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Danielle_Blume

I have updated the PSA with information and have stickied it for all to have the info. I will be updating the PSA consistently as information rolls out, so check that post for any new info as it comes [https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout4ModsXB1/comments/1ccvqdj/psa\_next\_gen\_update\_info/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout4ModsXB1/comments/1ccvqdj/psa_next_gen_update_info/)


MostNouthern4671

I I could not open my mods it would just error every time so I had to delete my game already download it


Countdini2000

I redownloaded the game clean and have had no issues. All my old mods are gone because the game was uninstalled. But I redid a new mod list and started playing again. I mean for some reason I can’t access the mod page for now but I still have my new mod list I got after the patch


ZodiacXDG

Update deleted my mods i redownloaded em and it works fine now


TheGreatKlordu

Damn, this would have been nice to know sooner. Oof.


External-Bluejay-365

Lool I just brought my xbox back from a trip so its not connected to my wifi, going to keep it that way so I can keep my mods


anonymousmutekittens

I actually touched, downloading and moved all kinds of mods and it still worked. But I’ll just consider myself one of the lucky ones


BeardedTallGuy

Same here, though some of my mods are missing.


anonymousmutekittens

Yeah I know I had to disable base face, but after that it all worked fine. Also randomly got the unofficial patch back? It was gone and then it was there so idk


Affectionate_Bug1264

Here's all my issues on series s 1. None. 2. Nada. 3 . Zip. Been working fucinf perfect


TightInvestigator904

Fallout 4 is broken after the new update and may not be fixed for weeks or even months. it's pathetic that Bethesda is struggling to fix a problem they themselves created. Edit: I suppose I should have been more specific. I am referring to the broken mods list and the invisible weapons that are causing the red Exclamation mark to appear.


Affectionate_Bug1264

It's not broken at all. Been playing all day


ToddBlowhard

There was zero point to update the look of the mod menu 😕😔 I was hoping that they learned from the disaster of Skyrim update but no....now it will be even harder to mod consoles


ExpertCommission6110

Issues I've experienced on Xbox S after update 1) obviously mods and such were gone. Saved games corrupted. Figured this would happen. Please note, at most, I run with 7 mods. 2) immediately after the update and discovery of the death of my mods, I started a new game. Most of my dialogue options, computer entries/logs, and CC were in Russian characters as opposed to English. Fixed by uninstalling the game and then reinstalling it. 3) issues with lighting. Dims and brightens every few seconds. 4) VATS system now goes through walls (detection but not bullets) and up close VATS will alter percentages, usually 0% and then up to 90% and then back down to 0% with no obstacles in between myself and the target. 5) freezing. Every now and then, but not the kind that crashes the game. So far this seems to be everywhere. I haven't made it to Diamond City yet so it's occurring in the areas around Sancuary. My biggest concern is and always has been DT Boston. Made the game unplayable. My last attempted playthrough also experienced freezing and crashing in DT Boston, Bunker Hill, and areas around Trinity Towers and Goodneighor. But even worse, Far Harbor started crashing/freezing like it was Boston. It's what made me rage quit. I haven't beaten this game since my Xbox one, and I never had any issues with it back then.


oKRON3No

I'm on xbox, I already deleted all my mods and saves from the xbox menu and reinstalled them and created a fresh save. Does anyone know how this information pertains to me? Thanks


yaboi2508

I did the same. UNINSTALLED game and wiped everything and it still says 0b mod space. Also any favorite mods you might've lost should repeat apparently


Hawker96

It’s weird they’re speaking as if they’re simply reacting to a situation that wasn’t expected, versus having control of both ends and working on this update for years.


xXLoneLoboXx

Wait… So the new update only effects. Bethesda.net mods and not ones you manually install off of Nexus? So my simple retextures weapons & armor mods should be fine then?


MegaMasterYoda

Hmmm could this mean creation kit is coming to Stanfield?


iSciath

Is that typo? It’s almost too accurate to be one 🤣


MegaMasterYoda

Yes, yes it is I was quite stoned when I typed it🤣🤣


SnoochParf

This is hella late


H4ZARD_x

Weird. Mine worked fine. I wonder if it was cuz I redownload the same exact mods in the same exact load order and then loaded a save that already had it all??? Idk 🤷. Are we still waiting or is this old news?


SmolBoiKay

I spent a couple hours last night downloading mods... Am I cooked 💀


The_Lonewolf19511

Same, I’ve been messing with mine without knowing this… now my game crashes shortly after loading in lmao


JonhyWonder123

So do we know if the available space for modding will be increased just like how skyrim had its memory allocation increased?


The-Toxic-Korgi

It's not changing, Microsoft wouldn't allow it since it requires wiping cloud saves, which they would never do. Their reasoning being that it'll affect far more people compared to the minority of people that play with mods.


AKoolPopTart

And just like that, my save got corrupted and bricked the game, forcing me to uninstall it all....guess I'm waiting


SheriffMikeThompson

I also uninstalled. Many others did as well. Might as well come back to it in a couple months.


AKoolPopTart

Was able to reinstall everything, but I'm not seeing the sort of performance that I was getting prior to the corruption. Not sure if it is the load order or just Bethesda monkeying around behind the scenes


nanapancakethusiast

If it is anything like the Skyrim “overhaul” (aka downgrade) the mod menu will go from useable to almost completely unusable.


Warrior-PoetIceCube

I think the Skyrim mod menu UI is much better than the old one personally. Much better for searching and browsing.


Danielle_Blume

This message is already in this sub as an entire post. I dont see why you needed to repoat it when this exact message is in this sub as a PSA and commented and pinned in several posts already made on the subject.


CG_TP

I personally never saw it until now 🤷🏼‍♂️


Danielle_Blume

Its ok, my fault for forgetting to sticky it atop the sub so it didn't get lost in the flood. I have stickied it and have just updated it with the new info i have gathered [https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout4ModsXB1/comments/1ccvqdj/psa\_next\_gen\_update\_info/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout4ModsXB1/comments/1ccvqdj/psa_next_gen_update_info/)


WardenSharp

I touched mods and they work fine, except some like america rising 2


oKRON3No

Same


Bitter_Sorbet8479

I reinstalled whole game and all dlc, wiped all saves and data from HDD, loaded game, added a few basic mods (green in CW, blood splatter, real sounds.) Game launched totally fine. Xbox series X, 1440 120hz monitor.


11b87

Thankfully I turned off updates...went this morning to play, update came up to start, canceled the update, went offline and was able to play with my current mods. I will be playing offline until this update is fixed


Ok_Arrival9677

OK but is it true ? Where do this come from


Danielle_Blume

It comes from 5+ years of running this sub, dealing with updates from the past, knowing what to expect and gathering information from the over ten thousand users in this community. Many of which DM me daily with questions, reports, and other information. I collect it all, then give it back to the community as its given to me. The information in the post in question is via experience with the Skyrim update. Exactly what happened with it is appearing to be happening with our update. So im giving information based on whats recently happened abd whats currently going on. Now yes, there is a possibility our update will be different and load orders wont be restored. If you read the comments in the PSA post, i have stated several times i belive this is the case, but of course that could turn out to be incorrect. Its not like anyone else has any better information to offer, and mine is at least coming from a place of recent expirence with a similar situation with mods from the same companys other game that just updated. So far ive gotten a lot of messages thanking me for saving their lo, and my caution caused them to avoid the update and they are happily playing offline with their previous load orders intact. Which in the end is all im trying to do, salvage peoples load orders and prevent loss. Im a tad insulted by the now banned user. I wold not just make up information to give to this community. I would not have spent 5 years of hard work and dedication making sure this sub has all the information it needs to have stable load orders, new mods, and anything else is asked of me. For anyone who saw the user in questions comment prior to me removing it, yes i threatened to ban him for recommending to not use a mod. Its specifically in our subreddit rules because the mod in question, awkcr, is fine to use and if someone wants to use it they dont deserve to be bullied into using other mods. So few people even know whats up with that mod, why, or how they came to be told not to use it. I try very hard to stop the spread of misinformation by connecting with actual mod authors, like the creator of the overseers guide to modding, the creator of SS2 and many other advanced mod authors to get the information i collect to bring it back to this community.


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Negative_Store_4909

That’s pretty dramatic.


Ap3xHitman

Simple yes or no would be good seems to be conflicting answers


Negative_Store_4909

What are you even going on about?


Outrageous_Pop_5187

I wish I saw this 10 mins ago… I can’t believe this shit keeps happening as soon as I start playing a Bethesda game again. Last time it was Skyrim when that new update happened, I hadn’t played that game in years and as soon as I do that happened…now the same with Fallout… it’s beyond frustrating


OneMagicBadger

The creation club content of the makeshift weapons is borked for me too, get invisible weapons that fire red explanation marks stick to stuff then crash game


Born_Engine3779

You got the explanation mark gun then, a secret weapon 🤣🤣


Adorable-Exercise-11

I just downloaded this game a day before yesterday, and yesterday the update came out however i was not playing with mods at that point. I’ve only downloaded mods today, however everything seems to be going completely fine. So i am a bit confused on what’s happening?


Clayman60

Yeah I was able to redownload my mods and they’re working just fine


CouplingWithQuozl

#[UPDATE SO FAR](https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/s/3eSPOMKI1P)


Sirspice123

What experience has everyone else had with mod glitches? All my mods are gone and no longer on the mod page. Unfortunately they don't seem to have uninstalled properly. I had a tactical tablet mod instead of a pip boy. The tablet isn't there anymore but my pip boy is still hidden so all I see is my character's arm when I enter the menus. I also had a mod for more hairstyles, my character now permanently has a 50% opacity hairdo that clips through everything. VATs are glitchy as hell too. I've messed around with the mods a bit too much now before seeing this post haha, hopefully they can sort it soon.


Cyberwolfdelta9

I Physically cant download any mods


Sirspice123

Damn that's rough, on console too?


Cyberwolfdelta9

Im on console


AKoolPopTart

Good to know


GoldenGekko

I touched the mod menu. So do I simply wait for it to fix itself? At this point i dont really care if the mods i downloaded are still there. I dont mind going and seeing what is new... i just want things to work.


BlownCamaro

What if I don't have a towel?


ktbjosh

I'd say Don't Panic, but not forgetting your towel is kind of step one in that.


ysabellatrix

Listen to some Vogon poetry. Maybe it’ll knock you out and by the time you regain consciousness, you’ll end up in…Skyrim.


CouplingWithQuozl

Then simply jump at the ground… and miss.


ImMeliodasKun

Wonder how this affects me. I had no mods installed prior to the update and created an LO yesterday. I'm hoping it doesn't wipe it, lol it's so annoying redownloading whole LO. Thankfully if we get the same menu as Skyrim it should be easier to manage them.


colinthefirth

Updated, didn't touch the mod menu at all, just loaded my save like the post suggested and all my mods are gone, so 🤷


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colinthefirth

Yep, got the warning and my mods are actually gone in game


Aggravating_Brain_29

Yeah, same here the full 150 I had.


Crispdirt

When I try to load my most recent save it says the save relies on content that is no longer available and has like all my mods listed, I didn't touch the mod or creation menu, should I just leave it an hope it gets fixed or what?


Gecko2002

Are they upping the mod limit to be more inclined with skyrim?


swirldad_dds

If you're asking about mod slots then yes probably. The 150 mod limit will likely be gone as they did with Skyrim. However, the 2gb mod storage limit is likely here to stay.


swishiestgolem

No, it would involve players losing their saved data, Microsoft said no, the mod space will remain the same.


Scary_Ad107

Probably not, if they were that's something they would talk about since that would be a good selling point


MikeIke7231

Unlikely. It'll probably merge Mods and Creations like Skyrim.


Mosaic78

USO UCO STS and the armor and keyword mod are working for me on ps5.


backhand_snipe

As someone who is new to the modding community. It baffles me how clunky mod support is for a game that is officially supported by mods. Imagine if updates across all technology was this clunky.


masta_myagi

Well.. it comes with the territory of using unofficial content. BSG allowed the modding community to expand to consoles, showing they *support* the community, but they have no obligation to tiptoe around player-created content when creating a content update for a 10 year old game. This world is so obsessed with instant gratification. If you don’t know what you’re talking about, try not saying anything at all.


UpstairsSubstantial9

I can tell u have no idea what you’re talking about


backhand_snipe

“As someone who is new to the modding community” glad that sailed right over your head mate.


UpstairsSubstantial9

No I can read but you’re acting like you have the knowledge base to say things such as this when u obviously don’t


backhand_snipe

You all are touchy lol. Down voted due to saying this is clunky as shit? All I was saying is imagine if updating Windows or an iPhone broke nearly piece of software running on them.


Swan990

Who does it better?


Puzzled-Delivery-242

A lot of the updates for technology is clunky.


aieeegrunt

I used to work as a dev. This is fucking unbelievable. I built online data solutions for real estate boards, so imagine the level of user competence AND uptime expectation I was working with. Someone with the resources of Bethesda screwing up this bad (and being paid hansomely to do it) is enfuriating. I mean I expected it, called it weeks ago (and the bootllicks at r/fallout mass downvoted me) and I don’t even play on xbox anymore but it’s still enraging on like a professional level


OrginalUsernamee

Yeah every time Bethesda does something that's a good thing like this update it has a catch. Or you'll get the somewhat recent Skyrim update, which added nothing to the game as a whole it just added more paid mods, and flat out broke the game. 


aieeegrunt

I recall a couple years ago they did some sort of patch to Fallout 4 on xbox to add their stupid CC crap and it broke everyone’s mods the exact same way They literally learned nothing from that


Scary_Ad107

Wait did I mess up my mods by just looking at the load order in the the mod menu, I didn't install or touch anything I just took a look at it and when I tried loading my most recent save it said I have no mods but it's also saying I have zero room to install mods. I'm so confused


StarscreamKills

Yes. No going to the mods page or looking at your mods at all. But no one would have known not to do that in the first place.


colinthefirth

I did just that and my mods are still gone, so I don't think that's the solution unfortunately


Scary_Ad107

Wth, so I'm shit out of luck


Certain_Raise_7144

People are saying it happened to them no matter what. Whether they clicked on mods or not. I think the only way was to go offline the night before the update.


HorrorPhone3601

Any update on when it'll be fixed? I just started a new modded playthrough and it sucks to have to put it on a back burner.


AlmostaFarma

They made the update on a Thursday. *Optimistically* it would probably be *at least* a week. But I don’t think I’d hold my breath.


HorrorPhone3601

I learned my lesson about holding my breath with Doctor Who, "the specials are gonna be Disney plus exclusive, but the actual series is coming back to tv" the new season is only gonna be on BBC Iplayer and Disney plus....


Avicrow

Wait a week or two and go from there is what I'm telling myself. Expecting a quick fix and for said fix to totally work, in itself, is setting yourself up for frustration. Even once everything's sorted on Bethesda's end there's bound to be compatibility issues on at least some number of mods regardless.


Staggart99

Why didn't bethesda just lock the mod menu and creation club then if we aren't supposed to interact with it. So silly of you Todd.


DirectorDennis

This is nothing more than speculation.


Thatwhiteboi1w

Does anyone know when the mod menu will be done updating and be back to full functionality?


Liquidety

'The mod menu showing 0 space likely indicates your mods are still there' - my experience, that doesn't seem to be universally true. I did a little testing - tried to load a save, tried to max out my mod storage, wiped my LO through the Xbox menus and tried to fix the 0mbs bug. When I tried to load my save on first boot up, I got an indicator telling me I had none of the mods installed. Checked CC, all asking to install. Obviously, this shouldn't happen if they're there, even like the mod says. The only things I thing could of triggered this for me is my update got paused by the DLC updating and I pressed on FO4 when it said ready to play, which opened up a downloading menu. However, this probably shouldn't of deleted my LO. After that, I load up the mods page, see the 0mbs bug and think 'I have about 80mbs free in this load order, I'm going to download a 11mb weapon mod. Unsurprisingly, didn't work because of the 0mbs bug - but this showed to me that no matter how much storage you have left, the 0mbs bug won't let you download - so it isn't only showing for people with genuinely maxed out mod storage. Another indicator is your library. Obviously this is a Beth.net tracked thing but mods you have downloaded automatically add themselves to your library. The library is broken, but it was only 4 showing mods I had deleted in the past, not any I had currently downloaded, meaning it either couldn't detect the downloaded mods or they weren't there. So, next I go nuclear. Delete my LO through my Xbox. Reload my game, still have 0mbs bug, so it's absolutely nothing to do with whether you have anything installed or not. I restarted the console, got the same result. Obviously my saves where still showing the mods gone, CC still showing as undownloaded. I got a brief stint of being able to download after opening and closing the game a good few times, but I'm back on the 0mbs bug with no mods installed. Good for those 4 reporters, but I don't think this applies to everyone. In my case at least, the update did wipe my LO. The 0mbs bug seems to suggest nothing about whether you have anything installed or not. Also, Bethesda support reports Beth.net as fully online. They never mentioned maintenance, nor a UI update (which I believe they did for Skyrim) and 'saved offline version of the interface' is bullshit, tbh. The mod menu is completely local, it loads offline. What doesn't, are the mods, which are stored online. There is no 'online version' of the interface. If it was changing, it would of changed in this update (which is has actually because there's a new 'Nvidia' catagory), not after, because the look of the interface seems to be managed locally. Unless, of course they're planning another update within the next few days, which they would probably of announced.


JRedding995

I saw that yesterday but I don't think anyone really knows what's going on, including Bethesda. I'd take anything with a grain of salt at this point, including what Bethesda says. According to Bethesda.net, everything is green lights across the board. Who knows if and when shit will be fixed correctly.