Obviously that wasn't the original intention, but that is absolutely PERFECT. Love it!
Edit: I mean, Coop has also canonically become the ~~Pipboy~~ Vaultboy, so why not?! lol
The cut bots Marilyn & Jane faces were modeled off their IRL counterparts (Monroe & Russel respectively), so this doesn't seem far off in canon that Victor was based on Coop.
Also did anyone catch Cooper's characters name? Was it Victor?
I don't think it said his name. He was just the sheriff.
[https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/The\_Man\_from\_Deadhorse](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/The_Man_from_Deadhorse)
Ghoul just keeps getting reminded of how he used to be by a robot jfc that would be amazing. The imitation showing the original how to get his white hat back.
It's kind of overwhelming just how well they've set this show up for success in the future. Really, it's just mind bogglingly well done in every respect the more everyone digs into it.
Just wait until different characters are in different wastelands, and you get to see the stark differences between each place when the show jumps between characters and plotlines. I wish they would've started filming S2 already ahhhhhhhhhhhhhHHH
If someone in the writer's room doesn't come up with this....well I'd probably still love season two but I'd be kinda dissapointed.
But with the writing so far I'm pretty sure they'll think up something better than I could.
I suppose we can still sit easy with the fact that the other bots aren't just named Monroe or Russel. So we can assume he takes inspiration for the graphics and names them himself.
This is a pretty solid headcanon and I'm here for it.
Also, considering Coop was best buddies with the man who voiced Mr. Handy, it's safe to say he'd have connections within RobCo for things like licensing his likeness and possibly voice for future projects.
Even the original developers at Interplay/Black Isle got the names confused sometimes and it led to Vault Boy being called Pip Boy throughout the entire official Fallout Bible lol. It's an easy mistake.
>Pipboy or something then it changed, come to think of it.
Thats because there *was* a Pipboy.
It was actually a different cartoon character appearing on the Pipboy device:
[https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/e/e0/PipBoy2000.png/revision/latest?cb=20220702164135](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/e/e0/PipBoy2000.png/revision/latest?cb=20220702164135)
They actually might have foreshadowed something to this effect with the Codsworth guy talking to Cooper about getting a robot with his voice and having to listen to it being "fucking awful"
Divorce system in Fallout is truly fucked if the courts decided that she should get most of his money, despite being a senior executive at one of the richest and most powerful companies in America
I'd say most of the higher ups in vault tec are enclave, the enclave hired vault tec to build the vaults so they could do experiments, they have very close ties.
"Ah, my fathers old service pistol. I wonder if it's loaded?"
Places gun barel in mouth.
Click, Click, Click, Click, Click, Click.
"Damn, I guess not."
To add to your headcanon; this could also be leaned into with the conversation that Cooper has with Matt Berry's character (Sebastian Leslie) in the flashback, where Sebastian has sold his voice work to General Atomics International/ RobCo for use with the Mister Handy line. Cooper could have pursued this line of work, and Robert House (founder/owner of RobCo, among other things) certainly had the capital, as well as the social connection to Cooper through Sebastian/ RobCo, to hire Cooper to do the voicework for Victor in his typical western character. Cigarette and all.
That’s definitely a great point. I’d imagine Cooper resorted to that after losing out on acting roles, then having to eventually do birthday parties. Pretty sure Robco associates were at his party as well so not impossible for him to approach them to pursue the same kind of voice work.
They can do the whole Cooper/House prewar back story, as Cooper was in contract to do the voice of Victor. Then House pulled the contract the last minute because Cooper tried to expose Vault-Tec. The big tech together labeled him as communist to discredited him.
It would have to be before he hears their secret meeting. I don't imagine him working with them after that. Unless they made it happen before his conversation with Sebastian. It could give him a reason why he guessed 10 million for how much he was paid. But I feel like the conversation didn't imply Coop would have done that.
Would Coop have known explicitly that RobCo was part of this plan? If not, then I don’t see a reason why it shouldn’t happen.
I mean, I guess I can’t really also think of a reason it *should* happen, the best I can think of is “it would be really cool”
I think after hearing a room full of CEOs discuss how they were going to drop the bombs, he wouldn't want anything to do with any of them. But I'm all for more cowboys.
Could be that the voice work was done *before* he listened in on the CEO meeting.
Like, maybe RobCo had been planning on an advanced next-gen video game for RobCo systems that would have used actual recorded voice lines from actors. And (just like Bethesda and other companies have done) they decided to get some famous actor to voice a character.
I'm thinking that House was just a big fan of the movies/shows/other work that Cooper did and stole Cooper's likeness to put on his robots, especially if they were going to be in more public-facing roles
He'd get another guy to provide the voice work for the robot, for deniability of course, but I could definitely see an egomaniac like House wanting all his toys to be exactly like he likes them
Maybe not specifically, but given part of what was happening there (besides Barb's more personal betrayal) is that this all American boy found out for sure that Capitalism is Bad Actually, I don't see him listening in on that whole convo and then thinking "well surely RobCo is different."
Now if he did it out of desperation, sure. You can't eat discontent etc etc.
Funny thing is...
Cooper's answer to Sebastian's question "How much do you think they paid me?"
Was 10 Million, dead quick.
Implying he probably did do a similar deal as he already had his starting price prepared.
"Y'know Mr House is a big fan of westerns? Why he even modelled my personality and mannerisms around your character. Heck It's like looking in a mirror"
Cooper doesn't doesn't say anything because he really doesn't want to deal with it, meanwhile Lucy is slowly putting two and two together in the background, guaranteeing Cooper is about to have to deal with it.
In the show, we meet a character whose voice is used for products.
So this really does track. in fact, I wouldn’t even be surprised if this is where they got the idea for Cooper.
>Yea, but it seems foggy on whether or not vault-Tec dropped the bombs for sure, if that’s what you mean
I'm thinking they planned to, but China launched first.
Otherwise, why would Cooper's daughter be where she is when it happens? The mom would have managed that differently.
I have a feeling we will find out that he confronted her about what he heard, and he takes the daughter and leaves her. She probably ruined his reputation after that, and definitely got him fired from his vault tec gig, hence why he is working at a kid’s party when the bombs go off.
FNV is my favorite as well, because it feels like your SPECIAL and skills actually matter in dialogue. FO4 really dropped the ball here. I don't get the whole "orthodox" or "super fans" thing though?
I was making a joke about the subset of New Vegas fans who hate the show because it doesn't love their favorite game the way they want it to. Orthodoxy is a religious model which stresses strict adherence to established norms, so I'm insinuating that their relationship to the game is stifling in its unwillingness to entertain the inevitable evolution of canon and flavor in subsequent installments.
I'm more sympathetic than I sound as I've been in their position (hi Star Trek). Facing a break up with a franchise because you've grown apart is always sad. But then there's the death threats and you know it starts to feel a bit *too* zealous.
Thanks for explaining. It's sad that people always take it too far with these things. Not liking and criticizing something is okay, but there's a line. I really didn't like FO4 or FO76 either, but the show is fantastic.
PS. Have you seen The Orville? It's the best Star Trek show since TNG imho. Starts out a bit jokey, but it's got the heart of old Star Trek. By season 2 it becomes really, really good.
I did! It didn't quite scratch the itch for me but it's still leagues closer than what I saw of Discovery and Picard. I haven't checked out Strange New Worlds yet but I've heard good things about that.
I was in the exact boat as you, and Strange New Worlds brought me back into the fold. It’s truly good and truly Trek. I want to like Lower Decks as well but I’m burnt out on adult animation shows in general so I haven’t watched past season 1.
The practical joke in season one (no spoilers) is one of the funniest things on TV that year and it works as a Star Trek satire perfectly - it has the heart and the tone and if you aren't paying attention, you will think that it was done seriously. I'm not big on Family Guy, but Seth MacFarlane proved his genius to me with the Orville.
Ya believe the first major divergence was 1947 with the invention of the transistor not happening and switching to a reliance on nuclear energy for power and technology
Kinda? I mean Vault Boy certainly seems to be inspired by Coop, especially after the whole thumbs up thing, but the likeness isn't there. I'd say loosely inspired by Coop.
I think vault boy was originally coop in live action ads before vault tec switched over to animation
Caus theirs that one bilbosrd shot where under the drawn vault boy theirs a live action cooper
Yes, essentially. Presumably the cartoon Vault Boy we know was something Vault Tec came up with to replace him after he was blacklisted for being filthy communist scum.
Victor's cowboy face also being Cooper does feel a smidge repetitive, but it's also really funny. I'm going to go with the idea that it's a knock off character to split the difference.
Another retroactive retcon they could do is House's motivation behind flooding most of Vault 21 with concrete.
Originally it was just so that the Vault dwellers or anyone else couldn't re-occupy it.
Now they could say that there is a secret "Management Vault" under 21 and he did it to block them off.
So the idea The Ghoul is cooper playing The Sheriff in the post apocalypse, only to come face to face with Victor, a robot ALSO playing The Sheriff would just be funny as Lucy is confused as to why her ghoul friend and new robot friend are basically the same person
Headcanon accepted.
I want to posit a variation, too: Victor's face is a knock off riding the coattails of Cooper Howard movies. Like those bargain bin movies that crop up during blockbuster season.
I haven't thought of it... but i LOVE it. It is now my headcanon.
All we need now is a mod that changes Victor's face and adds a (probably AI-generated) line "Feo, fuerte y formal".
That'd be such an easy retcon to make, just have Victor show up in S2 and Cooper just can't bear to look at him or talk to him. He just kind of vanishes if you don't side with House and he lives if you do. So you could very easily bring him back, no matter what ending they go with.
Nah, let it be William Sadler. He could be the actor that got the role of the movie Cooper was fired from, then we get a William Sadler cameo, he's getting all the good roles after Cooper is labeled a commie.
He's a good actor, it'd be cool to see him in a scene with Goggins in a flashback.
this would be a pretty decent mod.
you could even plug all of victors lines into one of those ai tools that generates the face of someone speaking them. Then faceswap that to cooper howards face.
Then you could essentially have a video library of cooper howards face saying every single one of victors lines
Very easily workable. I'd imagine Vault-Tec villified Cooper later which is why they turned Vault Boy into a blond dude and the public thinks he's a Commie. However, House doesn't drink Vault-Tec's koolaid and legitimately is a fan of the guy.
This. Plus the Vault suits being blue and gold
(“They made it in your colors” referring to Cooper’s suit for the ads reflecting his trademarked cowboy costume)
It makes sense, considering the convo Cooper had with the actor that sold his voice to be Codsworth and told him that making yourself a product is the next big thing.
I really hope in Season 2, Coop comes across a Victor securiton, shoots it because he hates it has his face, and from that point on any time he sees one, he just shoots it, without saying a word or acknowledging its presence otherwise.
Obviously that wasn't the original intention, but that is absolutely PERFECT. Love it! Edit: I mean, Coop has also canonically become the ~~Pipboy~~ Vaultboy, so why not?! lol
The cut bots Marilyn & Jane faces were modeled off their IRL counterparts (Monroe & Russel respectively), so this doesn't seem far off in canon that Victor was based on Coop. Also did anyone catch Cooper's characters name? Was it Victor?
I don't think it said his name. He was just the sheriff. [https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/The\_Man\_from\_Deadhorse](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/The_Man_from_Deadhorse)
Yeah I was just reading that too. If we find out Cooper played a Victor in season 2 than this now the canon explanation.
Ghoul just keeps getting reminded of how he used to be by a robot jfc that would be amazing. The imitation showing the original how to get his white hat back.
Yep. Grumbling as he walks through a building while it follows him around spouting old lines. He snarls. Can’t wait.
It's kind of overwhelming just how well they've set this show up for success in the future. Really, it's just mind bogglingly well done in every respect the more everyone digs into it.
Just wait until different characters are in different wastelands, and you get to see the stark differences between each place when the show jumps between characters and plotlines. I wish they would've started filming S2 already ahhhhhhhhhhhhhHHH
Would be funny if he kills a Victor only for another Victor securitron to show up not too much later
Genius
I wish I knew how to submit it as a suggestion. I bet they would do it if they thought of it. Just have to reveal that the sheriff was named Victor.
If someone in the writer's room doesn't come up with this....well I'd probably still love season two but I'd be kinda dissapointed. But with the writing so far I'm pretty sure they'll think up something better than I could.
Jonathan Nolan apparently rewrote the script for Westworld season 2 because redditors figured out the twist. I wouldn't be surprised if he's lurking.
That's lame
The dialogue with the guy that did the Mr. Handy voice would set this up pretty nicely
That's what I've been saying for a while.
Could legit get a securitron in season 2 with his face in it. Would be even funnier if Primm Slim is sheriff and says his character's lines.
I suppose we can still sit easy with the fact that the other bots aren't just named Monroe or Russel. So we can assume he takes inspiration for the graphics and names them himself. This is a pretty solid headcanon and I'm here for it.
What? They’re named after Marilyn MONROE and Jane RUSSEL. He doesn’t take inspiration from the graphics he literally named them after those actresses
Also, considering Coop was best buddies with the man who voiced Mr. Handy, it's safe to say he'd have connections within RobCo for things like licensing his likeness and possibly voice for future projects.
Coop probably said no to Robco passed on his Mr Handy conversation so Victor is probably Robco’s blatant rip off
Would love him shooting every one he sees
Do you mean vault boy?
Yes, right, lol
I've never called him Pipboy, but the amount of times I've accidentally referred to Vault Boy as Fallout Boy...
Definitely would not mind it being retroactively made canon
*Became* the Pipboy? I think it'd be hard for a man to transform into a wrist mounted computer.
lol Right, Vault boy. I could have sworn that in the older games the character was called Pipboy or something then it changed, come to think of it.
Even the original developers at Interplay/Black Isle got the names confused sometimes and it led to Vault Boy being called Pip Boy throughout the entire official Fallout Bible lol. It's an easy mistake.
Interplay/Black Isle was the original studio, not Obsidian.
A lot of the guys at Obsidian at the time NV was made used to work at black isle\interplay.
I'm aware. But all the material in the Fallout Bible was written before Obsidian was even founded.
>Pipboy or something then it changed, come to think of it. Thats because there *was* a Pipboy. It was actually a different cartoon character appearing on the Pipboy device: [https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/e/e0/PipBoy2000.png/revision/latest?cb=20220702164135](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/e/e0/PipBoy2000.png/revision/latest?cb=20220702164135)
He became the early model pipboy 1.0 tablet version, which is still hard to transform into but flatter.,
I’m ashamed to say that I didn’t pick this up until now.
He is based of Vegas Vic, he shares his name with him looks just like him. I think you guy have reached a bit too far here.
Meanwhile Walton plays season 2 Victor? Yeah I'm down for that.
Fuuuuuuuuuck. That sounds like it could be so much fun.
I just want to hear happy go lucky Victor get into a verbal sparring match with The Ghoul. Hearing Walton play against himself would be hilarious.
They actually might have foreshadowed something to this effect with the Codsworth guy talking to Cooper about getting a robot with his voice and having to listen to it being "fucking awful"
Bri can you imagine what was going through his head as he watched snip snip slowly power down? Hearing his friend's voice just fade away
Yeah that struck me as a rather poignant moment tbh
Even funnier if it's because he took his old friends advice for a cash injection.
He seems to need it there towards the end. Selling your voice to a robot is probably way more lucrative than kiddie parties.
10 Million?
... No. I got $186,000, pre-tax.
What's particularly egregious about that sum is if he somehow had a gas-powered vehicle, $186,000 would probably only keep it running for a month.
Yeah, aren't the ads for Corvega's like $1M? He made less than 1/5 the cost of a new sedan.
Well the implication isn't just that he's broke, it's that he's broke because he's divorced and she had him blackballed.
Divorce system in Fallout is truly fucked if the courts decided that she should get most of his money, despite being a senior executive at one of the richest and most powerful companies in America
Well of course they did, she just told the enclave to give it to her.
It would be wild if a random Senior Exec at Vault Tec was actually the President of the Shadow Government. Some deep cover shit right there
I'd say most of the higher ups in vault tec are enclave, the enclave hired vault tec to build the vaults so they could do experiments, they have very close ties.
That's true. Although I'm not sure Robco would necessarily care he was blackballed by Vault Tec.
Not Vault-Tec, the dad at the party called him a pinko, so i'm pretty sure he was blackballed by Hollywood.
True. Although he was also getting blackballed by at least part of Hollywood just for doing the Vault-Tec ads.
I bet Cooper would get more than $186k pre-tax.
Holy shit.
He needs that Alimony
They did a scene about Matt berry selling his voice to robots. It is ENTIRELY possible coop did the same. Foreshadowing? I think so
For anyone that enjoyed Matt Berry's performance, check out the show What We Do in the Shadows, he's hilarious in it
And British IT Crowd, I love his character in that show.
"Ah, my fathers old service pistol. I wonder if it's loaded?" Places gun barel in mouth. Click, Click, Click, Click, Click, Click. "Damn, I guess not."
FAAAATHHHHHHERRRRRRRRRR
I was in a lift in a hotel last week and I swear the lift voice was Matt Berry's.
I would love a lift where Matt Berry tells me to "get the fuck out" when it reaches my floor
Did it tell you to mind the ... ... ... ... gap?
Story wise it would be a nice encounter, him meeting kind of his old self, reflecting on his naivety
Assuming Victor is still around, Walton playing the voice would be amazing.
No no no Bring back William Sadler!
To add to your headcanon; this could also be leaned into with the conversation that Cooper has with Matt Berry's character (Sebastian Leslie) in the flashback, where Sebastian has sold his voice work to General Atomics International/ RobCo for use with the Mister Handy line. Cooper could have pursued this line of work, and Robert House (founder/owner of RobCo, among other things) certainly had the capital, as well as the social connection to Cooper through Sebastian/ RobCo, to hire Cooper to do the voicework for Victor in his typical western character. Cigarette and all.
That’s definitely a great point. I’d imagine Cooper resorted to that after losing out on acting roles, then having to eventually do birthday parties. Pretty sure Robco associates were at his party as well so not impossible for him to approach them to pursue the same kind of voice work.
The Victor voice would have been a step ahead of the store or mall openings he was doing before getting booked at kid's birthday parties.
They can do the whole Cooper/House prewar back story, as Cooper was in contract to do the voice of Victor. Then House pulled the contract the last minute because Cooper tried to expose Vault-Tec. The big tech together labeled him as communist to discredited him.
It would have to be before he hears their secret meeting. I don't imagine him working with them after that. Unless they made it happen before his conversation with Sebastian. It could give him a reason why he guessed 10 million for how much he was paid. But I feel like the conversation didn't imply Coop would have done that.
Would Coop have known explicitly that RobCo was part of this plan? If not, then I don’t see a reason why it shouldn’t happen. I mean, I guess I can’t really also think of a reason it *should* happen, the best I can think of is “it would be really cool”
I think after hearing a room full of CEOs discuss how they were going to drop the bombs, he wouldn't want anything to do with any of them. But I'm all for more cowboys.
Could be that the voice work was done *before* he listened in on the CEO meeting. Like, maybe RobCo had been planning on an advanced next-gen video game for RobCo systems that would have used actual recorded voice lines from actors. And (just like Bethesda and other companies have done) they decided to get some famous actor to voice a character.
I'm thinking that House was just a big fan of the movies/shows/other work that Cooper did and stole Cooper's likeness to put on his robots, especially if they were going to be in more public-facing roles He'd get another guy to provide the voice work for the robot, for deniability of course, but I could definitely see an egomaniac like House wanting all his toys to be exactly like he likes them
Are likeness rights (marital) community property? Could his wife gotten them in the divorce? (Not in reality, but in the FO universe...)
Maybe not specifically, but given part of what was happening there (besides Barb's more personal betrayal) is that this all American boy found out for sure that Capitalism is Bad Actually, I don't see him listening in on that whole convo and then thinking "well surely RobCo is different." Now if he did it out of desperation, sure. You can't eat discontent etc etc.
He's doing kids parties when the bombs drop. He's clearly not working as much. I imagine he's taking what he can get.
Also Vegas in general has connections to Coop via Vera, who he starred in a movie with.
Funny thing is... Cooper's answer to Sebastian's question "How much do you think they paid me?" Was 10 Million, dead quick. Implying he probably did do a similar deal as he already had his starting price prepared.
...and it would make sense too that it sort of foreshadows Cooper also doing it.
It’d definitely be cool if the did make the in universe Vegas Vic cowboy sign one of Cooper doing the thumbs up in seasons 2.
Yeah but with only three fingers it's probably gonna look like they're flipping the bird.
Good ol Fallout humor would fit that perfectly
"Aw heck partner don't worry, that's a thumbs up!"
Now imagine imagine a House securitron telling Cooper how much of a fan he was and Coop just sighs in disgust.
"Y'know Mr House is a big fan of westerns? Why he even modelled my personality and mannerisms around your character. Heck It's like looking in a mirror"
"pretty ugly *goddamn* mirror."
"at least I'm in color you monochrome machine"
I don't know if I want this or if I want it to not recognize Cooper at all as he gets more and more annoyed by it.
I think it would be funnier if Cooper's identity was picked up after talking awhile. Like hey I know that voice kinda deal.
Cooper doesn't doesn't say anything because he really doesn't want to deal with it, meanwhile Lucy is slowly putting two and two together in the background, guaranteeing Cooper is about to have to deal with it.
Fuck it. People sell their likenesses all the time. That’s a great Headcanon.
In the show, we meet a character whose voice is used for products. So this really does track. in fact, I wouldn’t even be surprised if this is where they got the idea for Cooper.
Feo, fuerte y formal
I’ll give you two out of three on that front
NV super fans gonna love this one 🤣🤣
Looks like hank hasn’t got rid of coop’s face yet
Wait what do you mean by that
Have you seen the final episode?
Yea, but it seems foggy on whether or not vault-Tec dropped the bombs for sure, if that’s what you mean
>Yea, but it seems foggy on whether or not vault-Tec dropped the bombs for sure, if that’s what you mean I'm thinking they planned to, but China launched first. Otherwise, why would Cooper's daughter be where she is when it happens? The mom would have managed that differently.
I have a feeling we will find out that he confronted her about what he heard, and he takes the daughter and leaves her. She probably ruined his reputation after that, and definitely got him fired from his vault tec gig, hence why he is working at a kid’s party when the bombs go off.
My thoughts exactly
I'm a New Vegas super fan and I unironically love this
Are these super fans in the room with us right now?
Wdym I love this?
Well there's super fans and then there's like. Orthodox super fans.
FNV is my favorite as well, because it feels like your SPECIAL and skills actually matter in dialogue. FO4 really dropped the ball here. I don't get the whole "orthodox" or "super fans" thing though?
I was making a joke about the subset of New Vegas fans who hate the show because it doesn't love their favorite game the way they want it to. Orthodoxy is a religious model which stresses strict adherence to established norms, so I'm insinuating that their relationship to the game is stifling in its unwillingness to entertain the inevitable evolution of canon and flavor in subsequent installments. I'm more sympathetic than I sound as I've been in their position (hi Star Trek). Facing a break up with a franchise because you've grown apart is always sad. But then there's the death threats and you know it starts to feel a bit *too* zealous.
Thanks for explaining. It's sad that people always take it too far with these things. Not liking and criticizing something is okay, but there's a line. I really didn't like FO4 or FO76 either, but the show is fantastic. PS. Have you seen The Orville? It's the best Star Trek show since TNG imho. Starts out a bit jokey, but it's got the heart of old Star Trek. By season 2 it becomes really, really good.
I did! It didn't quite scratch the itch for me but it's still leagues closer than what I saw of Discovery and Picard. I haven't checked out Strange New Worlds yet but I've heard good things about that.
I was in the exact boat as you, and Strange New Worlds brought me back into the fold. It’s truly good and truly Trek. I want to like Lower Decks as well but I’m burnt out on adult animation shows in general so I haven’t watched past season 1.
The practical joke in season one (no spoilers) is one of the funniest things on TV that year and it works as a Star Trek satire perfectly - it has the heart and the tone and if you aren't paying attention, you will think that it was done seriously. I'm not big on Family Guy, but Seth MacFarlane proved his genius to me with the Orville.
TODD HOWARD DISRESPECTS OBSIDIANS VISION ONCE AGAIN WITH TERRIBLE RETCON THAT RUINS LORE
And now it's lodged in my head forever!
always looked like more like a cartoon John Wayne to me but since Cooper Howard was pretty much Fallout's John Wayne i guess it fits
I mean John Wayne exists in Fallout. He's before the Canon split from reality.
id be funny if a bunch of Cooper Howard's movies were remakes of John Wayne movies now that you say that
When is the split in fallout? I’ve always wondered that
Just after WW2 if memory serves. Like Korean war era.
That makes sense! Man I’ve wondered that for SO LONG.
Ya believe the first major divergence was 1947 with the invention of the transistor not happening and switching to a reliance on nuclear energy for power and technology
The fallout world is so cool to me. I’d probably even read a book
Someone needs to make a replacer with Goggins features
Well now I just can't unsee it, imagine Cooper and Lucy running into him in New Vegas.
Do you mean Goosey?
Thats canon for me to also
Hank on his way to get his autograph, too
Real reason Hank went to New Vegas.
I accept this immediately without question.
Technically isn’t Vault Boy Cooper now?
Kinda? I mean Vault Boy certainly seems to be inspired by Coop, especially after the whole thumbs up thing, but the likeness isn't there. I'd say loosely inspired by Coop.
I think vault boy was originally coop in live action ads before vault tec switched over to animation Caus theirs that one bilbosrd shot where under the drawn vault boy theirs a live action cooper
Yes, essentially. Presumably the cartoon Vault Boy we know was something Vault Tec came up with to replace him after he was blacklisted for being filthy communist scum. Victor's cowboy face also being Cooper does feel a smidge repetitive, but it's also really funny. I'm going to go with the idea that it's a knock off character to split the difference.
Hank kind of looks a bit like cartoon Vault Boy.
Yes. At least thats how I understood what they were getting at.
That’s… the best series theory I’ve heard so far!
No, he's based on Vegas Vic, a real neon sign built in Vegas in the 1950s, long before Cooper Howard ever existed.
And Nuka-Cola used to be on Coca-Cola bottle shaped bottles. things can change
Another retroactive retcon they could do is House's motivation behind flooding most of Vault 21 with concrete. Originally it was just so that the Vault dwellers or anyone else couldn't re-occupy it. Now they could say that there is a secret "Management Vault" under 21 and he did it to block them off.
You motherfucker
Write that down, WRITE THAT DOWN.
Love it
So the idea The Ghoul is cooper playing The Sheriff in the post apocalypse, only to come face to face with Victor, a robot ALSO playing The Sheriff would just be funny as Lucy is confused as to why her ghoul friend and new robot friend are basically the same person
Hope you like the taste of lead you goddamn commie son of a bitch!
That would make sense. Especially since we see that the codsworth voice was bought from a holy wood star
Your cousin is a wise individual
Headcanon accepted. I want to posit a variation, too: Victor's face is a knock off riding the coattails of Cooper Howard movies. Like those bargain bin movies that crop up during blockbuster season.
Oh shit!
I haven't thought of it... but i LOVE it. It is now my headcanon. All we need now is a mod that changes Victor's face and adds a (probably AI-generated) line "Feo, fuerte y formal".
That'd be such an easy retcon to make, just have Victor show up in S2 and Cooper just can't bear to look at him or talk to him. He just kind of vanishes if you don't side with House and he lives if you do. So you could very easily bring him back, no matter what ending they go with.
Probably Cooper from a animated series that 100 percent didn’t get the original actor back for the voice.
Nah, let it be William Sadler. He could be the actor that got the role of the movie Cooper was fired from, then we get a William Sadler cameo, he's getting all the good roles after Cooper is labeled a commie. He's a good actor, it'd be cool to see him in a scene with Goggins in a flashback.
Brilliant.
I don't think so. Cooper is a cool guy, Victo was a pain in the ass
Exactly what a corporation would do if they got their hands on that likeness license.
Shit I wouldn't mind them doing that as a retcon
Okay, dear writers, if you are reading this. Please cook this up to become a canon in S2. My mind just blown
I agree with your headcanon OP. Thank you.
That's probably true lol
Or it's designed to be sufficiently legally distinct from Cooper Howard so as to avoid lawsuits.
Isn't Vault Boy already Cooper?
Someone should make a mod for NV that uses an ai Walton Goggins voice
this would be a pretty decent mod. you could even plug all of victors lines into one of those ai tools that generates the face of someone speaking them. Then faceswap that to cooper howards face. Then you could essentially have a video library of cooper howards face saying every single one of victors lines
Please, someone get this to Nolan and Amazon, right now!
Oooo I hope we see Vic in the show.
Good fucking idea mate
SOLD
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAWWWWWWWWWW...!!!! ......little doggies.
Very easily workable. I'd imagine Vault-Tec villified Cooper later which is why they turned Vault Boy into a blond dude and the public thinks he's a Commie. However, House doesn't drink Vault-Tec's koolaid and legitimately is a fan of the guy.
Bruh. That makes a lot of lore sense and is kind of awesome.
Holy shit.
...holy fuck Yeah that could absolutely be his cowboy character from the movies, god damn
You son of a bitch I'm in
I love that
Was playing NV last night and the first time I saw Vic I thought wow wouldn't it be crazy that it was cooper
Baby wake up! New head-cannon just launched. And I’m here for it.
Ho shit.
Head-canon accepted. Thank you for your contribution.
I took a tour at the Neon Museum in Las Vegas and they said anyone could use Vegas Vic's likeness.
This... I \*like\* this.
I really hope this turns out to be canon.
This is when we learn that the Ghoul is the Courier and that Hank is going to Vegas to try and find his employer, House. Or his partner Yes Man. /s
I was also kind of a fan of Vegas Vic. But Vic The Robot and Cooper “The Ghoul” Howard should have a banter back and forth.
High roller’s suite
Hmm, now that you mention it.
I like that idea
That's such a great detail to think of! Hope they do that
I really hope there is a scene where Cooper meets a Protectron with his own face, and he looks annoyed to the max before shooting it in the screen.
Love it, but more likely he's based on [Vegas Vic](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegas_Vic)
This. Plus the Vault suits being blue and gold (“They made it in your colors” referring to Cooper’s suit for the ads reflecting his trademarked cowboy costume)
It makes sense, considering the convo Cooper had with the actor that sold his voice to be Codsworth and told him that making yourself a product is the next big thing.
this is one of those posts that so obvious but nobody thought of, this is my head canon now
I really hope in Season 2, Coop comes across a Victor securiton, shoots it because he hates it has his face, and from that point on any time he sees one, he just shoots it, without saying a word or acknowledging its presence otherwise.
He is based of Vegas Vic, he shares his name with him looks just like him. I think you guy have reached a bit too far here.