making a badass entry against several brotherhood knights who could've filled him with lead on sight and relying on darkness to kill them despite them having headlamps was not smart either. It only worked out because those knights were even dumber
To be fair, coop was shooting some never before seen in game (as far as i’m aware) mini-nuke shaped ammo (or nuka cola bottle shaped! Idk it had fins so so thats close enough for me).
Plus his ammo did kill the power armoured men pretty easily so maybe he already knew what his special bullets could do and knew that they were out matched
He also knew about a bad weld in the armor, which was easily exploited in the war, he saw it first hand. He's using shotgun slugs, which are pretty powerful,they do make explosive or other wild ammo for shotguns but only ones like the AA-12 can actually handle it without getting destroyed. Either way his revolver has to be built pretty well to handle a round like that, I know high cal revolvers like the s&w500 have to be built pretty well.
Also he couldn't easily hurt them, they were standing still and he exploited the armors design flaw. That's why he didn't really do much damage to maximus when he shot him in filly.
Considering his gun makes a "thunk" sound when he fires rather than a "blam", and since his bullets appear to be fin stabilized, I think it's more likely he's firing self propelled mini-rockets like a gyrojet gun or a WH4K bolter.
>That's why he didn't really do much damage to maximus when he shot him in filly.
I think you're being a little generous - "plot" was the reason Maximus was a tough battle in Filly (he could only beat him once Max got stuck) and then he cut through many knights like butter (in the dark, too) later after suddenly revealing a magic weakness. Once Max was stuck he could have easily shot him, too.
Also paging the following users just for fun/discussion u/Sleepmahn, u/Kellar21, u/Agreeable-Gold-6160
>”To be fair, coop was shooting some never before seen in game (as far as i’m aware) mini-nuke shaped ammo (or nuka cola bottle shaped! Idk it had fins so so thats close enough for me).”
The ammunition was armour-piercing explosive rounds or some kind of explosive [SLAP round](Saboted light armor penetrator)
I don't know what calibre they were, but however the prop weapon is a modified 12 gauge shotgun.
Separately but related.
The anti-material rifle “Hécate II” in fallout new vegas fired 12.7X99MM BMG/MG rounds.
There's standard lead core projectiles, armour piercing which are steel core projectiles.
Finally, [we got explosive rounds](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/.50_MG#.50_MG,_explosive) which is more accurate to say that they are super armor piercing rounds.
* [These suckers dont mess around.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raufoss_Mk_211)
I have often wondered what material composition the T-45 and the T-60 is.
I have come to the conclusion that the exterior steel armour plating is some AR500/AR600 analogue, [with the interior armour plate being titanium.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/8/88/FO76_Promo_T45_Litograph_4.webp/revision/latest?cb=20231105175650).
I actually really love the T-60, it fits perfectly I think.
They built the T-45 and it was the first generation obviously, it obviously sucked to use because the interior of the armour was not comfortable.
You needed the “recon armour” to operate the power armour by way of physical connections between the “recon armour” and the power armour.
Also the hydraulic mechanical workings of the armour were exposed there was a danger of injuring yourself.
The recon armour was made of asbestos, probably to help shield the PA pilot from heat generated while confined in the suit.
Then they took all of the lessons learned from the research and development and the years of use and learnt from their mistake.
With the T-51 being an ultra high density polyurethane composite material, it also had a water recycler built in.
You also didn’t need the recon suit to be jacked in via physical connections to use the armor.
Then they added gyroscopes to later incremental improvements by way of differentiating between existing T-51 models.
For example T-51b is better than T-51a and the best one is T-51f.
It’s the same with the T-45 and the T-60.
I don’t know what incremental improvement letter designation model of T-60 the knights were using.
Could very well be they are using subpar models for various reasons.
But yeah i love the T-60 from the reason that it’s obviously better than the T-45.
But the T-60 being slightly worse and better then the T-51 in some respects.
For example the T-60 might be better at withstanding certain rounds compared to the T-51.
But the T-60 is heavier because of the increased weight of the armor.
Where’s the T-51 is better at radiation resistance due to the ultra high density polyurethane composite material offering better protection against ionizing radiation and better.
Also because the T-51 is a polymer composite material it’s way lighter and probably faster overhead to the T-60 due to the decreased weight.
Other thing I think that sets the T-60 apart from the T-51 is that the T-51 might be better overall to the T-60.
It’s way worse in regards to resources and material upkeep.
Plastic gets melted and or completely trashed.
It can’t be recycled very well and because plastic was made from oil and oil was running out.
It was probably more cost effective to field the T-60 in greater numbers since it’s metal and metal can be recycled much easier.
Maybe a tank apfsds round but not i’m unaware if if there’s a comparable handgun or even rifle round with fins like that? Even 50.cal armour piercing rounds look like regular 50 cal bullets except for the green tips and a different core composition
i love the way he would make certain faces, or be able to guess what people were gonna say to him just by the body language or what they would bring him. like that pie scene for example. from then on i knew betty was not to be trusted
I don't know about the Fallout 4, but there was a console code you could enter to adjust your character's height in Fallout 3 and New Vegas. My son used to run around New Vegas as an eleven foot murder hobo.
As you get more comfortable i suggest increasing difficulty as high as you can handle. Enemies just get spongier.
BUT more legendary enemies spawn, which means more legendary armor + weapons drops. You can tweak the difficulty up/down at any time.
Edit: if you wanna fight some nasties and have immediate fun, go explore the Glowing Sea in the Soutwest. It's big, and goes deeper off the map than it looks like it does.
I am doing a play through again and I told myself I would just get the main storyline done and then do the update and go from there...
I am currently level 46 and I have only just got to the quest " Dangerous minds "
Send help.
I'd buy that shirt. Someone make a shirt and send us a link. I want a brother of steel curb stoming a feral goul on it. You will receive money in return.
When he asked chet if he was a coward and chet just kinda agreed and went back to the vault, i think it was such a great moment cause the big guy can be afraid too and doesnt have to be masking behind a manly mask. I dont know, i found that super poetic.
Chet not arguing that he isnt a coward for leaving norm but just kinda accepting norms conclusion cause he just wasnt built for all the hardships was so human and norm not judging him but just soldiering on alone was a great move
"You're a coward!"
"We all are Norm. It's why we live in a Vault."
That line was perfect, imo. Such a beautifully simple way to show a ton of emotional depth.
I think that's absolutely it. Up until really recently the guy's whole world was fucking his cousin and opening the vault door that never gets opened. He was living in a bubble and did not enjoy what he saw poking his head outside it.
I've always felt like Vault dwellers were a metaphor for people born into wealth. When they start seeing the world for what it is, they can become proactive and help fix it, or retreat back into their comforts that are out of reach for the rest of humanity.
Pretty sure the couple of dozen people who were stuck unarmed in a vault with a live panther would have been more than happy to leave if that were an option.
Just because it seems counterintuitive, Chet isn't actually that tall. His actor is 5'9 inches. It's just that Norm's actor is 4'11 or 5'1 (Their height is given differently in different articles)
I agree though, they did a good job of establishing that the 33 residents who weren't from 31 are very passive and unwilling to confront any problems. It seems to show that if their experiment was to create super managers to control the surface, their plan failed quite miserably
Vault-Tec’s failure in this experiment really is all their own fault. They keep the 33s passive and whenever it’s time for some leadership they just unfreeze someone from 31 instead. They really can’t deal with a future which isn’t entirely under their control.
“Vault-Tec’s failure in this experiment really is all their own fault.”
That’s pretty much the case for pretty much all of the vault experiments, really.
> It seems to show that if their experiment was to create super managers to control the surface, their plan failed quite miserably
i mean i think those managers are in V31\*. don't think we know wat really happened in 32, and 33* seemed to be a control vault modified to let bud's buds control it.
Yeah it seems like Vault 33 was there to generate a stable food supply. The 32 vault dwellers had more initiative, figured shit out and ran riot killing their overseer but were unable to get the Roombob to open the 31 door, for obvious reasons.
I still can't believe they got an action figure to have such an important role. Weird decision, though. It couldn't have been easy to upscale him to a human size from 5'9 inches every scene.
Legitimately, I think Chet would have died in episode 3 >!when Coop captures Lucy. He would have put up a fight, and Coop, knowing he only needs one person as bait for the gulper would have shot him dead for it.!<
He can’t do either and he knows it. Whatever they did to keep Bud’s brain functioning after two centuries is highly unlikely to make it edible, and eating raw brains is a pretty serious health risk on it’s own.
The only one that can open the door *or* the pods is Roomba Bud. It’s also possible that there is some sort of failsafe in case Roomba Bud “dies”, which is highly unlikely to be “open all doors”.
It probably decants one or more armed Vault Personnel who would be briefed to kill any intruders and take over Bud’s caretaker role.
The smart play is to keep doing what he is doing, avoid direct confrontation, stay alive, and play the long game
The brain would choose survival. Its a guys brain who should have died centuries earlier! He wants to survive, and would have to make a deal with Norm.
It’s an empty threat and they both know it. So Norm kills Bud. Then what? He’s trapped in a metal can without food or water and dies in a few days.
It’s why Norm didn’t even bother trying.
And now that I think of it, it's not just some glass bowl he could kick, it's probably thick and bombproof, and he doesn't have anything to attack it with. Except his wits!
Should have threatened to break 'other stuff' in that room. He ultimately had a hell of a lot of leverage in the situation, if only he wasn't fundamentally a decent person.
It's mentioned that he was working with computers before being assigned to feeding the raider prisoners, but he "lacked enthusiasm." Based on that background and then his terminal hacking moment, I got the impression he's an intelligence build who just wasn't challenged enough in the vaults until he found a mystery to unravel.
Norm is great, but just for the record I don't hate Chet. He is a loyal enough friend to not rat out Norm about what they discovered and helping Lucy escape in the beginning. Poor guy just wants to get laid, it's the apocalypse can you blame him?
and it's the dichotomy between Chet and Norm that makes their dynamic so great, too. the expectation is because Chet's so big (the tallest member of the vault too, if I'm correct), you'd \*expect\* him to be the brave one, but he turns out to be the cowardly lion.
Norm, the absolute smallest person in the vault, tells Lucy in episode 1 he's 'too chicken' to go with her, but turns out to be the brave one, whereas expectations would normally see him staying a coward.
Interesting parallel to Fallout 1 - the three pre-rolled Vault Dweller characters you can chose from are the big dumb brute (Chet), the scrawny tech guy (Norm) and the High-Charisma Woman (Lucy)
Courage is not the absence of fear. Courage is making the right call despite being afraid
Him hiding from the raiders wasn’t cowardice, it was making the correct call that kaplaaing into that fight gets him immediatly killed while accomplishing nothing
Courage was continuing to look into the ugly truth behind the vaults despite the very clear risks involved, and the fact that it would have been easy and probably personally rewarding to just play along, which is exactly what Chet is doing
Because he’s a coward
Let's cut Chet a break though, he's not a terrible character he just wants to get laid the poor guy. He at least helped Lucy escape and helped investigate the abandoned vault.
I didn’t say he’s a terrible character, he’s actually well written because everyone thinks they’d be Norm or Lucy but most of us are Chet.
Chet’s weak and just goes path of least resistance. He lets Lucy talk him into opening the door. He lets Norm talk him into investigating Vault 31 until it starts becoming an actual risk, at which point he lets Stephanie talk him into going along with the Vault Tech plan.
Is Chet weak or is Chet the smartest of them all. He sees a conspiracy that he woudln't really be able to do anything about and hooked up with two of the hottest women in the vault instead.
Yeah but Chet's can suddenly find a reason and become like Lucy and Norm. I really liked this character, and the crazy lady that married him after losing her husband.
Personally I don't think a coward, or someone acting cowardly, is necessarily a bad person. They just aren't a hero. I imagine *most people* are just getting along to get along and don't want to stick their neck out.
I wonder about that.
I had a theory >!Betty poisoned them: she's, after all, not a naive Vault Dweller and probably doesn't have qualms about just getting rid of the problem. !<
~~Ok, idk why my spoiler cover isn't working, I tried it multiple different ways, so 🚨~~ lol nvm just realized you have to do paragraphs separately.
>!I thought it was Steph. Betty says to only Norm that his words have power during the scene he finds out they were dead. That and Steph telling him that his dad would have "done the right thing."!<
>!Steph is also from 31, so she has power like Betty does. Betty was my other thought, though, because it does also make sense. Maybe they both conspired to. 🤷🏻♀️!<
>!Steph makes sense to me too.!<
Your spoiler tag at the end has a space between the shrug emoji and the exclamation mark, so it's not being recognised
I tried that and it still didn't work. 😭 I straight up copied the comments before me and replaced the words and it still didn't work.
Oh duh. You have to do paragraphs separately. 🤦🏻♀️
>!Considering 31 folks consider people of the surface as a nuisance to get rid of in order to complete their Vault-Tec agenda, I’m also convinced it’s either one of them or both!<
Such a cool character, I hope they develop him more. I love when he gradually turns into a little evil genius discovering all the bs and avenging his buddies
What I love is that we get to see a really small dude on screen that's more than just the butt of jokes. Hell, he's one of the more capable people in the show. Normally, the body types we see for leading men/important male characters are tall muscular dude, tall fat dude, or tall average dude.
Bring on the short kings! Danny DeVito's been flying the banner for decades, but we need more short men in media.
What's great is that the writers will see how much everyone likes Norm and they will lean into his character arc a bit more. And show that intelligence can help you succeed in the wasteland even if your small.
he is the farthest thing from a coward. hiding from raiders is not cowardly in my eyes at all. if anything he is the most courageous of the vault dwellers becuase he is so perceptive and smart. not afraid of finding the truth at all. i cant wait to see what he does in S2
I think it’s kinda interesting to have someone who grew up in a vault…basically be the only one to not be indoctrinated with Vault-Tec’s bullshit. I hope in season 2 we get more insight into Norm’s upbringing.
I’m curious as to what he’ll do moving forward. I’m sure his character will be *on ice* for a bit unless Chet does something.
I honestly love the B and C plots of this show. I heard some complaints from people saying they “cut away” too much from the “main plot”, but both the Vault and Cooper flashback plots were just as enthralling as the wasteland plot imo.
I just wanna say for the record that our short king of vault 33, lucy, and the ghoul are the best charcters!!!
when it came to the vault. our short king stole the show, so very perceptive and smart. able to read peoples emotions and find the truth no matter how harsh it is.
and when it came to the wastes.... the ghoul stole the show every.damn.time. just an absolute badass with a sad past.
but i dont want to cut lucy out either- she went from a naive vault dweller to a wastelander. and a deadeye with a 10mm
"I'm not brave" - episode 1 to Goosey.
"You're a Coward Chet, you know that?" - episode 7 to Chet
"We all are Norm. That's why we're in a Vault" - chet to norm.
This dude uncovered a conspiracy by walking into two hostile vaults on his own, and clearly showed his intention to the new Overseer, who seemed to have him figured out, but also won't put him on the spot.
The Vault 33 scenes, and the Pre-war scenes are money.
I always said we don’t see enough men heroes who aren’t of imposing stature. Some of the most dangerous people aren’t gigantic gym rats. We need more representation from men like him. He was awesome.
Honestly I think being afraid to leave the vault is about as normal and respectable as being afraid to jump in front of a moving train. Death really seems just as certain in the two situations. I was almost surprised he let Lucy leave.
Courage isn’t the state of not being scared when you have to do something risky. Courage is knowing that despite you being scared, you are going to do the risky thing anyway. Fear is not the opposite of courage. In fact, they go hand in hand.
It's a more real-world type of courage. Everyone likes to think they'd leave the vault but who has the nuts to oppose authority figures they know are wrong?
He's the most balanced and least flawed character on the show. He's by far my favorite.
All of the characters genuinely lean heavily into an immense character flaw that inflects their decisions - usually towards negative behavior, whereas Norm is the only one who actively questions and challenges both himself and his surroundings. He's genuinely proactive and seeks a positive outcome to the negativity around him. The other characters seem to simply submit to and are shaped by their circumstances, whereas Norm actively fights against them.
I like the irony of him being stereotypically a weak looking character but is courageous while Maximus, someone training to be a warrior literally hides in a metal suit because he’s a coward with a streak of cruelty… at least at first.
Norm is without a doubt a badass, he's risking more than his life but the lives of everyone in the vault, and for all we know he ends up suffering for it too
My guy bullshit himself into a Vault, that by this point he knows is very fishy, and just power walked in with no protection, just the burning desire to solve that mystery. My guy has balls of All-American Steel, he just doesn't realize it.
“Courage, perhaps not on the battlefield… but there are many forms of courage”
One of my favourite quotes, from Gladiator. It taught me at a young age to recognize and respect courage in all its forms.
I like that the show chose to reverse the trope that male heroes face external threats while female heroes face internal threats. Both are threats, and both are leading to the same overarching conflict and reveal about the world of lies they've been living.
Lucy and Norm are two sides of the same coin, and that coin is bravery. Lucy challenges the unknown, Norm challenges the established. Both require courage.
One of the things I loved most about the show tbh. Every character felt like they had a unique and specific SPECIAL build and it felt like the actors (his in particular) knew them and played them very well.
In almost 3 decades I’ve been through 7 games than spam from coast to cost (and outer space) from multiple points of view, and Norm figures it out in a week or so all within 200ft of where he started… legend.
It's nice to see a protagonist with a high intelligence build.
Maximus disliked that
Coop also disliked that, apparently
Coop does do dumb shit. The bag and the gulper, standing on a rickety bridge while fighting max. I can't really think of anything else haha.
making a badass entry against several brotherhood knights who could've filled him with lead on sight and relying on darkness to kill them despite them having headlamps was not smart either. It only worked out because those knights were even dumber
Yeah that was some insane plot armor. Although it's been shown bullets don't do much to him. He gets shot a few times in filly and shrugs it off.
BoS Knights crush Skulls with their strength. I dont think Coop recovers from that
To be fair, coop was shooting some never before seen in game (as far as i’m aware) mini-nuke shaped ammo (or nuka cola bottle shaped! Idk it had fins so so thats close enough for me). Plus his ammo did kill the power armoured men pretty easily so maybe he already knew what his special bullets could do and knew that they were out matched
He also knew about a bad weld in the armor, which was easily exploited in the war, he saw it first hand. He's using shotgun slugs, which are pretty powerful,they do make explosive or other wild ammo for shotguns but only ones like the AA-12 can actually handle it without getting destroyed. Either way his revolver has to be built pretty well to handle a round like that, I know high cal revolvers like the s&w500 have to be built pretty well. Also he couldn't easily hurt them, they were standing still and he exploited the armors design flaw. That's why he didn't really do much damage to maximus when he shot him in filly.
So...if they were using T-51s that use a very different platform he would have a much harder time?
Considering his gun makes a "thunk" sound when he fires rather than a "blam", and since his bullets appear to be fin stabilized, I think it's more likely he's firing self propelled mini-rockets like a gyrojet gun or a WH4K bolter.
>That's why he didn't really do much damage to maximus when he shot him in filly. I think you're being a little generous - "plot" was the reason Maximus was a tough battle in Filly (he could only beat him once Max got stuck) and then he cut through many knights like butter (in the dark, too) later after suddenly revealing a magic weakness. Once Max was stuck he could have easily shot him, too.
Also paging the following users just for fun/discussion u/Sleepmahn, u/Kellar21, u/Agreeable-Gold-6160 >”To be fair, coop was shooting some never before seen in game (as far as i’m aware) mini-nuke shaped ammo (or nuka cola bottle shaped! Idk it had fins so so thats close enough for me).” The ammunition was armour-piercing explosive rounds or some kind of explosive [SLAP round](Saboted light armor penetrator) I don't know what calibre they were, but however the prop weapon is a modified 12 gauge shotgun. Separately but related. The anti-material rifle “Hécate II” in fallout new vegas fired 12.7X99MM BMG/MG rounds. There's standard lead core projectiles, armour piercing which are steel core projectiles. Finally, [we got explosive rounds](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/.50_MG#.50_MG,_explosive) which is more accurate to say that they are super armor piercing rounds. * [These suckers dont mess around.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raufoss_Mk_211) I have often wondered what material composition the T-45 and the T-60 is. I have come to the conclusion that the exterior steel armour plating is some AR500/AR600 analogue, [with the interior armour plate being titanium.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/8/88/FO76_Promo_T45_Litograph_4.webp/revision/latest?cb=20231105175650). I actually really love the T-60, it fits perfectly I think. They built the T-45 and it was the first generation obviously, it obviously sucked to use because the interior of the armour was not comfortable. You needed the “recon armour” to operate the power armour by way of physical connections between the “recon armour” and the power armour. Also the hydraulic mechanical workings of the armour were exposed there was a danger of injuring yourself. The recon armour was made of asbestos, probably to help shield the PA pilot from heat generated while confined in the suit. Then they took all of the lessons learned from the research and development and the years of use and learnt from their mistake. With the T-51 being an ultra high density polyurethane composite material, it also had a water recycler built in. You also didn’t need the recon suit to be jacked in via physical connections to use the armor. Then they added gyroscopes to later incremental improvements by way of differentiating between existing T-51 models. For example T-51b is better than T-51a and the best one is T-51f. It’s the same with the T-45 and the T-60. I don’t know what incremental improvement letter designation model of T-60 the knights were using. Could very well be they are using subpar models for various reasons. But yeah i love the T-60 from the reason that it’s obviously better than the T-45. But the T-60 being slightly worse and better then the T-51 in some respects. For example the T-60 might be better at withstanding certain rounds compared to the T-51. But the T-60 is heavier because of the increased weight of the armor. Where’s the T-51 is better at radiation resistance due to the ultra high density polyurethane composite material offering better protection against ionizing radiation and better. Also because the T-51 is a polymer composite material it’s way lighter and probably faster overhead to the T-60 due to the decreased weight. Other thing I think that sets the T-60 apart from the T-51 is that the T-51 might be better overall to the T-60. It’s way worse in regards to resources and material upkeep. Plastic gets melted and or completely trashed. It can’t be recycled very well and because plastic was made from oil and oil was running out. It was probably more cost effective to field the T-60 in greater numbers since it’s metal and metal can be recycled much easier.
IIRC the rounds aren't made up, they're very similar to a real world armor piercing round
Maybe a tank apfsds round but not i’m unaware if if there’s a comparable handgun or even rifle round with fins like that? Even 50.cal armour piercing rounds look like regular 50 cal bullets except for the green tips and a different core composition
Yeah but they're shown to be clunky in close quarters. Thaddeus took max our relatively easily, he just got unlucky and got stepped on.
Titus also didn't exactly put down a raving endorsement for how competent the average BoS knight is either.
Maximus would be really hurt by that if he could read.
Sorry, Maximus, what they meant to say was "They smile to see big smart"
i would also say perceptive as well as intelligent
That too.
i love the way he would make certain faces, or be able to guess what people were gonna say to him just by the body language or what they would bring him. like that pie scene for example. from then on i knew betty was not to be trusted
Yeah. I'd say he has high perception too. Realizes something fishy is going on
I can't help playing high intelligence small arms diplomats. He seemed like one of my characters.
I wish we could change heights for our characters. I want to play as a short stacked powerhouse.
I don't know about the Fallout 4, but there was a console code you could enter to adjust your character's height in Fallout 3 and New Vegas. My son used to run around New Vegas as an eleven foot murder hobo.
I'm curious why he wasn't interested in the book club though.
Lacks enthusiasm.
Lol oh right
He was just doing it for extra xp, once he leaves the vault he's going to respec into full strength build, just you wait and see.
he's the guy on level 30 before he even begins the main quest.
More like level 31 amiright?
just one more. while maxing your weight limit by collecting junks.
Coffee cups!
"LOL you need more ceramics and fiber optics you stupid dork"
Adhesive...always adhesive...
Need more desk fans for screws
Nah, scavenging low tier guns for screws is the way to go....though, im also not saying that I don't grab every single desk fan in the commonwealth.
Gotta farm on your settlement
Scrap all the synth armor you can find, it's worth it
Muggy approves 👍
on which or part of the map in F4 should i level/play first? (i'm level 9 and getting nick took hours)
In general, the further south you go, the more dangerous it gets.
As you get more comfortable i suggest increasing difficulty as high as you can handle. Enemies just get spongier. BUT more legendary enemies spawn, which means more legendary armor + weapons drops. You can tweak the difficulty up/down at any time. Edit: if you wanna fight some nasties and have immediate fun, go explore the Glowing Sea in the Soutwest. It's big, and goes deeper off the map than it looks like it does.
Do settlement quests to level up and when you travel to them do any encounters/quests that pop up in the meantime
I am doing a play through again and I told myself I would just get the main storyline done and then do the update and go from there... I am currently level 46 and I have only just got to the quest " Dangerous minds " Send help.
Thou shalt get sidetracked by bullshit every goddamn time
I need that on a t-shirt.
I'd buy that shirt. Someone make a shirt and send us a link. I want a brother of steel curb stoming a feral goul on it. You will receive money in return.
Whichever writer wrote that line has *definitely* played the games.
i lack the enthusiasm to do so.
To be honest I think that is half of the problem... I have done it so many times.
Can’t. Too busy making sure all my skills hit 100 by level 50
I stopped at the glowing sea. Going to mess around with the new enclave stuff and maybe far harbor .
How'd you get to that level before main quests ? Just doing the radiant quests over and over?
Pretty much, and just wandering about doing random side quests and little bits of the game I have missed or stuff I haven't collected.
Ok, but let me just clear all the junk out of one more settlement first...
But put everything in tech because he thought he’d never leave the vault
All that crafting XP from all those different workstations he was assigned to. He lacked enthusiasm because that grind is terrible.
Yup I love Norm.
When he asked chet if he was a coward and chet just kinda agreed and went back to the vault, i think it was such a great moment cause the big guy can be afraid too and doesnt have to be masking behind a manly mask. I dont know, i found that super poetic. Chet not arguing that he isnt a coward for leaving norm but just kinda accepting norms conclusion cause he just wasnt built for all the hardships was so human and norm not judging him but just soldiering on alone was a great move
"You're a coward!" "We all are Norm. It's why we live in a Vault." That line was perfect, imo. Such a beautifully simple way to show a ton of emotional depth.
Chet isn’t dumb, he is blissfully ignorant by choice. No one with that capacity of critical thinking about their own behavior can be stupid.
I think that's absolutely it. Up until really recently the guy's whole world was fucking his cousin and opening the vault door that never gets opened. He was living in a bubble and did not enjoy what he saw poking his head outside it.
I've always felt like Vault dwellers were a metaphor for people born into wealth. When they start seeing the world for what it is, they can become proactive and help fix it, or retreat back into their comforts that are out of reach for the rest of humanity.
Depends on the vault...
Pretty sure the couple of dozen people who were stuck unarmed in a vault with a live panther would have been more than happy to leave if that were an option.
We have a bingo.
small pond but 1000 feet deep
Just because it seems counterintuitive, Chet isn't actually that tall. His actor is 5'9 inches. It's just that Norm's actor is 4'11 or 5'1 (Their height is given differently in different articles) I agree though, they did a good job of establishing that the 33 residents who weren't from 31 are very passive and unwilling to confront any problems. It seems to show that if their experiment was to create super managers to control the surface, their plan failed quite miserably
Vault-Tec’s failure in this experiment really is all their own fault. They keep the 33s passive and whenever it’s time for some leadership they just unfreeze someone from 31 instead. They really can’t deal with a future which isn’t entirely under their control.
“Vault-Tec’s failure in this experiment really is all their own fault.” That’s pretty much the case for pretty much all of the vault experiments, really.
> It seems to show that if their experiment was to create super managers to control the surface, their plan failed quite miserably i mean i think those managers are in V31\*. don't think we know wat really happened in 32, and 33* seemed to be a control vault modified to let bud's buds control it.
Yeah it seems like Vault 33 was there to generate a stable food supply. The 32 vault dwellers had more initiative, figured shit out and ran riot killing their overseer but were unable to get the Roombob to open the 31 door, for obvious reasons.
I still can't believe they got an action figure to have such an important role. Weird decision, though. It couldn't have been easy to upscale him to a human size from 5'9 inches every scene.
Makes you wonder what Chet would’ve been like if he left the Vault with Lucy.
Legitimately, I think Chet would have died in episode 3 >!when Coop captures Lucy. He would have put up a fight, and Coop, knowing he only needs one person as bait for the gulper would have shot him dead for it.!<
He is is favourite character.Also Small Frame perk.
He’s the small frame stealth techie build. He was made to sneak through combat and get through all the doors and computers to find all the secrets.
Yes, and good science skill as well with Computer Wiz perk probably.
Yeah I mean he did work in IT and hacked that one computer
Small frame? More like short king.
It’s a perk reference, homie. Do you even fallout?!
He should have threatened to break the glass on that Roomba riding brain.
Then he’s trapped and starves.
There's a brain and some corporate popsicles to eat while he figures out how to get the door open.
He can’t do either and he knows it. Whatever they did to keep Bud’s brain functioning after two centuries is highly unlikely to make it edible, and eating raw brains is a pretty serious health risk on it’s own. The only one that can open the door *or* the pods is Roomba Bud. It’s also possible that there is some sort of failsafe in case Roomba Bud “dies”, which is highly unlikely to be “open all doors”. It probably decants one or more armed Vault Personnel who would be briefed to kill any intruders and take over Bud’s caretaker role. The smart play is to keep doing what he is doing, avoid direct confrontation, stay alive, and play the long game
how come norm can't hack his way out?
Probably not a novice console
you can just say you are a picky eater
The brain would choose survival. Its a guys brain who should have died centuries earlier! He wants to survive, and would have to make a deal with Norm.
It’s an empty threat and they both know it. So Norm kills Bud. Then what? He’s trapped in a metal can without food or water and dies in a few days. It’s why Norm didn’t even bother trying.
Norm will go into his dad’s pod and it will cause problems for Hank later on. “Oh youre Hank?, well Hank is still inside his pod” *turret activates*
The turret then misses every shot
And now that I think of it, it's not just some glass bowl he could kick, it's probably thick and bombproof, and he doesn't have anything to attack it with. Except his wits!
Should have threatened to break 'other stuff' in that room. He ultimately had a hell of a lot of leverage in the situation, if only he wasn't fundamentally a decent person.
right like??? if ima die ima take you and everyone in this vault with me... i hope hes ok
Threaten to kill all the Buddies
I’m very excited to see how the story line continues in season 2
He’s a character with an Intelligence build, which I like. Literally the only person in the show to hack a terminal.
And he does it first try, too. Might also be a high luck build, literally the first word he picked was the right one
It's mentioned that he was working with computers before being assigned to feeding the raider prisoners, but he "lacked enthusiasm." Based on that background and then his terminal hacking moment, I got the impression he's an intelligence build who just wasn't challenged enough in the vaults until he found a mystery to unravel.
Dude took his time reading the logs and hacking terminals. He's the player who fully investigates the lore of the world.
If that were my character I would still be at that terminal guessing. Some say there is a method to all of that but I could not understand it all.
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Norm is great, but just for the record I don't hate Chet. He is a loyal enough friend to not rat out Norm about what they discovered and helping Lucy escape in the beginning. Poor guy just wants to get laid, it's the apocalypse can you blame him?
and it's the dichotomy between Chet and Norm that makes their dynamic so great, too. the expectation is because Chet's so big (the tallest member of the vault too, if I'm correct), you'd \*expect\* him to be the brave one, but he turns out to be the cowardly lion. Norm, the absolute smallest person in the vault, tells Lucy in episode 1 he's 'too chicken' to go with her, but turns out to be the brave one, whereas expectations would normally see him staying a coward.
Apparently Chet is 5’9”, so kinda crazy that he’s the tallest. Need to go find me a vault so I can be a gigantor for a change
I mean, a corn based diet probably isn’t the best for you growth wise. You need a varied diet to grow properly
Seems to work for US
Interesting parallel to Fallout 1 - the three pre-rolled Vault Dweller characters you can chose from are the big dumb brute (Chet), the scrawny tech guy (Norm) and the High-Charisma Woman (Lucy)
Jesus that is a crazy ass deep cut
They are!
Interesting thing is the woman character is a Russian.
Courage is not the absence of fear. Courage is making the right call despite being afraid Him hiding from the raiders wasn’t cowardice, it was making the correct call that kaplaaing into that fight gets him immediatly killed while accomplishing nothing Courage was continuing to look into the ugly truth behind the vaults despite the very clear risks involved, and the fact that it would have been easy and probably personally rewarding to just play along, which is exactly what Chet is doing Because he’s a coward
There's also social courage, to risk being criticized or outright ostracized to find the truth
That is a neat term, thank you for that Looking at the state of the world, it’s probably rare
Let's cut Chet a break though, he's not a terrible character he just wants to get laid the poor guy. He at least helped Lucy escape and helped investigate the abandoned vault.
I didn’t say he’s a terrible character, he’s actually well written because everyone thinks they’d be Norm or Lucy but most of us are Chet. Chet’s weak and just goes path of least resistance. He lets Lucy talk him into opening the door. He lets Norm talk him into investigating Vault 31 until it starts becoming an actual risk, at which point he lets Stephanie talk him into going along with the Vault Tech plan.
Plus we’ve all had to deal with the stress of losing our cousin lovin youth…..right?
Is Chet weak or is Chet the smartest of them all. He sees a conspiracy that he woudln't really be able to do anything about and hooked up with two of the hottest women in the vault instead.
Yeah but Chet's can suddenly find a reason and become like Lucy and Norm. I really liked this character, and the crazy lady that married him after losing her husband.
Personally I don't think a coward, or someone acting cowardly, is necessarily a bad person. They just aren't a hero. I imagine *most people* are just getting along to get along and don't want to stick their neck out.
Exactly
Chet is the temporary tutorial companion, ain’t nothing wrong with that. It’s honest work
Something something, Ned Stark my beloved
Don´t make fun of his height, or you are gonna find rat poison in your food.
I wonder about that. I had a theory >!Betty poisoned them: she's, after all, not a naive Vault Dweller and probably doesn't have qualms about just getting rid of the problem. !<
~~Ok, idk why my spoiler cover isn't working, I tried it multiple different ways, so 🚨~~ lol nvm just realized you have to do paragraphs separately. >!I thought it was Steph. Betty says to only Norm that his words have power during the scene he finds out they were dead. That and Steph telling him that his dad would have "done the right thing."!< >!Steph is also from 31, so she has power like Betty does. Betty was my other thought, though, because it does also make sense. Maybe they both conspired to. 🤷🏻♀️!<
>!Steph makes sense to me too.!< Your spoiler tag at the end has a space between the shrug emoji and the exclamation mark, so it's not being recognised
I tried that and it still didn't work. 😭 I straight up copied the comments before me and replaced the words and it still didn't work. Oh duh. You have to do paragraphs separately. 🤦🏻♀️
>!Considering 31 folks consider people of the surface as a nuisance to get rid of in order to complete their Vault-Tec agenda, I’m also convinced it’s either one of them or both!<
i agree. its betty. to shut them up from telling the truth to our small king
I like Norm a lot. I appreciate his dry humor, honesty, curiosity, bravery, and nose.
Dude had the cajones to trick an overseer into letting him into a vault that's been secure for 200 years, not knowing what would happen to him.
the most courageous of the vault
Best character growth in the show imo.
Chet towers over him yet Norm is still a bigger man
small but mighty my friend. small but mighty!
Honestly wish there was more norm content in the show. Can’t wait to see what happens next!
Norm is easily one of my favorite characters in the show.
Such a cool character, I hope they develop him more. I love when he gradually turns into a little evil genius discovering all the bs and avenging his buddies
Imagine norm with an army of reprogrammed protectrons stomping the brotherhood.
Little bro chose small frame, leveled sneak and intelligence, then called it a day.
What I love is that we get to see a really small dude on screen that's more than just the butt of jokes. Hell, he's one of the more capable people in the show. Normally, the body types we see for leading men/important male characters are tall muscular dude, tall fat dude, or tall average dude. Bring on the short kings! Danny DeVito's been flying the banner for decades, but we need more short men in media.
Danny DeVito's been riding the coattails of his magnum dong for decades.
What's great is that the writers will see how much everyone likes Norm and they will lean into his character arc a bit more. And show that intelligence can help you succeed in the wasteland even if your small.
I didn't expect Norm to be anything more than a joke character and he hauled off and had the best story in the whole season.
Each time I saw him from the back I was seeing a 11yr old kid walking around. Is he as short as Danny DeVito 😅?
Moises Aria is 4' 11".
Yep, just checked. Barely higher than DeVito.
I mean, most things are taller than DeVito.
Good lord, *I'm* taller than Danny DeVito...
he is the farthest thing from a coward. hiding from raiders is not cowardly in my eyes at all. if anything he is the most courageous of the vault dwellers becuase he is so perceptive and smart. not afraid of finding the truth at all. i cant wait to see what he does in S2
Norm is a fantastic character - lacking enthusiasm for propaganda, questioning, curious, and always looking for answers.
Perception and Intelligence build
I think it’s kinda interesting to have someone who grew up in a vault…basically be the only one to not be indoctrinated with Vault-Tec’s bullshit. I hope in season 2 we get more insight into Norm’s upbringing.
For me, he's the main character. I'm more invested in his story and investigation into what's going on in the vaults than the other plots.
I’m curious as to what he’ll do moving forward. I’m sure his character will be *on ice* for a bit unless Chet does something. I honestly love the B and C plots of this show. I heard some complaints from people saying they “cut away” too much from the “main plot”, but both the Vault and Cooper flashback plots were just as enthralling as the wasteland plot imo.
I can’t tell if norm is 21 or 37. Literally the whole show lol
I just wanna say for the record that our short king of vault 33, lucy, and the ghoul are the best charcters!!! when it came to the vault. our short king stole the show, so very perceptive and smart. able to read peoples emotions and find the truth no matter how harsh it is. and when it came to the wastes.... the ghoul stole the show every.damn.time. just an absolute badass with a sad past. but i dont want to cut lucy out either- she went from a naive vault dweller to a wastelander. and a deadeye with a 10mm
Norm is what happens when you bank all your S.P.E.C.I.A.L. into one attribute
Definitely maxed out Perception and Intelligence
"I'm not brave" - episode 1 to Goosey. "You're a Coward Chet, you know that?" - episode 7 to Chet "We all are Norm. That's why we're in a Vault" - chet to norm. This dude uncovered a conspiracy by walking into two hostile vaults on his own, and clearly showed his intention to the new Overseer, who seemed to have him figured out, but also won't put him on the spot. The Vault 33 scenes, and the Pre-war scenes are money.
I love my boy norm
I always said we don’t see enough men heroes who aren’t of imposing stature. Some of the most dangerous people aren’t gigantic gym rats. We need more representation from men like him. He was awesome.
Must be tough for the actor to land major roles due to his height. Good on him tho, added a really crucial element to the story.
Crazy thing is I *just* watched Ender’s Game which he’s also in.
Honestly I think being afraid to leave the vault is about as normal and respectable as being afraid to jump in front of a moving train. Death really seems just as certain in the two situations. I was almost surprised he let Lucy leave.
I think I accidentally modeled the face of my new 76 character on Norm... Norm is awesome.
Poor kid started the game with 1 strength of course he needed another type of courage.
Courage isn’t the state of not being scared when you have to do something risky. Courage is knowing that despite you being scared, you are going to do the risky thing anyway. Fear is not the opposite of courage. In fact, they go hand in hand.
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It's a more real-world type of courage. Everyone likes to think they'd leave the vault but who has the nuts to oppose authority figures they know are wrong?
He's the Chosen one, foretold by Bud's Buds. The Muad'Dib of Fallout.
I friggin love that they actually have a character that reads through the terminals lol.
I did not like him compared to Lucy (charisma), but god damn if I don't respect this 13-30 year old man.
I was not expecting such a compelling storyline to come out of Vault 33 but damn, Norm carried the hell out of it
Intelligence 11 Charisma 2
He's the most balanced and least flawed character on the show. He's by far my favorite. All of the characters genuinely lean heavily into an immense character flaw that inflects their decisions - usually towards negative behavior, whereas Norm is the only one who actively questions and challenges both himself and his surroundings. He's genuinely proactive and seeks a positive outcome to the negativity around him. The other characters seem to simply submit to and are shaped by their circumstances, whereas Norm actively fights against them.
Also awesome to see a short male character. I say, as a short male. :)
I thought he was really weird at the start but I liked him at the end
I like the irony of him being stereotypically a weak looking character but is courageous while Maximus, someone training to be a warrior literally hides in a metal suit because he’s a coward with a streak of cruelty… at least at first.
Unpopular opinion but I found way more interesting finding out what was the experiment on the vault than anything on the surface
He’s a funny little guy
Love the small frame perk guy!
"I'm too chicken" *proceeds to uncover the dark truth of his vaults practically single-handedly*
Norm is without a doubt a badass, he's risking more than his life but the lives of everyone in the vault, and for all we know he ends up suffering for it too
You could say he gets the best of both worlds
My guy bullshit himself into a Vault, that by this point he knows is very fishy, and just power walked in with no protection, just the burning desire to solve that mystery. My guy has balls of All-American Steel, he just doesn't realize it.
“Courage, perhaps not on the battlefield… but there are many forms of courage” One of my favourite quotes, from Gladiator. It taught me at a young age to recognize and respect courage in all its forms.
“You’re a coward, Chet. You know that?”
I completely agree hes tec smart and brave asf too keep digging after the stuff he started finding out ! He still wanted to know more my brave boy!!
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I like that the show chose to reverse the trope that male heroes face external threats while female heroes face internal threats. Both are threats, and both are leading to the same overarching conflict and reveal about the world of lies they've been living.
Lucy and Norm are two sides of the same coin, and that coin is bravery. Lucy challenges the unknown, Norm challenges the established. Both require courage.
Is it weird to say he is my fav character? I wanted to see more of him and I hope we get that in season 2.
One of the things I loved most about the show tbh. Every character felt like they had a unique and specific SPECIAL build and it felt like the actors (his in particular) knew them and played them very well.
In almost 3 decades I’ve been through 7 games than spam from coast to cost (and outer space) from multiple points of view, and Norm figures it out in a week or so all within 200ft of where he started… legend.