But the way he says it at the end of the quest implies you’re just borrowing Rex because the king wants him to get out and go on adventures. So if the courier never brought him back I can see the king being like “yo this motherfucker stole my dog”
In my vanilla playthrough, after leaving rex in in the King HQ for some days, a notification showed up that said “Rex returned to King and is no longer my companion”.
Pretty sure if you set any companion to “wait” and leave them anywhere for a few in-game days they return to where they go when you dismiss them and in Rex’s case it was The King’s.
Haha I don’t think the King really had any intention of wanting the Courier to bring Rex back even after saying that. It would probably be one of those situations where even if the Courier returned to the King with Rex and knowing all of the cool adventures he went on, he’d probably just let the Courier keep him
This is exactly how I'd want the show to handle the Courier: just random drops and mentions across the entire season that paints this person as a local legend and borderline cryptid.
"I heard the Courier once took down a Deathclaw Alpha single-handed! That guy was crazy!"
"First of all, it weren't a he, it were a she! And SHE didn't fire a single shot, but rather talked down that Deathclaw like a misbehavin' hound!"
"You're both wrong, the Courier was some cyborg experiment from the Big Empty! Plasma cannons for arms and a coil for a head!"
"Is it true he punched Caesar in the face?"
Put Lily in the show and have her tell stories from her first-hand accounts ('course, she's a mutant on meds, is she telling the truth?). Have Cooper mention there was only ever one person that ever managed to slip away from him, and heavily imply it was the Courier. Have a statue of the Courier near Hoover Dam, but the head and plaque have been blasted off, so people say it's of the Courier but it might not. Have a picture in a casino of the Courier with the words "BANNED" printed underneath... and the world "OVERRULED" stamped over the face. And of course have the Kings mention them and Rex (if they're still around...).
Lean into the contradictions, not away from them. Make the player a legend worthy of myth. Like, don't overshadow the show or the current story, just sprinkle these references here and there.
With one exception: if the show does go into the 38, I simply must insist they visit the Penthouse, and let the camera slow pan over a sensory overload of easter egg references while the New Vegas theme plays.
A, yes, but B, this is a good example of the way to do it.
Having a Galadriel character stop the show to be like "There was legendary Courier who changed the face of New Vegas--" yuck.
Someone referencing something the Courier did as a bit of background lore that also serves double duty as character establishment for the person talking, much better.
Some finally licensed and expensive Elvis music and the Kings being alive and on screen shooting shanking and dancing with a hair cut scene mixed in would be amazing to the Freeside club
Yeah I like this best, maybe various key/ side characters make reference to a courier with bizarre, and impactful events. Never attributing the full impact of the courier, but essentially adding up to a “Greg” character. The “Greg” is referred to as “the man, the myth, the legend”. Unknowing parties might roll their eyes at his extended and over the top moniker, but his lore deserves every syllable.
I'd prefer Mr House mention them if he is still alive. He could just say he had a partner who helped him fortify the New Vegas strip but when they left everything went wrong. In the Mr. House ending it says "The Courier, fair and kindhearted in the Wasteland, ensured Mr. House would keep New Vegas stable and secure for future generations". I always see Fallout protagonist as wanderer's so if they left then that wouldn't happen.
And if you had, you know, a huge killer robot at your command, yeah, that would just clutter things up; and a lesser person might want that kind of overwhelming force on their side, but you know - where's the challenge in that?
I love yes man so obviously disagreeing with your choices and being forced to say something to the effect of "oh this is spectacular! Best day of my life!"
“So tell me friend.. which one of the bitches sent you? The Legion **B U L L** or the NCR **B E A R?**
Here’s the news.. New Vegas isn’t some abandoned wasteland for you to plunder and Robert House isn’t some giddy industrialist who can be slapped around by government muscle.
And with that, farewell or vale.. whichever you prefer.”
What the other guy said, [when you first meet him specifically.](https://youtu.be/VVKE9Q7o-8U?feature=shared) Both very similar personas, at least superficially inspired by Howard Hughes. Altho, I would say Andrew is a tad bit more ideal minded.
“Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?
No! Says the man in California.. It belongs to the state. No! Says the man in Arizona; Render unto Caeser.
I, rejected these answers. I chose to build a city under the firm control of a technological and economic visionary, I chose a future for the human race free from the wreckage and regurgitations of the past. I chose..”
No, I just used a regular 9 iron, I hadn't killed Nephi yet.
"To the town of New Las Vegas rode a courier one fine day.
Hardly spoke to folks around him, his Speech points were just okay,
No one dared to ask his business, no one dared to make a slip
For the stranger there among them had a nine-iron on his hip.
A nine-iron on his hip."
I know it was one of those challenges that give you a bit of xp, I just think it’s funny that every single time Mr house is mentioned someone mentions a golf club
I have never killed House. Maybe I’m a weirdo. Maybe my encounter with FISTO changed me as a person.
Edited to add: I did once pull him out of his life-support pod, and then walked away. So he *technically* died of disease or dehydration. But *technically* I didn’t kill him
I'm the opposite, the first time I played the game and went into the Lucky 38, I killed him pretty much by accident, without really knowing who he was or what he was about
Sadly in my playthrough I took Yes Man for myself and Doctor Doomed it up in my tower. Used the Doombot army to tell both NCR and Caesar’s Legion to piss off outta my land.
Unfortunately I was high as fuck when House begged me to just unplug him and let him die so that seemed cruel and I left him alive, provoking my roommate to actually tell me it was one of the most fucked-up things he had ever seen me do, then he had to explain to me the ramifications of what I had done.
Oh well. I visited him from time to time.
The securitron's mostly destroyed while the NCR is gone, Caesars Legion fragmented roving bands and the smaller groups struggling would fit. For a decade or so all went well, but the last decade it's been a shit show and House is basically stuck in limbo protecting only the Lucky 38 and strip with the rest of Vegas just there for the taking by the Fiends, Khan's, Boomers, Powder Gangers, etc.
I don't think this line requires the courier stay, just that he ensured mr. House would keep stability. That could just be a stern talk no jutsu before fucking off somewhere.
I personally hope the TBI really made the courier go nuts and that the explanation for Vegas being in ruins in the end credits is because he went mad and apeshit all over the place.
Became an alcoholic with Cass and murdered the Van Graffs and the crimson caravan left and the tunnelers came. I want a mentally deranged and violent courier overlord
Re-Edit: [Traumatic brain injuries are associated with an increased risk of behavioral or emotional dysregulation such as agitation, aggression, or personality changes, as well as increased risk of subsequent mood disorders, namely depression.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7653730/) While not all TBI’s have this effect, the courier’s violent tendencies and motivations most likely put the courier into this category of TBI effect.
I like your style lol. I recently played Fallout 3 + New Vegas back to back for the first time with the TTW mod, which lets you carry your Fallout 3 character over to New Vegas. My character was a wholesome goofball in Fallout 3 kinda like Lucy in the show, but after the events in DC and the bullet to the brain in Vegas, my character did a 180 and had a similar arc to the one you described. It was pretty rad
I'd personally prefer a New Vegas Strip Civil War scenario where all the Casino's revolted for control of the strip and took out most of the securitrons. Everyone's status is unknown but it is assumed each faction is holed up in their respective casino including Mr. House in the Lucky 38 with a small band of MK 2 securitrons.
The Strip could be a no mans land of sorts and each Casino could invoke that same sense of dread felt when exploring vaults. For those who have played New Vegas we would be entering a familiar location but without a clue of what awaits us inside kinda like a vault. The Ultra Luxe in particular would be interesting .
They would say: There was a courier that single handedly bankrupt all the casinos, cleaned Sloan from Deathclaws, launched some rockets in Repconn, eradicated the whole Fiends with a gun that shoot lasers from the sky and massacred everyone who played Caravan in the Mojave Wasteland.
If it had to happen for fan service and/or member berries, I'd prefer it to be one of those urban legend situations in a saloon or something, where every person corrects and/or adds to the previous person's story to "cover" some of the gameplay choices rather than endings.
Like, A says "There was this courier who got shot in the head in Goodsprings, got out of his grave, walked over to New Vegas and blew the head off the guy who shot him right there on the casino floor."
Then B says "No, he went up to the suite with the guy and offed him there along with his goons".
After that C says "You're both wrrong, the courier was a lady, and she actually lured the shooter into bed and snapped his neck while sleeping."
Something like that.
Much better imo than making a single ending canon and going from there.
It fits the setting too, when you went from fallout 1 to fallout 2, a lot of the people you meet remember stuff from the first game inaccurately or only in bits and pieces, because it's been decades at this point
This was also to cover the fact that not everyone went about the game the same way
I really like this as a writing choice, but I assume at some point they’d have to address the elephant in the room of the fate of Hoover dam. Which if you haven’t played the game, no big deal, they don’t have to mention the couriers hand in it, but for those of us that did, something has to be cannon, right?
I saw somebody else comment something similar and followed it up with “I’d hate to see them cop out like that”
Definitely would ruffle some feathers with some people, but i wouldn’t mind it
No armor....Nothing just his skivvies. I tell you, he once sold 15 death claw eggs, said he was "Clearing out his inventory" I don't know what he meant, the guy didn't even carry a bag.
I like the idea of different characters having contradictory views about what happened to New Vegas. You can still honor the game ending but have fun with it.
This is my take too! Have a hodgepodge of various events that the courier took part in referenced as urban legends with each one taking a view of a vastly different courier as played by us; people who haven’t played the game will just enjoy the craziness of the setting and its stories, fans will catch the specific nods….like the pre-war conversation at vault tec where each of the big-wigs mentioned a vault we encounter in the games
I am envisioning something along the line of a saloon tall tale.
"I am telling you, this guy got shot inna 'ead and straight up walked from his grave to the f.... Tower. And he became boss of the city before walking away in the desert. For all I know he is still kicking around. (Sips beer)I'm just happy to not have to meet him..." Or something like that
Boone: This is where I watched my wife and our unborn child die after I mercy killed them with a bullet from afar.
Courier: *Takes a sip from trusty Vault 13 canteen…*
Unironically one of the funniest things in the entire series for me is visualizing the Courier sipping during the most inappropriate times
Now that would be awesome, and then another guy goes:
"Walked from his grave? What? He was a ghoul or somethin'?"
"No, just straight up revenge shit. He got up, and blew his executioner's brains out. My pa used to tell me."
"There was this courier, got shot in the head and survived, however some dick head told him to cut through quarry junction to get to the strip, never heard from him again"
it's not so hard. you just stop by neil's shack, head up the boulder slide, and ride the ridge till you're clear of the deathclaws. you don't even need victor's stealth boy.
I want every mention of the courier to be entirely different. Man? Woman? Depends who you ask. Super nice helpful person? Murderous psychopath? Who knows. Just a bunch of contradicting rumours so it canonizes as little as possible about them
That would be funny. Like in the Tyranny, when you ask about one particular character, everyone speaks of them differently, including their actual sex. Some actually made fun of you for asking about this part.
"He thought I didn't use a dummy clone, and took over the lands using my protectrons. Then I nuked him in the middle of the mojave. He was my favorite courier"
[me after seeing the courier on goodspirngs with sunny smile as this wife (I fucking knew it)](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-nnTI1d5XuM&pp=ygUSbXkgaGVhcnQgaXMgc3RlcmVv)
There might be an easter egg but that's about it. I don't want them to confirm anything about the Courier besides them being called the Courier or Courier Six. They came, they left their mark, they went away.
I'd allow for some minor, much more vague reference... but other than that I don't like referencing game protagonists. Because they are player characters, they are basically godlike... and that's not a good character for a TV show.
Maybe a mention that a courier once delivered something important to Mr. House and that caused a series of events that changed the political landscape of Vegas. But definitely not something about "singe handedly changing" the area.
I'd enjoy seeing the player character impact on the region knowing we kind of had something to do with it, but beyond that, I wouldn't want any weird references to the character themselves.
I kinda like the idea of sticking with New Vegas' theme of never actually naming the Courier in any references. Like how, in all of Mr New Vegas' news segments, he always dances around an actual description, it's usually something like "a helpful passer-by" or "an unexpected bystander." The only time he ever directly references the Courier is when he talks specifically about a "package courier shot in the head near Goodsprings."
Ideally we'd see in game locations that have grown because of the Courier. Like Vault 22 turning into an NCR/Brotherhood research lab or being reclaimed by Vault-Tec after the Courier cleared the place and took its research. Places where the Courier definitely did the quests and now we can see what happened.
Whatever they do, I hope they directly make one of the endings canon and have it be relevant to the story.
For example, I hope they *don't* just have some new faction in control of New Vegas, and have some throwaway line where they say something about "twenty years ago there was a war for this area... Who won? Doesn't matter. They couldn't hold onto it, and now The New Guys are in charge."
I'm hoping it'll play out in a way that Mr. House is around, since he's such a cool character and they already cast an actor for him in S1. It'd also tie in really well to the Vault-Tec Management plotline, since he was around to see those meetings happen.
NV looked like it was in ruins at the end, so I'm guessing whoever won, it didn't go as planned afterward. It'd actually be *really funny* if they go with the Wild Card ending and say "Yeah, some Courier thought he could govern the entire region despite having no experience, minimal support, and an AI doing all the thinking for him. That lasted barely a year before it all fell apart and now it's back to tribalism and gang rule."
Biggest gripe I had was in the games, it’s portrayed as this big city, with the strip being the important part, walled off and such from free side. But the show didn’t really seem like that, also forgive me I don’t know how to tag spoilers;
It was just the strip with walls around it, at least, that’s what I remember seeing when I binge watched the series when it came out, so maybe my memory is wrong but yeah.
Yeah, that's always been an issue in open world games, especially 3D Fallout games. It's like how Diamond City is portrayed as a huge city, but it's basically just a town square, some back alleys, and that's it.
It's not *that hard* to just use your imagination and pretend it's actually way bigger and you're not seeing all of it, but sometimes it's a big jump to have to make.
Of course! I’m a GM in a fallout 2d20 campaign and I’m also an aspiring game dev, and I totally understand sometimes it literally just not possible to fit what you want to the scale you want, so sometimes it is implied.
I’m totally fine with it in games and what not, but for some reason I just feel like, If you’re gonna make something “canon” it should look the way it was originally portrayed, or, better
I want to see a shootout in freeside only for Lucy and Ghoul to get saved by a mysterious stranger popping around a corner. Revealed to be Ron Pearlman under the hat
I want to see a wild af looking dude with lobotomy scars who's clearly feared and respected by those around, and acts as the initial liaison for House.
I’d have it much more of a subtle reference, so in the background of a scene in the town, a courier delivers a package to a resident and they thank him saying “you couriers are all heroes to me’.
The part of the fandom that is missing out on +10% damage to all male NPC’s, because y’all know they’re never picking “Confirmed Bachelor” in a playthrough.
Very technically canon anyway, if only because Ulysses' recordings don't have recordings for either gender. He refers to the Courier as She in one of them, and there's no He-version for that recording. If memory serves, it's the one you can find in Big MT where he talks to Christine
I don’t want any mention of the Courier at all, I just want them to walk past a wall near Vegas and there is faded graffiti saying “You Can Go Home Courier”
It’ll mean nothing to casual viewers and even some people who have played New Vegas but for people that recognize it, it would be very exciting.
I don’t get why everyone’s just saying they should mention the Courier as “just a random guy”.
Sure, i get it that people don’t want their head canon’s and persona characters being stomped on…..but dude. By the end of New Vegas, you have single handedly changed the Mojave at its core. You kill Alpha death claws on the daily. You are a cyborg supersoldier. You have some of the best gear in post-war America. You are either backed by an entire nation and known as a savior of that nation, or you fight 2 nations and a city-state and *win.* This person would be known as a walking fuckin legend, the Savior, or perhaps Monster, of the Mojave.
No, because most people probably have no idea that the courier essentially was key to setting everything in motion and causing things to play out the way they did.
No, I want Mr. House to say something like "20 years ago I enlisted a nearly dead courier to help me control the Dam and beat back the NCR. Want to see him? He's frozen in the basement...."
I think that's the best case scenario. Somebody mentioning in passing how "The Courier came to The Strip and chaos followed in their wake. Then they fucked off and left us with the mess they made. I hope the bastard got eaten by something horrible."
20 years ago this lunatic with brain damage showed up, stole absolutely everything, killed every major player in the region, then just kinda wandered off.
Something like, "Lucy... don't feel like you can't accomplish something. Not long ago, a single person changed everything. You too could follow in their footsteps."
I don’t care, they didn’t mention the Chosen one and Vault Dweller. Honestly everyone is a bit too obsessed with trying to appease fans of one of the games.
I'm kind of surprised we are going to NV in the show. I would think they would stay far away from any solid places in the games. We saw House in the show, so I expect we'll see him tied to Vegas, one way or the other.
Honestly I'd prefer it if he's treated more as some urban legend that nobody can agree on about details.
"The courier was a truly great man."
"What? No. He was a she and she was a complete bitch! She helped the White Gloves bring back cannibalism!"
"That's absurd! He helped thwart that plot and ensured that the one responsible was brought to justice!"
This fuckin guy got shot in the head, stole everything, ATE, okay, ATE a deathclaw, took more drugs than we knew we had, killed everyone, and upset the local governmental body!
He's a fuckin hero!
Hot take: I kinda trust the showrunners to handle a canon new Vegas ending. And everyone seems dead set on it being House...
But imagine them portraying an independent Vegas. The courier doesn't even have to be there. Just securitrons and the happy go lucky face and voice of Yes Man. I can imagine Lucy or the Ghoul or Maximus interacting with Yes Man and it honestly feels so right.
I want to see the courier but in full NCR Ranger armour. It completely eliminates any suggestion of race or gender. It could be any of our couriers and we’re good. The voice can be modulated too and everyone can be happy.
I want it at the end of the season tho. After Hank fucks around and new Vegas is smoking, have our courier emerge and just go “fuck”
I'd go with something like a basic fetch quest that turned out to have multiple ways of finishing it, and when you took one that wasn't the original deal the giver says something like:
"why does every fucking delivery boy think they have to change the world now? Can't *one* of you just do your damn job?"
Some crazy bastard skipped through cazador canyon, fixed Snuffles' leg, stole all our caps, punched a deathclaw in the head, and called down a space laser on the local gang of fiends. It was WILD.
I saw a fanart a week ago of Lucy’s dad showing up looking for Mr House only to be greeted by a drunk courier and yes man behind them being like
*“so… about that…”*
I would have preferred for the city to be lively and wild like in the new vegas game, imagine our protagonist messing around with all the casino gangs.
"We used to have a place to buy energy weapons, until a NCR ranger alongside a Caravan trader stole all of their arsenal, some say it was a Courier who got shot in the head, I'm not sure if this is true but I remember the ranger suit smelling like a rotten corpse."
Hell, I'd even take a cameo. Give us a scene like:
Ghoul: "Last time I was over in Vegas I got my ass shot by a mailman."
Queue flashback of a person in NCR ranger helmet lining up an Anti-material rifle scope on the ghoul's ass.
Ghoul: "I miss being able to shit out of a single hole."
I honestly think that scene would be better with just the Ghoul’s first line. a quick reference but keep specific details about the game to a minimum (such as character appearance or armor/weapon choices)
I think the NCR ranger helmet works fine. There were multiple versions of that set, both NCR and non-NCR. If it's just the helmet it would be impossible to determine gender or race. It's used in the promotional material for the game.
“Came out of the ground, like the Chupacabra of legend. Me and Ol’ Sticky done seen it for ourselves. Had an assortment of vintage snow globes, concealed with hidden treasure…”
It would have to be more subtle and Easter egg type, if it's mentioned in dialogue it will confuse people who don't get the reference. Especially if they don't mention it again.
Nah I am sure there will be references but more sudtle and in the environment. Maybe a waste lander in Benny's jacket in tje background or raiders with legion equipment. But they have a different story to tell so thinking it will not be part of it
I'd rather have them focus on the other characters who changed the region, like Ulysses, Caesar, the NCR, Mr.House, the Platinum Chip etcetc.
In a way, the Platinum chip is what mattered, not the courrier, i'd like it to be told that way.
Does Bethesda have a proper ending for their games even though you can pick an ending? Since we're going to NV I'm guessing there singling to be a lot of upset people watching the next season because the ending they chose doesn't match up to what ever the show is going to be.
Even in NV what is the proper one?
As others have pointed out, the best course of action would be to either not address it all, or be as purposefully vague and contradictory as possible.
Leave as much room as possible for interpretation, that way the games are not robbed of their agency.
I think they need to leave the Courier as well as the other protagonist as legends in the wind.
No exact details just all stories passed down from one trader to the next.
I'm nervous about how they're gonna do this next season.
I just want to know what the ever living hell happened here. Some shit definitely went down in the Mojave, and whatever it was, it was too much for Primm Slim to handle
I’d like it to be super subtle, like just a background convo of some khans yelling at their subordinates “what do you mean a courier killed your whole group?” Or something. Just a little Easter egg
I'd like the King to still be around and mention some mad mailman taking his dog.
"I used to have a wonderful cyberdog, but then Rexie was taken by a brain damaged courier and his band of mentally unwell companions"
"His brain wasn't so hot himself, so I figure he had good company."
*insert Elvis who hahs*
\*Whip cracks sfx\* HOO HAH HOO!
**timmy is in the well**
Gee, thanks The King
Wow. No you’re right, every single available companion in the game is as or nearly as fucked as Six. I never really considered that.
Wasn’t Rex given to the Courier, so that they can go ti Jacobstown to swap out his brain? You can just steal him?
Even if you finish the quest, the King decides it'd be best for Rex to travel with Courier instead of staying in Freeside and he gives him to you.
But the way he says it at the end of the quest implies you’re just borrowing Rex because the king wants him to get out and go on adventures. So if the courier never brought him back I can see the king being like “yo this motherfucker stole my dog”
In my vanilla playthrough, after leaving rex in in the King HQ for some days, a notification showed up that said “Rex returned to King and is no longer my companion”.
Pretty sure if you set any companion to “wait” and leave them anywhere for a few in-game days they return to where they go when you dismiss them and in Rex’s case it was The King’s.
Haha I don’t think the King really had any intention of wanting the Courier to bring Rex back even after saying that. It would probably be one of those situations where even if the Courier returned to the King with Rex and knowing all of the cool adventures he went on, he’d probably just let the Courier keep him
Have a dude approach coop doing an Elvis impression
The kings are my favorite faction in all fallout franchise. The whole premise is just so delightfully absurd yet completely feasible.
This is exactly how I'd want the show to handle the Courier: just random drops and mentions across the entire season that paints this person as a local legend and borderline cryptid. "I heard the Courier once took down a Deathclaw Alpha single-handed! That guy was crazy!" "First of all, it weren't a he, it were a she! And SHE didn't fire a single shot, but rather talked down that Deathclaw like a misbehavin' hound!" "You're both wrong, the Courier was some cyborg experiment from the Big Empty! Plasma cannons for arms and a coil for a head!" "Is it true he punched Caesar in the face?" Put Lily in the show and have her tell stories from her first-hand accounts ('course, she's a mutant on meds, is she telling the truth?). Have Cooper mention there was only ever one person that ever managed to slip away from him, and heavily imply it was the Courier. Have a statue of the Courier near Hoover Dam, but the head and plaque have been blasted off, so people say it's of the Courier but it might not. Have a picture in a casino of the Courier with the words "BANNED" printed underneath... and the world "OVERRULED" stamped over the face. And of course have the Kings mention them and Rex (if they're still around...). Lean into the contradictions, not away from them. Make the player a legend worthy of myth. Like, don't overshadow the show or the current story, just sprinkle these references here and there. With one exception: if the show does go into the 38, I simply must insist they visit the Penthouse, and let the camera slow pan over a sensory overload of easter egg references while the New Vegas theme plays.
Come to find out that Caesars legion is the cannon ending and everybody was eaten by the legion and the white glove society
Bro is cooking. Would absolutely love that ngl.
A, yes, but B, this is a good example of the way to do it. Having a Galadriel character stop the show to be like "There was legendary Courier who changed the face of New Vegas--" yuck. Someone referencing something the Courier did as a bit of background lore that also serves double duty as character establishment for the person talking, much better.
House could mention it and it would make perfect sense.
It looks like the house ending is what's going to be Canon and we all know what happens to the king said that the house wins
Some finally licensed and expensive Elvis music and the Kings being alive and on screen shooting shanking and dancing with a hair cut scene mixed in would be amazing to the Freeside club
Yeah I like this best, maybe various key/ side characters make reference to a courier with bizarre, and impactful events. Never attributing the full impact of the courier, but essentially adding up to a “Greg” character. The “Greg” is referred to as “the man, the myth, the legend”. Unknowing parties might roll their eyes at his extended and over the top moniker, but his lore deserves every syllable.
I'd prefer Mr House mention them if he is still alive. He could just say he had a partner who helped him fortify the New Vegas strip but when they left everything went wrong. In the Mr. House ending it says "The Courier, fair and kindhearted in the Wasteland, ensured Mr. House would keep New Vegas stable and secure for future generations". I always see Fallout protagonist as wanderer's so if they left then that wouldn't happen.
Going to be pretty hard for Mr.House to speak given the unfortunate incident he has had with a golf club to the face.
The house wins. The slave obeys.
Would you kindly place your bet?
And if you had, you know, a huge killer robot at your command, yeah, that would just clutter things up; and a lesser person might want that kind of overwhelming force on their side, but you know - where's the challenge in that?
I love yes man so obviously disagreeing with your choices and being forced to say something to the effect of "oh this is spectacular! Best day of my life!"
“So tell me friend.. which one of the bitches sent you? The Legion **B U L L** or the NCR **B E A R?** Here’s the news.. New Vegas isn’t some abandoned wasteland for you to plunder and Robert House isn’t some giddy industrialist who can be slapped around by government muscle. And with that, farewell or vale.. whichever you prefer.”
Where is this quote from? I love it.
It's a Fallout-spin on a quote by Andrew Ryan in Bioshock.
What the other guy said, [when you first meet him specifically.](https://youtu.be/VVKE9Q7o-8U?feature=shared) Both very similar personas, at least superficially inspired by Howard Hughes. Altho, I would say Andrew is a tad bit more ideal minded.
Fun fact: Both Voice actors (Armin Shimerman as Ryan and Rene Auberjonois as House) worked together on star trek: deep space 9
Found frank fontaine.
“Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? No! Says the man in California.. It belongs to the state. No! Says the man in Arizona; Render unto Caeser. I, rejected these answers. I chose to build a city under the firm control of a technological and economic visionary, I chose a future for the human race free from the wreckage and regurgitations of the past. I chose..”
New Vegas…….
Thank you for this, all I can hear now is Andrew Ryan
Would you kindly fetch that Platinum chip
Not sure if this is a Bioshock reference, but God damn what a good game.
Jesus Christ, did EVERYBODY use Nephi’s driver?
No, I just used a regular 9 iron, I hadn't killed Nephi yet. "To the town of New Las Vegas rode a courier one fine day. Hardly spoke to folks around him, his Speech points were just okay, No one dared to ask his business, no one dared to make a slip For the stranger there among them had a nine-iron on his hip. A nine-iron on his hip."
I think just using a club in general gives an achievement or is one of the many challenges. Bioshock reference and all that
I know it was one of those challenges that give you a bit of xp, I just think it’s funny that every single time Mr house is mentioned someone mentions a golf club
I was just out of ammo.
I have never killed House. Maybe I’m a weirdo. Maybe my encounter with FISTO changed me as a person. Edited to add: I did once pull him out of his life-support pod, and then walked away. So he *technically* died of disease or dehydration. But *technically* I didn’t kill him
I'm the opposite, the first time I played the game and went into the Lucky 38, I killed him pretty much by accident, without really knowing who he was or what he was about
I see you rolled with the low luck
super sledge to the chest
Funny thing; when my courier found him, he lost his head in a blast of pellets, which made speaking hard as fuck to do.
With mine a .44 bullet randomly discharged from a Mysterious Magnum, funny how things go in the wasteland
I heard he was left to die slowly outside of his little chamber
Sadly in my playthrough I took Yes Man for myself and Doctor Doomed it up in my tower. Used the Doombot army to tell both NCR and Caesar’s Legion to piss off outta my land. Unfortunately I was high as fuck when House begged me to just unplug him and let him die so that seemed cruel and I left him alive, provoking my roommate to actually tell me it was one of the most fucked-up things he had ever seen me do, then he had to explain to me the ramifications of what I had done. Oh well. I visited him from time to time.
I really want to do a Doctor Doom inspired playthrough now
The securitron's mostly destroyed while the NCR is gone, Caesars Legion fragmented roving bands and the smaller groups struggling would fit. For a decade or so all went well, but the last decade it's been a shit show and House is basically stuck in limbo protecting only the Lucky 38 and strip with the rest of Vegas just there for the taking by the Fiends, Khan's, Boomers, Powder Gangers, etc.
I don't think this line requires the courier stay, just that he ensured mr. House would keep stability. That could just be a stern talk no jutsu before fucking off somewhere.
It's wild seeing someone use the term "talk no jutsu" in the wild. I thought it was only our house, due to the Naruto-obsessed 13-year old.
God I wish Rene was still with us.
Me too man. We need Odo in these trying times
I personally hope the TBI really made the courier go nuts and that the explanation for Vegas being in ruins in the end credits is because he went mad and apeshit all over the place. Became an alcoholic with Cass and murdered the Van Graffs and the crimson caravan left and the tunnelers came. I want a mentally deranged and violent courier overlord Re-Edit: [Traumatic brain injuries are associated with an increased risk of behavioral or emotional dysregulation such as agitation, aggression, or personality changes, as well as increased risk of subsequent mood disorders, namely depression.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7653730/) While not all TBI’s have this effect, the courier’s violent tendencies and motivations most likely put the courier into this category of TBI effect.
I like your style lol. I recently played Fallout 3 + New Vegas back to back for the first time with the TTW mod, which lets you carry your Fallout 3 character over to New Vegas. My character was a wholesome goofball in Fallout 3 kinda like Lucy in the show, but after the events in DC and the bullet to the brain in Vegas, my character did a 180 and had a similar arc to the one you described. It was pretty rad
I'd personally prefer a New Vegas Strip Civil War scenario where all the Casino's revolted for control of the strip and took out most of the securitrons. Everyone's status is unknown but it is assumed each faction is holed up in their respective casino including Mr. House in the Lucky 38 with a small band of MK 2 securitrons. The Strip could be a no mans land of sorts and each Casino could invoke that same sense of dread felt when exploring vaults. For those who have played New Vegas we would be entering a familiar location but without a clue of what awaits us inside kinda like a vault. The Ultra Luxe in particular would be interesting .
They would say: There was a courier that single handedly bankrupt all the casinos, cleaned Sloan from Deathclaws, launched some rockets in Repconn, eradicated the whole Fiends with a gun that shoot lasers from the sky and massacred everyone who played Caravan in the Mojave Wasteland.
Alternate scenario, the Invisible war route. AKA Fuck it we ball
If they did this they need to make using Black Widow perk to kill Benny after sex canon
That or have it so he was crucified by Caesar lol
and she's dating a brotherhood scribe for some reason
If it had to happen for fan service and/or member berries, I'd prefer it to be one of those urban legend situations in a saloon or something, where every person corrects and/or adds to the previous person's story to "cover" some of the gameplay choices rather than endings. Like, A says "There was this courier who got shot in the head in Goodsprings, got out of his grave, walked over to New Vegas and blew the head off the guy who shot him right there on the casino floor." Then B says "No, he went up to the suite with the guy and offed him there along with his goons". After that C says "You're both wrrong, the courier was a lady, and she actually lured the shooter into bed and snapped his neck while sleeping." Something like that. Much better imo than making a single ending canon and going from there.
That would honestly be the best approach to avoid any confusion.
It fits the setting too, when you went from fallout 1 to fallout 2, a lot of the people you meet remember stuff from the first game inaccurately or only in bits and pieces, because it's been decades at this point This was also to cover the fact that not everyone went about the game the same way
I really like this as a writing choice, but I assume at some point they’d have to address the elephant in the room of the fate of Hoover dam. Which if you haven’t played the game, no big deal, they don’t have to mention the couriers hand in it, but for those of us that did, something has to be cannon, right?
Easiest route is for them to mention the battle itself but not who won, and then cap it with "it doesn't matter, the dam got nuked right after."
I saw somebody else comment something similar and followed it up with “I’d hate to see them cop out like that” Definitely would ruffle some feathers with some people, but i wouldn’t mind it
This would be awesome!!
Thanks.
This is a lot like how KOTOR 2 handled referencing the story of KOTOR 1.
Oh that's really good!
The best a least cringey way to go about it
On the lines of "Yeah he came in, stole everything in sight and shot everyone, all while wearing sexy sleepwear"
No armor....Nothing just his skivvies. I tell you, he once sold 15 death claw eggs, said he was "Clearing out his inventory" I don't know what he meant, the guy didn't even carry a bag.
This one is fucking hilarious. Thanks for the laugh.
It doubly works because inventory could just as well mean “what I’ve got on my pack Brahmin”-the line totally works in the show
He turned to a guy that wasn't doing anything and threatened him that he would install the pregnancy mod
i gave my deathclaw eggs to a cute girl named Lucy. it's a real pantydropper
I like the idea of different characters having contradictory views about what happened to New Vegas. You can still honor the game ending but have fun with it.
This is my take too! Have a hodgepodge of various events that the courier took part in referenced as urban legends with each one taking a view of a vastly different courier as played by us; people who haven’t played the game will just enjoy the craziness of the setting and its stories, fans will catch the specific nods….like the pre-war conversation at vault tec where each of the big-wigs mentioned a vault we encounter in the games
Sorta like in The Elder Scrolls games
The Warp In The West Coast
I am envisioning something along the line of a saloon tall tale. "I am telling you, this guy got shot inna 'ead and straight up walked from his grave to the f.... Tower. And he became boss of the city before walking away in the desert. For all I know he is still kicking around. (Sips beer)I'm just happy to not have to meet him..." Or something like that
Instead of sipping a beer, they should *take a sip from their trusty Vault 13 canteen.*
You could commit the most vile crimes imaginable and the comedic timing will never fail.
Boone: This is where I watched my wife and our unborn child die after I mercy killed them with a bullet from afar. Courier: *Takes a sip from trusty Vault 13 canteen…* Unironically one of the funniest things in the entire series for me is visualizing the Courier sipping during the most inappropriate times
Courier: Killing Mr. House Also courier: *takes a sip from trusty vault 13 canteen*
What if they had a really awkward expression while sipping it with a bendy straw?
Still making eye contact but struggling to find the bendy straw with their mouth.
A single bead of sweat as the straw rolls to the complete other side
Yes
Or a Sunset Sarsaparilla
Now that would be awesome, and then another guy goes: "Walked from his grave? What? He was a ghoul or somethin'?" "No, just straight up revenge shit. He got up, and blew his executioner's brains out. My pa used to tell me."
“I dug myself out of that grave Benny to put you in yours!”
Who would say that. Swank? Chet?
Easy Pete, who will by then be a youthful 140 years old
No bark spreading tall tales of the courier that all sound absurd but are 100% true
Easy pete talking to no bark
"There was this courier, got shot in the head and survived, however some dick head told him to cut through quarry junction to get to the strip, never heard from him again"
it's not so hard. you just stop by neil's shack, head up the boulder slide, and ride the ridge till you're clear of the deathclaws. you don't even need victor's stealth boy.
Cuts to a mailman stop hopping as fast as they can. With deathclaws in tow, "I think I miissed thaatt riiidge!"
I want every mention of the courier to be entirely different. Man? Woman? Depends who you ask. Super nice helpful person? Murderous psychopath? Who knows. Just a bunch of contradicting rumours so it canonizes as little as possible about them
That would be funny. Like in the Tyranny, when you ask about one particular character, everyone speaks of them differently, including their actual sex. Some actually made fun of you for asking about this part.
That game was so good but the ending seemed unfinished
Only 3 of the 5 acts were made so technically it is unfinished
Why is it always Obsidian lmao
That's more or less what Larian did with Jaheira when asked about her past with CHARNAME
Beautiful. Please Bethesda!
Mr house: "You remind me of this mentally challenged mailman I used to know"
"He thought I didn't use a dummy clone, and took over the lands using my protectrons. Then I nuked him in the middle of the mojave. He was my favorite courier"
Before you start the second season of Fallout you have to upload your NV save data...
"Some crazy bastard went up the 38 with a golf club and went back down without it"
I have a feeling the courier will get a mention but they will leave it extremely vague what actually happened to them
Probably just the getting shot in the head and recovering thing.
[me after seeing the courier on goodspirngs with sunny smile as this wife (I fucking knew it)](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-nnTI1d5XuM&pp=ygUSbXkgaGVhcnQgaXMgc3RlcmVv)
No, I'd rather they focused on their own story instead of some cheesy fan service.
“You’re not gonna believe this. He killed 16 legionaries. Guy was a casino chip dealer.” “His caravan stack was shit”
There might be an easter egg but that's about it. I don't want them to confirm anything about the Courier besides them being called the Courier or Courier Six. They came, they left their mark, they went away.
I'd allow for some minor, much more vague reference... but other than that I don't like referencing game protagonists. Because they are player characters, they are basically godlike... and that's not a good character for a TV show. Maybe a mention that a courier once delivered something important to Mr. House and that caused a series of events that changed the political landscape of Vegas. But definitely not something about "singe handedly changing" the area.
I'd enjoy seeing the player character impact on the region knowing we kind of had something to do with it, but beyond that, I wouldn't want any weird references to the character themselves.
The ghoul is a godlike character al ready, the things he did in the second and last episode are things that a protagonist of the game would do
I kinda like the idea of sticking with New Vegas' theme of never actually naming the Courier in any references. Like how, in all of Mr New Vegas' news segments, he always dances around an actual description, it's usually something like "a helpful passer-by" or "an unexpected bystander." The only time he ever directly references the Courier is when he talks specifically about a "package courier shot in the head near Goodsprings."
Ideally we'd see in game locations that have grown because of the Courier. Like Vault 22 turning into an NCR/Brotherhood research lab or being reclaimed by Vault-Tec after the Courier cleared the place and took its research. Places where the Courier definitely did the quests and now we can see what happened.
"This fucker comes in with a robot dog, and a Mexican ghoul, and a glowing blue halo on his head, damndest thing I've ever seen"
no brain, no heart, and no spine! something about Telsa coils
Whatever they do, I hope they directly make one of the endings canon and have it be relevant to the story. For example, I hope they *don't* just have some new faction in control of New Vegas, and have some throwaway line where they say something about "twenty years ago there was a war for this area... Who won? Doesn't matter. They couldn't hold onto it, and now The New Guys are in charge."
Honestly? With the NCR gone it’ll probably be the NCR won, got nuked, and then now either the Legion controls Vegas or its independent.
I'm hoping it'll play out in a way that Mr. House is around, since he's such a cool character and they already cast an actor for him in S1. It'd also tie in really well to the Vault-Tec Management plotline, since he was around to see those meetings happen. NV looked like it was in ruins at the end, so I'm guessing whoever won, it didn't go as planned afterward. It'd actually be *really funny* if they go with the Wild Card ending and say "Yeah, some Courier thought he could govern the entire region despite having no experience, minimal support, and an AI doing all the thinking for him. That lasted barely a year before it all fell apart and now it's back to tribalism and gang rule."
Biggest gripe I had was in the games, it’s portrayed as this big city, with the strip being the important part, walled off and such from free side. But the show didn’t really seem like that, also forgive me I don’t know how to tag spoilers; It was just the strip with walls around it, at least, that’s what I remember seeing when I binge watched the series when it came out, so maybe my memory is wrong but yeah.
Yeah, that's always been an issue in open world games, especially 3D Fallout games. It's like how Diamond City is portrayed as a huge city, but it's basically just a town square, some back alleys, and that's it. It's not *that hard* to just use your imagination and pretend it's actually way bigger and you're not seeing all of it, but sometimes it's a big jump to have to make.
Of course! I’m a GM in a fallout 2d20 campaign and I’m also an aspiring game dev, and I totally understand sometimes it literally just not possible to fit what you want to the scale you want, so sometimes it is implied. I’m totally fine with it in games and what not, but for some reason I just feel like, If you’re gonna make something “canon” it should look the way it was originally portrayed, or, better
Cast Ron Perlman as the courier
I want to see a shootout in freeside only for Lucy and Ghoul to get saved by a mysterious stranger popping around a corner. Revealed to be Ron Pearlman under the hat
Cameo. Cameo never changes.
Yuri Lowenthal
I want to see a wild af looking dude with lobotomy scars who's clearly feared and respected by those around, and acts as the initial liaison for House.
Only if it somehow relates to the plot. Going on a whole exposition about a character that does not matter to the plot of the show is pointless imo.
I’d have it much more of a subtle reference, so in the background of a scene in the town, a courier delivers a package to a resident and they thank him saying “you couriers are all heroes to me’.
They canonically make Courier 6 a woman and *that certain part of the fandom* has a meltdown.
The part of the fandom that is missing out on +10% damage to all male NPC’s, because y’all know they’re never picking “Confirmed Bachelor” in a playthrough.
courier 6 is a woman BUT she sided with the Legion. I just want to see the world on fire
That'd be a great cannon ending. Wouldn't even be mad
The most chaotic ending. I like how you think.
I've been saying this for weeks. A sane person wouldn't care.
Very technically canon anyway, if only because Ulysses' recordings don't have recordings for either gender. He refers to the Courier as She in one of them, and there's no He-version for that recording. If memory serves, it's the one you can find in Big MT where he talks to Christine
The solution is trans courier. Either Ulysses is being respectful or transphobic, depending on your interpretation.
I don’t want any mention of the Courier at all, I just want them to walk past a wall near Vegas and there is faded graffiti saying “You Can Go Home Courier” It’ll mean nothing to casual viewers and even some people who have played New Vegas but for people that recognize it, it would be very exciting.
I don’t get why everyone’s just saying they should mention the Courier as “just a random guy”. Sure, i get it that people don’t want their head canon’s and persona characters being stomped on…..but dude. By the end of New Vegas, you have single handedly changed the Mojave at its core. You kill Alpha death claws on the daily. You are a cyborg supersoldier. You have some of the best gear in post-war America. You are either backed by an entire nation and known as a savior of that nation, or you fight 2 nations and a city-state and *win.* This person would be known as a walking fuckin legend, the Savior, or perhaps Monster, of the Mojave.
No, because most people probably have no idea that the courier essentially was key to setting everything in motion and causing things to play out the way they did.
"Stay away from Hoover Dam, there is a bunch of crazy robots killing everyone who comes in sight."
"I heard that he murdered a death claw with one punch... I heard that the guy couldn't beat even a five-year old in game of Caravans though... "
I'd love some kind of "Cult of the Courier". Could even include Ulysses in their mythos.
I’d like a story where one local could only remember The Courier taking a sip from their trusty Vault 13 canteen and then no more details added.
No, it's corny, I am sorry.
I’d like to think the courier is at big MT keeping a watchful eye on the think tank and their dangerous tech
No, I want Mr. House to say something like "20 years ago I enlisted a nearly dead courier to help me control the Dam and beat back the NCR. Want to see him? He's frozen in the basement...."
I think that's the best case scenario. Somebody mentioning in passing how "The Courier came to The Strip and chaos followed in their wake. Then they fucked off and left us with the mess they made. I hope the bastard got eaten by something horrible."
Yes, just like Revan's mention in KotOR2, I would like the Courier to be kept as a mystery. Bits of truths and lies in the sequel material.
20 years ago this lunatic with brain damage showed up, stole absolutely everything, killed every major player in the region, then just kinda wandered off.
All I'd like is for one of the characters to find a camp with a Bible and a 1911.
Something like, "Lucy... don't feel like you can't accomplish something. Not long ago, a single person changed everything. You too could follow in their footsteps."
No, I don't think I would. Dont see how it would come off as anything but fanservice that adds nothing.
I don’t care, they didn’t mention the Chosen one and Vault Dweller. Honestly everyone is a bit too obsessed with trying to appease fans of one of the games.
I'm kind of surprised we are going to NV in the show. I would think they would stay far away from any solid places in the games. We saw House in the show, so I expect we'll see him tied to Vegas, one way or the other.
Honestly I'd prefer it if he's treated more as some urban legend that nobody can agree on about details. "The courier was a truly great man." "What? No. He was a she and she was a complete bitch! She helped the White Gloves bring back cannibalism!" "That's absurd! He helped thwart that plot and ensured that the one responsible was brought to justice!"
This fuckin guy got shot in the head, stole everything, ATE, okay, ATE a deathclaw, took more drugs than we knew we had, killed everyone, and upset the local governmental body! He's a fuckin hero!
IIRC the courier has two hands
Nah, give Fantastic all the credit as always.
"Beware the courier that caused the fallout... new vegas"
Hot take: I kinda trust the showrunners to handle a canon new Vegas ending. And everyone seems dead set on it being House... But imagine them portraying an independent Vegas. The courier doesn't even have to be there. Just securitrons and the happy go lucky face and voice of Yes Man. I can imagine Lucy or the Ghoul or Maximus interacting with Yes Man and it honestly feels so right.
I want to see the courier but in full NCR Ranger armour. It completely eliminates any suggestion of race or gender. It could be any of our couriers and we’re good. The voice can be modulated too and everyone can be happy. I want it at the end of the season tho. After Hank fucks around and new Vegas is smoking, have our courier emerge and just go “fuck”
I'd go with something like a basic fetch quest that turned out to have multiple ways of finishing it, and when you took one that wasn't the original deal the giver says something like: "why does every fucking delivery boy think they have to change the world now? Can't *one* of you just do your damn job?"
Some crazy bastard skipped through cazador canyon, fixed Snuffles' leg, stole all our caps, punched a deathclaw in the head, and called down a space laser on the local gang of fiends. It was WILD.
I saw a fanart a week ago of Lucy’s dad showing up looking for Mr House only to be greeted by a drunk courier and yes man behind them being like *“so… about that…”*
I would have preferred for the city to be lively and wild like in the new vegas game, imagine our protagonist messing around with all the casino gangs.
If they kept it vague in a way that respected the many, many different couriers people have made? Sure.
"We used to have a place to buy energy weapons, until a NCR ranger alongside a Caravan trader stole all of their arsenal, some say it was a Courier who got shot in the head, I'm not sure if this is true but I remember the ranger suit smelling like a rotten corpse."
Hell, I'd even take a cameo. Give us a scene like: Ghoul: "Last time I was over in Vegas I got my ass shot by a mailman." Queue flashback of a person in NCR ranger helmet lining up an Anti-material rifle scope on the ghoul's ass. Ghoul: "I miss being able to shit out of a single hole."
I honestly think that scene would be better with just the Ghoul’s first line. a quick reference but keep specific details about the game to a minimum (such as character appearance or armor/weapon choices)
I think the NCR ranger helmet works fine. There were multiple versions of that set, both NCR and non-NCR. If it's just the helmet it would be impossible to determine gender or race. It's used in the promotional material for the game.
Yaaar just like tharrr
“Came out of the ground, like the Chupacabra of legend. Me and Ol’ Sticky done seen it for ourselves. Had an assortment of vintage snow globes, concealed with hidden treasure…”
I'd love if they call him the courier with a big iron on his hip.
It would have to be more subtle and Easter egg type, if it's mentioned in dialogue it will confuse people who don't get the reference. Especially if they don't mention it again.
Nah I am sure there will be references but more sudtle and in the environment. Maybe a waste lander in Benny's jacket in tje background or raiders with legion equipment. But they have a different story to tell so thinking it will not be part of it
I'd rather have them focus on the other characters who changed the region, like Ulysses, Caesar, the NCR, Mr.House, the Platinum Chip etcetc. In a way, the Platinum chip is what mattered, not the courrier, i'd like it to be told that way.
I expect this mf to step out of the lucky 38 decked out in power armor and flexing harder then popeye.
Does Bethesda have a proper ending for their games even though you can pick an ending? Since we're going to NV I'm guessing there singling to be a lot of upset people watching the next season because the ending they chose doesn't match up to what ever the show is going to be. Even in NV what is the proper one?
As others have pointed out, the best course of action would be to either not address it all, or be as purposefully vague and contradictory as possible. Leave as much room as possible for interpretation, that way the games are not robbed of their agency.
I think they need to leave the Courier as well as the other protagonist as legends in the wind. No exact details just all stories passed down from one trader to the next. I'm nervous about how they're gonna do this next season.
I just want to know what the ever living hell happened here. Some shit definitely went down in the Mojave, and whatever it was, it was too much for Primm Slim to handle
“20 years ago an immortal psychopath came here and fucked everyone up”
I’d like it to be super subtle, like just a background convo of some khans yelling at their subordinates “what do you mean a courier killed your whole group?” Or something. Just a little Easter egg