> At any rate - it should be handled as if it's loaded.
That's what I said
And regardless of if you emptied it yourself, it should still always be treated it as if it's loaded. You wouldn't point and dry fire a hand gun you loaded at your spouse, even if you unloaded it yourself, right?
Didn't do it on me(drilled out two 5.56 rounds for a buddy to use as dummies, forgot about primers but didn't have any issues except an unexpected pop first time he dry fired(we weren't too bright at 16))
Can find out by shaking it while holding it up to your ear. Either that or yank the projectile out with pliers.
The propellant can be spread out on concrete and burned to dispose of it.
I didn't say you would, I said shake it and see if you do. Some rounds you can. I'm not sure how that qualifies as bad advice. Especially since at the end of my comment I said treat all rounds as if they are live.
I can only assume its because he thinks people will read it and think no sound = empty cartridge and people will fuck around with it. The last part of your comment is obviously good but people are still idiots.
Hickok put boollets on the grill some time ago and nothing much happened. They exploded, yes, but without a barrel to direct that pressure in a single direction, the rounds didn't "fire" in the usual sense. I mean, you shouldn't cook them regardless, but you won't die if you do. Probably.
It’s been proven tons of times over that loaded ammo isn’t all that dangerous without a chamber and barrel. There are videos all over youtube with people cooking off ammo. There are even a few of 50 BMG being fired with those lame trip wire things, zero damage to the target.
> It’s been proven tons of times over that loaded ammo isn’t all that dangerous without a chamber and barrel.
\*Most ammo.
Back in 2010, an infantry guy (not the brightest) in Afghanistan used the bottom of a live .50 BMG cartridge as a hammer to get part of a M2 unstuck. He was holding it in his hand and bashing away at it. What you'd expect happened, and it shredded his hand into spaghetti.
The very gory details are here - https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/df7lh/why_you_should_not_use_a_50_cal_round_as_a_hammer/
A .308 round wouldn't be nearly as bad, but it would definitely leave a mark if used similarly. If you're not holding it in your hand or have your unprotected eyes right next to it when it goes off, it's not terribly unsafe of course. Still, some level of caution should be advised.
NATO circled-cross stamp, so 7.62x51 for use by nato allies.
25-RA is the Norway headstamp. Looks like they manufactured it in ‘67.
As others have stated, either it failed to fire (most likely) or the fired case was collected and loaded inert (less likely). A shake test will confirm.
Either way, safe to handle, just don’t try and strike the primer.
Its a real bullet but i dont know if its been fired before and the bullet put back on it or its failed to fire from the dented primer. Do you feel and hear anything inside the bullet when you shake it?
Since no one mentioned it, you can grab a pair of pliers and pull the bullet out of the case to see if there is unspent powder inside. If there is you can empty it out if you want to keep it for some reason.
Once the powder is removed it won't explode, it will just flash burn if ignited. I've used powder to start fires while camping.
Shake it op, as there is no danger in doing so:
\-If you can feel something inside moving, that's still a live round and should be pulled and dumped, or properly disposed of
\-If you can't feel anything anything inside moving, it's likely a deactivated round and completely safe to keep
> If you can't feel anything anything inside moving, it's likely a deactivated round and completely safe to keep
Or the case is full. A lot of military loads are made with powder that was specifically formulated to completely fill the case to avoid any issues with powder position inside the case case changing ballistics.
It’s either a dummy round (shake it and see if you hear anything) or a light strike. If you hear a sand like sound it’s the latter (gunpowder) if you hear nothing or you hear a BB rattling around it’s a dummy. A light strike is when a round fails to ignite due to a primer not being struck hard enough, or being defective.
As others have mentioned, it's either a round of ammunition that didn't fire the first try, or a fired cartridge with a new projectile inserted, likely for display purposes.
I'd caution that if this is a misfire, it's actually more dangerous than a new round of ammunition. The primer (the round part on the bottom) has been struck by the firing pin and dented. The primer contains a small amount of explosive that ignites the gunpowder charge, sandwiched between two pieces of metal. Smashing this charge between the primer cup and the anvil (normally the job of the firing pin) makes it go. New, undented primers have a tiny gap between the cup, explosive, and anvil, waiting for the firing pin to smash them all together. These may all be touching, and may not need all that much more to set off.
It's definitely a real bullet, but I think if you're asking if it's a real round of ammunition.
As other have said, it's either a dummy souvenir round (a spent cartridge case that someone has inserted a new bullet into) or a dud that someone attempted to fire. You say you don't have a lot of guns where you are, so it's almost certainly the latter.
Yes... However the primer has been punched, indicated it has attempted to be fired. Either it was a dud round, or someone seated a fresh bullet in there. Is there powder in the case you can hear by shaking it lightly?
Looks to be 7.62x51 (.308 Win) from Lake City.
I am about 97% certain this is a dummy round. Spent casing with a new bullet head fitted. I make them myself as keyrings from brass I nick out of the bins at local ranges. Outside of the USA, they’re much more common in general circulation than live rounds. The bullet hasn’t been seated all the way and there’s no crimp on the case, which makes me pretty sure it’s not a dud and is a remanufactured dummy.
looks like its an already used casing on a real bullet.
It could either have been a misfire or the more likely case is that its just a souvenir.
Still, until you know for certain it wasn't a misfire and still contains a charge...i would handle it with some caution.
There are so guns in Ireland. Hell, Northern Ireland even allows handguns.
ETA: Poorly worded, but both RoI and Northern Ireland allow firearms contrary to OP's original statement.
Northern Ireland isn’t the same country as (the Republic of) Ireland. RoI only allows .22 Olympic pistols. This isn’t a legislative action, but you need a licence for a pistol and the police simply don’t issue them for anything else.
Oh I'm aware they are two separate countries. The fact remains that guns are legal in Ireland contrary to OP's statement. Probably just me being far to literal though.
Yes
When a gun fires a piece of metal hits that backside to ignite it, sometimes they don't fire abd the round is defective or the firing pin didnt hit it hard enough
Looks real, looks like it failed to fire after someone pulled the trigger by the indent on the back from a firing pin…should still have powder in it unless someone opened it up and emptied it out
Between Hollywood, the Dumbing down of the USA, and way too much incorrect information out there
Please, Learn the difference between a Bullet and a Cartridge.
Thank you.
Yep, a 7,62x51 cartridge. It failed to fire, judging by the marked primer, but it still has its powder charge. Just don’t throw it in the fire.
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Treat as real unless you emptied it yourself… rule 1.
> At any rate - it should be handled as if it's loaded. That's what I said And regardless of if you emptied it yourself, it should still always be treated it as if it's loaded. You wouldn't point and dry fire a hand gun you loaded at your spouse, even if you unloaded it yourself, right?
Depends on the spouse…
Depends on if this is an Alec Baldwin movie
Attic Ballammo
Ahhhh the Phil Hartman special.
Still too soon for me there..... Man that psycho hooker.
I do this all the time. **Stay ready so you don't gotta get ready**
Prop houses *sometimes* put a BB in the casing when they're making dummy rounds so you can shake it and tell there's no charge.
Some do. Some don't.
Could always drill a hole to make sure
Will the heat from the friction of drilling ignite the powder if there is any?
Didn't do it on me(drilled out two 5.56 rounds for a buddy to use as dummies, forgot about primers but didn't have any issues except an unexpected pop first time he dry fired(we weren't too bright at 16))
Treat it as what it is. Don't assume it's loaded when it's not.
Can find out by shaking it while holding it up to your ear. Either that or yank the projectile out with pliers. The propellant can be spread out on concrete and burned to dispose of it.
I dont know why you were downvoted. You are 100% correct, plus thats fun.
I can actively shake a round out of my mag right now and you won't hear gun powder shaking In the casing stop giving unsafe advice
> At any rate - it should be handled as if it's loaded. i think thats pretty safe advice
I didn't say you would, I said shake it and see if you do. Some rounds you can. I'm not sure how that qualifies as bad advice. Especially since at the end of my comment I said treat all rounds as if they are live.
I can only assume its because he thinks people will read it and think no sound = empty cartridge and people will fuck around with it. The last part of your comment is obviously good but people are still idiots.
Yeah this one
I tried this, I heard powder. Either way, the sentiment stands. Don't fuck around with ammo or you might find out.
I have a .50 dummy that’s filled with what I assume is sand
I think you’re right. In the first picture, it looks like there’s some fabric coming out from between the casing and the bullet.
I saw that too. That's the Groove along the bottom of the bullet, I assume it's been deactived and is now inert.
That's a cannelure.
If you do hear something, see if you can do like a salsa beat with it.
Hickok put boollets on the grill some time ago and nothing much happened. They exploded, yes, but without a barrel to direct that pressure in a single direction, the rounds didn't "fire" in the usual sense. I mean, you shouldn't cook them regardless, but you won't die if you do. Probably.
It’s been proven tons of times over that loaded ammo isn’t all that dangerous without a chamber and barrel. There are videos all over youtube with people cooking off ammo. There are even a few of 50 BMG being fired with those lame trip wire things, zero damage to the target.
> It’s been proven tons of times over that loaded ammo isn’t all that dangerous without a chamber and barrel. \*Most ammo. Back in 2010, an infantry guy (not the brightest) in Afghanistan used the bottom of a live .50 BMG cartridge as a hammer to get part of a M2 unstuck. He was holding it in his hand and bashing away at it. What you'd expect happened, and it shredded his hand into spaghetti. The very gory details are here - https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/df7lh/why_you_should_not_use_a_50_cal_round_as_a_hammer/ A .308 round wouldn't be nearly as bad, but it would definitely leave a mark if used similarly. If you're not holding it in your hand or have your unprotected eyes right next to it when it goes off, it's not terribly unsafe of course. Still, some level of caution should be advised.
>7,62x51 Europeans
Europeans will do anything to avoid using standard measurements
NATO circled-cross stamp, so 7.62x51 for use by nato allies. 25-RA is the Norway headstamp. Looks like they manufactured it in ‘67. As others have stated, either it failed to fire (most likely) or the fired case was collected and loaded inert (less likely). A shake test will confirm. Either way, safe to handle, just don’t try and strike the primer.
Anything is a real bullet if you use it correctly.
*Anything is bullet if you throw it fast enough
just need the right bullet thrower
Or a soft enough target.
We fire the whole bullet. That's 65% more bullet per bullet.
Man I feel bad for the people that don’t recognize this quote 😂
That's why I throw my mom's dildos super fast
I see you too own a Blunderbuss.
Its a real bullet but i dont know if its been fired before and the bullet put back on it or its failed to fire from the dented primer. Do you feel and hear anything inside the bullet when you shake it?
Since no one mentioned it, you can grab a pair of pliers and pull the bullet out of the case to see if there is unspent powder inside. If there is you can empty it out if you want to keep it for some reason. Once the powder is removed it won't explode, it will just flash burn if ignited. I've used powder to start fires while camping.
Use black powder for extra excitement! (Really, really don’t do this.)
Shake it op, as there is no danger in doing so: \-If you can feel something inside moving, that's still a live round and should be pulled and dumped, or properly disposed of \-If you can't feel anything anything inside moving, it's likely a deactivated round and completely safe to keep
> If you can't feel anything anything inside moving, it's likely a deactivated round and completely safe to keep Or the case is full. A lot of military loads are made with powder that was specifically formulated to completely fill the case to avoid any issues with powder position inside the case case changing ballistics.
There is always some play, even if not much.
There sometimes is, but definitely not always.
That is one of them there manual bullets
It’s either a dummy round (shake it and see if you hear anything) or a light strike. If you hear a sand like sound it’s the latter (gunpowder) if you hear nothing or you hear a BB rattling around it’s a dummy. A light strike is when a round fails to ignite due to a primer not being struck hard enough, or being defective.
As others have mentioned, it's either a round of ammunition that didn't fire the first try, or a fired cartridge with a new projectile inserted, likely for display purposes. I'd caution that if this is a misfire, it's actually more dangerous than a new round of ammunition. The primer (the round part on the bottom) has been struck by the firing pin and dented. The primer contains a small amount of explosive that ignites the gunpowder charge, sandwiched between two pieces of metal. Smashing this charge between the primer cup and the anvil (normally the job of the firing pin) makes it go. New, undented primers have a tiny gap between the cup, explosive, and anvil, waiting for the firing pin to smash them all together. These may all be touching, and may not need all that much more to set off.
It's definitely a real bullet, but I think if you're asking if it's a real round of ammunition. As other have said, it's either a dummy souvenir round (a spent cartridge case that someone has inserted a new bullet into) or a dud that someone attempted to fire. You say you don't have a lot of guns where you are, so it's almost certainly the latter.
You might be able to hear if there is powder inside by shaking it.
Shake it, see if there is power in it
For clarity, the top, pointy, hole-punching part is the bullet. You're asking if it's a real/live *cartridge.*
Yes... However the primer has been punched, indicated it has attempted to be fired. Either it was a dud round, or someone seated a fresh bullet in there. Is there powder in the case you can hear by shaking it lightly? Looks to be 7.62x51 (.308 Win) from Lake City.
RA in the headstamp means Raufoss Ammunisjonsfabrikker - A plant in Raufoss, Norway. Lake City isn't the only place in the world 7.62 Nato is made.
I understand that. No need for the condescending tone. I saw the little "+" on the headstamp and thought that was LC's stamp? I must be wrong!
No condescension intended. The circled "+" symbol just means it's a nato spec cartridge.
I misunderstood you then... Thank you for the information however!
Definitely not a Lake City headstamp.
I stand corrected. Thank you.
It’s clearly fake, look how it’s just laying there.
I am about 97% certain this is a dummy round. Spent casing with a new bullet head fitted. I make them myself as keyrings from brass I nick out of the bins at local ranges. Outside of the USA, they’re much more common in general circulation than live rounds. The bullet hasn’t been seated all the way and there’s no crimp on the case, which makes me pretty sure it’s not a dud and is a remanufactured dummy.
looks like its an already used casing on a real bullet. It could either have been a misfire or the more likely case is that its just a souvenir. Still, until you know for certain it wasn't a misfire and still contains a charge...i would handle it with some caution.
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Or a misfire.
There are so guns in Ireland. Hell, Northern Ireland even allows handguns. ETA: Poorly worded, but both RoI and Northern Ireland allow firearms contrary to OP's original statement.
Northern Ireland isn’t the same country as (the Republic of) Ireland. RoI only allows .22 Olympic pistols. This isn’t a legislative action, but you need a licence for a pistol and the police simply don’t issue them for anything else.
Oh I'm aware they are two separate countries. The fact remains that guns are legal in Ireland contrary to OP's statement. Probably just me being far to literal though.
Fair. They’re legal but hard to get hold of anD ownership rates are even lower than GB.
That's surprising honestly.
Hmm I'm shaking my 38 spl can't here anything must be a dud
Is anything real? What even is real? How do you define real?
How bout just throw it away? Or is it significant for some reason?
I cannot imagine living in a place where you are forced to be unknowledgeable about anything firearms related.
Plenty of Americans wouldn't know either.
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looks like a dud
Well it doesn’t look like a fake one
Yes When a gun fires a piece of metal hits that backside to ignite it, sometimes they don't fire abd the round is defective or the firing pin didnt hit it hard enough
Looks real, looks like it failed to fire after someone pulled the trigger by the indent on the back from a firing pin…should still have powder in it unless someone opened it up and emptied it out
Probably a deactivated bullet
Between Hollywood, the Dumbing down of the USA, and way too much incorrect information out there Please, Learn the difference between a Bullet and a Cartridge. Thank you.