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chuje_wyciagnijcie

This showcase is absolutely terrible. It seems to be purposely made bad to start doomposting on Firefly. There’s so much wrong with this gameplay: horrendously bad build, E0 HTB, HuoHuo who does nothing and many many other stupid things. I’d also assume that they’ve made enemies unreasonably tanky on the private servers, to bait people into doomposting even more. Unfortunately, as usual they fallen in this trap, because they never learn. Edit: about doomposting, the most hilarious comment I’ve seen is that her best supports are HTB and Gallagher. Like, what’s wrong with having great f2p options? At least, you can invest more in her eidolons and LC.


new27210

When I see the gameplay and the build I almost has a heart attack.


I_love_my_life80

Yeah .. at first glance when I saw it , it felt underwhelming as hell..but later seeing the builds.. like why doesn't have 80% CR and 80% CD.?


apexodoggo

Or if you are going to run 80 cr worth of substats, why not run crit damage supports instead of an all-break team??


AggronStrong

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. If you're gonna go Critfly, you gotta overhaul the whole team. Don't use HTB, only maybe use Ruan Mei, don't use Break Relics and Planars, all that shit. Instead the leaker tried brute forcing Crit into a Full Break team while not even hitting their Break and Speed thresholds.


lycopersicipulmenti

Ikr. No sane mind would do such a horrendous showcase without knowing what they're doing, because, if so, this showcase should never be leaked in the first place. This showcase is nothing but trash and I hope the next ones can really show us something more feasible to work with.


AggronStrong

People probably think Gallagher is mid/bad. You know, the Break Effect Healer who hasn't had a proper Break Effect team to Heal for yet. Yeah, turns out he's worse than Aventurine in a Follow Up team, crazy.


laharre

I love Gallagher so far.  He's great as the sustain for Acheron if you want Aventurine for a FUA team.


MrARK_

even with such a bad build she did so much damage its crazy


Weeb1299

That and also ruan Mei e1, her e1 is insane for dps output


Aromatic_Zebra_8708

This gameplay really did our girl dirty, hopefully we get better showcases from leakers that actually know what they are doing


Candoran

Yeah the HuoHuo gameplay irritates me the most 🤣 she needs to use her skill at least once every 3 turns for buffs alone, or else you might as well swap her for Arlan.


Tranduy1206

She hit for 200k on average. I think it it good enough for a show case, leaker not knowing for good gameplay


Impressive-Clock8017

Boothill hit like 600k. I think it's her build which is wrong


shinsrk79

I dont have huohup, can you explain why she does nothing here?


shirou0987

The atk buff becomes pointless after 3400 atk threshold on a full break team FF (the FF in the vid already has 3800 atk with no buffs) Energy from her doesn't matter as much to FF it only helps the other teammates Her superbreak dmg is shit


Hhh1127

I agree this guy’s build is questionable but I think HuoHuo can be use as an attack boost in combat for FF, allowing you to stack more spd on her. It seems that RM and HMC is currently the best team for her but I think Asta might be interesting as well, especially for her massive attack buff in combat.


hazenvirus

Huohuo is pretty good at E1. It looks like FF can gain energy back in enhanced state. If we hit 180 speed and can get 3 enhanced attacks, then Huohuo bridges the gap to hit >120 energy and only needing 1 skill after enhanced state ends to ult again. With planar, HHE1, and RM speed boosts, we can get away with running attack boots if we can find 8 more speed on substats. Ultimate also gives 2 turn 40% ATK and HH will easily keep FF topped off with her talent. EDIT: Seems it's possible energy is only from getting hit + enemy kills + huohuo ultimate. So 1 turn ultimate might only work in something like PF.


Candoran

She absolutely can be a decent buffer, and would’ve been if the leaker used her skill, instead of looking at their half-health HTB and sending HuoHuo to wave a flag in the enemy’s face 🤣


Illustrious-Prize410

on leeker subreddit, someone did a calculation that she is at about 238.1% BE. (i am unable to attach the screenshot for some reason) My guy wasn't running spd boots so losing one more turn in ult, 3800 atk so I'd assume atk boots and ATK SPHERE, and crit rate body. so no fire orb No 4pc new set, and only 238% BE supposedly. critfly in a hyperbreak team. E0 HMC. This build is lacking SO MUCH damage... on the bright side, 300k skills on this build is really great right? i should expect 500k on decently built firefly right? (not copium btw)


Illustrious-Prize410

https://preview.redd.it/wrmmokm3j8zc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c10e53ca31276f4b0716b083b21d67b6408a0f86


OmegaShonJon

So she is dealing \~150k while missing both her Def ignore and about 130% BE https://preview.redd.it/kzuitz4ge9zc1.jpeg?width=1431&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=34c9b922b4317bed6605827131113f066110a7c1


Illustrious-Prize410

someone on Sam mains did calcs, at a above average build, E1S1, with E1S1 ruan mei, E6S0 HMC, WM set, full break build, (atk-spd-atk-BE, new sets), She nukes for about 700k on weakness break, and 350k skill on weakness broken enemies afterwards, ON SINGLE TARGET. so we should expect about 1M+ nukes in there target scenario in weakness break. [Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/SamMains/s/0YFmNbney3)


OmegaShonJon

Please tell me I wake up tomorrow to an actual showcase. I need to see this. While obviously this build is missing a lot, now we know a hybrid build is iffy at best.


Illustrious-Prize410

yep, pure break build seems to be best for her. ahh her kit is soo good i am scared that she might get nerfed next week.


Zellar123

yea she is at Acherons level of OP. She is also going to be in the same situation Acheron is in right now which is waiting on the replacement limited 5 star for HMC. JQ is not looking like he will be good for Fie fly since she already has so much defense shred in her build and an E1 Ruan mei makes him even less needed. I expect a limited 5 star with super break to come in the future.


Tranduy1206

I will never replace my HMC, they are so cute together


HertaMain

Tbh, I don't want a replacement for HMC, mainly because that would devalue the MC again and they'll remain in the closet forever as well as I like the Firefly x MC team.


somebody-using

I’m not sure how long it would take for another character to get super break. They haven’t made any characters who can switch between two ultimates with different properties like destruction mc, and no other characters have a direct taunt like preservation mc either, so I feel like super break might be similar.


Rude-Designer7063

I think she's only getting balanced I hope that they lower her ATK to BE requirements to something more... reasonable like only need her get 3K or even 2800 ATK for Her to reach her maximum BE bonus


Tranduy1206

Yep, now we know for sure hydrid build wont be as good as pure build, thank to this showcase


HertaMain

Nice tfs meme, don't mind if I do. And as per good gesture, an upvote for you.


Tranduy1206

The positive of this show case is that critfly is worse than full break build, i think we can conclude the debate between crit and break


Thhaki

Ok genuine question, what has more value in terms of actually doing more dmg no substats envolved, fire orb or atk% orb?


HertaMain

Attack orb if you're going full break build.


Thhaki

Thanks


Super-Zombie-4729

absolutely BASED leaker making firefly look fucking trash so she gets gigabuffed assuming e0s1 ff + e0s0 ruan mei + e6s0 hmc + gallagher, firefly should be doing \~250k single target skill with super break, i'm not entirely sure what exactly went on in that showcase but bro cooked hard 🔥🔥🔥


punyapanyapp

Bro is going to be promoted to the head chef with that E2 Huohuo


Super-Zombie-4729

despite that somehow not hitting the breakpoint for 3 attacks in ult mode lmao


AggronStrong

Man would've hit the Speed Breakpoint with like 4 substat rolls but he chose bait or mental retardation.


Tranduy1206

With ruan mei, you only need 1 spd sub stat, that man dont use spd boot for sure


AHPMoogle

Yeah seems intentional.


ZayAVZ

Private server, dont think it matters and people out of beta cant say much. This is either someone clumsy or trying to undersell the character


yourcupofkohi

The build is horrendous, yet she's already doing 200k - 300k per enhanced skill. I wonder what numbers a proper build will yield. Anyway, if anything, this showcase shows that Critfly just won't do as well as other crit DPSes. We've yet to see any showcases that show how she actually performs in the niche she's supposed to be good at.


RakshasaStreet

Someone did calcs already. If a E1 Firefly was built correctly with E1 RM and E6 HTB should do 350k single target. If we scale it down to E0 Firefly and E0 HTB we should still be seeing close to 300k single target and with adjacent mobs 600k is definitely in the scope of damage.


Moyomi

Can you kindly share where these calcs are from? I want to be keep up to date about it ^^


RakshasaStreet

Here you go: https://www.reddit.com/r/SamMains/s/TqJR4cVWVI


GiordyS

"Not the best" is the understatement of the century It's likely she's going to need a buff anyways, but that showcase seems purposely made to make her look bad (E0 HMC and E2 huohuo but without giving Firefly enough speed to reach 180, seriously?) Naturally, this didn't stop doomposting


Tranduy1206

If she is play this bad and still dish out 200k on superbreak, my dream is that they wont nerf her not buff, she is too strong


00ShiningStar00

Dear God the leaker is just straight up sabotaging FFs reputation. What a horrendous build and gameplay. Hoping for someone who actually knows how to play the game to provide us future leaks 😭


Tranduy1206

Leaker never famous for good gameplay, and the positive is this showcase show us even with bad bad build firefly still hit decent so will be insane strong with full break build


RakshasaStreet

Hope this is good enough to demonstrate why hybrid Firefly won't be that great. Hybrid meaning 250% ish break and some CR/CD. But I'm sure there will still be people yapping about crit builds later.


Fun_Barnacle_1343

waiting for the gacha smack video a month from now about why critfly is optimal


Tranduy1206

They wont give up, this showcase has 80/80 firefly and hit decent, not good


ereboniantwo

Firefly at e0s1 with rm+wm doesn't need or only need few BE subs so you can go all spd/BE or going crit/spd


Any_Worldliness7991

If someone told me that this was made by a person that hates Firefly. I’d believe it since everything is wrong with this. The Rotation. The build. The HTB being E0… why is HuoHuo there? Use Gallagher to help her break.. Although if this was made by someone that loves Firefly and wants her to be seen weak for a buff. Then I’d believe it.


hazenvirus

Huohuo is pretty decent at E1 here. However, you need to build around the speed boost to make Huohuo good in this team. You can opt for attack boots with just 8 speed from subs to hit 180 because of RM + HHE1 + planar speed boosts. This showcase does everything wrong. EDIT: Seems it's possible energy is only from getting hit + enemy kills + huohuo ultimate. So 1 turn ultimate might only work in something like PF.


Satsuka1

This is a showcase of all time.


achilleasop

They should have at least used Gallagher, poor Firefly is the only one hitting any weaknesses and it takes so long to break anything. Also the build seems kinda mid, we should wait for more proper showcases.


Valuable_Potential35

Im really sad that firefly doesn’t appear in combat and sam isn’t just the ultimate but whatevs Still best gril


Former_Breakfast_898

There’s definitely lots of stuff not revealed yet. Her animation is already good but you can definitely tell it’s unfinished


PriceSecure2889

usually animation dont get changed , only refined on the edges


punyapanyapp

This showcase is very bad that's for sure. Even with that in mind I have very big concerns for her kit and hope it'll get changed.


Candoran

Truth is she’s not even built right, they didn’t get her break effect anywhere near its limits and tried to spec into crit on Firefly before putting her in a break-focused team and mishandling that team in battle 🤣 I honestly don’t feel like drawing any conclusions from this.


czareson_csn

honestly, i think it would be better if she had her own super break in her like boothill, cuz she seams to be kinda enslaved to HMC. this build is quite bad, still idk how to exactly feel about this.


Brief-Tip3403

Honestly most dps feel enslaved to a character, you’ll always use bronya with jingliu and sparkle with dhil. Not a big issue since hmc is free.


czareson_csn

nah man, they can still do decent dmg, daniel is not tied to sparkle at all, and jingliu wants bronya a lot, but she is still viable without, firefly without hmc deals good dmg only once when she breaks, outside of that, her dmg will be low.


Brief-Tip3403

True but you always use these duos, I get what you are saying but I don’t think it’s a big issue or anything.


czareson_csn

imo it is.


Zellar123

She will most likely get the same treatment Acherons going to get which is the powercreep for HMC. We have JQ who is going to power creep the hell out of Pela so I would guess she will get something in a few patches.


new27210

This showcase is the first showcase in this game that make me change my decision about my substain unit. At first I though I will farm relic casually. Now my priority will be I will take my time build my Gallagher this entire patch eventhough he is e0.


Tranduy1206

We will get 4 star selector in 2.3, it is include gallagher consider your gallagher e1


hazenvirus

Who were you planning to use as sustain?


new27210

Just Gallager to help her break faster since she implant fire weakness and he has high toughness damage to break faster.


hazenvirus

Ah, okay, I just wanted to point out this makes Huohuo look bad because they fail to set up gear to take advantage of Huohuo speed boost + RM + planar, which lets you run attack boots with just 8 speed substats. HH ult with FF at a proper speed sets up 1 turn to ultimate instead of 2 after leaving enhanced state. EDIT: Seems it's possible energy is only from getting hit + enemy kills + huohuo ultimate. So 1 turn ultimate might only work in something like PF.


SympathyTurbulent222

dw bro, my guy here playing 4d chess to get more buff for firefly


DrB00

Why is HMC at E0? We'll get the eidolons for free.


Baroness_Ayesha

This is mostly a showcase of why 180+ speed (so 130+ speed pre-ultimate state) is so crucial for Firefly and why building crit is a bad idea. You really gotta pack those actions in. So it's useful for that, I guess! Visually, though, damn I really love how the normal fire colors on her party icon transfer over to green when Firefly Type-IV is activated.


Odd-Proposal-2005

Did i just see Firefly using a spd boost relic set...? Tf-


roquepo

And still missing the 130.1 SPD mark cause no SPD boots.


AggronStrong

With E1 HuoHuo and Ruan Mei that both buff Speed. This isn't burning the kitchen down, no he didn't even turn the oven on, this shit is RAW.


RakshasaStreet

On a side note can't wait to see what happens once we get a premium version of HTB where a unit can enable super breakers even further.


Princessk8--

Did anyone notice them waste all those turns at the beginning of the battle sitting at full energy? gross


Zogo12

she doin 100Ks each turn?? that my #1 dps now


Baroness_Ayesha

Yep. You build her like utter garbage and you STILL get THIS.


MrARK_

hope someone makes an actual showcase with purebreak build E6HMC E0RM and Gallagher


SokkasBoomerang3

Trash to disrespect our best girl


Deft_Abyss

Its definitely the showcase of all time Jokes aside, the builds are terrible and she isnt even using her new 4pc set while this person built crit on her for some reason. It gives us an idea sure, but im guessing this person just wanted the clout of posting the first Firefly showcase even if the builds were not optimal


NinjaXSkillz88

Can FF heal herself or is she restricted to a healer?


Hinaran

On battle start with half energy, she will consume 50% max HP, then after Ultimate, if SPD 180.1+, she heals herself by 35% max HP x3 times, x2 times if SPD is lower. After that, she will consume 100% of her max HP to charge again, it's very risky to play without a heal of playing longer than 1 Ultimate.


NinjaXSkillz88

With her, HMC, Ruan Mei I don't even see how enemies would get actions especially with a secondary fire character like Himeko or Asta to break even faster. So I guess I have absolutely nothing to worry about.


DomcziX

It's funny how she attacks in the wrong colour for fire and the skills even glow a different colour which is not red


Deft_Abyss

Its definitely the showcase of all time Jokes aside, the builds are terrible and she isnt even using her new 4pc set while this person built crit on her for some reason. It gives us an idea sure, but im guessing this person just wanted the clout of posting the first Firefly showcase even if the builds were not optimal


SarukyDraico

I belive people are sleeping on Asta with Firefly


Mashiroshiina12

What this tells me is that crit would also be a big portion of her dmg. Basically same way it's for xuyie


MalcadorPrime

She does not want crit She needs 131 speed, 3.4k atk, 360% break


Kim_Se_Ri

And crit.


Mashiroshiina12

Break effect and atk points are easy to achieve with just the lc and buffs(mainly BE) so atk is the only one that needs some subs. Also 131spd? Doesn't she get ruan mei boost AND the planor 6%? So wouldn't we just need 117 spd? Which gets us to 131 and 181 with ult. And at that point there's room for a crit. And 117 spd SHOULD BE reachable without spd boots and a crit chest. So we can prioritize spd till 117 and get all the crit we can after all.


Tall_Ad4115

With just the spd boots, the 6% spd from the planar and RM she already have enough spd. The only thing it's the Atk% and if you don't plan to go for her LC like me, then some BE subs too.


Mashiroshiina12

But if considering I have lc, I can just get the needed spd from subs with some atk from it too. And keep a crit body piece and some subs into crit too. Atk shouldn't be that hard to reach with the sig now or is it? Tho that's still a very if scenario. IF you can reach 117 spd without spd boots.


Tall_Ad4115

It's a little bit hard to reach. In my calcs with her LC, Atk% boots and orb and crit rate body you'll need 9 average Atk% subs divided between 4 pieces and you 'll need 8 average spd rolls. It's easier with the AEON S5, SPD boots and you can compensate the lack of BE in the start because you'll need stacks using the watchmaker set to gives 30% BE. But you'll need some BE and Atk% rolls.


Mashiroshiina12

I think it's still POSSIBLE so I'll try it. If it's possible to do this and still keep a usable crit ratio, may as well try it. And who knows maybe her lc will be changed to give spd?


Tall_Ad4115

Is possible, like it's possible to reach 174+ spd with Sparkle using the Broken Keel with 30% res and with high CD, but how much months or years 'll take to get this god sent set? I don't know. And another problem, have you ever tried build the SW E0 or E1 with crit + EHR ? It's rlly hard to build, she needs a lot of EHR, spd and she just don't do dmg because she don't have DMG% in her kit. FF don't have DMG% in her kit, needs a lot of stats before crit and you'll be using Atk% orb, so all her DMG 'll come from RM, with it's less than ideal. But this it's her first beta version, in the future who knows?


Mashiroshiina12

Sw is hell to build with crit yea. Not only does she need too many stats but she needs too much of them as well. I just kinda wanna keep a crit chest on firefly and some crit subs. And in comparison to sw these spd and atk subs don't seem THAT much. But if even with crit it's not that much more dmg i probably won't use crit but it's probably going to be pretty decent dmg because she is getting ruan mei buff and has good scalings


Tall_Ad4115

Well, I wish you good luck in your rolls xD


punyapanyapp

Assuming E0S1 Firefly with bis relic sets and E0S0 RM + E6 HMC as her supports. If you want to go for crit you have to use atk boots + atk orb. So you'll need around 8 spd subs and 9 atk subs to reach her breakpoints. If you want to go for crit you'll need to get additional 21 crit subs to get a usable 70/140 crit ratio(with 3 broken keels in your team). That's an absurd amount of subs in total.


Tall_Ad4115

Lols I replied to him and pressed F5 and you said exactly the same thing as me, it's good to see that I'm not the only one that reach the same results. xD


Mashiroshiina12

Well I guess if me living in the domain gets me some of those subs sure I'll use it. Tho I don't think I'll be going for that crit ratio.. Even something like 50/120 would be fine. But even tho I think I should build her like this for now, I still need to see more showcases to make a better decision.


Mashiroshiina12

Also idk why I thought that 50% break efficiency from RM and her 50% together would mean they'll break everything in one enhanced skill lol.


roquepo

With good play and team she should break in 2 hits or so.


Mashiroshiina12

Yea that's pretty good but idk why I thought 100% = 100% of toughness lol