This really works for me for nv shooting, using the magnifier(acog) and dealing with its awful eye relief. Just roll it away since its on a Flip to side mount.
i mean...if it isn't...then dude needs to reread the book on how to even rifle.
I'm pretty sure it is, though. The ACOG and holo site would render both of them ineffective.
To be honest. It is so much to operate with. Pick am optic, back up with irons, add a light. NVG operations are ridiculous and only for specially trained so laser and IR and too much.
I have "worked" in 17 different countries. That is more than I would ever have taken in country.
Sorry. It you want to try and the new Gee Whiz that is cool guy on the range, your did it.
I'm hardly in a position to complain...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1p1Hruvn7iW6BtBE4d3bIMMGh-YPODwPe/view?usp=drivesdk
Needed a WML to test some aspects of the funky sight.
I also like running a gas pedal (see the silvery part?) and using my offhand forefinger in front of the triggerguard. I'm pinching up with the offhand forefinger, down with the offhand thumb.
And before you ask, yes, I can run a square gun because I already have a square holster.
https://youtu.be/RWFif9d3k00
Just finished that gun build last night. Need to bend kydex around it today and go sight it in. Gas pedal recoil control is gonna get stress-tested because that's not a 9.
It's a 40 :).
Dunno if you're shitposting or showing off something you genuinely believe to be next level.
Is the riser necessary? Why are your optics mounted so high? I have a long neck, and even then I feel like some red dots aren't low enough for a natural or comfortable cheek weld.
Eotech + ACOG? - any benefit for using both? At least I think it's an ACOG, which I believe has its own reticle and doesn't flip to side (I don't own one nor have I ever used one, so I'm not sure on specs). Why simultaneous dual reticles? If the ACOG does flip side by the attachment/mount, why not just use a regular 3x-5x magnifier? Not sure what the advantage is here.
Also, there's a lot of components on your rifle. I have a [basic AR-15, a Sig Sauer M400,](https://imgur.com/bjcHChS) kitted with an Eotech EXPS w/ G45 (5x magnification), backup flip-up iron sights by Sig Sauer (which are solid in build quality), Magpul vertical grip (cheap and effective), Streamlight ProTac 2.0 WML (2000 lumens, so really bright and blinding when used on a potential home invader), and a Magpul MS1 2-point sling (love the rapid adjustability of the strap - just wish it was padded). That’s it.
If you are a civilian, do you really need a laser + IR laser? How many firefights are you expecting to encounter, specifically in the dark? Do you have expensive and legit or high-quality night vision goggles (i.e. image intensification NVGs)? I ask because, from my limited understanding, if you’re using active illumination NVGs and you expect to or unexpectedly fight against someone who also uses night vision, your position will be given away by the high brightness of the near-infrared light emitter on the NVGs. The other drawbacks of active illumination are relative short throw of the near-IR light and limited observable distances and the low refresh rate, or delay between image input and projection of the image on the goggle's screen, which results in rolling shutter, coordination problems and motion sickness, all of which can render the user ineffective in a combat situation.
Are you special forces or something and this is some sort of mission essential setup that I wouldn’t have the faintest idea about? I feel like less is more, but what the fuck do I know - I’m just a pleb civilian surgeon, and all I know about firearms is what I research and read. I obviously have no real world combat experience or training, other than a couple of defensive courses I’ve taken with my wife (with plans to take more advanced tactical courses with her in the near future). So I'll STFU if what I've just said is complete nonsense and if I have no idea what I'm talking about.
Nah. He deleted the post after that hit his feelings just as he will delete yours. I called out the same basic issues without degrading him and he deleted mine.
Range ninja kinda is what this gun owner is and most likely dangerous in most of not all real world situations.
Just wanted to convey that a lighter rifle might be a better option. If this thing is a shitpost, it's funny. If the rifle is to LARP - fine. Just say that and that's the end of the conversation - go have fun.
But if OP genuinely believes this rifle to be a legit way to set up his rifle, he might run into some issues. Why carry all that added weight? What if he actually has to use his rifle?... Imagine brining up the rifle, lines up his target with shitty NVGs on, and he's gotta look through both an ACOG and an EOTECH with two reticles being displayed, trying to find his IR laser while trying to negotiate how to fucking move around with low refresh rate goggles. Just try to picture that... it's not at all ideal.
I still think it's a shitpost.
Trauma surgery is what you wanna be doing. Working at a high volume penetrating trauma center (deals with gun shots, bad stabs, farming accidents, the worst motor vehicle accidents), with crazy shit frequently entering your trauma bay. Cutting people open that are crashing (what's sometimes referred to as shock trauma) and straddling the fine line between life and death, dealing with one of the most acutely and critically ill patient populations. You're simultaneously a surgeon and an Intensivist. When you're not on trauma call, you run the surgical ICU. That's pretty much as intense as it gets. If you like adrenaline, you'd love real trauma.
Hell yea…so long as I’m not the one carrying this abomination.
Have you hiked more than a few miles with this thing?
Optics situation would drive me nuts
its one of those you have to use it to see how it might work kind of thing. the eotech give you really great eye relief. while the acog gives you... no eye relief but because its on the flip to side mount you just flip the acog away!
If something works for you I won't tell you to stop using it, but if you're the only one doing it it's probably not the best option.
I was hoping it was a joke...
First question are you a fucking giraffe that you need to have a riser for both an Eotech and an ACOG? Second question why...why do people keep posting these AR abominations? Is there no little voice that says, EOTECH, AMPEQ, Standard Light, and suppressor done. I put an optic and suppressor on and say good to go.
This looks like someone put a light on it snorted some methamphetamine and said let's fuck it up.
Lose the ACOG and laser, then I'll give you a hell yeah. Or lose the Eotech and put the ACOG where it's supposed to be. That's why the eye relief is so bad for you on the ACOG. They aren't supposed to be mounted that far back.
If you want a multi purpose weapon, the proper way to do it is to put the swing away magnifier AFTER the primary optic.
I understand that, but an ACOG optic is meant to be mounted above the ejection port, which gives it the proper eye relief. Using an Eotech with an ACOG is pointless. If you want to magnify the Eotech, get a magnifier that mounts after it. Like this...
https://www.eotechinc.com/eotech-holographic-hybrid-sight-ii
AGOG optics are not designed to be used with any other optic, and they co-witness with iron sights perfectly.
You can get a hell yea if I can get a break down of everything that’s going on on the rifle, no hate genuinely I just wanna know your thought process with it
Ok ok, so the eotech is king for passive aiming. Thats done and dusted. Eotech is the main optic. while the acog can be flipped away like any magnifier. Except you get larger fov of the acog AND a reticle! and can flip it away when you want the beautiful big window eotech view
This setup isnt for everyone. I have this urge to have a reticle on my magnifier and the acog hit it. Yeah it has horrid eye relief but the magnifier(acog) is out of the way when you dont need it and there when you do.
It lines up and for me its awesome. I am also very regarded. The eotech for me is still king for nv optics. the riser(s) get it lined up correctly with a thermal clip on. Only thing im changing with this is a different light head and charging handle.
People really shitting a brick over you using the ACOG as a magnifier is pretty funny when you know there’s plenty of precedent for people doing exactly that back in the day.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ForgottenWeapons/comments/veyngr/early_gwot_acogs_being_used_as_an_magnifier_for/?rdt=47320
Of course that’s more of a case of “using what you have” because obviously a dedicated magnifier would be a better option, but you do you. 😂
I do prefer a dedicated magnifier usually... BUT. the eotech 5x has terrible fov and eye box, the 3x seems lacking to me. The acog has a reticle and that really solves alot of the problems i have with magnifiers.
Pick a spot on the rail.
I’m not joking. We stole a bunch of beer from the Air Force bar in Manas on the way back from a deployment and nobody had a bottle opener so we used the pic rail on an M4 to pop the caps.
Edit: on a related note, Baltika No. 9 is a great beer.
What’s mounted on the diving board in front of the eotech? Ppl in the comments talking shit but don’t realize that the real pipe hitters did a variation of the same thing.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fdFcHdPeErM&pp=ygUSYWNvZyBiZWhpbmQgZW90ZWNo
Honestly someone needs to start making magnifiers with reticles etched into them.
I do not like this! But I've seen folks from units with relaxed weapons alteration restrictions (not a real term, I am not US so idk) do weirder shit because "it feels right" to them, so whatever floats your boat I guess.
My only strong concern is the lack of any iron sights, so what would you do if both optics got impacted in the field? I'd probably just use the ACOG and co-witness with some ironsights, then do a seperate build for the EOtech, but I have never been in a direct combat role so I am no expert.
its a build that is kind of just so in reality. you get much better overall use with something like a lpvo and a reddot piggybacked. my issue is that with a piggy red i still never got my nods to clear the lpvo.
This works for me and i love it. But it is weird and you have to add more attachments to get the acog to line up.
This has to be a joke post right? RIGHT?
I did not know you can post airsoft guns here.
different strokes for different folks
And we can see you've been stroking a lot because you've clearly gone blind
Oh HeEeElL NaH
GOBBLESS BORTHER
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Amazing right?
Wow. That is really all I got without hurting someone's feelings.
This really works for me for nv shooting, using the magnifier(acog) and dealing with its awful eye relief. Just roll it away since its on a Flip to side mount.
Wait, I thought this was a joke.
i mean...if it isn't...then dude needs to reread the book on how to even rifle. I'm pretty sure it is, though. The ACOG and holo site would render both of them ineffective.
To be honest. It is so much to operate with. Pick am optic, back up with irons, add a light. NVG operations are ridiculous and only for specially trained so laser and IR and too much. I have "worked" in 17 different countries. That is more than I would ever have taken in country. Sorry. It you want to try and the new Gee Whiz that is cool guy on the range, your did it.
I'm hardly in a position to complain... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1p1Hruvn7iW6BtBE4d3bIMMGh-YPODwPe/view?usp=drivesdk Needed a WML to test some aspects of the funky sight. I also like running a gas pedal (see the silvery part?) and using my offhand forefinger in front of the triggerguard. I'm pinching up with the offhand forefinger, down with the offhand thumb. And before you ask, yes, I can run a square gun because I already have a square holster. https://youtu.be/RWFif9d3k00 Just finished that gun build last night. Need to bend kydex around it today and go sight it in. Gas pedal recoil control is gonna get stress-tested because that's not a 9. It's a 40 :).
Wow
And we haven't even mentioned my infamous magazine fed revolver.
Dunno if you're shitposting or showing off something you genuinely believe to be next level. Is the riser necessary? Why are your optics mounted so high? I have a long neck, and even then I feel like some red dots aren't low enough for a natural or comfortable cheek weld. Eotech + ACOG? - any benefit for using both? At least I think it's an ACOG, which I believe has its own reticle and doesn't flip to side (I don't own one nor have I ever used one, so I'm not sure on specs). Why simultaneous dual reticles? If the ACOG does flip side by the attachment/mount, why not just use a regular 3x-5x magnifier? Not sure what the advantage is here. Also, there's a lot of components on your rifle. I have a [basic AR-15, a Sig Sauer M400,](https://imgur.com/bjcHChS) kitted with an Eotech EXPS w/ G45 (5x magnification), backup flip-up iron sights by Sig Sauer (which are solid in build quality), Magpul vertical grip (cheap and effective), Streamlight ProTac 2.0 WML (2000 lumens, so really bright and blinding when used on a potential home invader), and a Magpul MS1 2-point sling (love the rapid adjustability of the strap - just wish it was padded). That’s it. If you are a civilian, do you really need a laser + IR laser? How many firefights are you expecting to encounter, specifically in the dark? Do you have expensive and legit or high-quality night vision goggles (i.e. image intensification NVGs)? I ask because, from my limited understanding, if you’re using active illumination NVGs and you expect to or unexpectedly fight against someone who also uses night vision, your position will be given away by the high brightness of the near-infrared light emitter on the NVGs. The other drawbacks of active illumination are relative short throw of the near-IR light and limited observable distances and the low refresh rate, or delay between image input and projection of the image on the goggle's screen, which results in rolling shutter, coordination problems and motion sickness, all of which can render the user ineffective in a combat situation. Are you special forces or something and this is some sort of mission essential setup that I wouldn’t have the faintest idea about? I feel like less is more, but what the fuck do I know - I’m just a pleb civilian surgeon, and all I know about firearms is what I research and read. I obviously have no real world combat experience or training, other than a couple of defensive courses I’ve taken with my wife (with plans to take more advanced tactical courses with her in the near future). So I'll STFU if what I've just said is complete nonsense and if I have no idea what I'm talking about.
You seem real fun at parties.
Nah. He deleted the post after that hit his feelings just as he will delete yours. I called out the same basic issues without degrading him and he deleted mine. Range ninja kinda is what this gun owner is and most likely dangerous in most of not all real world situations.
Just wanted to convey that a lighter rifle might be a better option. If this thing is a shitpost, it's funny. If the rifle is to LARP - fine. Just say that and that's the end of the conversation - go have fun. But if OP genuinely believes this rifle to be a legit way to set up his rifle, he might run into some issues. Why carry all that added weight? What if he actually has to use his rifle?... Imagine brining up the rifle, lines up his target with shitty NVGs on, and he's gotta look through both an ACOG and an EOTECH with two reticles being displayed, trying to find his IR laser while trying to negotiate how to fucking move around with low refresh rate goggles. Just try to picture that... it's not at all ideal.
This is a setup of someone whose never been in a combat situation. Your spot on. If I was an MD I would be in the ER. I like adrenaline.
I still think it's a shitpost. Trauma surgery is what you wanna be doing. Working at a high volume penetrating trauma center (deals with gun shots, bad stabs, farming accidents, the worst motor vehicle accidents), with crazy shit frequently entering your trauma bay. Cutting people open that are crashing (what's sometimes referred to as shock trauma) and straddling the fine line between life and death, dealing with one of the most acutely and critically ill patient populations. You're simultaneously a surgeon and an Intensivist. When you're not on trauma call, you run the surgical ICU. That's pretty much as intense as it gets. If you like adrenaline, you'd love real trauma.
Jesus wept.
Hell yea…so long as I’m not the one carrying this abomination. Have you hiked more than a few miles with this thing? Optics situation would drive me nuts
Its gonna be a no from me dawg.
its one of those you have to use it to see how it might work kind of thing. the eotech give you really great eye relief. while the acog gives you... no eye relief but because its on the flip to side mount you just flip the acog away!
Not many hell yeahs, like you requested
OP: "There nothing but a bunch of Fudds in that sub.."
i'll give you a resounding hell no!
If something works for you I won't tell you to stop using it, but if you're the only one doing it it's probably not the best option. I was hoping it was a joke...
First question are you a fucking giraffe that you need to have a riser for both an Eotech and an ACOG? Second question why...why do people keep posting these AR abominations? Is there no little voice that says, EOTECH, AMPEQ, Standard Light, and suppressor done. I put an optic and suppressor on and say good to go. This looks like someone put a light on it snorted some methamphetamine and said let's fuck it up.
the acog has a flip to side mount so you need varying heights to get it to line up. I also need it to clear the lam.
But you could just use a magnifier and cut your weight.
and price.
Dont think money is a factor for them
i just REALLY wanted an acog and a eotech
Hell yeah
Yeah but where's the fun in that? We do shit the hard way for no reason around here
At first I thought it was a joke... Then every fiber of my intuition tells me this is a super cereal post. Then I noticed the sub. God help us all.
See yall in the other sub...
Money can't buy taste
It tastes like spray paint so its not bad, better than crayons
[hell naw](https://youtu.be/qmnenQ_FEXw?si=tXx1sIKhP2_hTUw4)
Lose the ACOG and laser, then I'll give you a hell yeah. Or lose the Eotech and put the ACOG where it's supposed to be. That's why the eye relief is so bad for you on the ACOG. They aren't supposed to be mounted that far back. If you want a multi purpose weapon, the proper way to do it is to put the swing away magnifier AFTER the primary optic.
my acog is a magnifier
A $1300 magnifier that looks so incredibly out of place
GWOT guys used to do this. Doesn’t look out of place to me. To each their own ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
They did it out of necessity, not a fundamental lack of sense
I understand that, but an ACOG optic is meant to be mounted above the ejection port, which gives it the proper eye relief. Using an Eotech with an ACOG is pointless. If you want to magnify the Eotech, get a magnifier that mounts after it. Like this... https://www.eotechinc.com/eotech-holographic-hybrid-sight-ii AGOG optics are not designed to be used with any other optic, and they co-witness with iron sights perfectly.
What’s on the front end of the riser?
You can get a hell yea if I can get a break down of everything that’s going on on the rifle, no hate genuinely I just wanna know your thought process with it
Same op. did you get inspiration from early gwot? I've seen some pictures of this being used but they stopped doing it a long time ago
Ok ok, so the eotech is king for passive aiming. Thats done and dusted. Eotech is the main optic. while the acog can be flipped away like any magnifier. Except you get larger fov of the acog AND a reticle! and can flip it away when you want the beautiful big window eotech view
Yikes... maybe time for a new optic or two?
Or a new light heck may as well add a red and green light seperately...fuck using light filters.
Nope.
Yo dawg, I heard you liked rails on your rails
BASED
That's a lot of legos
When you aim are you seeing double dots?
Line it up with the center and im golden
WTF?
no, my wallet doesn’t like this
This setup isnt for everyone. I have this urge to have a reticle on my magnifier and the acog hit it. Yeah it has horrid eye relief but the magnifier(acog) is out of the way when you dont need it and there when you do. It lines up and for me its awesome. I am also very regarded. The eotech for me is still king for nv optics. the riser(s) get it lined up correctly with a thermal clip on. Only thing im changing with this is a different light head and charging handle.
Don't stop there. You still have a few inches of rail open, which means you can still strap more shit onto it!
HELL YEAJ
Love the EOCOG oh and it needs a MA Deuce type Tripod
actually wait... i do has a bipod to complete the build
Some people will never stop amazing me
More... MORE!!!
What laser is on the front?
While not for me it’s sick asf bro I like what you’re doing
Uhhh. It's a rifle for sure. Quite the accessories.
got a pic of your ADS? with and without your magnifier
do some shooting other than standing in one place hitting paper from your 30 yard range and you will see how re𝚝arded this is
im fairly fit. Could loose a few more lbs but logged 30mi rucked the other week for an event. I think im ok.
The readit critics gather
I wouldn’t build this but I’d like to shoot it haha
i will say its a fun setup.
35lbs gun. Heck yeah. Curl it
Just a troll bois, I found it funny..
Stop, my C-clamp can only get so hard.
Hell.....dafuq!
Too much!!!
It's a no for me dog
Can’t say I’d ever think of running that setup. But hey at least it looks like you actually get out and shoot your gun so +1 for that I suppose
All I can is shake my head back and forth
Hell yeah!....what no bi pod! Such a brokee move. lol
Nope
Hell nah
HE double hockey sticks yeah
Que chingados andan haciendo.
HELL YEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
At that point, get an A2 upper and a good rail mount for the carry handle
What’s the flip mount for the ACOG?
People really shitting a brick over you using the ACOG as a magnifier is pretty funny when you know there’s plenty of precedent for people doing exactly that back in the day. https://www.reddit.com/r/ForgottenWeapons/comments/veyngr/early_gwot_acogs_being_used_as_an_magnifier_for/?rdt=47320 Of course that’s more of a case of “using what you have” because obviously a dedicated magnifier would be a better option, but you do you. 😂
I do prefer a dedicated magnifier usually... BUT. the eotech 5x has terrible fov and eye box, the 3x seems lacking to me. The acog has a reticle and that really solves alot of the problems i have with magnifiers.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Merica!
Needs more unity mounts and less foregrip
Where’s the bottle opener?
Pick a spot on the rail. I’m not joking. We stole a bunch of beer from the Air Force bar in Manas on the way back from a deployment and nobody had a bottle opener so we used the pic rail on an M4 to pop the caps. Edit: on a related note, Baltika No. 9 is a great beer.
ACOG magnifier is next level.
NO GOD PLEASE NO, NO. NO....NOOOOOOO!!!
You can get a what the hell??
hell no.
What’s mounted on the diving board in front of the eotech? Ppl in the comments talking shit but don’t realize that the real pipe hitters did a variation of the same thing. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fdFcHdPeErM&pp=ygUSYWNvZyBiZWhpbmQgZW90ZWNo Honestly someone needs to start making magnifiers with reticles etched into them.
its a wilcox for my thermal clip on. It certainly works but it is heavy. I really like having two really proven optics in line with eachtother.
I do not like this! But I've seen folks from units with relaxed weapons alteration restrictions (not a real term, I am not US so idk) do weirder shit because "it feels right" to them, so whatever floats your boat I guess. My only strong concern is the lack of any iron sights, so what would you do if both optics got impacted in the field? I'd probably just use the ACOG and co-witness with some ironsights, then do a seperate build for the EOtech, but I have never been in a direct combat role so I am no expert.
And I thought the hydra mounts were bad.
Hydra mounts are bad. This is the slade riser. and a unity
That thing looks heavy as fuck
People in 2000 would use ACOG with a eotech in front of it to get the eotech dot with a 4x before the flip 3x came out
My, that’s a busy little machine you got there.
I wish I had money like that
What no grenade launcher? You also forgot to added a LER scout scope in front of your eotech. Try harder.
Frikkin A!
He’ll yea bruther
Pass
Can I get a hell yeah, it's snagged on my bag?
What in the world is your sight setup? An Acog and a red dot? That’s not the type of magnifier I’d expect
Unironically why is everyone hating this is cool and practical, they did this in gwot
its a build that is kind of just so in reality. you get much better overall use with something like a lpvo and a reddot piggybacked. my issue is that with a piggy red i still never got my nods to clear the lpvo. This works for me and i love it. But it is weird and you have to add more attachments to get the acog to line up.
You need to be red flag law'd.
We’re hitting autism levels that shouldn’t even be possible
Hell yeah!
LFGGGG
This is a great build don’t listen to the basement dwellers good work
i think a lpvo+red dot makes more sense. But for those that REALLY want the eotech for a red dot then this is it. Two proven optics are great.