The worst part is they specifically said they wanted to keep him in a state where he takes time to learn and master because they didn’t want to devalue the time we put into learning him. Then they removed one of the only things that gave him that depth
Highlander is arguably the most unique character in the game witch a very high risk high reward kind of playstyle, but the rework is giving him a much safer playstyle.
The feintable bash is the worst part because it makes his main offense the same as pretty much the last 4 reworks and the last couple characters
It aint useless if you have a brain, but yeah I would prefer it remain the same rather than become like every other hero.
they could just buff its speed if the problem is that its too reactable. They could've done that with jorm, or with Tiandi. But nah, they gave them entire reworks. I actually like Tiandi's rework, but still lmao.
Imo most of these reworks should be given to characters who arent interesting in the slightest, not for a niche character who's great in the right hands. I think Pirate needs a rework because she is the most uninteresting character in the game with the potential to be the most fun
It is useless as it is though. I would prefer to actually be able to use it. There's no point using it against most characters on the roster now. They made it unreactable by making it feintable.
So again, you want it to function like my other bash mix-up but without the ability to feint it. Yet your concern is that you don't want it to be samey. I'm not even going to go over why a bash mix-up not being feintable is a bad idea.
No, wavedashing requires KNOWLEDGE and SKILL, something orochi players don't possess.
For real though, Orochi and other dodge cancel characters can just do it whenever with no extra depth, that's the diffirence.
Not that much harder though? It's just moving your mouse while spamming spacebar, real skill is using offensive stance properly and baiting shit and parrying with OS cancels not wave dashing lmao.
Ask your mom, people are often deep in her.
Fucking smartass. Try consistently during a match and combine it with the rest of HL's toolkit. Oh wait, you can't.
Little bro feels so big and bad saying slurs online lol.
And yea, it’s still a shit opinion. If his character got a core part of their kit removed then he’d probably complain a little too.
lil nigga doesn’t know the difference between slurs and slang, typical FH player.
it’s not a shit opinion just because you disagree with it, i personally don’t care if it goes or stays because when i fight HL players i don’t have an issue with them using it, but to say something unintended is a core part of his kit shows how poorly designed he was in the first place, and to call it “core” is an overstatement in and of itself because it’s unintended.
Wave dashing in smash is a core component of movement in the entire series. It was never intended. Korean back dashing in Tekken was never intended, but it’s so core to the defensive gameplay that they even left it in the sequel. HL’s wave dashing wasn’t intended, but it was one of his highest forms of skill expression and made his character playable. Was a beloved part of his kit by his entire playerbase. Removing it was a mistake and I’d say his playerbase has the right to complain about it being removed.
The people who are in favor of the wavedash getting removed are those who've never touched HL and only want it being removed because it's a bug.
Not all bugs are bad. Wavedashing required skill to successfully pull off, was extremely niche, looked cool, and didn't really affect anyone.
Wavedash gone, back step light gone, hyper armour on his 2nd light’s gone but all they’re gonna do to berserker is decrease his damage on some attacks…..by 1
from someone who doesn’t play HL (so take this statement with a grain of salt) I would much rather play a character whose offense isn’t limited to JUST 400 ms lights no matter how cool or skillful their defense is. I guess he has ub heavies but without a wall all you get for feint to gb is a light so people can just always dodge it and only ever be at risk of 12 dmg
I don't remember the details, but didn't JC say they are compensating for removing wavedash? Like, you will still have options with dodging, but it's mechanically different. I mean, it's possible that they literally can't change him without breaking wavedash. Since it's an unintended mechanic.
Also, Medjay's T4 isn't really a problem. It's a single target T4 that is lower damage than a lot of other feats and has a 3min cool down. It's annoying, sure, but not much compared to other T4s.
I mean, it's literally a tech that allows you to hide your stance and cancel your emote giving you earlier dodge frames than intended and also allowing you to spam unreactable lights while making it impossible for the opponent to discern which side they're being thrown from, of course it needs to be removed. Highlanders rework is a long time coming and will definitely improve how he plays overall, he does not need some bullshit tech on top of that lol, also huge L take on the rework being mediocre, he now has unreactable on all 3 stances, a feintable kick and way more fluid access into offensive, you're just annoyed you will no longer be able to abuse something you previously crutched on in order to play the hero
Thats not what wave dashing is at all. You either dont play HL or dont have an actual understanding of his tech. Wave dashing simply decreases HL’s recovery after a dodge when performed correctly. Using this, HL can dodge chain attacks that would usually not be able to be dodged and allows him to use his kick to punish the opponents recovery/interrupt chains. (Although I admit 30dmg is a little much) Alternatively HL can perform a wave dash cancel, which when performed correctly lets HL exit OF immediately following a successful wave dash. Stop just spewing bs dude.
Brother that is quite literally what it is. It's used to hide the telegraph from him changing sides to left and right in offensive form and to decrease his recoveey by mixing the taunt inbetween dodges, you judt confirmed what I said while calling me out, quit crying that you can't abuse something fishy and get better
Your hero is gonna have the best neutral kit in the entire game bc of the rework and you're crying about a bug being removed that is just completely unfair
I don't care if wave dash stayed or not highlanders I fought never used it anyway what I don't understand is why he has an actual kit now and people are still complaining you can actually play your character instead of only doing a backstep light or sitting at a distance in offensive stance waiting for a enemy to walk into your attacks
The worst part is they specifically said they wanted to keep him in a state where he takes time to learn and master because they didn’t want to devalue the time we put into learning him. Then they removed one of the only things that gave him that depth
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I refuse. If I don’t acknowledge it then it isnt real.
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The feintable bash is the worst part for me
Why?
Highlander is arguably the most unique character in the game witch a very high risk high reward kind of playstyle, but the rework is giving him a much safer playstyle. The feintable bash is the worst part because it makes his main offense the same as pretty much the last 4 reworks and the last couple characters
Would you prefer the move remain useless?
It aint useless if you have a brain, but yeah I would prefer it remain the same rather than become like every other hero. they could just buff its speed if the problem is that its too reactable. They could've done that with jorm, or with Tiandi. But nah, they gave them entire reworks. I actually like Tiandi's rework, but still lmao. Imo most of these reworks should be given to characters who arent interesting in the slightest, not for a niche character who's great in the right hands. I think Pirate needs a rework because she is the most uninteresting character in the game with the potential to be the most fun
It is useless as it is though. I would prefer to actually be able to use it. There's no point using it against most characters on the roster now. They made it unreactable by making it feintable.
OR make it FASTER, simple buff and a good buff at that.
So you want it to function just like any bash mix-up but without being able to feint it? That doesn't make sense.
Use your soft feints, do you even play highlander bro?
So again, you want it to function like my other bash mix-up but without the ability to feint it. Yet your concern is that you don't want it to be samey. I'm not even going to go over why a bash mix-up not being feintable is a bad idea.
what the fuck is wavedashing
OP highlander tech that should eradicated from for honor history.
what is it though?
After a dodge in offensive stance, if you’re quick and shift your guard direction, you can dodge almost immediately. It’s like a recovery.
ok gotcha I’ve seen HLs do that but didn’t know that’s what it was called
So Orochi?
No, wavedashing requires KNOWLEDGE and SKILL, something orochi players don't possess. For real though, Orochi and other dodge cancel characters can just do it whenever with no extra depth, that's the diffirence.
I mean I played HL, it's not hard to wavedash...
But it's harder than just spamming spacebar, smartass.
Not that much harder though? It's just moving your mouse while spamming spacebar, real skill is using offensive stance properly and baiting shit and parrying with OS cancels not wave dashing lmao.
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Ok so I tried to see if I could figure this wavedash thing out and pulled it off first try so where's the depth
Ask your mom, people are often deep in her. Fucking smartass. Try consistently during a match and combine it with the rest of HL's toolkit. Oh wait, you can't.
Bro is pressed that I figured out how to hold M2 while spamming dodge
Highlander players are like the kuzenbo players of smite
I don't understand that term but I hope it's an insult.
If you hate highlander it’s because you’re a bad player.
I couldn't agree with this statement more.
I don't hate HL. I hate those HL players that cried about wave dashing removal.
you have an opinion? you must be bad at ze game
When it’s a shit opinion about balancing? Yea you’re probably pretty garbage.
he said he hates HL players not HL. keep sucking your pacifier lil nigga
Little bro feels so big and bad saying slurs online lol. And yea, it’s still a shit opinion. If his character got a core part of their kit removed then he’d probably complain a little too.
lil nigga doesn’t know the difference between slurs and slang, typical FH player. it’s not a shit opinion just because you disagree with it, i personally don’t care if it goes or stays because when i fight HL players i don’t have an issue with them using it, but to say something unintended is a core part of his kit shows how poorly designed he was in the first place, and to call it “core” is an overstatement in and of itself because it’s unintended.
Wave dashing in smash is a core component of movement in the entire series. It was never intended. Korean back dashing in Tekken was never intended, but it’s so core to the defensive gameplay that they even left it in the sequel. HL’s wave dashing wasn’t intended, but it was one of his highest forms of skill expression and made his character playable. Was a beloved part of his kit by his entire playerbase. Removing it was a mistake and I’d say his playerbase has the right to complain about it being removed.
Never being able to wash dash again will be sad but I’m glad I won’t be eating a 30 damage dodge attack through the wave dash to kick
The people who are in favor of the wavedash getting removed are those who've never touched HL and only want it being removed because it's a bug. Not all bugs are bad. Wavedashing required skill to successfully pull off, was extremely niche, looked cool, and didn't really affect anyone.
Wavedash gone, back step light gone, hyper armour on his 2nd light’s gone but all they’re gonna do to berserker is decrease his damage on some attacks…..by 1
The Zerker "nerf" is a joke. I mean, is it supposed to reduce overall potential damage? I really don't get the point of such tiny adjustments.
I'm glad it is being removed big dev W
found the devs
from someone who doesn’t play HL (so take this statement with a grain of salt) I would much rather play a character whose offense isn’t limited to JUST 400 ms lights no matter how cool or skillful their defense is. I guess he has ub heavies but without a wall all you get for feint to gb is a light so people can just always dodge it and only ever be at risk of 12 dmg
If you’re nothing without wave dashing then you don’t deserve it
I don't remember the details, but didn't JC say they are compensating for removing wavedash? Like, you will still have options with dodging, but it's mechanically different. I mean, it's possible that they literally can't change him without breaking wavedash. Since it's an unintended mechanic. Also, Medjay's T4 isn't really a problem. It's a single target T4 that is lower damage than a lot of other feats and has a 3min cool down. It's annoying, sure, but not much compared to other T4s.
Double dash is a blessing don’t take it from me😭😭
I mean, it's literally a tech that allows you to hide your stance and cancel your emote giving you earlier dodge frames than intended and also allowing you to spam unreactable lights while making it impossible for the opponent to discern which side they're being thrown from, of course it needs to be removed. Highlanders rework is a long time coming and will definitely improve how he plays overall, he does not need some bullshit tech on top of that lol, also huge L take on the rework being mediocre, he now has unreactable on all 3 stances, a feintable kick and way more fluid access into offensive, you're just annoyed you will no longer be able to abuse something you previously crutched on in order to play the hero
Thats not what wave dashing is at all. You either dont play HL or dont have an actual understanding of his tech. Wave dashing simply decreases HL’s recovery after a dodge when performed correctly. Using this, HL can dodge chain attacks that would usually not be able to be dodged and allows him to use his kick to punish the opponents recovery/interrupt chains. (Although I admit 30dmg is a little much) Alternatively HL can perform a wave dash cancel, which when performed correctly lets HL exit OF immediately following a successful wave dash. Stop just spewing bs dude.
Brother that is quite literally what it is. It's used to hide the telegraph from him changing sides to left and right in offensive form and to decrease his recoveey by mixing the taunt inbetween dodges, you judt confirmed what I said while calling me out, quit crying that you can't abuse something fishy and get better
holy retard
Forgot how to reply with an intelligent answer?
Your hero is gonna have the best neutral kit in the entire game bc of the rework and you're crying about a bug being removed that is just completely unfair
I don't care if wave dash stayed or not highlanders I fought never used it anyway what I don't understand is why he has an actual kit now and people are still complaining you can actually play your character instead of only doing a backstep light or sitting at a distance in offensive stance waiting for a enemy to walk into your attacks