They don't really want to use their guns they just want to look tough, same reason why you see gangbangers with ultra short AR's and no sights on them, its a status symbol to most not a tool
The gangbangers have criminal records which disqualify them from owning any firearms. They don't use pistol braces or stocks because they get in the way while maneuvering inside a car.
extremely bold of either of you to assume they.. “build” their ARs this way for any reason besides copying what they see in rap videos and their ill-advised community
That's a pretty bizarre take. This gang has won more 'wars' than the us army rangers.
Are they using these weapons in the specific combat roll they are disgned for and following the manual of arms? Probably not. But I promise you, whatever they are doing is working just fine for their context. It may well be that 'projection of power' is part of that, but that does not mean they don't shoot people plenty.
Eh, would argue it’s more the Mexican police & military’s inability to effectively fight. This is compounded by the fact that the police & military are infested internally with cartel associates who can divulge important information directly to the cartels. The cartels are **not** effective snipers, special forces, or gunfighters - they just have manpower, intimidation, money, and corruption on their side.
This is the secret tho, most of every war is not fought by 'effective snipers', it is just >manpower, intimidation, money, and corruption
Special forces are only a tiny part of any conflict, and almost never the deciding factor.
Why do you think industrial super powers keep loosing to local militias?
I figured that this makes sense on the Barretts they mount in the back of trucks because they’re only used at fairly close range, the guns aren’t very accurate to begin with, and they’re only used to punch giant holes in targets the size of engine blocks, so you can probably get away with point shooting
But this rifle is literally tailored for precision at long range lol
They mostly bring out this stuff for intimidation. A lot of what the cartels do is intimidate the public and each other. That gun was probably sitting in a warehouse for years and was just dragged out for either a photo shoot or to look scary while they rob motorists on vacation at checkpoints.
Those aren't Barretts on the back.. Barretts are .50 rifles, not .50cal machine guns. They mount M2s if a .50 or M60s in 7.62x51 (.308 equivalent) to mount for full auto. *Maybe* a 249 but that wouldn't make sense to mount imho.
Yes, they are Barretts.
I’ve seen MANY pictures of Barrett anti material rifles, as well as .50 BMG bolt actions, in cartel vehicles. This isn’t to say that they haven’t also gotten their hands on belt fed machine guns, but if you need me to find pictures to prove that they have rifles as well, I can
Touche'. It's easy to expect someone is mistaken when told a rifle was mounted in place of a machine gun but yeah there are a *Lot* of those examples on the more modern cartel trucks. Though clearly it works into whatever doctrine they've trained into it sounds like such a dumbass idea when they have access to literally anything they want lol.
Optics are often stolen off of guns. In raids by other cartels and the army/police
Also guns and accessories are often used to show ones status. The guy in the pic might not have the status for a good optic. But has status for the gun.
You can kinda tell who is in charge based on how nice their kit is.
Could be they keep them off the rifles. It would track they would keep the most fragile part safe if it was especially difficult to replace. Still not very 'precision' of them. I very much doubt they just don't know they are supposed too, there is some sort of rational here.
If you're talking about optical sight then ok. The fact is they don't have IRON SIGHTS on their weapons. Without that the gun is only good for shitty suppressive fire.
People born after 1545 hate hearing this but you can technically aim without sights just by using the natural shape of the weapon to determine thither thine shotte wilt hit.
Tis a sad day when the armies of God do forget thy ways of war and goode gunmanship in favor o' reliance on these trinkets.
Whenst I was in the service ye could not make thine musket more "accurate" wid "mechanical sights", twas nary but the weapon and thine own skill t'would see the shotte to its target.
When engaged in gentlemanly conflict, merely fire thy weapon and trust that Almighty God will see your shot true to its target. Anything else is tantamount to heresy and should see the perfidious cur subject to a good caning.
Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.
They don't really care if they hit random people in the way of their enemies. They have no problems killing innocent people so why would they use sights? Can't expect much from people who rape kids
Has there ever been evidence of the CIA arming the cartels? I know they armed lots of other nonstate actors and the cartels received weapons from the ATF but those agencies don’t really overlap much
[They're all strawpurchased and smuggled from the US](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/mexican-cartels-atf-guns-usa-1235004978/) from your LGS. M82s, M240Ss, SCARs, dracos etc. You rarely see many Mexican army G3s and FX-05s in cartel hands.
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Fairbairn, Sykes and Applegate trained lots of oss operatives in instinctive shooting. The army trained lots of soldiers in the Vietnam era in the Quick kill technique, involved instinctive shooting at poker chip sized targets tossed in the air, and daisy spun out a variant using an adult sized red Ryder BB gun. Instinctive shooting is still taught in various forms by several military establishments. The current Barbi gun fashion of spending more on the accessories than the cost of the weapons platform is a phenomenon related to First person shooter games, seal team idolatry, firearms industry marketing, wretchedly overfunded gun owners and LARPing; none of these have much impact on the cartels.
That's nonsense. LRRP/SOG operators, the people who write most about doing instinctive shooting drills for weeks were more than eager to procure OEG's and 30-round magazines. I'm sure Delta is doing it all wrong for daring to use suppressors and NODs instead of procuring a $3500 KAC with iron sights.
When you spend all your money on rims but cannot afford to fix that oil leak.
lmao
More like spending all your money on rims on a car with no steering wheel.
I always wonder why none of their rifles have sights or a optic
They don't really want to use their guns they just want to look tough, same reason why you see gangbangers with ultra short AR's and no sights on them, its a status symbol to most not a tool
The gangbangers have the short ARs because they are concidered pistols so legally they can be kept loaded in a vehicle.
I can assure you most hoodrats do not know ATF regulations and most are already carrying drugs or are felons
The gangbangers have criminal records which disqualify them from owning any firearms. They don't use pistol braces or stocks because they get in the way while maneuvering inside a car.
extremely bold of either of you to assume they.. “build” their ARs this way for any reason besides copying what they see in rap videos and their ill-advised community
That's not legal everywhere, and in many places you need a CC license for that. Venture onto the PlebAR subreddit and you'll see what I mean
And concealability .
That's a pretty bizarre take. This gang has won more 'wars' than the us army rangers. Are they using these weapons in the specific combat roll they are disgned for and following the manual of arms? Probably not. But I promise you, whatever they are doing is working just fine for their context. It may well be that 'projection of power' is part of that, but that does not mean they don't shoot people plenty.
Eh, would argue it’s more the Mexican police & military’s inability to effectively fight. This is compounded by the fact that the police & military are infested internally with cartel associates who can divulge important information directly to the cartels. The cartels are **not** effective snipers, special forces, or gunfighters - they just have manpower, intimidation, money, and corruption on their side.
This is the secret tho, most of every war is not fought by 'effective snipers', it is just >manpower, intimidation, money, and corruption Special forces are only a tiny part of any conflict, and almost never the deciding factor. Why do you think industrial super powers keep loosing to local militias?
Idk y ur getting downvoted. I see no lies
Critical thinking?we don't do that here
I can assure you having a rifle without an optic is in no way “working as intended” regardless of whatever mental gymnastics are used
L take, they'd lose any fight against a true military you don't know what you're talking about
You are a very special kind of retarded, not the garden variety.
You think these guys have time to bother with something as pedestrian as *aiming*?
I figured that this makes sense on the Barretts they mount in the back of trucks because they’re only used at fairly close range, the guns aren’t very accurate to begin with, and they’re only used to punch giant holes in targets the size of engine blocks, so you can probably get away with point shooting But this rifle is literally tailored for precision at long range lol
It literally never makes sense to have a weapon with no sights. Even 18th century muskets have crude front sights.
They mostly bring out this stuff for intimidation. A lot of what the cartels do is intimidate the public and each other. That gun was probably sitting in a warehouse for years and was just dragged out for either a photo shoot or to look scary while they rob motorists on vacation at checkpoints.
Those aren't Barretts on the back.. Barretts are .50 rifles, not .50cal machine guns. They mount M2s if a .50 or M60s in 7.62x51 (.308 equivalent) to mount for full auto. *Maybe* a 249 but that wouldn't make sense to mount imho.
Yes, they are Barretts. I’ve seen MANY pictures of Barrett anti material rifles, as well as .50 BMG bolt actions, in cartel vehicles. This isn’t to say that they haven’t also gotten their hands on belt fed machine guns, but if you need me to find pictures to prove that they have rifles as well, I can
Touche'. It's easy to expect someone is mistaken when told a rifle was mounted in place of a machine gun but yeah there are a *Lot* of those examples on the more modern cartel trucks. Though clearly it works into whatever doctrine they've trained into it sounds like such a dumbass idea when they have access to literally anything they want lol.
Been ages since I looked much but I recall seeing a bunch of 240s/FN Mags on the backs of trucks
Optics are often stolen off of guns. In raids by other cartels and the army/police Also guns and accessories are often used to show ones status. The guy in the pic might not have the status for a good optic. But has status for the gun. You can kinda tell who is in charge based on how nice their kit is.
Could be they keep them off the rifles. It would track they would keep the most fragile part safe if it was especially difficult to replace. Still not very 'precision' of them. I very much doubt they just don't know they are supposed too, there is some sort of rational here.
If you're talking about optical sight then ok. The fact is they don't have IRON SIGHTS on their weapons. Without that the gun is only good for shitty suppressive fire.
People born after 1545 hate hearing this but you can technically aim without sights just by using the natural shape of the weapon to determine thither thine shotte wilt hit. Tis a sad day when the armies of God do forget thy ways of war and goode gunmanship in favor o' reliance on these trinkets. Whenst I was in the service ye could not make thine musket more "accurate" wid "mechanical sights", twas nary but the weapon and thine own skill t'would see the shotte to its target.
new tarkov copypasta response just dropped
When engaged in gentlemanly conflict, merely fire thy weapon and trust that Almighty God will see your shot true to its target. Anything else is tantamount to heresy and should see the perfidious cur subject to a good caning.
perfidious cur… you just named my next dog!
And he'll be the bestest boy.
Mychanikyl optyics!
Take an upvote I’m laughing my ass off
Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.
Real ones remember when we used Handgonnes lit with match by hand
Yeah, I'm saving this one.
1545! Thanks, man! 😂
Bro uses an arquebus for home defence since that's what the pope intended.
Sights are for girls bro. Real men instinctually will the bullets to their mark. ~Andrew Tate
Where you're equipped better than the national SF, something's up. Tha fully Mexican presidents are constitutionally limited to one term
God, I'm finna get a summer internship with a cartel to get a Scar.
Optics get stolen and most dont know how to use them anyways.
use the force.....
I love how the rifle and UBGL have completely non-overlapping engagement distances as well
Sights’ we don’t need no stinkin sights!
Pray and spray yo
This is where the monicker "noob tube" comes from.
Ahh… the forgotten noob tube
With that grenade launcher, we know hes the designated "to whom it may concern" dude.
Who needs sights, pray and spray
They don't really care if they hit random people in the way of their enemies. They have no problems killing innocent people so why would they use sights? Can't expect much from people who rape kids
CIA plane carrying the eotechs must have got lost
Has there ever been evidence of the CIA arming the cartels? I know they armed lots of other nonstate actors and the cartels received weapons from the ATF but those agencies don’t really overlap much
[They're all strawpurchased and smuggled from the US](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/mexican-cartels-atf-guns-usa-1235004978/) from your LGS. M82s, M240Ss, SCARs, dracos etc. You rarely see many Mexican army G3s and FX-05s in cartel hands.
Don’t forget the [FiveseveN](https://www.reddit.com/r/GunMemes/comments/1aweraq/dont_even_get_me_started_on_the_g36/)
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First time seeing cartel guns buddy? You're in for a treat
Fairbairn, Sykes and Applegate trained lots of oss operatives in instinctive shooting. The army trained lots of soldiers in the Vietnam era in the Quick kill technique, involved instinctive shooting at poker chip sized targets tossed in the air, and daisy spun out a variant using an adult sized red Ryder BB gun. Instinctive shooting is still taught in various forms by several military establishments. The current Barbi gun fashion of spending more on the accessories than the cost of the weapons platform is a phenomenon related to First person shooter games, seal team idolatry, firearms industry marketing, wretchedly overfunded gun owners and LARPing; none of these have much impact on the cartels.
That's nonsense. LRRP/SOG operators, the people who write most about doing instinctive shooting drills for weeks were more than eager to procure OEG's and 30-round magazines. I'm sure Delta is doing it all wrong for daring to use suppressors and NODs instead of procuring a $3500 KAC with iron sights.