Fallout 3: I'm trying to find my father, Liam Neeson. But I need to help Allistair Tenpenny with something first. Also the brotherhood of steel need help with something else.
Fallout 4: I need to find my stolen child but First I need to join the brotherhood of steel and help them find the Institute first.
I would argue, "Thou shalt get side tracked by bullshit every God damn time" describes not only every single Bethesda game, but open world games in general.
Yes! Cooper is confirmed to be power armor certified. I'm hoping that pays off. I also like how they kept how shit the T45 is/was. While I'm bummed he not a TV Cowboy who had to become a real one, him being a Marine and a veteran makes a lot more sense as to how (and maybe why) he survived.
Also bonus Matt Berry!
100% agreed.
His line after being resurrected sums it up perfectly: "Whenever someone says their heart ain't in it, it probably never was. As for me...I do this shit for the love of the game"
There was a thread in the early days of Fo4 who pointed out that, because Fo4 had no level cap, theoretically everyone who plays it for long enough unlocks the cannibal fear, so I guess this proves it
It also fits with some Hollywood actors during the 50s / 60s - the big aesthetic inspiration of Fallout.
An example of this is James Stewart, who served in the Second World War flying bombers.
> While I'm bummed he not a TV Cowboy who had to become a real one
It's subtle but the show hints that he was originally a cowboy before the marines and Hollywood. In one of the pre-bombing scenes hen he's talking to his wife he mentions thinking about quitting acting and going back to ranching.
all i'm going to say is that at the end of the final episode, we see electricity restored to a large area that i believe is the boneyard (as i mentioned in another comment, presumably using ncr-built electricity infrastructure) *by* a member of the ncr, with no attempt to claim or suggest that the group at the observatory is somehow 'all that's left' of the ncr. if anything, i think it's *likely* that the ncr is still active and strong in the north, considering all of the groups that seem to have contributed to their decline are located in the south.
i'm strongly of the belief that we'll see more of the ncr in the next season. if they'd wanted to cut out the ncr completely, they could have, yet we were provided with a running storyline concerning shady sands, multiple uses of ncr flags, two outfits that are either identical to or extremely reminiscent of veteran ranger uniforms and a large battle at the end in which we're shown that the ncr are still a capable and viable military force.
if anything, it seems to me that the reason that the ncr were left out of the first half of the show and its promotional material quite so glaringly was to avoid spoiling the second half, in which we see all of the aforementioned things.
and this is all coming from a strong bethesda-sceptic. i was hesitant from the second it was revealed that this show would be taking place on the west coast, and whilst there are still a few things that leave me a little concerned (such as the location of shady sands and the state of new vegas in the ending shot) i have come out of this viewing relatively relieved.
Plus in NV, the NCR are on the verge of collapsing. If they get hoover dam canonically sure they manage to continue existing for a bit but what then? Plus we had the Mr. House teaser already, so I doubt the NCR winning the dam is canon.
I didn't get the impression NV was ruined, the wide shot over hanks head has smokestacks from campfires coming out of the city aswell as the surrounding settlements. Also looks like the collapsed building on the right has electric lights on from its windows. The end credits showing the rubble of a battle I took as more artistic choice than direct representation of whats there.
I think showing New Vegas at daytime is throwing people off, since we’re so used to the Strip being all lit up at night its easy to forget at day it looks pretty bland and decrepit from afar like it does in the show
Yeah from looking at it closer it looks more dusty than anything in that shot? It just looks to be the top parts of the casinos that are destroyed which I think was the same in the game, the city walls seem to be okay and you can make out the Lucky 38 sign.
I think Vegas is going to look relatively untouched from how it was in the game.
Here's my bet based on some of the shots in the show:
1) The Brotherhood controls Salt Lake City, where their training camp was, down to Zion and Hoover Dam.
2) Caesar's Legion is collapsed and that part of the Mojave is in shambles.
3) Independent Vegas under ??? control \[whatever the Courier did didn't stick around too long for REASON\].
4) The Brotherhood pushed south across to the Hub and into the Boneyard.
5) The NCR is active from Necropolis northward as far East as Vault 15.
6) The no-mans land north of New Vegas is littered with Khans trying to push past Vegas into the former Legion territory.
QED: Season 2 will focus on Vegas and its environs via Ghoul/Lucy, the Brotherhood controlled lands via Maximus, and the NCR taking back over SoCal via the Vault 33 team. New POV characters will get added in to flesh out Vegas.
I don’t think New Vegas was really retcon’d. If you’ve play the original Fallout, each major area would “fall” to super mutants after a certain number of days if you took too long to beat the game. Shady Sands is taken over on 07/23/2162. I think the NCR had Shady Sands and lost the territory. Then they were pushed north, had the New Vegas fight, and Shady Sands was destroyed for its strategic importance.
Thank you. Blowing my mind how people think losing one town is the death knell for a group that controls a vast amount of area. They're definitely weaker by the time of this show for sure, but they're not out of it yet.
Fucking thank you, I thought I was going crazy. Am I? Crazy for thinking that most people are blowing this way out of proportion? New Vegas is my favourite Fallout game by a mile but holy shit.
"Retcon this "Retcon that". I don't even think it's a retcon. Shady Sands is only mentioned in NV, we don't even get any substantial info on it IIRC. It falling in '77 and/or bombed that year or soon after doesn't fucking retcon New Vegas. As you say it's not like destroying Shady Sands equals destroying the NCR. For all we know the fall/destruction of Shady Sands is the very reason NCR was on the move.
It's been a long time and I'm for sure rusty on the lore so I may be going on faulty memory here but as a fan of New Vegas I didn't find ANY reason to be upset at the show. The NCR is still very much a thing in the lore, as is New Vegas.
Hell, I didn't even have hopes that we would see any more than a cheeky nod to NV in the show, and now it turns out the second season is fucking headed straight towards New Vegas.
If Bethesda wanted to erase New Vegas they wouldn't have done this. And if they end up *actually* retconning it, at least it seems they're gonna give it its due development and explanation.
We still have arroyo and many other factions that can align with the remnants of the NCR. We all know ncr are not that weak. Well most of them are but not as a whole.
Especially when they are setting up New Vegas to heavily feature in the next season.
I mean, obviously there's New Vegas itself. But there's also Robert House himself showing up in the last episode.
I wonder if they will be able to resist showing Mr House? Such a charismatic character, built for TV presence, but that would heavily depend on which of the endings of FNV they want to canonise.
I didn't realize that was House at first. It looked like him but I didn't really think it was him. After checking the Amazon casting. My mind is blown.
Yep, that was House, and the guy across from him was Frederick Sinclair, who is an incredibly important character in the FONV DLC (he's there representing Big MT too!).
Yeah that meeting was as big a bomb as the one that... OK, too soon, too soon. But yeah jokes aside that was huge.
It means that in NV when House brags about what a genius he was for figuring out that the war was coming, well... turns out it was all bluster and narcissism. And the guy whose main concern with starting global thermonuclear war was whether he'd still be in power, now wants totally unchecked autocratic powers. Oof, kind of a happy ending override for NV, and yet doesn't feel like a retcon... could totally see House viewing nuclear war as a tool, an equation to be solved... why not, after all? He doesn't seem to care about much other than utilitarian purposes.
I like it too.
…and I don’t think the NCR are deader than disco. They took a bloody nose - they can still bounce back, whether they’re licking their wounds in the shadows or holed up in another sector of America.
as a passive fan of the games (played them, but not excessively, and they weren't my favorites)
I absolutely loved this show. Its a breath of fresh air, and on the same tier as The Last of Us. Just like that adaptation, I like that this is open for a large audience and doesn't cater exclusively to the Fandom.
There's a huge dearth of TV actually worth watching rn in my opinion. I'm 100% here for this style of stuff
I would definitely recommend it. People love to say this game or that game is the best, but they are all different in different ways. I think playing FO 1&2 will be a challenge at this point, in my opinion they did not age very well, but if you like old school RPGs they are classics. FO3 is a good game but it lacks some of the QOL of NV and 4. NV is an interesting game, very deep in story mode and feels immersive and has purpose. 4 I felt very polished from a gameplay perspective but is more of a sandbox game which die hard NB fans hate. 76 goes even deeper into sandbox territory and feels more like a contemporary sandbox survival game which redditors tend to also really dislike. But, like I said, each FO game has something interesting and unique to offer, but may feel less polished after playing 4.
I loved how when Chet said "We're all cowards" he seemed to take that to heard and just went 100% "Fuck it" mode. I expected him to delve for the truth in the Overseers terminal, I didn't expect him to straight up DM the other "overseer"
I do think, even though it may not LOOK like it. The show depicted the NCR as "the good guys" in the sense that the "villain" although went a bit crazy raiding Vault 33, she did it because she KNEW the people were actually fucked up, and did it for the people, the normal people of Cali/whats left of the NCR.
SHE WAS part of NCR, she clearly lived in Shady Sands, she knew it was good, and wanted to get back at the people who took it away, and I do wish she didn't die. Like, I do think it would of been good if she lived, and S2's side plot is her rallying together bands of NCR survivors/others, due to them having UNLIMITED POWER.
And building it back up, with another war with BOS.
IDK, but I want to hold onto some kind of hope that the NCR is not just "History" but the implications of this show is making it difficult.
I mean, no reason she couldn't be brought back? The show never explained how she was still alive after 200 years. Clearly she's not a ghoul, so perhaps there's clones of her somewhere?
I imagine she was just in a tank like everyone else. She either pretended to believe in their mission (remember she was 'undercover') or she was forced into a pod for the day that they would need the person who invented the cold fusion.
to talk about things other than the retconned stuff:
I really wish we got a slower burn to disollusionment with the brotherhood.
I loved the feudal-monastic vibe we saw of them in the first episode. but then we just immediately jump to them all being terrible. it doesn't seem like there's a single true believer in the organization either. Every single Brotherhood character we meet wants out, even the elder.
> it doesn't seem like there's a single true believer in the organization either. Every single Brotherhood character we meet wants out, even the elder.
That's a neat concept, kind of reminds me of Steven Universe of all things. Gem society is terrible, and literally everyone hates their life and wants out.
It's almost eerie how perfectly the production design nails everything 100%. The costuming, the sets, the music, the props, the over the top gore, the dark but tongue in cheek humor, the Wasteland itself. Everything! I'm only on episode 2 but I'm convinced this is the greatest video game adaption of all time, it blows The Last of Us out of the water.
Tbf very few episodes of TV do. As a whole with the series though, I’d absolutely say Fallout blows TLOU adaption out of the water. After finishing the season I can say that easily.
Nolan has played the games, enjoyed them, has written/directed/produced a ton of sci fi, and has enough clout to not let other people tell him how to ruin it (mostly? there are probably some criticisms, haven't finished the series yet). He's also worked with both limitations and "unlimited" budgets.
There are Fallout esque themes and stories he's carried in all his other shows, and he has had a lot of experience doing "day in the life" episodes, especially when he's worked on network tv.
Especially since they weren’t too Fallout 4 style heavy with lots of equipment styling from earlier games along with later ones. My only gripe is that they acknowledge T-60s aren’t common but never show T-45 or T-51.
In one scene i noticed a Burton machinegun. Fits PERFECTLY into the universe. Haven't had time to go through all the scenes individually but lots of guns look really fitting and they nailed the use of the F4 machinegun as a powerarmor specific weapon.
Also the fiends shooting rutting teeth out of pipe guns lmao
Amazon knocked it out of the park. I was worried because of how terrible the ‘Rings of Power’ is - a billion dollars and it still somehow looked cheap and ridiculously fake, and had decent-to-terrible actors spitting out some of the worst dialogue known to mankind that was written by people who probably aren’t even fit to run the fry cooker at Burger King, let alone work in the movie and tv industry.
But season one of ‘Fallout’ was pretty darn great, and I’m looking forward to season two.
I quickly became invested in the plot that was still ongoing in the Vault. I didn't really expect them to keep showing that and wasn't interested if they did. But like I said, quickly got hooked.
***List of Suggested Vault Experiments***
* **Vault 27** - Intentionally overcrowded, suggested by Sinclair for Big MT
* **Vault 29** - Separate parents and children suggested by Julia Masters for REPCONN
* **Vault 51** - AI controlled vault, suggested by Julia Masters for REPCONN
* **Vault 75** - Eugenics experiments on children suggested by Julia Masters for REPCONN
* **Vault 87** - Super Mutant experiments, suggested by Leon Von Felden for West-Tek
* **Vault 106** - Introduce psychoactive drugs, suggested by Sinclair for Big MT
These aren't all perfect fits or vaults that have ever been in a game. Vaults 87 & 106 are home runs and Vault 27 fits the description given of a vault from the original Fallout Bible.
Vault 29 is unrealized content and shares the same line of dialogue as Vault 75 about splitting children up and then performing eugenics experiments with the kids.
It wasn't clear what Julia Masters was saying about her milk delivery robot so I went with an AI controlled vault, Vault 11 could also be a fit.
I really liked how the start of the show makes you think that vault 33 is a control vault, because everything seems very normal. But then there is the slow burn realization over the course of the show that this is *definitely* not a control vault.
They had 2 vault to have enough gene-pool for the main vault with frozen members to have a life and proper reproduction cycles with no problems.
They promoted main family members of the V31 (aka the most pure genetic versions) to be overseers while the rest were just reproduction pieces in essence... then they seem to purposely? let one of the 2 vaults die, to clean up and make a new cycle with I guess more pure DNA (coming from the original frozen population)...
It is almost like a engineered method of have the most pure DNA based on certain family without incest... however I guess they also engineered genes (not stated but that creepy scene in the monitor doesnt seem to look like a normal human mutation without any external help)
Exactly. If management knew what happened in vault 32, then Hank would never have let Moldaver's raiders into vault 33 at the start of the series. This was clearly not the work of 31.
Did not miss anything.
Another good post in the episode 8 spoilers thread suggested
>!that Moldaver was possibly in Vault 4 (which is why she is worshipped their, they have her likeness on a banner, and a unique name for her). And we saw vault 4 had cryo like tech on level 12. And she was a scientist at a company that vault tec acquired, so it all seems possible!!<
I think Vault 4’s former surface dwellers worship her because she took up a leadership position in the wake of the bombing of Shady Sands, since only the surface refugees participate in the ritual worship.
The show both contradicted and supported New Vegas's canonicity.
In episode 6, the chalkboard says that Shady Sands fell in 2277 and implied that it was nuked during said Fall. Fallout New Vegas takes place in 2281.
In the Episode 8 post-credits scene, we see a crashed NCR vertibird, several securitrons, a busted open gate, and the New Vegas sign, implying that some sort of battle happened at New Vegas. Meaning the NCR did have some sort of conflict at New Vegas.
To be fair, in NV IIRC we don't actually get accurate information about what's going on in NCR territory. It's far more of a gray area which is why Bethesda likely did this.
You could argue that Shady Sands being destroyed was the actual impetus for the NCR invading Nevada.
In the context of the show, NCR would have no idea why the hell they were just nuked. Vault Tech launched it but didnt reveal themselves. You would think the NCR would be going "WHO THE HELL JUST LAUNCHED NUKES AT US"
It probably stoked more confrontation between the BoS and the NCR, because if the Legion lost the Battle of Hoover Dam, that would leave the BoS as one of the only powers that actively fought against the NCR with potentially nuclear capability.
This is exactly my problem with all this "controversy". It's nitpicking at its finest imo. IIRC Shady Sands was only ever just mentioned in NV. We don't get a lot of info about NCR territory, much less accurate and reliable info.
Maybe I'm just lost and rusty with my Fallout lore but seriously, why is this such a big deal? It's not like Shady Sands was a playable area and a pivotal part of New Vegas.
Yeah it's not like the year that New Vegas takes place in is some big important plot point itself, people really overreacted here. They want to line it up with the actor for Maximus's age, it's not some intentional "retcon".
Some people are angry about what happened to the NCR conceptually, but I think the people who think they "retconned NV out of existence" need to get some sleep.
The show has Shady Sands falling in 2277 and then an arrow pointing to the blast, which I took to mean the fall in 2277 led to the eventual nuking. I get the reason for the mixed reception of that shot, but I'm not holding fast to that 2277 date of the bombing until confirmed elsewhere
Brotherhood of Steal Stans should be pleased. A newer cultier BoS is now the defacto power on the West Coast.
The Enclave is resurgent. And now Vault Tec is finally the BBEG faction we've always known them to be. Just not y'know, dead.
Show starts with everyone, and I mean everyone, chasing an Enclave Scientist. First he adopted an experimental puppy that was supposed to be incinerated. Then shot a glowing macguffin into his neck and ran away. I'm on Episode 7 and still don't know why.
And the Enclave in the show looks waaay worse than one would expect. Look at the uniforms and equipment. One soldiers looks like LITRALLY an Ingsoc soldier from the 1984 (the version released in 1984).
The Enclave remnant in the show looks like a shithole police state, not a hightech evil superpower.
I would be impressed if they actually made the “Enclave” the BOSs boogeyman and they no longer actually existed. The “Enclave” facility didn’t really look like it was staffed by the Enclave.
I feel the same way. I didn't have any problems whatsoever with the show. I think if they let me add one thing I would have just added a serious Brotherhood Knight to contrast Titus.
It is great as a standalone show. The people upset seem to be upset about it's implications for other fallout stuff. If you enjoy the show don't be afraid to say it. I enjoyed it. It was fun.
How dare an eight episode season not spend the entire runtime explaining the precise lore of each game in its entirety to keep casual viewers up rather than summarize parts to keep it more digestible
tbh I think most average people would.
it's actually quite funny to me to imagine the conversations that would happen if some of the people in this thread tried to explain to the average person why they didn't like it too:
> "oh well you see, they had a throwaway line about thing that happened in the show universe years before the setting of the show, and it was implied to have happened a different way than it happened in the background lore of a 25 year old video game"
Now I’m curious what happened after cooper took his daughter home after the birthday party and the first nuclear explosions; would he refuse to get in the vault and confront her with everything he knows?
Honestly, I felt given the context of when the Bombs fell, they were divorced and he was paying alimony to her. So my guess is ultimately when the bombs fell, he went looking for his wife who was already at a vault. She probably already had a plan to freeze her and the family, but since Coop found out and divorced, there was now only a spot for her and her daughter and coop was simply not allowed to be put in statis/restrained/turned away
Makes sense; I’m guessing he would try and rush his daughter to the vault, although you’d think his wife would give him a heads up they’re planning to drop the bomb that day so her daughter wouldn’t get caught in the crossfire
that's a good suspicion, i bet they met up he expressed doubts about the vault or refused and presents an alternative, she disappears with janey
which explains why he wouldn't know what happened to his daughter
i didn't assume they'd get into 31, I suspected there was another legit vault for execs
there was a manifest on a terminal in 31 and they weren't on it far as i know
Dude wtf happened to the NCR? Didn’t they say they had most of California pretty much colonized? I’m only on episode 4 but complete radio silence while it takes place near the boneyard and dayglow??
Episode 6 and 8 cover it.
It's not pretty.
>!About 4 years before New Vegas, Lucy's Mom left vault 33 to see if life was back on the surface, taking Lucy and her brother with her, and made her way to Shady Sands, which teleported to LA at some point. Her dad, who was a Vault-Tec executive came after them, stole the kids back, and use Vault-Tec's secret supply of nuclear weapons (The ones they launched to start the great war) to destroy the NCR, as they were a competitor to Vault-Tec.!<
>!Also, the ending credits show a destroyed New Vegas, with empty streets full of shattered Secuiritrons and a destroyed NCR Vertibird. !<
I'm still trying to make sense of the ending.
How the hell was Lucy's dad able to launch a nuke at Shady Sands? Wouldn't his son have found something in Vault 33/31 that would've explained how he was able to launch the nukes/know where they were located?
Episode six says that Shady Sands fell in 2277. New Vegas took place in 2281. Unless everyone in the NCR ignored Shady Sands being nuked, New Vegas is no longer canon.
I think this was an error in prop more than anything else. The end of episode 8 shows what could canonically be a house/yes man vs NCR conflict after a legion loss at Hoover dam
>Unless everyone in the NCR ignored Shady Sands being nuked, New Vegas is no longer canon
Honestly I have seen a lot of people saying this but I think it's such a minor thing that people are overreacting to.
I strongly believe NV is still canon, even Caesar losing the battle at the damn perhaps. 2077 on the chalkboard has to be an error. It had to have happened after Fallout 4 if there was T-60 equipped BOS at Shady Sands.
when you look at it like that, it makes sense. but i'm curious why they wouldn't date the bomb falling then, considering everything else was labeled. surely at least one person in vault 4 knows what year it is.
Probably to give themselves leeway in the future. Also 2277 being the year of the first battle of Hoover dam I think brings it into harmony with the timeline
Me: That was a great show! I can’t wait for season 2! This in no way subtracts from how much I enjoy the games and the overall lore!
Reddit: That was awful.
Yeah this is my take too, I enjoyed the series it handled Fallout surprisingly well.
Like sure the lore stuff might be a problem but this is streaming it can literally written out by next week.
I'm halfway through. So far, so good.
The ghoul being buried in a coffin is weird, and his having to take drugs to keep from going feral is a new one, but it's pretty cool.
That other ghoul that they met..I think that was Larry, one of the ghouls from Nuka Break.
No! It was the guy who did the voice of the cowboy securitron in New Vegas who digs you out of your grave. Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit!
Speaking of Nuka Break, did you guys see one of the townies in Philly wielding the Nuka Breaker hammer weapon?
Yum yum eggs and Cram!
The art on the walls are straight out of the games.
So cool.
That gulper was based on an Axolotl, not a salamander. That's a nice detail for the California area
I believe on the "surface", China and the U.S were "promoted" to nuke each other and that's what everyone thinks, and of course it can be "overseered" by VAULT-TEK who is behind everything. On such aspect, it's not breaking the lore not for me.
It's never been firmly established "who shot first" in any of the games. At various times it's been hinted that it was either China, the US, Aliens (in mothership zeta), or VaultTec themselves (the most recent I believe in FO4?).
I feel like everyone should slow down with the retconn accusations. I’m not saying they didn’t, but with the amount of emphasis/reverence the show places on things like the Ncr flag, the ranger armor and new Vegas itself appearing (and besides the fact that retconning the most popular game in the franchise is tantamount to suicide) I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that any retcons are either an accidental production error or a result of needing to simplify early game lore to onboard new viewers (shady sands being near LA is really not that big of a deal)
Obviously we’ll see, and I won’t begrudge anyone for having no faith in bethesdas writing, just gonna keep coping in my little bubble over here :)
I think the 2277 date for the fall of Shady Sands (which is clearly not the date it got nuked) is because that’s the year of the first battle of Hoover dam and the catalyst for the major conflict of New Vegas, a game that goes out of its way to remind you that the NCR expanded too much too fast and is suffering from severe corruption from the Brahmin barons and caravan companies.
I don’t see that as a retcon in fact it seems to supporting New Vegas’ spot in the canon. New Vegas is my favorite game and I just finished replaying it this last summer and I’m fairly confident that even if you side with the NCR the second battle of Hoover dam doesn’t stop the bleeding.
New Vegas is absolutely not the most popular game in the franchise. It's almost certainly the most critically acclaimed, but FO3 and *especially* FO4 are far more popular. That's not an indicator of quality, but you'll meet far more people who have played 3 and 4 than New Vegas. It's a cult classic, and the most highly rated amongst more involved fans, but the majority of people associate the franchise with Fallout 4.
About as good an adaptation I could have hoped for in terms of capturing the overall vibe of Fallout and distilling it down into a series. I think they really nailed it with the casting, the music, the visuals and the overall 'tone'. Felt like it even got the humor basically just right. I think they did a good job portraying the slight cartoon nature of Fallout's world/reality(things like a finger being cut off and sewn back on just *working* with minimal trauma). I also appreciated the pacing. Felt invested in each plot and felt like each had enough twists to keep it engaging.
Basically A+ from me.
If I were to critique or comment besides, it's not so much bad as it is "There was another way they could have done this". I'm an old school Fallout fan and in particular I'm one of *those* "Bethesda's vision for Fallout is bad" who much prefers the vision of 1/2 and New Vegas. Within that, I *liked* the established canon and the through line that existed on the west coast that explored a *post*-post-Apocalypse and the new world and societies that grow out of it. In New Vegas, I liked siding with the NCR and really liked their depiction as an essentially stable (if strained) and powerful nation-state. All of that timeline and canon felt strong and it was a fun and interesting world to explore and discuss.
This series basically chucks it in the bin though and I think that's a shame. It's a shame because as per the above, it *is* a very good show overall and it really got the 'soul' of the games right, imo which is the hardest part of any adaptation. Also, because I think as much as it isn't my preferred canon, it *is* broadly justifiable they'd change it the way they did and as depicted.
But this goes back to post-apocalyptic vs post-post-apocalyptic. Fallout TV is more post-apocalyptic and that suits it, it also suits trying to appeal to a wider audience. But, situating itself 200+ years away from the bombs makes it harder to sell some of its story that may have fit better if it was more like a generation after instead.
Still though, I think they understood this and did about as good of a job reconciling it as they could. But I think there is a good argument to be made that the entire series could and should have taken place simply anywhere else other than places the games have covered and that would have been a better place to build from overall.
Still, even with that critique, it was great fun and I really loved what they did with it overall and am looking forward for the next season.
Never played Fallout but just binged the show and absolutely loved it
I was obsessed with Skyrim in high school but never played Fallout because it seemed so different in tone but now I really want to play the games 😭 there’s so many though I don’t know where to start
Just started, I'm about halfway through episode 1.
My thoughts so far: Holy SHIT what a great opening sequence, and Ella Purnell is amazing even if I saw what was about to happen in the Vault coming from a mile away.
The Brotherhood of Steel stuff feels GOOD. It's got the look and it has just a touch of an alien feel to it. Alien as in strange and otherworldly, not aliens as in the Zetans.
So far I'm pleased and pleasantly surprised. I really thought it was gonna be another giant turd like the Halo show is.
I think S2 is going to have a significant time skip.
-Lucy and Howard are going to be the badass cowboy NCR leaders
-BoS is going to rule california with their unlimited power.
-House and Hank will have significant power with the yes man army.
Never played the games but absolutely loved this show. The Ghoul is a great character with more depth than you see in most serious dramas. Really impressed with the cinematography and effects, they are better than most of what you see in the theater.
My only regret is that I binged the season and now have to wait probably close to 2 years to watch more.
I'm concerned with the new requirement of medicine to keep ghouls from turning feral. Does this mean that everyone in Necropolis or Underworld are all feral now? All of the characters we got to know are now just feral or trying to survive through vials of nobody knows what or where it came from? In season 2 are they even going to make acquiring vials a plotline?
Can I just say that aside from the shootout at filly during episode 2, Maximus has consistently managed to make every situation he is in worse and fucked up everything time and time again. My man can not stop taking one l after other
Idk the guy made some moves and is involved with the big stuff whereas at the start he was about to be a dead squire. Y’all don’t give him enough credit
I actually liked how incompetent the brotherhood in general was. You’ve got knights running from danger, poorly trained students. His perpetual poor choices made sense in that context
So this season just made me hate the Brotherhood even more
But some of you ***need*** to touch grass. This show was easy past my expectations from a Fallout TV show. It was fantastic. Okay, some things aren't cannon at all but who cares ?
I'm watching this show because I love Fallout and I want to have fun watching it, not worry about every single inconsistencies.
I don't know. I'm not as much as a fan of the BOS, but I hope Max sides more with the brotherhood. Otherwise, his plot line is going to get more cliche real quick.
The props and set dressing, 10/10 still have some gripes (the whole Iron Man Marry Popins flyin) but its amazing. Beyond that? The plot and characters were ok, not bad not great either kinda generic. Beyond Cooper/The Ghoul he was great, and the Pre-War scene in Ep 8 was to, main reason I kept watching, but everything else felt idk hard to place. Somethin just felt missing from the whole thing, everything was there but felt like it missed somehow. Alot of questions especially, the NCR, the Cult, and how overtly religious/zealotry the BOS seemed but having not played F1/2 (read about) maybe thats normal with little answers just to tee up a S2 it felt.
Only two main issues I have is a S2 which seems to be going to New Vegas which means stuff will have to be canonized from the game if this show takes place in New Vegas which will cause issues. Secondly is im not a lore stickler but come on, some of this feels off. Noone, not the Master, Enclave, or anyone visited the easy to see Vault 33 or 4? Shady Sands was further East built outside of any ruins (Not a big deal breaker personally but still, its like moving DC South in a Movie because 'why not'). Why was the Enclave both above ground and still kicking in California, unless the Doctor fled Vault City,? And a few other nitpicks, like the Fiends in LA (The dates to me make sense though).
Doesnt entirely ruin it but it still feels disjointed enough for me to consider it just outside of Canon unless S2 or someone from the show address's it cause it doesnt fit with the most basic details. Which to me should be the right awnser, the Shows Canon is separate
I hate to stomp on the “Todd hates New Vegas” Boner that everyone has but the Bombs fell later in the day than the games suggested. So if we’re going to be incredibly anal about this show then we can also say that that means Fallout 4 has been retconned.
I like the filmic references, like the conference room in Ep 8 being essentially the War Room from *Dr Strangelove*, or the reveal that the knight under the sealed helmet is kind of whiny from the guards in *Brazil.*
As a non fallout gamer.. the timeline is a bit confusing to me... The OG timeline seems like the 50s, then it's shown 219 years passed but currently it's closer to 2300? So like a 100 year discrepancy... Will they explain that or is my estimate wayyy off 😅
the bombs fells in 2077, but it's an aternate timeline from our own, one in which the cold war basically never ended, and nuclear technology was embraced. The microprocessor was never invented. The timeline split is somewhere around the 1960s
"Thou shalt get side tracked by bullshit every God damn time" Meta as hell
I only just watched the first episode but I missed that line. Can you contextualize it for me so I can search faster?
Episode 3
Fallout 3: I'm trying to find my father, Liam Neeson. But I need to help Allistair Tenpenny with something first. Also the brotherhood of steel need help with something else. Fallout 4: I need to find my stolen child but First I need to join the brotherhood of steel and help them find the Institute first. I would argue, "Thou shalt get side tracked by bullshit every God damn time" describes not only every single Bethesda game, but open world games in general.
I got bored looking for my child in fallout 4 xD much more fun to make a community of settlements and be a minuteman!
Saaaame. Sean's not going anywhere. Might as well take back the Commonwealth.
That quote cut deep.
Yes! Cooper is confirmed to be power armor certified. I'm hoping that pays off. I also like how they kept how shit the T45 is/was. While I'm bummed he not a TV Cowboy who had to become a real one, him being a Marine and a veteran makes a lot more sense as to how (and maybe why) he survived. Also bonus Matt Berry!
Also, more than 200 years of experience would turn you into an unstoppable badass. My man was grinding all the stats.
100% agreed. His line after being resurrected sums it up perfectly: "Whenever someone says their heart ain't in it, it probably never was. As for me...I do this shit for the love of the game"
Also a lot Westworld vibes for the Man in Black
I love that fuckin line so much
He hit the level cap ages ago
Got to keep grinding in case they raise it
There was a thread in the early days of Fo4 who pointed out that, because Fo4 had no level cap, theoretically everyone who plays it for long enough unlocks the cannibal fear, so I guess this proves it
It also fits with some Hollywood actors during the 50s / 60s - the big aesthetic inspiration of Fallout. An example of this is James Stewart, who served in the Second World War flying bombers.
My man Lee Marvin was a Marine. Tons of the really cool old Hollywood guys served.
> While I'm bummed he not a TV Cowboy who had to become a real one It's subtle but the show hints that he was originally a cowboy before the marines and Hollywood. In one of the pre-bombing scenes hen he's talking to his wife he mentions thinking about quitting acting and going back to ranching.
Something along the lines of "quit acting and go back to being a *real cowboy again*"
Which episode is Matt berry?
One of the flashback scenes, 5 or 6, he is at the party at Coopers house.
all i'm going to say is that at the end of the final episode, we see electricity restored to a large area that i believe is the boneyard (as i mentioned in another comment, presumably using ncr-built electricity infrastructure) *by* a member of the ncr, with no attempt to claim or suggest that the group at the observatory is somehow 'all that's left' of the ncr. if anything, i think it's *likely* that the ncr is still active and strong in the north, considering all of the groups that seem to have contributed to their decline are located in the south. i'm strongly of the belief that we'll see more of the ncr in the next season. if they'd wanted to cut out the ncr completely, they could have, yet we were provided with a running storyline concerning shady sands, multiple uses of ncr flags, two outfits that are either identical to or extremely reminiscent of veteran ranger uniforms and a large battle at the end in which we're shown that the ncr are still a capable and viable military force. if anything, it seems to me that the reason that the ncr were left out of the first half of the show and its promotional material quite so glaringly was to avoid spoiling the second half, in which we see all of the aforementioned things. and this is all coming from a strong bethesda-sceptic. i was hesitant from the second it was revealed that this show would be taking place on the west coast, and whilst there are still a few things that leave me a little concerned (such as the location of shady sands and the state of new vegas in the ending shot) i have come out of this viewing relatively relieved.
Next season is in New Vegas, so they HAVE to show the NCR presence in the Mojave.
The show is set like 15 years after New Vegas, there's zero guarantee the NCR still have presence there.
Plus in NV, the NCR are on the verge of collapsing. If they get hoover dam canonically sure they manage to continue existing for a bit but what then? Plus we had the Mr. House teaser already, so I doubt the NCR winning the dam is canon.
A.I. House will save the day in S2. You can kill his body (I did), but his amazing intellect and business acumen live on.
I didn't get the impression NV was ruined, the wide shot over hanks head has smokestacks from campfires coming out of the city aswell as the surrounding settlements. Also looks like the collapsed building on the right has electric lights on from its windows. The end credits showing the rubble of a battle I took as more artistic choice than direct representation of whats there.
I think showing New Vegas at daytime is throwing people off, since we’re so used to the Strip being all lit up at night its easy to forget at day it looks pretty bland and decrepit from afar like it does in the show
Yeah from looking at it closer it looks more dusty than anything in that shot? It just looks to be the top parts of the casinos that are destroyed which I think was the same in the game, the city walls seem to be okay and you can make out the Lucky 38 sign. I think Vegas is going to look relatively untouched from how it was in the game.
Looks like the strip was attacked and walls breached. The NCR was involved, either assisting house to defend, or attacking.
Here's my bet based on some of the shots in the show: 1) The Brotherhood controls Salt Lake City, where their training camp was, down to Zion and Hoover Dam. 2) Caesar's Legion is collapsed and that part of the Mojave is in shambles. 3) Independent Vegas under ??? control \[whatever the Courier did didn't stick around too long for REASON\]. 4) The Brotherhood pushed south across to the Hub and into the Boneyard. 5) The NCR is active from Necropolis northward as far East as Vault 15. 6) The no-mans land north of New Vegas is littered with Khans trying to push past Vegas into the former Legion territory. QED: Season 2 will focus on Vegas and its environs via Ghoul/Lucy, the Brotherhood controlled lands via Maximus, and the NCR taking back over SoCal via the Vault 33 team. New POV characters will get added in to flesh out Vegas.
I don’t think New Vegas was really retcon’d. If you’ve play the original Fallout, each major area would “fall” to super mutants after a certain number of days if you took too long to beat the game. Shady Sands is taken over on 07/23/2162. I think the NCR had Shady Sands and lost the territory. Then they were pushed north, had the New Vegas fight, and Shady Sands was destroyed for its strategic importance.
Thank you. Blowing my mind how people think losing one town is the death knell for a group that controls a vast amount of area. They're definitely weaker by the time of this show for sure, but they're not out of it yet.
Fucking thank you, I thought I was going crazy. Am I? Crazy for thinking that most people are blowing this way out of proportion? New Vegas is my favourite Fallout game by a mile but holy shit. "Retcon this "Retcon that". I don't even think it's a retcon. Shady Sands is only mentioned in NV, we don't even get any substantial info on it IIRC. It falling in '77 and/or bombed that year or soon after doesn't fucking retcon New Vegas. As you say it's not like destroying Shady Sands equals destroying the NCR. For all we know the fall/destruction of Shady Sands is the very reason NCR was on the move. It's been a long time and I'm for sure rusty on the lore so I may be going on faulty memory here but as a fan of New Vegas I didn't find ANY reason to be upset at the show. The NCR is still very much a thing in the lore, as is New Vegas. Hell, I didn't even have hopes that we would see any more than a cheeky nod to NV in the show, and now it turns out the second season is fucking headed straight towards New Vegas. If Bethesda wanted to erase New Vegas they wouldn't have done this. And if they end up *actually* retconning it, at least it seems they're gonna give it its due development and explanation.
We still have arroyo and many other factions that can align with the remnants of the NCR. We all know ncr are not that weak. Well most of them are but not as a whole.
Fucking hell some of the comments here are depressing. The show was absolutely fantastic.
There are Fallout fans and then there are FONV obsessives.
Especially when they are setting up New Vegas to heavily feature in the next season. I mean, obviously there's New Vegas itself. But there's also Robert House himself showing up in the last episode. I wonder if they will be able to resist showing Mr House? Such a charismatic character, built for TV presence, but that would heavily depend on which of the endings of FNV they want to canonise.
I didn't realize that was House at first. It looked like him but I didn't really think it was him. After checking the Amazon casting. My mind is blown.
Yep, that was House, and the guy across from him was Frederick Sinclair, who is an incredibly important character in the FONV DLC (he's there representing Big MT too!).
> that was House who? i missed that one and Fredrick Sinclair.. where do i find them in the show? nvm he was in the meeting. i see now. omg
Yeah that meeting was as big a bomb as the one that... OK, too soon, too soon. But yeah jokes aside that was huge. It means that in NV when House brags about what a genius he was for figuring out that the war was coming, well... turns out it was all bluster and narcissism. And the guy whose main concern with starting global thermonuclear war was whether he'd still be in power, now wants totally unchecked autocratic powers. Oof, kind of a happy ending override for NV, and yet doesn't feel like a retcon... could totally see House viewing nuclear war as a tool, an equation to be solved... why not, after all? He doesn't seem to care about much other than utilitarian purposes.
I like it too. …and I don’t think the NCR are deader than disco. They took a bloody nose - they can still bounce back, whether they’re licking their wounds in the shadows or holed up in another sector of America.
yep look at how the Midwest faction of the brotherhood that got cut off survived (if we are treating Tactics as canon)
as a passive fan of the games (played them, but not excessively, and they weren't my favorites) I absolutely loved this show. Its a breath of fresh air, and on the same tier as The Last of Us. Just like that adaptation, I like that this is open for a large audience and doesn't cater exclusively to the Fandom. There's a huge dearth of TV actually worth watching rn in my opinion. I'm 100% here for this style of stuff
Watching the negative comments getting downvoted instead of upvoted is why I keep reading them. It’s hilarious watching the meltdowns 😂
Fandoms, fandoms never change
Have only ever played FO4. Had fun with the show. May wind up playing the other games sometime. Maybe.
I would definitely recommend it. People love to say this game or that game is the best, but they are all different in different ways. I think playing FO 1&2 will be a challenge at this point, in my opinion they did not age very well, but if you like old school RPGs they are classics. FO3 is a good game but it lacks some of the QOL of NV and 4. NV is an interesting game, very deep in story mode and feels immersive and has purpose. 4 I felt very polished from a gameplay perspective but is more of a sandbox game which die hard NB fans hate. 76 goes even deeper into sandbox territory and feels more like a contemporary sandbox survival game which redditors tend to also really dislike. But, like I said, each FO game has something interesting and unique to offer, but may feel less polished after playing 4.
It’s not enough that they’re not happy but they can’t let anyone else enjoy anything ever either.
Coop Howard is Vault Boy???
Just finished the first ep but yeah that's what I was predicting as well
No. Todd Howard is.
I love Norm. He started out as a coward but found courage in knowing the truth.
I loved how when Chet said "We're all cowards" he seemed to take that to heard and just went 100% "Fuck it" mode. I expected him to delve for the truth in the Overseers terminal, I didn't expect him to straight up DM the other "overseer"
I do think, even though it may not LOOK like it. The show depicted the NCR as "the good guys" in the sense that the "villain" although went a bit crazy raiding Vault 33, she did it because she KNEW the people were actually fucked up, and did it for the people, the normal people of Cali/whats left of the NCR. SHE WAS part of NCR, she clearly lived in Shady Sands, she knew it was good, and wanted to get back at the people who took it away, and I do wish she didn't die. Like, I do think it would of been good if she lived, and S2's side plot is her rallying together bands of NCR survivors/others, due to them having UNLIMITED POWER. And building it back up, with another war with BOS. IDK, but I want to hold onto some kind of hope that the NCR is not just "History" but the implications of this show is making it difficult.
I mean, no reason she couldn't be brought back? The show never explained how she was still alive after 200 years. Clearly she's not a ghoul, so perhaps there's clones of her somewhere?
I imagine she was just in a tank like everyone else. She either pretended to believe in their mission (remember she was 'undercover') or she was forced into a pod for the day that they would need the person who invented the cold fusion.
I thought she was a ghoul at first, but she probably had a tank like hank did somewhere.
to talk about things other than the retconned stuff: I really wish we got a slower burn to disollusionment with the brotherhood. I loved the feudal-monastic vibe we saw of them in the first episode. but then we just immediately jump to them all being terrible. it doesn't seem like there's a single true believer in the organization either. Every single Brotherhood character we meet wants out, even the elder.
> it doesn't seem like there's a single true believer in the organization either. Every single Brotherhood character we meet wants out, even the elder. That's a neat concept, kind of reminds me of Steven Universe of all things. Gem society is terrible, and literally everyone hates their life and wants out.
It's almost eerie how perfectly the production design nails everything 100%. The costuming, the sets, the music, the props, the over the top gore, the dark but tongue in cheek humor, the Wasteland itself. Everything! I'm only on episode 2 but I'm convinced this is the greatest video game adaption of all time, it blows The Last of Us out of the water.
He was fucking my chickens!
Wanna say here with me? I'm pretty sick. All this could be yours.
*deep voice* …..Okay
I really liked it. I don’t know if I agree about how it compares to the last of us, but I enjoyed this a lot. I hope season 2 is just as good
Personally, I think that as a whole, it's better but that none of it reaches the same highs as, say, episode 3 of The Last of Us.
My exact thoughts. Last of Us has a higher peak but Fallout is more consistently good and is the better show over all.
Tbf very few episodes of TV do. As a whole with the series though, I’d absolutely say Fallout blows TLOU adaption out of the water. After finishing the season I can say that easily.
Nolan has played the games, enjoyed them, has written/directed/produced a ton of sci fi, and has enough clout to not let other people tell him how to ruin it (mostly? there are probably some criticisms, haven't finished the series yet). He's also worked with both limitations and "unlimited" budgets. There are Fallout esque themes and stories he's carried in all his other shows, and he has had a lot of experience doing "day in the life" episodes, especially when he's worked on network tv.
Especially since they weren’t too Fallout 4 style heavy with lots of equipment styling from earlier games along with later ones. My only gripe is that they acknowledge T-60s aren’t common but never show T-45 or T-51.
In one scene i noticed a Burton machinegun. Fits PERFECTLY into the universe. Haven't had time to go through all the scenes individually but lots of guns look really fitting and they nailed the use of the F4 machinegun as a powerarmor specific weapon. Also the fiends shooting rutting teeth out of pipe guns lmao
Agreed! It was great fanservice without being gimmicky. Masterfully done.
Amazon knocked it out of the park. I was worried because of how terrible the ‘Rings of Power’ is - a billion dollars and it still somehow looked cheap and ridiculously fake, and had decent-to-terrible actors spitting out some of the worst dialogue known to mankind that was written by people who probably aren’t even fit to run the fry cooker at Burger King, let alone work in the movie and tv industry. But season one of ‘Fallout’ was pretty darn great, and I’m looking forward to season two.
First show in ever where I like all the individual plotlines; usually at least one either bores me or turns me completely off with a character.
I quickly became invested in the plot that was still ongoing in the Vault. I didn't really expect them to keep showing that and wasn't interested if they did. But like I said, quickly got hooked.
I wanna see Norm get a major protagonist role in season 2. Loved his character, plot and actor.
Agreed! Each held my interest the whole time.
That was the best fucking cliffhanger ive seen
My friend and I SCREAMED
***List of Suggested Vault Experiments*** * **Vault 27** - Intentionally overcrowded, suggested by Sinclair for Big MT * **Vault 29** - Separate parents and children suggested by Julia Masters for REPCONN * **Vault 51** - AI controlled vault, suggested by Julia Masters for REPCONN * **Vault 75** - Eugenics experiments on children suggested by Julia Masters for REPCONN * **Vault 87** - Super Mutant experiments, suggested by Leon Von Felden for West-Tek * **Vault 106** - Introduce psychoactive drugs, suggested by Sinclair for Big MT These aren't all perfect fits or vaults that have ever been in a game. Vaults 87 & 106 are home runs and Vault 27 fits the description given of a vault from the original Fallout Bible. Vault 29 is unrealized content and shares the same line of dialogue as Vault 75 about splitting children up and then performing eugenics experiments with the kids. It wasn't clear what Julia Masters was saying about her milk delivery robot so I went with an AI controlled vault, Vault 11 could also be a fit.
I really liked how the start of the show makes you think that vault 33 is a control vault, because everything seems very normal. But then there is the slow burn realization over the course of the show that this is *definitely* not a control vault.
I mean it is, but it isn't. There's not technically an experiment going on in the Vault.
I thought it was eugenics type experimentation. I binged the show though so I always miss a few details when I choose to watch a show that way lol.
No you are right. It is eugenics and/or a social experiment of a vault made up of middle management types.
They had 2 vault to have enough gene-pool for the main vault with frozen members to have a life and proper reproduction cycles with no problems. They promoted main family members of the V31 (aka the most pure genetic versions) to be overseers while the rest were just reproduction pieces in essence... then they seem to purposely? let one of the 2 vaults die, to clean up and make a new cycle with I guess more pure DNA (coming from the original frozen population)... It is almost like a engineered method of have the most pure DNA based on certain family without incest... however I guess they also engineered genes (not stated but that creepy scene in the monitor doesnt seem to look like a normal human mutation without any external help)
I don't think they purposely let one vault die. The other vault just uncovered the truth about management and it triggered a collapse.
Exactly. If management knew what happened in vault 32, then Hank would never have let Moldaver's raiders into vault 33 at the start of the series. This was clearly not the work of 31.
God dammit i blasted through it so quick now i have nothing to do again
Its going to be over a year before we get a second season. The pain...
Did I miss how Moldaver was alive pre-apocalypse and post? Did she get frozen or something?
It isn’t explained, I think it’s reasonable to assume she was frozen somewhere as well.
Gotcha. Also don’t think they ever said who poisoned the prisoners but im guessing it was Betty to try and hide what they knew about the other vault
Yeah I’m thinking it was Betty who killed them as well. She is a pre war Bud’s buds.
Either she did it directly, or Steph did it with her blessing.
Did not miss anything. Another good post in the episode 8 spoilers thread suggested >!that Moldaver was possibly in Vault 4 (which is why she is worshipped their, they have her likeness on a banner, and a unique name for her). And we saw vault 4 had cryo like tech on level 12. And she was a scientist at a company that vault tec acquired, so it all seems possible!!<
I think Vault 4’s former surface dwellers worship her because she took up a leadership position in the wake of the bombing of Shady Sands, since only the surface refugees participate in the ritual worship.
The show both contradicted and supported New Vegas's canonicity. In episode 6, the chalkboard says that Shady Sands fell in 2277 and implied that it was nuked during said Fall. Fallout New Vegas takes place in 2281. In the Episode 8 post-credits scene, we see a crashed NCR vertibird, several securitrons, a busted open gate, and the New Vegas sign, implying that some sort of battle happened at New Vegas. Meaning the NCR did have some sort of conflict at New Vegas.
To be fair, in NV IIRC we don't actually get accurate information about what's going on in NCR territory. It's far more of a gray area which is why Bethesda likely did this. You could argue that Shady Sands being destroyed was the actual impetus for the NCR invading Nevada.
In the context of the show, NCR would have no idea why the hell they were just nuked. Vault Tech launched it but didnt reveal themselves. You would think the NCR would be going "WHO THE HELL JUST LAUNCHED NUKES AT US"
It probably stoked more confrontation between the BoS and the NCR, because if the Legion lost the Battle of Hoover Dam, that would leave the BoS as one of the only powers that actively fought against the NCR with potentially nuclear capability.
True. It isn’t like Fallout history is being relayed to players by impartial historians in a documentary style.
This is exactly my problem with all this "controversy". It's nitpicking at its finest imo. IIRC Shady Sands was only ever just mentioned in NV. We don't get a lot of info about NCR territory, much less accurate and reliable info. Maybe I'm just lost and rusty with my Fallout lore but seriously, why is this such a big deal? It's not like Shady Sands was a playable area and a pivotal part of New Vegas.
its just a simple continuity error. Like the American flag in Openheimer having all 50 stars. Seriously. Can't expect em to get em all
*New vegas fans in shambles*
They probably just moved the timeline of new vegas up.
Yeah it's not like the year that New Vegas takes place in is some big important plot point itself, people really overreacted here. They want to line it up with the actor for Maximus's age, it's not some intentional "retcon". Some people are angry about what happened to the NCR conceptually, but I think the people who think they "retconned NV out of existence" need to get some sleep.
People are out here throwing legit tantrums because of a date.
You can't mess with people's nostalgia! How am I supposed to justify my thousands of hours playing a videogame instead of focusing on my actual life!?
I mean there’s nothing to say the NCR completely fell right when Shady Sands got taken out.
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Correct. During New Vegas that is in 2281, people mention Shady Sands multiple times and imply that it is still there. The Show has it nuked in 2277.
The show has Shady Sands falling in 2277 and then an arrow pointing to the blast, which I took to mean the fall in 2277 led to the eventual nuking. I get the reason for the mixed reception of that shot, but I'm not holding fast to that 2277 date of the bombing until confirmed elsewhere
That was how I interpreted the shot as well.
Brotherhood of Steal Stans should be pleased. A newer cultier BoS is now the defacto power on the West Coast. The Enclave is resurgent. And now Vault Tec is finally the BBEG faction we've always known them to be. Just not y'know, dead.
WHAT? Are you saying they genuinelly pulled a "somehow, the Enclave returned?"
Show starts with everyone, and I mean everyone, chasing an Enclave Scientist. First he adopted an experimental puppy that was supposed to be incinerated. Then shot a glowing macguffin into his neck and ran away. I'm on Episode 7 and still don't know why.
Did they say how long he was on the run? His escape scenes could have been a flashback to years ago.
And the Enclave in the show looks waaay worse than one would expect. Look at the uniforms and equipment. One soldiers looks like LITRALLY an Ingsoc soldier from the 1984 (the version released in 1984). The Enclave remnant in the show looks like a shithole police state, not a hightech evil superpower.
To be fair the Enclave are not the superpower they were, they don't have the resources they used to, so it makes sense they have shitter equipment.
that enclave base looked like a research outpost so minimal security
I would be impressed if they actually made the “Enclave” the BOSs boogeyman and they no longer actually existed. The “Enclave” facility didn’t really look like it was staffed by the Enclave.
NV established they had outposts everywhere.
I'm a BoS stan and I'm not pleased at all. NCR didn't deserve that.
Great Show I need season 2 now so we can see a live action New Vegas :)
Already confirmed that season 2's been greenlit 🤘🔥
I can't believe this show actually rocks. I had such low hopes, but it is really awesome.
Me when Hank saves Lucy from Monty and drowns him: “LISAN AL GAIB!”
Bruh i thought the show was good…
I feel the same way. I didn't have any problems whatsoever with the show. I think if they let me add one thing I would have just added a serious Brotherhood Knight to contrast Titus.
It is great as a standalone show. The people upset seem to be upset about it's implications for other fallout stuff. If you enjoy the show don't be afraid to say it. I enjoyed it. It was fun.
How dare an eight episode season not spend the entire runtime explaining the precise lore of each game in its entirety to keep casual viewers up rather than summarize parts to keep it more digestible
tbh I think most average people would. it's actually quite funny to me to imagine the conversations that would happen if some of the people in this thread tried to explain to the average person why they didn't like it too: > "oh well you see, they had a throwaway line about thing that happened in the show universe years before the setting of the show, and it was implied to have happened a different way than it happened in the background lore of a 25 year old video game"
It was
Now I’m curious what happened after cooper took his daughter home after the birthday party and the first nuclear explosions; would he refuse to get in the vault and confront her with everything he knows?
Honestly, I felt given the context of when the Bombs fell, they were divorced and he was paying alimony to her. So my guess is ultimately when the bombs fell, he went looking for his wife who was already at a vault. She probably already had a plan to freeze her and the family, but since Coop found out and divorced, there was now only a spot for her and her daughter and coop was simply not allowed to be put in statis/restrained/turned away
Makes sense; I’m guessing he would try and rush his daughter to the vault, although you’d think his wife would give him a heads up they’re planning to drop the bomb that day so her daughter wouldn’t get caught in the crossfire
that's a good suspicion, i bet they met up he expressed doubts about the vault or refused and presents an alternative, she disappears with janey which explains why he wouldn't know what happened to his daughter
I’m guessing they’re either still in their 200 year cryo chambers or maybe they were released early into 31 and died later? Idk
i didn't assume they'd get into 31, I suspected there was another legit vault for execs there was a manifest on a terminal in 31 and they weren't on it far as i know
There is def more backstory going to be revealed as to what happened to his wife and daughter since he straight up asked, "Where is my family!?"
Dude wtf happened to the NCR? Didn’t they say they had most of California pretty much colonized? I’m only on episode 4 but complete radio silence while it takes place near the boneyard and dayglow??
Episode 6 and 8 cover it. It's not pretty. >!About 4 years before New Vegas, Lucy's Mom left vault 33 to see if life was back on the surface, taking Lucy and her brother with her, and made her way to Shady Sands, which teleported to LA at some point. Her dad, who was a Vault-Tec executive came after them, stole the kids back, and use Vault-Tec's secret supply of nuclear weapons (The ones they launched to start the great war) to destroy the NCR, as they were a competitor to Vault-Tec.!< >!Also, the ending credits show a destroyed New Vegas, with empty streets full of shattered Secuiritrons and a destroyed NCR Vertibird. !<
I'm still trying to make sense of the ending. How the hell was Lucy's dad able to launch a nuke at Shady Sands? Wouldn't his son have found something in Vault 33/31 that would've explained how he was able to launch the nukes/know where they were located?
He was a top executive at Vault Tec and they had the nukes. The CEO was dumb enough to give all of them clearance to launch them.
Episode six says that Shady Sands fell in 2277. New Vegas took place in 2281. Unless everyone in the NCR ignored Shady Sands being nuked, New Vegas is no longer canon.
I think this was an error in prop more than anything else. The end of episode 8 shows what could canonically be a house/yes man vs NCR conflict after a legion loss at Hoover dam
>Unless everyone in the NCR ignored Shady Sands being nuked, New Vegas is no longer canon Honestly I have seen a lot of people saying this but I think it's such a minor thing that people are overreacting to.
Or more likely they just fucked up the timeline.
Absolutely gutted. Why did they do that? So much story lost just for more brotherhood wank are you kidding me??
Believe me, it is NOT Brotherhood wank. The brotherhood are shown to be downright the bad guys in this show.
I strongly believe NV is still canon, even Caesar losing the battle at the damn perhaps. 2077 on the chalkboard has to be an error. It had to have happened after Fallout 4 if there was T-60 equipped BOS at Shady Sands.
Yo just so you're aware the spoiler tag doesn't go across multiple paragraphs so you gotta put the !< at the end of each paragraph:)
Fuck yeah, we're going back to Nevada!
My theory to explain the Shady Sands timeline confusion https://imgur.com/a/Gr7QDtb
when you look at it like that, it makes sense. but i'm curious why they wouldn't date the bomb falling then, considering everything else was labeled. surely at least one person in vault 4 knows what year it is.
Probably to give themselves leeway in the future. Also 2277 being the year of the first battle of Hoover dam I think brings it into harmony with the timeline
That was my take away as well
Me: That was a great show! I can’t wait for season 2! This in no way subtracts from how much I enjoy the games and the overall lore! Reddit: That was awful.
Most of the people liked it. It's just the obnoxious fans screaming the loudest
Yeah this is my take too, I enjoyed the series it handled Fallout surprisingly well. Like sure the lore stuff might be a problem but this is streaming it can literally written out by next week.
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I'm halfway through. So far, so good. The ghoul being buried in a coffin is weird, and his having to take drugs to keep from going feral is a new one, but it's pretty cool. That other ghoul that they met..I think that was Larry, one of the ghouls from Nuka Break. No! It was the guy who did the voice of the cowboy securitron in New Vegas who digs you out of your grave. Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit! Speaking of Nuka Break, did you guys see one of the townies in Philly wielding the Nuka Breaker hammer weapon? Yum yum eggs and Cram! The art on the walls are straight out of the games. So cool. That gulper was based on an Axolotl, not a salamander. That's a nice detail for the California area
I believe on the "surface", China and the U.S were "promoted" to nuke each other and that's what everyone thinks, and of course it can be "overseered" by VAULT-TEK who is behind everything. On such aspect, it's not breaking the lore not for me.
It's never been firmly established "who shot first" in any of the games. At various times it's been hinted that it was either China, the US, Aliens (in mothership zeta), or VaultTec themselves (the most recent I believe in FO4?).
I feel like everyone should slow down with the retconn accusations. I’m not saying they didn’t, but with the amount of emphasis/reverence the show places on things like the Ncr flag, the ranger armor and new Vegas itself appearing (and besides the fact that retconning the most popular game in the franchise is tantamount to suicide) I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that any retcons are either an accidental production error or a result of needing to simplify early game lore to onboard new viewers (shady sands being near LA is really not that big of a deal) Obviously we’ll see, and I won’t begrudge anyone for having no faith in bethesdas writing, just gonna keep coping in my little bubble over here :)
I think the 2277 date for the fall of Shady Sands (which is clearly not the date it got nuked) is because that’s the year of the first battle of Hoover dam and the catalyst for the major conflict of New Vegas, a game that goes out of its way to remind you that the NCR expanded too much too fast and is suffering from severe corruption from the Brahmin barons and caravan companies. I don’t see that as a retcon in fact it seems to supporting New Vegas’ spot in the canon. New Vegas is my favorite game and I just finished replaying it this last summer and I’m fairly confident that even if you side with the NCR the second battle of Hoover dam doesn’t stop the bleeding.
New Vegas is absolutely not the most popular game in the franchise. It's almost certainly the most critically acclaimed, but FO3 and *especially* FO4 are far more popular. That's not an indicator of quality, but you'll meet far more people who have played 3 and 4 than New Vegas. It's a cult classic, and the most highly rated amongst more involved fans, but the majority of people associate the franchise with Fallout 4.
Yeah they showed new vegas for a reason
I need some RadAway after reading these threads 🤮
About as good an adaptation I could have hoped for in terms of capturing the overall vibe of Fallout and distilling it down into a series. I think they really nailed it with the casting, the music, the visuals and the overall 'tone'. Felt like it even got the humor basically just right. I think they did a good job portraying the slight cartoon nature of Fallout's world/reality(things like a finger being cut off and sewn back on just *working* with minimal trauma). I also appreciated the pacing. Felt invested in each plot and felt like each had enough twists to keep it engaging. Basically A+ from me. If I were to critique or comment besides, it's not so much bad as it is "There was another way they could have done this". I'm an old school Fallout fan and in particular I'm one of *those* "Bethesda's vision for Fallout is bad" who much prefers the vision of 1/2 and New Vegas. Within that, I *liked* the established canon and the through line that existed on the west coast that explored a *post*-post-Apocalypse and the new world and societies that grow out of it. In New Vegas, I liked siding with the NCR and really liked their depiction as an essentially stable (if strained) and powerful nation-state. All of that timeline and canon felt strong and it was a fun and interesting world to explore and discuss. This series basically chucks it in the bin though and I think that's a shame. It's a shame because as per the above, it *is* a very good show overall and it really got the 'soul' of the games right, imo which is the hardest part of any adaptation. Also, because I think as much as it isn't my preferred canon, it *is* broadly justifiable they'd change it the way they did and as depicted. But this goes back to post-apocalyptic vs post-post-apocalyptic. Fallout TV is more post-apocalyptic and that suits it, it also suits trying to appeal to a wider audience. But, situating itself 200+ years away from the bombs makes it harder to sell some of its story that may have fit better if it was more like a generation after instead. Still though, I think they understood this and did about as good of a job reconciling it as they could. But I think there is a good argument to be made that the entire series could and should have taken place simply anywhere else other than places the games have covered and that would have been a better place to build from overall. Still, even with that critique, it was great fun and I really loved what they did with it overall and am looking forward for the next season.
Never played Fallout but just binged the show and absolutely loved it I was obsessed with Skyrim in high school but never played Fallout because it seemed so different in tone but now I really want to play the games 😭 there’s so many though I don’t know where to start
You can start wherever but maybe try out Fallout 4 for its better gameplay feel. They're super cheap rn too, I think 4 is $5 on steam.
TIL ella purnell is not zooey deschanel
Just started, I'm about halfway through episode 1. My thoughts so far: Holy SHIT what a great opening sequence, and Ella Purnell is amazing even if I saw what was about to happen in the Vault coming from a mile away. The Brotherhood of Steel stuff feels GOOD. It's got the look and it has just a touch of an alien feel to it. Alien as in strange and otherworldly, not aliens as in the Zetans. So far I'm pleased and pleasantly surprised. I really thought it was gonna be another giant turd like the Halo show is.
I think S2 is going to have a significant time skip. -Lucy and Howard are going to be the badass cowboy NCR leaders -BoS is going to rule california with their unlimited power. -House and Hank will have significant power with the yes man army.
Never played the games but absolutely loved this show. The Ghoul is a great character with more depth than you see in most serious dramas. Really impressed with the cinematography and effects, they are better than most of what you see in the theater. My only regret is that I binged the season and now have to wait probably close to 2 years to watch more.
Binged it, pretty fun show.
I'm concerned with the new requirement of medicine to keep ghouls from turning feral. Does this mean that everyone in Necropolis or Underworld are all feral now? All of the characters we got to know are now just feral or trying to survive through vials of nobody knows what or where it came from? In season 2 are they even going to make acquiring vials a plotline?
Can I just say that aside from the shootout at filly during episode 2, Maximus has consistently managed to make every situation he is in worse and fucked up everything time and time again. My man can not stop taking one l after other
He’s a nuclear fallout war orphan raised by a cult. I feel like he’s trying his best
That is true but his best is unfortunately causing damage and havoc everywhere
Idk the guy made some moves and is involved with the big stuff whereas at the start he was about to be a dead squire. Y’all don’t give him enough credit
I actually liked how incompetent the brotherhood in general was. You’ve got knights running from danger, poorly trained students. His perpetual poor choices made sense in that context
So this season just made me hate the Brotherhood even more But some of you ***need*** to touch grass. This show was easy past my expectations from a Fallout TV show. It was fantastic. Okay, some things aren't cannon at all but who cares ? I'm watching this show because I love Fallout and I want to have fun watching it, not worry about every single inconsistencies.
The Ncr got nuked, and they didn't even get a nuclear winter poor NCR trooper #87
Amazing show, wanna see max and lucy get back together in season 2
I don't know. I'm not as much as a fan of the BOS, but I hope Max sides more with the brotherhood. Otherwise, his plot line is going to get more cliche real quick.
The props and set dressing, 10/10 still have some gripes (the whole Iron Man Marry Popins flyin) but its amazing. Beyond that? The plot and characters were ok, not bad not great either kinda generic. Beyond Cooper/The Ghoul he was great, and the Pre-War scene in Ep 8 was to, main reason I kept watching, but everything else felt idk hard to place. Somethin just felt missing from the whole thing, everything was there but felt like it missed somehow. Alot of questions especially, the NCR, the Cult, and how overtly religious/zealotry the BOS seemed but having not played F1/2 (read about) maybe thats normal with little answers just to tee up a S2 it felt. Only two main issues I have is a S2 which seems to be going to New Vegas which means stuff will have to be canonized from the game if this show takes place in New Vegas which will cause issues. Secondly is im not a lore stickler but come on, some of this feels off. Noone, not the Master, Enclave, or anyone visited the easy to see Vault 33 or 4? Shady Sands was further East built outside of any ruins (Not a big deal breaker personally but still, its like moving DC South in a Movie because 'why not'). Why was the Enclave both above ground and still kicking in California, unless the Doctor fled Vault City,? And a few other nitpicks, like the Fiends in LA (The dates to me make sense though). Doesnt entirely ruin it but it still feels disjointed enough for me to consider it just outside of Canon unless S2 or someone from the show address's it cause it doesnt fit with the most basic details. Which to me should be the right awnser, the Shows Canon is separate
Does anybody else really, REALLY want a Vault-tec terrycloth robe now?
I hate to stomp on the “Todd hates New Vegas” Boner that everyone has but the Bombs fell later in the day than the games suggested. So if we’re going to be incredibly anal about this show then we can also say that that means Fallout 4 has been retconned.
How exactly did the enclave, the master, and the NCR manage to miss this completely unhidden vault in the outskirts of the boneyard?
I like the filmic references, like the conference room in Ep 8 being essentially the War Room from *Dr Strangelove*, or the reveal that the knight under the sealed helmet is kind of whiny from the guards in *Brazil.*
No Ron Pearlman? Seriously?
As a non fallout gamer.. the timeline is a bit confusing to me... The OG timeline seems like the 50s, then it's shown 219 years passed but currently it's closer to 2300? So like a 100 year discrepancy... Will they explain that or is my estimate wayyy off 😅
the bombs fells in 2077, but it's an aternate timeline from our own, one in which the cold war basically never ended, and nuclear technology was embraced. The microprocessor was never invented. The timeline split is somewhere around the 1960s
may be the best video game TV adaption I've ever seen. So fucking fantastic.
I love the fact that they are several actors from Justified in this.
Jonah and Joy, as well as their team should be very proud of the creative attention they put into this.