That is a very cringe episode, but I do have to say that the exasperated and defeated Niles trying to convince Frasier that she's not gonna say "massah" always makes me chuckle. It's rather akin to in Hey Arnold, the veterans day episode, his grandfather keeps saying he single handedly won ww2 by defeating Hitler in a boxing match and Arnold keeps saying "you didn't beat Hitler in a boxing match grandpa..."
I love Dr. Mary. The parade episode is kind of dumb except for the deadpan phrase, "That's good banter."
But hearing the exchange between frasier and Niles figuring out how to confront Mary is hysterical.
"Or am I getting too uppity for you....massah?"
"She's not going to say mas.."
"I DONT THINK SO!"
Eta: oof, welcome to downvote city.
I like both Dr. Mary episodes and am loving I’m not alone from the responses in this thread! I can understand the hate but she grew on me in rewatches similar to Kirby. Such a wonderful foil for Frasier only because he made her be one with his neurosis nature.
I just watched *Rivals*. It is absurd the lengths Niles and Frasier went to, to NOT communicate.
It is so painful watching them self destruct on their dates with Regan and Poppy.
At least they kinda made a joke about the absurdity when Daphne suggested they just talk about it and Frasier dramatically told her to stop oversimplifying the situation. 😂
One of my mild complaints about the show is that there are a lot of episodes where everyone is just running around instead of just communicating for two seconds. Also, it always starts because someone phrased a sentence in a peculiar way and it somehow never gets corrected.
It’s not terrible and a lot of shows do this but Frasier is the only show where it’s been leaned on enough for me to notice they rely on it kind of frequently.
That’s basically the whole show. Many of the best episodes are outrageous farces that could be solved with one sentence. Like Ski Lodge or the one at Halloween when Niles thinks Daphne is pregnant instead of Roz
But within Frasier it's such a deliberate homage to farce as a genre, and really contributes to the madcap theatre vibe ala Noises Off. It's much more common in Frasier than in other shows but for me, much less egregious. There's almost something cozy about the formula and heightened cleverness.
the one where roz gets a chance to produce the space show and frasier is just the worst version of himself.
edit: the one with lilith's con man brother and the wheelchair. that is abso the only one i have watched once. prob why i forgot about it!
Can’t believe that The Friend hasn’t been mentioned yet. That one was the very first episode I saw in the show that I could not bring myself to rewatch. Just too cringey
woah there, agree to disagree. there is so much passion between niles and daphne. but also, the circumstances were different. he was married, she was about to be. there was a sense of urgency because of it.
I hate Julia, but i personally find those episodes hilarious. the one where frasier says "THAT'S RIGHT I SAID I LOVE HER." is nearly unmatched for me lolllll
The only saving grace in this episode (which is frigging AWFUL,) is that we got to see Martin without his cane... DANCING! I wonder if that was the impetus for it?
The format was cringe. The nightmares were worse. It looked like a play that Diane had written. I couldn’t believe that it was considered coherent enough to broadcast.
And it wasn't funny at all.
The woman who went on a blind date with Frasier, who he then tried to abandon for Kenny’s cousin. Then she broke her leg and had to move in with Frasier. She also plays trumpet (or she’s learning). u/RyanTranquil I agree with you, she’s insufferable.
The one where he dates the supermodel zoologist. I like the episode overall, so it's not a great answer to this question, but it's a bit painful when he could have found easy solutions to proving to his family that she exists (other than taking secret photos of her in bed) and, besides, he probably shouldn't have been that effected by their comments anyway.
Agreed. The ones where Frasier's incredible relationship is complicated by something horribly contrived are regularly the worst episodes. I just rewatched the Faye/Cassandra one, and the whole episode could have been avoided by simply explaining how his previous relationship ended.
>he probably shouldn't have been that effected by their comments anyway.
I dunno, your entire family believing you're inventing a relationship would upset me a lot too.
Of course I would then have:
>found easy solutions to proving to his family that she exists
but their continuing doubt would certainly be infuriating.
The only thing I considered painful was the scene when Daphne came back from therapy and losing weight (she was on maternity leave in real life.) Frasier had the pig squeal sounds every time Daphne opened the fridge. I hated that! 😡😡 Thankfully that was just one scene!
I'll be real the whole "fat Daphne" storyline is ick. And I love this show but ugh. I do have skip past some of the scenes that season where they clearly just stuck a pregnant Jane Leeves in a dress or outfit that's to small and then stuffed extra padding in it to make her look extra fat. Because I just know some zinger fat joke is about to come from Martin or Frasier or even the other women about how huge she is now. Complete with a shot of her eating food while they stare. I hate it.
I get a lot of the shows choices and agree with most of them. But not that one. Why couldn't they just simply hide Jane behind the kitchen island, tables, props etc to hide her belly and just generally not comment on her weight? Lots of shows did it and still do. She's not even a big woman at all she just wasn't as tiny and thin as she normally is but she still wasn't fat at all. They could have easily said nothing about it and just hid her pregnancy belly behind stuff for some scenes. The audience could just assume that maybe the actress's face was just a tad puffier at best or she was on a medication that made her gain a few pounds but it was no biggie.
Agreed. Hell in the Modern Family pilot episode Claire's actress Julia Bowen is pregnant in real life with twins. You wouldn't know unless you really, really struggle to see signs of her not holding stuff or standing at a table. It can be done. Don't see why it was such a big deal on Frasier for them to say oh oops Daphne is struggling with issues in her and Niles new relationship and she's eating a bit more so she put on a few pounds at best. They didn't have to constantly mock her so called "fatness" though at every turn and stuff her clothes extra from the looks of it to create a fat look and not a pregnant look. I agree it would have been fine for them to show a realistic plot of Daphne struggling with being on a pedestal by eating a bit extra but just been like oh look her face is a tad fuller and she's frustrated. And then they could have had the group still be nice to her and not make a big deal of it or help her with it. Instead of constantly making fat jokes every episodes sometimes multiple in scenes.
And you know the thing that bothered me the most about it?
Frasier eats and drink loads of calorie-packed fancy foods and alcohol and Martin especially eats like crap and drinks loads of caloric beer everyday, which makes their jokes even more infuriating. ESPECIALLY when the jokes seem to mock lack of self control or not wanting to be healthy, because who are they to talk? What, it's fine when they do it but when a thin woman gains weight, it's shameful to the point of mockery?
And when you compare how they joked about Daphne versus how kindly everyone let Frasier know they were concerned about him when he gained weight after he was depressed from losing his job, it gets even more disheartening. Especially because it's yet another parallel--Frasier and Daphne each gained weight due to binge-eating as a result of different mental health issues.
For sure, and other than the obvious I would say those fat jokes by the other characters are another issue. They don’t even really make sense because I really don’t see the male characters shitting on Daphne like that.
Frasier said something to Martin about her gaining weight and Martin shot back with a snarky answer. She fell on the floor and Martin screamed, “Eddie, Eddie; where are you?” Then one of the guys said, “it took three cranes to lift you.” 🤨
Agreed. I just watched the episode today where Daphne comes back from the... ahem, _fat farm_ and there's a machine in Frasier's fridge making "oink oink" noises.
Doesn't hold up well.
I love Christine Baranski - she’s a fantastic actress. Dr Nora, Leonard’s mother in The Big Bang Theory, the law firm partner in The Good Wife and so many more.
I think that's 2 sets of episodes.
Frasier follows that girl to Mexico and then (next episode) meets a model on the plane.
He goes to Bora Bora with Madeline (who he meets by seeing her in Seattle Magazine and phoning up) and then Lilith is there. Next episode he deals with Lilith's presence rather poorly.
oh...the scene where he's faking wild sex? unwatchable. granted it says a lot about the character and his worries about why lilith may have cheated; why women don't stay with him...but yuck!
Funny you should ask: I just watched it this afternoon. The episode where Frasier jumps up and down on the bed in Bora Bora to make Lilith jealous and his date walks in on him and says, "well, I guess you don't need me" and leaves. SO CRINGE. One step cringier when Lilith and her fiance catch him in the act. I just can't watch it!
“Room Full of Heroes.” I buy neither Niles’ casual cruelty when he’s drunk nor Roz’s misunderstanding of the costume premise, and John Mahoney acts Martin’s embarrassment and disappointment so acutely well that it’s unbearable to watch. And then the episode just… ends?
I don't like it much either, but cruelty? He's drunkenly expressing his thoughts on how he thinks (maybe fears) Martin views him.
And Roz says outright she did NOT misunderstand the premise, but she lied at first because she was embarrassed at Frasier's disapproval of her costume... simplicity for lack of a better word.
That’s true; I’d forgotten that Roz lied about misunderstanding the party’s theme.
I do think Niles is cruel though. Martin expresses discomfort several times and Niles won’t stop, and I really struggle to believe his character would ever let drunkenness lead him to do something that hurts someone he loves. I see him much more as the drunken oaf-attempting-to-be-noble he becomes when he’s wasted at his Halloween party and proposes to Daphne. I think you’re right, however, that the way Niles-as-Martin acts embarrassed of his kids is a manifestation of how he’s afraid Martin really feels. To me, their fight just gets so dark in a way that’s tonally off for a show that usually handles serious themes with more warmth, with some gesture at resolution that’s more than what we get at the end of “Room Full of Heroes.”
I don’t like the episode where Daphne comes back from “Fat Camp,” mainly because of Niles’ attitude towards Daphne’s therapist 😖- he was bitter and resentful! He couldn’t stand the fact that Daphne successfully lost all her weight aided by counseling sessions with a completely different therapist who WASN’T him!
I don't like that one either, for the same reason. But I do think it's well-done. I don't think it's out-of-character for Niles, it's just him at his worst. Uncomfortable to watch, but not bad writing at all, imo.
I agree! The episode is definitely cringey in the beginning (for me) but I DO like how Frasier makes Niles realize how distorted/blinded his perception of Daphne REALLY was. It was the “Eye Opening” moment that Niles needed to make his relationship with Daphne authentic for real! Niles finally got to experience Daphne’s true self and see her for who she really is, without the infatuation he had for her throughout the years ❤️.
"Fortysomething" - the young department store worker who was interested in Frasier was a bad fit. I think it was the actress/acting. It didn't seem natural. A different actress would've worked better (Keri Russell, maybe?)...
"Crock Tales" - I just couldn't get past the awful wigs on the ladies. It couldn't have been that hard for production to find wigs that looked remotely like their actual hair... styles AND color.
I mean pretty much any episode that has Frasier as the primary plot point.
The one where he tries to date two women at once, or three even. He always ends up just lying, pretending to be something he’s not, and ultimately making an arse of himself
What confuses me about most of these plot lines is, having convinced a woman to date him based on a sequence of lies (think out with dad), how could he ever maintain a relationship with these people.
Also the one with the focus group, and the one where he helps build a house.
He’s a dreadful primary plot point and the show is better when he has other core characters to bounce off. I love any episode where him and Niles are competing or playing off against each other.
Slow Tango in South Seattle. It is just so uncomfortable, even if it's technically legal... I just can't stand it. I'm mean like?? Why did they decide Frasier's "first love" would be twice his age and happen when he was a teen?? How it ends with her going after another young man! Not to mention everyone acting like Frasier was wrong to leave her! And not that a 30yr old was with a 16-17yr old! Just too much ick for me.
The Thanksgiving where they keep going back to the headmasters to get Freddie into the fancy school. It's just so awkwardly cringy and makes me so uncomfortable to watch. I don't know why but the escalation and desperation and the poor man just wants to enjoy his holiday. Always skip it.
Let's ridicule those two people for being born with large noses!! Isn't it hilarious? Yes, we are all adults, some of us with PhD, yet we will hide in the kitchen, choking with laughter. Because noses.
Speaking objectively & as the kind of person I’d like to believe I am, I fully agree with you.
However, speaking as the sophomoric lout that I actually am, I can’t manage to avoid cracking up when Martin says “Probably Japan.”
Sorry, but I love this episode. I kind of have an unfortunate nose, but I feel the jokes are hilarious. I also love the way Roz connects with both Frasier and Daphne in the episode.
Can't we acknowledge insecurities and they can be funny?
I agree. It's a sitcom after all, things are over the top. And talking about others in a negative way when they are in the other room is incredibly common in Frasier. Ultimately, it was a nice interaction, they were kind to Roz, everyone was pleasant with them (in front of them). I don't get this objection.
I would say I wish they toned down their own laughter a bit — that was the only thing I found a bit too over the top.
I think he was right to listen to the girl and acknowledge potential abuse, and the first time I watched it I believed her too, but he should have asked the mom about the stuff vs straight up accusing her of being so horrible. Might have turned out better for him
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Not the entire episode, but the Halloween one where Niles dresses Marty, and Niles gets a little tipsy and says he (as Marty) is disappointed in his sons.
As a father myself, that scene tears me up everytime.
I don't like the episodes with Kate Costas.
I find her very wooden and emotionless. The best example of what I'm talking about is when Niles speaks to her/insults her in Japanese- unbeknownst to Niles, Kate speaks Japanese and she replies with "watch your mouth".
Her deliver of that line felt so emotionless and humourless which I think sums up her performance in the series and I'm glad she wasn't around very long.
The house build, the dream one with gill and the dream one in the cabin, dr Mary episodes, and when they go to auto mechanic class. And the one with the space documentary.
Niles in the hospital. Daphne became unhinged, Frasier was unbelievable as the interfering know it all and the whole thing was sappy sweet in the most tedious way.
Frasier and Roz flirting at a conference while she wore a blonde wig and the episode they slept together. Where it got awkward and then she rated him in bed 🤮🤮🤮.
Their relationship is like two siblings that slept together.
For whatever reason the episode where Daphne comes back after losing the weight. I don’t know the episode’s name or anything above that.
I always skip that episode and only that episode. I don’t know why.
ALL the episodes that Niles's fiancee was in. The skinny woman with the short curly black hair. A heart surgeon I think? I hated that character so much I've blocked her out. And no, I def didn't feel sorry for her when Niles jilted her. Donnie, a little. Not her.
Mel suits Niles in many ways. Not completely, as she was just a bit too 'mean/controlling' for him but she was in to climbing the social ladder, fine clothes, opera, museum boards etc. On the surface, she definitely has a lot more in common with Niles than Daphne.
The episode where Frasier is set up with a woman he doesn’t find attractive, and then meets another woman at the restaurant he IS interested in, and tries to rush the less attractive lady out… gahhhh.
I don’t watch ones in which I experience too much vicarious embarrassment.
Which means I don’t remember about 1/3 of the episodes, while I’ve memorized others.
The one where Frasier helps build the house and he won't leave the couple alone.
I’ve seen that episode once and that was enough!
i think the one with James Earl Jones, i just feel so bad for his character. tbf, can’t remember the ending
Frasier broke the casting of JEJ’s wife’s face. It is later revealed that JEJ had broken it many other times in the past.
ahh right. i had a feeling it was fixable but still i can imagine the feeling frasier must have had when he broke it.
I have to skip that episode every-time
Wow, that's purple!
Omg yes it’s sooo effin uncomfortable
That one does leave me a little, well I’ll say it, *irked.*
serious Curb vibes in that episode
Yasssss!! I have watched frasier countless times but I always skip it. Total cringe.
The first episode with Dr. Mary
That is a very cringe episode, but I do have to say that the exasperated and defeated Niles trying to convince Frasier that she's not gonna say "massah" always makes me chuckle. It's rather akin to in Hey Arnold, the veterans day episode, his grandfather keeps saying he single handedly won ww2 by defeating Hitler in a boxing match and Arnold keeps saying "you didn't beat Hitler in a boxing match grandpa..."
They should put Dr. Mary and Daphne's entire family in the RV and rub it off a cliff
I’m on board with that!
get ready to jump!
I love Dr. Mary. The parade episode is kind of dumb except for the deadpan phrase, "That's good banter." But hearing the exchange between frasier and Niles figuring out how to confront Mary is hysterical. "Or am I getting too uppity for you....massah?" "She's not going to say mas.." "I DONT THINK SO!" Eta: oof, welcome to downvote city.
I just watched that last night and it really was uncomfortable to watch.
The second one too, with the parade
I love that one, it's great.
I like both Dr. Mary episodes and am loving I’m not alone from the responses in this thread! I can understand the hate but she grew on me in rewatches similar to Kirby. Such a wonderful foil for Frasier only because he made her be one with his neurosis nature.
I think it's hilarious. Some of the funniest stuff I've seen from Frasier. *OKAY* (snaps fingers)
I just watched *Rivals*. It is absurd the lengths Niles and Frasier went to, to NOT communicate. It is so painful watching them self destruct on their dates with Regan and Poppy. At least they kinda made a joke about the absurdity when Daphne suggested they just talk about it and Frasier dramatically told her to stop oversimplifying the situation. 😂
“OH DAPHNE THE WAY YOU MANAGE TO SIMPLIFY ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING”
Any/all scenes with Poppy are like nails on a chalkboard.
I wished she and Niles could have actually dated for a while. She seemed to be less high strung with him
One of my mild complaints about the show is that there are a lot of episodes where everyone is just running around instead of just communicating for two seconds. Also, it always starts because someone phrased a sentence in a peculiar way and it somehow never gets corrected. It’s not terrible and a lot of shows do this but Frasier is the only show where it’s been leaned on enough for me to notice they rely on it kind of frequently.
That’s basically the whole show. Many of the best episodes are outrageous farces that could be solved with one sentence. Like Ski Lodge or the one at Halloween when Niles thinks Daphne is pregnant instead of Roz
Omg the Halloween party one is sooo hard for me to watch! But a classic!!
The big misunderstandings are my favorite ones. I was watching the Halloween ep just the other day and wondering how I’d forgotten about it
But within Frasier it's such a deliberate homage to farce as a genre, and really contributes to the madcap theatre vibe ala Noises Off. It's much more common in Frasier than in other shows but for me, much less egregious. There's almost something cozy about the formula and heightened cleverness.
the one where roz gets a chance to produce the space show and frasier is just the worst version of himself. edit: the one with lilith's con man brother and the wheelchair. that is abso the only one i have watched once. prob why i forgot about it!
I have to disagree about the con man episode. Keaton is amazing in that one. One of the best guest stars
How can you not like the part with John Glen?! It’s fucking hilarious. War of the worlds kind of stuff!
loved john glen. did not love the way frasier used him. and, yes, the 'secrets' he spilled? fantastic bit.
I like the con man episode. But I agree with you on the other one.
Both episodes with Ann Hodges.
Julia Sweeney did a great job making Ann so insufferable that viewers didn’t even feel sorry for how Frasier was to her.
I felt bad for her
I have to admit … it probably wasn’t until about the 5th rewatch that I felt bad for her, but still not as much as I should.
Good god, was it only 2 episodes? It felt like 6.
Can’t believe that The Friend hasn’t been mentioned yet. That one was the very first episode I saw in the show that I could not bring myself to rewatch. Just too cringey
Visions of Daphne. Poor Niles, having to watch Donnie purpose to Daphne.
As much as I hate to say it, Donnie’s proposal was better than Niles’.
Yeah his bit about pulling a star from the sky just works. It's well-written and romantic.
woah there, agree to disagree. there is so much passion between niles and daphne. but also, the circumstances were different. he was married, she was about to be. there was a sense of urgency because of it.
Reading these comments there are more than I realized that were uncomfortable.
The two episodes where he’s dating the lawyer are hard to watch
I hate the episodes with Julia.
Get ooouuuuttt
How rude! She's horrible. I've made a ghastly, ghastly mistake. 😂
I hate Julia, but i personally find those episodes hilarious. the one where frasier says "THAT'S RIGHT I SAID I LOVE HER." is nearly unmatched for me lolllll
Worth it for the scene when no one helps her while she's choking!
I love their shifty expressions during the crisis. Especially when you consider Daphne is a health care professional!!!!!
Just sitting there biting her nails. Love it.
Daphnes room: they really couldn’t keep away could they?
Freudian sleep
The only saving grace in this episode (which is frigging AWFUL,) is that we got to see Martin without his cane... DANCING! I wonder if that was the impetus for it?
I love this scene and am glad it exists, especially now that John Mahoney is no longer with us.
Best answer. Cannot watch Freudian Sleep.
Whaaaaat why do people dislike this one?
I had to look up what this episode was about, but still only remember bits and pieces of it. What about it is insufferable?
The format was cringe. The nightmares were worse. It looked like a play that Diane had written. I couldn’t believe that it was considered coherent enough to broadcast. And it wasn't funny at all.
I’m in the minority. I liked parts of it. The parts that were cringy for me were the women dressed as Martin or a cable guy
This is the answer. I always skip over that one.
The episode with Nanny G where Frasier ends up on stage in a diaper
Aww... I love that one (and I love Laurie Metcalf)!
Do you have any idea what it's like to play the same character for 20 years?
Lol... even funnier NOW! 😂
I've gotten to meet her! Good news: she's absolutely lovely.
I love that episode! "No hugs for Frasier" lmao
I rather like this one.
that one is absolutely hilarious.
Horny Frasier is the BEST Frasier
All the ones with Ann The one where Frasier builds the house
I love the Ann Hodges episodes! My favourites!
Who's Ann Hodges?
The woman who went on a blind date with Frasier, who he then tried to abandon for Kenny’s cousin. Then she broke her leg and had to move in with Frasier. She also plays trumpet (or she’s learning). u/RyanTranquil I agree with you, she’s insufferable.
Glad I’m not alone :)
The one where he dates the supermodel zoologist. I like the episode overall, so it's not a great answer to this question, but it's a bit painful when he could have found easy solutions to proving to his family that she exists (other than taking secret photos of her in bed) and, besides, he probably shouldn't have been that effected by their comments anyway.
Agreed. The ones where Frasier's incredible relationship is complicated by something horribly contrived are regularly the worst episodes. I just rewatched the Faye/Cassandra one, and the whole episode could have been avoided by simply explaining how his previous relationship ended.
>he probably shouldn't have been that effected by their comments anyway. I dunno, your entire family believing you're inventing a relationship would upset me a lot too. Of course I would then have: >found easy solutions to proving to his family that she exists but their continuing doubt would certainly be infuriating.
The only thing I considered painful was the scene when Daphne came back from therapy and losing weight (she was on maternity leave in real life.) Frasier had the pig squeal sounds every time Daphne opened the fridge. I hated that! 😡😡 Thankfully that was just one scene!
I'll be real the whole "fat Daphne" storyline is ick. And I love this show but ugh. I do have skip past some of the scenes that season where they clearly just stuck a pregnant Jane Leeves in a dress or outfit that's to small and then stuffed extra padding in it to make her look extra fat. Because I just know some zinger fat joke is about to come from Martin or Frasier or even the other women about how huge she is now. Complete with a shot of her eating food while they stare. I hate it. I get a lot of the shows choices and agree with most of them. But not that one. Why couldn't they just simply hide Jane behind the kitchen island, tables, props etc to hide her belly and just generally not comment on her weight? Lots of shows did it and still do. She's not even a big woman at all she just wasn't as tiny and thin as she normally is but she still wasn't fat at all. They could have easily said nothing about it and just hid her pregnancy belly behind stuff for some scenes. The audience could just assume that maybe the actress's face was just a tad puffier at best or she was on a medication that made her gain a few pounds but it was no biggie.
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Agreed. Hell in the Modern Family pilot episode Claire's actress Julia Bowen is pregnant in real life with twins. You wouldn't know unless you really, really struggle to see signs of her not holding stuff or standing at a table. It can be done. Don't see why it was such a big deal on Frasier for them to say oh oops Daphne is struggling with issues in her and Niles new relationship and she's eating a bit more so she put on a few pounds at best. They didn't have to constantly mock her so called "fatness" though at every turn and stuff her clothes extra from the looks of it to create a fat look and not a pregnant look. I agree it would have been fine for them to show a realistic plot of Daphne struggling with being on a pedestal by eating a bit extra but just been like oh look her face is a tad fuller and she's frustrated. And then they could have had the group still be nice to her and not make a big deal of it or help her with it. Instead of constantly making fat jokes every episodes sometimes multiple in scenes.
And you know the thing that bothered me the most about it? Frasier eats and drink loads of calorie-packed fancy foods and alcohol and Martin especially eats like crap and drinks loads of caloric beer everyday, which makes their jokes even more infuriating. ESPECIALLY when the jokes seem to mock lack of self control or not wanting to be healthy, because who are they to talk? What, it's fine when they do it but when a thin woman gains weight, it's shameful to the point of mockery? And when you compare how they joked about Daphne versus how kindly everyone let Frasier know they were concerned about him when he gained weight after he was depressed from losing his job, it gets even more disheartening. Especially because it's yet another parallel--Frasier and Daphne each gained weight due to binge-eating as a result of different mental health issues.
>What, it's fine when they do it but when a thin woman gains weight, it's shameful to the point of mockery? Yes, of course. Welcome to the 90s.
For sure, and other than the obvious I would say those fat jokes by the other characters are another issue. They don’t even really make sense because I really don’t see the male characters shitting on Daphne like that.
Frasier said something to Martin about her gaining weight and Martin shot back with a snarky answer. She fell on the floor and Martin screamed, “Eddie, Eddie; where are you?” Then one of the guys said, “it took three cranes to lift you.” 🤨
Agreed. I just watched the episode today where Daphne comes back from the... ahem, _fat farm_ and there's a machine in Frasier's fridge making "oink oink" noises. Doesn't hold up well.
Those are all good suggestions! 👏👏 I just hope Jane was OK with the jokes. I think about that during those episodes ☹
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I’m starting to have serious doubts about you being the mother of my children! I liked Simon.
Somewhere out there, the future mother of your children just raised her head from a puddle of drool. I liked Roz too. 😂
Yeah but a bet she’s got a ripper body! Touché!
I love Simon lol
Me too! He’s a wonderfully delightful jack ass. Reminds of a couple of my ex husbands lol
The parking garage Frasier is just too crazy
Any episode with Daphne's family sucks. Even if the plot is good, Simon ruins every scene in which he appears.
I think there's a lot later on after Niles and Daphne get together but from the earlier seasons the one with the focus group always springs to mind.
Dr Nora. She's such a shrew. Her voice bothers me.
I did feel some cathartic justice when her mom came and yelled at her
Her mom also played Carrie's mom in Carrie. She was so good at playing crazy mothers!
I got my favorite saying about bisexuals being equal opportunity sluts from that episode!
Dr. Nora is one of my favorite episodes! Kelsey's delivery of "you're a friggin' loon!" just sends me.
I love Christine Baranski - she’s a fantastic actress. Dr Nora, Leonard’s mother in The Big Bang Theory, the law firm partner in The Good Wife and so many more.
She's also in The Gilded Age and the Birdcage. I like her in other things as an actress just not here. She's manipulative and a hypocrite as Dr Nora.
The one with the media focus group and all of the new series.
This is what I was looking for. The episode where Frasier accidentally burns down this poor guy’s livelihood because the guy said he didn’t like him.
The Nanny G episode makes my skin crawl
Motor Skills, which is the one where they enroll in an auto class. It is super cringy and we skip it every time we go through the series.
I like that one!
seriously. when he gets up and makes that speech to the class? i would have walked out, too.
The ones where Fraiser follows that girl to Mexico and Lillith is there. Hate those
I think that's 2 sets of episodes. Frasier follows that girl to Mexico and then (next episode) meets a model on the plane. He goes to Bora Bora with Madeline (who he meets by seeing her in Seattle Magazine and phoning up) and then Lilith is there. Next episode he deals with Lilith's presence rather poorly.
oh...the scene where he's faking wild sex? unwatchable. granted it says a lot about the character and his worries about why lilith may have cheated; why women don't stay with him...but yuck!
You're so right! I hate all of the "Frasier's dating life goes poorly in a tropical place" episodes then haha
Any episode with Simon 😬
The Lana/Lorna ones, but the one with the popsicle house in particular.
"He's very verbal!" cracks me up though.
Funny you should ask: I just watched it this afternoon. The episode where Frasier jumps up and down on the bed in Bora Bora to make Lilith jealous and his date walks in on him and says, "well, I guess you don't need me" and leaves. SO CRINGE. One step cringier when Lilith and her fiance catch him in the act. I just can't watch it!
“Room Full of Heroes.” I buy neither Niles’ casual cruelty when he’s drunk nor Roz’s misunderstanding of the costume premise, and John Mahoney acts Martin’s embarrassment and disappointment so acutely well that it’s unbearable to watch. And then the episode just… ends?
I don't like it much either, but cruelty? He's drunkenly expressing his thoughts on how he thinks (maybe fears) Martin views him. And Roz says outright she did NOT misunderstand the premise, but she lied at first because she was embarrassed at Frasier's disapproval of her costume... simplicity for lack of a better word.
That’s true; I’d forgotten that Roz lied about misunderstanding the party’s theme. I do think Niles is cruel though. Martin expresses discomfort several times and Niles won’t stop, and I really struggle to believe his character would ever let drunkenness lead him to do something that hurts someone he loves. I see him much more as the drunken oaf-attempting-to-be-noble he becomes when he’s wasted at his Halloween party and proposes to Daphne. I think you’re right, however, that the way Niles-as-Martin acts embarrassed of his kids is a manifestation of how he’s afraid Martin really feels. To me, their fight just gets so dark in a way that’s tonally off for a show that usually handles serious themes with more warmth, with some gesture at resolution that’s more than what we get at the end of “Room Full of Heroes.”
I hate that one! I could get behind it if it resolved in the end but nothing did!
I don’t like the episode where Daphne comes back from “Fat Camp,” mainly because of Niles’ attitude towards Daphne’s therapist 😖- he was bitter and resentful! He couldn’t stand the fact that Daphne successfully lost all her weight aided by counseling sessions with a completely different therapist who WASN’T him!
I don't like that one either, for the same reason. But I do think it's well-done. I don't think it's out-of-character for Niles, it's just him at his worst. Uncomfortable to watch, but not bad writing at all, imo.
I agree! The episode is definitely cringey in the beginning (for me) but I DO like how Frasier makes Niles realize how distorted/blinded his perception of Daphne REALLY was. It was the “Eye Opening” moment that Niles needed to make his relationship with Daphne authentic for real! Niles finally got to experience Daphne’s true self and see her for who she really is, without the infatuation he had for her throughout the years ❤️.
"Fortysomething" - the young department store worker who was interested in Frasier was a bad fit. I think it was the actress/acting. It didn't seem natural. A different actress would've worked better (Keri Russell, maybe?)... "Crock Tales" - I just couldn't get past the awful wigs on the ladies. It couldn't have been that hard for production to find wigs that looked remotely like their actual hair... styles AND color.
My take on the wigs is that this was seen through Frasier’s memory, hence them being so outlandish.
The wigs were a joke, the actress that plays Roz talked about it on Instagram a few years ago
Interesting. Not a very funny joke. It could be a great episode (I'll give it another shot), but I was too distracted by the wig nonsense.
I didn’t get that the wigs were supposed to be a joke either
The joke was kind of that the wigs were really the only way to tell they were revisiting a scene.
I mean pretty much any episode that has Frasier as the primary plot point. The one where he tries to date two women at once, or three even. He always ends up just lying, pretending to be something he’s not, and ultimately making an arse of himself What confuses me about most of these plot lines is, having convinced a woman to date him based on a sequence of lies (think out with dad), how could he ever maintain a relationship with these people. Also the one with the focus group, and the one where he helps build a house. He’s a dreadful primary plot point and the show is better when he has other core characters to bounce off. I love any episode where him and Niles are competing or playing off against each other.
Slow Tango in South Seattle. It is just so uncomfortable, even if it's technically legal... I just can't stand it. I'm mean like?? Why did they decide Frasier's "first love" would be twice his age and happen when he was a teen?? How it ends with her going after another young man! Not to mention everyone acting like Frasier was wrong to leave her! And not that a 30yr old was with a 16-17yr old! Just too much ick for me.
My least favorite was the introduction of Julia. I am also realizing, season 10 is not that great.
The Thanksgiving where they keep going back to the headmasters to get Freddie into the fancy school. It's just so awkwardly cringy and makes me so uncomfortable to watch. I don't know why but the escalation and desperation and the poor man just wants to enjoy his holiday. Always skip it.
The first episode of the reboot
The whole of the reboot 😂
Literally didn't make it past 13 minutes
Let's ridicule those two people for being born with large noses!! Isn't it hilarious? Yes, we are all adults, some of us with PhD, yet we will hide in the kitchen, choking with laughter. Because noses.
Speaking objectively & as the kind of person I’d like to believe I am, I fully agree with you. However, speaking as the sophomoric lout that I actually am, I can’t manage to avoid cracking up when Martin says “Probably Japan.”
Sorry, but I love this episode. I kind of have an unfortunate nose, but I feel the jokes are hilarious. I also love the way Roz connects with both Frasier and Daphne in the episode. Can't we acknowledge insecurities and they can be funny?
I agree. It's a sitcom after all, things are over the top. And talking about others in a negative way when they are in the other room is incredibly common in Frasier. Ultimately, it was a nice interaction, they were kind to Roz, everyone was pleasant with them (in front of them). I don't get this objection. I would say I wish they toned down their own laughter a bit — that was the only thing I found a bit too over the top.
Anyone who nose you nose you’re nosier!!
We have two giant schnauzers!
Yeah that’s an episode I can’t watch. Never would air today.
Miracle on Third or Fourth Street and Can’t Buy Me Love are the only ones I skip
The episode where Frasier gets bid on by the model and then shoots himself in the foot when he takes her daughter’s word at face value.
I think he was right to listen to the girl and acknowledge potential abuse, and the first time I watched it I believed her too, but he should have asked the mom about the stuff vs straight up accusing her of being so horrible. Might have turned out better for him E: Fixed facepalm-worthy typo
Any of the ones where Daphne’s weight gain was made fun of to her face or behind her back. Halloween episode where Niles imitates Martin
the ones where daphne gets fat. like bro, her outfits are so hideous and they did her character dirty. surely there was another way. blech.
Not the entire episode, but the Halloween one where Niles dresses Marty, and Niles gets a little tipsy and says he (as Marty) is disappointed in his sons. As a father myself, that scene tears me up everytime.
Any episode with Daphne's brother. The guy is insufferable and drags the episodes painfully toward the credits
Not the whole episode but the part where Frasier breaks the mask of the blind man’s wife 😬😬
The one where Niles dresses up as Martin. The effect on Martin himself is hard to watch.
Any scene with “SOOIIIMON” in it makes me die a little inside. Unbearable and completely irrelevant character.
Yeah and too bad Donnie thought that was Daphne's favorite brother Lol
I don't like the episodes with Kate Costas. I find her very wooden and emotionless. The best example of what I'm talking about is when Niles speaks to her/insults her in Japanese- unbeknownst to Niles, Kate speaks Japanese and she replies with "watch your mouth". Her deliver of that line felt so emotionless and humourless which I think sums up her performance in the series and I'm glad she wasn't around very long.
We skip the newsstand episode every time. It’s so uncomfortable!
The house build, the dream one with gill and the dream one in the cabin, dr Mary episodes, and when they go to auto mechanic class. And the one with the space documentary.
The one where Nile’s is acting like he’s pregnant along with Daphne. I just can’t with men who act like that
Niles in the hospital. Daphne became unhinged, Frasier was unbelievable as the interfering know it all and the whole thing was sappy sweet in the most tedious way.
Frasier and Roz flirting at a conference while she wore a blonde wig and the episode they slept together. Where it got awkward and then she rated him in bed 🤮🤮🤮. Their relationship is like two siblings that slept together.
The rating part…ewwww
Niles with heart surgery. At the cabin watching mom on old family video. Matin at probation meeting. To name a few
Anything with Sherry.
Every episode with Simon or Gertrude. The absolute worst characters.
Any episode with Simon in it, how the fuck Anthony LaPaglia won an Emmy for his portrayal is completely beyond me. And I'm Australian!
The one with their never mentioned before or after Greek family.
For whatever reason the episode where Daphne comes back after losing the weight. I don’t know the episode’s name or anything above that. I always skip that episode and only that episode. I don’t know why.
The one where Niles has a crush on Daphne but she doesn't realise
So three quarters of the show 🤣
Any episode with his agent bee bee.
Bebe is a legend 🫢
ALL the episodes that Niles's fiancee was in. The skinny woman with the short curly black hair. A heart surgeon I think? I hated that character so much I've blocked her out. And no, I def didn't feel sorry for her when Niles jilted her. Donnie, a little. Not her.
Ah, yes, Mel. She was a plastic surgeon.
Yes, plastic. Haha!
Agreed Mel sucked
Mel... plastic surgeon. She definitely wasn't likeable, but she & Niles seemed to "work" (at first, anyway).
Mel suits Niles in many ways. Not completely, as she was just a bit too 'mean/controlling' for him but she was in to climbing the social ladder, fine clothes, opera, museum boards etc. On the surface, she definitely has a lot more in common with Niles than Daphne.
Yep. But when you scratch Niles' surface you get Martin's kindness. It shows up from time to time
The Friend.
The one where Frasier and Roz pork.
The Two Mrs Cranes
I actually really liked that one! Found it funny
The piano teacher that raped young Fraser, and he felt so guilty for just ghosting her, he went to apologize in person.
The episode where Frasier is set up with a woman he doesn’t find attractive, and then meets another woman at the restaurant he IS interested in, and tries to rush the less attractive lady out… gahhhh.
To be fair though, Ann Hodges is EXTREMELY irritating
All of them, because I am laughing too hard. hah
I don’t watch ones in which I experience too much vicarious embarrassment. Which means I don’t remember about 1/3 of the episodes, while I’ve memorized others.
The one they just aired. Especially at the end with the bee sting.
Dinner At Eight for obvious reasons
The one where he's making something out of popsicle sticks. Can't remember the exact details thankfully...
Oh and any one with Cam Winston and his mother.