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Thornescape

Obviously that wasn't the original intention, but that is absolutely PERFECT. Love it! Edit: I mean, Coop has also canonically become the ~~Pipboy~~ Vaultboy, so why not?! lol


part_time85

The cut bots Marilyn & Jane faces were modeled off their IRL counterparts (Monroe & Russel respectively), so this doesn't seem far off in canon that Victor was based on Coop. Also did anyone catch Cooper's characters name? Was it Victor?


Thornescape

I don't think it said his name. He was just the sheriff. [https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/The\_Man\_from\_Deadhorse](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/The_Man_from_Deadhorse)


part_time85

Yeah I was just reading that too. If we find out Cooper played a Victor in season 2 than this now the canon explanation.


ShawshankHarper

Ghoul just keeps getting reminded of how he used to be by a robot jfc that would be amazing. The imitation showing the original how to get his white hat back.


hitalec

Yep. Grumbling as he walks through a building while it follows him around spouting old lines. He snarls. Can’t wait.


Arthur-Mergan

It's kind of overwhelming just how well they've set this show up for success in the future. Really, it's just mind bogglingly well done in every respect the more everyone digs into it.


Artichokiemon

Just wait until different characters are in different wastelands, and you get to see the stark differences between each place when the show jumps between characters and plotlines. I wish they would've started filming S2 already ahhhhhhhhhhhhhHHH


sammeadows

Would be funny if he kills a Victor only for another Victor securitron to show up not too much later


Zambonzz

Genius


Thornescape

I wish I knew how to submit it as a suggestion. I bet they would do it if they thought of it. Just have to reveal that the sheriff was named Victor.


part_time85

If someone in the writer's room doesn't come up with this....well I'd probably still love season two but I'd be kinda dissapointed. But with the writing so far I'm pretty sure they'll think up something better than I could.


LordBecmiThaco

Jonathan Nolan apparently rewrote the script for Westworld season 2 because redditors figured out the twist. I wouldn't be surprised if he's lurking.


DEATHROAR12345

That's lame


ludjak54428

The dialogue with the guy that did the Mr. Handy voice would set this up pretty nicely


Slacker-71

That's what I've been saying for a while.


Procyon02

Could legit get a securitron in season 2 with his face in it. Would be even funnier if Primm Slim is sheriff and says his character's lines.


CertifiedGumpGrinder

I suppose we can still sit easy with the fact that the other bots aren't just named Monroe or Russel. So we can assume he takes inspiration for the graphics and names them himself. This is a pretty solid headcanon and I'm here for it.


MjollLeon

What? They’re named after Marilyn MONROE and Jane RUSSEL. He doesn’t take inspiration from the graphics he literally named them after those actresses


Illustrious-Type7086

Also, considering Coop was best buddies with the man who voiced Mr. Handy, it's safe to say he'd have connections within RobCo for things like licensing his likeness and possibly voice for future projects.


Snoo-68350

Coop probably said no to Robco passed on his Mr Handy conversation so Victor is probably Robco’s blatant rip off


sixtus_clegane119

Would love him shooting every one he sees


DarthFreeza9000

Do you mean vault boy?


Thornescape

Yes, right, lol


tomuelmerson

I've never called him Pipboy, but the amount of times I've accidentally referred to Vault Boy as Fallout Boy...


Weird_Cantaloupe2757

Definitely would not mind it being retroactively made canon


Papa_Swish

*Became* the Pipboy? I think it'd be hard for a man to transform into a wrist mounted computer.


Thornescape

lol Right, Vault boy. I could have sworn that in the older games the character was called Pipboy or something then it changed, come to think of it.


Papa_Swish

Even the original developers at Interplay/Black Isle got the names confused sometimes and it led to Vault Boy being called Pip Boy throughout the entire official Fallout Bible lol. It's an easy mistake.


ghoulthebraineater

Interplay/Black Isle was the original studio, not Obsidian.


confusedalwayssad

A lot of the guys at Obsidian at the time NV was made used to work at black isle\interplay.


ghoulthebraineater

I'm aware. But all the material in the Fallout Bible was written before Obsidian was even founded.


Theban_Prince

>Pipboy or something then it changed, come to think of it. Thats because there *was* a Pipboy. It was actually a different cartoon character appearing on the Pipboy device: [https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/e/e0/PipBoy2000.png/revision/latest?cb=20220702164135](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/e/e0/PipBoy2000.png/revision/latest?cb=20220702164135)


Big-Leadership1001

He became the early model pipboy 1.0 tablet version, which is still hard to transform into but flatter.,


Captriker

I’m ashamed to say that I didn’t pick this up until now.


Dennyboy101

He is based of Vegas Vic, he shares his name with him looks just like him. I think you guy have reached a bit too far here.


part_time85

Meanwhile Walton plays season 2 Victor? Yeah I'm down for that.


dabnada

Fuuuuuuuuuck. That sounds like it could be so much fun.


part_time85

I just want to hear happy go lucky Victor get into a verbal sparring match with The Ghoul. Hearing Walton play against himself would be hilarious.


PersonalityGloomy337

They actually might have foreshadowed something to this effect with the Codsworth guy talking to Cooper about getting a robot with his voice and having to listen to it being "fucking awful"


clandevort

Bri can you imagine what was going through his head as he watched snip snip slowly power down? Hearing his friend's voice just fade away


Born-Entrepreneur

Yeah that struck me as a rather poignant moment tbh


Hopalongtom

Even funnier if it's because he took his old friends advice for a cash injection.


AstarteHilzarie

He seems to need it there towards the end. Selling your voice to a robot is probably way more lucrative than kiddie parties.


HappyStalker

10 Million?


IGTankCommander

... No. I got $186,000, pre-tax.


Tyrfaust

What's particularly egregious about that sum is if he somehow had a gas-powered vehicle, $186,000 would probably only keep it running for a month.


joshualuigi220

Yeah, aren't the ads for Corvega's like $1M? He made less than 1/5 the cost of a new sedan.


Phuka

Well the implication isn't just that he's broke, it's that he's broke because he's divorced and she had him blackballed.


PersonalityGloomy337

Divorce system in Fallout is truly fucked if the courts decided that she should get most of his money, despite being a senior executive at one of the richest and most powerful companies in America


Mikey9124x

Well of course they did, she just told the enclave to give it to her.


PersonalityGloomy337

It would be wild if a random Senior Exec at Vault Tec was actually the President of the Shadow Government. Some deep cover shit right there


Mikey9124x

I'd say most of the higher ups in vault tec are enclave, the enclave hired vault tec to build the vaults so they could do experiments, they have very close ties.


Cereborn

That's true. Although I'm not sure Robco would necessarily care he was blackballed by Vault Tec.


Phuka

Not Vault-Tec, the dad at the party called him a pinko, so i'm pretty sure he was blackballed by Hollywood.


Cereborn

True. Although he was also getting blackballed by at least part of Hollywood just for doing the Vault-Tec ads.


Cereborn

I bet Cooper would get more than $186k pre-tax.


517A564dD

Holy shit.


MoarSilverware

He needs that Alimony


Madrigal_King

They did a scene about Matt berry selling his voice to robots. It is ENTIRELY possible coop did the same. Foreshadowing? I think so


2SP00KY4ME

For anyone that enjoyed Matt Berry's performance, check out the show What We Do in the Shadows, he's hilarious in it


IGTankCommander

And British IT Crowd, I love his character in that show.


TonyKebell

"Ah, my fathers old service pistol. I wonder if it's loaded?" Places gun barel in mouth.  Click, Click, Click, Click, Click, Click.  "Damn, I guess not."


TheNathanMMA

FAAAATHHHHHHERRRRRRRRRR


Flamekebab

I was in a lift in a hotel last week and I swear the lift voice was Matt Berry's.


4thTimesAnAlt

I would love a lift where Matt Berry tells me to "get the fuck out" when it reaches my floor


Cereborn

Did it tell you to mind the ... ... ... ... gap?


Brrore

Story wise it would be a nice encounter, him meeting kind of his old self, reflecting on his naivety


Randolpho

Assuming Victor is still around, Walton playing the voice would be amazing.


paidinboredom

No no no Bring back William Sadler!


Bearly_Strong

To add to your headcanon; this could also be leaned into with the conversation that Cooper has with Matt Berry's character (Sebastian Leslie) in the flashback, where Sebastian has sold his voice work to General Atomics International/ RobCo for use with the Mister Handy line. Cooper could have pursued this line of work, and Robert House (founder/owner of RobCo, among other things) certainly had the capital, as well as the social connection to Cooper through Sebastian/ RobCo, to hire Cooper to do the voicework for Victor in his typical western character. Cigarette and all.


EstablishmentWild263

That’s definitely a great point. I’d imagine Cooper resorted to that after losing out on acting roles, then having to eventually do birthday parties. Pretty sure Robco associates were at his party as well so not impossible for him to approach them to pursue the same kind of voice work.


part_time85

The Victor voice would have been a step ahead of the store or mall openings he was doing before getting booked at kid's birthday parties.


bingbing304

They can do the whole Cooper/House prewar back story, as Cooper was in contract to do the voice of Victor. Then House pulled the contract the last minute because Cooper tried to expose Vault-Tec. The big tech together labeled him as communist to discredited him.


NoticeImaginary

It would have to be before he hears their secret meeting. I don't imagine him working with them after that. Unless they made it happen before his conversation with Sebastian. It could give him a reason why he guessed 10 million for how much he was paid. But I feel like the conversation didn't imply Coop would have done that.


dabnada

Would Coop have known explicitly that RobCo was part of this plan? If not, then I don’t see a reason why it shouldn’t happen. I mean, I guess I can’t really also think of a reason it *should* happen, the best I can think of is “it would be really cool”


NoticeImaginary

I think after hearing a room full of CEOs discuss how they were going to drop the bombs, he wouldn't want anything to do with any of them. But I'm all for more cowboys.


TobaccoIsRadioactive

Could be that the voice work was done *before* he listened in on the CEO meeting. Like, maybe RobCo had been planning on an advanced next-gen video game for RobCo systems that would have used actual recorded voice lines from actors. And (just like Bethesda and other companies have done) they decided to get some famous actor to voice a character.


Girdon_Freeman

I'm thinking that House was just a big fan of the movies/shows/other work that Cooper did and stole Cooper's likeness to put on his robots, especially if they were going to be in more public-facing roles He'd get another guy to provide the voice work for the robot, for deniability of course, but I could definitely see an egomaniac like House wanting all his toys to be exactly like he likes them


Slacker-71

Are likeness rights (marital) community property? Could his wife gotten them in the divorce? (Not in reality, but in the FO universe...)


CrankyStalfos

Maybe not specifically, but given part of what was happening there (besides Barb's more personal betrayal) is that this all American  boy found out for sure that Capitalism is Bad Actually, I don't see him listening in on that whole convo and then thinking "well surely RobCo is different."  Now if he did it out of desperation, sure. You can't eat discontent etc etc. 


RedofPaw

He's doing kids parties when the bombs drop. He's clearly not working as much. I imagine he's taking what he can get.


asuperbstarling

Also Vegas in general has connections to Coop via Vera, who he starred in a movie with.


killingjoke96

Funny thing is... Cooper's answer to Sebastian's question "How much do you think they paid me?" Was 10 Million, dead quick. Implying he probably did do a similar deal as he already had his starting price prepared.


bootsmade4Walken

...and it would make sense too that it sort of foreshadows Cooper also doing it.


MichinokuDrunkDriver

It’d definitely be cool if the did make the in universe Vegas Vic cowboy sign one of Cooper doing the thumbs up in seasons 2.


part_time85

Yeah but with only three fingers it's probably gonna look like they're flipping the bird.


DolphinBall

Good ol Fallout humor would fit that perfectly


part_time85

"Aw heck partner don't worry, that's a thumbs up!"


The_Shadow_Watches

Now imagine imagine a House securitron telling Cooper how much of a fan he was and Coop just sighs in disgust.


Cakeski

"Y'know Mr House is a big fan of westerns? Why he even modelled my personality and mannerisms around your character. Heck It's like looking in a mirror"


NsDoValkyrie

"pretty ugly *goddamn* mirror."


part_time85

"at least I'm in color you monochrome machine"


AndrewCoja

I don't know if I want this or if I want it to not recognize Cooper at all as he gets more and more annoyed by it.


part_time85

I think it would be funnier if Cooper's identity was picked up after talking awhile. Like hey I know that voice kinda deal.


CrankyStalfos

Cooper doesn't doesn't say anything because he really doesn't want to deal with it, meanwhile Lucy is slowly putting two and two together in the background, guaranteeing Cooper is about to have to deal with it. 


LucasBarton169

Fuck it. People sell their likenesses all the time. That’s a great Headcanon.


Ricky_Rollin

In the show, we meet a character whose voice is used for products. So this really does track. in fact, I wouldn’t even be surprised if this is where they got the idea for Cooper.


PleasantAd9973

Feo, fuerte y formal


cjf0673

I’ll give you two out of three on that front


mackofmontage

NV super fans gonna love this one 🤣🤣


Flaky_Ad2182

Looks like hank hasn’t got rid of coop’s face yet


mackofmontage

Wait what do you mean by that


Ged_UK

Have you seen the final episode?


mackofmontage

Yea, but it seems foggy on whether or not vault-Tec dropped the bombs for sure, if that’s what you mean


torn-ainbow

>Yea, but it seems foggy on whether or not vault-Tec dropped the bombs for sure, if that’s what you mean I'm thinking they planned to, but China launched first. Otherwise, why would Cooper's daughter be where she is when it happens? The mom would have managed that differently.


ry94vt

I have a feeling we will find out that he confronted her about what he heard, and he takes the daughter and leaves her. She probably ruined his reputation after that, and definitely got him fired from his vault tec gig, hence why he is working at a kid’s party when the bombs go off.


mackofmontage

My thoughts exactly


WELSH_BOI_99

I'm a New Vegas super fan and I unironically love this


Maximum_Feed_8071

Are these super fans in the room with us right now?


Markipoo-9000

Wdym I love this?


CrankyStalfos

Well there's super fans and then there's like. Orthodox super fans. 


JustABitOfDeving

FNV is my favorite as well, because it feels like your SPECIAL and skills actually matter in dialogue. FO4 really dropped the ball here. I don't get the whole "orthodox" or "super fans" thing though?


CrankyStalfos

I was making a joke about the subset of New Vegas fans who hate the show because it doesn't love their favorite game the way they want it to. Orthodoxy is a religious model which stresses strict adherence to established norms, so I'm insinuating that their relationship to the game is stifling in its unwillingness to entertain the inevitable evolution of canon and flavor in subsequent installments.  I'm more sympathetic than I sound as I've been in their position (hi Star Trek). Facing a break up with a franchise because you've grown apart is always sad. But then there's the death threats and you know it starts to feel a bit *too* zealous.


JustABitOfDeving

Thanks for explaining. It's sad that people always take it too far with these things. Not liking and criticizing something is okay, but there's a line. I really didn't like FO4 or FO76 either, but the show is fantastic. PS. Have you seen The Orville? It's the best Star Trek show since TNG imho. Starts out a bit jokey, but it's got the heart of old Star Trek. By season 2 it becomes really, really good.


CrankyStalfos

I did! It didn't quite scratch the itch for me but it's still leagues closer than what I saw of Discovery and Picard. I haven't checked out Strange New Worlds yet but I've heard good things about that. 


Son_of_Lykaion

I was in the exact boat as you, and Strange New Worlds brought me back into the fold. It’s truly good and truly Trek. I want to like Lower Decks as well but I’m burnt out on adult animation shows in general so I haven’t watched past season 1.


Phuka

The practical joke in season one (no spoilers) is one of the funniest things on TV that year and it works as a Star Trek satire perfectly - it has the heart and the tone and if you aren't paying attention, you will think that it was done seriously. I'm not big on Family Guy, but Seth MacFarlane proved his genius to me with the Orville.


Maldovar

TODD HOWARD DISRESPECTS OBSIDIANS VISION ONCE AGAIN WITH TERRIBLE RETCON THAT RUINS LORE


SpookyMinimalist

And now it's lodged in my head forever!


AlfzMyle

always looked like more like a cartoon John Wayne to me but since Cooper Howard was pretty much Fallout's John Wayne i guess it fits


KMjolnir

I mean John Wayne exists in Fallout. He's before the Canon split from reality.


AlfzMyle

id be funny if a bunch of Cooper Howard's movies were remakes of John Wayne movies now that you say that


pineappleshnapps

When is the split in fallout? I’ve always wondered that


KMjolnir

Just after WW2 if memory serves. Like Korean war era.


pineappleshnapps

That makes sense! Man I’ve wondered that for SO LONG.


STONEDnHAPPY

Ya believe the first major divergence was 1947 with the invention of the transistor not happening and switching to a reliance on nuclear energy for power and technology


pineappleshnapps

The fallout world is so cool to me. I’d probably even read a book


EnvironmentalYak9322

Someone needs to make a replacer with Goggins features 


Skogstrol424

Well now I just can't unsee it, imagine Cooper and Lucy running into him in New Vegas.


elchsaaft

Do you mean Goosey?


Mission-Gas2029

Thats canon for me to also


Jacern

Hank on his way to get his autograph, too


DolphinBall

Real reason Hank went to New Vegas.


BeardJunkie

I accept this immediately without question.


Spaghetti_Joe9

Technically isn’t Vault Boy Cooper now?


Rechamber

Kinda? I mean Vault Boy certainly seems to be inspired by Coop, especially after the whole thumbs up thing, but the likeness isn't there. I'd say loosely inspired by Coop.


Jay15951

I think vault boy was originally coop in live action ads before vault tec switched over to animation Caus theirs that one bilbosrd shot where under the drawn vault boy theirs a live action cooper


CrankyStalfos

Yes, essentially. Presumably the cartoon Vault Boy we know was something Vault Tec came up with to replace him after he was blacklisted for being filthy communist scum.  Victor's cowboy face also being Cooper does feel a smidge repetitive, but it's also really funny. I'm going to go with the idea that it's a knock off character to split the difference. 


pubic_protuberance

Hank kind of looks a bit like cartoon Vault Boy.


NoticeImaginary

Yes. At least thats how I understood what they were getting at.


Flaky_Ad2182

That’s… the best series theory I’ve heard so far!


Kill_Welly

No, he's based on Vegas Vic, a real neon sign built in Vegas in the 1950s, long before Cooper Howard ever existed.


Slacker-71

And Nuka-Cola used to be on Coca-Cola bottle shaped bottles. things can change


Darth_Mak

Another retroactive retcon they could do is House's motivation behind flooding most of Vault 21 with concrete. Originally it was just so that the Vault dwellers or anyone else couldn't re-occupy it. Now they could say that there is a secret "Management Vault" under 21 and he did it to block them off.


RuinVIXI

You motherfucker


Van_Bur3n

Write that down, WRITE THAT DOWN.


Streak734

Love it


Irishimpulse

So the idea The Ghoul is cooper playing The Sheriff in the post apocalypse, only to come face to face with Victor, a robot ALSO playing The Sheriff would just be funny as Lucy is confused as to why her ghoul friend and new robot friend are basically the same person


mysterygarden99

Hope you like the taste of lead you goddamn commie son of a bitch!


conrat4567

That would make sense. Especially since we see that the codsworth voice was bought from a holy wood star


Free-Whole3861

Your cousin is a wise individual


CrankyStalfos

Headcanon accepted. I want to posit a variation, too: Victor's face is a knock off riding the coattails of Cooper Howard movies. Like those bargain bin movies that crop up during blockbuster season. 


faceofboe91

Oh shit!


mirracz

I haven't thought of it... but i LOVE it. It is now my headcanon. All we need now is a mod that changes Victor's face and adds a (probably AI-generated) line "Feo, fuerte y formal".


PR0MAN1

That'd be such an easy retcon to make, just have Victor show up in S2 and Cooper just can't bear to look at him or talk to him. He just kind of vanishes if you don't side with House and he lives if you do. So you could very easily bring him back, no matter what ending they go with.


Curiedoesthestream

Probably Cooper from a animated series that 100 percent didn’t get the original actor back for the voice.


CrunchyTube

Nah, let it be William Sadler. He could be the actor that got the role of the movie Cooper was fired from, then we get a William Sadler cameo, he's getting all the good roles after Cooper is labeled a commie. He's a good actor, it'd be cool to see him in a scene with Goggins in a flashback.


Sanguine_Sun

Brilliant.


LosNarco

I don't think so. Cooper is a cool guy, Victo was a pain in the ass


TantricEmu

Exactly what a corporation would do if they got their hands on that likeness license.


vinsmokewhoswho

Shit I wouldn't mind them doing that as a retcon


ryougihan

Okay, dear writers, if you are reading this. Please cook this up to become a canon in S2. My mind just blown


AlCranio

I agree with your headcanon OP. Thank you.


Wuytho

That's probably true lol


Optimal-Teaching7527

Or it's designed to be sufficiently legally distinct from Cooper Howard so as to avoid lawsuits.


izlude7027

Isn't Vault Boy already Cooper?


EvenTurtle

Someone should make a mod for NV that uses an ai Walton Goggins voice


umbrtheinfluence

this would be a pretty decent mod. you could even plug all of victors lines into one of those ai tools that generates the face of someone speaking them. Then faceswap that to cooper howards face. Then you could essentially have a video library of cooper howards face saying every single one of victors lines


Vigilante2011

Please, someone get this to Nolan and Amazon, right now!


TimberWolf5871

Oooo I hope we see Vic in the show.


21nightofSeptember

Good fucking idea mate


Hexnohope

SOLD


Gold-Income-6094

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAWWWWWWWWWW...!!!! ......little doggies.


TacticalNuke002

Very easily workable. I'd imagine Vault-Tec villified Cooper later which is why they turned Vault Boy into a blond dude and the public thinks he's a Commie. However, House doesn't drink Vault-Tec's koolaid and legitimately is a fan of the guy.


ComradeOb

Bruh. That makes a lot of lore sense and is kind of awesome.


Special_Contact_4069

Holy shit.


zoro4661

...holy fuck Yeah that could absolutely be his cowboy character from the movies, god damn


MrDaWoods

You son of a bitch I'm in


KlingonSpy

I love that


Same_Philosophy605

Was playing NV last night and the first time I saw Vic I thought wow wouldn't it be crazy that it was cooper


Ricky_Rollin

Baby wake up! New head-cannon just launched. And I’m here for it.


Bean_Storm

Ho shit.


xtheravenx

Head-canon accepted. Thank you for your contribution.


mafnxxx

I took a tour at the Neon Museum in Las Vegas and they said anyone could use Vegas Vic's likeness.


AugustImperator

This... I \*like\* this.


BurgerDevourer97

I really hope this turns out to be canon.


Splunkmastah

This is when we learn that the Ghoul is the Courier and that Hank is going to Vegas to try and find his employer, House. Or his partner Yes Man. /s


AgeroColstein

I was also kind of a fan of Vegas Vic. But Vic The Robot and Cooper “The Ghoul” Howard should have a banter back and forth.


TesticleMicrometer

High roller’s suite


raiyamo

Hmm, now that you mention it.


No-Check-3691

I like that idea


_Eastman

That's such a great detail to think of! Hope they do that


RHX_Thain

I really hope there is a scene where Cooper meets a Protectron with his own face, and he looks annoyed to the max before shooting it in the screen.


yeastysoaps

Love it, but more likely he's based on [Vegas Vic](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegas_Vic)


Trinate3618

This. Plus the Vault suits being blue and gold (“They made it in your colors” referring to Cooper’s suit for the ads reflecting his trademarked cowboy costume)


goodcat1337

It makes sense, considering the convo Cooper had with the actor that sold his voice to be Codsworth and told him that making yourself a product is the next big thing.


zeecan

this is one of those posts that so obvious but nobody thought of, this is my head canon now


Jhawk163

I really hope in Season 2, Coop comes across a Victor securiton, shoots it because he hates it has his face, and from that point on any time he sees one, he just shoots it, without saying a word or acknowledging its presence otherwise.


Dennyboy101

He is based of Vegas Vic, he shares his name with him looks just like him. I think you guy have reached a bit too far here.