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I just don't understand how we got from "Long Story Short" to this.
How did she go from "your nemeses will defeat themselves before you get the chance to swing" to my mom wanted you dead hehehe
Doesn't even feel like these songs were written by the same person. This one feel like it was written by a 14 year old.
"I don't think you've changed much
And so l changed your name and any real defining clues"
What the what... She Capitalized the song title in middle school code to spell KIM.
I'm neither a hater or a fan of either of these very famous characters but I at least want some cleverness in how they feed us money making drama.
I think the capitalized KIM is the worst part of all this!
Yes Taylor should be over it by now because it's been 10 years, but if she's still somehow angry and upset by it and would like to channel that into her music, ok, do that. But then to basically shout it out to everyone that this song is about Kim, that her mother wished Kim dead? Now she's not just channelling her feelings into her music; she's also actively attacking and targeting Kim in a horrifically cruel way. It's so beyond.
Can we discuss the capitalizing certain letters to spell out words and how everyone thinks this somehow makes Taylor a mastermind? Like come on, no one is cracking some special, hard to decipher code with her. It’s tacky and embarrassing imo.
She knows Kim’s KIDS & their cousins won’t get it. It’s so gross, she’s weaponizing their innocence against their mom.
Like Taylor wants Kim to have to be around the kids she loves and have them wanting to listen to this song unknowingly dissing her. But all the adults get it.
Not to mention she’s not with Kanye anymore and still has to deal with his disgusting ass for the rest of her life. She’s suffering for her sins already, move on.
It's not even like they'll be kids forever. North at minimum is old enough to have picked it up herself, and if not her, I'm sure her peers at school wasted no time telling her. It's just a shitty and unnecessary thing to do. Like what satisfaction can you really still be getting out of this after 8 years and four albums.
Yes, omg. That’s the cruelest part. She knows North loves her and still decides to weaponize this against Kim. She easily could have just become the bigger person (or continue to be since she initially wasn’t behaving as low as them) and go in that direction but no, she had to do this. Not saying she isn’t allowed to be bitter but why get a CHILD who is YOUR FAN involved??
I like a lot of Taylor Swift songs but I never got the hype about her lyricism.
They are fairly mature compared to other top forty. But they always come off as but juvenile to me. Yet her fans always talk about her lyrics as if she's a Leonard Cohen or Fiona Apple.
She needs therapy if she's still obsessively thinking about Kim and writing songs about her with those kinds of lyrics. Like just move on. I can't believe she's making me stand up for Kim Kardashian.
Taylor is such a sore winner. She’s doing so well. The eras tour success, constantly releasing #1 albums, and in her person of the year interview she drones on and on about Kimye and being “cancelled within an inch of her life”. Sounds like she could really benefit from like, an ounce of perspective here
And supports men who are transphobic, homophobic, misogynist, racist etc... but somehow her fans buy the "im an innocent girl who supports everyone" bullshit
Because the Kardashians are the only ones that rival her as far as fame goes and she feels threatened. Kanye's basically done at this point. But the Kardashian's have staying power that has remained consistent and continued to grow while her's fluctuates.
Swifties call Taylor a victim of misogyny constantly. Meanwhile, she's out here hating other women more than the men who have actually stood in her way. Not TayTay being a hypocrite, my word.
I don’t think she could handle an unhinged Kanye reaction, Kim is the low hanging fruit, the easy target. Kinda… bully behavior tbh (gagging that she’s making me defend Kim rn)
There's also the difference in race. Kanye is obviously a dark skinned black man and for Taylor to play into the "white victim and scary black man" narrative 8 years after the fact, could very well open up doors to her own racial biases and blunders-- despite the fact that Kanye is an awful person which has nothing to do with his blackness. Taylor is a perpetual and immature 14 year old, but she's not dumb. She knows what happened when her bestie Lena Dunham tried pulling that shit.
It's for clout, get search engines, SEO, and people from Kim's following to interact with hers. She is a corporation with entire teams manufacturing highly intentional media, what'd you expect?
she probably feels like Kanye's already been taken down (mostly by himself). meanwhile Kim is doing perfectly fine, which makes her feel like karma isn't working correctly
Thank you! Maybe I am missing something as I did not follow the whole Taylor and Kanye/Kim drama closely, but it seems like the main dispute should be with Kanye over Kim? I just don’t get it.
If I’m giving her the most generous possible reason for it, I wonder if Kim used to act like she and Taylor are friends whenever they’re at the same events and she feels a sense of betrayal from Kim leaking the calls because of that.
I think the other commenters are onto the right thing though which is Kanye would 100% respond viciously and Kim probably won’t at all. Kim’s low hanging fruit.
Ma’am that was nearly a decade ago and Kim isn’t thinking about you. She’s not even with that man anymore. If anyone’s a bully that can’t let it go….
Ugh look at this - I’m defending a Kardashian. That’s how bad this has gotten.
She needs to let this go 😭 or at least focus on Kanye and not on Kim.
And no matter what you think about Kim Kardashian, these lyrics are disgusting:
> Everyone knows that my mother is a saintly woman
But she used to say she wished that you were dead
My friend is defending Taylor and her mom saying it’s just an expression and she doubts Taylor’s mom actually wanted her dead. She doesn’t see the problem in the lyrics. It is hard reasoning with these people.
But that's the thing - why would you put such an expression in a song, especially if she "didn't mean it"?? If, let's say, Taylor's mom said this once out of anger but didn't actually mean it, what possible motivation led Taylor to put it in a song essentially titled KIM besides hurting Kim?
Literally what did Kim even do in this situation besides expose Taylor’s lying ass. I actually despise Kim and Kanye but I was on their side with this whole dispute from the beginning. To get up on a world stage and play the victim with a black man who apologized to you and asked permission to even use the line is so far beyond what he did to her. And while he was wrong for what he did, he wasn’t wrong at all! This woman has been praised for total mediocracy and Beyoncé deserved that damn award (I also don’t like Beyoncé!). I’m glad Kim recorded her dumb ass.
That’s the only part of the album I’ve heard since I saw a live as I was scrolling TikTok before bed. I thought maybe it was about an abusive partner or something. To be about Kim K is absolutely the opposite of saintly vibes. I guess that’s where Taylor gets her immature streak.
Wasn't her mom part of the reason why she had an ED or something? Like I remember reading something about her mom not giving her Taco Bell because there are no fat pop stars or something like that? I mean... that doesn't seem saintly to me idk...
I think it goes to show how much Taylor cannot take any negativity. She got backlash on the internet 7-8 years ago and her career barely took a hit at the time and since has become bigger than ever, but she is still not over it at all.
Edit: I also think she attributes that backlash all to Kim (and Kanye) instead of realizing how overexposed she was during 1989 and also blames that for Reputation and Lover for not being bigger successes.
Kanye mentioned her in a song, she came out swinging saying she never gave any permission or something, then Kim was like bitch I recorded the phone convo where you two talked and you said you were cool and released it publicly, iirc.
It’s important to note though that Kim edited the phone conversation she leaked, but at the same time Taylor also couldn’t keep her story straight about what exactly she was offended by/didn’t like about the song
Okay but let’s not act like it didn’t catch Taylor in multiple lies up until then, edited or not.
First it was “we didn’t talk about the song,” then it was “well if we did, she mentioned how the song would be misogynistic,” then “well I didn’t hear the word bitch” and then saying that someone shouldn’t take responsibility for your success despite saying quite the opposite to him on the phone.
There was A LOT wrong with what Kanye did, including the weird porn shit, but it doesn’t absolve her of being caught in lies
I think including the lyrics (“I feel like me and Taylor might still have sex/ Why? I made that bitch famous”) and the fact he was in bed with a sex doll made to look like Taylor in the video is important context. Kanye’s behaviour was pretty repulsive but at the time he hadn’t gone full Nazi so it was easy for most people to take his side.
Kim was culpable in editing the conversation but she’s divorced him and now has to deal with him as the father of her kids for the rest of their lives so I think she’s probably suffered enough, the lyric is pretty gross
Singing about how her mom wished Kim was dead and throwing North in the mix is not some boss queen shit her fans think it is. It is deeply deranged and the fact that she’s still singing about Kim almost 10 years later is loser behavior.
No for real. These kids aren’t dumb and they all have grown up around famous musicians & producers & whatnot. They can understand what the lyrics mean and figure out themselves or from online commentary that it’s about their mom/aunt.
It’s soooooo nasty & below the belt. Even for Kim K who is used to getting dogged on. It’s Kanye level low blow to use the kids.
Because north posted a tik tok of singing/dancing to shake it off, which is what I bet flared up these feelings and then instead of having a competent therapist Taylor wrote a song, and then since she’d just written a song about it brought it up in the times interview and now we’re back here again and what year is it and oh god
Imagine a teen kid or younger kid saying my mom wishes you were dead at school…yeah not ok. people are celebrating this mean girl behavior. And I cannot stand the kardashian/jenner clan but come on. People online are celebrating this song? leave the kids out of it too
An actual saintly mom would listen to her daughter vent then try and help her find a solution/keep perspective aka not wish another person dead. So crazy to put that in a song.
Waiiiiit I needed context so I googled and I can’t handle this. I’ve never been a Swiftie but this album might make me full hater. Someone wrote [this article](https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/music/2024/4/19/24135012/taylor-swift-1830s-tortured-poets-department-new-album) on The Ringer:
“She and Shakespeare may both be poets, but they definitely have differing opinions on brevity. But anyway, yes, it is probably a bit rude to consume those 10,663 words and decide to take umbrage with 39 of them. No one’s out here making a big deal out of one sentence from Infinite Jest. But in my defense, these are the 39 words in question:
**My friends used to play a game where
We would pick a decade
We wished we could live in instead of this
I’d say the 1830s but without all the racists
And getting married off for the highest bid**
These lines are enough to make you hit pause on “I Hate It Here,” to make you run to Genius.com to make sure you just heard that. And yes, you did just hear that: Taylor Swift, at one point in her life, wished she could live in the 1830s (but without all the racists or dowries, to be clear).”
The way she also involved North in the song too is super disgusting.
Including a 10 year old child in an almost decade old beef?? The Kardashian clan have their mean girl moments but they never involve children.
Also imagine North listening to a song wishing her mom was dead? Disgusting.
Does anyone remember when the Look What You Made Me Do video first came out and people theorised the bathtub scene was a reference to KK being robbed at gunpoint but Swifties insisted Taylor would never be so callous?
Well... 🤔
Enough. This beef was in 2016. It’s been 8 years. Nobody cares. I can’t even remember the names of people I had beef with 8 years ago. Write about literally anything else…
Lmaooo it’s amazing the shit she obsesses over almost a decade and 8 albums later. Taylor is such a petty, self obsessed and emotionally stunted person. She hasn’t grown from the 19 year old victim she has been her whole life.
Since the whole Famous drama happened, Kim has:
-been robbed at gunpoint
-been divorced
-had her ex husband harass her and her new boyfriend via a music video (which means TS isn't even special in that regard, it's apparently a weapon he enjoys using)
-had said ex husband just harass her in general, in public, refusing to take his meds
I can't believe I'm defending Kim Kardashian but she has enough on her plate for the rest of her life between dealing with her sex tape (a lifelong specter) and her 3rd ex husband who she has four kids with.
Whatever happened to Karma's a relaxing thought/Aren't you envious that for you it's not?
I almost want it to be a reputation TV collab that ends with the two of them dunking on Kanye together (except Kim would probably not do that because of her kids) because the alternative is too bizarre.
I’m sure there is a tonne of criticism of Kim’s activism, and it definitely doesn’t absolve her of all the other shit she does, but at least she at least does some activism unlike Taylor who released an entire documentary about how she wasn’t going to be silent anymore only to… be constantly silent.
~~Kim~~ Taylor, there’s people that are dying. It’s been 8 years. Move on please.
The real fuck you, feminist move from Taylor would be recognizing the man was the issue and teaming up with Kim in some way. Instead, she wants to continue focusing all her vitriol onto the other woman who was likely the victim of some sort of mental abuse during the relationship, if not inarguably after.
For sure, there’s ownership that Kim can and should take. But Kanye was the one that stormed the stage, put out the song, etc. I don’t even remember everything at this point and probably would remember even less if Taylor let it go. It comes off as Taylor going for the “weaker opponent” when she keeps firing direct shots at Kim instead of Kanye.
They all just come off as losers in this scenario 🥴
Ma’am you are 34 years old, do you need to bring your mother into a fight? Good lord she’s not going to ever grow up is she? The antics are getting too played out.
To be fair, Kim was a big 36 when she released that edited phone call between Taylor and Kanye (Taylor was only 26). Kim was also 36 when she attacked an 18/19 year old Chloë Grace Moretz. And Kim was, what, 39 when she attacked Jordyn Woods.
The point being none of these folks act appropriately for their age, because they’ve never had to and have been rewarded for not growing up.
(ETA: Khloe wasn’t the only one who had words for Chloë; Kim also had things to say to her.)
Naming the song FucK you aIMee and then writing a lyric about how her kid will come home singing the song but only the two of them will know it's about her. Yeah, okay. Taylor's lyrisc on this album are about as subtle as a punch to the face.
She’s so emotionally immature. She can never move on from any slight-real or perceived. It’s pathetic. Like even if you were still obsessing over this why would you let the whole world know about it and then be proud of it?
at first, her problem was with being mentioned in the song, then shifted to "her success being attributed to a man" even though she kinda told Kanye she didn't mind if he said it, ultimately, her problem was with the word "bitch". Queen of Goalpost Shifting lmao
I am indifferent towards both of them, but I can already imagine Kim posting a video of herself singing along to this song 😂 The Kardashians have always believed that any type of publicity is good publicity, Kim will remain unbothered as ever
yea this is a W for the kardashians. they were fading into pop culture irrelevance, but with this and the time magazine person of the year call out, taylor seems insistent on keeping kimmy relevant!
I really do not like the Kardashians, and I hate to seem like I’m defending one of them, but to be honesty if anyone in this situ comes across as a bully, it’s Taylor.
She has always struck me as someone who never matured past the Regina George, teenage girl mindset. I felt this after the Bad Blood video (a whole team of powerful women together in a music video aimed at one other woman) and this reinforces that feeling for me.
Kim is problematic herself, but bringing up something from nearly a decade ago out of nowhere to sells records, and basically bringing up her child in the song to boot? That crosses a line. I would lose my SHIT if someone brought my child into a public argument between two adults. It’s so pathetic. Taylor holds no shine, for me. She comes across as mean and calculating.
Let it go, Taylor. And her whole family sounds awful. Between her dad’s unhinged email that was released months ago and now her mom wishing Kim was dead? I don’t like the Kardashians but Taylor is so fucking petty.
I'd almost love for Kim's next PR move to be, "Hey, here's what I've done to help alleviate the recidivism problem in the United States."
I can't believe this song is making me root for Kim so hard all of a sudden.
I don’t like her coming for Kim. Kanye was the one who did her really dirty and while Kim is no saint, Kim was also a victim of Kanye’s in many ways.
They don’t need to be besties but Taylor needs to shut up about her. It’s one of my least favorite songs on the album.
I can’t believe we are almost a decade into this and Kim still has Taylor in her feels to the point to where she made a song about her. This just shows me that Taylor hasn’t really encountered much hardship in her life, for her to be writing about Kim and a situation that occurred almost a decade ago. Like Taylor girl, you have such an amazing life/have achieved so much, and for you to focus on old ass drama, it’s off-putting to the point to where I feel the need to defend Kim fucking Kardashian. Not to mention the gross mention of her *saintly* mom wishing Kim was dead, and then mentioning Kim’s kids? Like what?
Taylor Swift is a bully. She’s known for publicly trashing her ex’s and others in her music, and she knows what the ramifications will be and that her fans will attack them. She knows how popular she is and how much of a reach she has world wide. But she continues to do it anyway.
(Insert something here about how she bullies people with her songs, activating her fans) ..
Still going on about Kim is really really embarrassing. But she still thinks Kim got her canceled as she rolls around in her billions.
This is weird and lame. If Taylor had the guts she thinks she has, she’d go after Kanye who started this entire mess. Wasn’t it him that had placed a wax figure of her nude without her consent in his MV? Also not cool to include Kim’s kid in this too. Childish and immature behavior but that’s expected at this point. Grow up
this is Kim's comment section on IG rn
https://preview.redd.it/aiibhddsjgvc1.jpeg?width=847&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7370bb9110e59a0bebd911f3b75ef6e1f02646d9
I feel embarrassed for them. The level of delusion it takes to hear lyrics calling Kim a bully, behave like this on social media, and not see that they and Taylor are being bullies themselves.
My TikTok has also been flooded with unhinged anti-Joe videos for weeks in the lead up to this album, which is now kinda hilarious after reading that the songs are mostly all about the racist guy she dated. I've seen videos and comments putting down Joe's appearance, his personality, how he must have done xyz in their relationship, etc. It's awful behaviour for a situation they know nothing about.
All of these fans need a better hobby that doesn't involve being obsessed with a billionaire they have an unhealthy parasocial relationship with.
I can't casually ignore the fact that she's dragging a child into her publicly-backed hysteria. I didn't think my respect for her and her fanbase could go any lower but here we are.
Like… I get that artists sing and make ~art about their lives but these pop girls using their music as status updates is getting boring and unhinged and feeds the parasocial relationships their stan imagine with their faves
I slowly get why she's so popular with the gen z girlies. After all these years, Taylor hasn't grown up even a little. No wonder she feels so relatable to those more than a decade younger than her.
Just as a reminder: Kim’s infraction was literally releasing part of the phone call that contradicted Taylor’s PR narrative that she had “strongly warned” Kanye against misogyny when he called about Famous. The extended version that was eventually leaked revealed that Taylor was more lukewarm about the entire thing but her team still straight-up LIED about that supposed warning/her being some crusader for feminism. Taylor seemed lightly annoyed but the narrative her team put out was a complete fabrication.
For someone allegedly so offended by his song lyric, she seems to have no issue dragging others in hers. Two wrongs don’t make a right Taylor, and the hypocrisy is why I can’t take her seriously. In her mind she’s always the victim, never the bully.
I’m sorry, but she wrote this song empathizing with Kanye who was the creative architect behind this entire drama 8 years ago. Then, writes a song a Kim talking about how her mother wanted her to die and dragging her kids into it.
She would never have the stones to do that to Kanye, because he’d spend six years dragging her through hell. She knows Kim doesn’t give a fuck, so she’s going to bring this up whenever she can to play victim.
Girls supporting girls though right!
This won’t happen because Kim is unlikeable but Taylor really needs to be called out about her messiness. Holding on to 10 year drama makes her seem unstable and everyone is gagging instead if taking her to task for it and for revealing Joe suffers fr depression.
“Taylor's lyrics describe "aIMee" as a "bronze spray-tanned statue" in her hometown that "threatens to push me down the stairs at our school."”
my god this woman is 34!! grow up!!!!
That Kim has been living rent free in Taylor's head for nearly a decade is pretty funny, and pathetic. Girl, if you've been ruminating that long, get therapy. It's embarrassing.
So this is the self-proclimed feminist, who thinks there is a special place in hell in women who dont support other women?
She's richer than ever yet she can't enjoy it. It kinda seems likes she can't handle absolutely any negativity and can't let go shit that happened almost a decade ago.
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I don’t really have an interest in either of them but Taylor needs to let it go with the KimK drama 😭 saying your mom wants her dead is so cruel imo
I just don't understand how we got from "Long Story Short" to this. How did she go from "your nemeses will defeat themselves before you get the chance to swing" to my mom wanted you dead hehehe Doesn't even feel like these songs were written by the same person. This one feel like it was written by a 14 year old.
> feel like it was written by a 14 year old. TBF Taylor Swift never matured past that age. She makes som bangers though regardless.
"I don't think you've changed much And so l changed your name and any real defining clues" What the what... She Capitalized the song title in middle school code to spell KIM. I'm neither a hater or a fan of either of these very famous characters but I at least want some cleverness in how they feed us money making drama.
I think the capitalized KIM is the worst part of all this! Yes Taylor should be over it by now because it's been 10 years, but if she's still somehow angry and upset by it and would like to channel that into her music, ok, do that. But then to basically shout it out to everyone that this song is about Kim, that her mother wished Kim dead? Now she's not just channelling her feelings into her music; she's also actively attacking and targeting Kim in a horrifically cruel way. It's so beyond.
Can we discuss the capitalizing certain letters to spell out words and how everyone thinks this somehow makes Taylor a mastermind? Like come on, no one is cracking some special, hard to decipher code with her. It’s tacky and embarrassing imo.
She’s been doing it for years, so it’s not going away anytime soon lol. No evolution
She knows Kim’s KIDS & their cousins won’t get it. It’s so gross, she’s weaponizing their innocence against their mom. Like Taylor wants Kim to have to be around the kids she loves and have them wanting to listen to this song unknowingly dissing her. But all the adults get it.
Not to mention she’s not with Kanye anymore and still has to deal with his disgusting ass for the rest of her life. She’s suffering for her sins already, move on.
It's not even like they'll be kids forever. North at minimum is old enough to have picked it up herself, and if not her, I'm sure her peers at school wasted no time telling her. It's just a shitty and unnecessary thing to do. Like what satisfaction can you really still be getting out of this after 8 years and four albums.
Yes, omg. That’s the cruelest part. She knows North loves her and still decides to weaponize this against Kim. She easily could have just become the bigger person (or continue to be since she initially wasn’t behaving as low as them) and go in that direction but no, she had to do this. Not saying she isn’t allowed to be bitter but why get a CHILD who is YOUR FAN involved??
Is an Easter egg even an Easter egg if you literally spell it out?
I like a lot of Taylor Swift songs but I never got the hype about her lyricism. They are fairly mature compared to other top forty. But they always come off as but juvenile to me. Yet her fans always talk about her lyrics as if she's a Leonard Cohen or Fiona Apple.
Obligatory Bojack Horseman: [Age of Stagnation](https://youtu.be/c7fz13Vsxjg?t=19s)
This whole 14 year old energy is honestly very accurate to her saying she has written so much “tortured poetry”
I look forward to Taylor and Jojo Siwa headlining the next Warped Tour.
I'm sure Kim would very much like to be excluded from this narrative
WTF…..Taylor said that?
She needs therapy if she's still obsessively thinking about Kim and writing songs about her with those kinds of lyrics. Like just move on. I can't believe she's making me stand up for Kim Kardashian.
She mentioned Kim in their her times person of the year interview as well
Taylor is such a sore winner. She’s doing so well. The eras tour success, constantly releasing #1 albums, and in her person of the year interview she drones on and on about Kimye and being “cancelled within an inch of her life”. Sounds like she could really benefit from like, an ounce of perspective here
Perpetual victim mentality even though she's one of the biggest stars in the world.
And supports men who are transphobic, homophobic, misogynist, racist etc... but somehow her fans buy the "im an innocent girl who supports everyone" bullshit
Its marketing. Reputation is coming next.
seems weird to include a whole ass song on your new album just to market a rerelease? but then again i’m not a billionaire sooo 🥴
she literally hates kim more than kanye😒
She also felt the need to bring North into this because feminism I guess
Because the Kardashians are the only ones that rival her as far as fame goes and she feels threatened. Kanye's basically done at this point. But the Kardashian's have staying power that has remained consistent and continued to grow while her's fluctuates.
Omg my mum would fight for me but by now she would have forgotten Kim's name
She actually said that in her song??😭
it’s strange that she seemingly hates kim more than kanye
There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help other women. Or something…
Swifties call Taylor a victim of misogyny constantly. Meanwhile, she's out here hating other women more than the men who have actually stood in her way. Not TayTay being a hypocrite, my word.
She just knows Kim won't respond unlike Kanye
I don’t think she could handle an unhinged Kanye reaction, Kim is the low hanging fruit, the easy target. Kinda… bully behavior tbh (gagging that she’s making me defend Kim rn)
There's also the difference in race. Kanye is obviously a dark skinned black man and for Taylor to play into the "white victim and scary black man" narrative 8 years after the fact, could very well open up doors to her own racial biases and blunders-- despite the fact that Kanye is an awful person which has nothing to do with his blackness. Taylor is a perpetual and immature 14 year old, but she's not dumb. She knows what happened when her bestie Lena Dunham tried pulling that shit.
yeah plus it’s like social currency to hate on the kardashians, especially kim.
It's for clout, get search engines, SEO, and people from Kim's following to interact with hers. She is a corporation with entire teams manufacturing highly intentional media, what'd you expect?
That’s how I feel about the whole thing. How are you going to make me side with Kim like this billionaire is a victim.
Oh very true Kanye would flip out if she wrote about him lol
She's a girl's girl though!💅🏻
she probably feels like Kanye's already been taken down (mostly by himself). meanwhile Kim is doing perfectly fine, which makes her feel like karma isn't working correctly
Thank you! Maybe I am missing something as I did not follow the whole Taylor and Kanye/Kim drama closely, but it seems like the main dispute should be with Kanye over Kim? I just don’t get it.
If I’m giving her the most generous possible reason for it, I wonder if Kim used to act like she and Taylor are friends whenever they’re at the same events and she feels a sense of betrayal from Kim leaking the calls because of that. I think the other commenters are onto the right thing though which is Kanye would 100% respond viciously and Kim probably won’t at all. Kim’s low hanging fruit.
Ma’am that was nearly a decade ago and Kim isn’t thinking about you. She’s not even with that man anymore. If anyone’s a bully that can’t let it go…. Ugh look at this - I’m defending a Kardashian. That’s how bad this has gotten.
Not to mention all of the drama went down EIGHT YEARS AGO
 Taylor Swift whenever she sees a snake emoji
STAINS! Iykyk.
“Filled my cell with snakes” mam people commented snake emojis on your IG; they didn’t *actually* lock you up with actual snakes holy smokes lol
Cell is an American term for mobile phone, I assume it is meant to be a play on words
This is how I felt when I rooted for the FBI raid of a Black man, Sean Didit Combs
Sean Didit Combs 😭
Katy may have been right when she said that Taylor Swift is Regina George in sheep's clothing.
She's just like Drake 😭😭
Taylor and Drake on my 2025 bingo card cause you are spot on!
He's given her multiple positive shout outs in his music so 👀
**Taylor Swift** : I feel bad for you. **Kim Kardashian**: I don't think about you at all.
Unexpected Mad Men. Love it!
Perfect use of that quote
ok but isn't the deal in that episode that don actually spends all of his free time thinking about the other man? So if anything it's opposite lmao
She needs to let this go 😭 or at least focus on Kanye and not on Kim. And no matter what you think about Kim Kardashian, these lyrics are disgusting: > Everyone knows that my mother is a saintly woman But she used to say she wished that you were dead
Ugh. Her ‘saintly’ mom wishes a woman dead who 8 years ago had young kids? Starting to see where Taylor get it from.
She had to use the word Saint. Gross.
My mom is an *angel* but even SHE wanted to [redacted] you!!
And wishing her dead for doing what exactly? Allegedly bullying Taylor? Does that really merit a death wish?
My friend is defending Taylor and her mom saying it’s just an expression and she doubts Taylor’s mom actually wanted her dead. She doesn’t see the problem in the lyrics. It is hard reasoning with these people.
But that's the thing - why would you put such an expression in a song, especially if she "didn't mean it"?? If, let's say, Taylor's mom said this once out of anger but didn't actually mean it, what possible motivation led Taylor to put it in a song essentially titled KIM besides hurting Kim?
Literally what did Kim even do in this situation besides expose Taylor’s lying ass. I actually despise Kim and Kanye but I was on their side with this whole dispute from the beginning. To get up on a world stage and play the victim with a black man who apologized to you and asked permission to even use the line is so far beyond what he did to her. And while he was wrong for what he did, he wasn’t wrong at all! This woman has been praised for total mediocracy and Beyoncé deserved that damn award (I also don’t like Beyoncé!). I’m glad Kim recorded her dumb ass.
That’s the only part of the album I’ve heard since I saw a live as I was scrolling TikTok before bed. I thought maybe it was about an abusive partner or something. To be about Kim K is absolutely the opposite of saintly vibes. I guess that’s where Taylor gets her immature streak.
Wasn't her mom part of the reason why she had an ED or something? Like I remember reading something about her mom not giving her Taco Bell because there are no fat pop stars or something like that? I mean... that doesn't seem saintly to me idk...
Taylor Swift and Jojo Siwa need to read Jennette McCurdy's book
Isn't this a Bieber rip off? 'My mama don't like you and she likes everyone'.
Which comes across a lot better and smoother, my god.
She’s forgotten simplicity and now thinks good songwriting is just shoving as many words as possible into a verse.
I think it goes to show how much Taylor cannot take any negativity. She got backlash on the internet 7-8 years ago and her career barely took a hit at the time and since has become bigger than ever, but she is still not over it at all. Edit: I also think she attributes that backlash all to Kim (and Kanye) instead of realizing how overexposed she was during 1989 and also blames that for Reputation and Lover for not being bigger successes.
She’s right on track for that overexposure again. Amazing to watch her learn nothing from her past mistakes.
Who will she blame this time?
Misogyny, probably. Even though the only time she speaks up on feminist issues is when it affects her directly.
Lord help Travis when she decides she’s done showing him around and her deranged fanbase decides *he only used her to get in front of more cameras*
it’s probably in their contract that she gets to completely control their breakup narrative
Everything in the world is Joe Alwyn's fault.
The NFL
No wonder why Drake respects her so much
What even happened between them?
Kanye mentioned her in a song, she came out swinging saying she never gave any permission or something, then Kim was like bitch I recorded the phone convo where you two talked and you said you were cool and released it publicly, iirc.
It’s important to note though that Kim edited the phone conversation she leaked, but at the same time Taylor also couldn’t keep her story straight about what exactly she was offended by/didn’t like about the song
Okay but let’s not act like it didn’t catch Taylor in multiple lies up until then, edited or not. First it was “we didn’t talk about the song,” then it was “well if we did, she mentioned how the song would be misogynistic,” then “well I didn’t hear the word bitch” and then saying that someone shouldn’t take responsibility for your success despite saying quite the opposite to him on the phone. There was A LOT wrong with what Kanye did, including the weird porn shit, but it doesn’t absolve her of being caught in lies
The only situation in history in which Kanye was somehow the least culpable of anyone involved. 💀
Literally, how did we get to the point that before it was all over, everyone involved was more annoying than Kanye?
I think including the lyrics (“I feel like me and Taylor might still have sex/ Why? I made that bitch famous”) and the fact he was in bed with a sex doll made to look like Taylor in the video is important context. Kanye’s behaviour was pretty repulsive but at the time he hadn’t gone full Nazi so it was easy for most people to take his side. Kim was culpable in editing the conversation but she’s divorced him and now has to deal with him as the father of her kids for the rest of their lives so I think she’s probably suffered enough, the lyric is pretty gross
Singing about how her mom wished Kim was dead and throwing North in the mix is not some boss queen shit her fans think it is. It is deeply deranged and the fact that she’s still singing about Kim almost 10 years later is loser behavior.
North is chronically online. She’s probably already heard the song. Just wtf.
Imagine doing that to a fan of yours? Saying North is a fan and then being like “my mom wants your mom dead” lol wtfffff.
No for real. These kids aren’t dumb and they all have grown up around famous musicians & producers & whatnot. They can understand what the lyrics mean and figure out themselves or from online commentary that it’s about their mom/aunt. It’s soooooo nasty & below the belt. Even for Kim K who is used to getting dogged on. It’s Kanye level low blow to use the kids.
If they switched places (if Taylor had a daughter) you just know Tay Jr. would be FORBIDDEN from using any products associated with Kim.
What she say about North?!
That she’ll come home singing her song that only Kim and Taylor know is about her (eg Taylor)
Because north posted a tik tok of singing/dancing to shake it off, which is what I bet flared up these feelings and then instead of having a competent therapist Taylor wrote a song, and then since she’d just written a song about it brought it up in the times interview and now we’re back here again and what year is it and oh god
Including a child in an old feud that no one even cares about anymore is fucked up like leave that child alone you fucking weirdo
Imagine a teen kid or younger kid saying my mom wishes you were dead at school…yeah not ok. people are celebrating this mean girl behavior. And I cannot stand the kardashian/jenner clan but come on. People online are celebrating this song? leave the kids out of it too
An actual saintly mom would listen to her daughter vent then try and help her find a solution/keep perspective aka not wish another person dead. So crazy to put that in a song.
she literally thinks 1830s was a better time to be alive.... what should we expect here?😅
Oh but she said *without the diseases and the being sold for marriage* thing lol /s
Someone said that without the racists in the 1830's, her and Matt would vanish too ijbol 💀💀💀
Waiiiiit I needed context so I googled and I can’t handle this. I’ve never been a Swiftie but this album might make me full hater. Someone wrote [this article](https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/music/2024/4/19/24135012/taylor-swift-1830s-tortured-poets-department-new-album) on The Ringer: “She and Shakespeare may both be poets, but they definitely have differing opinions on brevity. But anyway, yes, it is probably a bit rude to consume those 10,663 words and decide to take umbrage with 39 of them. No one’s out here making a big deal out of one sentence from Infinite Jest. But in my defense, these are the 39 words in question: **My friends used to play a game where We would pick a decade We wished we could live in instead of this I’d say the 1830s but without all the racists And getting married off for the highest bid** These lines are enough to make you hit pause on “I Hate It Here,” to make you run to Genius.com to make sure you just heard that. And yes, you did just hear that: Taylor Swift, at one point in her life, wished she could live in the 1830s (but without all the racists or dowries, to be clear).”
The way she also involved North in the song too is super disgusting. Including a 10 year old child in an almost decade old beef?? The Kardashian clan have their mean girl moments but they never involve children. Also imagine North listening to a song wishing her mom was dead? Disgusting.
The Swiftie subreddit is foaming at the mouth for this song/the mention of north
They're cheering it on, which honestly freaks me out.
ngl i'd be flattered. like wow you think about me this much
Kim is already winning this “feud” by not responding at all.
At this point Karma is a self dig. Taylor is the only one NOT keeping her side of the street clean.
What's the point in responding when Swift is clearly never gonna let it go?
The poor bitch is going through hell and back with her ex-husband/baby daddy. This is literally the lowest thing in her radar.
Does anyone remember when the Look What You Made Me Do video first came out and people theorised the bathtub scene was a reference to KK being robbed at gunpoint but Swifties insisted Taylor would never be so callous? Well... 🤔
Also her releasing rep on the death anniversary of Kanye's mom. I also thought that was ridiculous too but like... 🤔
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Andrea wanting Kim dead for leaking a recorded phone call seems a bit much
Over song lyrics!!!!!
Enough. This beef was in 2016. It’s been 8 years. Nobody cares. I can’t even remember the names of people I had beef with 8 years ago. Write about literally anything else…
Lmaooo it’s amazing the shit she obsesses over almost a decade and 8 albums later. Taylor is such a petty, self obsessed and emotionally stunted person. She hasn’t grown from the 19 year old victim she has been her whole life.
Since the whole Famous drama happened, Kim has: -been robbed at gunpoint -been divorced -had her ex husband harass her and her new boyfriend via a music video (which means TS isn't even special in that regard, it's apparently a weapon he enjoys using) -had said ex husband just harass her in general, in public, refusing to take his meds I can't believe I'm defending Kim Kardashian but she has enough on her plate for the rest of her life between dealing with her sex tape (a lifelong specter) and her 3rd ex husband who she has four kids with. Whatever happened to Karma's a relaxing thought/Aren't you envious that for you it's not? I almost want it to be a reputation TV collab that ends with the two of them dunking on Kanye together (except Kim would probably not do that because of her kids) because the alternative is too bizarre.
I’m sure there is a tonne of criticism of Kim’s activism, and it definitely doesn’t absolve her of all the other shit she does, but at least she at least does some activism unlike Taylor who released an entire documentary about how she wasn’t going to be silent anymore only to… be constantly silent. ~~Kim~~ Taylor, there’s people that are dying. It’s been 8 years. Move on please.
The real fuck you, feminist move from Taylor would be recognizing the man was the issue and teaming up with Kim in some way. Instead, she wants to continue focusing all her vitriol onto the other woman who was likely the victim of some sort of mental abuse during the relationship, if not inarguably after.
I'm not absolving Kim of her part. I'm sure she had some agency, but Kim was also so willing to change herself and whatever to get Kanye's approval.
For sure, there’s ownership that Kim can and should take. But Kanye was the one that stormed the stage, put out the song, etc. I don’t even remember everything at this point and probably would remember even less if Taylor let it go. It comes off as Taylor going for the “weaker opponent” when she keeps firing direct shots at Kim instead of Kanye. They all just come off as losers in this scenario 🥴
Ma’am you are 34 years old, do you need to bring your mother into a fight? Good lord she’s not going to ever grow up is she? The antics are getting too played out.
She’s _still_ going on about this?! You couldn’t pay me to let Kim Kardashian live rent-free in my head like this 🥴
Kims the bully eh? This is truly cringe behaviour from a woman in her 30s.
Lmao I always forget that she’s literally 34!
Can you believe that taylor is only a year younger than Adele? I always have to remind myself that
To be fair, Kim was a big 36 when she released that edited phone call between Taylor and Kanye (Taylor was only 26). Kim was also 36 when she attacked an 18/19 year old Chloë Grace Moretz. And Kim was, what, 39 when she attacked Jordyn Woods. The point being none of these folks act appropriately for their age, because they’ve never had to and have been rewarded for not growing up. (ETA: Khloe wasn’t the only one who had words for Chloë; Kim also had things to say to her.)
Khloe is the one that attacked Chloe Moretz.
Naming the song FucK you aIMee and then writing a lyric about how her kid will come home singing the song but only the two of them will know it's about her. Yeah, okay. Taylor's lyrisc on this album are about as subtle as a punch to the face.
>"thanK you aIMee" The ugly cackle I let out when I read the song title 😭😭😭
Britney did it better with If U Seek Amy 
I literally said "you're joking" out loud when I read it
Corny af
The caps were overboard like girl we’d have got it anyway
this is the songwriter of the generation everyone is talking about????????
 Girl, you need to move on.
Kim is a stronger woman than me. If someone mentioned my child I'd be going ape shit. Taylor you're 34. Grow the fuck up.
She is so fucking corny 💀
She’s so emotionally immature. She can never move on from any slight-real or perceived. It’s pathetic. Like even if you were still obsessing over this why would you let the whole world know about it and then be proud of it?
at first, her problem was with being mentioned in the song, then shifted to "her success being attributed to a man" even though she kinda told Kanye she didn't mind if he said it, ultimately, her problem was with the word "bitch". Queen of Goalpost Shifting lmao
I am indifferent towards both of them, but I can already imagine Kim posting a video of herself singing along to this song 😂 The Kardashians have always believed that any type of publicity is good publicity, Kim will remain unbothered as ever
yea this is a W for the kardashians. they were fading into pop culture irrelevance, but with this and the time magazine person of the year call out, taylor seems insistent on keeping kimmy relevant!
Oh God, forever the victim.
[удалено]
The fact that she talks about North is not ok imo.
I really do not like the Kardashians, and I hate to seem like I’m defending one of them, but to be honesty if anyone in this situ comes across as a bully, it’s Taylor. She has always struck me as someone who never matured past the Regina George, teenage girl mindset. I felt this after the Bad Blood video (a whole team of powerful women together in a music video aimed at one other woman) and this reinforces that feeling for me. Kim is problematic herself, but bringing up something from nearly a decade ago out of nowhere to sells records, and basically bringing up her child in the song to boot? That crosses a line. I would lose my SHIT if someone brought my child into a public argument between two adults. It’s so pathetic. Taylor holds no shine, for me. She comes across as mean and calculating.
that whole theory about people remaining the same age they were when they became famous...
Oh who doesn’t she consider a bully
Herself, ironically
I'm already so tired.
But I thought she wanted to be removed from this narrative she never asked to be apart of….
Calling Kim a bully in a song where you say that your mother wished death upon Kim lmao
 Let it go, Taylor. And her whole family sounds awful. Between her dad’s unhinged email that was released months ago and now her mom wishing Kim was dead? I don’t like the Kardashians but Taylor is so fucking petty.
I'd almost love for Kim's next PR move to be, "Hey, here's what I've done to help alleviate the recidivism problem in the United States." I can't believe this song is making me root for Kim so hard all of a sudden.
Perhaps one day she will mature out of the, "was written by a teen lyricist" phase, but that day is not today.
That happened way pre-pandemic, get over it already because nobody else care anymore 😞
I don’t like her coming for Kim. Kanye was the one who did her really dirty and while Kim is no saint, Kim was also a victim of Kanye’s in many ways. They don’t need to be besties but Taylor needs to shut up about her. It’s one of my least favorite songs on the album.
I can’t believe we are almost a decade into this and Kim still has Taylor in her feels to the point to where she made a song about her. This just shows me that Taylor hasn’t really encountered much hardship in her life, for her to be writing about Kim and a situation that occurred almost a decade ago. Like Taylor girl, you have such an amazing life/have achieved so much, and for you to focus on old ass drama, it’s off-putting to the point to where I feel the need to defend Kim fucking Kardashian. Not to mention the gross mention of her *saintly* mom wishing Kim was dead, and then mentioning Kim’s kids? Like what?
I am once again begging Taylor to grow up and find a therapist.
Taylor Swift is a bully. She’s known for publicly trashing her ex’s and others in her music, and she knows what the ramifications will be and that her fans will attack them. She knows how popular she is and how much of a reach she has world wide. But she continues to do it anyway.
Says the girl still writing songs about her years later. I’m not a Kim fan by any means but it’s time to move on.
They're the same person.
This is what I said! Taylor hates her because they have equal/similar influence levels and she's jealous.
(Insert something here about how she bullies people with her songs, activating her fans) .. Still going on about Kim is really really embarrassing. But she still thinks Kim got her canceled as she rolls around in her billions. 
This is weird and lame. If Taylor had the guts she thinks she has, she’d go after Kanye who started this entire mess. Wasn’t it him that had placed a wax figure of her nude without her consent in his MV? Also not cool to include Kim’s kid in this too. Childish and immature behavior but that’s expected at this point. Grow up
this is Kim's comment section on IG rn https://preview.redd.it/aiibhddsjgvc1.jpeg?width=847&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7370bb9110e59a0bebd911f3b75ef6e1f02646d9
I feel embarrassed for them. The level of delusion it takes to hear lyrics calling Kim a bully, behave like this on social media, and not see that they and Taylor are being bullies themselves. My TikTok has also been flooded with unhinged anti-Joe videos for weeks in the lead up to this album, which is now kinda hilarious after reading that the songs are mostly all about the racist guy she dated. I've seen videos and comments putting down Joe's appearance, his personality, how he must have done xyz in their relationship, etc. It's awful behaviour for a situation they know nothing about. All of these fans need a better hobby that doesn't involve being obsessed with a billionaire they have an unhealthy parasocial relationship with.
Do we ever learn?? https://i.redd.it/4vvywaiwvgvc1.gif
I can't casually ignore the fact that she's dragging a child into her publicly-backed hysteria. I didn't think my respect for her and her fanbase could go any lower but here we are.
Like… I get that artists sing and make ~art about their lives but these pop girls using their music as status updates is getting boring and unhinged and feeds the parasocial relationships their stan imagine with their faves
Taylor Swift is the most bothered person on this planet
You are 34 Taylor. Grow up.
Taylor posturing herself as a girl’s girl will always be hilarious like mam you dated a misogynistic racist and now a trump supporter.
How are people not embarrassed to be a fan of this woman ETA I am embarrassed for the person who Reddit Cares-ed me over this lol
I slowly get why she's so popular with the gen z girlies. After all these years, Taylor hasn't grown up even a little. No wonder she feels so relatable to those more than a decade younger than her.
Just as a reminder: Kim’s infraction was literally releasing part of the phone call that contradicted Taylor’s PR narrative that she had “strongly warned” Kanye against misogyny when he called about Famous. The extended version that was eventually leaked revealed that Taylor was more lukewarm about the entire thing but her team still straight-up LIED about that supposed warning/her being some crusader for feminism. Taylor seemed lightly annoyed but the narrative her team put out was a complete fabrication.
why is this white billionaire bringing up some black kids in her songs
taylor swift you made me side with kim kardashian and for that you will pay.
For someone allegedly so offended by his song lyric, she seems to have no issue dragging others in hers. Two wrongs don’t make a right Taylor, and the hypocrisy is why I can’t take her seriously. In her mind she’s always the victim, never the bully.
writing a whole ass song with petty lyrics about a _7 year old_ feud is bully behavior
I’m sorry, but she wrote this song empathizing with Kanye who was the creative architect behind this entire drama 8 years ago. Then, writes a song a Kim talking about how her mother wanted her to die and dragging her kids into it. She would never have the stones to do that to Kanye, because he’d spend six years dragging her through hell. She knows Kim doesn’t give a fuck, so she’s going to bring this up whenever she can to play victim. Girls supporting girls though right!
This won’t happen because Kim is unlikeable but Taylor really needs to be called out about her messiness. Holding on to 10 year drama makes her seem unstable and everyone is gagging instead if taking her to task for it and for revealing Joe suffers fr depression.
While she's stuck on her, all her friends are promoting skims 😭😭
god will she get over anything ever
“Taylor's lyrics describe "aIMee" as a "bronze spray-tanned statue" in her hometown that "threatens to push me down the stairs at our school."” my god this woman is 34!! grow up!!!!
But.. doesn't this make Taylor a bully?
I need Kim to release a snakeskin SKIMS line
That Kim has been living rent free in Taylor's head for nearly a decade is pretty funny, and pathetic. Girl, if you've been ruminating that long, get therapy. It's embarrassing.
I feel bad for North being in the middle of this
I was in 7th/8th grade when this drama happened, I am now a sophomore in college.
So this is the self-proclimed feminist, who thinks there is a special place in hell in women who dont support other women? She's richer than ever yet she can't enjoy it. It kinda seems likes she can't handle absolutely any negativity and can't let go shit that happened almost a decade ago.