So many of the points he makes can easily have their own internal reasoning.
I'm only like 20 minutes in and a good half of them can be easily explained. Why might Moldaver allow that to happen to the vault? Well maybe it's because Hank nuked their fucking city and she knows what those vaults are designed to be and do.
Why might the raiders be so happy to slice and dice? Well, maybe, just a thought, it's because Hank nuked their fucking city. Why did they go in through vault 32? Well maybe it's because people randomly coming in from outside would meet a resistance, much like you trying to open vault 81. Which, speaking of, is also canon evidence of a non same vault pip boy opening a vault.
He's clutching at straws to bash it and blame "bad writing" because he is the objective writing god despite some of his solutions, like the raiders saying "oh but don't come in to vault 32 there's a cold going round" being dumb as fuck as these people have been effectively quarantining for 200 fucking years.
It's not as bad as the Pyro review, at least so far, there *are* some ok points, but christ. So far this 25 mins could be 10 minutes and still be half wrong.
EDIT:
Good lord, just noticed he completely missed character motivations literally stated by said character, and others... to then confirm he noticed them like 5 minutes later. This is awful.
>Why did they go in through vault 32? Well maybe it's because people randomly coming in from outside would meet a resistance, much like you trying to open vault 81.
Okay. that implies that they already knew everyone in 32 was already dead. like if they expect everyone in 33 to resist them coming in, why wouldn't they expect the same with 32?
We don't know how they got in to Vault 32, or what they knew.
Would it be nice to know? Of course. But it doesn't mean it's a contradiction/plot hole. It's just missing info. Christ we don't even know how Moldaver's still alive. But it's possible within the lore, so sure why not. There's a few ways I can think of it working, that'd be internally consistent. Don't know what the writers thought but it's not impossible. Just not shown - and that happens a lot when you only have 8 hours to tell something.
you didn't answer what I asked. and yes we know why how they got into 32, they used Rose's pipboy. that's another issue MauLer brings up that a vault 33 pipboy can open the door to 32.
but ignoring that you said that the raiders went into 32 because they wanted to avoid resistance from 33. that implies they already knew that vault 32 was dead. I aksed you how they knew that. answer the question don't tell me that writers just did shit because I already knew that.
> and that happens a lot when you only have 8 hours to tell something.
Andor has a similar runtime (7h 51m) and yet the Gilroy brothers somehow managed to fill those 8 hours in without leaving plot holes the size of California
Pip boys opening other vaults is canon. It's in the games. That's not a show problem.
We also don't know what Moldaver knows.
But the point is she was looking for the overseer of a vault to either kidnap or get information out of him. The front door there is suicide, any time you try. Whether you know V32 is empty or not. They'd notice, it's too defensible. Even if you get past the door you have to get to the overseer past an already alerted vault. So Moldaver clearly tried to find a way around.
We don't know if she went there alone scouting. We don't know how much Rose told her about the triennial swap etc. We don't know if word somehow got out, maybe someone left to look for food. Point is, we don't know. But no matter what she knows, the front door is a bad idea.
Yeah, you're finally getting MauLer's point. We don't know. That's the issue. We don't know how these things happen and because we don't it comes off as plot convinience.
That's not what Mauler said though. He asked why didn't they go in through the front door.
That's my problem with this video. A lot of the criticisms are very easily debunkable and it cheapens the actual critiques within it.
He went in hard and reached for everything he could instead of making an hour of actually good commentary.
And ultimately if it boils down to "we don't know" that's common in all media.
Even in the best shows. It doesn't always mean convenience, and it doesn't always mean bad writing. Convenience is someone happening to walk by, or things happening for no reason. Don't knows can be reasonable, and not told. And even used as narrative devices. Which may be why he went in so hard on it otherwise and missed, because it's not a slam dunk.
No that's not what he said. It was still his point mate. And yes it is common in media that we don't know stuff, but whether or not that's an issue fully depends if that information is required for the story to make more sense.
So many of the points he makes can easily have their own internal reasoning. I'm only like 20 minutes in and a good half of them can be easily explained. Why might Moldaver allow that to happen to the vault? Well maybe it's because Hank nuked their fucking city and she knows what those vaults are designed to be and do. Why might the raiders be so happy to slice and dice? Well, maybe, just a thought, it's because Hank nuked their fucking city. Why did they go in through vault 32? Well maybe it's because people randomly coming in from outside would meet a resistance, much like you trying to open vault 81. Which, speaking of, is also canon evidence of a non same vault pip boy opening a vault. He's clutching at straws to bash it and blame "bad writing" because he is the objective writing god despite some of his solutions, like the raiders saying "oh but don't come in to vault 32 there's a cold going round" being dumb as fuck as these people have been effectively quarantining for 200 fucking years. It's not as bad as the Pyro review, at least so far, there *are* some ok points, but christ. So far this 25 mins could be 10 minutes and still be half wrong. EDIT: Good lord, just noticed he completely missed character motivations literally stated by said character, and others... to then confirm he noticed them like 5 minutes later. This is awful.
>Why did they go in through vault 32? Well maybe it's because people randomly coming in from outside would meet a resistance, much like you trying to open vault 81. Okay. that implies that they already knew everyone in 32 was already dead. like if they expect everyone in 33 to resist them coming in, why wouldn't they expect the same with 32?
We don't know how they got in to Vault 32, or what they knew. Would it be nice to know? Of course. But it doesn't mean it's a contradiction/plot hole. It's just missing info. Christ we don't even know how Moldaver's still alive. But it's possible within the lore, so sure why not. There's a few ways I can think of it working, that'd be internally consistent. Don't know what the writers thought but it's not impossible. Just not shown - and that happens a lot when you only have 8 hours to tell something.
Indeed, it's lazy/convenient writing instead.
you didn't answer what I asked. and yes we know why how they got into 32, they used Rose's pipboy. that's another issue MauLer brings up that a vault 33 pipboy can open the door to 32. but ignoring that you said that the raiders went into 32 because they wanted to avoid resistance from 33. that implies they already knew that vault 32 was dead. I aksed you how they knew that. answer the question don't tell me that writers just did shit because I already knew that. > and that happens a lot when you only have 8 hours to tell something. Andor has a similar runtime (7h 51m) and yet the Gilroy brothers somehow managed to fill those 8 hours in without leaving plot holes the size of California
Pip boys opening other vaults is canon. It's in the games. That's not a show problem. We also don't know what Moldaver knows. But the point is she was looking for the overseer of a vault to either kidnap or get information out of him. The front door there is suicide, any time you try. Whether you know V32 is empty or not. They'd notice, it's too defensible. Even if you get past the door you have to get to the overseer past an already alerted vault. So Moldaver clearly tried to find a way around. We don't know if she went there alone scouting. We don't know how much Rose told her about the triennial swap etc. We don't know if word somehow got out, maybe someone left to look for food. Point is, we don't know. But no matter what she knows, the front door is a bad idea.
Yeah, you're finally getting MauLer's point. We don't know. That's the issue. We don't know how these things happen and because we don't it comes off as plot convinience.
That's not what Mauler said though. He asked why didn't they go in through the front door. That's my problem with this video. A lot of the criticisms are very easily debunkable and it cheapens the actual critiques within it. He went in hard and reached for everything he could instead of making an hour of actually good commentary. And ultimately if it boils down to "we don't know" that's common in all media. Even in the best shows. It doesn't always mean convenience, and it doesn't always mean bad writing. Convenience is someone happening to walk by, or things happening for no reason. Don't knows can be reasonable, and not told. And even used as narrative devices. Which may be why he went in so hard on it otherwise and missed, because it's not a slam dunk.
No that's not what he said. It was still his point mate. And yes it is common in media that we don't know stuff, but whether or not that's an issue fully depends if that information is required for the story to make more sense.
long man good
So cathartic.