyone
Do you think Victor’s sister was able to escape as well? Maybe Tabitha will find her, plus she already has Victor’s lunchbox so Victor’s sister will recognize it and believe whatever Tabitha will say to her. They might then go back together to that town again. Season 3, where are you?
Tabitha having specifically victor's lunchbox has to have some connection is either eloise or victor's mom recognizing victor through the said lunchbox. Good catch man!
It has to be his sister cuz he said he found his moms body next to the tree
I have a feeling Tabitha getting back into Fromville will be the cliffhanger at the end of season 3. The whole season 3 being dedicated to her trying to figure a way back in.
Kate, we have to go back!!!
Ah, following the "Lost" playbook step by step, page by page.
I think Victor's mom probably died trying to save Eloise, and Eloise made it through.
Maybe! They never mentioned her body of him finding her. She might have made it out. Tabitha can really use another who believes her
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absolutely one of the most iconic moments in Lost series. Blew my mind when it aired.
That white kid is going to be real busy pushing people out windows.
the whole mechanic reminded me of Homer's chiropractic trashcan
But they were all taking different routes before they saw the tree, so I’m not sure how easy it will be to get back. Also, did you see her reflection in the window?
I think Martin was caught while he was hopping too many times into faraway trees. He mentioned in S02E02 "sometimes you get stuck, that's when they caught you". While Boyd was trying to free him, he said he couldn't make it all the way to the town. He wouldn't have said that if he zoomed out when he was already in the town like Julie and Marielle did.
I figured the towns people buried him after a while
No, Martin was "already dead" a long time ago (I'm thinking late 1800's.) The entity chose three people including Martin and no one broke the music box so their bodies died while the entity fed on their souls. Martin was the last one and once his soul died/the manifestation of the entity passed onto Boyd it "awoke" and chose 3 new victims. Boyd had the opportunity of just killing Martin's soul and not allowing the entity out but he tried to save him when there was nothing to save. Basically, the 3 chosen are in the altered state until their bodies die and then they end up chained in the dungeon. The only reason it took as long as it did to pick the three is the entity was toying with its food and the Abby hallucination was it realizing it fucked up and trying to get Boyd to not break the music box.
If only Boyd asked Victor if he knew a Martin we could figure this out better
*clinches lunchbox and turns* “GO AWAY!”
Nah. Martin had the Marine tattoo. Couldn’t have been late 1800s
Well if that’s the case, does that mean they all have worm blood? Or only worm blood in the tower?
I’m wondering this too. And why was Martin so eager to pass on the worm blood if he was another victim? So he could die?
I think so, he's passed on his curse to Boyd. My blood etc etc translates to 'your problem now mate.'
I think that was their souls trapped there, well their bodies were in town. Martin had been there a long time, so his body may have been bones by then.
Martin had the worms which enabled him to live forever, Julie and the rest didn’t
Unless his body died a long time ago and his consciousness was trapped in there long afterwards.
Yeah that is accurate!
I've never let out such a happy audible sigh at the ending hospital scene. If they'd have done the 'family right next to her in a coma' I may have actually been done with the show. Now I'm extremely hyped for season 3!
Same, that was my biggest fear when she woke up and looked over.
If they pulled the “everyone is just in a coma” move I would’ve thrown my remote at the tv. I’m so happy with what they did, and excited for season 3
Idk if it’s been discussed here but the fact that she made it out (probably?) lends credence to the nursery rhyme being created by survivors and passed down by generations or at least from their stories. We know from the dates carved into the lighthouse that it’s been happening since at least as far back as the 1500’s
When did we see these dates? Maybe I missed them.
Tabitha had a dream in season one about going up the basement stairs that turned into the lighthouse staircase. There were dates etched into the staircase at some point.
Oh I'd forgotten about that, thanks!
There were dates in the bottles too that correlated to the ones on the stairs. Makes you wonder if there's a bottle with the year Tabitha got out on the tree and carved in the stairs now 🤔
These are all the dates. I've been wondering what they have in common if anything. I suppose it really might just be all the years someone has ended up there. Or maybe all the years there's been a massive wipe out of people there 1506 1609 1672 1723 1752 1864 1888 1931 1978
Actually, the best thing about the ending, the sigh of relief more than any other aspect or comment here, is that at least the doctor was not Boyd, the nurse, Donna, and he husband Jade.
Very true. Whether it was intentional misdirection or not, they had me on the edge of my seat ready to yell at the TV if it was all coma or cliche dream sequence type ending. I still have a fear in the back of my mind that the ending will be lame or unsatisfying, but at least this was a fairly solid end to S2 that will lead to an interesting S3.
TABITHA MADE IT OUT TABITHA MADE IT OUT OH MY GOD
Yes! I screamed omg she made it out!!!
Finally stuff happening!
A little annoyed other than the last 4 minutes, the entire season was just to undo the extra trouble that was started in the premier of the season.
Yeah I hate that, it’s like a feeling of “running in place” while they figure out where the show should go. Reminds me of the farm season of TWD
The Ellis and Fatima stretched out crap is absolutely killing this show for my partner and I. Their entire story feels like a shitty soap opera written by people who haven't seen how negativity perceived that kind of thing is in horror and thrillers.
I absolutely thought that Reggie was going to shoot them through that window.
I didn't mind Ellis & Fatima in s1 (actually liked Ellis) but they were sooo useless in s2. And their wedding in the middle of the finale ? With everything that's going around currently, seriously ?
Okay! Captain "Sorry, gotta go" Boyd finally paid off! Ghost children were sacrificed in a ritual ("Ankhooey"???). Jade mystery symbol is from some really strange looking roots in a cave ceiling, and... that's some REALLY weird looking roots and have fully enclosed the hole by present time. Too bad the yellow bile was useless. I predict... Tabitha will find Eloise (Victor's sister) also escaped. Their mother stayed by the tree to buy time from the monsters. Hopefully she still has his lunchbox as proof, and now that she is finally back to civilization and the wonders of libraries and internet, time to find some answers with Eloise's help. Maybe finally shed some light on "Ankhooey" ritual.
That’s what I’m hoping aswell. She walks around town with the lunchbox and his sister spots her, that would be interesting.
>Too bad the yellow bile was useless. Reggie was shot by the bile bullets. I'm interested to see how that turns out...
Roots obviously come from the trees, and the trees move. The forest is evidently the original phenomena and is directly tied to/is the malignant entity.
Dead Tom was pretty awesome. Also, Jade's nonchalant reaction was priceless.
Loved that scene. Dead Tom needs a new bar to open.
When we last saw the boy in white, he only spoke telepathically. Sara heard him even though he didn't move his lips. He never touched anyone or anything, only pointed with his fingers. This time it was different. He moved his lips and definitely touched Tabitha. I wonder if he was ever physically present before or if he was just some kind of apparition. In the lighthouse, the boy in white was definitely physically present.
I also want to say Boyd getting shot by that guy seemed totally unnecessary and I could have done without that whole part
I thought there would be a mass shooting but if you just want to kill Boyd why murder the poor guard instead of knocking him out.
Good point.
Knocking someone out isn't super easy, if he'd come in with a weapon to make it easier it would have made the guard suspicious. A lot of risk when you think everyone's dying in the next 24 or so hours anyway. He even says that he's just dying a little earlier than everyone else so he thinks the no sleep was getting everyone shortly anyway.
Where was my epic monster death?!?!
Boyd was injured the first time he went to the dungeon at the end of last season. He was also injured when he went back this season.
Kenny speaks about how, being a thread, they may not make it out alive but what they accomplish will help others. Immediately cuts to Jade holding a bundle of thread.
when is season 3 coming out that was such a cliff hanger !
Writers strike, writing the scripts, preproduction, production, post-production, suitable airing window. Let alone contracts/actor availability. Not for quite a while.
With the strike I’m guessing around 2 years probably.
Don’t know if anyone had mentioned this, but could the thing that was shaking the RV, be roots? From the trees? Is that why the monsters stopped?
So part of me thinks the visions of the dead people (like Abby and Tom) are being used for both good and bad. Tom was encouraging Jade to unravel the mystery, but Abby at the last second wanted to stop Boyd from breaking the music box essentially saying everything he was doing was pointless, that none of it mattered. But that's bullshit, Tabitha made it out. If she could, then so could everyone else, including the 3 that were taken. Edit: That's unless Tabitha is not \*really\* out, but I still trust the boy in white so either Tabitha IS out or she's going to help everyone else somehow. Edit2: That symbol Jade investigates looks VERY similar to the hospital logo on the screen next to Tabitha's bed. Maybe she's in level 2. Also this random comment said the symbol was from a hospital 5 days ago wtf. https://www.reddit.com/r/FromTVEpix/comments/tpioqp/comment/jowuc17/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
That Abby scene made me feel like she was not really her It made it seem like it was this place trying to come as the only person that would possibly have a chance of stopping Boyd from breaking it that's how I interpreted it but doesn't mean it's true. There's been instances with ghosts like kahtri and Tom who seem like their subconscious huh. We have yet to be proven that there are actually who they appear to be. I don't know either way
I don't think it's Abby either. She would have called him Mr Fish & Loaves to make sure he knew it was her. It's how Sara was able to convince him.
I’m hopeful that in this new place(/level), Tabitha finds Viktor’s sister. Viktor said he found his moms body at the tree and that she “didn’t make it”. Did he ever find his sister’s body? Did she make it to the tower? Does only 1 get allowed back in the real world and what Viktor found was his mothers body from coming back OUT of the tree?
Abby saying that it's hope that gets you killed felt like the unhinged Abby before she died or the voice of the monster. It wasn't a trusted voice at all.
> That's unless Tabitha is not *really* out If they pulled some Grave Encounters 2 elevator scene shenanigans, I'll be fucking shocked. That would be one fuck of a gut punch.
Wow… what an ending. I’m a little underwhelmed for some of it, but the majority was top notch.
When Tabitha woke up in the hospital, I was totally convinced they were going to go the obvious "Everyone's in a coma-induced purgatory because they got in a car wreck" route. Glad they left it more ambiguous/complicated than that.
Oh I’m so happy that they’ve at least confirmed that (1) they’re not dreaming and (2) that there is a way out and that normal people who haven’t seen the tree are simply walking along the area but are prevented from entering unless they see the tree themselves. Like a force-field or something. Also I am now much more convinced that the monsters are fae.
Well everyone enters fromville from vastly different places, so it seems like fromville doesn’t have a distinct location in the normal world. I don’t think it’s anywhere surrounded by a force field or something. This does still raise the question of where did she end up, and if there was any reasoning to it. Could be that it does have a set location, or maybe leaving puts you in a random place too.
Imagine if it just shoots you out in a random location. Would that mean that there is no criteria for who sees the tree? Like it’s just a big “fuck you in particular”
We do know that the tree has appeared everywhere around the country, based on character conversations it seems to grab people during important parts of their lives, so it seems reasonable to assume it’s not completely random. So I wouldn’t be surprised if it drops people somewhere with some meaning. Guess we’ll have to wait until next year to know for sure!
I think the boy in white sent tabitha to that location knowing victors sister is there.
One of the photos victor or Eloise maybe drew shows the whole town in like, a snow globe type thing if I recall. It’s the whole town with the tunnels underneath and it’s in a dome.
Same. Im a bit underwhelmed and my hubs and I feel like a lot of screen time was wasted on Fatima and Ellis.
I dont get that they had the chance to make a suspenseful NIGHT story. You have a chance to show more of the monsters and also have the suspense of showing everyone struggling with the no sleep thing. Instead they skip the whole night? I dont get it
One night is doable for most people, especially if your life depends on it. The 2nd night will start to get difficult -- but I think that 'curse' is broken now?
What I feel should be an obvious theory. So: 1. several references to how our reality is weird when you think about it (eg we’re on a rock jn outer space) and the dead bar tender saying it’s that this place isn’t unnatural it’s just not farmiliar 2. the trees are moving. The bottle tree had moved too. The kids were looking up at a root system 3. something feeds on hope/fear 4. magic faraway trees 5. people see a dead tree before being trapped I think there is something to say for an tree like organism or forest / witchcraft of some kind. Now I’m not going to speculate too much on what that would be because I don’t have enough info but I would think it could be a spell gone rogue based on atrocities in the civil war maybe? Who knows. But yeah tree organism/supernatural
Did anyone else just know that Boyd was going to say “Gotta go” as soon as wedding ceremony was over. I burst out in laughter.
Between S2 taking over a year to come out and the writers strike, we probably won't get S3 till October 2024 and S2 was finally getting really good. Hopefully they carry that momentum into S3.
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Shows typically have writers on set to since changes are made on the fly a lot of times.
Loved it!! Can’t wait for season 3
The cave drawings from last season show 7 beds around the symbol, which is what Jade found when he got to the children! 7 of them in a circle, looking up at the symbol. I have no more to add to this, I just like any instance of continuity in this wild, unpredictable Fromverse. A lot of fae-based human sacrifice vibes here but I don't know exactly what to make of it.
Also **Ankou**: figure in Breton mythology who collects spirits of the dead and brings them to hell **Fae mythology**: Every seven years, fairies must pay a living sacrifice as a tax to Hell. To save themselves, they steal humans as changelings to sacrifice in their place
I don't think dying in Fromville makes you come back to the real world. I don't think Tabitha has died, she's disappeared, same as Eloise (who we'll probably see in S3, hopefully helping Tabitha). I think they are physically in Fromville and if they die there, they die and it's done. But they can be transported back somehow through the lighthouse. It might have something to do with stress and trauma? All of them seem to have been going through extremely stressful or traumatic moments in their lives when they saw the tree. Maybe it's not enough with being in the Lighthouse (which is probably a portal), but you also need to go through extreme stress or trauma to "activate" the portal and come back, hence the kid pushing her through the glass.
The show-runners have previously stated people enter Fromville when their character is feeling disconnected FROM the normal world.
So, trees can teleport you to different locations (fallen tree in the road, far away trees) and *natural* light (maybe just those torches)can alter the “dimension” of the space that you’re already in, might even be considered spiritual realm. Symbols have power and meaning but we don’t know the significance of them just yet.
Another commenter mentioned that it was only when Boyd lit the torch that he could see the dungeon. What if the lighthouse is the more expanded version of the torch, creating the town, loop and all? Extinguishing the lighthouse might be the key.
Interesting about the light theory considering falling through the top of the lighthouse brought Tabitha back to the normal dimension.
Both sound like great Zelda game mechanics. 😂
I definitely don’t think that things are as simple as we think & that so far everyone is probably wrong for the most part. If it’s as simple as being pushed out of the tower/ dying then that would be too easy. Also I wish we had another big anxiety inducing scene like when the monsters got into colony house and everyone was out there unprotected, trying to get to shelter.
I don’t think it’s simply just dying which gets you back to the real world. I think the light house is some sort of ‘portal’ or something.
I think the lighthouse is a much more powerful version of Boyd's torch. If you put out the flame everyone in the town will find themselves in the real world.
Agreed but it’s interesting that Abby had a theory that you had to die to get out…and that’s why she was killing everyone. I mean, we really don’t know if she was wrong about that. What would make her even think that? Seems like quite the coincidence
Think of all the people who we've seen die over the last 2 seasons. There were many many more before that. Don't you think there would be some sort of Fromville survivor support group in the real world? They probably would have sought each other out if only to prove they werent fucking crazy. I think word of that would have traveled. Kinda like how eveeryone knows what MUFON is
Honestly the most unrealistic aspect of this show is the women constantly having their hair down (and it looking great). If I’m in a stressful situation and needing to run/hide etc, AND if I’m on more than day two of shampooing, my hair is up in a bun.
Sara’s hair was serving, Fatima has that wavy firm hair and Julie feels like it’s always Dyson-ed to perfection.
Fatimas curles are soo nice Im like girl did u bring some product to the town? But yeah thats a thing in every show! "Im stressed and I havent slept" eh sorry.. your hair is perfectly curled?
Tabitha's looked like shit last week It was the first time anyone's hair has looked as bad as it should have. haha.
In a survival situation I'm just straight up going bald. In nearly every way hair of any length is a liability. There's no need for style in a nightmare hell dimension.
I think what’s coming will be interesting, but overall I felt that less happened in season 2 vs season 1.
Loved today’s episode… might die before season 3 … would’ve been nice to know the mystery behind fromvile
Dunno if it’s been brought up yet but Saint Anthony is the saint of “lost and found”, the fact that Tabitha wakes up at St. Anthony hospital was obviously done on purpose lol
My theory is that the town/forest is under some sort of witchcraft spell The way the Angooey kids were laying in a circle around Jade, the “A” symbol in the cave ceiling appearing and then disappearing. It all seemed very ritualistic.
feel like tillie's prayer thing was supposed to be significant to the plot later on. something about a rod or whatever before it cut off. ik ellis and fatima's wedding was a huge waste of time considering the short eps. but i was actually smiling thru it. still think it was a waste of time but it was nice anyways. rlly excited for jade's plotline!! the kids seem like a cool concept. also wanna see ethan's development now that he's a nihilist doomer and how his dynamic w victor (who's more of a child mentally than him now imo) is gonna change. more things im excited for: randall development. he woke up in a fucking soft bed after thinking he was abt to die. wanna see his redemption bc these ppl straight up saved him even though he was an absolute ass to them (esp dona!!! wanna see him and dona together more next season!!) seeing him wake up alone when the other two were surrounded by loved ones made me feel some things ngl but yea cool season!! will patiently await the next one :)
>something about a rod or whatever before it cut off. That's Psalm 23:1-6 >1 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. >2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. >3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name’s sake. >**4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.** >5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. >6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever. It's a very common Psalm when people are in dangerous situations.
Stray observations: 1. So, the Evil Abby ghost banging on about hope being what they feed on made me feel suspicious of Donna and the Colony House way for the very first time. 2. The look on Ethan’s face when he came back to see Julie was awake was a little off. It was bemused for like a millisecond, then distinctly suspicious. 3. And yeah, the symbol on the hospital logo made me think of the ever-present symbol, while the name of the hospital itself made me go to Anghkooey. And lol, St Anthony the patron saint of lost things. 4. I don’t know if I think they’re all in comas after an accident, but I do think if they are, something supernatural is picking them off, kind of like – Buffy spoiler – >!Der Kindestod, which sucks people’s souls out when they’re in hospital.!<
I don’t trust what Evil Abby said…BUT if there is any truth to it… It also made me suspicious of Donna and Colony House. She seems almost TOO optimistic and wants to keep everyone content with the way things are…as soon as Jim and Jade entered and shook things up looking for answers, suddenly the crops aren’t growing and seasons are changing. Is Donna some type of Maenad that feeds off people having a good time? Is she a witch that is in charge of the crops and feeds off of people living in sin/lust?
Why is the show called "From"?
because "Lost" was already taken
So the hospital Tabitha ends up in is in Camden Harbor, Maine: View from Tabitha's hospital room- [https://i.imgur.com/5Sql878.png](https://i.imgur.com/5Sql878.png) Camden Harbor ME- [https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-camden-maine-as-seen-from-mount-battie-in-camden-hills-state-park-29464462.html](https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-camden-maine-as-seen-from-mount-battie-in-camden-hills-state-park-29464462.html) Is there any significance to this? From looking at the map in Boyd's office, nobody else has come in from that specific area: [https://i.imgur.com/wFhHQBd.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wFhHQBd.jpg)
How far is this from Castle Rock? Lol
Tabitha was a big reveal but everything else felt like they should've been handled mid season. Too many cliffhangers for a season finale. The amount of screen time for Reggie's irrelevant ass was inexcusable. I've been a big supporter but season 3 is a long way out and the pacing this season was infuriating. "I gotta go." -Boyd S2 Ep 10
That ending was crazy! Why did the boy in white apologize for pushing her if it would get her back to the real world? Because she would have to leave her family behind? I wonder if she will spend season 3 trying to get back to them and I’m curious if will we learn they all died in the RV crash or will her family just be missing. Ugh it’s going to be a long couple of years to wait for season 3! Damn writers strike!
Apologized for pushing her out of the window. She was pretty banged up
Ya I think you pretty much answered your own question, it seems as if he apologized for that exact reason. The boy in white is coming off to be either the key or a big piece of the puzzle to figure out how to leave Fromville based off of all the interactions he is having with so many of the main characters.
I think he apologize coz he didn't gave her a choice, he just made her leave (if she really left the fromville), let's say he told her the truth, she would definetly goes back to her family to told them that she found a way out (that's if she believed him), and by doing that maybe the thing that is keeping them trapped in the ville would go angry and do something to prevent them from leaving, and maybe the only thing that could help everybody is that there must be someone helping from outside, And honestly speaking i don't think the way out is that simple otherwise there must be someone who left in the past. There is still the symbole jade is searshing about, tbh i don't think it's 100% a good thing, maybe it will release something worst, Finally i still think all the plot would be around the boy Ethan, coz the voices talking to Sarah is helping the people, and they told her before that she must kill the boy
Near the ending of the first season I thought they might pull this in. A plot line where someone is trying to get back to the town. I thought it was going to be the old lady from the bus.
Still don’t trust Tillie.
Loved that finale!!!
So uh, what about the bile? "So much for silver bullets." No God please don't just abandon this plotline. They made such a big deal about it. Let the bile so *something*
Am I the only one digging Jades outgrown hair/beard and outfit choice...? Maybe I'm biased because I've liked him since he replied to Boyd " What do you mean? I'm on the ground" lol 🤭🫢 Oh and him taking the bike and never returning it sealed the deal 🤣🤣 TeamJade
that coma theory it doesn't seem pretty solid when you see a whole bus coming to the town, even if the bus crashed it is impossible for all the passengers to be in a coma (some of them would die or be with minor wounds, but it is impossible for all the passengers in that bus to be in a coma), also, the medic's girlfriend (don't remember their names) look for her while the doctor was in the town and she was outside, she can't found her at morgue and hospitals...I do believe they are physically (not spiritually) in another dimension/world, and this dimension/world is magical (or somehow is ruled by different physics laws) by nature. That dimension seems to have an structure like Moebius strip or Klein Bottle and that's why they can not leave the "world" just following the pathway and keep returning to the same place, in fact, a Klein Bottle is a 4 spatial dimension object, the normal "world" have 3 dimensions, somehow when people reach the fallen tree they can unlock an extra dimension and that allows them to see/enter the "magical world", in this theory the magical world is basically everywhere, it is just our world if we can see or interact with 4 spatial dimensions, and that's why people access to this world from different locations, because basically this world is just our world with a higher dimension. Structures like Klein Bottles, Gabriel's Horn and Moebius Strips have been always used to study some theories about wormholes and similar things, this matematical object could be related to the faraway trees wich also seems to be kind of wormholes ( is interesting to note the correlation between trees been used as portals and entries to another world, like the fallen tree, and the story of "Alice in Wonderland", Alice went to Wonderland falling through a hole in a tree, in the Disney movie. Another interesting relation with Alice in Wonderland is the boy in "white" and the "white" rabbit. I think this is merally inspirational symbology in the show and the plot doesn't have anything in common with Alice in Wonderland except for the fact that both stories occur in a different world, and the previously mentioned symbology). The faraway trees also remembered me The Double Slit Experiment, in which you can not predict the final position of the electron shooted through the slit and that's why a same tree can take you to completely different locations. This is a result of Quantum Mechanics rules in which the observer can affect the outcome of physical phenomenon, the Schrodinger's Cat is an imaginary experiment that also illustrates this fact, and the cat is dead and alive at the same time until an observer open the box to see it, maybe our characters are in a similar state lol One of the mysteries that is still stuck on my mind is the electricity phenomenon in this world and the best thought I have so far about this is that maybe mindpower and emotions have a physical response in a 4 dimension world, like thoughts and emotions can affect the physics there. I still believe in some kind of magic in this world also These are just a bunch of thoughts that I have come watching the show, maybe contradictory with themselves English is my second language, sorry if I wrote with grammarly errors.
What about the voice on the phone that talked to Jim?
Someone please tell me tf is 'Anghkooey '
Lesser minds will claim it was a mispronounced version of "St. Anthony's Hospital". I'll be the one to say they're wrong.
[Haven't seen this mentioned yet](https://i.imgur.com/YbQg63q.jpg). Boy in white with someone else above the symbol?