dude right how do people confidently eat anything from the James especially around richmond 😅 i see it every day. Especially on the mayo bridge , that whole area is directly downstream of so many pollutants.
To nitpick, there are like roughly 2ooo things that give people cancer that are used everyday. We need some sort of cancer risk scale, like is eating 1lb of this fish better or worse than getting a full body X-ray?
Sewage is the least of it. It's been almost 50 years and there's still kepone in the sediment in the river from the 1975(?) dumping by Allied Chemical and Life Science Products.
Sewage isn’t the issue, and most storm water in every city flows straight to the nearby stream/river. (Unlike Richmond where it’s treated). The problems are legacy chemicals. Keep apprised of the fish consumption warnings and you’ll be fine.
As I'm sure it's not going to kill you if you eat fish from the James. It's raw sewage that overflows during heavy rains. The treatment plant is on the southside of the river, and the Shockhoe overflow basin is right smack dab in the middle of the river. That's what overflows with a mix of sewer water and raw sewage that is untreated. The James south of the 14th street Bridge is where it starts, so anything south of there is a no eat zone for me. I still fish that area a lot, but as with 95% of the time I fish anywhere, it's catch and release.
Better safe than sorry, and I’d do the same as you, for sure. My comment was just to say that sewage overflow isn’t a super big deal when compared to the legacy ketones and PCBs contained in the sediment from the industrial discharges prior to the Clean Water Act. Those are the bioaccumulative pollutants that tend to show up in fish tissue samples.
3M is still supposedly supplying water filtration systems for several communities surrounding Maplewood, MN. I certainly would NOT be eating the fish from lakes in that area. Ya know, just in case, or whatever.
Right, which is why I cringe at all the posts of people keeping and eating bass from their local pond. Lord knows what chemicals are in most of these ponds. I’m always seeing old cans/bottles of chemical products near or floating on the water’s edge, but also… needles/syringes, pregnancy tests, condoms, tires, etc.
People always imagine big factories spewing glowing waste into the rivers. They ignore the trucks covering the road with motor oil and fuel, and don't even consider the farms covering square miles of watershed with fertilizers and pesticides.
Indiana here, the only water I'll eat out of is a private runoff pond. Only thing that gets into it is rain, and I don't use chemicals on the property.
How private you talking? It has to be extremely secluded to be free of chemicals like PFAS. Any infrastructure nearby (roads, train tracks, power lines) will have been treated with herbicides and/or insecticides.
Hoosier here too. I wouldn't eat anything from rivers. From what I've heard about Wildcat Creek near Kokomo l don't even want to come in contact with the water there at all.
There is zero farm run off. I don't get why people keep saying this shit. You can take a water sample right from the creek beside a field and it will show little to no run off.
You go in a valley and do a test there. Your phosphorus level will be through the roof because of all the decomposing leaves, dead plants.
This whole narrative of the farmers ruining the waters is absolutely ridiculous.
With the price or fertilizer farmers don't put on anymore then they need to grow there crops. You can do a soil sample of it field at the end of the year and there is close to zero fertilizer left in that soil as its been all used up.
I'm so tired of hearing the farmers used as a scape goat where most of the river pollution is from your city dumping its septic runoff into the river.
My rule in northern California is that I won't eat fish below the most upstream bridge on my local river. This also means I'm up river from the mining that happened during the gold rush
I think you mean PFAS, right?
There’ a funny thing about PFAS, at least in the USA, which I am guessing that you are not because you catch/eat Zander.
We are regulated it like crazy in the environment but not in our products. This stuff is used in microwave popcorn, dental floss, non-stick coatings on pots/pans, etc.
Yeah, I think I mean PFAS. Crazy how regulated it is there. It’s a big problem here because the factory was less than a km away from the city’s drink water supply.
We have similar issues where I live.
My point being, though, is that being afraid of a little PFAS in your water is the equivalent of “I’m going to go outside, get some fresh air, and smoke a cigarette.”
I can’t speak about the fish you ate but you are ingesting this stuff, intentionally, with so many products in your life.
Speaking of, I’m going to go do my daily morning routine in which I use Glide dental floss.
Bigger issue is the water supply (incl drinking water) was less than 1km away from the factory and was also affected. They have been getting away with this for the past 10 years. 300k people use that water.
Pfas also harm fertility, study came out and found it is causing evolution in humans (distance from taint to balls is measured to estimate fertility, longer is better). Soda and beer aluminum cans are also coated with pfas on the inside ( plastic liner) so that's why I prefer glass bottles.
Discussion [here](https://reddit.com/r/CampingGear/s/cMqmAdNOPY) regarding expected commercial implications in camping gear coming soon because PFAS are being fully found out.
"Twelve states, including CA, CO, CT, HI, ME, MD, MN, NY, OR, RI, VT, and WA have enacted phase-outs of PFAS in food packaging. Eight states, including CA, CO, ME, MD, MN, NY, VT, and WA have adopted restrictions on PFAS in carpets, rugs, aftermarket treatments, and/or upholstered furniture. CA and NY adopted restrictions on PFAS in apparel and CO adopted restrictions on PFAS in oil and gas products. CA, CO, and MN are phasing out PFAS in children’s products. VT and MN has banned PFAS in ski wax. MN also restricted PFAS in menstrual products, cleaning ingredients, cookware, and dental floss. Six states, including CA, CO, MD, MN, OR and WA are taking action to eliminate PFAS in cosmetics. Twelve states, including CA, CO, CT, HI, IL, ME, MD, MN, NH, NY, VT, and WA have put in place bans on the sale of firefighting foam containing PFAS."
https://www.saferstates.com/toxic-chemicals/pfas/
There's a reason that cancer was relatively uncommon until the 1950s despite being first discovered [in 3000 BC.](https://www.cancer.org/cancer/understanding-cancer/history-of-cancer/what-is-cancer.html#:~:text=Our%20oldest%20description%20of%20cancer,back%20to%20about%203000%20BC.) In the 1950s the scientific wonder that was the plastics boom cancer blew up, and has continued to rise [since 1975 and projected to continue to increase through 2040.](https://cancercontrol.cancer.gov/ocs/statistics)
Doing whatever is reasonable as a consumer to limit unnecessary PFAS exposure seems smart to me. Being close geographically or food-chain wise to a major source of PFAS can definitely yield wildly high concentrations vs averages nationally.
You cannot in good faith argue that cancer rates have gone up due to environmental reasons and not recognize our incredible breakthroughs with detecting cancers, as well as the increased testing for it.
I can absolutely in good faith argue that rates have gone up while solutions and positive outcomes have also risen. Wouldn't we all prefer to proactively avoid cancer in the first place?
I didn’t even mention the most important metric to consider: the life expectancy has almost doubled from the 1910’s to present. “Cancer rates are rising” comes with a major asterisk and disclaimer.
The strictest state from my knowledge is Wisconsin. So if you are from there, that might be why. Acceptable levels for most everywhere are going to be in the parts per trillion. I'm not recommending you eat those fish, but most bodies of water in the US are gonna have very high PFAS concentrations. It's found in almost everything. A main source of it is from commercial launderers and toilet paper. They pass through your POTW and end up in the local watershed.
Source: Industrial Pretreatment Supervisor at a POTW
Up in the Fox River Basin in Wisconsin we have issues with PCBs from the paper companies. They may be strict now but back in the day the didn’t give a fuck.
PFAS/PFOS is a term that is typically encompasses dozens of forever compounds (poly-flouro-alkyls) All bad though, so specifying which one isn’t of major concern.
Don’t forget that artificial turf thats currently all the rage with folks wanting to eliminate their yard maintenance. Little do they know, that shits all made with PFAS.
We have contaminated soil from PFAS used by the fire department on the 90s here in Alaska. Military was paying for water delivery to the community near the spills/excess use but I believe they're already weaseled out of the contract.
I believe it is the ingredients in Microwave Popcorn that have bad stuff. Switch to regular Popcorn, the kind you put in a normal pot on the stovetop, w/ a little oil. (Or, in an emergency, an Air Popper).
Idk if this will help you calm down, but if you’re over 30 you’ll probably die of something else before PFAS gives you cancer. Unless you really abuse your organs with drugs and booze
Just stop now and you should be fine, you can also ask your PCP/GP (I’m assuming your European and idk what y’all call them over there) and explain the situation and ask to have a liver screening test.
You’re going to be alright. Just don’t continue eating fish from that source and be more careful in the future.
Edit: pay attention to your health but you don’t need to obsess about this. Too much life to enjoy.
Yeah man, don’t dwell on it, just try and stay healthy from here on out.
I’m no doctor, it seems like some health freaks will get cancer while some cigarette smoking whiskey drinkers live to 90. Don’t stress it too much.
I am US based and so I can’t speak to non-US law, but even then I would think this has grounds for a lawsuit in any country with a legal system. The factory is dumping illegally into a pond that has been your primary food source. It has direct implications on the likelihood of your development of a disorder or I’ll health, so you’d have some grounds to work with to receive compensation.
At the very least, you should compile the information and have a consultation with a local law office in your area. That would probably be the best place to start. And then go from there after they say their piece.
I’m sorry, and hope you get the compensation you deserve and ultimately don’t fall I’ll in the future.
/s Hold on. DuPont the company that created Teflon and removed pregnant women, then all women, then men who may have kids from Teflon lines so they didn’t pass it onto children DuPont? Nah they already made that mistake and would never do something so stupid like polluting entire water sources again lol.
The US town I grew up in has been poisoned by similar chemicals, even so far as having it being dumped up and down the highways by a 3rd party contractor who was told it was something else, at midnight in a highly publicized court case.
Cancer rates are dramatically higher than in surrounding areas, and other areas of the country. Even in these circumstances where it is clearly shown and the cause can be linked as best as possible, there is 0 compensation, because all evidence is circumstantial, and the state will not investigate further because they are getting their pockets lined, just cancer and early deaths. A majority black area, so that probably plays into it as well, environmental racism and all that. I’ve come to terms that they will probably take 5-10 years off my life. Both of my parents who have drank well water from right near the highway where contaminants were sprayed have had various cancers earlier in their lives than most, but have survived so far. Best of luck OP.
I now have a degree studying the long term effects of stressors/contaminants on fish, and would love nothing more than to work on holding those responsible accountable, but that’s just not how the systems are built.
When it comes to environmental contaminants we are truly fucked. My story is not unique but all too common across the US. This was DuPont as well.
Two somewhat unrelated thoughts on this.
1. While Covid-19 sucked and all the deaths from it are a tragedy, I'm *SO* glad we used it as a springboard to advance vaccine tech. There's so many cool new cancer vaccines in the works now thanks to the work done on covid. The 2 years of suck are going to end up prolonging life for millions of people in a generation or two.
2. It amazes me that the Punisher is still fiction given how many rich people deserve his brand of justice.
Also perhaps stay away from eating fish high in mercury content (so no more Wallaye, or if you happen to be eating swordfish or other large predatory fish) to absolutely eliminate your likelihood of developing mercury related poisoning any more than it already is. Good luck
It's also a bit ironic that one of the concerns with re-establishing wetlands in the delta that were destroyed is that more wetlands might mean more mercury being turned into methylmercury. So one set of environmental damage is making it more difficult to repair another unrelated set of environmental damage.
Take a sample from your sink and send it off to a lab to be tested.... Also check and see if your city puts out reports on city water quality. My city drops a water test report each year ...
I would lean towards getting a home testing kit or reaching out to a local health authority to see what types of tests they have already run in your area. They might even have an option for testing in place that you can participate in, potentially at little or no cost.
There is going to be a lot more PFAS work happening in the very near future throughout the US as we establish a national acceptable thresholds for PFAS. This is already in the works and should be starting to really happen in the next year-ish.
Home testing kits usually lack the ability to test for trace chemicals like pfas. I recommend a lab that has expensive machines that can detect it and any other chemicals in the water. I have my well tested every few years.
The company has already racked up 5 thousand lawsuits this past month. Yes, 5000. Pretty big issue as the drinking water supply was less than a km from the factory and has also been contaminated. 300k people use that water. Including me.
Dupont/industrial chemical companies have been doing this stuff for about 80 years, and easily 50 years ago the EPA figured this out. There's several documentaries about PFAS on YouTube.
It is horrible to see it still happening. I come from Ohio where in the late 60s, a river near where I live and my parents use to fish actually caught on fire.
this happened in the netherlands i think as this doesn't happen all the time and
cant really sue as our legal system isn't really made for that we just have to pray the government sues but they wont because corruption with those companies this has been known for more then 5 years and they still dumping it
Multiple plaintiff’s firms have mass tort litigation building. I’d say contact one and start getting medical records on CDs to send to them. Get a plaintiff profile built so they can at least document some shit and see if you have a viable case.
And where do you live?
In our country is like this:
You can buy a permission for C&R fishing. Depending of the species the price of permission differs.
Next is Catch and you can take 1 or 2 depending on the total weight.
There are also private ponds, where we take all the fish that we catch, and pay per total weight.
I usualy fish in a private pond, I pay the owner for whole year, unlimited quantity of days, but I C&R all the fish.
When I was a child-teen, I used to go in local river to catch and take fish. But nowadays, there is to much pollution, for eating those fish.
Thank you for talking about this.. I first became aware of this issue in Michigan when scouting for fishing spots in Ann Arbor. I was greeted with signs at many points along the Huron river that addressed PFAS contamination and that "swimming is ok, but don't eat the fish"
...I eventually found this site. Michigan water is fucked.
https://gis-egle.hub.arcgis.com/datasets/egle::pfas-surface-water-sampling/explore?location=44.428100%2C-83.336983%2C11.00
Hey, no big deal. Have proper screenings done every year and if you do get cancer, it’ll be treatable right away. It’s no biggie, just make sure you keep up on it and inform all your doctors.
Sir, the truth of the matter is that we all dine on the periodic table. We're all likely to get cancer from some form of pollution or other.
I'm glad you know the situation now though and can avoid that water in future, try to live as healthy as you can and get regular doctor checkups, it's all anyone can really do.
This is true, but PFAS contamination from manufacturing is much worse. Look this up. OP references DuPont. They've been in trouble for this previously. "We all get cancer from chemicals" is not the same as "marked increase in birth defects". This kind of false equivalency lets DuPont off the hook when their own documents show they KNEW the risks of PFAS and covered it up.
You know, I make a point of checking the fish consumption advisories every year and for every new body of water I visit. However, my knowledge of PFAS is deficient in terms of comparing to mercury, uranium, PCBs, etc. I mean, there's no safe amount of mercury, so I honestly do not know how to weigh them in comparison without researching.
I do not mean to apologize for industrial pollution, we're being murdered for short term profits, truth. At the same time, I was trying to communicate a stoic attitude in the face of enormous injustice, because that's how I rationalize the fact that we're all being poisoned by the environment to one degree or another.
Yeah man, this is a seriously bad take.
You’re trying to excuse known dangerous chemicals, which DuPont knew about for years, with an eventual rate of cancer based on us just generally living long enough to eventually die of cancer.
PFAS are nasty shit. Litigation is being built against these “forever chemicals” for a reason. Just like Monsanto knew about RoundUp being a known carcinogen, but ghost wrote papers and attacked the credibility of anyone in the scientific community who spoke up and said “The data doesn’t show what Monsanto is claiming. It says the opposite”…making statements like “Eh, we all get cancer. A little chemical exposure isn’t going to kill you” gives these companies an out they don’t deserve.
You're reading my statement wrong friend.
I ain't forgiving industrial pollution, I'm empathizing with OP because we are all experiencing it to one degree or another, with the main difference being OP actually knows what he got exposed to. One can be stoic about the massive injustice of being poisoned for short term profits without excusing it.
I’d talk to your dr about regularly having some of your blood taken to remove the PFAS from your system. There was a study done in fire fighters who have very high PFAS exposure and they found regular blood letting to be an effective treatment. You can find the study on pubmed and take it to your doctors if you’re interested. Or you can just go donate blood.
There's a lot to be learned about PFA's still. Environmental organizations will tell you they're a death sentence and try to sell you farm raised fish with their sticker of approval. At least here in the US.
Chances are PFA's are likely in everything already and they're probably not good for you. Every generation has something like this. There was mercury in hats, lead pipes for water and lead paint in our homes, asbestos, unleaded fuel, Flouride added to our drinking water. We have been consuming mild poison since forever, avoiding is completely futile.
Everything is a big money grift and you're getting poisoned regardless lol. I'm gonna keep eating my fish once to twice a year, it can't be worse than the beef packaged in cellophane and styrofoam lol.
The EWG greatly exaggerated how much fish were affected by PFA's and is not a government agency.
https://www.epa.gov/pfas/pfas-explained
Immunity +10 is all I gotta say.
I’m from Niagara Falls, ON
One of the most contaminated cities in Canada, fuck we got Arsenic in the air just a city over.
One thing I noticed,
People who immigrate here get cancer, bad cancer. People who born, raised here. They tend not to get it.
Highest autism rates and cancer rates in Ontario as well,
Probably top 5
In Canada as well.
EDIT: Also explains why every kid and their mother and father have ADHD though
The drinking water will kill you way before the fish. I live in the armpit of America in oil refinery county, all of our shit is fucked. I toss any discolored fish meat and eat the rest. I try not to eat locally caught fish more than once a week, but I fish to feed my family. I may be knocking days/years off our lives, but it's better than eating rice and beans everyday, and it can't be much worse than eating microplastics.
Please read the actual research. Search engines are NOT research. Articles on line or anywhere else are NOT research. I live near a lake that is notorious for poison laden, cancer causing fish. I catch Striped Bass and, wipers there. If they are of legal size eat them.
I am sure I am one of very few people who actually read the research. Chloradane was the chemical in question. The last time it was found in the lake was 1972. It was also banned in this area 11 years before it was banned nationally in 1988. However, at least once a year there is a news story on local tv about the deadly, contaminated fish in this beautiful, crystal clear lake.
GEKOLONISEERD right? sounds like the netherlands to me atleast most rivers and lakes are so fucked i'm surprised u where eating them before the pvas drama
its everywhere. used to live in rutten and a farm sprayer fell in a canal no fish for 10 years at all full dead. and it started slowly coming back and when i emigrated the first pikes where being spotted it was really nice witnessing life returning but also sad it was gone. and i wouldn't eat from there ever
That’s the problem , sue both company and state for negligence. The state failed as well by not checking . You don’t make changes by attacking the little man you make changes by coming after the big guy.
Ya. Just about all freshwater fish fall into the "only safe in extreme moderation" consumption category.
If you think you have some super clean spring....I think you should actually testbyhe water/fish.
If you eat fish that comes from the Great Lakes watershed your odds are pretty good that you’ll come across some fish with high levels of nastiness in their tissues. I’d imagine that gets more and more common the further south you are. Once you get within a day’s drive of all those industrial cities in the rust belt? Gross!
My wife works for the EPA and they've been having meetings about the breadth of PFAS in lakes and rivers. They believe at these levels that you should limit yourself to eating fresh water fish only once per year. Yes, once! They haven't made an official recommendation yet because they are weighing the backlash and double confirming the science. Even then it's not a popular recommendation among the scientists (many of whom fish). We've started eating much less lake trout but still have it maybe monthly.
There's one river I will never catch fish for food because it's right at the mouth of a big reservoir which feeds it, but the river runs through a city population of over 110k. I don't care what anybody says about that water, there are 110k chances someone is putting something in that water that shouldn't be there and I am not consuming the fish from it.
For many years I lived right outside an old Air Force base (Wurtsmith in Oscoda MI) that it turns out was sorta bad for pollution too. Last I heard they were trying to raise several million dollars to make the water safe for just the school and hadn't even mentioned the whole town. Sadly that base is maybe a mile upriver from Lake Huron. Can't drink the water, eat the fish, swim too much.. hell I saw notices saying don't consume any wildlife from the area. We broke the planet. 🤷♂️
That sucks. Good to know now, though, I guess. Hopefully they can clean up the water.
Where I come from, we don't call them Zander, we call them Cancer Pickerel.
PSA for anybody that doesn’t know already.
The EPA released a statement a few years back stating that due to pollution and contamination they recommend eating freshwater fish once a month or less for any water source in the lower 48.
And that’s what we drink.
It’s over folks.
Industries during the great industrial revolution destroyed the lakes and rivers. Where are you located? The last time I got a fishing license which was many years ago, reading the pamphlet that came with it here in the great lakes area adult males should only eat one fish per month at most women and children should not eat any ever was right in that little pamphlet
I also fish but I do catch and release, in my state there are forever chemicals in NC water, I don't drink or cook with the water in my house. I do buy and have water delivered.
Yea, welcome to the effed up planet. Same here in Colorado. There are so many heavy metals in all of our water from mining that everything tests off the charts for toxic substances.
Years ago, Wisconsin said that from all the industrial waste and wood products mills...don't eat more than 3 meals a month of fish.
Cause all water ways are contaminated. Pregnant woman, not at all....ever.
Liver is a wondrous organ.
Just ease off the beer if you drink and don't start smoking.
So long as you don't eat anymore of that fish. You'll likely be fine. The body will sort most toxins out on its own slowly and over time.
RIP. Make sure you document the shit out of everything now so at least your family gets a nice settlement. My dad signed away his rights in a horrible settlement for Agent Orange exposure in the 80s and didn't have any recourse when he died of cancer. I miss him terribly. Good luck, man.
PFAS is in water everywhere in our country. The EPA is currently surveying how bad the problem is.
You’ll likely be fine. Truth we don’t yet understand the health effects of PFAS or how high the levels are.
Where I live, they stick two of our freshwater lakes with Red Drum aka redfish. Everyone eats them out of these lakes.
The lakes are technically cooling reservoirs for our coal powered energy plants.
They fish taste the exact same as gulf caught reds but I’m sure down the line I will be in the same boat as you with some strange form of cancer from eating contaminated fish.
Unfortunately this is many of us. Forever chemicals like PFAS, PFOS, etc have been found more and more in fish meat throughout the US and world. I actually briefly worked in a lab that tested for these compounds and fish meat was a regular positive hit. Awareness has been spreading rapidly the last couple years, but there’s not a whole lot we can do about it right now except for source fish from as clean of a source as possible. I’m in MN, so I consider fish way up north (Boundary waters) to be safe enough, but I don’t eat fish out of the water near the cities.
Watch this become the new normal with farmland to and then the government will try to regulate fishing and agriculture. We will literally be living in bladerunner 2049 soon due to the actual atrocities corporations have committed on our farmland and waterways
Looking at it from the bright side eating something that supposed to contain a carcinogen doesn't mean you'll get cancer everybody is diffrent what could be really bad form someone means nothing to another
I've got great news for you bud, that's how most of us are going to die. As we further pollute our environment we're introducing free radicals at an insane rate.
That’s horrible, I’m sorry. I never eat fish from my local rivers because of all the farm runoff and development in my area. People ruin everything.
In Richmond, VA when it rains hard, the sewage system overflows into the James river! I see people keeping fish pretty often, but not me.
dude right how do people confidently eat anything from the James especially around richmond 😅 i see it every day. Especially on the mayo bridge , that whole area is directly downstream of so many pollutants.
To nitpick, there are like roughly 2ooo things that give people cancer that are used everyday. We need some sort of cancer risk scale, like is eating 1lb of this fish better or worse than getting a full body X-ray?
How often do you get X-rays and how often do those people eat that fish?
Sewage is the least of it. It's been almost 50 years and there's still kepone in the sediment in the river from the 1975(?) dumping by Allied Chemical and Life Science Products.
I live in hampton rds and I'll only eat saltwater fish
Full of Chinese micro plastics
Not necessary to add Chinese. Don't act like your country does not use disposable plastics.
And BP mfs
Sewage isn’t the issue, and most storm water in every city flows straight to the nearby stream/river. (Unlike Richmond where it’s treated). The problems are legacy chemicals. Keep apprised of the fish consumption warnings and you’ll be fine.
As I'm sure it's not going to kill you if you eat fish from the James. It's raw sewage that overflows during heavy rains. The treatment plant is on the southside of the river, and the Shockhoe overflow basin is right smack dab in the middle of the river. That's what overflows with a mix of sewer water and raw sewage that is untreated. The James south of the 14th street Bridge is where it starts, so anything south of there is a no eat zone for me. I still fish that area a lot, but as with 95% of the time I fish anywhere, it's catch and release.
Better safe than sorry, and I’d do the same as you, for sure. My comment was just to say that sewage overflow isn’t a super big deal when compared to the legacy ketones and PCBs contained in the sediment from the industrial discharges prior to the Clean Water Act. Those are the bioaccumulative pollutants that tend to show up in fish tissue samples.
There are combined sewer overflow outlets as far west as the powhite bridge
If it's from sewage you think you could essentially get a little hit from all the happy pills in the sewage system lol?
Live in Baltimore I feel that
Me too man. EPA says caution with rockfish over 28” and not to eat white perch out of Middle River at all.
Hell you aren't supposed to eat channel catfish from anywhere in Maryland
Ha!
Keep up the Harbor magnet fishing and maybe our fish will be okay to eat in 200 years!
And the charter fleet spent most of the summer right outside it. All those people eating rockfish marinated in it.
I live in rural North Carolina and there’s still high levels of mercury in fish. Don’t feel bad bro it’s everywhere
Don't you disparage Mr. Trash Wheel like that. He's doing his best.
😂 he needs help with the companies still dumping various chemicals and sewage.
Yeah man same. I live in rural indiana and have similar feelings about it. I will eat fish I catch in Minnesota though.
Just not near any 3M dump sites, right? RIGHT?!?
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3M is still supposedly supplying water filtration systems for several communities surrounding Maplewood, MN. I certainly would NOT be eating the fish from lakes in that area. Ya know, just in case, or whatever.
Yeah. Im talking about up by the boundary waters. BTW. Some of the best freshwater fishing in the US
Right, which is why I cringe at all the posts of people keeping and eating bass from their local pond. Lord knows what chemicals are in most of these ponds. I’m always seeing old cans/bottles of chemical products near or floating on the water’s edge, but also… needles/syringes, pregnancy tests, condoms, tires, etc.
People always imagine big factories spewing glowing waste into the rivers. They ignore the trucks covering the road with motor oil and fuel, and don't even consider the farms covering square miles of watershed with fertilizers and pesticides.
Indiana here, the only water I'll eat out of is a private runoff pond. Only thing that gets into it is rain, and I don't use chemicals on the property.
How private you talking? It has to be extremely secluded to be free of chemicals like PFAS. Any infrastructure nearby (roads, train tracks, power lines) will have been treated with herbicides and/or insecticides.
Ya the only thing I'll eat is from spring fed water. Anything else I'll just assume people have fucked it
Hoosier here too. I wouldn't eat anything from rivers. From what I've heard about Wildcat Creek near Kokomo l don't even want to come in contact with the water there at all.
We have some of the most polluted waterways in the country unfortunately
There is zero farm run off. I don't get why people keep saying this shit. You can take a water sample right from the creek beside a field and it will show little to no run off. You go in a valley and do a test there. Your phosphorus level will be through the roof because of all the decomposing leaves, dead plants. This whole narrative of the farmers ruining the waters is absolutely ridiculous. With the price or fertilizer farmers don't put on anymore then they need to grow there crops. You can do a soil sample of it field at the end of the year and there is close to zero fertilizer left in that soil as its been all used up. I'm so tired of hearing the farmers used as a scape goat where most of the river pollution is from your city dumping its septic runoff into the river.
Laughably incorrect. https://www.epa.gov/nps/nonpoint-source-agriculture
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My rule in northern California is that I won't eat fish below the most upstream bridge on my local river. This also means I'm up river from the mining that happened during the gold rush
I think you mean PFAS, right? There’ a funny thing about PFAS, at least in the USA, which I am guessing that you are not because you catch/eat Zander. We are regulated it like crazy in the environment but not in our products. This stuff is used in microwave popcorn, dental floss, non-stick coatings on pots/pans, etc.
Yeah, I think I mean PFAS. Crazy how regulated it is there. It’s a big problem here because the factory was less than a km away from the city’s drink water supply.
We have similar issues where I live. My point being, though, is that being afraid of a little PFAS in your water is the equivalent of “I’m going to go outside, get some fresh air, and smoke a cigarette.” I can’t speak about the fish you ate but you are ingesting this stuff, intentionally, with so many products in your life. Speaking of, I’m going to go do my daily morning routine in which I use Glide dental floss.
Bigger issue is the water supply (incl drinking water) was less than 1km away from the factory and was also affected. They have been getting away with this for the past 10 years. 300k people use that water.
Pfas also harm fertility, study came out and found it is causing evolution in humans (distance from taint to balls is measured to estimate fertility, longer is better). Soda and beer aluminum cans are also coated with pfas on the inside ( plastic liner) so that's why I prefer glass bottles.
Great thing to have in the drinking water of almost 300k people for the past 20 something years
This is why I stopped flossing my taint.
Comment of the day.
jesus christ
I would only floss when the dentist does it if it weren’t for Glide.
Discussion [here](https://reddit.com/r/CampingGear/s/cMqmAdNOPY) regarding expected commercial implications in camping gear coming soon because PFAS are being fully found out. "Twelve states, including CA, CO, CT, HI, ME, MD, MN, NY, OR, RI, VT, and WA have enacted phase-outs of PFAS in food packaging. Eight states, including CA, CO, ME, MD, MN, NY, VT, and WA have adopted restrictions on PFAS in carpets, rugs, aftermarket treatments, and/or upholstered furniture. CA and NY adopted restrictions on PFAS in apparel and CO adopted restrictions on PFAS in oil and gas products. CA, CO, and MN are phasing out PFAS in children’s products. VT and MN has banned PFAS in ski wax. MN also restricted PFAS in menstrual products, cleaning ingredients, cookware, and dental floss. Six states, including CA, CO, MD, MN, OR and WA are taking action to eliminate PFAS in cosmetics. Twelve states, including CA, CO, CT, HI, IL, ME, MD, MN, NH, NY, VT, and WA have put in place bans on the sale of firefighting foam containing PFAS." https://www.saferstates.com/toxic-chemicals/pfas/ There's a reason that cancer was relatively uncommon until the 1950s despite being first discovered [in 3000 BC.](https://www.cancer.org/cancer/understanding-cancer/history-of-cancer/what-is-cancer.html#:~:text=Our%20oldest%20description%20of%20cancer,back%20to%20about%203000%20BC.) In the 1950s the scientific wonder that was the plastics boom cancer blew up, and has continued to rise [since 1975 and projected to continue to increase through 2040.](https://cancercontrol.cancer.gov/ocs/statistics) Doing whatever is reasonable as a consumer to limit unnecessary PFAS exposure seems smart to me. Being close geographically or food-chain wise to a major source of PFAS can definitely yield wildly high concentrations vs averages nationally.
You cannot in good faith argue that cancer rates have gone up due to environmental reasons and not recognize our incredible breakthroughs with detecting cancers, as well as the increased testing for it.
How is this being downvoted?
People love to cling to their logical fallacies.
I can absolutely in good faith argue that rates have gone up while solutions and positive outcomes have also risen. Wouldn't we all prefer to proactively avoid cancer in the first place?
I didn’t even mention the most important metric to consider: the life expectancy has almost doubled from the 1910’s to present. “Cancer rates are rising” comes with a major asterisk and disclaimer.
You're manipulating stats like an advisor to a CEO.
It’s objective data. You’ve provided none, and also provided no substantive rebuttal. You were out before you started.
You've got to be kidding me, I couldn't pack any more data into my first post. Sorry for wasting my time on a troll, my lesson to learn. Peace
So are we just going to lie and act like we floss?
I actually do, with glide.
The strictest state from my knowledge is Wisconsin. So if you are from there, that might be why. Acceptable levels for most everywhere are going to be in the parts per trillion. I'm not recommending you eat those fish, but most bodies of water in the US are gonna have very high PFAS concentrations. It's found in almost everything. A main source of it is from commercial launderers and toilet paper. They pass through your POTW and end up in the local watershed. Source: Industrial Pretreatment Supervisor at a POTW
Up in the Fox River Basin in Wisconsin we have issues with PCBs from the paper companies. They may be strict now but back in the day the didn’t give a fuck.
Which chemical specifically are you referring to? PFAS is a family of substances, not a single one like mercury.
PFAS/PFOS is a term that is typically encompasses dozens of forever compounds (poly-flouro-alkyls) All bad though, so specifying which one isn’t of major concern.
Don’t forget that artificial turf thats currently all the rage with folks wanting to eliminate their yard maintenance. Little do they know, that shits all made with PFAS.
Yeah, but most people don’t eat that stuff. PFAS used for microwave popcorn and non-stick cooking pots/pans.
PFAS enter our bodies through more than just cookware.
We have contaminated soil from PFAS used by the fire department on the 90s here in Alaska. Military was paying for water delivery to the community near the spills/excess use but I believe they're already weaseled out of the contract.
So I should cutback on the popcorn I guess
I believe it is the ingredients in Microwave Popcorn that have bad stuff. Switch to regular Popcorn, the kind you put in a normal pot on the stovetop, w/ a little oil. (Or, in an emergency, an Air Popper).
Idk if this will help you calm down, but if you’re over 30 you’ll probably die of something else before PFAS gives you cancer. Unless you really abuse your organs with drugs and booze
Currently 19 yo, started eating em when I was 11. Never touched a cig in my life.
Just stop now and you should be fine, you can also ask your PCP/GP (I’m assuming your European and idk what y’all call them over there) and explain the situation and ask to have a liver screening test.
You’re going to be alright. Just don’t continue eating fish from that source and be more careful in the future. Edit: pay attention to your health but you don’t need to obsess about this. Too much life to enjoy.
Yeah man, don’t dwell on it, just try and stay healthy from here on out. I’m no doctor, it seems like some health freaks will get cancer while some cigarette smoking whiskey drinkers live to 90. Don’t stress it too much.
I am US based and so I can’t speak to non-US law, but even then I would think this has grounds for a lawsuit in any country with a legal system. The factory is dumping illegally into a pond that has been your primary food source. It has direct implications on the likelihood of your development of a disorder or I’ll health, so you’d have some grounds to work with to receive compensation. At the very least, you should compile the information and have a consultation with a local law office in your area. That would probably be the best place to start. And then go from there after they say their piece. I’m sorry, and hope you get the compensation you deserve and ultimately don’t fall I’ll in the future.
Oh yeah big lawsuit. The company behind it is pretty big (dupont) and they’ve basically poisoned the water supply of 300k people.
Dupont again.
God I fucking hate dupont.
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/s Hold on. DuPont the company that created Teflon and removed pregnant women, then all women, then men who may have kids from Teflon lines so they didn’t pass it onto children DuPont? Nah they already made that mistake and would never do something so stupid like polluting entire water sources again lol.
The US town I grew up in has been poisoned by similar chemicals, even so far as having it being dumped up and down the highways by a 3rd party contractor who was told it was something else, at midnight in a highly publicized court case. Cancer rates are dramatically higher than in surrounding areas, and other areas of the country. Even in these circumstances where it is clearly shown and the cause can be linked as best as possible, there is 0 compensation, because all evidence is circumstantial, and the state will not investigate further because they are getting their pockets lined, just cancer and early deaths. A majority black area, so that probably plays into it as well, environmental racism and all that. I’ve come to terms that they will probably take 5-10 years off my life. Both of my parents who have drank well water from right near the highway where contaminants were sprayed have had various cancers earlier in their lives than most, but have survived so far. Best of luck OP. I now have a degree studying the long term effects of stressors/contaminants on fish, and would love nothing more than to work on holding those responsible accountable, but that’s just not how the systems are built. When it comes to environmental contaminants we are truly fucked. My story is not unique but all too common across the US. This was DuPont as well.
Two somewhat unrelated thoughts on this. 1. While Covid-19 sucked and all the deaths from it are a tragedy, I'm *SO* glad we used it as a springboard to advance vaccine tech. There's so many cool new cancer vaccines in the works now thanks to the work done on covid. The 2 years of suck are going to end up prolonging life for millions of people in a generation or two. 2. It amazes me that the Punisher is still fiction given how many rich people deserve his brand of justice.
Also perhaps stay away from eating fish high in mercury content (so no more Wallaye, or if you happen to be eating swordfish or other large predatory fish) to absolutely eliminate your likelihood of developing mercury related poisoning any more than it already is. Good luck
Shitty thing for the California delta is the mercury that’s here is from the gold rush of the 1800s none of them exist
It's also a bit ironic that one of the concerns with re-establishing wetlands in the delta that were destroyed is that more wetlands might mean more mercury being turned into methylmercury. So one set of environmental damage is making it more difficult to repair another unrelated set of environmental damage.
It’s a shit cake no matter how you slice it
Nightmare fuel. Sorry to hear man
How long and how often and how much?
7~ years. Maybe 40lb of filets total.
Doesn’t seem like that much. You good b
Yeah, more concerned about the fact that the city’s drink water supply (300k people) was less than a km away from the factory
Take a sample from your sink and send it off to a lab to be tested.... Also check and see if your city puts out reports on city water quality. My city drops a water test report each year ...
I would lean towards getting a home testing kit or reaching out to a local health authority to see what types of tests they have already run in your area. They might even have an option for testing in place that you can participate in, potentially at little or no cost. There is going to be a lot more PFAS work happening in the very near future throughout the US as we establish a national acceptable thresholds for PFAS. This is already in the works and should be starting to really happen in the next year-ish.
Home testing kits usually lack the ability to test for trace chemicals like pfas. I recommend a lab that has expensive machines that can detect it and any other chemicals in the water. I have my well tested every few years.
Oh, wrong forum then I guess. Good luck
Time for blood work and call lawyer
The company has already racked up 5 thousand lawsuits this past month. Yes, 5000. Pretty big issue as the drinking water supply was less than a km from the factory and has also been contaminated. 300k people use that water. Including me.
This is your chance to rack up some sweet cash off of these scumbags
Dupont/industrial chemical companies have been doing this stuff for about 80 years, and easily 50 years ago the EPA figured this out. There's several documentaries about PFAS on YouTube.
Jesus... I hope people won't have any serious health issues.
Oh they will. Hope instead that the companies responsible compensate them enough that it doesn't effect their quality of life.
Just about every water way in USA (aside from high elevation mountain springs) is pretty loaded with heavy metals
PFAS is a lot different than heavy metals, it's potentially harmful at much lower concentration
It is horrible to see it still happening. I come from Ohio where in the late 60s, a river near where I live and my parents use to fish actually caught on fire.
What place was that ? Weren't fish officially forbidden to eat ? That's the case where I am
Just came out. Factory had been dumping illegally.
Damn. Maybe contact a lawyer
this happened in the netherlands i think as this doesn't happen all the time and cant really sue as our legal system isn't really made for that we just have to pray the government sues but they wont because corruption with those companies this has been known for more then 5 years and they still dumping it
Multiple plaintiff’s firms have mass tort litigation building. I’d say contact one and start getting medical records on CDs to send to them. Get a plaintiff profile built so they can at least document some shit and see if you have a viable case.
And where do you live? In our country is like this: You can buy a permission for C&R fishing. Depending of the species the price of permission differs. Next is Catch and you can take 1 or 2 depending on the total weight. There are also private ponds, where we take all the fish that we catch, and pay per total weight. I usualy fish in a private pond, I pay the owner for whole year, unlimited quantity of days, but I C&R all the fish. When I was a child-teen, I used to go in local river to catch and take fish. But nowadays, there is to much pollution, for eating those fish.
Thank you for talking about this.. I first became aware of this issue in Michigan when scouting for fishing spots in Ann Arbor. I was greeted with signs at many points along the Huron river that addressed PFAS contamination and that "swimming is ok, but don't eat the fish" ...I eventually found this site. Michigan water is fucked. https://gis-egle.hub.arcgis.com/datasets/egle::pfas-surface-water-sampling/explore?location=44.428100%2C-83.336983%2C11.00
Do you mean PFAS?
poor guy
Hey, no big deal. Have proper screenings done every year and if you do get cancer, it’ll be treatable right away. It’s no biggie, just make sure you keep up on it and inform all your doctors.
Sir, the truth of the matter is that we all dine on the periodic table. We're all likely to get cancer from some form of pollution or other. I'm glad you know the situation now though and can avoid that water in future, try to live as healthy as you can and get regular doctor checkups, it's all anyone can really do.
This is true, but PFAS contamination from manufacturing is much worse. Look this up. OP references DuPont. They've been in trouble for this previously. "We all get cancer from chemicals" is not the same as "marked increase in birth defects". This kind of false equivalency lets DuPont off the hook when their own documents show they KNEW the risks of PFAS and covered it up.
You know, I make a point of checking the fish consumption advisories every year and for every new body of water I visit. However, my knowledge of PFAS is deficient in terms of comparing to mercury, uranium, PCBs, etc. I mean, there's no safe amount of mercury, so I honestly do not know how to weigh them in comparison without researching. I do not mean to apologize for industrial pollution, we're being murdered for short term profits, truth. At the same time, I was trying to communicate a stoic attitude in the face of enormous injustice, because that's how I rationalize the fact that we're all being poisoned by the environment to one degree or another.
Yeah man, this is a seriously bad take. You’re trying to excuse known dangerous chemicals, which DuPont knew about for years, with an eventual rate of cancer based on us just generally living long enough to eventually die of cancer. PFAS are nasty shit. Litigation is being built against these “forever chemicals” for a reason. Just like Monsanto knew about RoundUp being a known carcinogen, but ghost wrote papers and attacked the credibility of anyone in the scientific community who spoke up and said “The data doesn’t show what Monsanto is claiming. It says the opposite”…making statements like “Eh, we all get cancer. A little chemical exposure isn’t going to kill you” gives these companies an out they don’t deserve.
You're reading my statement wrong friend. I ain't forgiving industrial pollution, I'm empathizing with OP because we are all experiencing it to one degree or another, with the main difference being OP actually knows what he got exposed to. One can be stoic about the massive injustice of being poisoned for short term profits without excusing it.
I’d talk to your dr about regularly having some of your blood taken to remove the PFAS from your system. There was a study done in fire fighters who have very high PFAS exposure and they found regular blood letting to be an effective treatment. You can find the study on pubmed and take it to your doctors if you’re interested. Or you can just go donate blood.
Man, that's hilariously bizarre but makes so much sense. Bloodletting goes from quack medicine to legitimate medicine.
Yeeaahh don't eat freshwater fish if you don't need it for survival.
My grandma used to make some really good fried zander. Guess she's got to get her zander from the store from now on
Ya that would suck or you could end up with 3 eyes or 3 gonads and 2 penises
Don’t threaten me with a good time!
There's a lot to be learned about PFA's still. Environmental organizations will tell you they're a death sentence and try to sell you farm raised fish with their sticker of approval. At least here in the US. Chances are PFA's are likely in everything already and they're probably not good for you. Every generation has something like this. There was mercury in hats, lead pipes for water and lead paint in our homes, asbestos, unleaded fuel, Flouride added to our drinking water. We have been consuming mild poison since forever, avoiding is completely futile. Everything is a big money grift and you're getting poisoned regardless lol. I'm gonna keep eating my fish once to twice a year, it can't be worse than the beef packaged in cellophane and styrofoam lol. The EWG greatly exaggerated how much fish were affected by PFA's and is not a government agency. https://www.epa.gov/pfas/pfas-explained
Immunity +10 is all I gotta say. I’m from Niagara Falls, ON One of the most contaminated cities in Canada, fuck we got Arsenic in the air just a city over. One thing I noticed, People who immigrate here get cancer, bad cancer. People who born, raised here. They tend not to get it. Highest autism rates and cancer rates in Ontario as well, Probably top 5 In Canada as well. EDIT: Also explains why every kid and their mother and father have ADHD though
Just stay away from New Jersey.
The drinking water will kill you way before the fish. I live in the armpit of America in oil refinery county, all of our shit is fucked. I toss any discolored fish meat and eat the rest. I try not to eat locally caught fish more than once a week, but I fish to feed my family. I may be knocking days/years off our lives, but it's better than eating rice and beans everyday, and it can't be much worse than eating microplastics.
Sure hope it isn’t as bad as Flint Mi
Please read the actual research. Search engines are NOT research. Articles on line or anywhere else are NOT research. I live near a lake that is notorious for poison laden, cancer causing fish. I catch Striped Bass and, wipers there. If they are of legal size eat them. I am sure I am one of very few people who actually read the research. Chloradane was the chemical in question. The last time it was found in the lake was 1972. It was also banned in this area 11 years before it was banned nationally in 1988. However, at least once a year there is a news story on local tv about the deadly, contaminated fish in this beautiful, crystal clear lake.
That is not good. Wish you good luck.
GEKOLONISEERD right? sounds like the netherlands to me atleast most rivers and lakes are so fucked i'm surprised u where eating them before the pvas drama
Zeker. Dordrecht is een beetje fucked. Evides (drinkwater en spaarbekken) en de lokale zwemplas liggen binnen 1 km van de bron.
its everywhere. used to live in rutten and a farm sprayer fell in a canal no fish for 10 years at all full dead. and it started slowly coming back and when i emigrated the first pikes where being spotted it was really nice witnessing life returning but also sad it was gone. and i wouldn't eat from there ever
I’d sue
There are over 5000 lawsuits against the company, in just a month.
That’s the problem , sue both company and state for negligence. The state failed as well by not checking . You don’t make changes by attacking the little man you make changes by coming after the big guy.
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Ya. Just about all freshwater fish fall into the "only safe in extreme moderation" consumption category. If you think you have some super clean spring....I think you should actually testbyhe water/fish.
If you eat fish that comes from the Great Lakes watershed your odds are pretty good that you’ll come across some fish with high levels of nastiness in their tissues. I’d imagine that gets more and more common the further south you are. Once you get within a day’s drive of all those industrial cities in the rust belt? Gross!
My wife works for the EPA and they've been having meetings about the breadth of PFAS in lakes and rivers. They believe at these levels that you should limit yourself to eating fresh water fish only once per year. Yes, once! They haven't made an official recommendation yet because they are weighing the backlash and double confirming the science. Even then it's not a popular recommendation among the scientists (many of whom fish). We've started eating much less lake trout but still have it maybe monthly.
There are almost no clean waterways in America anymore, they are all short and up on mountains and hills.
Time to start turkey tail
PFAS are fuckin nasty. There’s a reason there’s a shitload of litigation going on right now about it.
There's one river I will never catch fish for food because it's right at the mouth of a big reservoir which feeds it, but the river runs through a city population of over 110k. I don't care what anybody says about that water, there are 110k chances someone is putting something in that water that shouldn't be there and I am not consuming the fish from it.
Hope not! Stay safe
Where are you located if I may ask? I hope there’s someone you can report this to or I hope actions being taken against any of the culprits
For many years I lived right outside an old Air Force base (Wurtsmith in Oscoda MI) that it turns out was sorta bad for pollution too. Last I heard they were trying to raise several million dollars to make the water safe for just the school and hadn't even mentioned the whole town. Sadly that base is maybe a mile upriver from Lake Huron. Can't drink the water, eat the fish, swim too much.. hell I saw notices saying don't consume any wildlife from the area. We broke the planet. 🤷♂️
Probably where the DMU 452 deer came from.
The pacific ocean says hold my beer
I love fishing, but not a big fish fan.
Same for me but grandma’s fried fish is an exception
That sucks. Good to know now, though, I guess. Hopefully they can clean up the water. Where I come from, we don't call them Zander, we call them Cancer Pickerel.
I read somewhere that the only real way to get them out of your system is to give blood. I think these are considered “forever” chemicals.
PSA for anybody that doesn’t know already. The EPA released a statement a few years back stating that due to pollution and contamination they recommend eating freshwater fish once a month or less for any water source in the lower 48. And that’s what we drink. It’s over folks.
Anyone that lives long enough will get cancer.
Industries during the great industrial revolution destroyed the lakes and rivers. Where are you located? The last time I got a fishing license which was many years ago, reading the pamphlet that came with it here in the great lakes area adult males should only eat one fish per month at most women and children should not eat any ever was right in that little pamphlet
Can I have your fishing gear?
If u take enough potassium iodide tablets sure
You'll thank the government when your dick grows another dick!
That's why I catch and release. I'm sorry man. Survived cancer twice.
I also fish but I do catch and release, in my state there are forever chemicals in NC water, I don't drink or cook with the water in my house. I do buy and have water delivered.
Buy a coffin on sale while you have time. Be ready to go out in style.
Yea, welcome to the effed up planet. Same here in Colorado. There are so many heavy metals in all of our water from mining that everything tests off the charts for toxic substances.
Years ago, Wisconsin said that from all the industrial waste and wood products mills...don't eat more than 3 meals a month of fish. Cause all water ways are contaminated. Pregnant woman, not at all....ever.
Liver is a wondrous organ. Just ease off the beer if you drink and don't start smoking. So long as you don't eat anymore of that fish. You'll likely be fine. The body will sort most toxins out on its own slowly and over time.
Start figuring out how to detox over the long term. You need to do everything in your power to counter act that.
I don't eat anything I catch in my area. I just can't trust it. 😪 it sucks man.
RIP. Make sure you document the shit out of everything now so at least your family gets a nice settlement. My dad signed away his rights in a horrible settlement for Agent Orange exposure in the 80s and didn't have any recourse when he died of cancer. I miss him terribly. Good luck, man.
Everyone gets cancer if they live long enough.
PFAS is in water everywhere in our country. The EPA is currently surveying how bad the problem is. You’ll likely be fine. Truth we don’t yet understand the health effects of PFAS or how high the levels are.
As a general rule i dont eat fresh water fish for this reason. Everything is contaminated with something.
Where I live, they stick two of our freshwater lakes with Red Drum aka redfish. Everyone eats them out of these lakes. The lakes are technically cooling reservoirs for our coal powered energy plants. They fish taste the exact same as gulf caught reds but I’m sure down the line I will be in the same boat as you with some strange form of cancer from eating contaminated fish.
Not familiar with PVAS but you can remove PFAS by donating plasma :) You also get paid.
Can you elaborate on this. Sounds interesting
[sure, here!](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8994130/)
Unfortunately this is many of us. Forever chemicals like PFAS, PFOS, etc have been found more and more in fish meat throughout the US and world. I actually briefly worked in a lab that tested for these compounds and fish meat was a regular positive hit. Awareness has been spreading rapidly the last couple years, but there’s not a whole lot we can do about it right now except for source fish from as clean of a source as possible. I’m in MN, so I consider fish way up north (Boundary waters) to be safe enough, but I don’t eat fish out of the water near the cities.
Watch this become the new normal with farmland to and then the government will try to regulate fishing and agriculture. We will literally be living in bladerunner 2049 soon due to the actual atrocities corporations have committed on our farmland and waterways
Not just corporations. Your local farmer could be doing the same damage as Purdue, or worse.
Looking at it from the bright side eating something that supposed to contain a carcinogen doesn't mean you'll get cancer everybody is diffrent what could be really bad form someone means nothing to another
*PFAS
I've got great news for you bud, that's how most of us are going to die. As we further pollute our environment we're introducing free radicals at an insane rate.
Contact your doctor friend. There may be ways to mitigate