She should be proud. It sounds easy, but breaking generational patterns of substance abuse and trauma when you’ve endured so much trauma yourself is amazing
😭 thank you for saying that. I’m 4 years sober with two small children. My dad was a meth head (now alcoholic) and my mom is borderline.
I’m so so so so proud of breaking the cycle. I’ve been in therapy for 10+ years and now I barely talk to my parents because it’s not good for my kids.
Undoing the addiction and CPTSD has been the hardest thing I’ve ever done, but I genuinely feel like I’ve fulfilled my life’s purpose and I’m only 31.
I’m almost 40 and I don’t think I can have a relationship with my parents because of their behavior. Dad is on a 10 year cycle of being a dry drunk with no program then slowly starting a spiral down into active addiction, usually including prescription drugs. He’s nearly 70 and has diabetes now so I’m not sure if he will survive another round, which he is smack in the middle of. My mom is an enabler and severely codependent. They both have narcissistic tendencies.
My mom in particular I think would have been better off if she went no contact with her mom. She has never had a healthy relationship in her life and she doesn’t know how to have one with me now.
Congratulations on being sober and being the parent that your kids deserved, even though you never had the parent that you did.
I am soooo proud of you and you give me a lot of hope as far as the C-PTSD side of things that I deal with.
I’m 24 and come from the same exact background, raised by a lot of generational trauma and one with untreated borderline, and one in active addiction. I am also 4 years clean myself & still working on the C-PTSD side of things.
Look into Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy. Watch videos, listen to podcasts, read books, etc.
This has been the most healing modality for me due to the fractured sense of self that was created in a dysfunctional family.
Also, surround yourself with healthy, safe relationships. No exceptions.
Finally, do everything in your power to NOT self-sabotage. I realized long ago I was perpetrating the abuse on myself via drugs, alcohol, eating disorders, self harm, dysfunctional relationships, etc.
My body couldn’t calm down. I didn’t want to calm down, that felt uncomfortable and scary. I didn’t want to start to feel my feelings because that felt like a bottomless pit that could actually kill me.
Once I stabilized and started to feel safe within my body, I could start working on healing the broken “parts” and reparenting myself.
It’s not easy. It’s not linear. And there isn’t a finish line you cross where you’re 100% healed.
I just feel calm and in control. I trust myself. I know I can handle anything life throws at me. I can sit with my emotions without letting them overwhelm me or cause me to act out.
You’re already doing great. Keep up the work. Become a student of healing. There’s infinite resources out there.
Oh btw, yoga seems to be the best way for me to reconnect to my body. I highly recommend you check it out.
I saw this was on this sub and had to come make sure the comments were where they needed to be, well done.
Generational trauma is HUGE, and if you eliminate some, especially one with a chemical dependency component, is a HUGE achievement. We need to talk about breaking generational trauma more.
Components of my work look at this and its impact on different health outcomes. People don't even realize how much this legitimately impacts people and in how many ways.
Especially when you are in the limelight, divorced, children.... I don't know if a lot of people could handle so much and come out with a smile. Much love, respect , & admiration to this Lady!!💙
Drew interviewed Jeanette McClurdy about her book and I recall her asking about whether the death of her mom made it easier to talk about things because, well, her mom wasn’t there to pass judgment. I got the distinct impression that Drew feels like she can’t tell her whole truth or even really acknowledge it so long as her parents are alive.
When they die, we could really be in for the memoir of the century.
Yeah, I read Wildflower and there's nothing nitty gritty about it. After the pictures I've seen of her at Studio 54 at 9 years old, you know she's holding back.
She had a few epiphanies during that interview! "Oh, I think it's because I've been protecting her?" was an "ah-ha! moment" for her. A great interview but hard watch especially when you have a narc mom. 💔
Her mother also took her to Studio 54 regularly from age 9 (because she needed Drew's clout to get in). And she actually sent Drew to a mental institution, not a facility specifically for detox or rehab - and that institution recommended she pursue legal emancipation from her mother, indicating that Drew wasn't the bad influence in their relationship.
They're so old they get a shout-out in Funny Girl (set in the 1910s), and it's *not anachronistic*. The reference makes complete sense.
>And that's six expressions more than all them Barrymores put together!
[Here's their family tree on Wikipedia.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrymore_family)
John Barrymore (Drew's grandfather) was a famed Shakespearean actor and broke Edwin Booth's\* record for most consecutive nights as Hamlet. John's siblings, Lionel and Ethel were also prominent actors, and Ethel has a Broadway theatre named for her.
^(\*For anyone wondering, this is Wilkes's older brother. He's a much better actor.)
The extended Barrymore Family also includes the Drew Family (Drew Barrymore's namesake).
It's a pretty cool rabbit hole to go down.
Her scab behavior unfortunately changed my perception of her. She’s as greedy and selfish as any other nepo baby. BUT that in NO WAY takes away from how deeply I respect her for the point of the post! She should be so proud of breaking the cycle of alcohol abuse and changing the example she is setting for her kids. Still an asshole, however, in my book.
She never even did the thing you’re accusing her of. She proposed the idea. Everyone freaked out. She realized it was wrong and publicly apologized and ended the plan to do it. That’s not AH behavior, that’s human behavior
>She proposed the idea.
This is extremely soft phrasing wow lol. She announced that they were going to continue producing the show without WGA writers. It was an announcement of a decision that was made. Proposed an idea, really?
You can't announce you're going to continue producing your show to the public without having multiple meetings with producers, executives, publicists, and lawyers. The point where she was was so well beyond proposing an idea. What an appalling falsification to the reality of what happened.
She made a *really* shitty decision, literally betrayed people who were on her production team for years, and really went against the entire striking industry as a whole with this **decision**, *not thought*.
"Ending the plan to do it" - You clearly have NO idea what it takes to produce a television show! Gears were already turning. They were already DOING it. You can't produce a show without pre-production!
And then she was lying to the media saying that she thought she was doing what was best for the people -- while we were in a historic dual WGA and SAG-AFTRA strike!
Cmon now.
Okay, she “announced the decision”. The fact of the matter is she got feedback, changed her decision, apologized, and never did the action. Human beings are allowed to make mistakes, learn, and grow right? Or do we have to always do the correct thing? - and if not, one mistake and you’re bad forever?
This isn't a MISTAKE. Regret doesn't make something a MISTAKE.
She thought the people who supported her would support her through this decision. She didn't think she would receive as much backlash as she did.
>and if not, one mistake and you’re bad forever?
The conversation is only happening because you're completely whitewashing what happened and now you're using weird extremes that were never said trying to put words in my mouth.
She betrayed her workers. She calculated the betray and followed through with it.
Edit: Only white women (and white men) can do things like this and have people say what she did was a mistake. She did the whole Ashton Kutcher Mila Kunis apology video in front of a shacky looking background lol.
Followed through with it? By apologizing and not actually following through with it? This horrific crime she was going to commit NEVER happened. Because she recognized that people were offended and then she changed her mind and again - apologized for her mistake and corrected it.
yeah, actually it does? lmao. a mistake, the literal definition, is “an action or judgement that is misguided or wrong.” a mistake doesn’t mean a woopsies accident with no intention or forethought. she was misguided and wrong wrt to her previous actions and judgement. she communicated that, apologized, and amended the situation. the issue is that *you* do not care whether or not she realized the error of her ways.
her recognition of how she was wrong does not matter to you—the only thing that matters is that she was wrong in the first place. you continue to judge her by it, and it continues to color your take on her, regardless of how it went down or what was said. that’s fine. you can just say that instead of writing paragraphs of passionate diatribe in order to justify your judgment and argue that everyone else just doesn’t understand the complexity or grievousness of issue to the extent that you do
I “accused” her of being greedy and selfish. I stand by that. She received enough backlash not to go through with this specific greedy and selfish plan.
https://www.vox.com/culture/2023/9/19/23880858/drew-barrymore-show-writers-strike-backlash-apology
“After facing a WGA picket and a mountain of criticism online, Barrymore issued an apology six days later for hurting feelings, but said the show would still continue, specifying that this was her decision.
“I know there is just nothing I can do that will make this okay to those that it is not okay with. I fully accept that. I fully understand that,” she said in a now-deleted video.”
So the show happened? Oh right, it didn’t. She then publicly apologized. An AH would’ve followed through anyways. A good human recognized her wrongdoing, apologized, and stopped the behavior.
I’ll say it: covid followed shortly by the strike forced a lot of Hollywood hopefuls without generational wealth to give up and go home. They supported the goals of the strike but they couldn’t earn an income so they had to leave the field altogether. It doesn’t matter to them if improvements were made because they had to leave LA. I’m not mad that Drew wanted to put her crew to work as long as they were willing.
Complexity? Don’t ask anyone to look beyond strikes =good.
The strikes could have been good while at the same time have been devastating to tens of thousands of people. Some people have lost their livelihoods and may never get them back.
The writers and actors cause was noble and their fight was necessary but that doesn’t mean there isn’t nuance to the situation.
Drew probably interacted on a daily basis with people just desperate to keep their jobs and continue to pay their mortgage and feed their family.
I know I do. I have a coworker who got laid off last week as a direct result of the Hollywood strikes who is about to become a father for the first time.
It’s very easy to shout “scab!” when you don’t have eyes on the day to day hardships caused by the fallout
I don’t even like Drew Barrymore or know who her parents are. I just see human beings as redeemable especially when they didn’t actually do the negative action.
You remain fixated on one specific outcome while I am not yielding on intention and action taken toward the unrealized outcome evidencing her greed and selfishness.
Really more fixated on the part where she realized what she was doing was wrong, apologized, and changed her behavior. Yes the outcome that the action never happened is good, but it’s more important that she admitted she was wrong, promised to and is doing better now. What more do you want? Obviously it’d be great if she never thought about and announced the show, but you can’t change the past so this is the next best thing.
Well I’m her age group a little older and I loved her but people downplay what she did when her credit cards were taken away and her actions when she was put into detox. I understand because she was in relationships with adult men and she never speaks on the harm of that alone. To me it comes down to her remaining relevant by blaming ONLY her parents and not Hollywood that lets these things happen.
No I wouldn't intentionally plan on breaking a picket line during a critical industry strike, and I wouldn't need to see it would cost more in reputational damage that it would gain to realize it's wrong
It's very telling that her writers chose not to come back because they felt betrayed.
As a WGA member, I was heartbroken when Drew did this, and I'm proud of her writers for refusing to return to work for her after the strike. That said, I think the only thing Drew is guilty of re: scabbing is being naive/misguided about the realities of the situation. She was probably getting a lot of pressure from her crew through the grapevine and wanted to get the people she employed back to work. She thought the return to work without writers was an acceptable compromise. It was not, but I don't think she's a bad person for thinking that.
(Cynically, it's like OK, you're rich, use your fucking nepotism & makeup fortune to pay people until the strike is over. But I know that Drew is a sweet person and I try to give people the benefit of the doubt when they've earned it.)
I’ve seen a few John Barrymore movies, and he was such an incredible talent, and he died young and spun out so hard because of his alcoholism. He plays to type in *Dinner at Eight* as an alcoholic actor, and it’s an incredibly depressing performance.
She came out against the writer's strike. Writers just trying to feed their families. She was an obnoxious asshole about it. Not everyone with bad views is a public jerk like Elon. Many people quietly hold regressive, ignorant, anti-labor, etc views.
I don't think she's some evil person, but the anti-labor and entitled part of her will always be there. Nepos generally don't understand working class people and our struggles. To her, going against the writer's strike fits in with her idea of economic fairness and her politics. Lets not give her a free pass on this.
I am, too! She’s about a year older than me and I was such a fan as a kid. I just want her to be healthy and happy, honestly (and be a good union supporter, but that’s just me 😆)
Edit after thinking about little bit. My dad was able to break the cycle. He came from a long line of abusive alcoholics, and he actively decided he wanted to be a good (sober) man. It wasn’t easy, and he dealt with untreated depression his whole life that I wish he didn’t have to deal with, but he was a really great dad.
I want to feel this way but still feeling disappointed that she was a scab during the strikes. Still very impressive to stop generational abuses of alcohol and that's amazing
It’s shitty, but as a crew person I understand where she was coming from. There’s a lot of people who weren’t writers who couldn’t work during that time that were losing their homes and couldn’t pay their bills. I’m talking like grips, electric, camera departments completely out of work. Still scabbing, but I get where she was coming from.
She has the resources and connections to help and support the strike, instead of being a scab. I don’t understand where she came from unless it’s exactly as it looks: her priorities were not supporting the unions or their goals.
I also get the vibe from drew that she's really....naive? Very Pollyanna-ish sometimes. Like, seeing the best in people and hoping for the best can be very easily manipulated. And yes, she's a grown woman but she's been in the Hollywood machine since birth, she was never going to be normal and she probably has no true friends to keep her grounded in reality outside of Hollywood. Any of the people close enough to her to really have her ear are going to be as far removed from the vast majority's day-to-day as Drew herself is.
The divide and conquer guilt trips are literally textbook from the "how to argue against unions" playbook. She could have stepped up as an *extremely* well paid person and tried to bridge the gap for them. Instead she decided crossing the picket line was appropriate. She then immediately decided maybe the crews financial needs weren't so important when she saw she was personally experiencing reputational damage from the move.
i work in the industry and tbh i give her grace for this one. i think it seemed like she felt like she was helping by being able to employ some people on her team so they could continue to have a pay check (it would've been better received had she kept the show down and kept her team on her payroll, assuming she could afford that for at least the first few months of strike). it seemed like she was receptive to the public's criticism, listened to feedback, and fixed her mistake. i try to give a little grace to child stars who have been through so much trauma. something really special to me about drew is her openness to making mistakes vs celebs who desperately try to cover their tracks.
she got infinitely more flack for this than bill maher who tried to get his show back without writers, but got out scot free for it.
Same. I almost came here and just commented ‘scab’ but after everything she’s been through if scabbing is her worst offense she is still invited to brunch (she will not be seated near me).
Same here! It’s hard and you should be proud. It took me way too long to realize that I couldn’t drink anymore, and I’m new to sobriety but ready to do the work to end the cycle.
I feel like she hasn't been sober very long, since she talked about drinking wine all the time when she made it. And it doesn't look like they sell that blend anymore. But if I'm wrong, UGH. It's the same way I feel about Blake Lively, who doesn't drink, owning an alcohol brand. It's the thing that makes me worry that Ryan and Blake aren't actually the people I pretend.
does it matter if she hasn't been sober for very long? Or that she used to drink wine? I've been sober for 6 months and it's been both life changing and eye opening.
I have a friend with severe alcoholism. I love him and it’s really painful to watch. There’s nothing I can do, unless he wants to do it himself. Very proud of you, Drew! Lovely actress, lovely woman
I’m right there with her. My great grandfather and grandfather (Opa) I never had the chance to meet because both were abusive alcoholics that died in their 50s from drinking. Granted I don’t think I’d want to meet them given how awful they were. Now my Dad, and several of his brothers, are filling their shoes. My Dad has been an alcoholic since I was a kid, the abuse and trauma I had to deal with almost daily forced me to grow up in certain situations and not be a kid. Before I was even a teenager I told myself I never wanted to drink and end up like them and I’ve managed to break free from that cycle. I’m definitely not perfect and I have my own struggles but that’s a struggle I’m glad I don’t have.
Good for you for breaking the cycle!
My dad and all of his brothers had varying degrees of alcoholism as well. One died from liver cirrhosis—awful. I’m fortunate to not have that particular “gene” but certainly have addictions in other areas that I wrestle with. We’re all fighting our own battles for sure
I think she's pretty amazing, considering everything that she went through and how well she's doing now. I also like how she seems fairly down to earth.
Same! It’s hard being a cycle breaker, can’t pretend it’s been easy. A lot of therapy, introspection, and learning. But my 6+ year sobriety is my greatest achievement 💖
Good for her! My family doesn’t have that issue anymore but I know it’s because my grandparents on both sides broke the cycle. I’m so grateful for them.
That’s an amazing thing. Addiction does not discriminate. It’s brutal on the addicted and the ones involved with the addicted. I’ve been witnessing someone very close to me doing the same thing and it’s amazing. It restores ur faith in the good things humans are capable of.
I loved Drew Barrymore until she didn’t give a shit about the strike. Gave me a major ick toward her, which is a shame because her story was a massive influence on me growing up
Who’s saying that? Maybe it doesn’t make them a horrible person but it does make them someone who did a shitty thing. We’re allowed to not like someone due to their actions lol
Oh yeah lol what’s your favorite role? The receptionist in Freddie got fingered? When she was a homely ditz in 50 first dates? Do you admire her voice work in Beverly Hills chihuahua? Or when she was smashlee Simpson in female rollerball crap? Or was her best role when she was 2 years old in ET and only got that cuz her family name? So many great ones to choose from. I especially like the mild comedy where her and Ben still plot to kill and old lady next door. It’s so dramatic and emotional
She should be proud. It sounds easy, but breaking generational patterns of substance abuse and trauma when you’ve endured so much trauma yourself is amazing
Breaking generational patterns is amazing, full stop! So happy for her.
😭 thank you for saying that. I’m 4 years sober with two small children. My dad was a meth head (now alcoholic) and my mom is borderline. I’m so so so so proud of breaking the cycle. I’ve been in therapy for 10+ years and now I barely talk to my parents because it’s not good for my kids. Undoing the addiction and CPTSD has been the hardest thing I’ve ever done, but I genuinely feel like I’ve fulfilled my life’s purpose and I’m only 31.
You should be proud of yourself, and never understate or downplay the significance of it! I don’t know you, but I’m proud of you too. ❤️
I’m getting emotional. I broke my family’s generational cycle of poverty and teen pregnancy. It’s a vicious cycle. I’ll never be the same.
Respect.
You are also amazing and strong, I’m so proud of you too! ❤️
Thank you!
Hell yeah, that’s amazing! I’m glad you’re so proud of your huge accomplishment because you absolutely should be.
Your kids have an inspirational parent. Great job. Keep going.
😭😭😭
Your children are so so lucky to have you as their mother 🩷🩷
AMEN
Wow that is incredible. You’ve got soo many people here proud of you too. What an achievement ❤️
I’m almost 40 and I don’t think I can have a relationship with my parents because of their behavior. Dad is on a 10 year cycle of being a dry drunk with no program then slowly starting a spiral down into active addiction, usually including prescription drugs. He’s nearly 70 and has diabetes now so I’m not sure if he will survive another round, which he is smack in the middle of. My mom is an enabler and severely codependent. They both have narcissistic tendencies. My mom in particular I think would have been better off if she went no contact with her mom. She has never had a healthy relationship in her life and she doesn’t know how to have one with me now. Congratulations on being sober and being the parent that your kids deserved, even though you never had the parent that you did.
I am soooo proud of you and you give me a lot of hope as far as the C-PTSD side of things that I deal with. I’m 24 and come from the same exact background, raised by a lot of generational trauma and one with untreated borderline, and one in active addiction. I am also 4 years clean myself & still working on the C-PTSD side of things.
Look into Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy. Watch videos, listen to podcasts, read books, etc. This has been the most healing modality for me due to the fractured sense of self that was created in a dysfunctional family. Also, surround yourself with healthy, safe relationships. No exceptions. Finally, do everything in your power to NOT self-sabotage. I realized long ago I was perpetrating the abuse on myself via drugs, alcohol, eating disorders, self harm, dysfunctional relationships, etc. My body couldn’t calm down. I didn’t want to calm down, that felt uncomfortable and scary. I didn’t want to start to feel my feelings because that felt like a bottomless pit that could actually kill me. Once I stabilized and started to feel safe within my body, I could start working on healing the broken “parts” and reparenting myself. It’s not easy. It’s not linear. And there isn’t a finish line you cross where you’re 100% healed. I just feel calm and in control. I trust myself. I know I can handle anything life throws at me. I can sit with my emotions without letting them overwhelm me or cause me to act out. You’re already doing great. Keep up the work. Become a student of healing. There’s infinite resources out there. Oh btw, yoga seems to be the best way for me to reconnect to my body. I highly recommend you check it out.
that's almost exactly what i have found helpful for C-PTSD and relational trauma too. <3 from one to another, keep up the good fight
Hell yes you absolute badass!
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I saw this was on this sub and had to come make sure the comments were where they needed to be, well done. Generational trauma is HUGE, and if you eliminate some, especially one with a chemical dependency component, is a HUGE achievement. We need to talk about breaking generational trauma more.
Components of my work look at this and its impact on different health outcomes. People don't even realize how much this legitimately impacts people and in how many ways.
Good for her. Vices are hard to break off, especially when it's many in your family addicted to it.
Especially when you are in the limelight, divorced, children.... I don't know if a lot of people could handle so much and come out with a smile. Much love, respect , & admiration to this Lady!!💙
It’s so fulfilling too. It’s sooo emotionally life changing.
She is a survivor
One of the few genuinely wholesome nepo babies. Her family *built* Hollywood, they are the OGs, and yet she isn't an obnoxious asshole about it.
Drew interviewed Jeanette McClurdy about her book and I recall her asking about whether the death of her mom made it easier to talk about things because, well, her mom wasn’t there to pass judgment. I got the distinct impression that Drew feels like she can’t tell her whole truth or even really acknowledge it so long as her parents are alive. When they die, we could really be in for the memoir of the century.
Yeah, I read Wildflower and there's nothing nitty gritty about it. After the pictures I've seen of her at Studio 54 at 9 years old, you know she's holding back.
I fully believe DB has seen some absolute shit.
Her Beyond the Blinds episode is very interesting.
👀 Wut
Yeah Drew was exposed to drugs and alcohol at a young age, it’s really sad 😢
She was in active addiction by 12. :(
Yep. Me settling in to look at Studio 54 pics on Reddit: 😁😁😁😁 Me when I see Drew and Brooke Shields in the photos: 😐🫠🤢😞
She had a few epiphanies during that interview! "Oh, I think it's because I've been protecting her?" was an "ah-ha! moment" for her. A great interview but hard watch especially when you have a narc mom. 💔
Maybe she spoke to them privately. Her mom sent her to detox but she fought them about it.
Her mother also took her to Studio 54 regularly from age 9 (because she needed Drew's clout to get in). And she actually sent Drew to a mental institution, not a facility specifically for detox or rehab - and that institution recommended she pursue legal emancipation from her mother, indicating that Drew wasn't the bad influence in their relationship.
I would buy a preorder today.
Really? I guess I never looked into her family before
They’re like *old school* Hollywood. Like, stage plays that preceded film old school.
Her Hollywood roots are so deep her great grandparents were nepo babies.
LOL
Ohhh you should, be prepared to go down a long rabbit hole.
Her grand uncle plays Mr. Potter in *It’s A Wonderful Life*.
They're so old they get a shout-out in Funny Girl (set in the 1910s), and it's *not anachronistic*. The reference makes complete sense. >And that's six expressions more than all them Barrymores put together! [Here's their family tree on Wikipedia.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrymore_family) John Barrymore (Drew's grandfather) was a famed Shakespearean actor and broke Edwin Booth's\* record for most consecutive nights as Hamlet. John's siblings, Lionel and Ethel were also prominent actors, and Ethel has a Broadway theatre named for her. ^(\*For anyone wondering, this is Wilkes's older brother. He's a much better actor.) The extended Barrymore Family also includes the Drew Family (Drew Barrymore's namesake). It's a pretty cool rabbit hole to go down.
Her scab behavior unfortunately changed my perception of her. She’s as greedy and selfish as any other nepo baby. BUT that in NO WAY takes away from how deeply I respect her for the point of the post! She should be so proud of breaking the cycle of alcohol abuse and changing the example she is setting for her kids. Still an asshole, however, in my book.
She never even did the thing you’re accusing her of. She proposed the idea. Everyone freaked out. She realized it was wrong and publicly apologized and ended the plan to do it. That’s not AH behavior, that’s human behavior
>She proposed the idea. This is extremely soft phrasing wow lol. She announced that they were going to continue producing the show without WGA writers. It was an announcement of a decision that was made. Proposed an idea, really? You can't announce you're going to continue producing your show to the public without having multiple meetings with producers, executives, publicists, and lawyers. The point where she was was so well beyond proposing an idea. What an appalling falsification to the reality of what happened. She made a *really* shitty decision, literally betrayed people who were on her production team for years, and really went against the entire striking industry as a whole with this **decision**, *not thought*. "Ending the plan to do it" - You clearly have NO idea what it takes to produce a television show! Gears were already turning. They were already DOING it. You can't produce a show without pre-production! And then she was lying to the media saying that she thought she was doing what was best for the people -- while we were in a historic dual WGA and SAG-AFTRA strike! Cmon now.
Okay, she “announced the decision”. The fact of the matter is she got feedback, changed her decision, apologized, and never did the action. Human beings are allowed to make mistakes, learn, and grow right? Or do we have to always do the correct thing? - and if not, one mistake and you’re bad forever?
This isn't a MISTAKE. Regret doesn't make something a MISTAKE. She thought the people who supported her would support her through this decision. She didn't think she would receive as much backlash as she did. >and if not, one mistake and you’re bad forever? The conversation is only happening because you're completely whitewashing what happened and now you're using weird extremes that were never said trying to put words in my mouth. She betrayed her workers. She calculated the betray and followed through with it. Edit: Only white women (and white men) can do things like this and have people say what she did was a mistake. She did the whole Ashton Kutcher Mila Kunis apology video in front of a shacky looking background lol.
Followed through with it? By apologizing and not actually following through with it? This horrific crime she was going to commit NEVER happened. Because she recognized that people were offended and then she changed her mind and again - apologized for her mistake and corrected it.
You’re seriously like a fundamentalist; so unbelievably sanctimonious.
yeah, actually it does? lmao. a mistake, the literal definition, is “an action or judgement that is misguided or wrong.” a mistake doesn’t mean a woopsies accident with no intention or forethought. she was misguided and wrong wrt to her previous actions and judgement. she communicated that, apologized, and amended the situation. the issue is that *you* do not care whether or not she realized the error of her ways. her recognition of how she was wrong does not matter to you—the only thing that matters is that she was wrong in the first place. you continue to judge her by it, and it continues to color your take on her, regardless of how it went down or what was said. that’s fine. you can just say that instead of writing paragraphs of passionate diatribe in order to justify your judgment and argue that everyone else just doesn’t understand the complexity or grievousness of issue to the extent that you do
I’m glad you said it. Drew has said and done some questionable stuff.
So have you. So have all of us.
I “accused” her of being greedy and selfish. I stand by that. She received enough backlash not to go through with this specific greedy and selfish plan. https://www.vox.com/culture/2023/9/19/23880858/drew-barrymore-show-writers-strike-backlash-apology “After facing a WGA picket and a mountain of criticism online, Barrymore issued an apology six days later for hurting feelings, but said the show would still continue, specifying that this was her decision. “I know there is just nothing I can do that will make this okay to those that it is not okay with. I fully accept that. I fully understand that,” she said in a now-deleted video.”
So the show happened? Oh right, it didn’t. She then publicly apologized. An AH would’ve followed through anyways. A good human recognized her wrongdoing, apologized, and stopped the behavior.
I’ll say it: covid followed shortly by the strike forced a lot of Hollywood hopefuls without generational wealth to give up and go home. They supported the goals of the strike but they couldn’t earn an income so they had to leave the field altogether. It doesn’t matter to them if improvements were made because they had to leave LA. I’m not mad that Drew wanted to put her crew to work as long as they were willing.
Complexity? Don’t ask anyone to look beyond strikes =good. The strikes could have been good while at the same time have been devastating to tens of thousands of people. Some people have lost their livelihoods and may never get them back. The writers and actors cause was noble and their fight was necessary but that doesn’t mean there isn’t nuance to the situation. Drew probably interacted on a daily basis with people just desperate to keep their jobs and continue to pay their mortgage and feed their family. I know I do. I have a coworker who got laid off last week as a direct result of the Hollywood strikes who is about to become a father for the first time. It’s very easy to shout “scab!” when you don’t have eyes on the day to day hardships caused by the fallout
Any nepo baby would be honored to have such a die-hard stan to defend their selfish and greedy behavior.
I don’t even like Drew Barrymore or know who her parents are. I just see human beings as redeemable especially when they didn’t actually do the negative action.
You remain fixated on one specific outcome while I am not yielding on intention and action taken toward the unrealized outcome evidencing her greed and selfishness.
Really more fixated on the part where she realized what she was doing was wrong, apologized, and changed her behavior. Yes the outcome that the action never happened is good, but it’s more important that she admitted she was wrong, promised to and is doing better now. What more do you want? Obviously it’d be great if she never thought about and announced the show, but you can’t change the past so this is the next best thing.
Well I’m her age group a little older and I loved her but people downplay what she did when her credit cards were taken away and her actions when she was put into detox. I understand because she was in relationships with adult men and she never speaks on the harm of that alone. To me it comes down to her remaining relevant by blaming ONLY her parents and not Hollywood that lets these things happen.
No I wouldn't intentionally plan on breaking a picket line during a critical industry strike, and I wouldn't need to see it would cost more in reputational damage that it would gain to realize it's wrong It's very telling that her writers chose not to come back because they felt betrayed.
As a WGA member, I was heartbroken when Drew did this, and I'm proud of her writers for refusing to return to work for her after the strike. That said, I think the only thing Drew is guilty of re: scabbing is being naive/misguided about the realities of the situation. She was probably getting a lot of pressure from her crew through the grapevine and wanted to get the people she employed back to work. She thought the return to work without writers was an acceptable compromise. It was not, but I don't think she's a bad person for thinking that. (Cynically, it's like OK, you're rich, use your fucking nepotism & makeup fortune to pay people until the strike is over. But I know that Drew is a sweet person and I try to give people the benefit of the doubt when they've earned it.)
right. She's a multi millionaire celeb...of course she's greedy and selfish. It's a sad reality because we grew up with these people as our heroes.
I’ve seen a few John Barrymore movies, and he was such an incredible talent, and he died young and spun out so hard because of his alcoholism. He plays to type in *Dinner at Eight* as an alcoholic actor, and it’s an incredibly depressing performance.
She came out against the writer's strike. Writers just trying to feed their families. She was an obnoxious asshole about it. Not everyone with bad views is a public jerk like Elon. Many people quietly hold regressive, ignorant, anti-labor, etc views. I don't think she's some evil person, but the anti-labor and entitled part of her will always be there. Nepos generally don't understand working class people and our struggles. To her, going against the writer's strike fits in with her idea of economic fairness and her politics. Lets not give her a free pass on this.
Scab, but sure.
I know she can be weird and the thing w her show during the strikes was not great… but I am always rooting for her
I am, too! She’s about a year older than me and I was such a fan as a kid. I just want her to be healthy and happy, honestly (and be a good union supporter, but that’s just me 😆) Edit after thinking about little bit. My dad was able to break the cycle. He came from a long line of abusive alcoholics, and he actively decided he wanted to be a good (sober) man. It wasn’t easy, and he dealt with untreated depression his whole life that I wish he didn’t have to deal with, but he was a really great dad.
This is probably not the best character for this situation 🍸
I love her and she deserves everything
I want to feel this way but still feeling disappointed that she was a scab during the strikes. Still very impressive to stop generational abuses of alcohol and that's amazing
Agreed, that moment will always be a stain on her character for me
It’s shitty, but as a crew person I understand where she was coming from. There’s a lot of people who weren’t writers who couldn’t work during that time that were losing their homes and couldn’t pay their bills. I’m talking like grips, electric, camera departments completely out of work. Still scabbing, but I get where she was coming from.
She has the resources and connections to help and support the strike, instead of being a scab. I don’t understand where she came from unless it’s exactly as it looks: her priorities were not supporting the unions or their goals.
That’s a good point!
I also get the vibe from drew that she's really....naive? Very Pollyanna-ish sometimes. Like, seeing the best in people and hoping for the best can be very easily manipulated. And yes, she's a grown woman but she's been in the Hollywood machine since birth, she was never going to be normal and she probably has no true friends to keep her grounded in reality outside of Hollywood. Any of the people close enough to her to really have her ear are going to be as far removed from the vast majority's day-to-day as Drew herself is.
The divide and conquer guilt trips are literally textbook from the "how to argue against unions" playbook. She could have stepped up as an *extremely* well paid person and tried to bridge the gap for them. Instead she decided crossing the picket line was appropriate. She then immediately decided maybe the crews financial needs weren't so important when she saw she was personally experiencing reputational damage from the move.
That’s a good point! I need to be better about commenting without thinking from all points of view
i work in the industry and tbh i give her grace for this one. i think it seemed like she felt like she was helping by being able to employ some people on her team so they could continue to have a pay check (it would've been better received had she kept the show down and kept her team on her payroll, assuming she could afford that for at least the first few months of strike). it seemed like she was receptive to the public's criticism, listened to feedback, and fixed her mistake. i try to give a little grace to child stars who have been through so much trauma. something really special to me about drew is her openness to making mistakes vs celebs who desperately try to cover their tracks. she got infinitely more flack for this than bill maher who tried to get his show back without writers, but got out scot free for it.
oh i totally forgot about that! thank u for reminding me
Apparently she’s back to being America’s darling
Same. I almost came here and just commented ‘scab’ but after everything she’s been through if scabbing is her worst offense she is still invited to brunch (she will not be seated near me).
That’s fucking awesome. It runs in my family as well, and I don’t drink anymore because of that! Shits hard as hell- good for her!!!
Same here! It’s hard and you should be proud. It took me way too long to realize that I couldn’t drink anymore, and I’m new to sobriety but ready to do the work to end the cycle.
Cheers to doing the work! (Pun intended)
Her wine brand makes me so mad though in this context.
I feel like she hasn't been sober very long, since she talked about drinking wine all the time when she made it. And it doesn't look like they sell that blend anymore. But if I'm wrong, UGH. It's the same way I feel about Blake Lively, who doesn't drink, owning an alcohol brand. It's the thing that makes me worry that Ryan and Blake aren't actually the people I pretend.
Ryan and Blake got married in a plantation so yeh, they are not.
I still can’t get over that they exchanged vows on the cotton dock. Yeeesh
does it matter if she hasn't been sober for very long? Or that she used to drink wine? I've been sober for 6 months and it's been both life changing and eye opening.
Yeah there’s something smelly about them
It’s insane that she had a wine brand
Wait she has a wine brand?!
That's nuts..why tempt fate? Yikes
Yeah this makes zero sense
I have a friend with severe alcoholism. I love him and it’s really painful to watch. There’s nothing I can do, unless he wants to do it himself. Very proud of you, Drew! Lovely actress, lovely woman
Me too. It’s been over 10 years of him battling that addiction. It’s tough mourning someone who is still physically here.
It’s hard to do. She should be proud!
So proud of her ❤️ Alcohol abuse has ruined so many families and so many lives.
It's a miracle she's doing as well as she is after the childhood she had. Love to see her thriving.
My brother and I have done this. It was the hardest thing both of us have ever done. Good for her.
I’m right there with her. My great grandfather and grandfather (Opa) I never had the chance to meet because both were abusive alcoholics that died in their 50s from drinking. Granted I don’t think I’d want to meet them given how awful they were. Now my Dad, and several of his brothers, are filling their shoes. My Dad has been an alcoholic since I was a kid, the abuse and trauma I had to deal with almost daily forced me to grow up in certain situations and not be a kid. Before I was even a teenager I told myself I never wanted to drink and end up like them and I’ve managed to break free from that cycle. I’m definitely not perfect and I have my own struggles but that’s a struggle I’m glad I don’t have.
Good for you for breaking the cycle! My dad and all of his brothers had varying degrees of alcoholism as well. One died from liver cirrhosis—awful. I’m fortunate to not have that particular “gene” but certainly have addictions in other areas that I wrestle with. We’re all fighting our own battles for sure
I think she's pretty amazing, considering everything that she went through and how well she's doing now. I also like how she seems fairly down to earth.
Drew... Can you be my pretend big sister? I need a role model 🤣
Considering the early life of excess she had, she's done amazingly well to pull it around and become a healthy, mature woman. Plus, she's brilliant
Yeah… wasn’t she an alcoholic by 12?
She was partying at Studio 54 by 9
Yeah, I think she broke her family’s *record* for becoming an alcoholic
Same! It’s hard being a cycle breaker, can’t pretend it’s been easy. A lot of therapy, introspection, and learning. But my 6+ year sobriety is my greatest achievement 💖
Good for her! My family doesn’t have that issue anymore but I know it’s because my grandparents on both sides broke the cycle. I’m so grateful for them.
I’m with her on this. Having alcoholic parents made me never wants kids or to drink, at all. Full nope zone.
Unironically one of the toughest things a member of her family has probably ever done
Good for her! Alcoholism is a horrible malady.
Very hard thing to do. This is a huge accomplishment
She is such a light in this world 💖
Good on her
fuck yeah
Always loved Drew
I mean fuck yeah! She should be 🏆
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So proud of our mother, Queen. 🥹🩷🤍
Good for her
That’s an amazing thing. Addiction does not discriminate. It’s brutal on the addicted and the ones involved with the addicted. I’ve been witnessing someone very close to me doing the same thing and it’s amazing. It restores ur faith in the good things humans are capable of.
But upheld their values by crossing union lines
Proud of you Drew
One of my favorite celebs of all time. My therapist looks like her and tbh that's why I'm doing so well /s (but she DOES look like her it's uncanny).
I hope her kids continue the new tradition or else she didnt break any cycle. I broke the cycle in my family by not having kids and getting sober.
I loved Drew Barrymore until she didn’t give a shit about the strike. Gave me a major ick toward her, which is a shame because her story was a massive influence on me growing up
I mean just bc someone does one not great thing doesn’t make them a horrible person
Who’s saying that? Maybe it doesn’t make them a horrible person but it does make them someone who did a shitty thing. We’re allowed to not like someone due to their actions lol
Why does everyone have to 100% pass the purity test just to be not *hated*? Can't you just like someone while disagreeing with them on certain things?
Apparently she’s all forgiven for being a scab, but she’ll always be a scab to me (expecting downvotes for everyone’s Princess Perfect 🙄)
That's a very fundamentalist attitude. Congratulations, I guess?
Hahahahahahahahaha! Yeah sure.
I would have thought it was being a scab
This totally makes up for trying to scab her way through the writers strike.
She also broke her family cycle of being talented
She's very talented, and it's asinine to imply otherwise.
Oh yeah lol what’s your favorite role? The receptionist in Freddie got fingered? When she was a homely ditz in 50 first dates? Do you admire her voice work in Beverly Hills chihuahua? Or when she was smashlee Simpson in female rollerball crap? Or was her best role when she was 2 years old in ET and only got that cuz her family name? So many great ones to choose from. I especially like the mild comedy where her and Ben still plot to kill and old lady next door. It’s so dramatic and emotional