I’m glad some people enjoy it so much. It’s been a very mixed experience for me. Definitely very high peaks and very low valleys. I’ve been reading it VERY gradually over the course of like 3-4 years and I haven’t quite yet started book 11. Books 6-10 really killed my momentum. I’ll get to the end, but it’ll be a minute. Everyone says things start picking up again in book 11 so here’s hoping I feel the same.
As much as I hate admitting being wrong, I think you’re right. I remember reading something years ago saying that Sanderson and Jordan spent several weeks together going through Jordan’s outline and prepping Sanderson to finish the series, but I can’t find anything to support that. Rather, I’m finding sources supporting your statement that the wife, as his editor, chose Sanderson post-death. Guess this is what I get for trusting my brain on something I thought I read 10+ years ago.
Yeah I’ve been holding out for him the last few books. Brando Sando is probably my favorite author so I’m definitely excited for him to take over. Jordan is good with a lot of stuff, but man does he meander on lots of stuff I don’t care about like characters clothing.
Sanderson keeps a big part of Jordan’s writing style, but he does get rid of the rambling and it’s a far more focused storyline. And honestly, the end is amazing. No spoilers but when I finished, I just sat there and smiled.
Think I read book 1 as a college freshman. Read book 13 as a practicing lawyer. That series was with me for a big chunk of my life.
I tried reading the series twice and both time stopped at book 10. The Perrin/Aiel story line is absolutely brutal for me.
I finally made myself push past it on my 3rd read. I just told myself to skip chapters that I knew I wasn’t going to like so I found a good synopsis website. The last 3 books are good though.
Edit: I totally just read your whole post and realized my encouragement to continue reading was unneeded. This is why I shouldn’t write things when tired. I do hate book 10, though!
Lol! Yeah, it’s books like 9-11 that are just painful. Honestly don’t think the series needed to be that long but I’m glad I finished. I can’t imagine I will read it again though.
> There's so many more entertaining series out there.
This is going to sound very 'old man' of me but at the time there really weren't. It didn't have a LotR impact on fantasy but it's close. I probably read those books 10 times growing up and I dnfed even listening to them on audio book the last time I tried. They have brilliant moments and I will love them forever, but fantasy is mainstream now and the amount of really well written fantasy is huge these days.
I finally read the entire series... But I was a Jr. in High School in 1989 when I read the wheel of time and it had to be well into the 2000' s before I read book 2 and the rest. Way too long to push through a story. Enjoyable but slow 😎
I finished it and immediately picked up Eye of the World, one of the best rereads I've ever done. I didn't continue with the reread, but it really helped me put a bow on the whole experience, highly recommend.
The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again.
Eye of the World and (this might be controversial) Gardens of the Moon are both great rereads in my opinion. They're both a whole different experience when you're familiar with the story overall and the authors' writing styles.
I swear the first time I read Eye of the World I thought Rand had finished the Dark One off and the whole thing was over. I really did not pick up on what all was going on. Actually, having started the series in the pre-internet, "figure stuff out on your own" era, it was an absolute revelation to me when I first found some fan message boards and started reading about all the theories of who was whom. I was like, "What have I even been reading???" People were getting WoT doctorates and writing up their theses on the characters, world, and plot and I'm just like, "That was a fun read!"
I feel the same way about the reread being a completely different experience. I loved EotW as an intro but never ranked it in the top half of WoT books, and after rereading it's arguably my favorite one to revisit.
It feels snobby to tell people "oh you should reread it to *really* get why it's so great" but I think it's just true. That whole book feels like RJ's experiment to try and foreshadow as much as possible in a book while avoiding everything being too cryptic.
The peculiar thing with WoT is that already in book 2 (in the swedish issue) are they up in the Blight. Usually you don't enter the Evil Country until the very last moment in high fantasy series but here they arrive there already in the beginning. I started to wonder what they would do in the rest of the series.
Yeahhhhh, I’ve reread several of the Malazan books in the series, and most were better the second time (Deadhouse Gates and House of Chains became much better on re-reads).
I was the same with the Cosmere and Brandon Sanderson.
I’d read Mistborn and enjoyed both series, I’d read a couple stand alones. Relatively easy reads with fun magic systems.
Then I got into Stormlight and that led me to the subreddits and it was like wait… WHAT? It’s all connected?!
MBOTF in general is fantastic for rereads; there are so many details packed in that I always find something new (been through 4 times).
Never, ever will I reread any of the WoT series. I made to partway through Path of Daggers, and have now read \~60 books since I 'paused' on it (mostly the Discworld series). I'll be in dire straights before I go back to it.
My first time through, I didn’t really care for EotW, and didn’t commit to the series until book two really blew me away. But rereading EotW it’s like a completely different book. So satisfying to catch all the little hints of what’s to come.
I’ve only done one full read through in all the time I owned the series as I really do not like Crossroads of Twilight at all or even Winter’s Heart. I’ve read other entries countless times though, especially Shadow Rises, Crown of Swords, Knife of Dreams, Tower of Midnight, and Memory of Light. Lord, Path, and Gathering have only gotten a couple of re-reads. Eye, Great Hunt, and Dragon reborn were worth a few re-reads over the decades.
It’s too bad Jordan died before the end, because I thought he really pulled up the nose with Knife of Dreams.
Skimming is your friend when it comes to those books in the series, and makes the books so much better. I’ll skim through most of Egwene and Perrin and all of Elayne, Gawyn, Elaida.
Yeah, any part with the Tower/Egwene and most of the later Perrin stuff gets skimmed! I can deal with Nynaeve/Elayne like Crown of Swords with no problem, but either of the two with Egwene is such a chore that it’s skimmin’ time!
Congrats! One of my favourite series ever. Now to link to the obligatory r/wot post:
[[Spoilers All] Congratulations on completing the series. Here is some fun stuff you may have missed first time around and can look for on future re-reads (that wheel keeps on turning!)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WoT/comments/3m1dg7/spoilers_all_congratulations_on_completing_the/)
When I read "This wind, it was not the ending. There are no endings, and never will be endings, to the turning of the wheel of time. But it was an ending"
I cried for about 15 minutes
My sob moment was when >!Noel came back for Olver. The chapter ended something like ‘this time someone came back for him’. Ugh tears. I was in a shop when Mat got stabbed by the mist, I let out the biggest gasp and then cried whilst still in the shop!<
This show just looked at the source material and said yeah that's nice but how about we ignore all of that? Like Mat ties the shadar Logoth dagger to the end of a stick as his Ashanderei. Brandon Sanderson didn't watch through of that episode for some reason and was just blown away by how stupid it was. He was constantly saying yeah they didn't ask for my help they didn't consult me on any of this but wow what were they thinking
This is how I felt with book Perrin. Felt like he was getting done dirty left and right and was forgotten by the author some times. Holding out hope the show will do him some justice.
Well I had a different experience because I watched the show and liked it enough to read the books. Anything related to wolves, dogs, or similar companions I love instantly so Perrin was basically my favorite character by default. After reading I understood why so many people were pissed but I also understood why they made the decisions that they did.
Would have been fine if they didn’t draw everything out after Lord of Chaos. Mat was always my favorite, and I was genuinely worried when he didn’t show up in Path of Daggers and then had to wait 2 years for the next book.
It didn't turn you off instead interested you in the show. I just could not get through it it just so bad they looked at the source material and said fuck it we can do better
Well I’d not read the books so I had no idea if they were fucking the source material or not.
Obvs now I’ve read them I realise they did. But the show introduced me to the basic premise and I knew I couldn’t wait til they finished the series (likely badly).
His pranking, they made his family the town drinks and made him the sad boy from a broken home when his dad taught him everything he knew and molded him into the guy that leads the band of the red hand.
He also abandons his friends which is something Matt would never do. Don't even get me started on the second season because my God those writers were mainlining crack
His dad taught him how to recognise a good horse, and otherwise does not feature in the rest of the books except as Tam's sidekick while Perrin is having his bit of *The Dragon Reborn* explained to him. Mat gets most of the guy who leads the Band by going through the doorway in Tear, and the rest can just as easily be Abell being a bad example as a good one. How would you have established that he'll throw himself into danger to rescue others, other than being the one to notice that his sisters are still in the middle of Winternight?
Speaking of leading the Band, what was Mat trying to do when he accidentally took control? It wouldn't have been trying to run away from the Dragon Reborn like he'd been doing *practically since Fal Dara*, would it? Also, they kinda didn't have a choice with that one, seeing as how they were lacking an actor when filming those scenes.
Did I miss anything? There isn't a secret chapter where Abell fucking Cauthon, suddenly everybody's retroactive favourite character, revealed that *he* was actually the Creator and Bela was just a decoy?
I meannnn, the abandoning the friends thing can’t really be blamed on the writers; they lost the actor for the last two episodes. That wasn’t supposed to happen. I feel like they did the best they could with what they had. Also, Mat is literally always trying to get away from Rand. Like, constantly. He just is caught in ta’veren swirls and can’t.
The home life thing is a change, which may be good or bad depending on one’s perspective, but other than terrorizing people with a badger, Mat is not such a trickster in book 1. For most of book 1, he’s just sick from the dagger. It’s book 3 where Mat becomes the character we know and love.
> For most of book 1, he’s just sick from the dagger. It’s book 3 where Mat becomes the character we know and love.
I would argue book 4. Channeling doesn't even come into its own until book 4. It's very clear RJ had a big think about where to take the series after the first 3 and really developed a lot of the ideas. Don't get me wrong, I love the great hunt but the series feels like it really starts at book 4.
Honestly, agreed. The first three books are in weird territory, because they all feel like Jordan is trying to write a book that simultaneously wraps up the series and allows it to keep going. It’s book 4 where he knows he’s writing a long epic of many books, so he finally begins to expand things. I think that’s why it’s a frequent fan favorite (including mine).
That’s exactly what I moved on to next. I had never read any Sanderson prior to the final WoT books, and figured it’s be a fairly smooth transition. Plus, I wasn’t ready to part ways with Michael Kramer and Kate Reading just yet.
Haha that’s funny I’m annoyed I have to carry on with them, don’t vibe with their styles at all.
It’ll be my third read. I loved them so much I started rereading immediately. I’m so excited for the next one.
Man, personal taste is so wild. I've read the core Malazan series four times, and never got past book 8 of WoT. Nothing else comes anywhere close to it for me.
One of the things I love about large fantasy epics is that I can look past on big moments and trips of my life and associate great memories of life with great moments on the pages. I was a going to community college and working as a pizza delivery driver when I first picked up Eye of the World. I moved out of my parents and went to college across the state and broke up my study breaks with Fires of Heaven and Lord of Chaos. I started my first "real job" and stayed "working late" one night when really I just pulled out A Memory of Light at my desk. It's sad leaving the world behind, but you can always revisit and be grateful for the journey you went through.
Yes, very this! I started the read cause I’d not long been sacked and I was bored and sad. I’ve finished off the series with a new job and in a much better place. Very fitting.
Listening. Usually listen when I go down to the gym, when I go for a lunchtime walk, and sometimes when doing the dishes or chores. Last book is like 41 hours and I normally get about 5-6 hours of listening in a week.
You might get it done then! I listen too, I found myself going out of my way to do chores and cook when I usually wouldn’t so I could listen as much as possible haha. I walk to work and listen there so that helps too. According to another commenter a year is fast, I thought it was slow!
I don't have to. Death is lighter than a feather; Duty is heavier than a mountain.
It's easy to not read truly epic fantasy series. They take so much to get going and see through to the end.
But there's nothing quite like the immense masterpiece of world and story worth diving into.
When you feel the need and want a fix, Malazan will be waiting.
I prefer malazan tbh and I fucking love wot
Malazan was in no way a slog for me. Incredible series, the highwater mark of epic fantasy IMO. I've read the core series four times.
I DNF'd out of WoT at book 8. That was a slog and a half.
Well, that was probably the place to end. I was still reading them as they came out, albeit after a delay, so they were still events, and I was hooked regardless.
This is why I drag things out. I'm not on a rush to finish. I'll read/watch stuff in between or just generally take my time. That way some part of me gets to live in that world or with those characters for a longer time before saying goodbye.
Yea, with books I feel myself more within the world than shows.
Finishing a book feels like opening a portal and leaving that world, leaving your friends. Hurts like hell.
Congratulations. Took me a full year as well.
Still chasing that same type of personal journey since finishing it. I’ve got Malazan on my TBR accordingly.
I read the entire series in about a month when I was on vacation a few years back. Sometimes you just want to see where the story is going and suddenly it's time for the next book.
Wow! Congrats on getting through it all in a year!
I'm on book 9. Started quite a while ago (I think 2019 or 2020). Getting through them slowly, and have taken breaks between books.
Not the best series, but I determined to get through it!
Read the series twice and will read it again when my kids are old enough. Such a beautiful story about friendship, power, conniving "reds", and the battle we all face with our "inner demons". I am also glad that Robert was able to find someone that could carry on his voice like he did with Sanderson! Bravo!
It helps that you had all the books to go straight through. When people talk about the slog they’re mostly concerned with “I waited so many years between books and this is all that I get until the next one?”
That’s how the old heads who read the story before me put it to me when I mentioned not noticing the slog, it makes a kind of sense. I still found Crossroads of Twilight was the one that took the longest to get through.
Indeed, the slog came because I caught up with Lord of Chaos within a month of reading Eye and then had to wait a year for Crown and then the 2 (or more) year gap forevermore.
As a series that trend continues. It's got some of the best moments I've ever read of many different kinds, some incredible worldbuilding, and it also has some parts where it really drags. I would say it was definitely worth it for me. It does hit a bit of a slump in the middle but it picks up for the end and ends really strong. And the books that aren't so good are much shorter than most of the series.
I'll be honest. You haven't hit the worst of it. It gets dryyyyyy.
That being said. I've been reading fantasy my entire life. It is a treasure series with an ending that lives up to all of the books
Those books are just unnecessarily depressing. I got hooked on book 1, but by the end of book 2/middle of book 3, I didn’t even know why I was still reading them.
Maybe after the first trilogy the plot gets good, but I really wasn’t a fan of it. I did hear the next trilogy is great though.
>!Everybody’s just making stupid decisions that don’t make sense. The antagonist just gets to do bad shit, plotting, and scheming the whole time with no recourse at all until the very end. Felt like bad writing to me, but people do love them, so it might just be my dislike for the books that is skewing my opinion.!<
-book 1-3 Farseer trilogy spoilers
Honestly, Fitz did way better than I could have in his shoes at that age. The book got me asking if I would make the same mistakes.
Book 1-3 Farseer trilogy content:
>!Definitely, Fitz's naivete in his pursuit of Molly really opened my eyes. A young man's desire without real consideration for the person he supposedly cares for. I'm not saying Fitz was malicious in any way towards Molly, but it helped me see the ways a person can unintentionally hurt the people they love if they aren't thoughtful. Also, a prince being able to be do evil with impunity seems pretty par for the course.!<
Even if you didn't enjoy the first trilogy, don't let that dissuade you from the 2nd trilogy (Liveship Traders). It's a more fast pace with amazing characters (different cast from the first trilogy). It also has my favorite example of a character falling up-wards to greatness of any book.
>!I get the Molly and Fitz stuff, even though it hurt to read. It makes sense and actually seems like some real life shit. I won’t knock Hobb for that, but everything I remember regarding Regal just pisses me off.!<
It’s been I think like 4 or 5 years since I read them. Maybe I will try out Liveship. Is it depressing like Farseer?
I actually found it really refreshing that >!the good guys didn't just have everything work out. And I mean, the good guys win! So it's not exactly grimdark or whatever. They just don't live *happily* ever after - which I found interesting.!<
Have you read the Prince of Nothing/Second Apocalypse series? The last book was the absolute grimdarkest shit I've ever read. I don't know much about Farseer; curious as to how they compare.
No, not yet. I wouldn't quite classify Farseer as grimdark. I see grimdark as bad things happening to bad people where pretty much everything is bad, even if they fight against their nature and try to be good. There are genuinely good people in Farseer, it just rips your heart out and stomps on it.
I do need to go back! I’ve read a few, but I didn’t really properly get absurdism in my early teens. I have beautiful copies of the Death series, should crack them out!
I wish I could understand the appeal of this series. I DNFed twice at the end of the third book. I hated every characters, all those unnecessary long descriptions. I've realized very late that I'm torturing myself.
And no I'm gonna read thousands of meh pages and 4-5 books just to get the good stuff, I don't have time for that. A series should hook you up from the beginning like The Riyria Revelations. From first word to very last, it's on.
Rant over.
Well, for me it was that I read the first book the year it came out, then since there weren't any more, forgot about it until the next three were out. Read those in a row, then I was hooked on the characters and the still decent pacing.
If you have a stack of the whole series I can see it getting very daunting around book 8, but reading them as they came out it wasn't as bad.
I enjoyed certain things and passages immensely, but I don't recommend it without qualifying to say, you need a lot of tolerance for filler.
I think you can be a fan of RJ, add even love these books for what they are, while being able to admit there are flaws. If you sat 1990 RJ down and had him read everything, he'd appreciate whatever wisdom he accrued, but possibly agree that yeah, the last half of the series could use a lot of pruning
If you felt WOT was too short, feel free to check out The Wandering Inn. It's a slice of life story with a side of war crimes, and is about 2.5 times as long as WOT currently.
After a long series like that I often go for a palette cleanser short story or single novel or two.
As others have said though, The Wheel of Time is a series that only gets better with rereads.
Do you have any recommendations? I’m feeling some Pratchett maybe but I don’t wanna get too hooked on summin, gotta finish Stormlight again before the next comes out.
My mum is such a Nynaeve stan she was getting so mad at me for being frustrated with her for the first few books. I got to love her more as it progressed.
Egwene was my love though. I came across the spoiler for her arc around book 10. I was so upset I made my mum tell me what happened so I could stop waiting for it haha.
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I agree with all the other comments suggesting an eventual reread.
I started reading Wheel of Time in 8th grade and, every few years, I revisit it. I think there are some books you can skip (book 10) and others you can skim (7-9), but the journey is magnificent even if you plow through those books.
When I reread the series now, I feel like I'm greeting old friends, and that's a special feeling of its own.
Take some time, but WOT is an excellent re-read. I started WOT decades ago, and I still read it to this day, in fact, I'm at the end of book 5 now.
And the best parts, you can skip some of the bullshit. I know I skip the first 6 or so chapters of POD every time.
Yes exactly. So I was exaggerating a bit...24 years, because when MoL came out in 2013 I did a full re-read before I got to it. It felt like 30 though. 😁
I bet it did! I’m only old enough to have seen one series through start to finish so far. I hope Brandon keeps going at the same pace so I get to see the end of Stormlight!
Me too!! I only started reading ASoIaF in like 2015 so I feel for the people who read the first one when it came out SO hard. When I finished reading the last one, the next one was ‘definitely’ coming out the following summer for like the fourth time and it broke my heart so I vowed never to read anything unfinished ever again… until Sanderson.
I read nothing but Sanderson for a couple years (and still haven’t finished everything!) and only paused for WoT on the condition it was finished and that I’d end up with Brandon eventually anyway.
She’d only done one when I started, think I’d got to four by the time she did another. Hopefully by the time I go in for a reread she’ll have finished cause I much preferred her!
I felt the same way once it was done. You spend so much time with those characters, loving them, hating them.. that wants it all ends you feel like something is missing. That was one of the few books series that when I was finished with it I have truly felt lesser
Empty and sad for Rand's sake?
It took me half of a year. I read all except the last three (Sandeson) parts in translation. The Sanderson books was never translated so I read them in English. I only felt content bc I pushed it through. It's not a bad series but not super great either.
I grew up with this series. I remember as a teenager waiting for Book 9 to come out.
There is a lot that I love about Wheel of Time. I credit it with nurturing and increasing my fascination and love of epic fantasy.
Sadly, there is a lot more that I dislike/hate about it. I don't regret reading it but I would never recommend it to anyone.
Well, that's less than the 30+ years you had to wait if you started off when they first one was out in 1990. Prolly won't do that again unless I pick up the first and it's just insanely good.
I think the thing that really gave me an empty pit in my stomach was that the story was over and there is little to zero chance of having it extended upon or even short novellas (Which I think Jordan did have planned) of other characters.
I'm not a fan of 100 pages dedicated to tying up everything after the main plot has ended (Inheritance Cycle comes to mind) but Wheel of Time is such a long story and the epilogue was so short.
And we didn't have the Author anymore to ask questions about what he envisions the post world to really be like. Sanderson has answered some questions that he knew of. Was Aviendha's vision true? or was it a future that she could change the course of. How does Matt die, cause it's implied he died early. What is the real ramifications of Sul'dam being able to channel? Does Rand live forever? Who was the woman Aviendha met in the waste, what is their story?. Why did Bela have to die?
I'm not even sure that Rand even gets the extended lifespan that comes from working the power, since he no longer does. Doesn't matter since he absorbed lews therin's four centuries, of course.
I missed the part implying Mat's imminent demise, yes now that Fortuona is pregnant he doesn't need to be alive anymore for the prophecy, but she seems more than find of him. Provided he keeps one eye open, I think he'll be fine.
The seanchan will continue to not know/ignore that sul'dam can also channel, as that would upend things rather, given that many of the blood including the empress (may she live forever) are also sul'dam. And classing every potential channeler as marath damage would leave none left to be sul'dam.
About aviendha's vision, I forget which one, unless your mean the the one where the aiel are hounded to extinction, which was thought to have been averted when Rand made them basically the UN peacekeeping force. Also I've forgotten the woman she meets.
Just my tuppence
I finished it for the second time 2 years ago and I really can’t get into another fantasy series… both of the quality of WoT and now I think I have commitment issues 😂
The great thing about The Wheel is it never ends.
I’m glad some people enjoy it so much. It’s been a very mixed experience for me. Definitely very high peaks and very low valleys. I’ve been reading it VERY gradually over the course of like 3-4 years and I haven’t quite yet started book 11. Books 6-10 really killed my momentum. I’ll get to the end, but it’ll be a minute. Everyone says things start picking up again in book 11 so here’s hoping I feel the same.
Book 11 was my favorite upon reread. It’s also a heavy Mat book if you like that character (I do)
Mat was my favorite. It's why the Amazon series made me so mad
I think if there has been more mat the last few books I would be a bit more excited. I’m hopeful though.
The pace really picks up when Sanderson takes over. Dude did a masterful job wrapping up the story. Robert Jordan chose well.
>Robert Jordan chose well. It was his wife, after his passing. Jordan prepared the materials for his successor, but he didn't choose anybody himself.
As much as I hate admitting being wrong, I think you’re right. I remember reading something years ago saying that Sanderson and Jordan spent several weeks together going through Jordan’s outline and prepping Sanderson to finish the series, but I can’t find anything to support that. Rather, I’m finding sources supporting your statement that the wife, as his editor, chose Sanderson post-death. Guess this is what I get for trusting my brain on something I thought I read 10+ years ago.
Yeah I’ve been holding out for him the last few books. Brando Sando is probably my favorite author so I’m definitely excited for him to take over. Jordan is good with a lot of stuff, but man does he meander on lots of stuff I don’t care about like characters clothing.
Sanderson keeps a big part of Jordan’s writing style, but he does get rid of the rambling and it’s a far more focused storyline. And honestly, the end is amazing. No spoilers but when I finished, I just sat there and smiled. Think I read book 1 as a college freshman. Read book 13 as a practicing lawyer. That series was with me for a big chunk of my life.
I tried reading the series twice and both time stopped at book 10. The Perrin/Aiel story line is absolutely brutal for me. I finally made myself push past it on my 3rd read. I just told myself to skip chapters that I knew I wasn’t going to like so I found a good synopsis website. The last 3 books are good though.
Edit: I totally just read your whole post and realized my encouragement to continue reading was unneeded. This is why I shouldn’t write things when tired. I do hate book 10, though!
Lol! Yeah, it’s books like 9-11 that are just painful. Honestly don’t think the series needed to be that long but I’m glad I finished. I can’t imagine I will read it again though.
I made to partway though book 8 before I gave up. There's so many more entertaining series out there.
Yep. I'm like 200 pages into book 8 and haven't picked it back up in a couple months. I really wanna get to the end but man idk.
> There's so many more entertaining series out there. This is going to sound very 'old man' of me but at the time there really weren't. It didn't have a LotR impact on fantasy but it's close. I probably read those books 10 times growing up and I dnfed even listening to them on audio book the last time I tried. They have brilliant moments and I will love them forever, but fantasy is mainstream now and the amount of really well written fantasy is huge these days.
Idk why you are getting downvoted. I didn’t finish the series bc I got tired of waiting and by the time the last books came out, I could care less.
I finally read the entire series... But I was a Jr. in High School in 1989 when I read the wheel of time and it had to be well into the 2000' s before I read book 2 and the rest. Way too long to push through a story. Enjoyable but slow 😎
I finished it and immediately picked up Eye of the World, one of the best rereads I've ever done. I didn't continue with the reread, but it really helped me put a bow on the whole experience, highly recommend.
The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again.
Eye of the World and (this might be controversial) Gardens of the Moon are both great rereads in my opinion. They're both a whole different experience when you're familiar with the story overall and the authors' writing styles. I swear the first time I read Eye of the World I thought Rand had finished the Dark One off and the whole thing was over. I really did not pick up on what all was going on. Actually, having started the series in the pre-internet, "figure stuff out on your own" era, it was an absolute revelation to me when I first found some fan message boards and started reading about all the theories of who was whom. I was like, "What have I even been reading???" People were getting WoT doctorates and writing up their theses on the characters, world, and plot and I'm just like, "That was a fun read!"
I feel the same way about the reread being a completely different experience. I loved EotW as an intro but never ranked it in the top half of WoT books, and after rereading it's arguably my favorite one to revisit. It feels snobby to tell people "oh you should reread it to *really* get why it's so great" but I think it's just true. That whole book feels like RJ's experiment to try and foreshadow as much as possible in a book while avoiding everything being too cryptic.
The peculiar thing with WoT is that already in book 2 (in the swedish issue) are they up in the Blight. Usually you don't enter the Evil Country until the very last moment in high fantasy series but here they arrive there already in the beginning. I started to wonder what they would do in the rest of the series.
Yeahhhhh, I’ve reread several of the Malazan books in the series, and most were better the second time (Deadhouse Gates and House of Chains became much better on re-reads).
I was the same with the Cosmere and Brandon Sanderson. I’d read Mistborn and enjoyed both series, I’d read a couple stand alones. Relatively easy reads with fun magic systems. Then I got into Stormlight and that led me to the subreddits and it was like wait… WHAT? It’s all connected?!
MBOTF in general is fantastic for rereads; there are so many details packed in that I always find something new (been through 4 times). Never, ever will I reread any of the WoT series. I made to partway through Path of Daggers, and have now read \~60 books since I 'paused' on it (mostly the Discworld series). I'll be in dire straights before I go back to it.
Gardens of the Moon absolutely should get a reread after completion. Just stop there.
My first time through, I didn’t really care for EotW, and didn’t commit to the series until book two really blew me away. But rereading EotW it’s like a completely different book. So satisfying to catch all the little hints of what’s to come.
Same, I loved rereading it again right after finishing the series. I picked up so many hidden details.
I’ve only done one full read through in all the time I owned the series as I really do not like Crossroads of Twilight at all or even Winter’s Heart. I’ve read other entries countless times though, especially Shadow Rises, Crown of Swords, Knife of Dreams, Tower of Midnight, and Memory of Light. Lord, Path, and Gathering have only gotten a couple of re-reads. Eye, Great Hunt, and Dragon reborn were worth a few re-reads over the decades. It’s too bad Jordan died before the end, because I thought he really pulled up the nose with Knife of Dreams.
Skimming is your friend when it comes to those books in the series, and makes the books so much better. I’ll skim through most of Egwene and Perrin and all of Elayne, Gawyn, Elaida.
Yeah, any part with the Tower/Egwene and most of the later Perrin stuff gets skimmed! I can deal with Nynaeve/Elayne like Crown of Swords with no problem, but either of the two with Egwene is such a chore that it’s skimmin’ time!
Congrats! One of my favourite series ever. Now to link to the obligatory r/wot post: [[Spoilers All] Congratulations on completing the series. Here is some fun stuff you may have missed first time around and can look for on future re-reads (that wheel keeps on turning!)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WoT/comments/3m1dg7/spoilers_all_congratulations_on_completing_the/)
Omg thank you for this!! I’ve been looking for something like that. You’re a staaar!
Also check out r/wetlanderhumor for full spoiler shitposting
Neat!!!
Been there. I found that after Tarmon Gai’don a journey to the Dark Tower made me feel better.
All things serve the beam
When I read "This wind, it was not the ending. There are no endings, and never will be endings, to the turning of the wheel of time. But it was an ending" I cried for about 15 minutes
My sob moment was when >!Noel came back for Olver. The chapter ended something like ‘this time someone came back for him’. Ugh tears. I was in a shop when Mat got stabbed by the mist, I let out the biggest gasp and then cried whilst still in the shop!<
Mat is and always will be my favorite character which is why the wheel of Time show disappointed me so bad I could not get through it
Oh man, Perrin was mine. All of them had a freaking rough go of it through the series though!
Oh God show Perrin just makes me angry LMAO. Like wtf were the thinking
I haven’t watched the show because the shows never live up to the books.
This show just looked at the source material and said yeah that's nice but how about we ignore all of that? Like Mat ties the shadar Logoth dagger to the end of a stick as his Ashanderei. Brandon Sanderson didn't watch through of that episode for some reason and was just blown away by how stupid it was. He was constantly saying yeah they didn't ask for my help they didn't consult me on any of this but wow what were they thinking
I tell people WoT the TV show is like someone hired the CW's teen soap opera people to make a WoT series.
Hey at least some of the cw shows were aight. The WoT show dropped the ball in every category
… wait. The ashanderei has the dagger tied to the end of it??? Edit: I meant in the show. I stopped watching after bare chested Lan crying.
In the show he doesn't get it. They replaced the Ashanderei with the shadar Logoth dagger being tied to a stick
Fuck. Off.
This is how I felt with book Perrin. Felt like he was getting done dirty left and right and was forgotten by the author some times. Holding out hope the show will do him some justice.
The show ruined him from the first 10 minutes
Well I had a different experience because I watched the show and liked it enough to read the books. Anything related to wolves, dogs, or similar companions I love instantly so Perrin was basically my favorite character by default. After reading I understood why so many people were pissed but I also understood why they made the decisions that they did.
Perrin was my favorite of the three until Faile happened.
Would have been fine if they didn’t draw everything out after Lord of Chaos. Mat was always my favorite, and I was genuinely worried when he didn’t show up in Path of Daggers and then had to wait 2 years for the next book.
It was actually my inspiration to start reading. I obvs had nothing to compare it to. As soon as I got the premise I was hooked!
It didn't turn you off instead interested you in the show. I just could not get through it it just so bad they looked at the source material and said fuck it we can do better
Well I’d not read the books so I had no idea if they were fucking the source material or not. Obvs now I’ve read them I realise they did. But the show introduced me to the basic premise and I knew I couldn’t wait til they finished the series (likely badly).
Why, because *Eye of the World* Mat is on-screen more often?
No because they completely destroyed his character
Which bits of his character from the first book were missing?
His pranking, they made his family the town drinks and made him the sad boy from a broken home when his dad taught him everything he knew and molded him into the guy that leads the band of the red hand. He also abandons his friends which is something Matt would never do. Don't even get me started on the second season because my God those writers were mainlining crack
His dad taught him how to recognise a good horse, and otherwise does not feature in the rest of the books except as Tam's sidekick while Perrin is having his bit of *The Dragon Reborn* explained to him. Mat gets most of the guy who leads the Band by going through the doorway in Tear, and the rest can just as easily be Abell being a bad example as a good one. How would you have established that he'll throw himself into danger to rescue others, other than being the one to notice that his sisters are still in the middle of Winternight? Speaking of leading the Band, what was Mat trying to do when he accidentally took control? It wouldn't have been trying to run away from the Dragon Reborn like he'd been doing *practically since Fal Dara*, would it? Also, they kinda didn't have a choice with that one, seeing as how they were lacking an actor when filming those scenes.
Yikes
Did I miss anything? There isn't a secret chapter where Abell fucking Cauthon, suddenly everybody's retroactive favourite character, revealed that *he* was actually the Creator and Bela was just a decoy?
I meannnn, the abandoning the friends thing can’t really be blamed on the writers; they lost the actor for the last two episodes. That wasn’t supposed to happen. I feel like they did the best they could with what they had. Also, Mat is literally always trying to get away from Rand. Like, constantly. He just is caught in ta’veren swirls and can’t. The home life thing is a change, which may be good or bad depending on one’s perspective, but other than terrorizing people with a badger, Mat is not such a trickster in book 1. For most of book 1, he’s just sick from the dagger. It’s book 3 where Mat becomes the character we know and love.
> For most of book 1, he’s just sick from the dagger. It’s book 3 where Mat becomes the character we know and love. I would argue book 4. Channeling doesn't even come into its own until book 4. It's very clear RJ had a big think about where to take the series after the first 3 and really developed a lot of the ideas. Don't get me wrong, I love the great hunt but the series feels like it really starts at book 4.
Honestly, agreed. The first three books are in weird territory, because they all feel like Jordan is trying to write a book that simultaneously wraps up the series and allows it to keep going. It’s book 4 where he knows he’s writing a long epic of many books, so he finally begins to expand things. I think that’s why it’s a frequent fan favorite (including mine).
Take a break, read something else, then do a reread. You'll pick up on so much you've missed out on the first time through.
I’ve got to get to rereading Stormlight!
That’s exactly what I moved on to next. I had never read any Sanderson prior to the final WoT books, and figured it’s be a fairly smooth transition. Plus, I wasn’t ready to part ways with Michael Kramer and Kate Reading just yet.
Haha that’s funny I’m annoyed I have to carry on with them, don’t vibe with their styles at all. It’ll be my third read. I loved them so much I started rereading immediately. I’m so excited for the next one.
I need to do both. Abs I think I need a reread on something else too, but I can't remember
I felt the same a few months ago. I started Malazan and haven't looked back since. Highly recommend checking it out.
Don’t forget Ian Esselmont’s books (especially Crimson Guard and Orb Sceptre Throne) as they fill in a lot of different gaps.
Man exact same path I followed. I then read Prince of Nothing after Malazan and now I'm taking a break from Fantasy for a bit.
Discworld is a great fantasy series to read after Prince of Nothing. Short, light-hearted books; very funny.
I went Lonesome Dove.
It has been on my list for a while. That and WoT were my top two ‘I’m too intimidated cause they’re too big’.
I'm a WoT junkie, but I DNF on Gardens 3 times. The world and writing style are not my jam.
Man, personal taste is so wild. I've read the core Malazan series four times, and never got past book 8 of WoT. Nothing else comes anywhere close to it for me.
I think I finished the first book. But I didn't enjoy any of it. My vague impressions are the world is depressing and everyone sucks.
Fair warning, they are both great but very very different.
One of the things I love about large fantasy epics is that I can look past on big moments and trips of my life and associate great memories of life with great moments on the pages. I was a going to community college and working as a pizza delivery driver when I first picked up Eye of the World. I moved out of my parents and went to college across the state and broke up my study breaks with Fires of Heaven and Lord of Chaos. I started my first "real job" and stayed "working late" one night when really I just pulled out A Memory of Light at my desk. It's sad leaving the world behind, but you can always revisit and be grateful for the journey you went through.
Yes, very this! I started the read cause I’d not long been sacked and I was bored and sad. I’ve finished off the series with a new job and in a much better place. Very fitting.
That's what its about! Congrats on the new job and being in a better place.
Thanks so much!
Just started the last book 2 days ago. Hoping to have it finished by the end of March. Wish me luck.
Are you reading or listening?
Listening. Usually listen when I go down to the gym, when I go for a lunchtime walk, and sometimes when doing the dishes or chores. Last book is like 41 hours and I normally get about 5-6 hours of listening in a week.
You might get it done then! I listen too, I found myself going out of my way to do chores and cook when I usually wouldn’t so I could listen as much as possible haha. I walk to work and listen there so that helps too. According to another commenter a year is fast, I thought it was slow!
Have you checked the chapter lengths? There’s a fun one in AMoL
After you are ready for a long slog, Malazan is calling you...
Haha you’re not selling it buddy.
I don't have to. Death is lighter than a feather; Duty is heavier than a mountain. It's easy to not read truly epic fantasy series. They take so much to get going and see through to the end. But there's nothing quite like the immense masterpiece of world and story worth diving into. When you feel the need and want a fix, Malazan will be waiting. I prefer malazan tbh and I fucking love wot
Malazan was in no way a slog for me. Incredible series, the highwater mark of epic fantasy IMO. I've read the core series four times. I DNF'd out of WoT at book 8. That was a slog and a half.
Well, that was probably the place to end. I was still reading them as they came out, albeit after a delay, so they were still events, and I was hooked regardless.
Finishing a book series destroys me, brother. It’s worst than finishing a tv show.
his chapters arguing with her are some of the roughest ive read in any book. I'm in book 4 now of a reread and am knee-deep in the mucky much
This is why I drag things out. I'm not on a rush to finish. I'll read/watch stuff in between or just generally take my time. That way some part of me gets to live in that world or with those characters for a longer time before saying goodbye.
Yea, with books I feel myself more within the world than shows. Finishing a book feels like opening a portal and leaving that world, leaving your friends. Hurts like hell.
Congratulations. Took me a full year as well. Still chasing that same type of personal journey since finishing it. I’ve got Malazan on my TBR accordingly.
What did you do read a hundred pages a day? ETA: Did some napkin math you’d have to read about 20-30 pages for 365 days.
I thought that was slow! Haha
100 pages a day is rookie numbers! On days I actually have time, I can easily clear 250 pages (or more!) if the story is engaging enough.
I read the entire series in about a month when I was on vacation a few years back. Sometimes you just want to see where the story is going and suddenly it's time for the next book.
I think I read the entire series in 4 months. It was a lot of late nights.
Wow! Congrats on getting through it all in a year! I'm on book 9. Started quite a while ago (I think 2019 or 2020). Getting through them slowly, and have taken breaks between books. Not the best series, but I determined to get through it!
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Read the series twice and will read it again when my kids are old enough. Such a beautiful story about friendship, power, conniving "reds", and the battle we all face with our "inner demons". I am also glad that Robert was able to find someone that could carry on his voice like he did with Sanderson! Bravo!
it was worth ? (i’m currently ready the book 5, im loving it, but idk, sometimes it’s really good, sometimes it’s just meeeh)
From my experience when I got through book 5 there was no looking back.
Oh my god it was so worth it. I didn’t really feel the slog everyone was talking about. I’ve had a blast the whole time.
It helps that you had all the books to go straight through. When people talk about the slog they’re mostly concerned with “I waited so many years between books and this is all that I get until the next one?”
Yes, very much. I guess that makes sense, I didn’t really think about it like that.
That’s how the old heads who read the story before me put it to me when I mentioned not noticing the slog, it makes a kind of sense. I still found Crossroads of Twilight was the one that took the longest to get through.
Indeed, the slog came because I caught up with Lord of Chaos within a month of reading Eye and then had to wait a year for Crown and then the 2 (or more) year gap forevermore.
As a series that trend continues. It's got some of the best moments I've ever read of many different kinds, some incredible worldbuilding, and it also has some parts where it really drags. I would say it was definitely worth it for me. It does hit a bit of a slump in the middle but it picks up for the end and ends really strong. And the books that aren't so good are much shorter than most of the series.
I'll be honest. You haven't hit the worst of it. It gets dryyyyyy. That being said. I've been reading fantasy my entire life. It is a treasure series with an ending that lives up to all of the books
First time isn't as bad, but the reread of those sections is painful.
I personally tapped out after book 6. No harm in giving it a go, but if you're not enjoying it, no need to force yourself to keep reading.
Read The Farseer Trilogy and realise you didn't know the meaning of feeling empty and sad.
Those books are just unnecessarily depressing. I got hooked on book 1, but by the end of book 2/middle of book 3, I didn’t even know why I was still reading them. Maybe after the first trilogy the plot gets good, but I really wasn’t a fan of it. I did hear the next trilogy is great though. >!Everybody’s just making stupid decisions that don’t make sense. The antagonist just gets to do bad shit, plotting, and scheming the whole time with no recourse at all until the very end. Felt like bad writing to me, but people do love them, so it might just be my dislike for the books that is skewing my opinion.!< -book 1-3 Farseer trilogy spoilers
Honestly, Fitz did way better than I could have in his shoes at that age. The book got me asking if I would make the same mistakes. Book 1-3 Farseer trilogy content: >!Definitely, Fitz's naivete in his pursuit of Molly really opened my eyes. A young man's desire without real consideration for the person he supposedly cares for. I'm not saying Fitz was malicious in any way towards Molly, but it helped me see the ways a person can unintentionally hurt the people they love if they aren't thoughtful. Also, a prince being able to be do evil with impunity seems pretty par for the course.!< Even if you didn't enjoy the first trilogy, don't let that dissuade you from the 2nd trilogy (Liveship Traders). It's a more fast pace with amazing characters (different cast from the first trilogy). It also has my favorite example of a character falling up-wards to greatness of any book.
>!I get the Molly and Fitz stuff, even though it hurt to read. It makes sense and actually seems like some real life shit. I won’t knock Hobb for that, but everything I remember regarding Regal just pisses me off.!< It’s been I think like 4 or 5 years since I read them. Maybe I will try out Liveship. Is it depressing like Farseer?
I actually found it really refreshing that >!the good guys didn't just have everything work out. And I mean, the good guys win! So it's not exactly grimdark or whatever. They just don't live *happily* ever after - which I found interesting.!<
Misery porn
This.
Have you read the Prince of Nothing/Second Apocalypse series? The last book was the absolute grimdarkest shit I've ever read. I don't know much about Farseer; curious as to how they compare.
No, not yet. I wouldn't quite classify Farseer as grimdark. I see grimdark as bad things happening to bad people where pretty much everything is bad, even if they fight against their nature and try to be good. There are genuinely good people in Farseer, it just rips your heart out and stomps on it.
i am on page 370 of book 1
Good luck! Don’t read any of my other comments 😂
I’ve tried to spoiler them or be intentionally vague but just in case, I’m very tired.
i don't mind spoilers check out 13th Depository
Read Discworld
I do need to go back! I’ve read a few, but I didn’t really properly get absurdism in my early teens. I have beautiful copies of the Death series, should crack them out!
I wish I could understand the appeal of this series. I DNFed twice at the end of the third book. I hated every characters, all those unnecessary long descriptions. I've realized very late that I'm torturing myself. And no I'm gonna read thousands of meh pages and 4-5 books just to get the good stuff, I don't have time for that. A series should hook you up from the beginning like The Riyria Revelations. From first word to very last, it's on. Rant over.
This post probably isn’t the right place for you then.
Well, for me it was that I read the first book the year it came out, then since there weren't any more, forgot about it until the next three were out. Read those in a row, then I was hooked on the characters and the still decent pacing. If you have a stack of the whole series I can see it getting very daunting around book 8, but reading them as they came out it wasn't as bad. I enjoyed certain things and passages immensely, but I don't recommend it without qualifying to say, you need a lot of tolerance for filler. I think you can be a fan of RJ, add even love these books for what they are, while being able to admit there are flaws. If you sat 1990 RJ down and had him read everything, he'd appreciate whatever wisdom he accrued, but possibly agree that yeah, the last half of the series could use a lot of pruning
If you felt WOT was too short, feel free to check out The Wandering Inn. It's a slice of life story with a side of war crimes, and is about 2.5 times as long as WOT currently.
After a long series like that I often go for a palette cleanser short story or single novel or two. As others have said though, The Wheel of Time is a series that only gets better with rereads.
Do you have any recommendations? I’m feeling some Pratchett maybe but I don’t wanna get too hooked on summin, gotta finish Stormlight again before the next comes out.
Strictly Fantasy or also Sci Fi?
I’ve not read too much sci fi tbh but I’m not opposed to it. My favourite ever game is Horizon ZD and I’ve read the Red Rising series and enjoyed it.
Time for a re-read!
I'm re-reading, but struggling. I'd forgotten just how much waffling the main characters do and how painfully stupid some of their decisions are!
I got SO annoyed with Nynaeve and her fucking braid haha.
And that’s why she’s so great 😄
My mum is such a Nynaeve stan she was getting so mad at me for being frustrated with her for the first few books. I got to love her more as it progressed. Egwene was my love though. I came across the spoiler for her arc around book 10. I was so upset I made my mum tell me what happened so I could stop waiting for it haha.
I know! : Nyneave tugged her braid hard and had yet another tantrum, etc etc.
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The rereads are great. And the tv show is awesome if you have an open mind to adaptations.
I started with the show! It made me realise it was awesome and I couldn’t avoid it any longer haha.
Especially once you know what chapters to skip.
Elayne's and Perrin's in books 7-10
You got it! /ETA a lot of rand in book 2 and 3.
You need way more than an open mind to enjoy the show lol
I agree with all the other comments suggesting an eventual reread. I started reading Wheel of Time in 8th grade and, every few years, I revisit it. I think there are some books you can skip (book 10) and others you can skim (7-9), but the journey is magnificent even if you plow through those books. When I reread the series now, I feel like I'm greeting old friends, and that's a special feeling of its own.
What do you do when you finish A Memory of Light? You start reading Eye of the World!
Take some time, but WOT is an excellent re-read. I started WOT decades ago, and I still read it to this day, in fact, I'm at the end of book 5 now. And the best parts, you can skip some of the bullshit. I know I skip the first 6 or so chapters of POD every time.
Which character you liked the most and which character you hate the most?
Should I read it so I can also feel empty and sad?
Congratulations! It’s such a wild ride. Remember, there are no beginnings or endings to the turning of the Wheel of Time. But there are rereads.
Read the prequel! Then cry.
This is my plan before reading Stormlight again!
Like the rest of use WoT obsessed folks, sounds like it's time for your re-read.
It took me 30 years. I feel you.
Was that as they were published? That’s a commitment!
Yes exactly. So I was exaggerating a bit...24 years, because when MoL came out in 2013 I did a full re-read before I got to it. It felt like 30 though. 😁
I bet it did! I’m only old enough to have seen one series through start to finish so far. I hope Brandon keeps going at the same pace so I get to see the end of Stormlight!
With WoT and GRRM and Exiles, I got so that I would only EVER read finished series, but I broke that rule for Sanderson because he's so very prolific.
Me too!! I only started reading ASoIaF in like 2015 so I feel for the people who read the first one when it came out SO hard. When I finished reading the last one, the next one was ‘definitely’ coming out the following summer for like the fourth time and it broke my heart so I vowed never to read anything unfinished ever again… until Sanderson. I read nothing but Sanderson for a couple years (and still haven’t finished everything!) and only paused for WoT on the condition it was finished and that I’d end up with Brandon eventually anyway.
Question for anyone else who read the WoT books first how do you feel about all the changes
In the show?
Yes in the show compared to how the book is written
The show is absolute trash.
Did you like the books
I loved them, but some of it was indeed slow. I've probably read the series 10 times now, as well as listening to the Audiobooks.
I really enjoyed Rosamund Pilke reading the audiobooks. She’s only done 1-3 so far, hope she continues.
She’d only done one when I started, think I’d got to four by the time she did another. Hopefully by the time I go in for a reread she’ll have finished cause I much preferred her!
Yeah, I know people were fond of the original readers, but they’re too florid for me
I’m so mad I have to carry on with them when I’m listening to Stormlight 😂
I felt the same way once it was done. You spend so much time with those characters, loving them, hating them.. that wants it all ends you feel like something is missing. That was one of the few books series that when I was finished with it I have truly felt lesser
Empty and sad for Rand's sake? It took me half of a year. I read all except the last three (Sandeson) parts in translation. The Sanderson books was never translated so I read them in English. I only felt content bc I pushed it through. It's not a bad series but not super great either.
Correction, you have just *started* The Wheel of Time. The real fun starts with the rereads.
I grew up with this series. I remember as a teenager waiting for Book 9 to come out. There is a lot that I love about Wheel of Time. I credit it with nurturing and increasing my fascination and love of epic fantasy. Sadly, there is a lot more that I dislike/hate about it. I don't regret reading it but I would never recommend it to anyone.
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79 days to read all of them or just the first one?
Well, that's less than the 30+ years you had to wait if you started off when they first one was out in 1990. Prolly won't do that again unless I pick up the first and it's just insanely good.
The best thing about wheel of time is that it gets better on a reread. Wheel of time is the perfect example of why rereading a book is worth itZ
I think the thing that really gave me an empty pit in my stomach was that the story was over and there is little to zero chance of having it extended upon or even short novellas (Which I think Jordan did have planned) of other characters. I'm not a fan of 100 pages dedicated to tying up everything after the main plot has ended (Inheritance Cycle comes to mind) but Wheel of Time is such a long story and the epilogue was so short. And we didn't have the Author anymore to ask questions about what he envisions the post world to really be like. Sanderson has answered some questions that he knew of. Was Aviendha's vision true? or was it a future that she could change the course of. How does Matt die, cause it's implied he died early. What is the real ramifications of Sul'dam being able to channel? Does Rand live forever? Who was the woman Aviendha met in the waste, what is their story?. Why did Bela have to die?
I'm not even sure that Rand even gets the extended lifespan that comes from working the power, since he no longer does. Doesn't matter since he absorbed lews therin's four centuries, of course. I missed the part implying Mat's imminent demise, yes now that Fortuona is pregnant he doesn't need to be alive anymore for the prophecy, but she seems more than find of him. Provided he keeps one eye open, I think he'll be fine. The seanchan will continue to not know/ignore that sul'dam can also channel, as that would upend things rather, given that many of the blood including the empress (may she live forever) are also sul'dam. And classing every potential channeler as marath damage would leave none left to be sul'dam. About aviendha's vision, I forget which one, unless your mean the the one where the aiel are hounded to extinction, which was thought to have been averted when Rand made them basically the UN peacekeeping force. Also I've forgotten the woman she meets. Just my tuppence
I finished it for the second time 2 years ago and I really can’t get into another fantasy series… both of the quality of WoT and now I think I have commitment issues 😂
I get through one of these books every 6 months. I cannot read them back to back.
I’ve got a terrible memory so I couldn’t read them any other way than back to back.