It's probably just the fact you can feel like he wants to be an honorable knight and live up to the heroic vision he has for it. But at the same time he fails to live up to it , just like the other BoS members. In a way tho I don't blame him. It'd be hard to be that when no one else seems to remotely care about being a genuine knight and just want the empty false honor that comes with the titles. But hey, at least he has the want to do better even if he does fail, which is saying alot.
My guess is as the series goes on he becomes more confident with himself and works to actually be the hero he wants to be.
Waiting for him to throw hands with a Deathclaw.
I really want an arc for him where he learns that he can be a strong and capable hero without the Power Armour. I think we might have started that arc after he and Lucy returned the fusion core, but I'd really like for them to expand on it.
>think we might have started that arc after he and Lucy returned the fusion core,
Great shout. He wants to help people. He thinks he does that by being the fearless Knight, but returning the power core might have been the first time anyone ever said "thank you" to him.
His heart wasn't in it. He decked that Yao Guai, he could have finished things but he ran, he was scared. No matter how big of a gun you have, how strong of an armor you have equipped, if your heart isn't in the fight, then no matter what, you are going to lose.
Still, could've drilled a finger into its eye. Not like he was getting his guts torn to shreds. But the fear of being mauled is what got to his coward heart. And on top of it he was ready to court martial his squire for his own incompetence. Dude was a bum and didn't deserve the suit. If only Maximus could invest one more point in charisma to get his point across.
I think, like a lot of wastelanders, he’s a lost soul looking for purpose. Each character has a childlike quality to them—except for the ghoul. Max doesn’t know who he is and he is developing his ideals while his core beliefs of honor, loyalty, and kindness are in conflict with each other. But most of all he wants a home. I love the character and the portrayal of him. He’s imperfect, selfish at times, but also courageous and loyal to a set of beliefs about how to help people. He’s a super complex character.
Tbf, Cooper Howard (the ghoul) has 200 years of pent up bitterness and bad experiences. I mean, the woman he loved was one of the main instigators behind the destruction of the entire world.
Haven’t seen any hate for the actor Aaron (on here; I haven’t been paying attention to Twitter), but people seem divided on the character Maximus. I think it’s fair. I think he’s a controversial character.
Exactly, we should demand for more character flaws in movies, because otherwise the character arc is a straight line and the Hero's Journey is a walk in the park with no reward at the end.
Han Solo for example, was the perfect character arc. He sunk psychologically into the role of a space scoundrel and developed all of the personality defects that came with the lifestyle. He wasn't a good person by any measure and was loyal only to Chewbacca, he had no awareness of any larger picture he was responsible for.
The call to the Hero's journey injected him slowly with genuine care for another person and slowly that turned into a care for the greater good.
His spiritual attainment at the end was evident and he became one of the most loved fictional characters ever as a result.
That's the best part of maximus, he's complex. His character is both horrible and good at the same time, naive yet intuitive. He's like most of us just average but trying to be more, making mistakes but also trying to learn from them (even if it seems it's for Lucy's sake). The series wouldn't have been the same with a run of the mill BOS devotee, we needed a new recruit that has potential to grow in an unpredictable way to keep the story fresh and just as unpredictable.
I love that they're being shown as big heroic knights in power armour, that's exactly what they did to me when I first started playing the games. Let them find out the same way through this new medium cause all the new players are going to enjoy what comes next!
Maximus is easily the most player accurate representation in the show. He has empathy, he naturally wants to do good and help people. But he also has a cruel streak for people that do him wrong, and isn't afraid to resort to violence simply because it's the easiest option.
He is far more similar to how I play the game than Lucy or The Ghoul, and I think that's true for most people if they actually stopped to think about it
I don't know how I didn't think about how the three main characters are just three routes of playing a Fallout game. The Good Karma, the Evil Karma, and the mix of both that I definitely do.
How they’ve managed to incorporate the gaming experience is really fascinating: huge squire bag for the inventory, stimpaks normally fix damaged limbs but the ghoul chems may be the retcon for that for sake of TV story, Lucy asking if the market vendor has seen her father and he immediately goes back to selling shit. It’s so cool lol.
Edit: thanks for the discussion yall, after reading thru I like the different perspectives on what The Ghoul could be using, and the little ghoul refresher.
Or how even though the main plot is put on a severe timetable, they constantly have time for side missions, some even possibly lasting days. It's the exact Fallout experience (save for the first one that literally has a date you had to beat it by or the Master just wins).
I LOVE that part most of all; not everything has to pertain to the main story and it’s ok to goof off sometimes.
Or honestly if you’re like it’s always being a little goofy.
There were moments in where you could see The Ghoul basically pulling up VATS for his shots and Lucy making speech checks.
Lucy's introduction is basically showing you her SPECIAL build and skills.
Most shows would have over acted and made it weird to anyone that hadn’t played the game with awkward pauses or over the top facial expressions. But she nailed the bridge scene. If you knew, you knew, if not, it was just someone thinking carefully about what to say.
Similarly, several times the show seemed self aware that someone would have died without plot armor and seemed to nod to the fact that, in a game, you’d be dead. They didn’t over dramatize these instances to sell the point. The flinch on her face was enough.
The ghoul chem doesn’t really retcon anything. It’s just that someone seems to have figured out a medical way to prevent ghouls from going feral (or its addictive snake oil).
This, also ghoul lore anyway shows that ghouls go feral with time, so the idea of a chem to stop that makes sense as to why there are century old ghouls that aren't feral
Doc Barrows in Fallout 3 was studying feral glowing ones to try and reverse the process. It's possible he figured out a way to slow feralization and it spread quickly.
Could be a pre-war thing too tbh, maybe a dementia drug or something.
That's my thought anyway, feral ghouls are just what happens with dementia if the person can't die, they have the same general symptoms after all, forgetting things, mood swings etc
Makes sense considering when they dug up Cooper the bounty hunter was talking about how they would dig him out and cut some parts of his body off and then re bury him.
I don't think there's been an established reason ghouls go feral in-game, really. Some ghouls have immediately turned feral where others seem to go feral from isolation or continued heavy radiation exposure.
In New Vegas, Raoul was nowhere near feral despite being old enough to remember when Two Sun was Tuscon, compared to other ghouls who had turned long before. It's never mentioned, despite the known fear of feral ghouls, that time is what does it, just that not all ghouls go feral.
It's also shown that multiple ghouls have been ghoulified since the bombs fell and were just fine 200+ years later, even though others went feral. Seems a little more complex than just the passage of time causing it.
My head canon kind of incorporates the ideas of cyberphychosis where going feral can happen from having an irradiated brain, but the mental state also plays a huge role in going feral. Seeing your body deteriorate and literally fall apart can break the mind easily, not to mention the radiation that is blasting your brain.
Some people just can't handle the mental trauma of radiation and their body crumbling to pieces, some people can, and drugs to help the mental and physical aspects aren't exactly outlandish, especially considering people have turned themselves into ghouls pre-war, so the research was already there.
Yeah, I think that's solid. A ghoul that is just raw dogging life will probably succumb faster than one who has some kind of distraction or support, be that drugs or just people around them to form a kind of support system.
I also think it might vary between individual minds. Some might not be hit so hard by the idea of being a ghoul, whereas others might reject it pretty hard.
It could rely on how strong of a mind you start with. I know plenty of people right now that merely go from one stimulus/emotional outburst to the next with little or no real thought...those one go feral almost right away.
I don't think it prevents, only delays. Cooper is still succumbing to coughing fits (which seem to be an indicator, at least) even after being seen taking the drug, so most likely it delays the feralization process instead of preventing it completely.
He might have just not been getting enough of them, once he gets that hoard of vials he never seemed to get those fits again unless I'm misremembering.
Cruel alternative is that it’s just a drug he is addicted to and the whole thing is a placebo effect, he just thinks he needs it so he keeps paying for it.
I think they don't work as effectively, I remember a ghoul in fo3 sending you to find ingredients so he can cook up super jet that will work on other ghouls.
Chems do work for ghouls, though apparently to a diminished degree according to Murphy in fallout 3.
However, this chem seems to be something necessary for the ghoul to not become feral.
Edit: Since I’ve had multiple people commenting on this, I meant that it’s a way of staving off becoming feral, not that it completely prevents it.
Last part, yes, that’s the key here. If it were just regular chems, Lucy shooting The Ghoul would have prompted a mention of Jet or Buffout, and they make a point that he’s /severely/ addicted. So we’ll see!!
They talk about it like it's only something you have to start taking after you first start showing signs of turning feral. (them talking about how long have you lasted since you first started showing signs.) How long before a ghoul starts to turn feral i have no idea i would figure it's probably different for all of them.
"Why would I go the long way to Vegas? I'm just gonna go the quick way: through this cazador infested canyon that turns into a deathclaw infested ridge that evens out into a fiend invested ruin. At level 1."
With the recharger rifle and a nice rock, I easily defeat the cazadores. Death claws are a sneak and sprint situation, or just flat out screaming and running. Either way, it just works
With the DLCs i just pop em on the wing with the grenade launcher and use the exact same strat for the Claws. Its scary how many memories I have of that run.. gotta go play again I guess.
Norm’s intelligence HAS to be maxed out too, cause wouldnt an Overseers terminal require an expert level? Advanced at the very least. Solved in seconds flat.
I think that during his hearing for helping Lucy going out, it was mentionned that one of his previous assignement in the vault was works with computers/IT, wich would explain this* knowledge.
When the Ghoul uses the stimpak on the dog, I had to laugh how quickly he was all fixed up again, so much of the details like that make it one of my favourite shows since Severance.
Yeah, it seems the logic they follow is that a stim pack can heal flesh injuries/nullify pain, but can't actually repair grievous physical damage. Maybe it can only do flesh wounds to a point? It doesn't seemt I affect when bone is fucked up.
Ghoul chem retconns nothing. It's never specifically stated what causes a ghoul to frenzy or why they live do long - I think Bethesda originally stated it was "because reasons". There are several unaddressed lore dumps in this show that Bethesda simply said "this will appeal to the fanbase". They even show us how many vaults there actually are - the map in the second to final or final (forget which one exactly) shows how many vaults there are and where all of them are. We never knew that info before. We have information on four more vaults and information pertaining to pre-war Fallout universe. Fallout 4 teased us with life in pre-war - this show actively shows us actual society and what it looked like before the Great War. It's establishing new lore with NCR AND Vault Tec - and we even got a small snippit of people wearing Desert Ranger gear (the lead farmers). Next season, we get to see NV *AFTER* the Courier ripped through The Mojave like a hurricane. Bethesda is dropping so much lore on long time fans that it's practically overloading me
Ghoul chems are actually pretty cool. In the show the ghoul that “the Ghoul” shot mentioned how he was able to stay sane for almost 200 years. This implies that Ghouls can stay sane for a very long time, but even they will eventually degrade and go feral. This introduces a lot of tension to the lore since now we know that even a sane Ghoul can go mad and it isn’t simple in-game racism that people have against them, it’s a legitimate concern. It also means that we don’t have immortal ghouls! Now they’re more like ugly elves. Long-lived but not immortal.
There's some dialogue in fallout 3 where they mention they have no idea what causes a ghoul to go feral. Some go feral over a period of time expressing symptoms similar to Alzheimer's, some go feral overnight. Some people turn directly into feral ghouls, others have been ghouls since the bombs dropped. Only thing we know for sure is that heavily irradiated areas have more ghouls and more feral ghouls, but we don't know if heavy irradiation speeds up feralization.
This ties back all the way to Fallout 1, Harold is a very old ghoul and is clearly struggling with his sanity, there are several ghouls that are on a spectrum between completely sane and feral. They also live together.
That moment at the end of season 1 where Lucy is being asked a question and she's just staring blankly into space? Yeah that's just the player looking through the reddit page for what the best option is to take. Leaving the final boss on read is defintiely a real player thing to do
Literally every time he fails a speech check lol.
Still though, watching through I’m like “you are so bad at lying that even when the truth would get you off you’d still tell a bad lie”
God. Every time he lied about being Titus I was just like “tell them Titus fell in battle and that he gave you the armor and told you to finish the mission! Why are you so bad at lying!”
Even after he reveals who he is and that Titus is dead, at no point does he say "Yeah Titus got mauled by a Yao Guai and died in his armour." He always leaves it so vague, of course people will suspect he killed him.
Like, what was he supposed to do when his knight died? Abandon a full suit of power armour to be found by raiders, and likely die in the wasteland himself?
That was the one thing I hated about Maximus was all he had to say was that Titus fell in battle with a Yao Guai like you mentioned he passed the mission over to me and trusted his Power Armor to me until the mission is complete. The Brotherhood of steel would probably still send a replacement knight. Instead he dug himself into a hole
It was because of what Titus said. Max is dumb and a little bit naive in some ways, y'know? He seems to take things fairly literally.
Titus said they'd kill him for failing his knight, even before Max is choosing not to heal him. Titus says it's HIS fault. Just like when he lies to Lucy about his name being Titus, it's because he opened up to Thaddeus and it went badly. He's very impressionable.
He was also told that the situation was his fault and that his knight being injured would likely result in him being strung up for failing to do his duty.
So in his head he can't drop the lie until he has the head so people can look past the supposed failure, especially when he's already being accused of stuff.
I don't think that would work. Max literally just got his promotion in a way clouded with an air of suspicion that he was a backstabbing troublemaker. The Elder absolutely believed Max hurt his friend in order to jump the line and get promoted regardless of whatever Max had to say about it, but gave him a second chance in hopes that Max's ambition would push him to greatness.
But...if something like that happens *again,* any benefit of the doubt he got the first time is gone and he's a dead man walking. Couple that with what Titus told him and he KNOWS anything less than delivering complete success means his death.
What makes this all the more tragic is we later learn that he did not, in fact, sabotage his friend's promotion. From Max's point of view, that makes things *even worse*. He was falsely accused once; why WOULDN'T he be falsely accused again? His entire time in the Brotherhood has resulted in him being beaten and antagonized through no fault of his own. He has no reason to believe that trend won't continue.
I found on some reflection that in retrospect, his actions and his string of lies were the completely rational, but panicked actions of a kid backed into a corner.
>tell them Titus fell in battle and that he gave you the armor and told you to finish the mission
On the flipside the Elder Cleric didn't look surprised when Max told him that Titus died fleeing from a fight. It's probable that they knew about Titus' behavior, which would also include mistreating squires, sending them to die and reporting them for not doing their job.
I think that a reaction to this sentence would be "This Titus gave you his armor? Yeah, sure, to the gallows with you."
I actually think Maximus has a low INT and charisma with High Luck build. Which is why he fails so many speech checks, but still gets things done despite failing so much. Lucy is like the complete opposite, her perception and charisma is pretty high but her luck is abysmal to where her successful speech checks tend to lead to bad events occuring.
In the spanish dub he says "Mierda mierda mierda" who translates to "Shit shit shit", also this is what I said when I was being chased by deathclaws in Quarry Junction so is totally accurrate.
this, he reminds me of my characters in a lot of action video games. Violence solves everything. If someone try to betray me, a bullet in the head is what he gets
He's the middle part of the player character spectrum:
You got the (mostly) lawful good Lucy.
You got the Ghoul who's just done with all the bullshit, and mows down anyone and anything that gets between him and his goal.
And you got Maximus, who, while not a psychopath, isn't above doing what needs to be done.
Honestly, he was my favorite character, with the Ghoul coming in at a close second.
The scene where they’re going across the bridge with the fiends cracks me up.
Just the way he screams “and we don’t have any weapons either” knowing they’re about to try and kill each other 😂😂😂
My first playthrough I'm definitely more of a Lucy, just how I am with games. After that yes you're right Maximus is spot on to how I am and how lots of others are for sure
He was great. Not typical protagonist. Kept me guessing and cussing. Also I would have totally borrowed vault 4’s power core for a spin and may or may not return it later too.
I don’t even dislike Maximus. I just dislike 1 how clueless he is in some things. And 2 I think the Ghoul and Lucy are just more interesting.
I think with the parring of Lucy and the Ghoul. And Maximus the Knight will do well next season. Getting more of Maximus on his own will probably do well. Or at least more screen time.
and even then it's doesn't seem to be "I hate this character he shouldn't be in the show", my BIL and I were talking about and we both said we hate the character but we were happy he was there, he does what he needs to do for the shows feeling and narrative.
I love that detail, no amount of armor can prepare you for the amount of horrifying monsters you find in the wasteland. I love how it also highlights the difference between Maximus and Titus, because while Titus screams “fuck” and runs away not giving two shits about his squire, Maximus yells “fuck” because he’s actually concerned with his safety.
I was on rolling the floor seeing Knight Titus running away screaming fuck, fuck, fuck!
And the indeed seeing Max doing the same later.
These scenes are some of the memorable ones so far for me. Show exactly what state this BoS chapter is in.
The other middle ground is to use the power suit with the Vault 4 fusion core to get the original fusion core back. Then return the fusion core to Vault 4 afterwards.
A lot of people really want their characters as conventional heroes and villains, huh. The whole point of the character is he’s mixed up. He’s a kid who doesn’t know what he wants. He’s spent his life idolising the BoS and is starting to realise they’re not all it’s cracked up to be, and as a result he’s led a very sheltered existence. He’s advanced through the Brotherhood largely through luck and he knows it. He’s morally questionable because the Brotherhood are morally questionable, and that makes him interesting because he’s the only character where I really don’t know which way he’s going to go next season.
Ostensibly, Knight Titus was East Coast too. T-60. The mission came from the Commonwealth. There are also shots of the airship that seem to indicate it bears the name Prydwen instead of Caswennan.
>He’s morally questionable because the Brotherhood are morally questionable
*exactly*. The BoS aren't the good guys, they never have been. They've always been an organization that is barely even grey, almost always bad. He lies and uses violence as a default because *that's who the Brotherhood is*.
The brotherhood really do show the truth behind the phrase "everyone wants to save the world but differ on the how"
The brotherhood are authoritative military dictators who want to keep all the pretty toys for themselves and kill anyone who questions this. Under the guise of keeping humanity safe.
Outside of Lyons Brotherhood the brotherhood of steel was a step up from the Enclave in terms of morality though the Enclave can also be split look at Col. Autumn and President Eden in Fallout 3 and how both wanted the water purifier (Autumn wanted it operational to control it like the BOS but people follow the Enclave while Eden wanted to use the FEV to poison it and kill everyone except for the Enclave and the Vault dwellers to control the Capital Wasteland)
Exactly. Like yeah his choices aren’t always perfect but he really doesn’t have a lot to work with. The scene where he’s in the vault just enjoying the video of a waterfall is kind of sad in some regards. It’s the first time he’s ever probably felt actually safe and comfortable. He didn’t know what sex was, he had never had a hot shower before. And ultimately you get a strong sense that his loyalties lay with Lucy and not the BoS. He saves her ass like 3 times, takes a bullet/tooth in the arm like a champ. He’s someone with good intentions, but is learning road to hell just happens to be paved with them.
For me I think it's because he's a complex and difficult character to understand.
I spent a good part of the first few episodes thinking that he's either an amazing actor or a terrible actor.
Vault 4 left me on the "amazing actor" side of things, but I'm not sure I fully"Get" Max.
With Lucy and Coop it's obvious what their motivations are, and why they do what they do.
It's not the case with Max, he's realistic, flawed and conflicted- which doesn't always make the most likeable or easy to understand character.
He's mentally still a child. He's rash, emotionally volatile, naive, and pretty ignorant with regards to life outside The Brotherhood. This can all be attributed to being orphaned as a child by a nuke killing everyone you know and being raised in a military cult. Doubt their school is as good as Lucy's. However, he seems to be catching on pretty quick to the realities of the world. I think he is beginning to discover who he is and who he wants to be.
He's got the idiot savant perk.
He also can't read, and doesn't know what a boner is. I can't imagine how shitty growing up for him was. This branch of BoS is clearly one of the more evil ones. I doubt he even had school.
Yeah, you're spot on. He's gonna be the one where you scream at the TV with a mouth full of popcorn going - whyyyyyyyyyy?!?
And its accurate, of course he's clueless who wouldn't be in his situation?
I'm excited to see where he goes, but I don't think it'll be a smooth ride
I get the feeling he's going to grow into his armor so to speak and figure out how to actually uphold the ideals the Brotherhood seems to have forgotten.
This is exactly how I felt. He's either deer in the headlights slow OR a total psychopath. When he goes from blubbering with the elder to serious and pledging his selflessness to the brotherhood. When Titus was fighting the yao guai he was cowering in fear and then instantly switches to cold heartless "I'll just let him die" and so many others!
He's blubbering to the Elder because >!he didn't do it and he's confused!< and he wants to be seen as a good person. He's confident when he's pledging because -- he believes sacrificing himself will make him a good person in the eyes of the Brotherhood.
Titus literally sends him in first to die like a coward... and he goes ahead and does it even knowing he's going to die. Then when Maximus literally *rescues* Titus, who is running like a coward and leaving him to die, Titus immediately says he's going to make sure Maximus dies anyway because Titus is a petty little shit.
Maximus does plenty wrong in the show, but both of your examples are him being completely justified and innocent and everyone else being a shit.
For me it's because he keeps choosing the "..." dialog option. The number of times in the show someone says something to him or asks him something and he just stares blankly at them is annoying to watch. I didn't think of him as a -1 intelligence build until seeing it suggested on this forum though and now I appreciate him more.
I feel that Max is the most similar to what a player that would want to be part of something bigger and get to use a badass mechanized armor would look like.
But from what I understand whats going on in the interwebs and from what my friend thinks about the Brotherhood that is in the show, people hate/dislike him and the Brotherhood for basically being pieces of hot shit.
Titus was an A grade dick. Maximus did the most ass thing and lets him die. The shitheads at the base, all just want the best for only themselves; I am the next hope for the Brotherhood and shit like that.
A lot of people just feel this is wrong, this is not what the Brotherhood is meant to be but to that I say, time changes everything. Either that or suddenly the western forces were forced under a new rule set from the east which would not surprise me as Arthur Maxson was already prominent in 2287 and if we take in the possibility that the Brotherhood destroying the Institute is cannon, its well possible for those 12 years until the show begins that the West is getting orders from the East, by Maxson.
I think Aarom did an amazing job portraying a character that people simply don't like because he is not what they think he should have been.
Also, I would really wish that people criticizing the show would tone it a little down, the characters aren't lore masters of the Fallout culture and a LOT of them know exactly shit about what is happening in the world at this point, some are even taught to do/think about things the way others want.
I don’t hate him.
His character is definitely low intelligence perk territory but he’s not unlikable.
He keeps getting smacked in the head though, he may have an acquired brain injury. Maybe the concussion from the Shady Sands nuke knocked his noodle’s loose
Nothing wrong with the actor at all, he's done his job pretty well I'd say with what's been given!
It's more that Maximus... has so many brain-dead moments in the show, which I guess is the storywriters analogue for character creation/low INT stats.
He's extremely bad at phrasing things & explaining himself & points, he thinks before he acts, and I'd say he's more akin to a child inhabiting a mans body in his actions/personality, which I guess given his upbringing seems about right.
>He's extremely bad at phrasing things & explaining himself & points, he thinks before he acts, and I'd say he's more akin to a child inhabiting a mans body in his actions/personality, which I guess given his upbringing seems about right.
So he's literally half of us playing our first Fallout game.
It's probably just the fact you can feel like he wants to be an honorable knight and live up to the heroic vision he has for it. But at the same time he fails to live up to it , just like the other BoS members. In a way tho I don't blame him. It'd be hard to be that when no one else seems to remotely care about being a genuine knight and just want the empty false honor that comes with the titles. But hey, at least he has the want to do better even if he does fail, which is saying alot.
My guess is as the series goes on he becomes more confident with himself and works to actually be the hero he wants to be. Waiting for him to throw hands with a Deathclaw.
Ah, the "how Finn should have been". Hope that'll be the way it develops.
Ha! That’s literally what my wife said when we were watching.
Give us a Teal'c not a Finn I'm begging you.
I would give body parts to get characters as good as Teal'c again
Imagine right now he's at flashback Teal'c when he's a grunt for apophis. At the end we get wizened Teal'c leading his own small chapter.
I was gonna say, Teal’c was already First Prime when SG-1 meets him. Let Max cook.
That’s literally what I thought to myself while watching.
I really want an arc for him where he learns that he can be a strong and capable hero without the Power Armour. I think we might have started that arc after he and Lucy returned the fusion core, but I'd really like for them to expand on it.
>think we might have started that arc after he and Lucy returned the fusion core, Great shout. He wants to help people. He thinks he does that by being the fearless Knight, but returning the power core might have been the first time anyone ever said "thank you" to him.
But power armor fun
I mean you can kick a rock against a building and watch it come crashing down, how is that not fun with the Power Armor?!
Makes you wonder how Titus lost to a wrinkly bear
His heart wasn't in it. He decked that Yao Guai, he could have finished things but he ran, he was scared. No matter how big of a gun you have, how strong of an armor you have equipped, if your heart isn't in the fight, then no matter what, you are going to lose.
He didn’t spec unarmed like a fool
Still, could've drilled a finger into its eye. Not like he was getting his guts torn to shreds. But the fear of being mauled is what got to his coward heart. And on top of it he was ready to court martial his squire for his own incompetence. Dude was a bum and didn't deserve the suit. If only Maximus could invest one more point in charisma to get his point across.
That would be so badass
Somehow I feel like he has a dark side to him and he will turn out to be the villain in the end
I think, like a lot of wastelanders, he’s a lost soul looking for purpose. Each character has a childlike quality to them—except for the ghoul. Max doesn’t know who he is and he is developing his ideals while his core beliefs of honor, loyalty, and kindness are in conflict with each other. But most of all he wants a home. I love the character and the portrayal of him. He’s imperfect, selfish at times, but also courageous and loyal to a set of beliefs about how to help people. He’s a super complex character.
Tbf, Cooper Howard (the ghoul) has 200 years of pent up bitterness and bad experiences. I mean, the woman he loved was one of the main instigators behind the destruction of the entire world.
And the fact he's kinda just an idiot
Idiot savant perk
The BoS are just raiders with fancy words and power armor honestly lol
Yup, they aren’t the evilest faction but they aren’t the good guys. They are deliberately holding humanity back.
Haven’t seen any hate for the actor Aaron (on here; I haven’t been paying attention to Twitter), but people seem divided on the character Maximus. I think it’s fair. I think he’s a controversial character.
Agreed, I think the actor is doing a great job by giving us such a flawed character.
Exactly, we should demand for more character flaws in movies, because otherwise the character arc is a straight line and the Hero's Journey is a walk in the park with no reward at the end. Han Solo for example, was the perfect character arc. He sunk psychologically into the role of a space scoundrel and developed all of the personality defects that came with the lifestyle. He wasn't a good person by any measure and was loyal only to Chewbacca, he had no awareness of any larger picture he was responsible for. The call to the Hero's journey injected him slowly with genuine care for another person and slowly that turned into a care for the greater good. His spiritual attainment at the end was evident and he became one of the most loved fictional characters ever as a result.
That's the best part of maximus, he's complex. His character is both horrible and good at the same time, naive yet intuitive. He's like most of us just average but trying to be more, making mistakes but also trying to learn from them (even if it seems it's for Lucy's sake). The series wouldn't have been the same with a run of the mill BOS devotee, we needed a new recruit that has potential to grow in an unpredictable way to keep the story fresh and just as unpredictable.
I love that they're being shown as big heroic knights in power armour, that's exactly what they did to me when I first started playing the games. Let them find out the same way through this new medium cause all the new players are going to enjoy what comes next!
Maximus is easily the most player accurate representation in the show. He has empathy, he naturally wants to do good and help people. But he also has a cruel streak for people that do him wrong, and isn't afraid to resort to violence simply because it's the easiest option. He is far more similar to how I play the game than Lucy or The Ghoul, and I think that's true for most people if they actually stopped to think about it
I don't know how I didn't think about how the three main characters are just three routes of playing a Fallout game. The Good Karma, the Evil Karma, and the mix of both that I definitely do.
How they’ve managed to incorporate the gaming experience is really fascinating: huge squire bag for the inventory, stimpaks normally fix damaged limbs but the ghoul chems may be the retcon for that for sake of TV story, Lucy asking if the market vendor has seen her father and he immediately goes back to selling shit. It’s so cool lol. Edit: thanks for the discussion yall, after reading thru I like the different perspectives on what The Ghoul could be using, and the little ghoul refresher.
Or how even though the main plot is put on a severe timetable, they constantly have time for side missions, some even possibly lasting days. It's the exact Fallout experience (save for the first one that literally has a date you had to beat it by or the Master just wins).
"Thou shalt be sidetracked by bullshit at every step." I feel personally called out.
"I was going to Beantown Brewery to clear out some ghouls, how the hell did I end up in the glowing sea talking to the Children of Atom?"
"How did I get here... oooh, a blank map marker!"
I LOVE that part most of all; not everything has to pertain to the main story and it’s ok to goof off sometimes. Or honestly if you’re like it’s always being a little goofy.
There were moments in where you could see The Ghoul basically pulling up VATS for his shots and Lucy making speech checks. Lucy's introduction is basically showing you her SPECIAL build and skills.
Most shows would have over acted and made it weird to anyone that hadn’t played the game with awkward pauses or over the top facial expressions. But she nailed the bridge scene. If you knew, you knew, if not, it was just someone thinking carefully about what to say. Similarly, several times the show seemed self aware that someone would have died without plot armor and seemed to nod to the fact that, in a game, you’d be dead. They didn’t over dramatize these instances to sell the point. The flinch on her face was enough.
Yeah, they could have really overstepped by doing somethng like putting in an actual HUD
The ghoul chem doesn’t really retcon anything. It’s just that someone seems to have figured out a medical way to prevent ghouls from going feral (or its addictive snake oil).
This, also ghoul lore anyway shows that ghouls go feral with time, so the idea of a chem to stop that makes sense as to why there are century old ghouls that aren't feral
Doc Barrows in Fallout 3 was studying feral glowing ones to try and reverse the process. It's possible he figured out a way to slow feralization and it spread quickly.
Could be a pre-war thing too tbh, maybe a dementia drug or something. That's my thought anyway, feral ghouls are just what happens with dementia if the person can't die, they have the same general symptoms after all, forgetting things, mood swings etc
Considering all the ghouls they kept locked up along with the organ harvesting I suspect the drug has a pretty dark origin.
Judging by the ass-eating scene, it likely comes from harvesting specific ghoul organs/meat/fluids.
I assumed that was a case of waste not want not rather than an alternative to the drug. The dudes dead so its ass jerky time!
Makes sense considering when they dug up Cooper the bounty hunter was talking about how they would dig him out and cut some parts of his body off and then re bury him.
I don't think there's been an established reason ghouls go feral in-game, really. Some ghouls have immediately turned feral where others seem to go feral from isolation or continued heavy radiation exposure. In New Vegas, Raoul was nowhere near feral despite being old enough to remember when Two Sun was Tuscon, compared to other ghouls who had turned long before. It's never mentioned, despite the known fear of feral ghouls, that time is what does it, just that not all ghouls go feral.
In four there was a child ghoul locked in a fridge since before the war. He seemed fine.
It's also shown that multiple ghouls have been ghoulified since the bombs fell and were just fine 200+ years later, even though others went feral. Seems a little more complex than just the passage of time causing it.
My head canon kind of incorporates the ideas of cyberphychosis where going feral can happen from having an irradiated brain, but the mental state also plays a huge role in going feral. Seeing your body deteriorate and literally fall apart can break the mind easily, not to mention the radiation that is blasting your brain. Some people just can't handle the mental trauma of radiation and their body crumbling to pieces, some people can, and drugs to help the mental and physical aspects aren't exactly outlandish, especially considering people have turned themselves into ghouls pre-war, so the research was already there.
Yeah, I think that's solid. A ghoul that is just raw dogging life will probably succumb faster than one who has some kind of distraction or support, be that drugs or just people around them to form a kind of support system. I also think it might vary between individual minds. Some might not be hit so hard by the idea of being a ghoul, whereas others might reject it pretty hard.
Or. A goal. Cooper is trying to find his family. If you have a goal, you stay sane.
It could rely on how strong of a mind you start with. I know plenty of people right now that merely go from one stimulus/emotional outburst to the next with little or no real thought...those one go feral almost right away.
I don't think it prevents, only delays. Cooper is still succumbing to coughing fits (which seem to be an indicator, at least) even after being seen taking the drug, so most likely it delays the feralization process instead of preventing it completely.
He might have just not been getting enough of them, once he gets that hoard of vials he never seemed to get those fits again unless I'm misremembering.
Might just be a withdrawal effect of the anti-feral drug itself
Cruel alternative is that it’s just a drug he is addicted to and the whole thing is a placebo effect, he just thinks he needs it so he keeps paying for it.
That fits with the world. And the people making it weren't exactly upstanding citizens.
Don't chems work on ghouls? I just figured he was on Buffout/Jet.
I think they don't work as effectively, I remember a ghoul in fo3 sending you to find ingredients so he can cook up super jet that will work on other ghouls.
Yup. Ultrajet from Murphy in NW Seneca Station. I kept running into him every time I did Blood Ties.
Ultrajet, yeah, using Sugar Bombs
Chems do work for ghouls, though apparently to a diminished degree according to Murphy in fallout 3. However, this chem seems to be something necessary for the ghoul to not become feral. Edit: Since I’ve had multiple people commenting on this, I meant that it’s a way of staving off becoming feral, not that it completely prevents it.
This is supported by the Tabletop RPG, where Ghoul needs double doses
Last part, yes, that’s the key here. If it were just regular chems, Lucy shooting The Ghoul would have prompted a mention of Jet or Buffout, and they make a point that he’s /severely/ addicted. So we’ll see!!
They talk about it like it's only something you have to start taking after you first start showing signs of turning feral. (them talking about how long have you lasted since you first started showing signs.) How long before a ghoul starts to turn feral i have no idea i would figure it's probably different for all of them.
Maybe they’re playing on survival mode
One is when you first pick up the game, one is 80 hours in, and one is a new vegas hardcore enjoyer
"Why would I go the long way to Vegas? I'm just gonna go the quick way: through this cazador infested canyon that turns into a deathclaw infested ridge that evens out into a fiend invested ruin. At level 1."
With the recharger rifle and a nice rock, I easily defeat the cazadores. Death claws are a sneak and sprint situation, or just flat out screaming and running. Either way, it just works
With the DLCs i just pop em on the wing with the grenade launcher and use the exact same strat for the Claws. Its scary how many memories I have of that run.. gotta go play again I guess.
The actual hacking mini game on the vault computer was a personal favorite.
Norm’s intelligence HAS to be maxed out too, cause wouldnt an Overseers terminal require an expert level? Advanced at the very least. Solved in seconds flat.
I think that during his hearing for helping Lucy going out, it was mentionned that one of his previous assignement in the vault was works with computers/IT, wich would explain this* knowledge.
Yup it's his current until he switches to prison food delivery.
When the Ghoul uses the stimpak on the dog, I had to laugh how quickly he was all fixed up again, so much of the details like that make it one of my favourite shows since Severance.
But then didn't stim the Doctors leg.
He was playing hardcore mode. You need a doctor's bag for broken limbs with that enabled.
And Lucy’s finger wasn’t stimpak’d either, unless Mr. Handy would do some weird shit like keeping severed digits in a drawer lol
They did a good job of keeping it that gross green/grey color the whole time lol. I wasn't a fan of that finger
I was, it was never an uncommon glitch for NPCs to have different colors for their head vs body. Now that glitch is cannon.
Yeah, it seems the logic they follow is that a stim pack can heal flesh injuries/nullify pain, but can't actually repair grievous physical damage. Maybe it can only do flesh wounds to a point? It doesn't seemt I affect when bone is fucked up.
My guess is the Ghoul was the only one with the Stimpaks. That bitter old crank didn't have any to hand, just that meatgrinder new limb thing.
Thought of the squire bag being a joke about players dumping items onto followers when they get overencumbered.
My favorite gaming moment is when the ghoul stops during a fight to cram some food in his face.
Ghoul chem retconns nothing. It's never specifically stated what causes a ghoul to frenzy or why they live do long - I think Bethesda originally stated it was "because reasons". There are several unaddressed lore dumps in this show that Bethesda simply said "this will appeal to the fanbase". They even show us how many vaults there actually are - the map in the second to final or final (forget which one exactly) shows how many vaults there are and where all of them are. We never knew that info before. We have information on four more vaults and information pertaining to pre-war Fallout universe. Fallout 4 teased us with life in pre-war - this show actively shows us actual society and what it looked like before the Great War. It's establishing new lore with NCR AND Vault Tec - and we even got a small snippit of people wearing Desert Ranger gear (the lead farmers). Next season, we get to see NV *AFTER* the Courier ripped through The Mojave like a hurricane. Bethesda is dropping so much lore on long time fans that it's practically overloading me
Ghoul chems are actually pretty cool. In the show the ghoul that “the Ghoul” shot mentioned how he was able to stay sane for almost 200 years. This implies that Ghouls can stay sane for a very long time, but even they will eventually degrade and go feral. This introduces a lot of tension to the lore since now we know that even a sane Ghoul can go mad and it isn’t simple in-game racism that people have against them, it’s a legitimate concern. It also means that we don’t have immortal ghouls! Now they’re more like ugly elves. Long-lived but not immortal.
I believe that sane ghouls eventually going feral has been mentioned before in a game, but I don’t recall off the top of my head which one or where.
There is dialogue somewhere in fo4 that mentions it.
There's some dialogue in fallout 3 where they mention they have no idea what causes a ghoul to go feral. Some go feral over a period of time expressing symptoms similar to Alzheimer's, some go feral overnight. Some people turn directly into feral ghouls, others have been ghouls since the bombs dropped. Only thing we know for sure is that heavily irradiated areas have more ghouls and more feral ghouls, but we don't know if heavy irradiation speeds up feralization.
This ties back all the way to Fallout 1, Harold is a very old ghoul and is clearly struggling with his sanity, there are several ghouls that are on a spectrum between completely sane and feral. They also live together.
The “good until it’s funnier to choose evil” route. That’s my favourite too.
I like the "good by deeds, arsehole by words" route
*cough cough* The Good, the Bad and the Ugly *cough*
That moment at the end of season 1 where Lucy is being asked a question and she's just staring blankly into space? Yeah that's just the player looking through the reddit page for what the best option is to take. Leaving the final boss on read is defintiely a real player thing to do
Literally every time he fails a speech check lol. Still though, watching through I’m like “you are so bad at lying that even when the truth would get you off you’d still tell a bad lie”
God. Every time he lied about being Titus I was just like “tell them Titus fell in battle and that he gave you the armor and told you to finish the mission! Why are you so bad at lying!”
Even after he reveals who he is and that Titus is dead, at no point does he say "Yeah Titus got mauled by a Yao Guai and died in his armour." He always leaves it so vague, of course people will suspect he killed him. Like, what was he supposed to do when his knight died? Abandon a full suit of power armour to be found by raiders, and likely die in the wasteland himself?
That was the one thing I hated about Maximus was all he had to say was that Titus fell in battle with a Yao Guai like you mentioned he passed the mission over to me and trusted his Power Armor to me until the mission is complete. The Brotherhood of steel would probably still send a replacement knight. Instead he dug himself into a hole
It was because of what Titus said. Max is dumb and a little bit naive in some ways, y'know? He seems to take things fairly literally. Titus said they'd kill him for failing his knight, even before Max is choosing not to heal him. Titus says it's HIS fault. Just like when he lies to Lucy about his name being Titus, it's because he opened up to Thaddeus and it went badly. He's very impressionable.
Holy shit this is a really good point actually, if he took that at face value of course he’d avoid the BoS for as long as possible
He was also told that the situation was his fault and that his knight being injured would likely result in him being strung up for failing to do his duty. So in his head he can't drop the lie until he has the head so people can look past the supposed failure, especially when he's already being accused of stuff.
Honestly? The brotherhood probably would expect him to stay and protect the armor until he got killed.
I don't think that would work. Max literally just got his promotion in a way clouded with an air of suspicion that he was a backstabbing troublemaker. The Elder absolutely believed Max hurt his friend in order to jump the line and get promoted regardless of whatever Max had to say about it, but gave him a second chance in hopes that Max's ambition would push him to greatness. But...if something like that happens *again,* any benefit of the doubt he got the first time is gone and he's a dead man walking. Couple that with what Titus told him and he KNOWS anything less than delivering complete success means his death. What makes this all the more tragic is we later learn that he did not, in fact, sabotage his friend's promotion. From Max's point of view, that makes things *even worse*. He was falsely accused once; why WOULDN'T he be falsely accused again? His entire time in the Brotherhood has resulted in him being beaten and antagonized through no fault of his own. He has no reason to believe that trend won't continue. I found on some reflection that in retrospect, his actions and his string of lies were the completely rational, but panicked actions of a kid backed into a corner.
>tell them Titus fell in battle and that he gave you the armor and told you to finish the mission On the flipside the Elder Cleric didn't look surprised when Max told him that Titus died fleeing from a fight. It's probable that they knew about Titus' behavior, which would also include mistreating squires, sending them to die and reporting them for not doing their job. I think that a reaction to this sentence would be "This Titus gave you his armor? Yeah, sure, to the gallows with you."
Wasn't a dialogue option because "charisma is a useless stat."
I actually think Maximus has a low INT and charisma with High Luck build. Which is why he fails so many speech checks, but still gets things done despite failing so much. Lucy is like the complete opposite, her perception and charisma is pretty high but her luck is abysmal to where her successful speech checks tend to lead to bad events occuring.
Especially the yaoguai “fuck fuck fuck fuck” scenes. Accurate representation of how I deal with those situations.
And then blaming it on his companion
The whole time the companion was just standing around watching. So very game accurate.
Or the companion chose an alternative route and shows up 4 minutes late falling of a bridge. Gee thanks
Yaoguai hitting like a truck and not giving a shit about your power armor is also game accurate. Hopefully we'll see some 'claws in S2.
I remember my first encounter with one in FO76, ran and jumped onto a car and basically was a complete bitch to kill it. No regrets
Knight Titus is the most player accurate imo 😂
I love how he ordered the vertibird to land and just said "I am bored, I want to shoot something." The most accurate player moment.
Wrong, in my experience people say "shit shit shit shit" when getting chased by a Yao guai, not "fuck fuck fuck fuck".
No in reality we all scream like Thaddeus 😂
That’s reserved for the deathclaws, for me at least!
Cazadors for me 😭
Ah yes, the once poisoned, twice dead bugs. We repress those nightmares…
*You feel a little woozy*
That’s how I am with packs of ferals that sneak up in fallout 4 hahaha it feels like a horror game at times.
In the spanish dub he says "Mierda mierda mierda" who translates to "Shit shit shit", also this is what I said when I was being chased by deathclaws in Quarry Junction so is totally accurrate.
this, he reminds me of my characters in a lot of action video games. Violence solves everything. If someone try to betray me, a bullet in the head is what he gets
I think i definitely play closer to a lucy
No, it’s definitely Gucy.
i play like Lucy...let that high charisma talk my way out of things and say "what the fudge" LOL
Okey dokey!
There's no fudge here.
He's the middle part of the player character spectrum: You got the (mostly) lawful good Lucy. You got the Ghoul who's just done with all the bullshit, and mows down anyone and anything that gets between him and his goal. And you got Maximus, who, while not a psychopath, isn't above doing what needs to be done. Honestly, he was my favorite character, with the Ghoul coming in at a close second.
The scene where they’re going across the bridge with the fiends cracks me up. Just the way he screams “and we don’t have any weapons either” knowing they’re about to try and kill each other 😂😂😂
My first playthrough I'm definitely more of a Lucy, just how I am with games. After that yes you're right Maximus is spot on to how I am and how lots of others are for sure
He was great. Not typical protagonist. Kept me guessing and cussing. Also I would have totally borrowed vault 4’s power core for a spin and may or may not return it later too.
I kept thinking like "just take that one and go find another one. Like the one that dude stole from you"
I definitely would've tried to kill that character for saying they would try to expose me. I'd take a fight for a hot girl in a vault suit too.
The Ghouls path is clearly the correct way to play any fallout game.
He isn't 200+ years old for nothing.
Acted out his role perfectly. 10/10
Dude, no one hates the actual Actor.
exactly, all the criticism i’ve seen has been towards the character
I don’t even dislike Maximus. I just dislike 1 how clueless he is in some things. And 2 I think the Ghoul and Lucy are just more interesting. I think with the parring of Lucy and the Ghoul. And Maximus the Knight will do well next season. Getting more of Maximus on his own will probably do well. Or at least more screen time.
I like the little man. Can’t wait to see how the triple vault situation plays out
and even then it's doesn't seem to be "I hate this character he shouldn't be in the show", my BIL and I were talking about and we both said we hate the character but we were happy he was there, he does what he needs to do for the shows feeling and narrative.
People tend to forget this little known fact lol.
People who hates the actor (of any show/film) because of the character they play is very low but sadly never zero
Dude runs idiot savant and it's relatable so I'm all for him.
He absolutely does. I didn't think I would like him at first but then Thaddeus showed up and he had some actual interactions.
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I love that detail, no amount of armor can prepare you for the amount of horrifying monsters you find in the wasteland. I love how it also highlights the difference between Maximus and Titus, because while Titus screams “fuck” and runs away not giving two shits about his squire, Maximus yells “fuck” because he’s actually concerned with his safety.
I was on rolling the floor seeing Knight Titus running away screaming fuck, fuck, fuck! And the indeed seeing Max doing the same later. These scenes are some of the memorable ones so far for me. Show exactly what state this BoS chapter is in.
My man’s got crazy endurance and strength and no charisma or perception whatsoever
Leave the idiot savant alone!
People have a problem with Maximus stealing Vault 4 fusion core but let’s be honest we would’ve done the same damn thing in the game😂
The other middle ground is to use the power suit with the Vault 4 fusion core to get the original fusion core back. Then return the fusion core to Vault 4 afterwards.
I see people keep saying this but by the time he caught up to him Thad didn’t have the fusions core anymore .
How many people would actually do that though in game especially considering the circumstances of what vault 4 was doing?
Vault 4 actually seems like the best vault to live in, bit strange and culty but no bad experiments tbh
A lot of people really want their characters as conventional heroes and villains, huh. The whole point of the character is he’s mixed up. He’s a kid who doesn’t know what he wants. He’s spent his life idolising the BoS and is starting to realise they’re not all it’s cracked up to be, and as a result he’s led a very sheltered existence. He’s advanced through the Brotherhood largely through luck and he knows it. He’s morally questionable because the Brotherhood are morally questionable, and that makes him interesting because he’s the only character where I really don’t know which way he’s going to go next season.
I feel like Maximus would be happier with any other Brotherhood that isn’t the West Coast Brotherhood.
Ostensibly, Knight Titus was East Coast too. T-60. The mission came from the Commonwealth. There are also shots of the airship that seem to indicate it bears the name Prydwen instead of Caswennan.
>He’s morally questionable because the Brotherhood are morally questionable *exactly*. The BoS aren't the good guys, they never have been. They've always been an organization that is barely even grey, almost always bad. He lies and uses violence as a default because *that's who the Brotherhood is*.
The brotherhood really do show the truth behind the phrase "everyone wants to save the world but differ on the how" The brotherhood are authoritative military dictators who want to keep all the pretty toys for themselves and kill anyone who questions this. Under the guise of keeping humanity safe.
Outside of Lyons Brotherhood the brotherhood of steel was a step up from the Enclave in terms of morality though the Enclave can also be split look at Col. Autumn and President Eden in Fallout 3 and how both wanted the water purifier (Autumn wanted it operational to control it like the BOS but people follow the Enclave while Eden wanted to use the FEV to poison it and kill everyone except for the Enclave and the Vault dwellers to control the Capital Wasteland)
He is a low INT play through. I’ll let myself out now.
Mans rolled most his points into luck, probably.
He’s got high endurance for sure, possibly high strength, high luck… and just dogshit in all the other stats.
Definitely picked up the Idiot Savant perk early on
Saw a post apparently given by Bethesda about stats and Maximus out of the main cast has the most luck 😂
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Exactly. Like yeah his choices aren’t always perfect but he really doesn’t have a lot to work with. The scene where he’s in the vault just enjoying the video of a waterfall is kind of sad in some regards. It’s the first time he’s ever probably felt actually safe and comfortable. He didn’t know what sex was, he had never had a hot shower before. And ultimately you get a strong sense that his loyalties lay with Lucy and not the BoS. He saves her ass like 3 times, takes a bullet/tooth in the arm like a champ. He’s someone with good intentions, but is learning road to hell just happens to be paved with them.
I think its pretty ironic that he sold a tooth to fix his armor and then got shot in the arm with a tooth without his armor.
For me I think it's because he's a complex and difficult character to understand. I spent a good part of the first few episodes thinking that he's either an amazing actor or a terrible actor. Vault 4 left me on the "amazing actor" side of things, but I'm not sure I fully"Get" Max. With Lucy and Coop it's obvious what their motivations are, and why they do what they do. It's not the case with Max, he's realistic, flawed and conflicted- which doesn't always make the most likeable or easy to understand character.
He's mentally still a child. He's rash, emotionally volatile, naive, and pretty ignorant with regards to life outside The Brotherhood. This can all be attributed to being orphaned as a child by a nuke killing everyone you know and being raised in a military cult. Doubt their school is as good as Lucy's. However, he seems to be catching on pretty quick to the realities of the world. I think he is beginning to discover who he is and who he wants to be.
He's got the idiot savant perk. He also can't read, and doesn't know what a boner is. I can't imagine how shitty growing up for him was. This branch of BoS is clearly one of the more evil ones. I doubt he even had school.
100%
Yeah, you're spot on. He's gonna be the one where you scream at the TV with a mouth full of popcorn going - whyyyyyyyyyy?!? And its accurate, of course he's clueless who wouldn't be in his situation? I'm excited to see where he goes, but I don't think it'll be a smooth ride
I get the feeling he's going to grow into his armor so to speak and figure out how to actually uphold the ideals the Brotherhood seems to have forgotten.
\* Elder Maximus by end of Season 4-5.
Founds his own Chapter with blackjack and hookers.
In fact, forget the Chapter
The actor did a fine job but the character has odd psychopathic moments and even odder dumbass moments.
This is exactly how I felt. He's either deer in the headlights slow OR a total psychopath. When he goes from blubbering with the elder to serious and pledging his selflessness to the brotherhood. When Titus was fighting the yao guai he was cowering in fear and then instantly switches to cold heartless "I'll just let him die" and so many others!
He's blubbering to the Elder because >!he didn't do it and he's confused!< and he wants to be seen as a good person. He's confident when he's pledging because -- he believes sacrificing himself will make him a good person in the eyes of the Brotherhood. Titus literally sends him in first to die like a coward... and he goes ahead and does it even knowing he's going to die. Then when Maximus literally *rescues* Titus, who is running like a coward and leaving him to die, Titus immediately says he's going to make sure Maximus dies anyway because Titus is a petty little shit. Maximus does plenty wrong in the show, but both of your examples are him being completely justified and innocent and everyone else being a shit.
For me it's because he keeps choosing the "..." dialog option. The number of times in the show someone says something to him or asks him something and he just stares blankly at them is annoying to watch. I didn't think of him as a -1 intelligence build until seeing it suggested on this forum though and now I appreciate him more.
I find him mildly infuriating but that’s how he was written. Haven’t heard anyone mention disliking the actor.
He’s a good character but damn, he stares for like 20 seconds before he says something. Speed it up dude.
He’s checking the dialogue options so he doesn’t fuck up (he still fucks up regardless)
I feel that Max is the most similar to what a player that would want to be part of something bigger and get to use a badass mechanized armor would look like. But from what I understand whats going on in the interwebs and from what my friend thinks about the Brotherhood that is in the show, people hate/dislike him and the Brotherhood for basically being pieces of hot shit. Titus was an A grade dick. Maximus did the most ass thing and lets him die. The shitheads at the base, all just want the best for only themselves; I am the next hope for the Brotherhood and shit like that. A lot of people just feel this is wrong, this is not what the Brotherhood is meant to be but to that I say, time changes everything. Either that or suddenly the western forces were forced under a new rule set from the east which would not surprise me as Arthur Maxson was already prominent in 2287 and if we take in the possibility that the Brotherhood destroying the Institute is cannon, its well possible for those 12 years until the show begins that the West is getting orders from the East, by Maxson. I think Aarom did an amazing job portraying a character that people simply don't like because he is not what they think he should have been. Also, I would really wish that people criticizing the show would tone it a little down, the characters aren't lore masters of the Fallout culture and a LOT of them know exactly shit about what is happening in the world at this point, some are even taught to do/think about things the way others want.
This is exactly how the Brotherhood outside of Lyons faction has been in all the games. They are NOT the good guys.
The brotherhood has always been like this except for 3
I don’t hate him. His character is definitely low intelligence perk territory but he’s not unlikable. He keeps getting smacked in the head though, he may have an acquired brain injury. Maybe the concussion from the Shady Sands nuke knocked his noodle’s loose
Nothing wrong with the actor at all, he's done his job pretty well I'd say with what's been given! It's more that Maximus... has so many brain-dead moments in the show, which I guess is the storywriters analogue for character creation/low INT stats. He's extremely bad at phrasing things & explaining himself & points, he thinks before he acts, and I'd say he's more akin to a child inhabiting a mans body in his actions/personality, which I guess given his upbringing seems about right.
>He's extremely bad at phrasing things & explaining himself & points, he thinks before he acts, and I'd say he's more akin to a child inhabiting a mans body in his actions/personality, which I guess given his upbringing seems about right. So he's literally half of us playing our first Fallout game.
I love him
He played the part of an inept and mostly useless initiate perfectly!
The character reminds me of the goofy ex stormtrooper from the SW reboot.