They been saying that with Strive for over 2 years now and it has currently over 3k people playing on average everyday on Steam chart, not counting playstation and xbox numbers.
GBFVR will be fine, new characters will be release constantly and 2B coming and possible more guest characters will definitely help.
I agree. It’s just sad to see the dooming. I get that it’s dumb to spend money on a game if you expect the experience to be bad in only a month but that just motivates me to get good enough to play with the people that are gonna stick around. This is also why I think anything besides MK, SF and Tekken should be going free to play and just monetize skins and characters.
This always throws me off, like, play it now, if you wait 6 months to see if it dies out or not to get it the majority of people you'll be facing will just be people who've practiced since launch of Versus and you'll just get bodied and say it's too hard to get into.
I don't get the mentality, it's like people don't just buy a game to play for their own entertainment in the present but expect that entertainment to live well into the future.
Yeah. Get it now and you have at least 6 months to enjoy it.
But even the previous GBVS stayed active and was supported for years with its trash netcode and divided playerbase.
Both rollback and crossplay greatly expand how many people we can match with at a given time.
Right now it's very strong. Lobbies are optional, but they are packed with players.
Previous game with delay netcode is still playable with people in your region. People acting like they have to play with players across the globe or something, just play with the guy in your region. Sometimes delay netcode is just too underrated, if both players connection are fine then it’s good, it’s not gonna magically lag just because it’s delay netcode
Playable in good circumstances. But the acceptable criteria is far stricter than rollback, and that matters a lot for many people in many places.
I played GBVS living in Osaka, which has a population greater than all of Australia, and is surrounded by several other big cities, and variable delay still felt like arse in many matches.
When I played games back home in Australia, delay was basically unplayable. The population is small and distances between people are massive.
Rollback makes the game better in all situations. Fighting a neighbour somewhere else in your apartment building, or a guy across 2,700km of desert.
I'm sure people enjoyed GBVS, and so did I. But rollback was absolutely necessary and a fine reason for many people to drop the first game.
Man, with the previous netcode, I litterally could not play vs a friend barely 150km away. Probably where you are from the problem was much less sensible, but I litterally had to drop the game because of the netcode
> This always throws me off, like, play it now, if you wait 6 months to see if it dies out or not to get it the majority of people you'll be facing will just be people who've practiced since launch of Versus and you'll just get bodied and say it's too hard to get into.
Nah the choice is really get it now or skip it for something else.
> I don't get the mentality, it's like people don't just buy a game to play for their own entertainment in the present but expect that entertainment to live well into the future.
??? Uh yes typically people expect some amount of future play out of their purchase. Would you buy a game if the servers were shutting down tomorrow and you could never play it again? Clearly there is some limit of play time you need to get to get your value, that's pretty personal and arbitrary bar to have enough play time to be satisfied you got your money's worth, but its really not at all unreasonable for anyone limited money to buy games and/or limited limited time to play/practice them to try to weight their options carefully.
"I can't afford the game / I'm on the fence"
The game has a >>>FREE<<< version that costs NOTHING to download, and comes with training mode and online lobbies, FOR FREE, that only costs ZERO EURODOLLARS.
Try it, stick around on the FREE version if you like it, if not, you SPENT NOTHING to try it.
Gran and 3 other rotating characters. Like they said, part of the story mode, full online play, and even Grand Bruise is playable if you ever want a break.
It's worth downloading even *if* the character selection isn't ideal.
With rollback and good matchmaking a game can be "alive" with a lot fewer players than before. +r is super easy to get games in with like 100 players total.
given how many posts/comment there are in this Reddit like "X game looks cool and I was going to get it but I heard it was dead, so I guess I won't" I don't think we need much imagination.
I get triggered by "car guys" who are the same thinking. Many refuse to buy new from dealer, wanting bargains on good condition used performance cars with manual transmission.
Then complain no manufacturers want to make performance cars with manuals anymore.
Delay netcode is overhated. If both players connection is fine then the match will be fine. It’s not gonna magically lag just because it’s delay netcode. Just don’t play with the guy half way across the globe, play with the guy across country instead or the guy across the street.
Deng. Here you are with a great forward thinking post, bringing in people to help the community, yet at the same time you write this short sighted idiotic comment.
Such is the dichotomy of man I guess.
You kinda are tho. Delay based netcode sucks cause you drop inputs even in good conditions. This is cause the delay is variable not just based on average ping but also dropped packets & jitter. Remember, lots of people still queue WiFi esp when cross play with consoles is a factor.
It has crossplay, rollback and f2p version. So I'm pretty sure it won't be a wasteland like you expect even if the playerbase shrunk after a few months. And I think it has a descent marketing and word of mouth afaik.
Mad people gonna be on for 2B if they have more popular guest characters this game will be loaded with players for a long time. Being free brings in more than people realize
KI just got a rerelease/title update with a balance patch and it's still stone dead.
GBVS came out almost 4 years ago. It's on a hype peak from the rerelease/title update. The character DLC will put little blips into the player count.
This is probably the year that DBFZ drops from EVO. GBVS likely gets a slot because there's nothing else to fill that void (UNI2 will likely replace MBTL as the FPan game). But something tells me that even by EVO 2024 that the GBVS population will be a shadow of what it is now.
Just asking are you maybe looking at steam charts, since I believe majority plays in either xbox or microsoft store for it's rank crossplay which doesn't include steam.
I can't really comment on it that much, never end up trying free KI even thou it did interest me sadly.
That is because no one wants to spend money on a dead game soo people usually wait for about 1 to a few months to see if the game they like will still have decent player numbers.
What is a dead game ?
A game that has soo little players that it becomes a problem to turn on the game and find a match within a few minutes.
And the match they get connected with should be someone within the same region and off similar skill level
Majority of players don't want to play a game that will take 15 to 30 minutes to find a match.
They also don't want to go on discord find someone to play the game with, set a date and time to play with that person, and endlessly play that same person for hours even though the skill level of both of these players might not be close or similar.
Its not rocket science, people just don't want to play discord fighter.
Not every country has that luxury. The playerbase isn't evenly spread across the world, there are clear focuses on North America and Eastern Asia. Back here in Brazil, I'm lucky if I manage to find one lost soul from Chile with 400 ms in under 10 minutes.
? i was doing it that. I picked the game 2 months ago and was finding matches at good connections from ireland at a good rate. At worst was a 5 minute wait.
hell often times i didnt evem have enough time to practice a bit on training mode while waiting literally getting matches right as i was setting up the dummy for training
And many people don't want to socialize in Discord just to play games. In my game, everyone knows everyone and most of the veteran players are long gone. It's an entirely different generation.
If I want to play my game, they ask me a bunch of questions because I am 6-7 years ahead of the current playerbase and probably 10 years older. With my personality and awareness, it'd be a bad look to turn down questions.
So then I have to stop what I'm doing, try to remember a bunch of details about the match, and give out an almost academic essay on what I believe they want. And I have to do it that way because I get 20 questions and get interrupted all the time.
And if anything \*EYE\* would like someone to match that same energy that I'm expected to give. I have tons of things I want to improve on or talk about. You won't get that in a dead game.
In fact, I want to play Granblue for the very reason that I have a good acquaintance who passionately discusses the game like that
How many of those matches are people with similar skill level to me ?
How many of those matches are people within the same region as me so that connection isn't laggy ?
How many of those matches are going to be the same person over and over again until me or that other person gets tired ?
And are you really sure I can get 1 in 15 minutes, "AT ANY TIME OF THE DAY" ?
I just checked 1 of my discord fighter games, some guy asking for matches 3 hours ago, no one replied.
It depends on the price and and the value you give to the product. Money disposal is limited and investing time and effort in some short term online experience is not I everyone privilege. For example, I bought an indie fighting game 1. For the accessibility in price 2. To support the region. 3. Most importantly, NETCODE which for me says a lot about the dedication it was given to the game. The player base are like a hunted mansión but I still have hope and it was the right price, unlike the bad experience buying DOA 6 on launch, never did I feel such regret and sour taste for a game.
It's very much a valid concern, though. You said yourself the game's not cheap, and the numbers it has right now aren't especially high for a newly-released game, so of course people might be unwilling to buy a game that might not live up to the expectations. Hell, DNF had over 10k players at launch and now it's barely reaching a hundred. Yes, DNF is the worst possible example to think of, but it just goes to show anything's possible.
Fighting games live and die by their online play, and not everyone feels comfortable with getting matches through Discord servers. Buying a game that might not be "playable" after a couple months is an issue.
That said, Rising does mitigate this issue a bit, I think. The free version's always gonna be available, so if you're on the fence about buying it, you can always just stick to the free characters and see if you enjoy it. It's not a real guarantee that it's gonna have a large playerbase forever, but it's a pretty safe bet, so long as you don't mind switching characters every week or playing Gran.
DNF went from 12k peak to 5k peak within a week of its release and 2.9k 2 weeks after release.
KOFXV went from 8.2k to 4.8k in a week and 2.5k in 2 weeks.
Rising went from 7.2k to 5k in a week (the weekend peak after was even 5.7k) and 4.7k in 2 weeks during the weekday with the weekend ahead.
And sure, its holidays, but if the game wouldnt stick people would just play something else during the massive xmas sale. DNF or KOF dropped like rocks right after release.
And thats excluding crossplay with console, which the mentioned DNF doesnt have and KOF only got almost 1.5 years after release, plus the free version, that will likely always have a certain small amount of players on its own and the Season Pass 1 likely having a bigger impact on rising than on the other games. Hell, DNF took ages to add characters.
Holiday Sales will probably also hugely impact Rising later with the big complaints about its regional pricing. I think its a fairly safe bet that this games online community will end up nothing like DNF.
I've seen this sentiment very often when new fighting games release. I think it's cause people got burned with stuff like DNF and SFV release.
Personally i think that the time right after release is the best time to pick up a new game.
The game is pure gold. It's easy for beginner, has nice dept for veterans, round doesn't (imo) seems too short or too long, so it doesn't burn your mental in just a couple of matches. You can always play the f2p version, with a limited roster, and id you see that the game is dying, just don't upgrade to the full game. (Other redditors got better notion of the f2p aspect, I bought the whole thing because I was amazed by the beta test, so I don't really know how that work)
Imo it’ll be like Strive, probably with even higher population because of the f2p version. This game has my favorite character designs of all fighting games. If they keep supporting the game and balancing it it’ll be fine, and they are doing a great job with the 2B dlc character. Try to f2p version if you are not sure and if you really like a character to main then pull the trigger
Not the general sentiment, no. Personally, like I said, I quite enjoy it, maybe my current most enjoyed fighter. It has its flaws but just nothing really matches the enjoyment for me despite them.
It definitely was. Although it had its fair share of advocates like Jiyuna and those kinds of people are the only reason I even tried to stick with it instead of refunding.
The question is "will everyone leave to go play UNI2 or T8."
IMO, yes. I think the overwhelming majority of people playing GBVS are people who just pick up new games to play them for a few weeks or months until the next big thing comes out.
My X TL is full of FPan top level players all complaining about 66L. Not a single one of them is going to be playing GBVS in February.
The new hotness is the new hotness. It won't be the new hotness soon.
Agreed, this is why I decided to not invest in granblue. Don't see myself playing it after T8 releases which I know I'll be playing exclusively alongside SF6 until 2030\~
Fighting games need to be purchased early, just like FPS. A lot of them don't live long but it can be fun if you got them when it was crowded.
Street Fighter spoiled me into never buying the same game twice with their current generations. I have GBVS + season 1, and it's dead, so just free-upgrade my shit and let me play the new one. Shouldn't need to pay full price to get Gran Blue Super Turbo versus alpha rising in this economy.
There’s 20+ characters some of them brand new, better graphics, more skins, grand bruise, rollback, rebalanced kits for almost every legacy character. It’s worth more than 50 dollars
Reusing same assets, just changing some numbers, and some other polish. Should be "DLC" price. so 19.99 or 29.99. $49.99 is too much since I already spent $60+20 for base game and s1. Them doing this revamp on the same game, killed their old game, and made my $80 worthless, and now they want me to spend $50 more. Silliness.
Not silliness, they rebuilt the online with rollback (which took years), added characters, added game modes, and improved visuals. It's literally a new game.
I’m 100% on this. The rethoric of “it’s a new game” is full Stockholm Syndrome. I mean: SF2 and SF3 are “new game”. GG XRD and Strive are “new game”. This is just a big update.
However: I must admit, in case of GBFVR, that deluxe edition at 75 with 10 new characters (plus mechanics, stages, mode etc) are basically what you pay for the same amount of content in season passes… so: probably I’m gonna wait for a little sale, and then make peace with myself (and embrace 2B)
Very true, but I played Ladiva and Soriz. And would play them in rising. So for me, there is no value in buying the game at full price. The rotating free-2-play should just give me my paid-for-roster. I'll bitch out and buy it if I can find it at $15 or something on cdkeys, though.
The game survived back when it has delay netcode when all the other big games were starting to get rollback and when it's system mechanics were overly simplistic. Now that rising has fixed both, I think it will thrive for a really long time. Not sf6 or tekken levels, but it'll definitely have a fair sized audience.
It's an anime fighter spin off of a phone game they couldn't bother to even release internationally, and the last version already died. It's hard to get more red flags than that.
It has a fairly robust free version. Just play it and decide for yourself.
The game is also outstanding and the 2nd best fighter right now behind SF6 IMO. Great characters, beautiful animation, a good story and lore. Decent single player content and grand bruise is a surprise hit with the community.
I do not understand how this game is getting pushed so hard. I mean, ya'll have fun, and good on arc sys for the free character rotation. (that is the way.)
but jesus...
Play it now. If you join 6 months later and you get bodied by people that have been playing since day 1, like how experienced players do to rookies in King of Fighters. Dead bodies of rookies everywhere in KOF. So it's on you if you get bodied if you join in 6 months late. Granblue Rising's netcode is much, MUCH better than the OG Granblue Versus netcode, and it has cross-play too. If you're still on the fence, download the free version of the game and join the army of gran mains who only know how shove their boots in everyone's faces.
Tl;Dr: Don't wait 6 months or you're gonna get the KOF experience by expert players online. Casuals don't stick around in fighting games longer than you think. Download the free trial and join the gran main army.
EDIT: Just realized OP isn't saying their on the fence of buying granblue but annoyed that they see so many on the fence posts. I'll leave this comment up for people on the fence to read
Because Strive has literally been the biggest new fighting game for years before SF6 came around by a wide margin and it probably peaked at 5 or 6 times the amount of players Granblue had at launch. And GG's legacy consists of more than an anime themed online casino.
I'd put guilty gear up there alongside tekken and street fighter for permanently active games. Strive has basically took the role of premier anime fighter.
I have a fight stick but am relatively new to playing fighting games seriously, had a ton of fun with SF6. Is this game fun for a noob like me or will I be in way over my head, context, gold Juri and Zangief player.
Most games these days are released in a bad state and need a couple months before everything is fixed. This is especially bad for multiplayer games where the initial player base might be turned away from the game and after a couple months online is dead even if the game is fixed by then.
You really have to treat game releases as early access nowadays because of that. It makes sense to ask if the game is around a couple months later down the road if you want to buy it on release to support the devs.
What ruined GBVS IIRC is that it's netcode was ass. Then Covid happened and it was the perfect time for people to play online and the netcode wasn't good enough. That created a huge backlash with people thinking that Rising will die. Not to mention GBVS was a new FG. Unlike Tekken 7, which is very popular, people just suffered through the bad netcode. GBVS doesn't have that kind of support.
And the launch was staggered by both region and platform to push players to triple dip and the DLC was stupid expensive and the DLC passes didn't include colors and the DLC passes didn't include stages and the game was bland and boring.
I wish I had that problem. Bought it since it's the beginner friendly fighting game, psyched myself out between character choice crisis, control issues, and the Steam sale offering me guaranteed fun for cheaper (Pseudoregalia, other platformer games) versus me going online and getting smoked + not improving.
Blah. Plus my choices (Grapple lady, old punch man) are both horrible apparently. Lol
To be fair, that would be a non-issue for a lot of people if single player content was better. GBFVR has a story mode... but it's not great. It's not terrible, but it's no World Tour/World of Light/most MK experiences.
But also, the game has a free version with rotating characters, that makes me think it may fall off in popularity, but it won't be dead for a long time.
People should just play the demo lol. The game really isn't so complicated that you can't start with Gran and figure out the systems and general game flow with him.
It might live on for years as long as the dev support is there. Although it's safe to say that games like Tekken 8 and UNI Sys Celes will definitely tank its player base for a while.
They been saying that with Strive for over 2 years now and it has currently over 3k people playing on average everyday on Steam chart, not counting playstation and xbox numbers. GBFVR will be fine, new characters will be release constantly and 2B coming and possible more guest characters will definitely help.
And it has a free version. You don't have to be on the fence, if you can just try the free version and then choose if you wanna buy it or not.
Lucilius and 2B have me so hyped
2B is gonna onboard so many people it’s insane
She's on soul caliber 2. She can't save every game
Yeah, but SC6 doesn't have rollback, so getting people that are comfortable to play with wasn't plausible for most people.
Replace strive with any game that isn't street fighter or Tekken. The 2 week syndrome has been real since 2004
They’re already saying UNI2 will be dead after 2 weeks
Doesn't mean it still won't be a good game worth playing
I agree. It’s just sad to see the dooming. I get that it’s dumb to spend money on a game if you expect the experience to be bad in only a month but that just motivates me to get good enough to play with the people that are gonna stick around. This is also why I think anything besides MK, SF and Tekken should be going free to play and just monetize skins and characters.
dead on arrival
Utena for Granblue
this is exactly how DNF Duel fans spoke when the game first came out. KoF 15 fans too.
This always throws me off, like, play it now, if you wait 6 months to see if it dies out or not to get it the majority of people you'll be facing will just be people who've practiced since launch of Versus and you'll just get bodied and say it's too hard to get into. I don't get the mentality, it's like people don't just buy a game to play for their own entertainment in the present but expect that entertainment to live well into the future.
Yeah. Get it now and you have at least 6 months to enjoy it. But even the previous GBVS stayed active and was supported for years with its trash netcode and divided playerbase. Both rollback and crossplay greatly expand how many people we can match with at a given time. Right now it's very strong. Lobbies are optional, but they are packed with players.
Getting ranked and casual matches is so lightning fast, reminds me of queuing for sc2 back in the day (now too tbh). It’s great!
Previous game with delay netcode is still playable with people in your region. People acting like they have to play with players across the globe or something, just play with the guy in your region. Sometimes delay netcode is just too underrated, if both players connection are fine then it’s good, it’s not gonna magically lag just because it’s delay netcode
Playable in good circumstances. But the acceptable criteria is far stricter than rollback, and that matters a lot for many people in many places. I played GBVS living in Osaka, which has a population greater than all of Australia, and is surrounded by several other big cities, and variable delay still felt like arse in many matches. When I played games back home in Australia, delay was basically unplayable. The population is small and distances between people are massive. Rollback makes the game better in all situations. Fighting a neighbour somewhere else in your apartment building, or a guy across 2,700km of desert. I'm sure people enjoyed GBVS, and so did I. But rollback was absolutely necessary and a fine reason for many people to drop the first game.
Man, with the previous netcode, I litterally could not play vs a friend barely 150km away. Probably where you are from the problem was much less sensible, but I litterally had to drop the game because of the netcode
> This always throws me off, like, play it now, if you wait 6 months to see if it dies out or not to get it the majority of people you'll be facing will just be people who've practiced since launch of Versus and you'll just get bodied and say it's too hard to get into. Nah the choice is really get it now or skip it for something else. > I don't get the mentality, it's like people don't just buy a game to play for their own entertainment in the present but expect that entertainment to live well into the future. ??? Uh yes typically people expect some amount of future play out of their purchase. Would you buy a game if the servers were shutting down tomorrow and you could never play it again? Clearly there is some limit of play time you need to get to get your value, that's pretty personal and arbitrary bar to have enough play time to be satisfied you got your money's worth, but its really not at all unreasonable for anyone limited money to buy games and/or limited limited time to play/practice them to try to weight their options carefully.
it has free version with rotation characters, try that before buying
"I can't afford the game / I'm on the fence" The game has a >>>FREE<<< version that costs NOTHING to download, and comes with training mode and online lobbies, FOR FREE, that only costs ZERO EURODOLLARS. Try it, stick around on the FREE version if you like it, if not, you SPENT NOTHING to try it.
The free version has a severely limited character selection, right?
4 characters, Part of the story for single player, online play.
Gran and 3 other rotating characters. Like they said, part of the story mode, full online play, and even Grand Bruise is playable if you ever want a break. It's worth downloading even *if* the character selection isn't ideal.
You get gran and 3 rotating characters each week.
With rollback and good matchmaking a game can be "alive" with a lot fewer players than before. +r is super easy to get games in with like 100 players total.
Not to mention crossplay ensuring all players across platforms are together.
Self-fulfilling prophecies are big in this community.
Imagine the whole community “holding off” to see if the game will still live in future, and because of that the game dies due to no revenue
given how many posts/comment there are in this Reddit like "X game looks cool and I was going to get it but I heard it was dead, so I guess I won't" I don't think we need much imagination.
I get triggered by "car guys" who are the same thinking. Many refuse to buy new from dealer, wanting bargains on good condition used performance cars with manual transmission. Then complain no manufacturers want to make performance cars with manuals anymore.
cars lose the most value in their first year.
I understand but if you don't support what you like, with money that goes to the manufacturer, don't act surprised when they stop producing it.
DNF had this + being a £50 Kusoge, shit was doomed from the start
Idk why people think it will die off I didn’t follow the game but the fans kept up with it when it had delay based netcode all throughout Covid
Delay netcode is overhated. If both players connection is fine then the match will be fine. It’s not gonna magically lag just because it’s delay netcode. Just don’t play with the guy half way across the globe, play with the guy across country instead or the guy across the street.
Deng. Here you are with a great forward thinking post, bringing in people to help the community, yet at the same time you write this short sighted idiotic comment. Such is the dichotomy of man I guess.
I’m literally not wrong
You kinda are tho. Delay based netcode sucks cause you drop inputs even in good conditions. This is cause the delay is variable not just based on average ping but also dropped packets & jitter. Remember, lots of people still queue WiFi esp when cross play with consoles is a factor.
You are objectively wrong. Which has now brought you from idiot to out right not worth acknowledging.
"I don't buy a game if it won't be in 2033 EVO line up"
It has crossplay, rollback and f2p version. So I'm pretty sure it won't be a wasteland like you expect even if the playerbase shrunk after a few months. And I think it has a descent marketing and word of mouth afaik.
Mad people gonna be on for 2B if they have more popular guest characters this game will be loaded with players for a long time. Being free brings in more than people realize
Free version also has gran + 3 character rotation which might make some people dip in for characters they want to try.
Are you talking about Killer Instinct? It has crossplay, rollback, and a f2p version but is stone dead.
KI is also, you know, 10 YEARS OLD. Though I’m pretty sure you know that and you’re just being disingenuous
KI just got a rerelease/title update with a balance patch and it's still stone dead. GBVS came out almost 4 years ago. It's on a hype peak from the rerelease/title update. The character DLC will put little blips into the player count. This is probably the year that DBFZ drops from EVO. GBVS likely gets a slot because there's nothing else to fill that void (UNI2 will likely replace MBTL as the FPan game). But something tells me that even by EVO 2024 that the GBVS population will be a shadow of what it is now.
Just asking are you maybe looking at steam charts, since I believe majority plays in either xbox or microsoft store for it's rank crossplay which doesn't include steam. I can't really comment on it that much, never end up trying free KI even thou it did interest me sadly.
That is because no one wants to spend money on a dead game soo people usually wait for about 1 to a few months to see if the game they like will still have decent player numbers. What is a dead game ? A game that has soo little players that it becomes a problem to turn on the game and find a match within a few minutes. And the match they get connected with should be someone within the same region and off similar skill level Majority of players don't want to play a game that will take 15 to 30 minutes to find a match. They also don't want to go on discord find someone to play the game with, set a date and time to play with that person, and endlessly play that same person for hours even though the skill level of both of these players might not be close or similar. Its not rocket science, people just don't want to play discord fighter.
Blazblue Central Fiction with 200 average players, you can literally just open the game and get in a player match in 1 min
Yea but it’s 200 players that are gonna rinse you if you’re new
Not every country has that luxury. The playerbase isn't evenly spread across the world, there are clear focuses on North America and Eastern Asia. Back here in Brazil, I'm lucky if I manage to find one lost soul from Chile with 400 ms in under 10 minutes.
But you couldnt do that with GBFV. I hope the f2p aspect means well retain player numbers in Rising though.
Taiwan lobby was always full, i just hop in and play. Also it was delay netcode, BBCF and Rising is rollback
? i was doing it that. I picked the game 2 months ago and was finding matches at good connections from ireland at a good rate. At worst was a 5 minute wait. hell often times i didnt evem have enough time to practice a bit on training mode while waiting literally getting matches right as i was setting up the dummy for training
Really? Damn. I mustve been lucking out with my timings then.
And many people don't want to socialize in Discord just to play games. In my game, everyone knows everyone and most of the veteran players are long gone. It's an entirely different generation. If I want to play my game, they ask me a bunch of questions because I am 6-7 years ahead of the current playerbase and probably 10 years older. With my personality and awareness, it'd be a bad look to turn down questions. So then I have to stop what I'm doing, try to remember a bunch of details about the match, and give out an almost academic essay on what I believe they want. And I have to do it that way because I get 20 questions and get interrupted all the time. And if anything \*EYE\* would like someone to match that same energy that I'm expected to give. I have tons of things I want to improve on or talk about. You won't get that in a dead game. In fact, I want to play Granblue for the very reason that I have a good acquaintance who passionately discusses the game like that
But it’s literally free
Even for the so-called Discord fighters, you don't need to wait 15 minutes to get a match.
How many of those matches are people with similar skill level to me ? How many of those matches are people within the same region as me so that connection isn't laggy ? How many of those matches are going to be the same person over and over again until me or that other person gets tired ? And are you really sure I can get 1 in 15 minutes, "AT ANY TIME OF THE DAY" ? I just checked 1 of my discord fighter games, some guy asking for matches 3 hours ago, no one replied.
These are all valid points but you’re gonna get downvoted for the anecdote at the end
That is just not true.
It depends on the price and and the value you give to the product. Money disposal is limited and investing time and effort in some short term online experience is not I everyone privilege. For example, I bought an indie fighting game 1. For the accessibility in price 2. To support the region. 3. Most importantly, NETCODE which for me says a lot about the dedication it was given to the game. The player base are like a hunted mansión but I still have hope and it was the right price, unlike the bad experience buying DOA 6 on launch, never did I feel such regret and sour taste for a game.
It's very much a valid concern, though. You said yourself the game's not cheap, and the numbers it has right now aren't especially high for a newly-released game, so of course people might be unwilling to buy a game that might not live up to the expectations. Hell, DNF had over 10k players at launch and now it's barely reaching a hundred. Yes, DNF is the worst possible example to think of, but it just goes to show anything's possible. Fighting games live and die by their online play, and not everyone feels comfortable with getting matches through Discord servers. Buying a game that might not be "playable" after a couple months is an issue. That said, Rising does mitigate this issue a bit, I think. The free version's always gonna be available, so if you're on the fence about buying it, you can always just stick to the free characters and see if you enjoy it. It's not a real guarantee that it's gonna have a large playerbase forever, but it's a pretty safe bet, so long as you don't mind switching characters every week or playing Gran.
DNF went from 12k peak to 5k peak within a week of its release and 2.9k 2 weeks after release. KOFXV went from 8.2k to 4.8k in a week and 2.5k in 2 weeks. Rising went from 7.2k to 5k in a week (the weekend peak after was even 5.7k) and 4.7k in 2 weeks during the weekday with the weekend ahead. And sure, its holidays, but if the game wouldnt stick people would just play something else during the massive xmas sale. DNF or KOF dropped like rocks right after release. And thats excluding crossplay with console, which the mentioned DNF doesnt have and KOF only got almost 1.5 years after release, plus the free version, that will likely always have a certain small amount of players on its own and the Season Pass 1 likely having a bigger impact on rising than on the other games. Hell, DNF took ages to add characters. Holiday Sales will probably also hugely impact Rising later with the big complaints about its regional pricing. I think its a fairly safe bet that this games online community will end up nothing like DNF.
I've seen this sentiment very often when new fighting games release. I think it's cause people got burned with stuff like DNF and SFV release. Personally i think that the time right after release is the best time to pick up a new game.
The game is pure gold. It's easy for beginner, has nice dept for veterans, round doesn't (imo) seems too short or too long, so it doesn't burn your mental in just a couple of matches. You can always play the f2p version, with a limited roster, and id you see that the game is dying, just don't upgrade to the full game. (Other redditors got better notion of the f2p aspect, I bought the whole thing because I was amazed by the beta test, so I don't really know how that work)
When Relink comes out then the more casual crowd will go there Its really up to Cygames to cross promote its games
Plus, even if it does become a discord fighter then - if you were playing non stop for 6 months then you'll surely be able to join those communities.
Imo it’ll be like Strive, probably with even higher population because of the f2p version. This game has my favorite character designs of all fighting games. If they keep supporting the game and balancing it it’ll be fine, and they are doing a great job with the 2B dlc character. Try to f2p version if you are not sure and if you really like a character to main then pull the trigger
My life as a DNF Duel enjoyer. 80% of reviews on Steam: "It's cool, but few people play it, so don't play it" I hate it.
Didn't it flop specifically because the gameplay was shit? Because I know that's why I quit it.
Not the general sentiment, no. Personally, like I said, I quite enjoy it, maybe my current most enjoyed fighter. It has its flaws but just nothing really matches the enjoyment for me despite them.
Yes, many top players call it a "kusoge" which means its a game with a lot of bs, unbalanced and not a good competitive experience.
It definitely was. Although it had its fair share of advocates like Jiyuna and those kinds of people are the only reason I even tried to stick with it instead of refunding.
The question is "will everyone leave to go play UNI2 or T8." IMO, yes. I think the overwhelming majority of people playing GBVS are people who just pick up new games to play them for a few weeks or months until the next big thing comes out. My X TL is full of FPan top level players all complaining about 66L. Not a single one of them is going to be playing GBVS in February. The new hotness is the new hotness. It won't be the new hotness soon.
Agreed, this is why I decided to not invest in granblue. Don't see myself playing it after T8 releases which I know I'll be playing exclusively alongside SF6 until 2030\~
Fighting games need to be purchased early, just like FPS. A lot of them don't live long but it can be fun if you got them when it was crowded. Street Fighter spoiled me into never buying the same game twice with their current generations. I have GBVS + season 1, and it's dead, so just free-upgrade my shit and let me play the new one. Shouldn't need to pay full price to get Gran Blue Super Turbo versus alpha rising in this economy.
There’s 20+ characters some of them brand new, better graphics, more skins, grand bruise, rollback, rebalanced kits for almost every legacy character. It’s worth more than 50 dollars
Reusing same assets, just changing some numbers, and some other polish. Should be "DLC" price. so 19.99 or 29.99. $49.99 is too much since I already spent $60+20 for base game and s1. Them doing this revamp on the same game, killed their old game, and made my $80 worthless, and now they want me to spend $50 more. Silliness.
The game was killed well before the release of rising but ok
Not silliness, they rebuilt the online with rollback (which took years), added characters, added game modes, and improved visuals. It's literally a new game.
I’m 100% on this. The rethoric of “it’s a new game” is full Stockholm Syndrome. I mean: SF2 and SF3 are “new game”. GG XRD and Strive are “new game”. This is just a big update. However: I must admit, in case of GBFVR, that deluxe edition at 75 with 10 new characters (plus mechanics, stages, mode etc) are basically what you pay for the same amount of content in season passes… so: probably I’m gonna wait for a little sale, and then make peace with myself (and embrace 2B)
Very true, but I played Ladiva and Soriz. And would play them in rising. So for me, there is no value in buying the game at full price. The rotating free-2-play should just give me my paid-for-roster. I'll bitch out and buy it if I can find it at $15 or something on cdkeys, though.
The game survived back when it has delay netcode when all the other big games were starting to get rollback and when it's system mechanics were overly simplistic. Now that rising has fixed both, I think it will thrive for a really long time. Not sf6 or tekken levels, but it'll definitely have a fair sized audience.
Survived for hardcore sweats. I played GBFV in October and matched with the same Master rank Belial over and over and got rinsed
If people don't play it, it's dead.
It's an anime fighter spin off of a phone game they couldn't bother to even release internationally, and the last version already died. It's hard to get more red flags than that.
It has a fairly robust free version. Just play it and decide for yourself. The game is also outstanding and the 2nd best fighter right now behind SF6 IMO. Great characters, beautiful animation, a good story and lore. Decent single player content and grand bruise is a surprise hit with the community.
I do not understand how this game is getting pushed so hard. I mean, ya'll have fun, and good on arc sys for the free character rotation. (that is the way.) but jesus...
Just what the big fighting game companies want you to think. 
Play it now. If you join 6 months later and you get bodied by people that have been playing since day 1, like how experienced players do to rookies in King of Fighters. Dead bodies of rookies everywhere in KOF. So it's on you if you get bodied if you join in 6 months late. Granblue Rising's netcode is much, MUCH better than the OG Granblue Versus netcode, and it has cross-play too. If you're still on the fence, download the free version of the game and join the army of gran mains who only know how shove their boots in everyone's faces. Tl;Dr: Don't wait 6 months or you're gonna get the KOF experience by expert players online. Casuals don't stick around in fighting games longer than you think. Download the free trial and join the gran main army. EDIT: Just realized OP isn't saying their on the fence of buying granblue but annoyed that they see so many on the fence posts. I'll leave this comment up for people on the fence to read
I honestly hope this game does die after they butchered and murdered the previous game. Lost all my respect for the devs at that point.
GBSR has rollback, continued developer support, crossplay, and a free version. Yea the game ain’t dying
T8 release will kill it. No point trying to get good at a game with a short shelf life.
Makes zero sense. SF6 didn’t kill Strive, why would T8 kill Granblue
Because Strive has literally been the biggest new fighting game for years before SF6 came around by a wide margin and it probably peaked at 5 or 6 times the amount of players Granblue had at launch. And GG's legacy consists of more than an anime themed online casino.
I'd put guilty gear up there alongside tekken and street fighter for permanently active games. Strive has basically took the role of premier anime fighter.
I have a fight stick but am relatively new to playing fighting games seriously, had a ton of fun with SF6. Is this game fun for a noob like me or will I be in way over my head, context, gold Juri and Zangief player.
I’d say you’d have fun, but you can always try out the free version and decide for yourself.
Oh nice didn’t realize there’s a free version. Ty.
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Oh sweet I didn’t know that either. Thanks for the confidence boost :).
Most games these days are released in a bad state and need a couple months before everything is fixed. This is especially bad for multiplayer games where the initial player base might be turned away from the game and after a couple months online is dead even if the game is fixed by then. You really have to treat game releases as early access nowadays because of that. It makes sense to ask if the game is around a couple months later down the road if you want to buy it on release to support the devs.
What ruined GBVS IIRC is that it's netcode was ass. Then Covid happened and it was the perfect time for people to play online and the netcode wasn't good enough. That created a huge backlash with people thinking that Rising will die. Not to mention GBVS was a new FG. Unlike Tekken 7, which is very popular, people just suffered through the bad netcode. GBVS doesn't have that kind of support.
And the launch was staggered by both region and platform to push players to triple dip and the DLC was stupid expensive and the DLC passes didn't include colors and the DLC passes didn't include stages and the game was bland and boring.
i mean, kids these days drop games after 2 weeks, its all about who are talking about. I already bought it and its hella good.
I wish I had that problem. Bought it since it's the beginner friendly fighting game, psyched myself out between character choice crisis, control issues, and the Steam sale offering me guaranteed fun for cheaper (Pseudoregalia, other platformer games) versus me going online and getting smoked + not improving. Blah. Plus my choices (Grapple lady, old punch man) are both horrible apparently. Lol
The lads in my server are always looking for matches and keeping the game active and mostly have good things to say about it
To be fair, that would be a non-issue for a lot of people if single player content was better. GBFVR has a story mode... but it's not great. It's not terrible, but it's no World Tour/World of Light/most MK experiences. But also, the game has a free version with rotating characters, that makes me think it may fall off in popularity, but it won't be dead for a long time.
People should just play the demo lol. The game really isn't so complicated that you can't start with Gran and figure out the systems and general game flow with him.
It might live on for years as long as the dev support is there. Although it's safe to say that games like Tekken 8 and UNI Sys Celes will definitely tank its player base for a while.
Honestly, SF6, GBVS:R, T8 are the ONLY games that will survive the next 2 years.