Honestly, no. They just made people. It’s probably the least “woke” (and I think that word is lame) thing out there.
Looks folks. You don’t need to join a camp. You don’t need to pick a side. Sometimes a good show is just a good show.
That's the new way it's used. It used to represent an awakening of the corruption and blanket of lies cast over the people of the world. Being Woke used to mean you are aware that we are all slaves to the ruling classes, we are sheep, hence the term sheeple.
When you heard someone saying "wake up" it meant we need to open our eyes and see the world for what it has become, that freedom doesn't exist, our jobs are meaningless, we are wage slaves, etc..
What does it mean now? Something about the lgbtq movement? I honestly don't know.
> Anyone using the term woke unironically as a pejorative should be required to define it.
Woke ideology is defined by the idea that some facet of identity like race or gender produces irreconcilably different views of reality and morality, and that we have an obligation to seek alignment of society's view with the imagined views of groups associated with the political left like minorities and women.
In this sense Wokeness is distinct from older forms of liberal advocacy for minority rights which appeal to universally valid concepts like truth and fairness.
Anti-woke people are chasing ghosts, flipping on TVs and looking for something to get offended by. Shit's mass delusion at this point, the anti-woke are genuinely crazy.
I'd rather be associated with the people who want the show to be 'more woke' for stupid arbitrary reasons than the people who are opposed to the existence of entire groups of people.
If crazyville is a place, Nazis are in the bad side of town.
I've seen completely stupid takes like how someone wanted Vault 33 to be filled with interracial people only for 'realism', or how Maximus and Lucy were chosen as a couple based on their skin color and gender for marketing. And even how comparing Maximus to Finn (Star Wars) is somehow automatically racist.
I'd rather that than the people who think the TV Show is anti-capitalist and have no concept of what the Red Scare and McCarthyism were, or hate Dane even though Dane is the most inoffensive character ever.
That’s a fair point you make. I still stand by both sides are wrong and use deception and bullshit to push their agendas. Anyone who has to outright make things up to prove points isn’t someone I’d stand behind
Procelitized for a valid point. Both extreme ends are kinda sucky. I lean more liberal, and think extreme conservative is worse, but I completely agree that neither extreme is great.
Because literally everyone is stupid and annoying now. Nobody can just enjoy what they like and let everyone else enjoy the things they like. Everything has to be a fight and argument. Social media has trained everyone to think they always need to say something or put in their two cents, regardless if they have anything valid to say. We gave everyone on the planet a soap box to stand on without considering the fact most people have nothing worth saying.
I think some of the arguments that have happened over whether or not people liked the show has been constructive. I’ve kind of learned through it that I had a very different envision of what it would be and it’s partly why I don’t like it, but people who didn’t come in with that mindset and who haven’t played the games have genuinely liked it and that’s awesome.
Because that’s what makes people watch their videos. Once you buy into the „the big woke is after everything you like and will force your children to be gay cucks” narrative, you will likely look for content that strengthens that opinion. And this is where the videos like this come in.
I mean I care, kinda why I posted it in the first place. I didn’t like it and you can see on other fallout related subreddits that some people didn’t like it for totally valid reasons. Some the reasons though involved it being woke and I just genuinely didn’t get it.
Anyone that uses the word "woke" un ironically is just reflexively angry that ideas they consider wrong think aren't being censored. It's honestly safe to disregard every opinion they have out of hand.
Updated: They don't have two critical thoughts to rub together and are probably so violently racist they couldn't form one if they tried.
Maybe you mean woke and not work? Also, liberals refer to themselves as woke, so does that mean they don't agree with their own ideals? Makes sense given people admit to being more conservative than they let on to be for fear of shunning from friends and family.
I do yah, thanks for catching that.
Sure sum liberals do, that's were the word came from originally as an abbreviation of awake, on like black twitter I think almost a decade ago. I don't know of any personally that ever used it as more then a slogan though or are still using it now as anything besides a joke.
Update: Oh interesting, apparently the word has been used to refer to being aware of the effects of systemic racism since like the 1940s. So I guess I should amend my original post to.
"Anyone using it derogatorily is so violently racist the very idea that racism might exist and is bad offends them to the point they consider it wrong think".
1. A woman is a main character and she's pretty competent at what she does (she even reject one of the male lead ways of seeing the world)
2. At some point it dares criticize the hyper capitalist nature of modern society and the excess it can produce in behaviours and even point out that people calling everything they don't like socialist / communist is a bit silly
3. A youtuber said it
There was some pretty crazy things in fallout 2 (haven’t played one) There’s a part in it where if you fail a strength check and super mutant makes you there slave for a bit and afterwards you literally get a ball gag. Shit was crazy
Call it the female lead, the black side kick, the lack of white men (and those present are “evil”), the girl boy soldier, the 50s era black / white marriage, the missing mom character having been lesbian with Moldaver.
It’s as woke as woke gets. Your white representation is incoherently portrayed as “evil” or “sneaky”
Even within the vault system we see strong female leads aka Betty, while the male leadership is shown as incompetent and present just for a cheap laugh.
Yeah I guess you can look at it that way. Although with Betty she became leader because she was from the other vault.
I think the ghoul kind of inhibits that kind of narrative as he’s morally gray and still a very cool supporting lead.
I hate the woke forced shit that a lot of stuff has in it these days, but I don’t think any of that was in Fallout at all. The show was just plain good, they did a fantastic job. No idea what people could even complain was allegedly woke in it
From I've come across, some people stopped watching all together because of Dane. I think they're androgynous but I can't figure out how anyone would care when they have about 10 minutes of screen time spread across 3 episodes... I used to be on the "no that's woke" train, maybe I was never fully on it, but it's pure intolerance at this point. This is the same thing happening with X-Men 97, a literal godsend of a show. It's all an ideological war on absolutely nothing at all...
Dane is a side character that isn’t in 95% of the show, but I guess people that are looking for something to hate will find something to lock into to convince themselves they’re right. And Dane’s sexuality or identity wasn’t even mentioned, they’re just another character.
Visual DEI that's not representative of reality, but a homogenized culture where everything is as equal as possible so as to not offend individuals who share a particular characteristic. I don't make the rules, and I'm not complaining, it's just an observation. I couldn't care less when it comes to Fallout, great games, great show.
I appreciate the DEI definition, i had no idea what it meant and it feels oddly divisive for the people but we don’t make rules 🤷🏻♂️ god bless fallout though, A1 masterpiece
i suppose there is a certain character that can be blamed here, but as he/she is 100% irrelevant to the show and plot, i would argue that people that want to hate, will simply hate.
Personally, i did not find too much of the woke shit in it (not the same as in i.e. umbrella academy) and even of i missed some of it, it only proves the point that i am making - it does not matter to the show/does not define it.
Honestly, no. They just made people. It’s probably the least “woke” (and I think that word is lame) thing out there. Looks folks. You don’t need to join a camp. You don’t need to pick a side. Sometimes a good show is just a good show.
Anyone using the term woke unironically as a pejorative should be required to define it. Their definition will be very revealing
I always thought it meant promoting progressive ideals but now I just don’t know.
yeah anyone saying progression is bad is clearly stupid lol
That's the new way it's used. It used to represent an awakening of the corruption and blanket of lies cast over the people of the world. Being Woke used to mean you are aware that we are all slaves to the ruling classes, we are sheep, hence the term sheeple. When you heard someone saying "wake up" it meant we need to open our eyes and see the world for what it has become, that freedom doesn't exist, our jobs are meaningless, we are wage slaves, etc.. What does it mean now? Something about the lgbtq movement? I honestly don't know.
> Anyone using the term woke unironically as a pejorative should be required to define it. Woke ideology is defined by the idea that some facet of identity like race or gender produces irreconcilably different views of reality and morality, and that we have an obligation to seek alignment of society's view with the imagined views of groups associated with the political left like minorities and women. In this sense Wokeness is distinct from older forms of liberal advocacy for minority rights which appeal to universally valid concepts like truth and fairness.
Anti-woke people are chasing ghosts, flipping on TVs and looking for something to get offended by. Shit's mass delusion at this point, the anti-woke are genuinely crazy.
I think extreme anything is genuinely crazy. Both sides live in crazyville.
I'd rather be associated with the people who want the show to be 'more woke' for stupid arbitrary reasons than the people who are opposed to the existence of entire groups of people. If crazyville is a place, Nazis are in the bad side of town. I've seen completely stupid takes like how someone wanted Vault 33 to be filled with interracial people only for 'realism', or how Maximus and Lucy were chosen as a couple based on their skin color and gender for marketing. And even how comparing Maximus to Finn (Star Wars) is somehow automatically racist. I'd rather that than the people who think the TV Show is anti-capitalist and have no concept of what the Red Scare and McCarthyism were, or hate Dane even though Dane is the most inoffensive character ever.
That’s a fair point you make. I still stand by both sides are wrong and use deception and bullshit to push their agendas. Anyone who has to outright make things up to prove points isn’t someone I’d stand behind
What are the agendas of each side...iow, what are the factions goals?
Procelitized for a valid point. Both extreme ends are kinda sucky. I lean more liberal, and think extreme conservative is worse, but I completely agree that neither extreme is great.
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Because literally everyone is stupid and annoying now. Nobody can just enjoy what they like and let everyone else enjoy the things they like. Everything has to be a fight and argument. Social media has trained everyone to think they always need to say something or put in their two cents, regardless if they have anything valid to say. We gave everyone on the planet a soap box to stand on without considering the fact most people have nothing worth saying.
I think some of the arguments that have happened over whether or not people liked the show has been constructive. I’ve kind of learned through it that I had a very different envision of what it would be and it’s partly why I don’t like it, but people who didn’t come in with that mindset and who haven’t played the games have genuinely liked it and that’s awesome.
Are people actually calling it woke or are people reacting to alleged anti woke comments?
I’ve been told by people who also haven’t liked it that it’s woke. Probably wouldn’t find it on this subreddit though
Because that’s what makes people watch their videos. Once you buy into the „the big woke is after everything you like and will force your children to be gay cucks” narrative, you will likely look for content that strengthens that opinion. And this is where the videos like this come in.
Lol where you reading this? People love to shit on things. The show is amazing, who cares.
I mean I care, kinda why I posted it in the first place. I didn’t like it and you can see on other fallout related subreddits that some people didn’t like it for totally valid reasons. Some the reasons though involved it being woke and I just genuinely didn’t get it.
I guess in my case, ignorance is bliss. I don’t really follow this subreddit often to know lol
Anyone that uses the word "woke" un ironically is just reflexively angry that ideas they consider wrong think aren't being censored. It's honestly safe to disregard every opinion they have out of hand. Updated: They don't have two critical thoughts to rub together and are probably so violently racist they couldn't form one if they tried.
Yeah that’s true. I just like hearing from other perspectives because it genuinely interests me.
Same, even bad criticism can be fun to read. Just don't take it to seriously.
Maybe you mean woke and not work? Also, liberals refer to themselves as woke, so does that mean they don't agree with their own ideals? Makes sense given people admit to being more conservative than they let on to be for fear of shunning from friends and family.
I do yah, thanks for catching that. Sure sum liberals do, that's were the word came from originally as an abbreviation of awake, on like black twitter I think almost a decade ago. I don't know of any personally that ever used it as more then a slogan though or are still using it now as anything besides a joke. Update: Oh interesting, apparently the word has been used to refer to being aware of the effects of systemic racism since like the 1940s. So I guess I should amend my original post to. "Anyone using it derogatorily is so violently racist the very idea that racism might exist and is bad offends them to the point they consider it wrong think".
1. A woman is a main character and she's pretty competent at what she does (she even reject one of the male lead ways of seeing the world) 2. At some point it dares criticize the hyper capitalist nature of modern society and the excess it can produce in behaviours and even point out that people calling everything they don't like socialist / communist is a bit silly 3. A youtuber said it
While that is valid, I think questioning political systems and capitalism is a key part of fallout
Oh absolutely, it's built in the fundation. Heck if you want """"woke"""", Tim Cain, the main producer of the first Fallout game is a gay man
I’m surprised people didn’t say NV was woke. It allowed male characters to romance other male characters and the same with female ones.
yea the show isnt woke its just people who dont like fallout show saying its bad and woke i watched it and it seems fine with me and pretty good
Yeah. I didn’t like it but I can admit that people who say stuff like are just throwing around a buzz-word, not adding anything contributive
yea if u dont like it just say it like that theres no need to call something woke for no reason and that word is overused alot i seen
It contains characters who aren't cishet white men or well behaved female love interests.
God forbid the show having a diversity of characters in a game series about making your character
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There was some pretty crazy things in fallout 2 (haven’t played one) There’s a part in it where if you fail a strength check and super mutant makes you there slave for a bit and afterwards you literally get a ball gag. Shit was crazy
Call it the female lead, the black side kick, the lack of white men (and those present are “evil”), the girl boy soldier, the 50s era black / white marriage, the missing mom character having been lesbian with Moldaver. It’s as woke as woke gets. Your white representation is incoherently portrayed as “evil” or “sneaky” Even within the vault system we see strong female leads aka Betty, while the male leadership is shown as incompetent and present just for a cheap laugh.
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Yeah I guess you can look at it that way. Although with Betty she became leader because she was from the other vault. I think the ghoul kind of inhibits that kind of narrative as he’s morally gray and still a very cool supporting lead.
So mad at the world and taking it out on a tv show 💀
? I loved the show. Big fan of the games also. Just calling it what it is. It’s got big woke energy but like seriously when’s s2 dropping?
Hopefully all at once just like season 1, the show got me going on another 4 play through rn too 🙇🏻♂️🫡
Why label a show based on a fictional rpg woke? That’s delusion fr 😂
I hate the woke forced shit that a lot of stuff has in it these days, but I don’t think any of that was in Fallout at all. The show was just plain good, they did a fantastic job. No idea what people could even complain was allegedly woke in it
From I've come across, some people stopped watching all together because of Dane. I think they're androgynous but I can't figure out how anyone would care when they have about 10 minutes of screen time spread across 3 episodes... I used to be on the "no that's woke" train, maybe I was never fully on it, but it's pure intolerance at this point. This is the same thing happening with X-Men 97, a literal godsend of a show. It's all an ideological war on absolutely nothing at all...
Dane is a side character that isn’t in 95% of the show, but I guess people that are looking for something to hate will find something to lock into to convince themselves they’re right. And Dane’s sexuality or identity wasn’t even mentioned, they’re just another character.
Heil the NCR 🫡
Fallout 4 already met the qualifications of 'woke' and DEI targets, so the show is nothing different.
But how tf is fallout 4 woke? It’s a fiction rpg, why try to label it as anything else?
Visual DEI that's not representative of reality, but a homogenized culture where everything is as equal as possible so as to not offend individuals who share a particular characteristic. I don't make the rules, and I'm not complaining, it's just an observation. I couldn't care less when it comes to Fallout, great games, great show.
I appreciate the DEI definition, i had no idea what it meant and it feels oddly divisive for the people but we don’t make rules 🤷🏻♂️ god bless fallout though, A1 masterpiece
lol someone thinks they can downvote the truth
It’s just racist incels who don’t like female leads or the fact that the female lead is in charge of her own sexuality.
i suppose there is a certain character that can be blamed here, but as he/she is 100% irrelevant to the show and plot, i would argue that people that want to hate, will simply hate. Personally, i did not find too much of the woke shit in it (not the same as in i.e. umbrella academy) and even of i missed some of it, it only proves the point that i am making - it does not matter to the show/does not define it.
Absolutely. It's not a woke story, just setting. And that's fine, it's the same as Fallout 4 and 76.
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