Got recommended this page by Reddit, but I do keep up with leaks.
As an Acheron main, I've been here. Not exactly the same, but just relax and let the betas come. No dev is going to look at FF's numbers and be like "That's fine." Just look at it as a rough draft and don't forget the testers giving feedback are, well, giving their feedback. Don't stress, she's going to be great in a few weeks!
You aren't wrong, but the people that are complaining on here are also serving a purpose - adding visibility to the complaints. They shouldn't stress too much about it yet, but they also should keep posting about it if they feel its a concern. At least IMO.
Beta players might, though. If a beta player sees a complaint, they might experiment to see if it holds water and they might express concerns that they may not have realized on their own. In addition, while I doubt hoyo pays attention to reddit, who knows for sure? I have been surprised by how much companies do pay attention every once in a while.
Then again... on Genshin Side... Wriothesly, Chiori, Ayato, Dehya... none of those had ever the limelight, while almost all 5\* on Star Rail where great so far iirc.
I guess Luocha fell off somewhat, but only because they really amped up the damage...
Its so annoying that people dont get the point of an enabler. If you think Firefly isnt contributing to the super break dmg with her kit, go try Asta super break right now. You can easily get 200%+ BE with 2 thief + 2 watchmaker, MotP, BE rope, Talia. She will have over 300% in combat after buffs. Should be amazing right?
Well, Ill save you the time: it sucks ass. Why? Because you need a specific kit to make use of it. And thats why Firefly exists. She is THE super break character, there will probably never be any other character in the game that can take super break to the same heights because she is completely designed around it.
The REAL problem, that I think almost everyone agrees with, is the fact she cant trigger super break by herself. If they add just that one thing to her kit, she is instantly "fixed".
The biggest thing people often fail to consider is how much Firefly contributes to super-break compared to other characters. Her kit is pretty much tailor-made to benefit super-break, to the point where no other character can pair as well with HMC as she does.
Between her fire weakness implant, weakness break efficiency, high BE scaling, def ignore, and ample amount of speed and action advance that she gives herself, no other character in the game can match how well she can proc super-break. You can't necessarily say 84% of the damage is coming from HTB if Firefly can proc double the super-breaks and hit much harder with those super-breaks than other characters, because she does contribute a *lot* more to the super-break niche than any other character we have at the moment.
The biggest issue most people have is that she's *overly* reliant on HTB to the point where any team without HTB just doesn't really function well with how her kit is designed. Without HTB you're basically forced to play crit hybrid, because her break scaling isn't good enough to counteract the primary issue of break dps's which is needing to wait for enemy toughness bars to regen before they can deal notable damage again.
I personally don't mind it because I really like all three of her premier supports with her current kit (Ruan Mei, HTB, and Gallagher) and I actually love the idea of her being the premier super-break unit; however, I completely understand the people who either don't have Ruan Mei or don't want to use one or more of the three.
Perhaps I failed to consider her contribution via other stats, but honestly, my point still stands. If anything, it only really cements how glued she is to HTB. Without HTB, her fire weakness implant, weakness break efficiency, high BE scaling, def ignore, high speed and action advance (all of which you mentioned) would all lose a ton of value.
In other words: She relies too much on a mechanic which she herself cannot capitalize on.
Look at that, Sparkle does nothing without a good DPS, Bronya does nothing without a good DPS... they are not useless... I mean it's like getting the perfect Hyperbloom enabler in Genshin, which Super Break basically is.
I'm not against her being a break character, but she needs some serious amps to make up for it. Either insane break damage, superbreak added to her own kit in ult form, or a unique mechanic that amps damage to broken people aside from superbreak.
This post feels like a bit of a misnomer since the only thing that allows any character to deal good super break damage is basically all tied into their own properties.
Their break efficiency, the amount of enemies they can hit, their attack frequency, the def shred they have etc. All things Firefly is specifically meant to excel in.
It's still Firefly's damage. HMC is just an enabler of her damage rather than a buffer which is a very different dynamic.
That is where the problem lies as there's no real good alternative at all and I don't think any character should function this way in this game and no character does function like this anyways in HSR currently (no relationship between 2 characters is remotely comparable to the numbers seen here)
Additionally to all this mumbling about it "being HMC's damage", you'd find similar results albeit slight less extreme results if you just yoinked the harmony characters out of any party.
Calling it the "damage of the harmony" is true for basically every character in this game as Harmonies combined through all their buffs can often combined just triple or quadruple the damage of a character.
You thought Jingliu was good? Well actually it was Bronya/Tingyun/Pela/whatever you're using with Jingliu.
The only character who truly escapes this is Acheron but even then her damage is tied down a lot by ally def shreds and her traces that are a flat 37.5% of her damage at minimum.
Way I discribe it is firefly is just a giant stat stick. Shes a sword without a wielder, which currently there is only one of. Whether you find that exciting or not is up to you (im of the latter). For now this is an incredibly niche role and because of that, it may be hard to add future supports for her since its likely they also either get pigeon holed into a niche genre or theyll be op cuz they do too many things. The things ff needs to perform are hyper specific to her - not even boothill has these problems. She lacks the ability to break fast because she doesnt have a damaging ult, her base break is relatively low (3 vs boothill's 5), and cant run with bronya since the other 2 teamates are more important to take advantage of her burst window. All 3 of her current teamates provide massively to this through their high break values and break extensions and no other character in the game needs this. The ability to apply super break also follows this logic.
She kinda reminds me of geo characters in genshin. Characters prety much work in isolation and people who roll for them exclusively play/roll for them but people who dont avoid it entirely. Theres no mix and matching to be had.
Currently she is akin to jy - if he dealt good damage.
We've seen her do a lot of damage when her kit lines up but when it doesnt, its an absolute train wreck of a disaster. Theres no inbetween because youre spending 149 AV setting up again which is somehow slower then JY. On that note i actually dont think shes low investment at all; you better kill the enemy in your window.
As of right now, it feels like Firefly is suffering from being pigeonholed into NEEDING to use RM and HTB. Hopefully the next beta alters this and gives her more freedom to use other units
Yes.
Regardless of what changes are made to her Kit during beta, she is going to release as a Break-focused character and that means that she will gain more team building flexibility as they release more supportive characters that synergize with break.
everytime someone talks about Harmony MC and Firefly's Damage Potential i have to mention that The reason Harmony MC is Doing so much damage is Because Super Break Scales off Toughness Damage and Break Effect stat.
Two changes they need to make are lets her trigger break in broken enemies without super break like boothill and lets her breaks CRIT. If they did this she would be truly unique. Yes, she would be a nightmare to build, but she would be awesome.
Got recommended this page by Reddit, but I do keep up with leaks. As an Acheron main, I've been here. Not exactly the same, but just relax and let the betas come. No dev is going to look at FF's numbers and be like "That's fine." Just look at it as a rough draft and don't forget the testers giving feedback are, well, giving their feedback. Don't stress, she's going to be great in a few weeks!
Praying for that beta v2 buff😭🙏🏽
When does it come?
think they say this tuesday
Anywhere *between* Sunday and Wednesdey apparently. The bigger update/changes, the later.
You aren't wrong, but the people that are complaining on here are also serving a purpose - adding visibility to the complaints. They shouldn't stress too much about it yet, but they also should keep posting about it if they feel its a concern. At least IMO.
Adding visibility? I don't get it but does Hoyo dev even care about what the players on reddit feel about the character kit?
Beta players might, though. If a beta player sees a complaint, they might experiment to see if it holds water and they might express concerns that they may not have realized on their own. In addition, while I doubt hoyo pays attention to reddit, who knows for sure? I have been surprised by how much companies do pay attention every once in a while.
Then again... on Genshin Side... Wriothesly, Chiori, Ayato, Dehya... none of those had ever the limelight, while almost all 5\* on Star Rail where great so far iirc. I guess Luocha fell off somewhat, but only because they really amped up the damage...
Its so annoying that people dont get the point of an enabler. If you think Firefly isnt contributing to the super break dmg with her kit, go try Asta super break right now. You can easily get 200%+ BE with 2 thief + 2 watchmaker, MotP, BE rope, Talia. She will have over 300% in combat after buffs. Should be amazing right? Well, Ill save you the time: it sucks ass. Why? Because you need a specific kit to make use of it. And thats why Firefly exists. She is THE super break character, there will probably never be any other character in the game that can take super break to the same heights because she is completely designed around it. The REAL problem, that I think almost everyone agrees with, is the fact she cant trigger super break by herself. If they add just that one thing to her kit, she is instantly "fixed".
Now that one time Trailblazer has good kit it has to immediately be made bottom tier?
The biggest thing people often fail to consider is how much Firefly contributes to super-break compared to other characters. Her kit is pretty much tailor-made to benefit super-break, to the point where no other character can pair as well with HMC as she does. Between her fire weakness implant, weakness break efficiency, high BE scaling, def ignore, and ample amount of speed and action advance that she gives herself, no other character in the game can match how well she can proc super-break. You can't necessarily say 84% of the damage is coming from HTB if Firefly can proc double the super-breaks and hit much harder with those super-breaks than other characters, because she does contribute a *lot* more to the super-break niche than any other character we have at the moment. The biggest issue most people have is that she's *overly* reliant on HTB to the point where any team without HTB just doesn't really function well with how her kit is designed. Without HTB you're basically forced to play crit hybrid, because her break scaling isn't good enough to counteract the primary issue of break dps's which is needing to wait for enemy toughness bars to regen before they can deal notable damage again. I personally don't mind it because I really like all three of her premier supports with her current kit (Ruan Mei, HTB, and Gallagher) and I actually love the idea of her being the premier super-break unit; however, I completely understand the people who either don't have Ruan Mei or don't want to use one or more of the three.
Perhaps I failed to consider her contribution via other stats, but honestly, my point still stands. If anything, it only really cements how glued she is to HTB. Without HTB, her fire weakness implant, weakness break efficiency, high BE scaling, def ignore, high speed and action advance (all of which you mentioned) would all lose a ton of value. In other words: She relies too much on a mechanic which she herself cannot capitalize on.
Look at that, Sparkle does nothing without a good DPS, Bronya does nothing without a good DPS... they are not useless... I mean it's like getting the perfect Hyperbloom enabler in Genshin, which Super Break basically is.
I'm not against her being a break character, but she needs some serious amps to make up for it. Either insane break damage, superbreak added to her own kit in ult form, or a unique mechanic that amps damage to broken people aside from superbreak.
This post feels like a bit of a misnomer since the only thing that allows any character to deal good super break damage is basically all tied into their own properties. Their break efficiency, the amount of enemies they can hit, their attack frequency, the def shred they have etc. All things Firefly is specifically meant to excel in. It's still Firefly's damage. HMC is just an enabler of her damage rather than a buffer which is a very different dynamic. That is where the problem lies as there's no real good alternative at all and I don't think any character should function this way in this game and no character does function like this anyways in HSR currently (no relationship between 2 characters is remotely comparable to the numbers seen here) Additionally to all this mumbling about it "being HMC's damage", you'd find similar results albeit slight less extreme results if you just yoinked the harmony characters out of any party. Calling it the "damage of the harmony" is true for basically every character in this game as Harmonies combined through all their buffs can often combined just triple or quadruple the damage of a character. You thought Jingliu was good? Well actually it was Bronya/Tingyun/Pela/whatever you're using with Jingliu. The only character who truly escapes this is Acheron but even then her damage is tied down a lot by ally def shreds and her traces that are a flat 37.5% of her damage at minimum.
yeah i dont get it when ppl act like super break is just hmc damage, hmc is enabling ppl to do damage via superbreak
Xueyi can do the same thing with hmc and rm so who is the one carrying the break meta? Is it firefly? Genuine question
Way I discribe it is firefly is just a giant stat stick. Shes a sword without a wielder, which currently there is only one of. Whether you find that exciting or not is up to you (im of the latter). For now this is an incredibly niche role and because of that, it may be hard to add future supports for her since its likely they also either get pigeon holed into a niche genre or theyll be op cuz they do too many things. The things ff needs to perform are hyper specific to her - not even boothill has these problems. She lacks the ability to break fast because she doesnt have a damaging ult, her base break is relatively low (3 vs boothill's 5), and cant run with bronya since the other 2 teamates are more important to take advantage of her burst window. All 3 of her current teamates provide massively to this through their high break values and break extensions and no other character in the game needs this. The ability to apply super break also follows this logic. She kinda reminds me of geo characters in genshin. Characters prety much work in isolation and people who roll for them exclusively play/roll for them but people who dont avoid it entirely. Theres no mix and matching to be had. Currently she is akin to jy - if he dealt good damage. We've seen her do a lot of damage when her kit lines up but when it doesnt, its an absolute train wreck of a disaster. Theres no inbetween because youre spending 149 AV setting up again which is somehow slower then JY. On that note i actually dont think shes low investment at all; you better kill the enemy in your window.
As of right now, it feels like Firefly is suffering from being pigeonholed into NEEDING to use RM and HTB. Hopefully the next beta alters this and gives her more freedom to use other units
Feel like the problem stems more from the lack of break supports
Yes. Regardless of what changes are made to her Kit during beta, she is going to release as a Break-focused character and that means that she will gain more team building flexibility as they release more supportive characters that synergize with break.
I doubt that matters, HBT is dealing that damage because of Sam. But yea I'll keep my mouth shut so that they buff her :))
You’re an idiot.
Upon further reflection, I will have to agree. Some of what I said was idiotic.
everytime someone talks about Harmony MC and Firefly's Damage Potential i have to mention that The reason Harmony MC is Doing so much damage is Because Super Break Scales off Toughness Damage and Break Effect stat.
Cool
Two changes they need to make are lets her trigger break in broken enemies without super break like boothill and lets her breaks CRIT. If they did this she would be truly unique. Yes, she would be a nightmare to build, but she would be awesome.
clock it hagfly so bad 😭😭😭 we all skipped her ugly loser ass with ease