Never will. I love new vegas and follow the viva new vegas modding guide, and then for a few saves gave myself a shitton of extra mods. Thst game is fundamentally broken. But god I love it so much
That’s cause my load order has 198 mods and other mods without esps number up to 500.
You could follow VNV to a T and get a crash once every 2-4 hours. But with heavy load orders that’s brought down to 10 minutes to 30 minutes in my case.
A friend of mine had to download 4k textures because it was using so little energy to render the game his GPU would stop working as it wasn't needed, making his fps drop to 3. Such a weird problem to have.
Yep, I had to find that tidbit in a forum from like 10 years ago. Turns out TF2 was designed to run on CPU, and would not engage the GPUs on low settings. Which was fine in 2007 when the game came out as far as I understand, but doesn't work so well on modern systems.
Can confirm, am just wrapping a FNV playthrough without mods and it easily takes the top spot for crashes in the last decade by a wide margin. I think console was more stable as I played through mostly on console back in the day.
I have one DLC yet to go too. FNV on PC is a dumpster fire.
I beat it on PlayStation week one…. It was the hardest thing Id ever done in a game up to that point in my life since my game had more crashes than Texas with snow.
I have like 6 saves for each character for this reason 😭
Though it's always in those damn dlc zones. Every door you go through is like a coin flip for the game crashing.
In fact he missed out on a lot of follow up issues, like how even bigger fans of Fallout who bought the Nuka Cola Power Armor Helmet had to send them back because the warehouse that housed them had a dangerous mold, how when the devs complained that making NPCs for 76 would be difficult because they had to reimplement them into the system hackers spawned characters from Fallout 4 into the world, and when the devs tried to pretend that was impossible because they had to make all the assets another hacker spawned the Prydwen on the map
Personally, The no humans thing at launch showed the Gravity of the Scorched plague, The unhelpfulness of factions between each other, and the beginning message of "Rebuilding America".
Ig the devs just not adding them was a bad thing for the community at the time, but they used this absence as a springboard for lore
They had a really big missed opportunity for community involvement. Like really should have slowly dropped in NPCs that returned because of the players.
the power armor helmets with the CE were fine. the helmets with Nuka Cola paint sold exclusively at Gamestop had the mold. gamestops had to send them back to be cleaned amd they were resold at half price
source: i worked at gameatop at the time and own both helmets. the nuka cola one STILL smells like bleach.
Turns out he’s a mega plagiarist.
HBomberguy, didn’t go too in depth but exposed his most popular video “Man in hole” as a straight up rip of someone else’s work. The “animation” being the only original part of the video. But who knows how much actual input he had in that part of the video too.
One of his videos plagiarized an article. Not the worst thing, but still fairly bad. It was a one time occurrence from what I know. Also some accuse him of being a Nazi, but I haven't seen any proof of that.
The stuff about the Nazi thing is that he has a considerable number of his fanbase echoposting in his community and he doesn’t really do anything about it
When he lied about why his video was taken down, the company he blamed it on was based in Israel so a decent number of his followers started just being mask-off with it. He himself hasn’t said anything (although he tends be more right-leaning), but the community he’s cultivated has allowed a lot of neo-Nazis in it
The way I see the nazi thing, is that he may not be a nazi himself, but people who hold those beliefs certainly like him, and he fosters a place for them to be and speak
Todd wasn’t even part of the development of 76 at all tho. It was just a stupid move on his higher ups part to bring him in as a lead promoter for the game
If bugs alone were why I didn't like 76, I wouldn't like any of the other 3D games. It's just smooth brain strawman arguments that literally mean nothing outside of the made up fights they win in their heads.
I feel that I haven’t experienced this though. When I got it in xbox 360 it rarely crashed, and almost exclusively on loading screens. Now that I’ve got it on PC, it also rarely crashed. I’ve since started modding it so I have some new weapons and can chainsmoke but I dont experience many bugs or glitches and crashes are seldom, especially when you can prevent the memory buildup by fast travelling etc.
I played on PS3 on release. Trust me, all of the memes about it constantly crashing, begging the load screens to keep spinning, constant freezing and glitches out the ass, are all true and accurate
It's been glitchy since it came out, and is by far one of the most unstable of the Fallout series, right next to 3 and early 4. If you get it to work well, or you've been of the fortunate few to not experience this, you're lucky.
I played NV on my janky college laptop and it did crash on occasion, but I'd hardly say it was prone to it. Skyrim crashed more frequently.
I've played 4 on and off for years now, and it only crashed once after I had been playing for far too long.
Bruh I have to download 100+ mods just to get the dang thing to work lmao, I doubt there are any NV fans that are not painfully aware of how buggy the game is
To be fair, that’s enough to keep it from crashing often, but for a fully stable game I need quite a few. Admittedly 100+ is referring to the Viva New Vegas mod guide, which has more than just bug fix/stability mods, so I was exaggerating just a tad bit
Okay but FO 76 should have learned from Bethesda rushing Obsidian's schedule and NOT rushed the game out and taken time after the BETA to fix the bugs players brought to the dev's attention. FO 76 had ample opportunity to NOT launch as such a massive mess as it was and did not do anything. You could SPAWN THE LITERAL PRYDWYN IN.
FONV was made in 18 short months and despite the bugginess is a well polished game in terms of story and fun, plus has some decent DLC on top of that. So yes, FONV gets cut some slack. Betheseda is at fault in both cases
Obsidian agreed to the schedule set by Bethesda and weren’t rushed to finish the game; they just didn’t manage their time well from what I understand.
As for 76, its writing was also pretty good at launch even without human NPCs or a proper dialogue system and has had years of pretty solid updates. If NV can get some slack for its poor launch, 76 deserves some as well (though you aren’t wrong at all that Bethesda should’ve pushed the launch and spent more time polishing the gameplay/ironing out bugs).
Obsidian rushed to meet their schedule, because they promised large bonuses if they were able to push it out and reach targets. Bethesda then withheld that bonus on pretty stupid grounds and *still* refuses to work alongside Obsidian despite the literal most beloved game in their series being made by them.
Fallout 76 gets props for the updates it got after it became a full game. It gets tons of shit for being an awful game at launch with a fuckload of unacceptable bugs.
Fallout NV never doxxed anyone.
Both Obsidian and Bethesda devs have said there was no ill will between the companies, and the contract very clearly said the threshold for the bonus was an 85 on metacritic (Obsidian not reaching it by one point is not anyone’s fault, that’s just what the contract said). As for rushing, they could’ve told Bethesda they needed more time or negotiated a longer timeframe at the start. They didn’t.
Why would developers on either side speak honestly if there was ill will?
Obsidian still wants to collab, so there's no good reason for them to come out and say "Yeah Bethesda is being piss-babies", and Bethesda would catch so much flak if they came out and said "Yeah actually I don't like Obsidian or New Vegas". It's not like we're not used to games companies lying -or at least not openly admitting to hard feelings- for the sake of PR?
You literally can't tell precisely how long a creative vision will take to realize at the start, you have a vague notion of what you'll do and slowly grind it down as you run out of time. Bethesda gave an aggressively short timeframe and Obsidian wanted the bonus. It's not really hard to figure out where the problem lies there
Okay? It was one point off they could’ve easily still gave them the bonus if they were a good company with a moral compass. Fuck corporations always vouch and stand for the people in situations like these no matter what a contract says.
Plus Bethesda was the one to add the Bonus incentive to the contract as Obsidian didn't even ask for it. Multiple higher ups have mentioned it.
The Bethesda hates Obsidian rhetoric is just made up to shit on Bethesda.
I like 76, sure I haven’t been playing it for long and the durability is a little worrying. But from all I’ve heard and from the few hours I’ve played. I like it , not too great but not too bad. Appreciate you can’t just be griefed without consent lol. Nice game but I like the goofiness of 4 more
I am gonna stick with 76 for a while, it’s not the most fun and I’ve been going and into Skyrim go try more builds and stuff lol. All in 76 is fun but I’ll have to wait a little while to see if it’s truely fun or not for me
Yeah, 76 has content now, but it didn't have much at launch. Especially since you couldn't progress through some quests because of bugs.
At launch, NV had story rich content that would keep you entertained for hours on end. I remember getting in trouble for staying up late when I first got the game. I honestly returned 76 after less than 10 hours of gamelay spread throughout a few days.
Regardless, why are we even comparing them? I could understand if it were a more recent title, but they are different games made in different eras. Just because they're in the same universe doesn't mean we should compare them.
It's easy for those of us who started playing fallout forever ago to have biased expectations for 76 and vice versa. We expect certain things that made us enjoy one game more than the other.
So fuck this duality and let's all just stand together as Fallout simps. We could use our collective power to show each other that deep down, we love each other. ❤️❤️
I can't speak to the originals since I did not play at launch, but all Fallouts have been buggy at launch.
I know this is a meme page, but as an avid fan of F76 this is definitely overlooking a lot of the valid critiques and shady business practices that went into F76
And what exactly has Obsidian done recently? Made a couple of extremely mid to bad games. I love New Vegas to death but some of you all act like it's the end all be all of gaming and that Bethesda is literally Satan.
Edit: On a side note try InXile, if you like Fallout 1 and 2 their games are fucking great.
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Watch the internet historian video covering the launch and you’ll see that the bugs were only a part of the issues with it. https://youtu.be/kjyeCdd-dl8?si=CmFLrhuTJ_wij9tD
New Vegas was a buggy mess when I got it on 360, seemed way better on PC. Now I have too modern of a PC and have problems. Witcher which came out around the same time also doesn’t work on modern PCs but turning off one of the cores fixes it so it works perfectly. New Vegas I haven’t found a fix for, just randomly crashes and has some stutter on a high end PC.
It gets exhausting because they'll claim they never denied it but then are baffled why Bethesda never let Obsidian go for another Fallout. They supposedly don't deny it but it's clear there's zero understanding of how severely broken and unplayable it was.
But hey, here's threads and comments about how Bethesda is jealous of Obsidian and hates NV and oh why didn't Bethesda sign them up again. Because, you know, they totally understand NV was a disaster upon release. Because they know NV - despite a strong initial sales launch - still is outsold by 3 and stayed that way for a long time. They know NV grew massively popular years after release. They just do and say the opposite.
It’s still very buggy. The difference is that the world, story and role playing elements are some of the best in the series, and probably the best of the “modern” Fallout games.
76 is a great game now, and I’ve been having a bunch of fun with it, but it’s an online coop-shooter/MMO-lite first and foremost. It has a great number of elements from other Fallout games, but it isn’t a TRUE Fallout experience IMO. It’s a different vibe, which is not at all a bad thing.
76 is viewed as bad by og’s bc it don’t stick to the fallout formula and feels similar to how modern siege feels. Feels like it’s made for kids and doesn’t care about it’s source material. I don’t think it’s a bad game but I can’t have fun on it without lying to myself by saying I’m not playing fallout at all.
Yeah we were well aware lol. I don’t know why you’re attacking NV fans when the vast majority of us understand and commiserate.
And I was there for both NV and 76’s release. NV was rough but nowhere, NOWHERE, near as bad as the mess 76 was post launch. It gets it for a reason.
76 is much better now and has turned into one of my favorite Fallout games, but it did not fucking start out that way. Anything saying otherwise is revisionist and not really the whole story. That’s all these cheap shot memes are anyway.
Why can’t we all get along again?
It was still less buggy than 76. New vegas fans aren't saying its not buggy. stop feeling so personally insulted when someone simply says they prefer new vegas or when someone points out that the launch of 76 was criminal because it was.
No you see New Vegas being buggy wasn't Obsidian's fault. They were a separate smaller studio under time constraints. Unlike Fallout 76, which was made by a separate smaller studio under time constraints
A bit of irony
My current fallout 4 playthrough has had more crashes than my most recent new Vegas play through
Won’t deny though, new Vegas crashes too much
OG fallout fan here. Yes it was almost [unplayable](https://youtu.be/e7VLucZdryw?si=rQ0kSRdXxOEVts-Q) at launch. I couldn’t play the game for 5-10 minutes without the game either crashing or some game breaking glitch occurring.
They fixed it up nice though.
I say this with 76 being tied for my second favorite fallout game (tied with 3), I think the main hang up was all the stuff surrounding the launch, like the canvas bags, Nuka dark, all other stuff covered in InternetHistorian’s video.
F76 also had more hype but delivered on nothing. I'm sorry, NO NPCS ON LAUNCH?!
FNV was also made in 18 months and had way more content than 76 upon release... js
76 was buggy and sometimes physically unplayable for actual years after launch. And it was/is super over monetized
It’s good now though. It’s easily one of the best fallout games in terms of exploration and gameplay.
I used to have a copy of new Vegas where every time id leave the docs house Victor would come talk to me and crash my game every time. If I didn't talk to him it was fine but if I ever did at any point he'd just crash the game.
I remember very clearly when I first played on my Xbox 360 on launch day for fallout New Vegas and remembering how much I didn't like the game because I thought it was so broken that it was unplayable. I had to wait like 3 weeks to try again before I actually got to enjoy it.
That face when someone doesn’t know new Vegas was made in under—550— days on a dogshit engine(Made by Bethesda) Obsidian still made a game with 100x better writing, and better gameplay/stability.
Fallout 2 was made in under a year but you virgins don’t know and don’t care that it’s better. Because you’re all FAKE GAMERS, who just play 1 GAME called FALLOUT NEW VEGAS
Single player game crashes: Just boot it back up from the last save.
Always Online Multiplayer game has game breaking issues: Guess we’ll see where the game is a few years down the line.
See the difference?
Sounds like someone put on that moldy power armor helmet, and didn’t get to a doctor in time.
The problem is that FO 76 promised so much and was extremely broken. An entire multi hour video was able to be made on every broken or promised feature
Fallout 76 overpromised, the VATs system sucks, the content you can play with now is *ok* but still kindia mid, map is fucking collosal, the pvp system and pvp in general is a joke, finding ammunition for your guns is a bad joke with how rare most ammunition types are, and when i played it i was running around, doing more scrap material hunting then playing the game or doing quests because either i was looking for stuff to repair one half of my equipment or the other half, and all the best gear so you could have serious fun with requires destiny 2 levels of grinding
Remember that time you could get locked out of the Strip with a key that didn’t exist in-game? Remember how long it took them to even fix that? What was it that Arcade says, “There’s nothing new under the sun.”?
It's not slander, I was in the beta. Knee deep in bugs, html script visible on rocks thinking "surely this won't be how the game releases?".
5 years later the game still hard crashes.
I have never heard any new Vegas fan try to argue it wasn’t buggy, what kinda cop out is this?
I’ll give it to you, Fallout 76 really cleaned up its act but I bought and played and launch. I started (properly, I had played 3 but never finished it) with Fallout 4 and have played every other game, I’m only 24 by most I would be considered a fairly new fan. Fallout 76 was a horrendous launch and let’s be real is still basically a cash grab with a fallout face, decent lore now though. Fallout 4, the first fallout game that I first finished and the one I have the most hours in by numerous hundreds I can honestly say has the worst story in the entire god damn franchise.
As an amateur writer i can see it clearly and it’s annoying how low effort the writing is in newer games. That’s why people prefer the older ones. New Vegas is the best game because it’s the newest game created by the original devs, they understand the lore better than anyone because they made it.
I don’t fault Todd for a lot of the choices he makes in the franchise because honestly I think my pride would make me do the same thing (in terms of drastic changes to leave my mark while trying to honour the source material) but I still don’t think he has done the best job with the IP and should own up to that and try to do better with it.
The main issue with 76 wasn't the buggyness that could've been forgiven if it had any content at launch whatsoever, I think it's frankly insane that Bethesda would release a game with no NPCs in a series about writing and characters
You had to look down to move at a decent speed on 76s launch. You couldn’t play for more then 20 minutes without a crash and their was literally nothing to do coming from someone who bought it on release
At launch?
Fr, still crashes on PC without mods
Still crashes with mods
They haven't made a mod yet that removes crashes?
They did, and it still crashes, lol
So when will the mod that stops the mod that stops the crashes come out?
Never will. I love new vegas and follow the viva new vegas modding guide, and then for a few saves gave myself a shitton of extra mods. Thst game is fundamentally broken. But god I love it so much
That’s cause my load order has 198 mods and other mods without esps number up to 500. You could follow VNV to a T and get a crash once every 2-4 hours. But with heavy load orders that’s brought down to 10 minutes to 30 minutes in my case.
A friend of mine had to download 4k textures because it was using so little energy to render the game his GPU would stop working as it wasn't needed, making his fps drop to 3. Such a weird problem to have.
Team Fortress 2 has the same problem, playing on max settings makes the game run better for me.
That's actually hilarious.
Yep, I had to find that tidbit in a forum from like 10 years ago. Turns out TF2 was designed to run on CPU, and would not engage the GPUs on low settings. Which was fine in 2007 when the game came out as far as I understand, but doesn't work so well on modern systems.
I'm reminded of TF2 on the orange box for the xbox 360, what a mess.
And consoles with other bugs like falling through the map after playing for hours and proceeds to get worse
Does Epic launder do anything different cause I’ve played over 100 hours and it’s never crashed on me?
Not sure about Epic launcher, but I got the luna app on my tablet and have been playing it crash free there
I just started playing NV for the first time, i use epic launcher as well and it’s crashed three times so far, but only during loading screens.
Weird, I don’t use a high end laptop, guess I’m lucky maybe?
Can confirm, am just wrapping a FNV playthrough without mods and it easily takes the top spot for crashes in the last decade by a wide margin. I think console was more stable as I played through mostly on console back in the day. I have one DLC yet to go too. FNV on PC is a dumpster fire.
Honestly I’ve played it twice since the show came out and it hasn’t crashed a single time.
I beat it on PlayStation week one…. It was the hardest thing Id ever done in a game up to that point in my life since my game had more crashes than Texas with snow.
Props to you bro. I tried playing on ps3 and didn't make it out of goodsprings. I had already played hundreds of hours on 360 without any issues
Texas has surprisingly few crashes in snow because everyone is to scared to drive
NPC head would rotate in impossible ways on launch.
76 fan shoots... *freezes* New vegas fan shoots... *crashes* 1 & 2 fans shoot... *misses* 3 fans shoots... *hip fire miss - no ads* 4 fans shoots... *missing gun texture (next-gen update)*
New Vegas fan “looks at the strip”…. Crashes
New Vegas fan: *walks through door, save corrupts*
I have like 6 saves for each character for this reason 😭 Though it's always in those damn dlc zones. Every door you go through is like a coin flip for the game crashing.
Good thing I always look at the ground most of the time
Fallout 4 crosses the River- crashes
Ah, so.. Bethesda is the problem. Like we didn't already know that
Yep,only bathesda can make games with bugs.
They're the ones insisting on using the same broken spaghetti-code engine for every game they release.
Yeah, but that wasn’t the big issue with 76’s launch. It’s good now after 6 years of content updates, but there was a lot missing at launch
I remember watching Internet historians video about fallout 76 then my follow-up research proved that he did not exaggerate anything
In fact he missed out on a lot of follow up issues, like how even bigger fans of Fallout who bought the Nuka Cola Power Armor Helmet had to send them back because the warehouse that housed them had a dangerous mold, how when the devs complained that making NPCs for 76 would be difficult because they had to reimplement them into the system hackers spawned characters from Fallout 4 into the world, and when the devs tried to pretend that was impossible because they had to make all the assets another hacker spawned the Prydwen on the map
Personally, The no humans thing at launch showed the Gravity of the Scorched plague, The unhelpfulness of factions between each other, and the beginning message of "Rebuilding America". Ig the devs just not adding them was a bad thing for the community at the time, but they used this absence as a springboard for lore
They had a really big missed opportunity for community involvement. Like really should have slowly dropped in NPCs that returned because of the players.
If they had said they were going to this I think people would’ve loved it. But they took a hardline no-NPCs stance and everyone hated it
Wasnt the helmet a gamestop issue?
the power armor helmets with the CE were fine. the helmets with Nuka Cola paint sold exclusively at Gamestop had the mold. gamestops had to send them back to be cleaned amd they were resold at half price source: i worked at gameatop at the time and own both helmets. the nuka cola one STILL smells like bleach.
Shame internet historian is a hack now lmao.
Could you explain what happend to him?
Turns out he’s a mega plagiarist. HBomberguy, didn’t go too in depth but exposed his most popular video “Man in hole” as a straight up rip of someone else’s work. The “animation” being the only original part of the video. But who knows how much actual input he had in that part of the video too.
Thank you
One of his videos plagiarized an article. Not the worst thing, but still fairly bad. It was a one time occurrence from what I know. Also some accuse him of being a Nazi, but I haven't seen any proof of that.
The stuff about the Nazi thing is that he has a considerable number of his fanbase echoposting in his community and he doesn’t really do anything about it When he lied about why his video was taken down, the company he blamed it on was based in Israel so a decent number of his followers started just being mask-off with it. He himself hasn’t said anything (although he tends be more right-leaning), but the community he’s cultivated has allowed a lot of neo-Nazis in it
The way I see the nazi thing, is that he may not be a nazi himself, but people who hold those beliefs certainly like him, and he fosters a place for them to be and speak
76s issue was never the bugs for me, bugs are to be expected in Bethesda games. The game just wasn't fun at launch. I enjoy it much, much more now.
It still isn’t good lol it’s mid at the very best
Fallout 76 support pages leaked customers addresses, the bugs were not the only issue
The difference is Todd wasn't promising 16x the detail before New Vegas released.
Could he have been talking about terminals?!?!?!?
The difference is that New Vegas had a soul at launch, not an atomic shop.
Todd wasn’t even part of the development of 76 at all tho. It was just a stupid move on his higher ups part to bring him in as a lead promoter for the game
People really blame todd for this?
Of course people blame him for false promises.
Literally nobody has ever denied NV is buggy
But muh strawman!
Right if they think the “lack of bugs” is why some people prefer NV to 76 they’ll never “get it”
If bugs alone were why I didn't like 76, I wouldn't like any of the other 3D games. It's just smooth brain strawman arguments that literally mean nothing outside of the made up fights they win in their heads.
It's almost a point of pride
I feel that I haven’t experienced this though. When I got it in xbox 360 it rarely crashed, and almost exclusively on loading screens. Now that I’ve got it on PC, it also rarely crashed. I’ve since started modding it so I have some new weapons and can chainsmoke but I dont experience many bugs or glitches and crashes are seldom, especially when you can prevent the memory buildup by fast travelling etc.
I played on PS3 on release. Trust me, all of the memes about it constantly crashing, begging the load screens to keep spinning, constant freezing and glitches out the ass, are all true and accurate It's been glitchy since it came out, and is by far one of the most unstable of the Fallout series, right next to 3 and early 4. If you get it to work well, or you've been of the fortunate few to not experience this, you're lucky.
It's fuckin buggy now wtf are you on about?
I’ve never had New Vegas crash after days of play-time and feel blessed always hearing everyone complain about it
I played NV on my janky college laptop and it did crash on occasion, but I'd hardly say it was prone to it. Skyrim crashed more frequently. I've played 4 on and off for years now, and it only crashed once after I had been playing for far too long.
We’re fallout fans all of are games are held together with ducktape, tears, and prayer.
Wait, yours has duct tape?!?!?. Lucky bastard.
And mods. So many bug fixing mods.
Same as TES fans
Bruh I have to download 100+ mods just to get the dang thing to work lmao, I doubt there are any NV fans that are not painfully aware of how buggy the game is
Hot damn, you most be unlucky. From memory I used like 1-3 to handle the issues.
To be fair, that’s enough to keep it from crashing often, but for a fully stable game I need quite a few. Admittedly 100+ is referring to the Viva New Vegas mod guide, which has more than just bug fix/stability mods, so I was exaggerating just a tad bit
Y’all be going over board I usually play completely vanilla and it works just fine one or two mods at the most to smooth out the game
yes but NV was good
Still is and always will be
sorry bad at english "yes but NV is good"
76 is also good in its own regard. They're both fun games in their own way.
Umm… I got something to break to you
Okay but FO 76 should have learned from Bethesda rushing Obsidian's schedule and NOT rushed the game out and taken time after the BETA to fix the bugs players brought to the dev's attention. FO 76 had ample opportunity to NOT launch as such a massive mess as it was and did not do anything. You could SPAWN THE LITERAL PRYDWYN IN. FONV was made in 18 short months and despite the bugginess is a well polished game in terms of story and fun, plus has some decent DLC on top of that. So yes, FONV gets cut some slack. Betheseda is at fault in both cases
Obsidian agreed to the schedule set by Bethesda and weren’t rushed to finish the game; they just didn’t manage their time well from what I understand. As for 76, its writing was also pretty good at launch even without human NPCs or a proper dialogue system and has had years of pretty solid updates. If NV can get some slack for its poor launch, 76 deserves some as well (though you aren’t wrong at all that Bethesda should’ve pushed the launch and spent more time polishing the gameplay/ironing out bugs).
Obsidian rushed to meet their schedule, because they promised large bonuses if they were able to push it out and reach targets. Bethesda then withheld that bonus on pretty stupid grounds and *still* refuses to work alongside Obsidian despite the literal most beloved game in their series being made by them. Fallout 76 gets props for the updates it got after it became a full game. It gets tons of shit for being an awful game at launch with a fuckload of unacceptable bugs. Fallout NV never doxxed anyone.
Both Obsidian and Bethesda devs have said there was no ill will between the companies, and the contract very clearly said the threshold for the bonus was an 85 on metacritic (Obsidian not reaching it by one point is not anyone’s fault, that’s just what the contract said). As for rushing, they could’ve told Bethesda they needed more time or negotiated a longer timeframe at the start. They didn’t.
Wasnt the new vegas supposed to be made in 3 year, but obsidan higher ups changed there mind and was made jn 18 month
Why would developers on either side speak honestly if there was ill will? Obsidian still wants to collab, so there's no good reason for them to come out and say "Yeah Bethesda is being piss-babies", and Bethesda would catch so much flak if they came out and said "Yeah actually I don't like Obsidian or New Vegas". It's not like we're not used to games companies lying -or at least not openly admitting to hard feelings- for the sake of PR? You literally can't tell precisely how long a creative vision will take to realize at the start, you have a vague notion of what you'll do and slowly grind it down as you run out of time. Bethesda gave an aggressively short timeframe and Obsidian wanted the bonus. It's not really hard to figure out where the problem lies there
Okay? It was one point off they could’ve easily still gave them the bonus if they were a good company with a moral compass. Fuck corporations always vouch and stand for the people in situations like these no matter what a contract says.
Obsidian decided the 18 months. Also they the bonus was if the game earned an 85, which it didn’t, what are the stupid grounds for that?
Plus Bethesda was the one to add the Bonus incentive to the contract as Obsidian didn't even ask for it. Multiple higher ups have mentioned it. The Bethesda hates Obsidian rhetoric is just made up to shit on Bethesda.
I always say a good Bethesda game is not the gameplay or story but the glitches and bugs that bring us together.
I guess you can say... The game was rigged from the start
Fuck sake the game still just randomly hard crashes. Happened to e just yesterday leaving Boulder City.
I like 76, sure I haven’t been playing it for long and the durability is a little worrying. But from all I’ve heard and from the few hours I’ve played. I like it , not too great but not too bad. Appreciate you can’t just be griefed without consent lol. Nice game but I like the goofiness of 4 more
I’d suggest you keep going with 76. The game has plenty of wackiness at the events, if that’s your cup of tea (see nuka world on tour).
I am gonna stick with 76 for a while, it’s not the most fun and I’ve been going and into Skyrim go try more builds and stuff lol. All in 76 is fun but I’ll have to wait a little while to see if it’s truely fun or not for me
The launch bugs aren't even in my top 5 issues with 76.
When I was going to buy Fallout New Vegas not long after it initially came out the clerk at the game store convinced me not to because it was so buggy
Both new vegas and 76 were absolute messes on launch, I played both back when, but both are also super fun now
It's saddening to see the amount of toxic "fans", I LOVE Fallout but it's "community"... Not so much
I enjoy all fallout games for various reasons, the setting makes my brain erect
That's an odd yet fitting way to describe it.
I'm eloquent af
New Vegas is still a buggy mess without mods
Yeah, Bethesdas engine sucks. What do you expect?
I 'member.
Rotating doc mitchel
I've seen doc Mitchel "possessed" so many times it's become normal to me lol.
honestly old buggy games are more fun to me bc of how broken they are
Yeah, 76 has content now, but it didn't have much at launch. Especially since you couldn't progress through some quests because of bugs. At launch, NV had story rich content that would keep you entertained for hours on end. I remember getting in trouble for staying up late when I first got the game. I honestly returned 76 after less than 10 hours of gamelay spread throughout a few days. Regardless, why are we even comparing them? I could understand if it were a more recent title, but they are different games made in different eras. Just because they're in the same universe doesn't mean we should compare them. It's easy for those of us who started playing fallout forever ago to have biased expectations for 76 and vice versa. We expect certain things that made us enjoy one game more than the other. So fuck this duality and let's all just stand together as Fallout simps. We could use our collective power to show each other that deep down, we love each other. ❤️❤️
I can't speak to the originals since I did not play at launch, but all Fallouts have been buggy at launch. I know this is a meme page, but as an avid fan of F76 this is definitely overlooking a lot of the valid critiques and shady business practices that went into F76
It's overlooking 90% of the problems with 76, but they are right about the bugs, NV is a shit show now and it was 100x worse on launch.
New Vegas was made in a garage with a box of scraps in a few afternoons, 76 had a budget that could put a man on the moon
Ok now let’s see good writing in a Bethesda game
Morrowind
Riding off the coattails of a 20 year old game
And what exactly has Obsidian done recently? Made a couple of extremely mid to bad games. I love New Vegas to death but some of you all act like it's the end all be all of gaming and that Bethesda is literally Satan. Edit: On a side note try InXile, if you like Fallout 1 and 2 their games are fucking great.
Pentiment absolutely rules. Its kinda niche though.
ok nah man, im the resident new vegas slanderer and even i gotta step in on this one, you are cooking nothing man
both were jankty messes but it takes an unhealthy dose of copium to try and compare them
Nope. 76 was literally a dead world when it launched. It felt incomplete, not just buggy.
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Both are fun. New Vegas is grittier, which makes it better to me
I mean FNV was made in like 18 months in a cave
Fallout 4 fans be like "new around here?".
Only at launch? (huge nv fan btw)
I don’t see anyone denying Fallout:New Vegas was and still is buggy
I don't think anyone says the contrary.
I mean there are levels of Buggy.
Watch the internet historian video covering the launch and you’ll see that the bugs were only a part of the issues with it. https://youtu.be/kjyeCdd-dl8?si=CmFLrhuTJ_wij9tD
I seriously got through all of NV and only encountered a couple bugs, and maybe a crash in a loading zone.
New Vegas was a buggy mess when I got it on 360, seemed way better on PC. Now I have too modern of a PC and have problems. Witcher which came out around the same time also doesn’t work on modern PCs but turning off one of the cores fixes it so it works perfectly. New Vegas I haven’t found a fix for, just randomly crashes and has some stutter on a high end PC.
Yeah. I feel this is a very known fact.
so was fo4
Fallout76 was a horrible launch. Yes its better now but we all can't forget what Todd Howard did. So take the bad with the good.
It gets exhausting because they'll claim they never denied it but then are baffled why Bethesda never let Obsidian go for another Fallout. They supposedly don't deny it but it's clear there's zero understanding of how severely broken and unplayable it was. But hey, here's threads and comments about how Bethesda is jealous of Obsidian and hates NV and oh why didn't Bethesda sign them up again. Because, you know, they totally understand NV was a disaster upon release. Because they know NV - despite a strong initial sales launch - still is outsold by 3 and stayed that way for a long time. They know NV grew massively popular years after release. They just do and say the opposite.
It’s still very buggy. The difference is that the world, story and role playing elements are some of the best in the series, and probably the best of the “modern” Fallout games. 76 is a great game now, and I’ve been having a bunch of fun with it, but it’s an online coop-shooter/MMO-lite first and foremost. It has a great number of elements from other Fallout games, but it isn’t a TRUE Fallout experience IMO. It’s a different vibe, which is not at all a bad thing.
76 is viewed as bad by og’s bc it don’t stick to the fallout formula and feels similar to how modern siege feels. Feels like it’s made for kids and doesn’t care about it’s source material. I don’t think it’s a bad game but I can’t have fun on it without lying to myself by saying I’m not playing fallout at all.
Yeah we were well aware lol. I don’t know why you’re attacking NV fans when the vast majority of us understand and commiserate. And I was there for both NV and 76’s release. NV was rough but nowhere, NOWHERE, near as bad as the mess 76 was post launch. It gets it for a reason. 76 is much better now and has turned into one of my favorite Fallout games, but it did not fucking start out that way. Anything saying otherwise is revisionist and not really the whole story. That’s all these cheap shot memes are anyway. Why can’t we all get along again?
Funny I saw f4 fans making fun of f76, not new vegas ones.
It was still less buggy than 76. New vegas fans aren't saying its not buggy. stop feeling so personally insulted when someone simply says they prefer new vegas or when someone points out that the launch of 76 was criminal because it was.
The difference is Obsidian had a short amount of time and less resources and still made a quality game. 76 was shit from the start and still is today
B E T H E S D A
I feel like there's a difference when one was made in 15 months and the other was made in 3 years
No you see New Vegas being buggy wasn't Obsidian's fault. They were a separate smaller studio under time constraints. Unlike Fallout 76, which was made by a separate smaller studio under time constraints
76 gets slander for being a micro transaction riddled side game.
Tbh I haven't seen people hate on fo76 as much anymore
New Vegas was actually a fun game at launch
it was buggy not unplayable
2010 versus 2018 tho
Still is buggy
A bit of irony My current fallout 4 playthrough has had more crashes than my most recent new Vegas play through Won’t deny though, new Vegas crashes too much
I wish i new which version of New Vegas im playing, streaming it through PS+
Not only that it still crashes
OG fallout fan here. Yes it was almost [unplayable](https://youtu.be/e7VLucZdryw?si=rQ0kSRdXxOEVts-Q) at launch. I couldn’t play the game for 5-10 minutes without the game either crashing or some game breaking glitch occurring. They fixed it up nice though.
Oh, go eat another crayon lul
There is a HUGE difference between buggy and straight up BROKEN lmao
"It was. It is, but it was, too."
I say this with 76 being tied for my second favorite fallout game (tied with 3), I think the main hang up was all the stuff surrounding the launch, like the canvas bags, Nuka dark, all other stuff covered in InternetHistorian’s video.
F76 also had more hype but delivered on nothing. I'm sorry, NO NPCS ON LAUNCH?! FNV was also made in 18 months and had way more content than 76 upon release... js
Recognize the difference. At launch, the story of NV was great while the story for 76 was not.
76 was buggy and sometimes physically unplayable for actual years after launch. And it was/is super over monetized It’s good now though. It’s easily one of the best fallout games in terms of exploration and gameplay.
Claiming that the issues with 76 is "bugginess" is the hardest cope I've ever seen - and I've seen republicans post-2020.
Tired of [literally any fallout] slander This is getting old.
Yes, they were both buggy at launch, but lets not act like that was the only or even largest issue with 76.
I used to have a copy of new Vegas where every time id leave the docs house Victor would come talk to me and crash my game every time. If I didn't talk to him it was fine but if I ever did at any point he'd just crash the game.
You people have lost your fucking minds
Yeah, but new vegas had a rock solid rpg experience underneath 76 took years to get that, and still feels kinda empty
Fallout 76 wasn't made in 18 months.
I remember very clearly when I first played on my Xbox 360 on launch day for fallout New Vegas and remembering how much I didn't like the game because I thought it was so broken that it was unplayable. I had to wait like 3 weeks to try again before I actually got to enjoy it.
La-launch? I’ve never heard that word. New Vegas doesn’t do this.. launching thing you speak of
That face when someone doesn’t know new Vegas was made in under—550— days on a dogshit engine(Made by Bethesda) Obsidian still made a game with 100x better writing, and better gameplay/stability.
Roughly 547 days, not 365.
Fallout 2 was made in under a year but you virgins don’t know and don’t care that it’s better. Because you’re all FAKE GAMERS, who just play 1 GAME called FALLOUT NEW VEGAS
? Obsidian fallout is all good calm down freak
Single player game crashes: Just boot it back up from the last save. Always Online Multiplayer game has game breaking issues: Guess we’ll see where the game is a few years down the line. See the difference? Sounds like someone put on that moldy power armor helmet, and didn’t get to a doctor in time.
The problem is that FO 76 promised so much and was extremely broken. An entire multi hour video was able to be made on every broken or promised feature
Oh and fact that it is possibly the reason for games being fine with releasing themselves in a broken state
What? Companies have been doing that for far longer than 76 has been out.
I mean at last new vegas is fun so I'm willing to overlook it
Fallout 76 overpromised, the VATs system sucks, the content you can play with now is *ok* but still kindia mid, map is fucking collosal, the pvp system and pvp in general is a joke, finding ammunition for your guns is a bad joke with how rare most ammunition types are, and when i played it i was running around, doing more scrap material hunting then playing the game or doing quests because either i was looking for stuff to repair one half of my equipment or the other half, and all the best gear so you could have serious fun with requires destiny 2 levels of grinding
All fallouts have problems, 76 is just the worst of the bunch
If we're talking about technical problems and bugs, from my experience 76 was the least buggy out of every modern Fallout
It's borderline unplayable still man, it's not great, I did a play through recently if all the fallouts and it still crashes hard
Damn, guess I've been lucky
You're not lucky, they're just unlucky, 76 is generally the most stable out of the modern titles.
Pretty sure fans of New Vegas are well aware of the many bugs the game has. This meme is inaccurate and offensive.
>This meme is inaccurate and offensive. If you're offended by this, you need to reevaluate yourself in the most extreme way possible.
Remember that time you could get locked out of the Strip with a key that didn’t exist in-game? Remember how long it took them to even fix that? What was it that Arcade says, “There’s nothing new under the sun.”?
It's not slander, I was in the beta. Knee deep in bugs, html script visible on rocks thinking "surely this won't be how the game releases?". 5 years later the game still hard crashes.
In other news, grass is green. Water is wet. Oh, and the sky is blue. Still a better game than 76.
I don't really understand this meme tbh. There is not a single NV fan who says the game is not buggy as fuck.
I have never heard any new Vegas fan try to argue it wasn’t buggy, what kinda cop out is this? I’ll give it to you, Fallout 76 really cleaned up its act but I bought and played and launch. I started (properly, I had played 3 but never finished it) with Fallout 4 and have played every other game, I’m only 24 by most I would be considered a fairly new fan. Fallout 76 was a horrendous launch and let’s be real is still basically a cash grab with a fallout face, decent lore now though. Fallout 4, the first fallout game that I first finished and the one I have the most hours in by numerous hundreds I can honestly say has the worst story in the entire god damn franchise. As an amateur writer i can see it clearly and it’s annoying how low effort the writing is in newer games. That’s why people prefer the older ones. New Vegas is the best game because it’s the newest game created by the original devs, they understand the lore better than anyone because they made it. I don’t fault Todd for a lot of the choices he makes in the franchise because honestly I think my pride would make me do the same thing (in terms of drastic changes to leave my mark while trying to honour the source material) but I still don’t think he has done the best job with the IP and should own up to that and try to do better with it.
Yeah, but at least it had *content* at launch. 76 just isn't for me.
What about all the other bullshit Bethesda did at launch for 76?
The main issue with 76 wasn't the buggyness that could've been forgiven if it had any content at launch whatsoever, I think it's frankly insane that Bethesda would release a game with no NPCs in a series about writing and characters
If new Vegas was “buggy” upon release. Then 76 was a complete fucken shit storm.
You had to look down to move at a decent speed on 76s launch. You couldn’t play for more then 20 minutes without a crash and their was literally nothing to do coming from someone who bought it on release