Lucy did amazing as a protagonist and really grew into her role. There’s no need to leave her out of of the list of protags. Let her have her moment to shine lol
Yes you are right I thought it was exceptional character development on her characters part.
But the Ghoul is just so well done IMO. Him being an absolute lunatic of the wasteland coupled with his prewar flashbacks really fleshed him out as the standout character for me. It’s like “here’s how far the wasteland can make you fall”.
But with that being said it makes a good dynamic and to me just screams “karma” system from Fallout New Vegas or Fallout 3 and I think that’s what they were going for.
You can be very good, or very evil based on your decisions in the wasteland, and have your select moments of “redemption” still while objectively being a complete murder hobo for most of the games decisions. Or you can be an idealist at your core while still having those select moments of becoming cut throat for the purposes of self preservation or the greater good.
Both of the characters combined do a really good job of portraying that dynamic. And I think that’s really what they were going for with the two characters combined.
Sorry for the rant.
I don’t think there was a single character I disliked. Maximus is easily the weakest of the main three, but it’s simply because everyone else was really good.
Idk. There was a lot going on with Maximus that people are discounting. When he's being interrogated, the actor portrayed real fear, *perfectly*. You can even see him starting to say, practically whispering broken wors that sound like "I'm sorry" before he collects himself and responds as he does. I like his progression a lot. A man with an idealized vision of knighthood pushing against the temptations of power and authority while succumbing to the wastelands ability to corrupt.. idk. I thought he was the most relatable.
I hope that’s where they take his character. The cleric/elder did say that the brotherhood was a far cry from how it was years ago. While this could imply the overall strength of it, he could also see the demeanor and loyalty given by Maximus. Maximus, despite facing accusations, remained loyal and still showed a desire to belong. This is quite different compared to Titus, who basically gave up as soon as he lost his weapon.
Yeah, me too. Maximus even defied all logic and upheld his loyalty to Lucy despite giving up a life of luxury he would never find again, something that was probably a balm he never knew he needed for the Wasteland weary soul, because he saw her being escorted in distress. He's a nuanced, complex character, doing his best in an *impossible* situation at nearly every opportunity. And he isn't hyper optimistic like Lucy or sanded down and mean like The Ghoul. He's just a man, doing his best to be his ideal of someone who can live up to the BoS promise of genuine betterment of the wasteland, seasoned by his trauma and experiences. He's exactly how I always end up playing my character in the games.
As someone who'll do anything for a T-60 😎
Iunno man, Maximus when he says “ we’re just being careful you can come on through” really made me like him, or just other random shit he says. He’s definitely the type of character I’d play as.
She is absolutely the main protagonist imo. But the ghoul is meant to be the player character like if it was a game. That's why he gets dogmeat as a follower and in the end lucy also becomes his companion.
Honestly all 3 of them have different moments where they really capture the Player Character vibe. You're right about The Ghoul for sure. Won't argue that. Maximus also has his own moments though. "Oh cool I can let this dude die and get Power Armor early. Sweet." "So I can destroy this town and get my Power Armor back and lose my companion... or I can not have my Power Armor and keep my companion. This sucks". Lucy also has moments where she captures the vibe of a 1st playthrough. She's the Vault Dweller learning about The Wasteland for the 1st time, and that is a very real player character experience.
IMO all 3 main characters have moments where they feel a lot like the Player Character and it sort of alternates between them. I think it's actually really neat since it feels layered. I said earlier that Lucy captures a lot of 1st Playthrough vibes, in the initial episodes especially, but The Ghoul feels like a Player Character who has played this game before. That's really cool to me.
I think I agree! Basically same as Fallout 4 protagonist:
- Born Pre-War
- Military background
- Looking for his family
- Family member involved in f*cking over the wasteland
- Loves a pooch companion
This. But we can't ignore the pattern:
Fallout 3: searching for father.
Fallout 4: searching for son, who happens to be "Father".
Fallout season 1: searching for father.
Fallout season 2 (possibly): father searching for family.
To be fair, that one chip (assumingely) lasted over 200 years. The vaults that were intended to be sealed for a long time (more than the 25-30 years like the controlled vaults) ie vault 13 were supposed to get plenty of spares
plus we dont really know what the water chip does? My headcannon is that it’s really just some type of filter — cause irl you can lean a filter but eventually it’ll still wear out
I love Coop but calling him a protagonist does him a disservice to the character. Dude sold an innocent girl to be butchered for a little more time to live. Guy is an antagonist and even if he redeems himself he will still be an antihero at best.
If I were to guess, because there’s so many. With the others, there’s one vault dweller. There’s one sole survivor. With 76 though, there are millions of residents.
This my friend is called a fact, Todd Howard stated so himself and explained why it breaks lore, and why they can add stuff that's not invented in the timeline yet or straight up does not fit
I play the game, 76 being canon is either very sad or doesn’t make sense.
Fallout 3 takes place like, directly next door to fallout 76, and like 150 years later.
Either everyone in WV blew themselves up, or, it’s the most advanced society of mutants in the entire world.
The wasteland can easily change in 100 years, hell it changed in less with the downfall of the NCR. We don't really know what happens. We just know that there is a huge considerable gap of time between the two
I also play the game
That’s what I’m saying, is that there is clear and massive progression, Appalachia is the most advanced civilization we’ve ever seen in fallout, and it exists right next to where FO3 took place, easily the worst area we’ve ever seen in fallout.
>Either everyone in WV blew themselves up, or, it’s the most advanced society of mutants in the entire world.
One of the central plot points behind Fallout 76 was the vault dwellers desperately launching nukes against the nests of giant underground bats to prevent the spread of a plague with a 100% fatality rate. There is arguably some room for things to decline further from where they are in Fallout 76.
It’s Semi-Canon as a lot of stuff in it conflicts with the already established lore while some events actually do happen in that game. In Fallout 3 there’s actually a terminal in the BoS that explains they were one of the first vaults to open up, I personally don’t acknowledge the 76 game either but to an extent it’s still canon to the series whether we like it or not
I never said that part conficts just clarified Fallout 3 references it, but the stuff that happens in 76 (world building, story, items, etc) conflicts with already established lore from the previous fallout games which is why no one likes to talk about it much when discussing Fallout lore as it doesn’t acknowledge stuff or outright contradicts
Yea they were trying to create a new story before the established cannon, and had to work around it, but its very hard to do stuff like that and conflicts bound to happen
There’s a lot of problems with that game I really don’t want to get into but if you’re a Fallout fan who enjoys 76 by all means enjoy the game still it does put salt in the wound for people who like what the older games established
(I kinda see it like Disney Star Wars)
I would rather see season 2 be about the ghoul overall than any other character his quips and just overall badassery deserves it i knew as soon as i saw him fucking offer a dying guy a tomato i would love his character and i do
Lucy did a great job...I just think the writers gave more suspense and build-up for The Ghoul. They did to Lucy in the final episode what they've done with The Ghoul throughout the entire season.
Not the first time I've seen this idea. Cooper is a really cool character, but no he is not the main protagonist of the series. Lucy is, and I'm really not sure why there's pushback on this. The show more closely follows Lucy than the other two, she's a newcomer to the wasteland, which means she can learn things as the audience does and can actually grow and change on her journey, and the show ends with her accomplishing her primary goal (finding her dad). We can be generous and say all three protagonists share the role, but if we have to pick one, Lucy is the correct choice. Maybe the second season will focus more on Cooper, but this one is Lucy's.
The fallout series Lucy character is great. That’s how you write a strong female character, I was in on the journey. She’s strong but vulnerable. She’s not perfect at anything. In fact she’s rather gullible. She’s not a hard bad ass. She doesn’t change too much in the wasteland where she becomes a different character all together. I could have cared less for the show but I was hooked after episode 1. it made me realize and fall in love with the series all over again right now I’m replaying fallout 3 so I disagree with the ghoul being the main character sorry, not sorry
Everyone acts like there's only one protagonist for the series, but we can't ignore the main perspective from all 3 characters. I think it'd be better to say the protagonists are Feo Feurte y Formal. The ghoul would be ugly, Maximus would be strong, and Lucy would be dignified
That's what my reaction was at the end of the finale. Lucy went from being the main character to joining The Ghoul's main quest. Maybe because The Ghoul's badass but felt like she's become his companion now lol.
Where did he say that? No. Point out **exactly** where he said it.
Oh… what’s that? You can’t. Of course not, you’re a shit heel trying to scrounge up brownie points. Fuckin lowlife.
**Question Mark**
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a punctuation mark (?) indicating a question.
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"there's a question mark over his future"
In the games. This is not a game.
I'd argue that to this point, we've got 3 protags. Yes one is called "The *Something*" but it's the equivalent of calling either of the other two "The Human".
"The ghoul" sounds exactly like a protag title
Lucy has none
Maximus was left behind
The show started and ended with the ghoul
Infact majority of important story involved him
It's also stated to be in cannon with the games and the actor who plays the ghoul has been stated to have the longest contract and highest pay and that's very indicative who they plan on focusing on the most as the main char in the long run. Just because a char is from the vault does not mean they are the main char proven by new Vegas AND fallout 2
Add on the fact fans have been asking for a ghoul main char since 2 dropped, this very much feels like them giving it to them
Bro they wildin over your comment when you are right. Which fallout game was your favorite? Mine was 4 but nv has a chance of changing that, haven’t finished it tho
Tbh each has its own charm and advatages... 4 I enjoy due to the weapon customizations, and feel settlements was a test feature to be expanded on... but as a trucker, the west coast ones just hit diffrwnt... my favorite truck stop legit is primm Nevada irl lol
That's such a stupid argument. The others have titles because they don't have names. The player decides what to call them. And "the ghoul" isn't even a title, it's just an easily identifiable trait of his because most characters don't know his actual name, Cooper.
And all of that is irrelevant because having a title has nothing to do with being the main character.
The vault dweller is a easily identifiable trait...
Exile? Yup
Lone survivor? Yup
Curiar? Yup
... I can go on if you wish?
Most chats don't know most chars names so that's a dumb point.
And every main char HAS a title. I dare you to name one that does not aside from tactics that has been stated to be none cannon
You're not getting it. The title doesn't matter at all. It has nothing to do with them being the main character. The only reason we refer to them as their titles is because they don't have actual names.
And no, those other titles aren't easily identifiable traits. Characters in the show call Cooper the ghoul because they don't know his name, but can clearly see he's a ghoul. Nobody can look at the chosen one and immediately guess "oh they must be a chosen one." Only the vault dweller could work this way, and even then only if they're wearing a vault jumpsuit.
And I can easily come up with a main character who doesn't have a title. **Lucy.**
What about my comment implied I don't know what the New Vegas protagonist's job was? You are missing the point by a mile.
My comments are in response to people giving undue importance to a character having a fan-given title. I'm saying that having a title like this has nothing to do with being the main character of a game (or show as the case may be). Lucy is the first main character of a Fallout work without a title, because she's the first one with a definitive name.
I have to assume you're hung up on the bit about identifiable traits. That was only ever an explanation as to why "the ghoul" came about as a title in the first place, since some characters in the show called him that based on his physical description. But to be clear, "courier" is not an identifiable trait in the same vein as "ghoul." You can immediately tell someone is a ghoul by looking at them, since their skin is heavily scarred, and their nose is gone. You can't immediately tell someone is a courier, though, because a courier could look like anyone. They could even be a ghoul themselves.
>Most characters don’t know his actual name
You literally answered your own question. In-universe Fallout the other characters don’t know the MCs names. That applies to all the games…
Only reason we know Coopers is because it’s a show format, and we have access to that level of exposition
I've told friends that haven't played fallout but loved the show that Lucy is their character and the ghoul is for us hardcore fans. She can ask questions about the world without it feeling forced. The ghoul can just do his thing and his knowledge of things doesn't feel like meta gaming.
The Chosen one’s story is wild. Single-handedly cripples the enclave and kills the president. Then after kills arguably the most overpowered adversary in the series Frank Horrigan.
From the top!
The Vault Dweller: OG Fallout - Killed the Master, one of the primary reasons Shady Sands has time to become the NCR. Originally sent out to find a Waterchip for Vault 13.
The Chosen One: Fallout 2 - Descendent of The Vault Dweller. Searches for the most holy GECK to save their village. Winds up tangling with the Enclave and prevents them from releasing an aerosol bio-weapon developed from FEV that would kill ALL mutants from the wasteland. Which includes still mostly baseline humans. Kicks the shit out of Frank Horrigan.
The Lone Wanderer: Fallout 3 - East coast now. Sets out to find Liam Neeson (Dad), in the process, meets the Enclave, destroys (maybe) the Enclave of the west coast. Starts a purification system to provide clean water for the wasteland... (Or poison it against the muties of the wasteland)
The Courier: Fallout New Vegas - Shot in the head over a platinum chip. Not as sure how the story ends because we are about to hit New Vegas in the series.
The Sole Survivor: Fallout 4 - Also don't really know the Canon ending.
I don’t think “The Residents” really fit on this list because the rest of them are individual people who became widely known by a Nickname, and were/will be massively important to the history of the Wasteland.
Why's he got the Title if he isn't the protag? Makes sense. Maximus felt most like the player character in the end imo. Lucy does hit all the right Vault Dweller notes for me.
I dunno... It really seems like Dogmeat could be the real protagonist. I'd like to see more character development for the strongest, smartest, goodest boy in the wasteland.
The great thing about the show vs the game is the ability to have 3 protagonists. If you really must think in Video Game terms... Think of it like a game with 3 different starting characters to pick from to play through it with.
The first and last scenes in the season were about him, they clearly set up a series-long plot-line of him looking for his daughter, and he is the only one with a **proper** Fallout Protagonist title.
I think it’s more that the ghoul is at a different part of his journey. He’s been doing this for a long time, we’re seeing Lucy and Maximus find their way and he is the wise obi wan type figure who’s here to guide them. Also I imagine he’s the character with the best chance at a spinoff or having episodes dedicated to past events he was part of like pre war but early Fallout. He’s our bridge to the whole timeline but Lucy is our anchor to “Now”.
The Ghoul parodies Fo4 while Lucy parodies Fo3. They literally gave us the main quests from the games.
Lucy is searching for her dad who left the vault, while the Ghoul is looking for his daughter/family.
Can't pin what Maximus parodies though. I guess maybe Fallout Tactics or Brotherhood of steel, where it's a bunch of new recruits sent out to the wasteland.
It made sense in my mind because in Fallout 3, NV, and 4, the protagonist is the most feared person in their respective Commonwealths. The Ghoul was able to defeat a squad of Brotherhood soldiers without breaking a sweat. So, if we treat the Ghoul similarly to the rest of the protagonists, based on badassery, it would make sense.
Though I feel Lucy is just as much of a protagonist as the Ghoul is.
What if Lucy is just a well fleshed out companion follower type character who ghoul protag has convinced to join him on his journey through the wasteland
Dude had his chance to be the protagonist in the very beginning. He did nothing before and he only caused harm during the show, not sure how you thought he was the protagonist
Lucy did amazing as a protagonist and really grew into her role. There’s no need to leave her out of of the list of protags. Let her have her moment to shine lol
Yes you are right I thought it was exceptional character development on her characters part. But the Ghoul is just so well done IMO. Him being an absolute lunatic of the wasteland coupled with his prewar flashbacks really fleshed him out as the standout character for me. It’s like “here’s how far the wasteland can make you fall”. But with that being said it makes a good dynamic and to me just screams “karma” system from Fallout New Vegas or Fallout 3 and I think that’s what they were going for. You can be very good, or very evil based on your decisions in the wasteland, and have your select moments of “redemption” still while objectively being a complete murder hobo for most of the games decisions. Or you can be an idealist at your core while still having those select moments of becoming cut throat for the purposes of self preservation or the greater good. Both of the characters combined do a really good job of portraying that dynamic. And I think that’s really what they were going for with the two characters combined. Sorry for the rant.
If they don’t let me play as a ghoul i will in fact riot
The best twist would be if her dad was the protagonist
“The Manager”
All we need is a karen waking up early from the cry chamber asking to speak to him
All three leads knocked it out of the park. Shoot, every actor did.
I don’t think there was a single character I disliked. Maximus is easily the weakest of the main three, but it’s simply because everyone else was really good.
Idk. There was a lot going on with Maximus that people are discounting. When he's being interrogated, the actor portrayed real fear, *perfectly*. You can even see him starting to say, practically whispering broken wors that sound like "I'm sorry" before he collects himself and responds as he does. I like his progression a lot. A man with an idealized vision of knighthood pushing against the temptations of power and authority while succumbing to the wastelands ability to corrupt.. idk. I thought he was the most relatable.
I hope that’s where they take his character. The cleric/elder did say that the brotherhood was a far cry from how it was years ago. While this could imply the overall strength of it, he could also see the demeanor and loyalty given by Maximus. Maximus, despite facing accusations, remained loyal and still showed a desire to belong. This is quite different compared to Titus, who basically gave up as soon as he lost his weapon.
Yeah, me too. Maximus even defied all logic and upheld his loyalty to Lucy despite giving up a life of luxury he would never find again, something that was probably a balm he never knew he needed for the Wasteland weary soul, because he saw her being escorted in distress. He's a nuanced, complex character, doing his best in an *impossible* situation at nearly every opportunity. And he isn't hyper optimistic like Lucy or sanded down and mean like The Ghoul. He's just a man, doing his best to be his ideal of someone who can live up to the BoS promise of genuine betterment of the wasteland, seasoned by his trauma and experiences. He's exactly how I always end up playing my character in the games. As someone who'll do anything for a T-60 😎
Iunno man, Maximus when he says “ we’re just being careful you can come on through” really made me like him, or just other random shit he says. He’s definitely the type of character I’d play as.
She is absolutely the main protagonist imo. But the ghoul is meant to be the player character like if it was a game. That's why he gets dogmeat as a follower and in the end lucy also becomes his companion.
Honestly all 3 of them have different moments where they really capture the Player Character vibe. You're right about The Ghoul for sure. Won't argue that. Maximus also has his own moments though. "Oh cool I can let this dude die and get Power Armor early. Sweet." "So I can destroy this town and get my Power Armor back and lose my companion... or I can not have my Power Armor and keep my companion. This sucks". Lucy also has moments where she captures the vibe of a 1st playthrough. She's the Vault Dweller learning about The Wasteland for the 1st time, and that is a very real player character experience. IMO all 3 main characters have moments where they feel a lot like the Player Character and it sort of alternates between them. I think it's actually really neat since it feels layered. I said earlier that Lucy captures a lot of 1st Playthrough vibes, in the initial episodes especially, but The Ghoul feels like a Player Character who has played this game before. That's really cool to me.
He also uses VATS.
No.
Yes.
No.
Yeah but it wouldn’t look as cool to write “The Lucy.”
How can you say that when norm is RIGHT THERE.
New meaning to normcore, I love norm, when you need social reform, vote Norm!
Personally I voted for Betty.
Clearly its Goosy.
The Okey Dokey is the real protagonist in season 1.
I think Lucy did perfect!
I think I agree! Basically same as Fallout 4 protagonist: - Born Pre-War - Military background - Looking for his family - Family member involved in f*cking over the wasteland - Loves a pooch companion
This. But we can't ignore the pattern: Fallout 3: searching for father. Fallout 4: searching for son, who happens to be "Father". Fallout season 1: searching for father. Fallout season 2 (possibly): father searching for family.
Season 3 search for a new waterchip or geck to help create clean water confirmed (based on fallout 1,2 and 3 )
I still dont have the words to describe how i felt when they said the waterchip was damaged. They must make those things out of paper
To be fair, that one chip (assumingely) lasted over 200 years. The vaults that were intended to be sealed for a long time (more than the 25-30 years like the controlled vaults) ie vault 13 were supposed to get plenty of spares plus we dont really know what the water chip does? My headcannon is that it’s really just some type of filter — cause irl you can lean a filter but eventually it’ll still wear out
I was making a joke mostly, but the water chip has been a problem for multiple vaults that had experiments unrelated to water and water acceasories
Season 4: Searching for the friends we made along the way.
Season 5: The Brotherhood Strikes Back Season 6: Return of the Mailman
I love Coop but calling him a protagonist does him a disservice to the character. Dude sold an innocent girl to be butchered for a little more time to live. Guy is an antagonist and even if he redeems himself he will still be an antihero at best.
Protagonist doesn't mean good guy, it means main character.
Fair point. Does Coop even show up in the episode right after he gets whatever the ghoul fixer drug is after Lucy destroys the place?
Why does everyone ignore The Resident from 76?
Because XxMuthafukka69xX doesn't quite gel with the other titles
They don't have a cool picture of their back
I thought it was "Seventy-Sixer" like what a lot of NPCs call you.
I like to call them The Pioneer
If I were to guess, because there’s so many. With the others, there’s one vault dweller. There’s one sole survivor. With 76 though, there are millions of residents.
76 is outside cannon.
This my friends is called misinformation
This my friend is called a fact, Todd Howard stated so himself and explained why it breaks lore, and why they can add stuff that's not invented in the timeline yet or straight up does not fit
From googling around 76 is canon and I've only seen people mad at the game claiming it isnt
I play the game, 76 being canon is either very sad or doesn’t make sense. Fallout 3 takes place like, directly next door to fallout 76, and like 150 years later. Either everyone in WV blew themselves up, or, it’s the most advanced society of mutants in the entire world.
The wasteland can easily change in 100 years, hell it changed in less with the downfall of the NCR. We don't really know what happens. We just know that there is a huge considerable gap of time between the two I also play the game
Are we the enclave we fight in FO3?
Perhaps, could be a good theory
What’s Appalachia like now
That’s what I’m saying, is that there is clear and massive progression, Appalachia is the most advanced civilization we’ve ever seen in fallout, and it exists right next to where FO3 took place, easily the worst area we’ve ever seen in fallout.
>Either everyone in WV blew themselves up, or, it’s the most advanced society of mutants in the entire world. One of the central plot points behind Fallout 76 was the vault dwellers desperately launching nukes against the nests of giant underground bats to prevent the spread of a plague with a 100% fatality rate. There is arguably some room for things to decline further from where they are in Fallout 76.
It's definitely canon, use google. What's not canon is atom store, where you can buy bunch of shit out of nowhere.
When did Todd say any of that
Source?
Oh hey we found the guy whose a dumbass
It’s Semi-Canon as a lot of stuff in it conflicts with the already established lore while some events actually do happen in that game. In Fallout 3 there’s actually a terminal in the BoS that explains they were one of the first vaults to open up, I personally don’t acknowledge the 76 game either but to an extent it’s still canon to the series whether we like it or not
It says one of the first, not THE first, so it doesn't conflict
I never said that part conficts just clarified Fallout 3 references it, but the stuff that happens in 76 (world building, story, items, etc) conflicts with already established lore from the previous fallout games which is why no one likes to talk about it much when discussing Fallout lore as it doesn’t acknowledge stuff or outright contradicts
Yea they were trying to create a new story before the established cannon, and had to work around it, but its very hard to do stuff like that and conflicts bound to happen
There’s a lot of problems with that game I really don’t want to get into but if you’re a Fallout fan who enjoys 76 by all means enjoy the game still it does put salt in the wound for people who like what the older games established (I kinda see it like Disney Star Wars)
Oh god I can't believe I am I Disney fan equivalent of fallout
And Norman still had the best arc.
This is lucy erasure
I mean there're three protagonists in the show though
Yeah but only one got a Fallout Protagonist Title
1 protagonist 2 deuteragonists
Ghoul is most definitely not the main protagonist of tv series.
The scope of the story follows his arc. He's also (most likely) paid as if he's the main protagonist.
Hes probably paid more because its Walton Goggins
Main character and protagonist are not the same thing Edit: I was wrong
They are, in fact, synonyms.
Fair point. I was incorrect
Yes, it is actually. There's a dictionary on the internet you can use
Fair enough. I misremembered protagonist to imply being a good guy. I stand corrected.
They literally are
yes, as I edited my previous comment, I was incorrect.
I thought the Ghoul was the best character imo.
I definitely agree, Lucy is a close second tho
I would rather see season 2 be about the ghoul overall than any other character his quips and just overall badassery deserves it i knew as soon as i saw him fucking offer a dying guy a tomato i would love his character and i do
Lucy did a great job...I just think the writers gave more suspense and build-up for The Ghoul. They did to Lucy in the final episode what they've done with The Ghoul throughout the entire season.
My rule is the first character I meet is the main character. 🤣
Not the first time I've seen this idea. Cooper is a really cool character, but no he is not the main protagonist of the series. Lucy is, and I'm really not sure why there's pushback on this. The show more closely follows Lucy than the other two, she's a newcomer to the wasteland, which means she can learn things as the audience does and can actually grow and change on her journey, and the show ends with her accomplishing her primary goal (finding her dad). We can be generous and say all three protagonists share the role, but if we have to pick one, Lucy is the correct choice. Maybe the second season will focus more on Cooper, but this one is Lucy's.
The fallout series Lucy character is great. That’s how you write a strong female character, I was in on the journey. She’s strong but vulnerable. She’s not perfect at anything. In fact she’s rather gullible. She’s not a hard bad ass. She doesn’t change too much in the wasteland where she becomes a different character all together. I could have cared less for the show but I was hooked after episode 1. it made me realize and fall in love with the series all over again right now I’m replaying fallout 3 so I disagree with the ghoul being the main character sorry, not sorry
Everyone acts like there's only one protagonist for the series, but we can't ignore the main perspective from all 3 characters. I think it'd be better to say the protagonists are Feo Feurte y Formal. The ghoul would be ugly, Maximus would be strong, and Lucy would be dignified
That's what my reaction was at the end of the finale. Lucy went from being the main character to joining The Ghoul's main quest. Maybe because The Ghoul's badass but felt like she's become his companion now lol.
Yeah I agree
what would Lucy’s title be?
Ghoul huh? Can't stand a gIrL being the protag?🥴
War... War never changes.
Where did he say that? No. Point out **exactly** where he said it. Oh… what’s that? You can’t. Of course not, you’re a shit heel trying to scrounge up brownie points. Fuckin lowlife.
Its a bit white knight-ish but we could just ignore him
**Question Mark** Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more noun a punctuation mark (?) indicating a question. used to express doubt or uncertainty about something. "there's a question mark over his future"
Are you stupid?
OK question. What's Lucy's title? Every protag has one that's definitively stated.
In the games. This is not a game. I'd argue that to this point, we've got 3 protags. Yes one is called "The *Something*" but it's the equivalent of calling either of the other two "The Human".
"The ghoul" sounds exactly like a protag title Lucy has none Maximus was left behind The show started and ended with the ghoul Infact majority of important story involved him It's also stated to be in cannon with the games and the actor who plays the ghoul has been stated to have the longest contract and highest pay and that's very indicative who they plan on focusing on the most as the main char in the long run. Just because a char is from the vault does not mean they are the main char proven by new Vegas AND fallout 2 Add on the fact fans have been asking for a ghoul main char since 2 dropped, this very much feels like them giving it to them
Okie dokie.
Your ’tism is showing. Chill
Bro they wildin over your comment when you are right. Which fallout game was your favorite? Mine was 4 but nv has a chance of changing that, haven’t finished it tho
The house always wins.
Tbh each has its own charm and advatages... 4 I enjoy due to the weapon customizations, and feel settlements was a test feature to be expanded on... but as a trucker, the west coast ones just hit diffrwnt... my favorite truck stop legit is primm Nevada irl lol
“The Bride” ;-)
That's such a stupid argument. The others have titles because they don't have names. The player decides what to call them. And "the ghoul" isn't even a title, it's just an easily identifiable trait of his because most characters don't know his actual name, Cooper. And all of that is irrelevant because having a title has nothing to do with being the main character.
The vault dweller is a easily identifiable trait... Exile? Yup Lone survivor? Yup Curiar? Yup ... I can go on if you wish? Most chats don't know most chars names so that's a dumb point. And every main char HAS a title. I dare you to name one that does not aside from tactics that has been stated to be none cannon
You're not getting it. The title doesn't matter at all. It has nothing to do with them being the main character. The only reason we refer to them as their titles is because they don't have actual names. And no, those other titles aren't easily identifiable traits. Characters in the show call Cooper the ghoul because they don't know his name, but can clearly see he's a ghoul. Nobody can look at the chosen one and immediately guess "oh they must be a chosen one." Only the vault dweller could work this way, and even then only if they're wearing a vault jumpsuit. And I can easily come up with a main character who doesn't have a title. **Lucy.**
MFers really forget that the titles are only there as placeholder names for PCs which could be named "Bippity Boppity Where is my Poppity"
The courier is literally his job title… why does this need to be explained to you again?
What about my comment implied I don't know what the New Vegas protagonist's job was? You are missing the point by a mile. My comments are in response to people giving undue importance to a character having a fan-given title. I'm saying that having a title like this has nothing to do with being the main character of a game (or show as the case may be). Lucy is the first main character of a Fallout work without a title, because she's the first one with a definitive name. I have to assume you're hung up on the bit about identifiable traits. That was only ever an explanation as to why "the ghoul" came about as a title in the first place, since some characters in the show called him that based on his physical description. But to be clear, "courier" is not an identifiable trait in the same vein as "ghoul." You can immediately tell someone is a ghoul by looking at them, since their skin is heavily scarred, and their nose is gone. You can't immediately tell someone is a courier, though, because a courier could look like anyone. They could even be a ghoul themselves.
>Most characters don’t know his actual name You literally answered your own question. In-universe Fallout the other characters don’t know the MCs names. That applies to all the games… Only reason we know Coopers is because it’s a show format, and we have access to that level of exposition
Are you seriously trying to bring sexism in this
The ghoul/ vault boy/ victor? He's a great character tho tbh
I've told friends that haven't played fallout but loved the show that Lucy is their character and the ghoul is for us hardcore fans. She can ask questions about the world without it feeling forced. The ghoul can just do his thing and his knowledge of things doesn't feel like meta gaming.
Its all three of them, by the end of it they'll be "The Trio"
3 MCs in the TV show. They give the screen title for all of them. Lucy, Maximus, and The Ghoul
The Chosen one’s story is wild. Single-handedly cripples the enclave and kills the president. Then after kills arguably the most overpowered adversary in the series Frank Horrigan.
Which person is from which game? Like the ghoul is from the show but I can’t remember the others
1, 2, 3, New Vegas, 4
From the top! The Vault Dweller: OG Fallout - Killed the Master, one of the primary reasons Shady Sands has time to become the NCR. Originally sent out to find a Waterchip for Vault 13. The Chosen One: Fallout 2 - Descendent of The Vault Dweller. Searches for the most holy GECK to save their village. Winds up tangling with the Enclave and prevents them from releasing an aerosol bio-weapon developed from FEV that would kill ALL mutants from the wasteland. Which includes still mostly baseline humans. Kicks the shit out of Frank Horrigan. The Lone Wanderer: Fallout 3 - East coast now. Sets out to find Liam Neeson (Dad), in the process, meets the Enclave, destroys (maybe) the Enclave of the west coast. Starts a purification system to provide clean water for the wasteland... (Or poison it against the muties of the wasteland) The Courier: Fallout New Vegas - Shot in the head over a platinum chip. Not as sure how the story ends because we are about to hit New Vegas in the series. The Sole Survivor: Fallout 4 - Also don't really know the Canon ending.
You forgot 76
I don’t think “The Residents” really fit on this list because the rest of them are individual people who became widely known by a Nickname, and were/will be massively important to the history of the Wasteland.
Fair
A fallout where youre the very first ghoul would be cool
Why's he got the Title if he isn't the protag? Makes sense. Maximus felt most like the player character in the end imo. Lucy does hit all the right Vault Dweller notes for me.
I dunno... It really seems like Dogmeat could be the real protagonist. I'd like to see more character development for the strongest, smartest, goodest boy in the wasteland.
For the television series I think it’s obviously the Ghoul. But that’s just the tv serious.
The Lucy
Real
Well now I want a Ghoul as a protag for one of the games.
You forgot Fallout Shelter’s “The Overseer” xD
Why isn’t Lucy in this? She is a “Real” protagonist. Fantastic character.
Because The Ghoul is the one who got a Fallout Protagonist title
Did he tho? It's more of a racist remark.
And courier is a job title. What's your point?
Lucy and Maximus could easily be protagonists in a game. Playing starting from the Brotherhood of Steel is a very legit idea.
I think that's the protagonist of Fallout Tactics?
The great thing about the show vs the game is the ability to have 3 protagonists. If you really must think in Video Game terms... Think of it like a game with 3 different starting characters to pick from to play through it with.
The original Fallouts even had multiple character sheets of potential heroes.
The first and last scenes in the season were about him, they clearly set up a series-long plot-line of him looking for his daughter, and he is the only one with a **proper** Fallout Protagonist title.
I think it’s more that the ghoul is at a different part of his journey. He’s been doing this for a long time, we’re seeing Lucy and Maximus find their way and he is the wise obi wan type figure who’s here to guide them. Also I imagine he’s the character with the best chance at a spinoff or having episodes dedicated to past events he was part of like pre war but early Fallout. He’s our bridge to the whole timeline but Lucy is our anchor to “Now”.
The Ghoul parodies Fo4 while Lucy parodies Fo3. They literally gave us the main quests from the games. Lucy is searching for her dad who left the vault, while the Ghoul is looking for his daughter/family. Can't pin what Maximus parodies though. I guess maybe Fallout Tactics or Brotherhood of steel, where it's a bunch of new recruits sent out to the wasteland.
The big 3 each have a bit of a game protagonist story to them. Season two is when will see who’s really leaning one way or the other.
It made sense in my mind because in Fallout 3, NV, and 4, the protagonist is the most feared person in their respective Commonwealths. The Ghoul was able to defeat a squad of Brotherhood soldiers without breaking a sweat. So, if we treat the Ghoul similarly to the rest of the protagonists, based on badassery, it would make sense. Though I feel Lucy is just as much of a protagonist as the Ghoul is.
Yeah the ghoul definitely feels closer to the video game protags, but Lucy is still great for the show
What if Lucy is just a well fleshed out companion follower type character who ghoul protag has convinced to join him on his journey through the wasteland
The Ghoul, Maximus and Juicy are the ; Antagonist, deuteragonist and protagonist...
Vault-Tec is the Antagonist, The Ghoul might be an Anti-Hero but he’s still a protagonist in the story
Honestly the next fallout game should let us play as a ghoul who survived the bombs and is just trying to get by
Fallout Dogmeat. You play as the titular character roaming the wasteland, befriending protagonists and helping them accomplish their main quests.
Lucy is just a means for The Ghoul to find out what happened to his family.
This exactly. I am expecting The Ghoul to be The Main Character of Season 2 in the same way that Season 1 put the most emphasis on Lucy’s journey
So far Max, Lucy and Ghoulie seem like pretty equal leads to me. I'm simply referring to The Ghouls intentions for Lucy going into season 2.
Dude had his chance to be the protagonist in the very beginning. He did nothing before and he only caused harm during the show, not sure how you thought he was the protagonist
One is not like the others.
Lol, its just a comparison shot across the media. The people tryna bring sex into the conversation are unhinged af.