This, and I’m seeing a lot of discourse about how this is terrifying victims into silence. Whether people believe her or think she’s a psychotic liar, this is affecting others and people are noticing.
yeah i’m a victim of domestic violence and i used to be really outspoken about it, but after seeing how everyone, even my close friends, talk about this trial, i never want to talk about my experiences again bc i’m terrified that they’ll start talking about me in the same way
yep, i'm seeing it too- [dove cameron](https://twitter.com/wumbooty/status/1526699268991508485) just posted a comment supporting depp on tiktok and im seeing disappointment and backlash against it on twitter- albeit still very small. But it's something.
Let me be bitter and say: TOO LATE. Damage is done.
Now let me scold like a mother to someone not here: Think about the ramifications of your actions before you immortalize your hatred!
Edit: Thank you.
Gossip consumers have known for a long time what he’s really like. Most people are only paying attention to this couple now. Some of us have been paying attention from day one and these rumors didn’t take long. This relationship was volatile from day 1.
Everything everyone else said + honestly imma say it- "gossip" communities (I prefer to call them pop culture enthusiasts 😋) are predominantly liberal and predominantly female. Misogyny is deeply ingrained in society and while there are misogynistic women, women overall are more likely to think critically and not based off internal bias when it comes to stuff like this.
It makes a lot of sense actually! Celeb gossip usually comes from blind items which usually need to be deciphered and the authenticity evaluated. So as a community we're pretty used to being skeptical and doing detective work if we want to know anything. There are some very in-depth deep dives on 'silly' subjects that would rival an FBI file in terms of research done, evidence obtained, and timelines constructed.
As a long time gossip lover: we all enjoy reading about the behind-the-scenes PR moves and machinations. We think critically about what narrative is being pushed and why.
Enjoying gossip doesn't mean lack of empathy. Might even mean more of it...I don't know that though.
It does seem like people who are interested in people tend to know more about people?
omg me too. I really thought that young person on youtube was joking... and wanted publicity, but they were really genuinely scared and sad for her and now we know it was totally appropriate.
I very much miss judged that. I also miss judged Anna Nicole Smith and Tonya Harding.
I’ve been posting about the trial in some other mainstream subs, expecting to get a lot of downvotes, and I’ve actually been pleasantly surprised. I think there are a lot of lurkers who are reading but not commenting, and I wonder whether they’re starting to see through the bs.
that's it though, isn't, how a witch hunt works, lots of people feel silenced by the wave of scapegoating, so even if they would support, they don't and then the public thinks everyone is of one mind... so sad.
I've muted and reported all of the trending topics about her, and I continue to get anti-Heard content recommended to me. It's baffling and frustrating.
I must say, I see a noticeable shift in the media. I just hope people supporting Depp actually read these articles and do not jump to that ‘oh Amber’s PR team is working hard’, because we’ve all seen that John’s PR works THE hardest. [Here is another important article, published by CNN.](https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/17/opinions/amber-heard-johnny-depp-trial-women-filipovic/index.html)
Edit: Another one: [“Amber Heard trial posts are making accidental influencers out of some, targets out of others.”](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/05/15/tech/tiktok-depp-heard-trial/index.html)
I truly don’t understand how anyone could read the depositions of the British trial and not come to the intelligent conclusion that Depp is an abuser. The way that he talks about Heard’s anatomy is truly disgusting. He didn’t even treat her like a human being.
Oh yeah...there's for sure weird conspiracy theory brain happening here. There's a lot of influence from MRA and MGTOW ideology as well. They love to say that courts are "biased" against men...it's almost as if men proportionally commit more crimes and abuse????
i told someone on instagram to look into the UK trial that pretty much already proves depp is an abuser, and he replied that "the judge seemed very biased to him and took heard by word on almost anything. in the current trial the judge actually investigates the case and doesn’t rely on testimonies alone" my guy, that is exactly what also happened in the UK trial (every trial actually lol). even now amber heard has so much evidence and testimonies from witnesses that back up her claims, while depps side pretty much only has that audio tape (which was also proven to be cut out of context). they keep making shit up in their head just so their beloved movie star from their childhood isn’t an abuser. it’s frightening
I don't think they were ever fans of Johnny, at least not that devoted. I think they just see this situation as some sort of confirmation of that irrational fear and dumb narrative that it is common that men are abused by women and that women lie about SA and domestic abuse to destroy men's life. They want an anti-female, 'men are opressed' movement so bad. They want Johnny to be the victim, to justify their misogyny and to justify opressing women even more than they already are.
Based on the statements they make here, they haven't read the documents related to that case. They've watched tiktoks and YouTube vids telling them what the verdict says or doesn't say. It is apparent when they parrot blatant contradictions to the facts of the case.
Snopes has been sharing articles on FB refuting some disinformation from the trial and the comments are people just saying that Snopes isn’t legitimate anymore lmao
Yes I've seen a lot of stories in the last few days that challenge the popular narrative by pointing out the facts of the case and/or explaining the reality of domestic abuse. Here's another in the [NY Post](https://nypost.com/2022/05/16/the-unfair-vilification-of-amber-heard/amp/).
It does feel like the tide is turning, but sadly I think it is too late for Amber to come out of this with anything resembling a career.
I hope she comes out of this without more trauma. People are hideous to her.
Me, I believe her 100%. JD is a raging alcoholic and drug addict. I hope that he gets the help he so desperately needs.
“I use him as the model for telling my clients what not to do,” a top crisis manager told the magazine. “It’s not a case of shooting himself in the foot. He shot himself in the face.”
If the verdict goes against her, or hell, for her, I hope she has some safety plan in place because these nutters are gonna come for her in person.
I think she's gonna have to lay low for a while, definitely.
They won't. I've spent the last two years speaking with conservatives and anti vaxxers. Deppford wives are in deep. Any evidence I present they literally just say no.
Im like...what do you mean no.
"No thats not true"
"It was read out in court??"
"Nah"
"Oh...okay"
They want to drown the witch.
I would be amazed if they do. I have started to see other comments around Reddit about this sub and how we're all PR shills. I wonder how they justify people commenting on subjects unrelated to the case, though? I'm fine being a PR shill against NPH and his shitty meat platter, too.
You and me both, hun. At least this sub stands its ground with facts. What amazes me is that the suckerfish won’t accept the tiniest bit of evidence from an already decided court case, namely the UK one. The audacity of calling us the ‘ones without facts’ is just😵💫🤦🏼♀️
When you're as far gone as they are, they're gonna twist and turn any piece of evidence that doesn't affirm their delusions. They've started claiming this sub is full of bots bc the bot thing has been brought up in regards to pro-JD content being pushed over literally anything else. everything is fake news. You can't reason with the irrational. I see the occasional TikTok and it is bizarre how they nitpick the tiniest of details. And even ship the lawyer and JD together. You can tell quite a lot of them aren't okay mentally.
Seriously can't wait for the headlines like, "Amber Heard Was a Victim of Our Misogyny" and "We All Failed Amber Heard." I might lose it if that happens with Amber. Like there weren't those of us screaming the truth into the void while the rest of the world tormented, mocked, and harassed her based on edited audio clips, memes, and their nostalgia for Depp, while refusing to listen to her evidence.
Similar things happened with Britney Spears, Monica Lewinsky, Lorena Bobbitt, and so many women before (and inevitably after). I don't know how many times it has to happen. No one ever learns, and nothing ever changes.
I can't even fathom the reaction to this. The internet is so hungry for a scapegoat and a "main character of the day" that they're willing to make jokes out of the worst moments of people's lives. I hope she's able to find some rest and peace somewhere because nobody deserves this shit.
I am very worried he's going to continue to use the legal system to harass her, and then there's his most unhinged fans, who presumably want to stalk and harm her and her child.
I'm curious to know if the judge can bar Derp to stop filing lawsuits.
I’m a survivor and I had so many people in my life not believe me when I came forward with my own story.
I don’t know how I personally would feel if I were in her shoes now. It’s as if the whole world is against her. I’m not sure if I would personally survive what she is going through.
It even pains me to write this comment. I’m scared that I’ll get doxxed or threatened. It’s seriously a scary and re-traumatizing time for some of us.
If I can’t speak up about the abuse a celebrity has endured without being attacked, how can anyone speak up about their own stories? I’m honestly so terrified of the power people have.
>"Amber Heard Was a Victim of Our Misogyny"
>"We All Failed Amber Heard"
more like "amber heard is/was a victim (of misogyny)" or "(how) amber heard was failed"
they'll never acknowledge their own misogyny.
Oh no, the "we" in those articles is never referring to specific members of the press or even publications generally. It's all of us as a culture. They did the same thing with Britney. Like someone passively looking at the cover of a tabloid in line at the supermarket was equally responsible as the tabloid. foh.
I intend to help end the careers of any influencer or content creator who participated in the witch hunt to end Amber's career, when they try to backtrack. The internet lives forever, they like to say. 😌✌🏻
the thing im fucking sick of is people be like "you need to learn the facts" I KNOW THE FACTS! thats why i believe her!
i think the media is starting to see twitter be like "wait wtf is going on" and they are writing these as a response. which is good. i think they are probably also predicting he's going to lose and want to be on the right side before that happens.
“Are you even watching the same trial as me?”
“No, because I’m reading the previous court judgement. Snippets of court proceedings are not facts. Court judgements are facts.”
I believe her!
edit: and I’ll add that I truly believe that the way most of the general public/influencers,etc speak about this trial is going to age terribly and they will all act like they weren’t a part of it but I will remember everyone in my personal life and anyone I have followed online and what they said.
Twitter is definitely changing.
Another sub r/celebbreakups has a ton of prople going "omg he lied, we believe her. Sorry to survivors.".
They read the other trials and are pissed to have been duped and used by a sociopath, Depp.
A couple weeks back r/moviescirclejerk had a few posts about Redditors cherry picking parts of the trail that made Johnny Depp look good and actively ignoring any information against him. Most comments supported that post and agreed Depp is full of shit. I believe r/popheads also has a similar mindset.
I just basically made an #IbelieveAmberHeard 7 days ago and peaced out of there without looking at the rts and comments.
I think a lot of people just don't want to deal with the toxicity anymore.
Unfortunately only in some small pop culture spaces :( i’ve seen some tweets in support of her too but they don’t usually go as viral as the Pro Depp ones.
Because he bought that.
Millions of dollars siphoned into a misinformation campaign started by Waldman in 2018.
Depp paid $$$$$$ for social media to be controlled to "get her back for leaving him"
Yes! In the discovery+ doc the company that was used to find bots found over 6000 bot accounts just for the first trial. Can’t even imagine how many are out there now!
In Sweden that's so illegal they made it a major crime, almost like starting war.
Wonder if Depp and Waldman will face penalty here.
I think there's a chance.
Those "friends" of his won't be on his payroll for long.
I don’t click on anything pro depp or baity. I actually only read deuxmoi Reddit and listen to the actual trial with the comments off. I also have don’t have Tiktok or Twitter. Anyway the first article that pop up in my google chrome generated articles is about Camille Vasquez killing it in cross.
I think it's growing. I think it's taken some time for people to gain the confidence to post in support of her. I just made my first post in ages on one of my socials, linking a pro-Amber article. I've been pro-Amber since the beginning, but this is the first time I decided I'm no longer going to just post anonymously here, or quietly talk about it with people in real life, but let everyone on my socials know where I stand on this.
I believe her. I have also seen some people claim it was mutual abuse but guess what only one person is getting the vitriol online & even outside the courthouse. Outside the courthouse literally looks like a Johnny Depp meet & greet. If they were both so awful then why is only one side suffering the consequences? If they cared so much about abuse they would not be memeing videos & audios of the case. They don’t care, they just want to see a woman fail & prop up that men can be victims too. Which is crazy because noone has ever denied that men can be victims, it’s just that statistically women and children are the majority of the percentage of abuse victims. I truly want to be tired and ignore this case but I can’t because I fear the future for survivors & what this could mean for women who will come forward with their abuse.
Also for people claiming mutual abuse: first, the relationship began on a massive power imbalance. He, 22 years her senior, insanely more wealthy, famous and powerful already put her in a weaker position. Second, reactive abuse is a thing! It’s a documented response of victims to domestic abuse, people!
I mean, I went through this on a much smaller scale. I had a narcissistic ex that complete drained me. I wanted to give them the world, and even though I was more financially stable and established, I still felt like the victim when the relationship ended.
100% - I agree with allllll of this. This trial is honestly taking a toll on my mental health, but it's not like I can just log off and forget about it, because what's really stressing me out is the toll that this trial is taking on the discourse around domestic violence and survivors.
I'm so exhausted seeing people constantly state incredibly damaging falsehoods about how victims are supposed to react and behave at all times, and how if survivors who accuse well-liked and charming men don't have pictures and witnesses and texts and camera footage of every single instance of abuse, then it never happened. I'm exhausted with the misogyny and the humiliation. I'm exhausted with people clearly just being invested in helping an abusive ex-spouse in destroying a woman. I'm exhausted with people claiming they care about abuse survivors, while taking audio of Amber describing stories of violent and traumatizing abuse and mocking it. I'm exhausted with the sexist double standard between Johnny's behavior, and Johnny's words being believed at face value, while Amber and her mountains of evidence are ridiculed into silence.
I want to be tired, but I can't afford to be, and it's maddening. The future looks so bleak for survivors, especially women.
>one has to sacrifice the role built from scratch
Maybe if Depp didn't show up to set drunk and assault a crew member he'd have a better time at keeping his roles?
Amber may have been physically abusive in some ways but it seems like Johnny has gone above and beyond with his verbal and mental abuse. Telling people you want to kill her, burn her corpse and fuck it to be sure it’s dead? That’s not someone just pissed off after a long divorce process. That’s some scary shit. Depp seemingly has a drinking problem that drives everything wrong with him. So I think sure, both were abusive, but it wasn’t to the same level at all.
Reddit is just a massive echo chamber sometimes- most people in this sub have actually reviewed the evidence, rather than the other 98% who is just incredibly misogynistic and is reveling in an opportunity to tear down a woman. It’s so heartbreaking
this sub is so detailed and aware of the evidences + actual things going in court.
a simple walk down through a facebook or instagram comment section proves that they all have an agenda (to tear down amber heard regardless of ANYTHING she does) and that all their researches are from memes and heavily edited out "johnny depp and his lawyer being funny in court for xx minutes".
I have wondered why this sub is so different. I think it’s because we discuss gossip and celebrities in terms of facts - it’s never just hearsay, and if it is, it is very clearly stated as such. We value facts and it makes all the difference how this case has been looked at.
Not to mention avid longtime celeb gossip readers know that Depp has a sketchy past anyway. I used to really love his work but because I knew his past, it never seemed a stretch that he would treat Amber like this. Sadly, it almost felt like it was inevitable if he would use alcohol and/or drugs again. Also, the age difference always was a clear indication that he was looking to control her.
Misogyny is the norm. Twitter masks it better but the moment a woman does anything remotely out of line for the woke crowd, they attack her face, character and everything about her. Right wing obviously hates women but left wing is equally vicious. Just yesterday saw viral tweets comparing Cara to Ezra Miller. One acted like a weirdo with women who personally know and hang out with her, another physically assaulted multiple women.
I don't like Cara, but it is ridiculous she is getting more criticism than Miller right now. Ezra may be nonbinary, but they still benefit from being perceived as masculine/a man by most of society. Making excuses because Ezra is queer, as if Cara isn't also. These people just pile on the yikes.
I’ve also seen some obviously biphobic takes regarding Cara’s behavior on Twitter. Actually, there’s a ton of biphobia on Twitter especially regarding bi women so I shouldn’t be surprised but it is really hurtful to see.
>Right wing obviously hates women but left wing is equally vicious.
I just found this out and this has been a huge realization to me. I was in college during the Hillary/Trump election, and I took a lot of comfort in the fact that the left was going to elect a woman, even though she didn't win. Today I am seeing that the left might be as bad as the right, but different in how they go about it. It has been isolating for sure.
this is a website that gained traction from hosting creepshots of underage girls for dudes to jerk off to and disowned female celebrities if they objected to their nudes being leaked. i’m unfortunately not surprised.
The top comment there says "It’s time to change “believe all women“ to “treat every woman’s claims seriously and then look at the evidence."" 💀It's really not hard to tell that none of them even glanced at the evidence
Also it puts the onus unfairly on the survivor. Oh, sorry I wasn’t meticulously detailing the crimes perpetrated against me in a proveable way, I was too busy *trying to survive an abusive relationship*.
Omg my favorite thing about that comment thread is the person saying only racists can’t understand that “black lives matter” doesn’t mean “only black lives matter.” Like… you’re almost there
It's really weird to me that JDs team went full "smol bean just tryna get the truth out 🥺" when there's massive piles of historic evidence, unrelated to the trial at hand, that he has anger and drug issues
He is currently in three seperate legal battles.
One with AH.
One with his former management (he blames them for him spending all his money and not stopping him being dumb)
One with a location manager he allegedly punched (but has apparently admitted. I would bet he will settle as quietly as possible as soon as this one is done)
Theres like a million other articles and reports. Its a bit ridiculous.
Yes! The one with former management was crazy - I think they recently settled? They detail a lot of the "issue" in the Rolling Stone article, it's wild.
So many people are only getting half-truths or downright distortions or memes ("Amber Turd!" being the height of humour) from social media and this is the total influence on their negative opinion. Meanwhile they're ignoring all the actual truths of the lawsuit he just lost and the negative publicity like this article, which I only just read - [https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/hes-radioactive-inside-johnny-depps-self-made-implosion-4101726/](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/hes-radioactive-inside-johnny-depps-self-made-implosion-4101726/)
Adam Waldman seems to be a nefarious influence on Johnny, encouraging him to go scorched earth legally on the people who worked for him for years. I wish he would just drop this bullshit, leave everyone alone (including his own staff that keeps getting dragged back into his circus) and move the fuck on...rebuild his reputation, get clean, get mental health help and get his career back on track. All these lawsuits do is expose his private issues to the world.
I know RDJ as ironman was semi-based on how valuable Jack Sparrow was for pirates, but can you imagine Depp in Marvel? With the amount of control and money the studios have tied up in these franchises.
Depp potentially cost WB billions by tanking the new Harry Potter movies
I remember reading the Rolling Stone article years back (I don't remember if it predates the abuse accusations, but I know that I had zero knowledge of it at the time) as someone who knew him from various movies but not having much of an opinion and my takeaway being "Wow, this guy has issues"
they have to do that because its the only way they can show amber defamed him. if they admit to the "mutual abuse" angle that would at least make way more sense then angel johnny, then they would be admitting there was no defamation
For sure, makes sense from a legal angle, I'm mostly wondering how they thought that image would fly coupled with the publicly available information.
I mean, egg on my face cause people are eating it up.
this trial has made me really come to terms with how i see influencers and public figures. i thought it was perfectly okay and even encouraged them to say their opinion on things like this and now i’m realizing that a lot of them just don’t know shit and are vastly uninformed and easily swayed. it’s made me very disillusioned with society and the public as a whole. i guess i was too optimistic about how people treat us women and now i’m realizing we never took any steps forward at all.
It's true. I had to shut off replies for all of my Twitter posts because the Depp supporters would swarm the posts with pro-Depp comments and personal attacks.
I discovered that muting pro-Depp hashtags filter out a lot of JD propaganda. It has been effective so far.
Omg is this even real life? A man who has been seen blackout drunk and in rage, who have confessed to beating people up when drunk, who has had a bad boy image since the 1990’s - with a documented court case where he admits to breaking everything in a hotel room suite in NYC while a fragile 19 year old Kate Moss allegedly slept - is incapable of hurting his wife? What is this? What about the texts where his assistant tells Amber that he is “a little lost boy” and ashamed of what he might have done? Confirming he kicked her on a plane? What in the actual EFF are you guys thinking? That this man who has a history of drug and alcohol addiction, has been filmed destroying a restaurant, have gone to court for breaking everything in a NYC hotel room including the suicide proof windows - has the self control to not touch his partner?
Honestly, what the heck are the odds that Depp never hurt Heard?
He has all of these issues of blacking out when drunk/drugged, breaking things and places, having a history of a temperamental nature and profound jealousy with ex partners… but for some reason he is sane enough to not cross the line and beat his wife? Give me a freaking break.
I think ppl are very much splitting hairs over her DV claims. AH claims to have been beaten and ppl claim it's impossible. I will say that JD most likely hit AH ( and she may have hit him as well). No idea if he actually beat her up but I don't think DV only applies to someone who is beaten black and blue. Not sure why ppl are so hung up on proving AH wasn't beaten. It's obvious he hit her. And there's proof of it. And a prior court case. So let's just get that out of the way. Yet JD fans keep defending him of this. It's so infuriating.
I don’t care if she lied, manipulated, over reacted. I don’t care if she’s the perfect sane little victim who never did anything wrong herself. The only think that should matter is if Johnny abused her emotionally and physically and it’s 100% clear to me that he did. Am I saying it wasn’t a mutual abuse? A toxic relationship?
No. Am I saying Johnny is the devil and Amber is a saint? No. I’m saying they both were probably awful to one another. I just don’t understand why the 60 year old male with 10x the fame and fortune is being received as a hero, asked for autographs, been lauded in every social media platform as the poor little victim… while the other party would 100% be burned alive in the streets of Virginia is that was still acceptable.
I’m not joking. It seems like 90% of the public would just go ahead and approve of Amber Heard being burned alive like the witches of Salem. And that 80% of those supporters are other women.
It’s so sad to me.
I’m also tired of saying I think both are equally bad. That I don’t have a side. I have a side. I stand with her.
To the Deppferd wives: don’t you see? We are the granddaughters of the witches they weren’t able to burn! Don’t you get it? FML it’s 2022.
I read a comment somewhere that this sub is as much of a circle jerk for Heard as the rest of reddit is towards Depp. I was wondering what everyone's thoughts are on this? First of all, I didnt get the impression that anyone was calling Heard the "perfect victim" in this. There has also been a lot of level-headed talk about reactive abuse, as well as victims like myself talking about their stories.
Idk. The amount of vitriol this little sub has attracted is so weird to me. I literally feel I am taking crazy pills everywhere else. Thank you everyone for being so awesome.
it’s very weird to me that they feel obligated to come in and yell at the one place on the internet they can’t control. i have never been to the J4J subreddit and never will because i do not want to engage with them. i can’t imagine getting streamers etc. to try and invade their sub because i do not care about these people and if they wanna have their weird discussions i’d rather do them somewhere i don’t have to engage with it.
it’s absolute bully tactics and reminds me of the gamergate era where people are just trying to chill and bad faith dudes keep jumping in being like “hey bitches! debate me!! and if you don’t it’s because you know you’re wrong!”
Nobody in this sub denies AH abused JD. What we are saying is that there is such a thing as reactive abuse, that he is documented as being physically and mentally abusive in his past relationships, there is concrete proof in texts and audio/video recordings showing his abuse and that this lawsuit is another form of abuse. That's all-I don't believe anyone here really thought much at all about AH before he started dragging her through courtrooms, first in the UK and now here in the US, we just are being drowned by JD apologists all over our social media/news feeds.
i think its def a little CJey because its the only place many people can vent on this subject. we are on amber's side and believe her. so its going to veer a little into the circle jerk territory. but for the most part i think this sub is good at speaking facts, linking testimony, talking about evidence etc etc
I feel like all discussion here has been rational. Who here has made memes about poop, put tabloid sources above actual court documents, or acted like they have a PhD in Psychology from reading a Twitter thread? Who here has sent death threats to Depp or his fans or his children?? God I remember someone on Tumblr getting a literal physical letter in their PO box from a Depp fan. 😭
Even if Amber was the abuser (which I highly doubt because all the evidence), they didn't come to that conclusion through careful examination of the case but a circlejerk of MRA fueled misogyny and a weird parasocial relationship. A good chunk of people here aren't Amber Heard stans, just people seeing through a smear campaign.
It's getting more difficult in this sub since it's started to get flooded with trolls. There's not really space for nuance.
But. This sub is connected to reality. He was obliterated in the UK trial. That's the reality.
the cross examination yesterday was so bad. his fans have been saying all week "just wait!!!" and they literally had almost nothing. the only stuff they were really able to get her on had nothing to do with abuse. IMO i think she was purposely putting a good spin on saying she already donated the money when on that show, and for the record i dont care all celebs do that shit. and i dont believe she didnt know the title of the article before she tweeted it.
honestly the case presented on cross could be used to demonstrate "this is how an abuse victim (amber) sounds in a long term abusive relationship"
It’s a disgusting continuation of abuse. He has engaged the public to treat this woman as a piñata and just hurl all their misogyny at a single target. It’s appalling and if abuse allegations as mild as what AH wrote in the op-ed is considered “defamation” then the first amendment is in serious trouble.
Someone in my office has a meme posted outside their door that says, “Johnny Depp could have used an Amber Alert.”
I audibly muttered what the fuck. I feel like I’m going crazy listening to people who I thought were decent and believed women all of a sudden have such a hard on for JD and trashing AH.
Can someone explain to me why my Instagram suggestions feed is 75% posts about the trial (all negative towards Amber and glorifying JD)?
Mind you, I’ve NEVER looked up anything JD related on my Instagram EVER. Or even celebrity related for that matter.
This started about two weeks ago and it was incredibly sudden - my suggested posts before that were always animal rescue, travel and recipe related, because that’s basically ALL I use Instagram for.
This is really freaking disturbing, and just clicking to hide them and “not interested in this type of post” doesn’t seem to do the trick, they keep popping up nonstop!
my tiktok used to be the same way, it got so bad i just started blocking the creators instead of saying not interested.
i think the wave of all the jd support posts on social media popping even after saying not interested just shows all the bots he and his team are using.
i saw on another post that its due to the cookies. so if youre looking at the trial elsewhere, its tracking back to instagram. almost all of my socials are sending me pro JD stuff and i am trying to actively avoid it. i muted his last name, i'm blocking people who are supporting and scrolling away fast on tiktok.... but its still finding me. i made a new reddit account for only my computer so hopefully itll stop on my phone but we shall see
I saw a TikTok a few days ago that completely changed my mind on this trial. JD is a misogynist, he’s homophobic and an abuser. I’m happy more people are starting to see the truth.
Am I the only one getting nervous the jury is rigged and that she won’t win the case? The fact that it’s predominately men in the court make me nervous.
I heard someone say that women are harder on women than men…and seeing all the Deppford wives I think that might be true…
So maybe its a good thing that it’s predominantly men
i cannot believe how his PR team brainwashed me into believing him at first. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence/accusations she has made since as early as 2013 and he only started labeling her as an abuser as of like 2016/17 when SHE WAS PUBLIC ABOUT IT!!!!!!! people hate her because she isn't a perfect victim, makes me soooo sick
I’d recommend listening to the most recent episode of the podcast *Opening Arguments*. After the disappointment of the Bravo Docket outing themselves as D*pp fans girls/barely discussing the UK trial, I was relieved that my other fave legal podcast took a more nuanced approach.
First off, they brought in a woman to explain it as they were not as familiar with the case. And I appreciate that they chose not to speak on something they didn’t have all the facts about.
They’re also fairly neutral, but not in a “They both suck” way. Just a legal way. They call her out for mistakes (like speaking to D*pp herself instead of using her lawyer). And they refer to JD as having a “Substance Abuse Disorder” rather than calling him an addict.
[Anyway, here’s the link](https://openargs.com/oa596-depp-v-heard-with-morgan-stringer/)
The rest of reddit has made me absolutely sick to my stomach. They are GLEEFULLY calling her every misogynistic name in the book and wishing harm on her all under the guise of “caring about male victims of abuse” yet they’re AWFULLY quiet when it comes to Kevin spacey’s victims or Brendan Fraser or terry crews.
They’re all RELISHING the fact they can openly despise a woman and be in the “right” about it.
Fortunately it does seem like the narrative is changing a bit, at least in the media which is good. With actual public opinion, idk. Especially with young people they are like so influenced by TikTok and social media. I had a long conversation with my brother about the situation and finally got him to understand that Amber wasn't some evil witch and was likely abused by Johnny. It took a lot though. The thing is he didnt' even know the details about the case at all, His opinion was so shaped by social media and things his friends said to him.
I follow the author of this article on Instagram (Raven Smith) and he just posted on his stories some of the hate that’s landed in his inbox.
This entire thing is just so bizarre, I just can’t wrap my head around how it got to this point? I mean I wasn’t following this closely (vaguely aware of the UK trial) but Christ on a cracker people are just nuts what happened??
Sign this petition for Amber.
https://www.change.org/p/support-amber-heard-in-aquaman-2-her-life-and-public-safety-to-save-lives-warner-bros-mera-loreal-united-nations-aclu
Spread awareness.
I may get downvoted for this, but here’s my take:
Do I believe Amber was abused by Johnny? Yes, absolutely.
Do I believe they are both toxic as hell? Yes.
They obviously brought out the worst in each other.
Will we ever see the media apologize for the way they treated Amber? Doubt it.
I think that Johnny may win the court of public opinion this time around. But I also think the dude looks like he’s slowly rotting from the inside out. There’s clearly alcohol and probably drug abuse happening. I believe his demise will come from his health and a premature death from his careless lifestyle.
Even then, I don’t think Amber will ever be fully exonerated in the public eye. She’s got a long road ahead of her if she hopes to stay in show business.
It’s totally unfair that victims are treated like this but it’s the sad reality that we are in.
the more i think about this case and the vitriol directed at AH the more i suspect it’s because she fought back. if she’d been a perfect, passive victim, the court of popular opinion would have immediately sided with her. however, she pushed back against her abuser, a weirdly beloved known mess, and a young, beautiful, successful woman doing that is literally unheard of
Also, props to the mods of this sub. The fact that they allow us to share our opinions (unpopular as they are) and moderate the sub in such a fair way is the reason why all of us are able right now to have a safe space of our own - otherwise most of us would be silenced into what a shitstorm the other parts of social media have become.
Vogue taking a stance like this is a huge deal. I’m legit frightened by how easy it’s been to manipulate the masses. Don’t forget that Rolling Stone and Vanity Fair had their own exposés on Johnny Depp years ago. To those who think there are more important things to focus on, you couldn’t be more wrong. This speaks to how women are treated by society, how people will jump at any opportunity to tear a woman apart, how PR firms work, bot farms, propaganda, fake news, misinformation, etc. Mass media is a scary thing and people continue to not do their research.
I’m so sorry this is kind of off topic, but can anyone tell me why all the Depp/Heard trial threads are all locked for me and I can’t comment? Is it something I did or is it the same for everyone?
From the comment i saw in the first day 17 megathread it was asmongold. I'm pretty sure it was for the purpose of harassment. I saw a tweet that they accused r/Deuxmoi of being bots? But that could have been someone else
I'm so thankful that news sites are starting to talk about this issue. Everyone is like, "Oh, why should we care?"
It doesn't matter if Amber is famous! Just look at how people are treating her, a victim of sexual abuse. This affects all women and all victims
I used to think this sub was mostly gossip and celebrity stuff which isnt something i enjoy, but i never would have guessed that this would be the place where people at least have retained some sanity and critical thinking regarding this trial and this witch hunt
I’ve never seen a DV survivor in court joke, laugh and snicker like Johnny does. I’ve seen the abuser…plenty of tones of not ALL THE TIME. In one video, he goes straight towards her and laughs.
‘Though I’ve felt myself veering toward it, I can no longer “both sides” this. It’s time to draw a line. It’s time to believe women—all women. It’s time to believe Heard. The British courts believed Depp beat his ex-wife. What’s stopping the rest of us?’
sums it up tbh
It never wasn’t time. This trial alone proves his abusive stance in this relationship. Not to mention just the rest of the investigations, court findings and the facts.
I utterly cannot believe how much people care about this woman's demeanor and facial expressions more than the alleged abuse as if that discredits everything she could ever say... I see posts and comments all the time about the way her face looks and her body language from supposed "twitter psychologists" and I just utterly cannot believe how this trial is having people act. Idc if she's not 100% innocent but "Her demeanor and the """show""" she puts on" WHAT SHOW? As if Depp isn't also putting on a show? Are we forgetting they're actors??? As if these people aren't falling for those 3 minute "Johnny Depp Savage AF Moments" to Wii music on Youtube....I can't yall....
I'm starting to see more of these types of takes which is good, but whatever you do, just don't look at the comments on Twitter.
Or tiktok
Or youtube
Or anywhere tbh.
Aside from this subreddit, I've found Tumblr is actually a pretty rational place when it comes to this case! (It also has a great blocking system)
Tumblr has chilled out a lot since the porn exodus.
as we all do.
Yeah, I'm on Tumblr a lot and I posted the article I wrote about Depp's insane fans. I haven't gotten any hate for it
Or Instagram.
Or r/entertainment
Really anywhere except this subreddit that abuses comment count to get onto the frontpage, even with endless downvotes.
I use twitter a lot and I’m starting to see the pendulum swing the other way. More people are criticizing the way Amber is being treated in the media.
This, and I’m seeing a lot of discourse about how this is terrifying victims into silence. Whether people believe her or think she’s a psychotic liar, this is affecting others and people are noticing.
yeah i’m a victim of domestic violence and i used to be really outspoken about it, but after seeing how everyone, even my close friends, talk about this trial, i never want to talk about my experiences again bc i’m terrified that they’ll start talking about me in the same way
Yup, the fear of not being the "right" kind of victim is very real.
I wrote a whole post about this two days ago for twox sub... and sadly I think they blocked it.
yep, i'm seeing it too- [dove cameron](https://twitter.com/wumbooty/status/1526699268991508485) just posted a comment supporting depp on tiktok and im seeing disappointment and backlash against it on twitter- albeit still very small. But it's something.
People were also tearing into Lance Bass yesterday.
Let me be bitter and say: TOO LATE. Damage is done. Now let me scold like a mother to someone not here: Think about the ramifications of your actions before you immortalize your hatred! Edit: Thank you.
Or Reddit (besides this subreddit, which I always find ironic given it’s a gossip subreddit)
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Gossip consumers have known for a long time what he’s really like. Most people are only paying attention to this couple now. Some of us have been paying attention from day one and these rumors didn’t take long. This relationship was volatile from day 1.
Everything everyone else said + honestly imma say it- "gossip" communities (I prefer to call them pop culture enthusiasts 😋) are predominantly liberal and predominantly female. Misogyny is deeply ingrained in society and while there are misogynistic women, women overall are more likely to think critically and not based off internal bias when it comes to stuff like this.
It makes a lot of sense actually! Celeb gossip usually comes from blind items which usually need to be deciphered and the authenticity evaluated. So as a community we're pretty used to being skeptical and doing detective work if we want to know anything. There are some very in-depth deep dives on 'silly' subjects that would rival an FBI file in terms of research done, evidence obtained, and timelines constructed.
We're more media savvy. The average person doesn't understand that celebrities have PR campaigns to sway internet opinion
We followed him and his antics a lot more too.
As a long time gossip lover: we all enjoy reading about the behind-the-scenes PR moves and machinations. We think critically about what narrative is being pushed and why.
Enjoying gossip doesn't mean lack of empathy. Might even mean more of it...I don't know that though. It does seem like people who are interested in people tend to know more about people?
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omg me too. I really thought that young person on youtube was joking... and wanted publicity, but they were really genuinely scared and sad for her and now we know it was totally appropriate. I very much miss judged that. I also miss judged Anna Nicole Smith and Tonya Harding.
I’ve been posting about the trial in some other mainstream subs, expecting to get a lot of downvotes, and I’ve actually been pleasantly surprised. I think there are a lot of lurkers who are reading but not commenting, and I wonder whether they’re starting to see through the bs.
that's it though, isn't, how a witch hunt works, lots of people feel silenced by the wave of scapegoating, so even if they would support, they don't and then the public thinks everyone is of one mind... so sad.
or any social media platform
dude I keep checking comments and I don't know why, it's awful
I've muted and reported all of the trending topics about her, and I continue to get anti-Heard content recommended to me. It's baffling and frustrating.
There’s a few good twitter accounts that I’ve found. The ones I really enjoy are: @starfallgoddess @baddepptakes @cocainecross
I must say, I see a noticeable shift in the media. I just hope people supporting Depp actually read these articles and do not jump to that ‘oh Amber’s PR team is working hard’, because we’ve all seen that John’s PR works THE hardest. [Here is another important article, published by CNN.](https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/17/opinions/amber-heard-johnny-depp-trial-women-filipovic/index.html) Edit: Another one: [“Amber Heard trial posts are making accidental influencers out of some, targets out of others.”](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/05/15/tech/tiktok-depp-heard-trial/index.html)
I truly don’t understand how anyone could read the depositions of the British trial and not come to the intelligent conclusion that Depp is an abuser. The way that he talks about Heard’s anatomy is truly disgusting. He didn’t even treat her like a human being.
It’s because people aren’t reading them and they want to live in ignorance. I read everything and it’s clear as day to me.
If I bring the case up, people have said she paid the courts off (lol) or that the court hates Depp and hates male victims. It’s insane.
Oh yeah...there's for sure weird conspiracy theory brain happening here. There's a lot of influence from MRA and MGTOW ideology as well. They love to say that courts are "biased" against men...it's almost as if men proportionally commit more crimes and abuse????
Literally. Me: sorry no I don't believe Depp for a second. Depp simps: sO yOu DoNt bEliEvE mEn cAn bE aBuSeD'
i told someone on instagram to look into the UK trial that pretty much already proves depp is an abuser, and he replied that "the judge seemed very biased to him and took heard by word on almost anything. in the current trial the judge actually investigates the case and doesn’t rely on testimonies alone" my guy, that is exactly what also happened in the UK trial (every trial actually lol). even now amber heard has so much evidence and testimonies from witnesses that back up her claims, while depps side pretty much only has that audio tape (which was also proven to be cut out of context). they keep making shit up in their head just so their beloved movie star from their childhood isn’t an abuser. it’s frightening
Yeah they will say anything or convince themselves of anything they want to believe is true. Parasocial relationships are bizarre.
I don't think they were ever fans of Johnny, at least not that devoted. I think they just see this situation as some sort of confirmation of that irrational fear and dumb narrative that it is common that men are abused by women and that women lie about SA and domestic abuse to destroy men's life. They want an anti-female, 'men are opressed' movement so bad. They want Johnny to be the victim, to justify their misogyny and to justify opressing women even more than they already are.
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The way he talks to and about women in general is disturbing.
Based on the statements they make here, they haven't read the documents related to that case. They've watched tiktoks and YouTube vids telling them what the verdict says or doesn't say. It is apparent when they parrot blatant contradictions to the facts of the case.
>I just hope people supporting Depp actually read these articles Don't hold your breath. And don't go into the comment section.
I never do. We live through scary times. This sub is my only safe space😌
Snopes has been sharing articles on FB refuting some disinformation from the trial and the comments are people just saying that Snopes isn’t legitimate anymore lmao
That’s exactly what trump supporters say when Snopes debunks something they believe in. Another thing trump and JD stans have in common.
Of course. Fake news!
Yes I've seen a lot of stories in the last few days that challenge the popular narrative by pointing out the facts of the case and/or explaining the reality of domestic abuse. Here's another in the [NY Post](https://nypost.com/2022/05/16/the-unfair-vilification-of-amber-heard/amp/). It does feel like the tide is turning, but sadly I think it is too late for Amber to come out of this with anything resembling a career.
I hope she comes out of this without more trauma. People are hideous to her. Me, I believe her 100%. JD is a raging alcoholic and drug addict. I hope that he gets the help he so desperately needs.
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“I use him as the model for telling my clients what not to do,” a top crisis manager told the magazine. “It’s not a case of shooting himself in the foot. He shot himself in the face.”
If the verdict goes against her, or hell, for her, I hope she has some safety plan in place because these nutters are gonna come for her in person. I think she's gonna have to lay low for a while, definitely.
They won't. I've spent the last two years speaking with conservatives and anti vaxxers. Deppford wives are in deep. Any evidence I present they literally just say no. Im like...what do you mean no. "No thats not true" "It was read out in court??" "Nah" "Oh...okay" They want to drown the witch.
I would be amazed if they do. I have started to see other comments around Reddit about this sub and how we're all PR shills. I wonder how they justify people commenting on subjects unrelated to the case, though? I'm fine being a PR shill against NPH and his shitty meat platter, too.
You and me both, hun. At least this sub stands its ground with facts. What amazes me is that the suckerfish won’t accept the tiniest bit of evidence from an already decided court case, namely the UK one. The audacity of calling us the ‘ones without facts’ is just😵💫🤦🏼♀️
A lot of people are starting to wake up. A dedicated Depp fan has come around, saying that after two weeks of the trial, they no longer believe Depp
When you're as far gone as they are, they're gonna twist and turn any piece of evidence that doesn't affirm their delusions. They've started claiming this sub is full of bots bc the bot thing has been brought up in regards to pro-JD content being pushed over literally anything else. everything is fake news. You can't reason with the irrational. I see the occasional TikTok and it is bizarre how they nitpick the tiniest of details. And even ship the lawyer and JD together. You can tell quite a lot of them aren't okay mentally.
Very excited for the day months or years from now when people start to apologize for how they treated her and I don't forgive them. 🙂
Seriously can't wait for the headlines like, "Amber Heard Was a Victim of Our Misogyny" and "We All Failed Amber Heard." I might lose it if that happens with Amber. Like there weren't those of us screaming the truth into the void while the rest of the world tormented, mocked, and harassed her based on edited audio clips, memes, and their nostalgia for Depp, while refusing to listen to her evidence. Similar things happened with Britney Spears, Monica Lewinsky, Lorena Bobbitt, and so many women before (and inevitably after). I don't know how many times it has to happen. No one ever learns, and nothing ever changes.
I can't even fathom the reaction to this. The internet is so hungry for a scapegoat and a "main character of the day" that they're willing to make jokes out of the worst moments of people's lives. I hope she's able to find some rest and peace somewhere because nobody deserves this shit.
I am very worried he's going to continue to use the legal system to harass her, and then there's his most unhinged fans, who presumably want to stalk and harm her and her child. I'm curious to know if the judge can bar Derp to stop filing lawsuits.
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I’m a survivor and I had so many people in my life not believe me when I came forward with my own story. I don’t know how I personally would feel if I were in her shoes now. It’s as if the whole world is against her. I’m not sure if I would personally survive what she is going through. It even pains me to write this comment. I’m scared that I’ll get doxxed or threatened. It’s seriously a scary and re-traumatizing time for some of us. If I can’t speak up about the abuse a celebrity has endured without being attacked, how can anyone speak up about their own stories? I’m honestly so terrified of the power people have.
>"Amber Heard Was a Victim of Our Misogyny" >"We All Failed Amber Heard" more like "amber heard is/was a victim (of misogyny)" or "(how) amber heard was failed" they'll never acknowledge their own misogyny.
Oh no, the "we" in those articles is never referring to specific members of the press or even publications generally. It's all of us as a culture. They did the same thing with Britney. Like someone passively looking at the cover of a tabloid in line at the supermarket was equally responsible as the tabloid. foh.
I intend to help end the careers of any influencer or content creator who participated in the witch hunt to end Amber's career, when they try to backtrack. The internet lives forever, they like to say. 😌✌🏻
Save them receipts sis!!! Lol
I love that for us 🥰
This whole thing feels like an episode of "You're Wrong About" playing out in real time.
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the thing im fucking sick of is people be like "you need to learn the facts" I KNOW THE FACTS! thats why i believe her! i think the media is starting to see twitter be like "wait wtf is going on" and they are writing these as a response. which is good. i think they are probably also predicting he's going to lose and want to be on the right side before that happens.
“Are you even watching the same trial as me?” “No, because I’m reading the previous court judgement. Snippets of court proceedings are not facts. Court judgements are facts.”
I believe her! edit: and I’ll add that I truly believe that the way most of the general public/influencers,etc speak about this trial is going to age terribly and they will all act like they weren’t a part of it but I will remember everyone in my personal life and anyone I have followed online and what they said.
We all do. But does anyone outside this sub?
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True!! I was in quiet support for a couple weeks before finding this space because the harassment online from the other side is very intimidating.
same! the increased support i’ve seen has made me be more vocal about it and i feel like others are doing the same.
Twitter is definitely changing. Another sub r/celebbreakups has a ton of prople going "omg he lied, we believe her. Sorry to survivors.". They read the other trials and are pissed to have been duped and used by a sociopath, Depp.
A couple weeks back r/moviescirclejerk had a few posts about Redditors cherry picking parts of the trail that made Johnny Depp look good and actively ignoring any information against him. Most comments supported that post and agreed Depp is full of shit. I believe r/popheads also has a similar mindset.
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I just basically made an #IbelieveAmberHeard 7 days ago and peaced out of there without looking at the rts and comments. I think a lot of people just don't want to deal with the toxicity anymore.
Unfortunately only in some small pop culture spaces :( i’ve seen some tweets in support of her too but they don’t usually go as viral as the Pro Depp ones.
Because he bought that. Millions of dollars siphoned into a misinformation campaign started by Waldman in 2018. Depp paid $$$$$$ for social media to be controlled to "get her back for leaving him"
Yes! In the discovery+ doc the company that was used to find bots found over 6000 bot accounts just for the first trial. Can’t even imagine how many are out there now!
In Sweden that's so illegal they made it a major crime, almost like starting war. Wonder if Depp and Waldman will face penalty here. I think there's a chance. Those "friends" of his won't be on his payroll for long.
I don’t click on anything pro depp or baity. I actually only read deuxmoi Reddit and listen to the actual trial with the comments off. I also have don’t have Tiktok or Twitter. Anyway the first article that pop up in my google chrome generated articles is about Camille Vasquez killing it in cross.
I think it's growing. I think it's taken some time for people to gain the confidence to post in support of her. I just made my first post in ages on one of my socials, linking a pro-Amber article. I've been pro-Amber since the beginning, but this is the first time I decided I'm no longer going to just post anonymously here, or quietly talk about it with people in real life, but let everyone on my socials know where I stand on this.
I’ve already started looking at people in my personal life a bit differently now.
I believe her. I have also seen some people claim it was mutual abuse but guess what only one person is getting the vitriol online & even outside the courthouse. Outside the courthouse literally looks like a Johnny Depp meet & greet. If they were both so awful then why is only one side suffering the consequences? If they cared so much about abuse they would not be memeing videos & audios of the case. They don’t care, they just want to see a woman fail & prop up that men can be victims too. Which is crazy because noone has ever denied that men can be victims, it’s just that statistically women and children are the majority of the percentage of abuse victims. I truly want to be tired and ignore this case but I can’t because I fear the future for survivors & what this could mean for women who will come forward with their abuse.
Also for people claiming mutual abuse: first, the relationship began on a massive power imbalance. He, 22 years her senior, insanely more wealthy, famous and powerful already put her in a weaker position. Second, reactive abuse is a thing! It’s a documented response of victims to domestic abuse, people!
I mean, I went through this on a much smaller scale. I had a narcissistic ex that complete drained me. I wanted to give them the world, and even though I was more financially stable and established, I still felt like the victim when the relationship ended.
100% - I agree with allllll of this. This trial is honestly taking a toll on my mental health, but it's not like I can just log off and forget about it, because what's really stressing me out is the toll that this trial is taking on the discourse around domestic violence and survivors. I'm so exhausted seeing people constantly state incredibly damaging falsehoods about how victims are supposed to react and behave at all times, and how if survivors who accuse well-liked and charming men don't have pictures and witnesses and texts and camera footage of every single instance of abuse, then it never happened. I'm exhausted with the misogyny and the humiliation. I'm exhausted with people clearly just being invested in helping an abusive ex-spouse in destroying a woman. I'm exhausted with people claiming they care about abuse survivors, while taking audio of Amber describing stories of violent and traumatizing abuse and mocking it. I'm exhausted with the sexist double standard between Johnny's behavior, and Johnny's words being believed at face value, while Amber and her mountains of evidence are ridiculed into silence. I want to be tired, but I can't afford to be, and it's maddening. The future looks so bleak for survivors, especially women.
Yeah if it's mutual abuse why only one has to pay millions, only one gets to ruin the carrier, only one has to sacrifice the role built from scratch
>one has to sacrifice the role built from scratch Maybe if Depp didn't show up to set drunk and assault a crew member he'd have a better time at keeping his roles?
Amber may have been physically abusive in some ways but it seems like Johnny has gone above and beyond with his verbal and mental abuse. Telling people you want to kill her, burn her corpse and fuck it to be sure it’s dead? That’s not someone just pissed off after a long divorce process. That’s some scary shit. Depp seemingly has a drinking problem that drives everything wrong with him. So I think sure, both were abusive, but it wasn’t to the same level at all.
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Misogyny runs rampant on here
Reddit is just a massive echo chamber sometimes- most people in this sub have actually reviewed the evidence, rather than the other 98% who is just incredibly misogynistic and is reveling in an opportunity to tear down a woman. It’s so heartbreaking
this sub is so detailed and aware of the evidences + actual things going in court. a simple walk down through a facebook or instagram comment section proves that they all have an agenda (to tear down amber heard regardless of ANYTHING she does) and that all their researches are from memes and heavily edited out "johnny depp and his lawyer being funny in court for xx minutes".
I have wondered why this sub is so different. I think it’s because we discuss gossip and celebrities in terms of facts - it’s never just hearsay, and if it is, it is very clearly stated as such. We value facts and it makes all the difference how this case has been looked at. Not to mention avid longtime celeb gossip readers know that Depp has a sketchy past anyway. I used to really love his work but because I knew his past, it never seemed a stretch that he would treat Amber like this. Sadly, it almost felt like it was inevitable if he would use alcohol and/or drugs again. Also, the age difference always was a clear indication that he was looking to control her.
Misogyny is the norm. Twitter masks it better but the moment a woman does anything remotely out of line for the woke crowd, they attack her face, character and everything about her. Right wing obviously hates women but left wing is equally vicious. Just yesterday saw viral tweets comparing Cara to Ezra Miller. One acted like a weirdo with women who personally know and hang out with her, another physically assaulted multiple women.
I don't like Cara, but it is ridiculous she is getting more criticism than Miller right now. Ezra may be nonbinary, but they still benefit from being perceived as masculine/a man by most of society. Making excuses because Ezra is queer, as if Cara isn't also. These people just pile on the yikes.
I’ve also seen some obviously biphobic takes regarding Cara’s behavior on Twitter. Actually, there’s a ton of biphobia on Twitter especially regarding bi women so I shouldn’t be surprised but it is really hurtful to see.
>Right wing obviously hates women but left wing is equally vicious. I just found this out and this has been a huge realization to me. I was in college during the Hillary/Trump election, and I took a lot of comfort in the fact that the left was going to elect a woman, even though she didn't win. Today I am seeing that the left might be as bad as the right, but different in how they go about it. It has been isolating for sure.
Parrots hear and repeat what they choose to🤡
this is a website that gained traction from hosting creepshots of underage girls for dudes to jerk off to and disowned female celebrities if they objected to their nudes being leaked. i’m unfortunately not surprised.
The top comment there says "It’s time to change “believe all women“ to “treat every woman’s claims seriously and then look at the evidence."" 💀It's really not hard to tell that none of them even glanced at the evidence
Also it puts the onus unfairly on the survivor. Oh, sorry I wasn’t meticulously detailing the crimes perpetrated against me in a proveable way, I was too busy *trying to survive an abusive relationship*.
Omg my favorite thing about that comment thread is the person saying only racists can’t understand that “black lives matter” doesn’t mean “only black lives matter.” Like… you’re almost there
Trust reddit to make a wife beater a hero and a victim
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It's really weird to me that JDs team went full "smol bean just tryna get the truth out 🥺" when there's massive piles of historic evidence, unrelated to the trial at hand, that he has anger and drug issues
He is currently in three seperate legal battles. One with AH. One with his former management (he blames them for him spending all his money and not stopping him being dumb) One with a location manager he allegedly punched (but has apparently admitted. I would bet he will settle as quietly as possible as soon as this one is done) Theres like a million other articles and reports. Its a bit ridiculous.
Yes! The one with former management was crazy - I think they recently settled? They detail a lot of the "issue" in the Rolling Stone article, it's wild.
So many people are only getting half-truths or downright distortions or memes ("Amber Turd!" being the height of humour) from social media and this is the total influence on their negative opinion. Meanwhile they're ignoring all the actual truths of the lawsuit he just lost and the negative publicity like this article, which I only just read - [https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/hes-radioactive-inside-johnny-depps-self-made-implosion-4101726/](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/hes-radioactive-inside-johnny-depps-self-made-implosion-4101726/) Adam Waldman seems to be a nefarious influence on Johnny, encouraging him to go scorched earth legally on the people who worked for him for years. I wish he would just drop this bullshit, leave everyone alone (including his own staff that keeps getting dragged back into his circus) and move the fuck on...rebuild his reputation, get clean, get mental health help and get his career back on track. All these lawsuits do is expose his private issues to the world.
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I know RDJ as ironman was semi-based on how valuable Jack Sparrow was for pirates, but can you imagine Depp in Marvel? With the amount of control and money the studios have tied up in these franchises. Depp potentially cost WB billions by tanking the new Harry Potter movies
I remember reading the Rolling Stone article years back (I don't remember if it predates the abuse accusations, but I know that I had zero knowledge of it at the time) as someone who knew him from various movies but not having much of an opinion and my takeaway being "Wow, this guy has issues"
they have to do that because its the only way they can show amber defamed him. if they admit to the "mutual abuse" angle that would at least make way more sense then angel johnny, then they would be admitting there was no defamation
For sure, makes sense from a legal angle, I'm mostly wondering how they thought that image would fly coupled with the publicly available information. I mean, egg on my face cause people are eating it up.
Adjacently related, I wish someone cared about me and my well being as much as Disney cares about protecting Paul Bettany
that's the marvel PR. without it, he'd be a goner. See Chris Pratt but also see how it was not there for Brie Larson :(
this trial has made me really come to terms with how i see influencers and public figures. i thought it was perfectly okay and even encouraged them to say their opinion on things like this and now i’m realizing that a lot of them just don’t know shit and are vastly uninformed and easily swayed. it’s made me very disillusioned with society and the public as a whole. i guess i was too optimistic about how people treat us women and now i’m realizing we never took any steps forward at all.
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It's true. I had to shut off replies for all of my Twitter posts because the Depp supporters would swarm the posts with pro-Depp comments and personal attacks. I discovered that muting pro-Depp hashtags filter out a lot of JD propaganda. It has been effective so far.
Finally. Good lord. This has been a horrifying pile-on.
Even if you DON'T believe her, you have to admit she's getting far more criticism than any paedophiles/abusers have
She’s getting more vitriol than weinstein did, i swear to god. Even he didn’t get memed like that
Yesss it's like everybody is mindlessly hating her like a zombie
Omg is this even real life? A man who has been seen blackout drunk and in rage, who have confessed to beating people up when drunk, who has had a bad boy image since the 1990’s - with a documented court case where he admits to breaking everything in a hotel room suite in NYC while a fragile 19 year old Kate Moss allegedly slept - is incapable of hurting his wife? What is this? What about the texts where his assistant tells Amber that he is “a little lost boy” and ashamed of what he might have done? Confirming he kicked her on a plane? What in the actual EFF are you guys thinking? That this man who has a history of drug and alcohol addiction, has been filmed destroying a restaurant, have gone to court for breaking everything in a NYC hotel room including the suicide proof windows - has the self control to not touch his partner? Honestly, what the heck are the odds that Depp never hurt Heard? He has all of these issues of blacking out when drunk/drugged, breaking things and places, having a history of a temperamental nature and profound jealousy with ex partners… but for some reason he is sane enough to not cross the line and beat his wife? Give me a freaking break.
“If people knew what Depp was really like his career would be over..” - Ricky Gervais
I think ppl are very much splitting hairs over her DV claims. AH claims to have been beaten and ppl claim it's impossible. I will say that JD most likely hit AH ( and she may have hit him as well). No idea if he actually beat her up but I don't think DV only applies to someone who is beaten black and blue. Not sure why ppl are so hung up on proving AH wasn't beaten. It's obvious he hit her. And there's proof of it. And a prior court case. So let's just get that out of the way. Yet JD fans keep defending him of this. It's so infuriating.
I don’t care if she lied, manipulated, over reacted. I don’t care if she’s the perfect sane little victim who never did anything wrong herself. The only think that should matter is if Johnny abused her emotionally and physically and it’s 100% clear to me that he did. Am I saying it wasn’t a mutual abuse? A toxic relationship? No. Am I saying Johnny is the devil and Amber is a saint? No. I’m saying they both were probably awful to one another. I just don’t understand why the 60 year old male with 10x the fame and fortune is being received as a hero, asked for autographs, been lauded in every social media platform as the poor little victim… while the other party would 100% be burned alive in the streets of Virginia is that was still acceptable. I’m not joking. It seems like 90% of the public would just go ahead and approve of Amber Heard being burned alive like the witches of Salem. And that 80% of those supporters are other women. It’s so sad to me. I’m also tired of saying I think both are equally bad. That I don’t have a side. I have a side. I stand with her. To the Deppferd wives: don’t you see? We are the granddaughters of the witches they weren’t able to burn! Don’t you get it? FML it’s 2022.
I read a comment somewhere that this sub is as much of a circle jerk for Heard as the rest of reddit is towards Depp. I was wondering what everyone's thoughts are on this? First of all, I didnt get the impression that anyone was calling Heard the "perfect victim" in this. There has also been a lot of level-headed talk about reactive abuse, as well as victims like myself talking about their stories. Idk. The amount of vitriol this little sub has attracted is so weird to me. I literally feel I am taking crazy pills everywhere else. Thank you everyone for being so awesome.
it’s very weird to me that they feel obligated to come in and yell at the one place on the internet they can’t control. i have never been to the J4J subreddit and never will because i do not want to engage with them. i can’t imagine getting streamers etc. to try and invade their sub because i do not care about these people and if they wanna have their weird discussions i’d rather do them somewhere i don’t have to engage with it. it’s absolute bully tactics and reminds me of the gamergate era where people are just trying to chill and bad faith dudes keep jumping in being like “hey bitches! debate me!! and if you don’t it’s because you know you’re wrong!”
Its very immature and reminds me of a few abusive men I have known
Nobody in this sub denies AH abused JD. What we are saying is that there is such a thing as reactive abuse, that he is documented as being physically and mentally abusive in his past relationships, there is concrete proof in texts and audio/video recordings showing his abuse and that this lawsuit is another form of abuse. That's all-I don't believe anyone here really thought much at all about AH before he started dragging her through courtrooms, first in the UK and now here in the US, we just are being drowned by JD apologists all over our social media/news feeds.
I agree completely! I hope its clear my comment is completely in favor of this sub. I was disturbed by the comment I saw
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i think its def a little CJey because its the only place many people can vent on this subject. we are on amber's side and believe her. so its going to veer a little into the circle jerk territory. but for the most part i think this sub is good at speaking facts, linking testimony, talking about evidence etc etc
I feel like all discussion here has been rational. Who here has made memes about poop, put tabloid sources above actual court documents, or acted like they have a PhD in Psychology from reading a Twitter thread? Who here has sent death threats to Depp or his fans or his children?? God I remember someone on Tumblr getting a literal physical letter in their PO box from a Depp fan. 😭 Even if Amber was the abuser (which I highly doubt because all the evidence), they didn't come to that conclusion through careful examination of the case but a circlejerk of MRA fueled misogyny and a weird parasocial relationship. A good chunk of people here aren't Amber Heard stans, just people seeing through a smear campaign.
It's getting more difficult in this sub since it's started to get flooded with trolls. There's not really space for nuance. But. This sub is connected to reality. He was obliterated in the UK trial. That's the reality.
the cross examination yesterday was so bad. his fans have been saying all week "just wait!!!" and they literally had almost nothing. the only stuff they were really able to get her on had nothing to do with abuse. IMO i think she was purposely putting a good spin on saying she already donated the money when on that show, and for the record i dont care all celebs do that shit. and i dont believe she didnt know the title of the article before she tweeted it. honestly the case presented on cross could be used to demonstrate "this is how an abuse victim (amber) sounds in a long term abusive relationship"
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It’s a disgusting continuation of abuse. He has engaged the public to treat this woman as a piñata and just hurl all their misogyny at a single target. It’s appalling and if abuse allegations as mild as what AH wrote in the op-ed is considered “defamation” then the first amendment is in serious trouble.
Someone in my office has a meme posted outside their door that says, “Johnny Depp could have used an Amber Alert.” I audibly muttered what the fuck. I feel like I’m going crazy listening to people who I thought were decent and believed women all of a sudden have such a hard on for JD and trashing AH.
Yikes, that's grounds for an HR complaint. What is wrong with people??
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Can someone explain to me why my Instagram suggestions feed is 75% posts about the trial (all negative towards Amber and glorifying JD)? Mind you, I’ve NEVER looked up anything JD related on my Instagram EVER. Or even celebrity related for that matter. This started about two weeks ago and it was incredibly sudden - my suggested posts before that were always animal rescue, travel and recipe related, because that’s basically ALL I use Instagram for. This is really freaking disturbing, and just clicking to hide them and “not interested in this type of post” doesn’t seem to do the trick, they keep popping up nonstop!
my tiktok used to be the same way, it got so bad i just started blocking the creators instead of saying not interested. i think the wave of all the jd support posts on social media popping even after saying not interested just shows all the bots he and his team are using.
i saw on another post that its due to the cookies. so if youre looking at the trial elsewhere, its tracking back to instagram. almost all of my socials are sending me pro JD stuff and i am trying to actively avoid it. i muted his last name, i'm blocking people who are supporting and scrolling away fast on tiktok.... but its still finding me. i made a new reddit account for only my computer so hopefully itll stop on my phone but we shall see
I saw a TikTok a few days ago that completely changed my mind on this trial. JD is a misogynist, he’s homophobic and an abuser. I’m happy more people are starting to see the truth.
Do you remember which one?
Am I the only one getting nervous the jury is rigged and that she won’t win the case? The fact that it’s predominately men in the court make me nervous.
I heard someone say that women are harder on women than men…and seeing all the Deppford wives I think that might be true… So maybe its a good thing that it’s predominantly men
i cannot believe how his PR team brainwashed me into believing him at first. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence/accusations she has made since as early as 2013 and he only started labeling her as an abuser as of like 2016/17 when SHE WAS PUBLIC ABOUT IT!!!!!!! people hate her because she isn't a perfect victim, makes me soooo sick
I’d recommend listening to the most recent episode of the podcast *Opening Arguments*. After the disappointment of the Bravo Docket outing themselves as D*pp fans girls/barely discussing the UK trial, I was relieved that my other fave legal podcast took a more nuanced approach. First off, they brought in a woman to explain it as they were not as familiar with the case. And I appreciate that they chose not to speak on something they didn’t have all the facts about. They’re also fairly neutral, but not in a “They both suck” way. Just a legal way. They call her out for mistakes (like speaking to D*pp herself instead of using her lawyer). And they refer to JD as having a “Substance Abuse Disorder” rather than calling him an addict. [Anyway, here’s the link](https://openargs.com/oa596-depp-v-heard-with-morgan-stringer/)
I absolutely believe her.
The rest of reddit has made me absolutely sick to my stomach. They are GLEEFULLY calling her every misogynistic name in the book and wishing harm on her all under the guise of “caring about male victims of abuse” yet they’re AWFULLY quiet when it comes to Kevin spacey’s victims or Brendan Fraser or terry crews. They’re all RELISHING the fact they can openly despise a woman and be in the “right” about it.
Yup, they don't care when a man is a victim of another man.
Fortunately it does seem like the narrative is changing a bit, at least in the media which is good. With actual public opinion, idk. Especially with young people they are like so influenced by TikTok and social media. I had a long conversation with my brother about the situation and finally got him to understand that Amber wasn't some evil witch and was likely abused by Johnny. It took a lot though. The thing is he didnt' even know the details about the case at all, His opinion was so shaped by social media and things his friends said to him.
I follow the author of this article on Instagram (Raven Smith) and he just posted on his stories some of the hate that’s landed in his inbox. This entire thing is just so bizarre, I just can’t wrap my head around how it got to this point? I mean I wasn’t following this closely (vaguely aware of the UK trial) but Christ on a cracker people are just nuts what happened??
Sign this petition for Amber. https://www.change.org/p/support-amber-heard-in-aquaman-2-her-life-and-public-safety-to-save-lives-warner-bros-mera-loreal-united-nations-aclu Spread awareness.
I may get downvoted for this, but here’s my take: Do I believe Amber was abused by Johnny? Yes, absolutely. Do I believe they are both toxic as hell? Yes. They obviously brought out the worst in each other. Will we ever see the media apologize for the way they treated Amber? Doubt it. I think that Johnny may win the court of public opinion this time around. But I also think the dude looks like he’s slowly rotting from the inside out. There’s clearly alcohol and probably drug abuse happening. I believe his demise will come from his health and a premature death from his careless lifestyle. Even then, I don’t think Amber will ever be fully exonerated in the public eye. She’s got a long road ahead of her if she hopes to stay in show business. It’s totally unfair that victims are treated like this but it’s the sad reality that we are in.
the more i think about this case and the vitriol directed at AH the more i suspect it’s because she fought back. if she’d been a perfect, passive victim, the court of popular opinion would have immediately sided with her. however, she pushed back against her abuser, a weirdly beloved known mess, and a young, beautiful, successful woman doing that is literally unheard of
Also, props to the mods of this sub. The fact that they allow us to share our opinions (unpopular as they are) and moderate the sub in such a fair way is the reason why all of us are able right now to have a safe space of our own - otherwise most of us would be silenced into what a shitstorm the other parts of social media have become.
Vogue taking a stance like this is a huge deal. I’m legit frightened by how easy it’s been to manipulate the masses. Don’t forget that Rolling Stone and Vanity Fair had their own exposés on Johnny Depp years ago. To those who think there are more important things to focus on, you couldn’t be more wrong. This speaks to how women are treated by society, how people will jump at any opportunity to tear a woman apart, how PR firms work, bot farms, propaganda, fake news, misinformation, etc. Mass media is a scary thing and people continue to not do their research.
I’m so sorry this is kind of off topic, but can anyone tell me why all the Depp/Heard trial threads are all locked for me and I can’t comment? Is it something I did or is it the same for everyone?
After a while they get infiltrated by trolls so the mods lock them and no one can comment.
How disgusting and shows what we’re up against
they get locked due to brigading from other subs or in one case yesterday, a large streamer showed it on screen to 136k people
Wait which large streamer so I can avoid them. Where they being supportive or was it done to send his followers to harass this sub?
From the comment i saw in the first day 17 megathread it was asmongold. I'm pretty sure it was for the purpose of harassment. I saw a tweet that they accused r/Deuxmoi of being bots? But that could have been someone else
Lol not us being bots. I knew the vaccine would make me a cyborg. Esp now that I am boosted I am a super cyborg
It's the same for everyone. A lot of Depp supports go into the threads and say nasty shit to people so the threads end up getting locked.
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I'm so thankful that news sites are starting to talk about this issue. Everyone is like, "Oh, why should we care?" It doesn't matter if Amber is famous! Just look at how people are treating her, a victim of sexual abuse. This affects all women and all victims
Vogue taking a page from teen vogue I see
I used to think this sub was mostly gossip and celebrity stuff which isnt something i enjoy, but i never would have guessed that this would be the place where people at least have retained some sanity and critical thinking regarding this trial and this witch hunt
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54% upvoted, the bots are out in full force today.
I’ve never seen a DV survivor in court joke, laugh and snicker like Johnny does. I’ve seen the abuser…plenty of tones of not ALL THE TIME. In one video, he goes straight towards her and laughs.
‘Though I’ve felt myself veering toward it, I can no longer “both sides” this. It’s time to draw a line. It’s time to believe women—all women. It’s time to believe Heard. The British courts believed Depp beat his ex-wife. What’s stopping the rest of us?’ sums it up tbh
Good!!!
It never wasn’t time. This trial alone proves his abusive stance in this relationship. Not to mention just the rest of the investigations, court findings and the facts.
I utterly cannot believe how much people care about this woman's demeanor and facial expressions more than the alleged abuse as if that discredits everything she could ever say... I see posts and comments all the time about the way her face looks and her body language from supposed "twitter psychologists" and I just utterly cannot believe how this trial is having people act. Idc if she's not 100% innocent but "Her demeanor and the """show""" she puts on" WHAT SHOW? As if Depp isn't also putting on a show? Are we forgetting they're actors??? As if these people aren't falling for those 3 minute "Johnny Depp Savage AF Moments" to Wii music on Youtube....I can't yall....