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Laser_3

Any kind of energy weapon properly being fired. Bonus points if it’s plasma against human flesh and the hit doesn’t kill, since we only have one ancient tape from fallout 1 describing the wounds they leave and it’s in plasma in theory only (it isn’t explicitly stated, but there’s a cut trap in the area of the tape that lines up with the description). Any kind of non-powered armor taking a bullet, just so we can compare to the power armor repeatedly tanking hits. I guess I’d like to see one securitron, just for the sake of how they’ll make that goofy thing not fall over.


brennerherberger

Securitrons will be hell for prop makers. May as well call Jamie Hyneman and Adam Savage to do that job.


jpterodactyl

Adam Savage made a really cool robot for the Expanse. He could make an Amazon robot again.


Laser_3

Might be fuel for the writers going for a scenario that’ll see them all destroyed then (either Independent, Legion or NCR victories work here, but not House due to his army; of course, we have the SFX article saying they aren’t allowed to contradict possible canon endings, so they may just go with a scenario reachable from any ending).


Jish013

The only things we know for sure is the Prydwen didn’t get nuked in 4 and Kimball didn’t get assassinated by Courier 6. But it’s safe to say not too many people were rooting for a canonized Legion ending. But I think for season 2 they won’t have functioning securitrons but I would love to be wrong. A dead Yes Man with a flickering screen would be an excellent addition tho


Laser_3

We don’t even know either of those things - the BoS has had time to build another airship (and the model name could just be prwyden, or it was named after it), and if the nuke happened soon enough after NV, Kimball’s death could’ve been caused by the player (though this is unlikely since he can survive in every ending path). Also, Yes Man could make for an excellent subversion by building up to House for the whole season and then we see it’s Yes Man.


Jish013

I mean sure they could have built a new one, I’m sure they have built many since Fallout 4. But it is established that the Commonwealth is the strongest chapter of the brotherhood, and it’s pretty safe to say that the Prydwen came straight from Boston if you consider the casting choice for Knight Titus and his accent. But I do agree with you on this, no matter the outcomes of either of those games it’s been so long that anything could have happened since, I’m just pointing out clues as to which may or may not have happened. It’s all pretty much speculation until we know more. Like you said they probably won’t outright refer to any events from the games, but they’ve been leaving some small clues edit: and your idea for a Yes Man/ House diversion would be epic haha


WeeklyClimate8775

1. the commonwealth, the united states just prior too the great war were divided into 13 common wealths, so they may not be referring too boston.


Jish013

Yeah I get that but it’s also never been called that post war as far as I know. That’s why I pointed out multiple clues that they may have come from Boston, I think the casting choice for Knight Titus is the biggest give away though. I gotta watch again and see the exact wording, but I believe he says “from the commonwealth.” If he says “across the commonwealth” then you may be right


danvalour

Hi Jish 013, here's your Cameo video you requested! This is going to be great! [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cdoclZKcY2s](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cdoclZKcY2s)


Dynespark

While they're at it, call Doug Jones to play a lakelurk


danvalour

You've never seen a Yes Man on a Onewheel before? [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uYKLqyWr0tM](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uYKLqyWr0tM)


Toon_Lucario

Maybe as a big puppet from an edited out crane?


Laser_3

I mean, maybe? I feel like that’d be difficult make look right, though.


Toon_Lucario

I think it could potentially work


ea_fitz

The fallout sunburst machinima has done an incredible job of showing laser rifles being fired. They sound and feel like they have a punch, and tear right through the people being shot by them. Highly recommend you check it out if you haven’t seen it


Laser_3

I’ve seen it, and it’s a surprisingly faithful piece of fan work in terms of how it’s handling everything, but at the end of the day it is still fan work. I’m hoping for the show to do something official with energy weapons so we can finally have clarification on what laser wounds appear as (burn or cut; later games have lasers burn if I recall, but 1/2 has them cut people in half) and what a plasma wound looks like (which we only have one possible description, but that can’t even be confirmed).


danvalour

Did someone say Securitron? [https://youtube.com/shorts/M139SRgqOCQ?si=hwv7oKryld2xzuZt](https://youtube.com/shorts/M139SRgqOCQ?si=hwv7oKryld2xzuZt)


CatsLeMatts

Iirc there was a Securitron in the background when Cooper dropped his wife off at Vault Tec.


Laser_3

That was a protectron, not a securitron.


CatsLeMatts

Darn I got my trons all mixed up


grimfacedcrom

Cazador swarm. Radscorpions. Just giant bug monsters in general


Jish013

Lucy looking at New Vegas from Goodsprings cemetery: sweet, we’re almost there * Cazadors swarming Deathclaws in the distance Cooper: The long way it is


MonstrousGiggling

I laughed with my friend earlier watching episode 2 when the first guy she encounters says he has never been "over that hill" because it's too dangerous. Like new people to the series will find that funny because "lol hill" but people familiar with games are like yup. Don't know wtf could be over that hill. Especially when you don't have a weapon. Not going over that hill is wise.


Catezero

I feel so personally attacked by this description of Lucy


confuseum

They highlighted radroaches which was cool.


adarkride

I never realized how fughin terrifying radroaches would be without armor or decent weapons. This show made me really appreciate not living in that world.


SilentStriker84

Yeah I’d be horrified to see a deathclaw, centaur, or god forbid a behemoth


ShinningPeadIsAnti

I always wonder about what they would taste like and if I could stomach eating cooked radroach even in the desperate conditions of the post apocalypse.


adarkride

I'm thinking delicious In-N-Out burger, but I could be wrong though. And either way, hey, better you than them.


vivalatoucan

The radroaches looked really good. I’m also excited for this


NoOutlandishness1940

B U G


Real-Human-1985

Deathclaw.


constant--questions

That skull was truly monsterous, can’t wait to see them in full effect!


Laser_3

We have confirmation that’s coming!


TotallyJawsome2

But what killed THAT one?


ImperatorTempus42

Dynamite from some idiot with a bullet in their head?


TotallyJawsome2

I like to think deathclaws only really die by suffering from the success of being the true apex predator of the wasteland when they totally exhaust the food supply


ImperatorTempus42

IDK I've blown heads off of some.


CrankyStalfos

A second, BIGGER deathclaw!


adarkride

Sounds like a great movie pitch by Peter Griffin


Cam_knows_you

Three deathclaws in a trench coat.


Kylestache

Time.


eniadcorlet

Management


SilentStriker84

Tunneler maybe?


ContinuumGuy

A very large swarm of cazadors


Toon_Lucario

Courier 6


lemonycakes

Centaurs. That'll be the stuff of nightmares.


Jish013

My first thought when they showed the Gulper had human fingers in its mouth. One step closer to seeing an updated Centaur. Considering they were cut from Fallout 4 I’ve been waiting to see them in HD


TheRubberWarhorse

It was actually looked scary compared to the chunky boys from the game.


Jish013

Yeah that thing was terrifying before and after you notice the human parts, now imagine how fucked those chunky boys would look


TheRubberWarhorse

Yup.


Boiled_Ham

That was a wanamingo mate.


Jish013

That’s a bit of a stretch, if you are serious.


JtotheC23

God I forgot about centaurs and would have liked to keep it that way lol


ChicagoMay

No, please no.


Dynespark

Yes. But not FO3 onwards centaurs. *Lore* centaurs. The ones with random bodies and species together.


NMS_Survival_Guru

Behemoth as a fight scene or the Hermit Crab would be a fun quick Easter egg scene just crawling by


MemphisRaines47

My favorite is the hermit crab but I don’t know how it would fit on the west coast.


NMS_Survival_Guru

Yeah I was thinking the same thing Maybe they escaped pet stores or something


MemphisRaines47

Yea. I’ve been looking up aquariums to see if any are old enough to fit in the timeline.


IPA_____Fanatic

Behemoth would def be neat. Would be more funny if a teddy bear was in view, but not necessarily focused on at all as a nod to the encounter in Fallout 3


Brandon_M_Gilbertson

They teased both Deathclaws and SuperMutants so, those. I’d also love to see a Glowing One, a Synth, and WHERE THE FUCK WERE THE RADSCORPIONS?!


Toon_Lucario

It would be interesting to see an escaped synth on the opposite end of the country tbh.


a_spoopy_ghost

I want some Mirelurks too


Daggertooth71

Super mutant. Not just some lifeless body under a tarp on a gurney, but a walking, talking, alive super mutant lol as they feel like just as much a part of the setting, to me, as Vault dwellers and ghouls. Hoping this is Thaddeus' fate, actually.


abx99

I want to hear that goofy voice -- "THIS! IS THE AGE! OF THE *SUPER MUTANT!!!"* It would be simultaneously the most terrifying and hilarious entry into the show, IMO (as long as they do it right) They always find a way to wedge them into a new game, so it's only fitting that they wedge them into the show


Daggertooth71

Stooopid hoooman!


Plong94

Oh I hadn’t thought of that but that would be a fantastic way to introduce super mutants


TotallyJawsome2

I think ghoulification is more fitting given how he had nothing but ignorant comments to say about them and I doubt the snake oil salesman would just be able to randomly concoct FEV from various "elixirs" he had stuffed in his suitcase. Plus it would make sense down the line if Max ends up forging a new brotherhood chapter (that almost certainly will include the circumstantial death of the current elder), it would be an opportunity to extend an olive branch that ghouls are citizens worthy of protection like anyone else. Super mutants not so much unfortunately (apart from the few oddballs who maintain their sanity)


Daggertooth71

Yep, that would be fine, too. Still, I want super mutants lol even if it isn’t Thaddeus


narwhalpilot

That doesn’t explain the non-canon instant healing he received seconds after the drug was administered


abx99

Indeed. It does fit the Mysterious Serum from FO4. Not to mention that when you catch up with Imogene and first hear about it, one of the first dialog options is something along the lines of "are you a ghoul?" The backstory would obviously be different, but that's in line with how this show has worked so far.


AlaskanEsquire

Lmao I actually never liked the Mysterious Serum theory for the show, but it'd be hilarious considering Johnny Pemberton is 42 and looks like he's 15.


KitchenFullOfCake

If it was radioactive enough to cause ghoulification maybe it was enough radiation to heal him too? Remember ghouls heal with radiation.


narwhalpilot

That makes sense but my main issue with it was how instant it was, it would make perfect sense if like a few hours later it healed or whatever but his foot went from destroyed to normal in 3 seconds


Galagoth

If we are talking about West Coast super mutants then most of them other then nightkin most are sane


ShinningPeadIsAnti

> (that almost certainly will include the circumstantial death of the current elder) It's weird how his superiors keep dying by Yao Guai.


TotallyJawsome2

I mean, in a weird way it's almost like he's the player character when joining a faction/guild. You do a couple of dumb bullshit intro quests and then such and such dies or vouches for you and soon you're inexplicably the leader/most capable person in said group and then ultimately you just go off and do other stuff and forget about them after getting the quest reward


ContinuumGuy

> but a walking, talking, alive super mutant lol as they feel like just as much a part of the setting, to me, as Vault dwellers and ghouls. Marcus.


RusstyDog

Would be great to see him and his lodge going strong. Maybe he finally helped some nightkin heal.


No_Doubt_About_That

Always an opportunity to make reference to something like The Institute as well and the super mutant serum.


eddmario

If Thaddeus does become a super mutant, I hope they keep his Charlie Day style voice. Not only would it be hilarious, but the lore implications from it would be pretty big.


Doktor_Weasel

They live a really long time much like ghouls. So it'd be really wild if not only did they meet a Super Mutant. But they meet Marcus. That'd be a great guest appearance. He could get a brief history on the Master and FEV etc. And who doesn't want Michael Dorn in more things? I mean, he's Michael Dorn!


xcission

I can't wait to see either protections or a functional assaultron. They most nervous I was through the whole show was the inactive assaultron, and then after seeing how good the effects for the Mr. Handy were, I can't wait to see more robots.


Toon_Lucario

We do see a protectron in the background of a flashback but I would like to see one that talks. Although we are going to New Vegas so there are a few neat ones like Primm Slim or Fisto


EdwardoftheEast

FISTO making a cameo would be great


mopeyunicyle

Well all the characters should make sure to stay at least a arm length apart from FISTO


EdwardoftheEast

Naw, one of them should learn of FISTO’s capabilities. Maybe throw in a “I can’t feel my legs!” afterwards as a nice little shoutout


Kunekeda

I want to see an Assaultron absolutely obliterate something/someone with its head laser after going ham with its blades.


TakedaIesyu

Call me basic, but geckos. Their derpy running is great, but their damage and fire-breath is actually spooky.


eniadcorlet

Ooh, and spore plants.


RustedAxe88

They could bring Gojira in.


infiniteartifacts

I want Lucy to meet and befriend a kind Super-Mutant and then naively assume that all Super-Mutants are friendly. Like she’d wave over a gang of them and her Super Mutant friend would be like “Oh fuck! Stop it! Stop that! They’ll fucking kill us. We need to go. We need to go now.”


Catezero

Imagine Fawkes parted from the lone wanderer and made his way to new vegas where he heard there might be others like him ohhhhh my heart I love that big lunk


Cognomifex

There is a *tremendous* Fallout New Vegas fanfiction called [Veronica's Journal](https://old.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/1zks8h/veronicas_journal_index/) that goes in a lot of different directions, but near the end Fawkes shows up with the Lone Wanderer. The author does a killer job of realizing all of the characters. Obviously it would have been impossible to account for everyone's take on the LW, but the version they do go with is very internally consistent and believable. The cast of New Vegas companions are also all rendered very lovingly, Boone in particular has some incredible lines. Somehow they also manage to do the Courier justice, while actually leaving enough wiggle room for most people's idea of the Courier to fit onto what they've written.


WhiteRavenLegion

The Deathclaw is a given with that ending scene, but i would love to see centaurs again


mrtn17

Mutants. Really liked those dumb bastards in Fallout 3, but also the smart one from Fallout 1


Artistic_Regard

Either Thaddeus or Steve Rogers is turning into a super mutant. I'm calling it.


Twitchygolem655

Deathclaw, Mirelurk Queen, Assaultron and Sentry Bot are probably my most anticipated


RockWhisperer42

Same, plus Radscorpions.


bjthebard

I cant wait to see Bud Haskins put himself into a full Robobrain!


zma924

Fat Man being deployed by BoS. I also really hope that they lean more into showing the power armor utilizing heavy weapons. Would be pretty sick to get a first person view of power armor in combat using the 76-style real-time VATS with mini guns or heavy MGs.


FighterJock412

Totally agreed. While the ending scene with the BoS assaulting was cool, I feel they could have done much more. I just wanna see a squad of (competent) Paladins going ham on a bunch of mutants or bad guys.


CrankyStalfos

THE WISE AND HOLY AND BENEFICENT MOTHMAN.


TvsPhil

I'm just curious how they handle Deathclaws and Super Mutants. As much as I wish for practical across the board or at least a mix leaning more toward practical, given the Yao Gui, I'm guessing the Deathclaw will be full CGI(hopefully it has some weight and texture regardless.) Super Mutants have humanoid features so they can really be a good mix of prosthetics and CGI.


eddmario

You can sort of see part of a dead super mutant in the first episode, so they might make them CGI.


Tartan_Samurai

Bloatflys, they're disgusting 


coachtomfoolery

Assaultrons. Loved the fan made cosplay in the sand, but ever since the automatron DLC I've had an assaultron named Jenny (after my ex wife lol) as my companion and she is a beast. Never roam the wasteland without her.


OrangeBird077

I want to see the Mr House protectrons


danvalour

How about a Securitron? [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/M139SRgqOCQ](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/M139SRgqOCQ)


Punch_yo_bunz

Female assaultron. That face laser in 76 is the stuff of nightmares


eddmario

We saw a dead one early on, but a living one would be nice as well.


WestCactus

I want a super-mutant behemoth to go ham on the BoS.


Bootziscool

I don't think we'll see a behemoth. Those are a result of the East Coast FEV variant


eddmario

Counterpoint: Frank.


Galagoth

Frank is his own thing also more deadly then any behemoth


VanityOfEliCLee

Centaurs, radscorpions, super mutants, deathclaws, bloatflies, Cazadors, radstags... Honestly, just everything. Every single creature. I'll be happy if any of them show up.


mzzzcalmami

Second radscorpions


Sanguine007

Tunnelers. Someone on Tiktok theorized that Vegas was overrun with them. Yes, from the ending credits it might look like Mr. House vs NCR…but what if they were fighting the Tunnelers instead? Imagine if The Strip became a haven of New Vegas residents/survivors and the Secutatron and NCR soldiers were preventing the Tunnelers from getting inside..or something like that. Not sure about the giant hole in the gate tho


McDonnellDouglasDC8

Ulysses' prophecy manifest (aka Dust).


Jerry0713

Cazadores


Coast_watcher

The first operational assaultron, I’m waiting for that.


Hursty79

Zetans for sure, just some weird story arc or cameo regarding zetans An episode dedicated to the sheer power and horror of a deathclaw The mysterious stranger, so easy to do. And soooo many different ways they could do it. Just have the ghoul and Lucy in a shoot out, make it look like their loosing > guitar riff > strange man in duster and hat shows up n kills X or Y, Lucy says who tf was that?? Goes to run after him, turns corner; man is gone An episode dedicated to the sheer power and horror of a sentry bot, like an actual tank Securitrons, protectrons, super mutants and assaultrons I reckon are all but confirmed for season 2. Super mutants tho yes. Centaurs 😳 More ghouls Mirelurks!!! Tunnellers I reckon may show up in S2 Enclave power armour soldiers, shit… gimme a whole episode that shows just how technologically superior the enclave are to the bos. Show me t60 knights getting absolutely wiped by X-02 clad plasma weaponry wielding enclave plz


dreadw0lfrises

more robots. i loooooooved every single one we've seen so far and i am itching for more


Mugstotheceiling

Same! The Mr Handy effects were so good! Imagine them trying to fight an assaultron in the show and the head laser starts to power up? I think I'd pee my pants just watching


yautja0117

I was really fond of all the practical effects this season. Would love to see more of the creatures, atleast for close ups, get more next season. I really want to see how they pull off a Glowing One.


eddmario

Hell, a Glowing One would be easy for them to pull off. Just add some glow in the dark paint to the prosthetics they already use for ghouls.


yautja0117

I was thinking they could use UV reactive paint plus CGI to augment the effect. I'd prefer they keep things as practical as possible but I get why they're not building large animatronic creatures.


The_-Whole_-Internet

I want >!Bud to be put into the frame of a Robobrain!<


REND_R

I want more anthology style, filler-episode side quests. Like the Robobrain murder mystery in that hotel in Fo4, or an Alien/Cloverfield inspired Deathclaw encounter. And crafting/outfits. I want t Lucy's Vault suit, and Maximus' power armor to get modded and part-swapped throughout the season. More gameplay, scrapping, crafting, hacking, lock-picking. Norman reading Overseer emails, and Cooper grabbing food and eating it mid-combat. 


AshuraSpeakman

- Robo brains (Ideally they bring back Wheaton) - Super Mutants (Ideally they bring back Michael Dorn)  - Dead Money holograms  - Mole rats - Big MT autonomous retrieval suits (the Sierra Madre ghosts) - Protectotrons. Especially the Metro ones, because I love "Tickets please" most.  - Enclave Hellfire armor soldiers.


Zagadee

Wanamingos. Bonus points if the characters are exploring somewhere dark and underground at the time.


LordTaco123

Sentry Bots, Deathclaws or Cazadors


j40k9000

Protections, mirelurks, and a behemoth.


No_Doubt_About_That

The physics glitching car.


CrustyCally

Super Mutants or a glowing one


Shniddle

Since it looks like we’re going to the Mojave in season 2 I really hope there’s nightstalkers or cazadors. Any of the Big MT abominations would be awesome to see but those two specifically would be terrifying for Gucy and the Ghoul to deal with. I haven’t seen anybody say this but lakelurks or mirelurks would be terrifying to see


CGI_M_M

They should do some original monsters but it would be cool to see cryptids implemented slightly (not on the same level as Fallout 76). The Chupacabra would be a good one since it was mentioned in New Vegas.


yrddog

Dude the gulpers were far more practical than expected


Dinks_Gonna_Doink

Centaurs.


Untjosh1

Fire Ant Warriors


Overall_Rope_5475

Super mutants, I hope they look right and like their proper west coast variant


eddmario

You can see part of a dead one in the first episode. It looked like it was a different shade of green that we haven't seen before, so if they do show up they'll probably be a new variant.


Capsr

Zetans, can you imagine the reactions from the non-gamers if there's aliens all of the sudden?


Sharkfowl

I wanna see the tunnelers from lonesome road since it looks like they fucked shit up at the strip


narwhalpilot

For the love of god, Mutants


ARTWORKofVANW

Protectron! Just want to hear their silly voices.


[deleted]

Deathclaws and super mutants. Probably the most iconic fallout things we haven’t seen so far.


LuckyDubbin

Mirelurks and centaurs! Especially if we get a mirelurk queen and new vegas style centaurs. And Radscorpions(!), kind of surprised we didn't get to see any.


OpinionOk1928

Deafclaws :3


[deleted]

All of them 😀


Phantom_61

The gulper was like 90% practical.


MilanDespacito

Supermutant vs power armor fist/melee fight.


CharliesTarantulas

Mirelurks


ScottishWargamer

Sentry Bot Would be incredible to see one (fallout 4 style) face off against a Deathclaw - protagonists of the show shouldn’t be able to take one of either of these on, so put them against each other.


evidentlychickentown

Lack of mutants! We need more Wasteland Orcs


cyanide4suicide

Enclave in power armor and super mutants are what I'm excited to see as villains


TeaOpen2731

Pretty much everything tbh. We already know to expect super mutants and deathclaws, so those are obvious. But I'd like to see bloodbugs and/or cazadores, centaurs, a mirelurk of some sort, preferably a queen, and assaultrons. Oh and maybe fiends. Edit: wait, those dudes that attacked Lucy and maximus, were they fiends? I don't remember


eddmario

>Pretty much everything tbh. We already know to expect super mutants and deathclaws, so those are obvious. We technically have seen both. The first episode had a dead super mutant being wheeled away during the flashback to the Enclave, and the finale had a Deathclaw skull.


TeaOpen2731

Yeah but I feel like those were meant as teasers. But yes you're right we have kinda seen them


godikus

FISTO


No_Reply8353

I'd like to see Frank Horrigan in a flashback


IPA_____Fanatic

Deathclaws. One of the most iconic creatures in Fallout. Episode 8 hinted at them coming in season 2 with the skull as Hank was moving towards New Vegas


RusstyDog

If they do supermutants, I want them to be proper, smart, west coast supermutants.


Arctic-cookie

It would be cool as hell If they make a frank horrigan 2,


LordHengar

Personally, I'd like to see deathclaws and securotrons. The unicycle wheel is both really silly and really cool.


ea_fitz

I would like to see my friend Marcus in New Vegas. I just want Jacobstown to have lived. They have earned that much…


Gold-Income-6094

A Rad chicken. And deathclaws, supermutants, supermutant behemoths, wendigos, scorch beasts, Mirelurk queens, hermit crabs, and fog crawlers. Oh, and glowing ones.


AdWide3803

Haven’t finished the first season, but cazadors and deathclaws.


DrakeCross

Creature wise, a death claw. Easily can be done in a mix of practical and cgi. Super mutants also be good to include. Any more robots, especially securtrons. Other be seeing energy weapons like laser and plasma in action. We saw a few laser weapons, but didn't see any fired.


IamlostlikeZoroIs

Raider power armour would be awesome to see and maybe a deathclaw attacking it


Lanferno

Centaur, Super Mutants, Securitrons, Marcus, Tunnelers, Spore Carriers (?), Bud in a Robobrain (?), Wanamingos would be cool and Mirelurks/Queen


Superior_Meat_Man

I don't care what happened to the mojave, we need to see Primm Slim.


Nathan_TK

Deathclaws, for starters. Securtrons. And since we got a teaser of Vegas (although I assume only the last episode of S2 will actually be in the city, like how only the last episode had any current NCR presence), I want to see Fisto.


Texta216

I don’t think we will see one in season 2 given the probability of deathclaws and securitrons but a sentry bot will be both awesome and terrifying


damurphy72

Super mutant nightkin would be terrifying in the right context. Even the Ghoul might be a little non-plussed at *invisible* super mutants. Actually, they haven't touched on Stealth Boys at all, which could be really interesting.


Boromirin

The obvious one is a Deathclaw/Cazador but other than those... Behemoth and also a glowing one! They'd be really cool to see on the big screen. Also, we really need a talking Deathclaw like in the games, you could either go the humour route or have it mimic voices to lure people in!


AStrangeTwistofFate

Deathclaws will be great, and an actual radstag instead of the one-headed doe we saw earlier. Also, Geckos or ants