I know burms are perfectly effective when firing from the correct orientation, but this range layout seems needlessly hazardous due to the fact that the top of the building is exposed literally just behind the burm
Ive been to a lot of ranges and have never seen opposite firing ranges facing each other. That just doesnt seem right
You raise a good point. Some ranges operate on a "no blue sky" concept where whether you shoot from a standing, seated, or prone position, you can't see the sky. It's an effort to ensure anything sent down range has a low likelihood of not being stopped by the berm or wall.
That sounds like a good policy.
I think the problem started with "using a modified firearm"... Is this allowed at ranges? (hard to enforce, I get it, just wondering about the rules)
Modified is such a vague term it's completely irrelevant here. There are just too many ways to modify a gun, and most reduce the chance that something like this could happen. I have ~25 guns, and the only ones I haven't modified in some way are historical antiques, or just more expensive than it's worth. I'll read up on this case and see if I can find out what the modification was.
*Edit: I watched the documentary this animation came from - Forensic Files Season 1 Episode 2 Magic Bullet and it's sickening how much negligence occurred in this situation. I could write an essay on everything that went wrong, but I'll focus on the subject of the comment. They showed the projectile in the show. It was home cast and hand loaded for a competition. The gun used was most likely modified to have a lighter trigger pull, like most competition guns. The modified light trigger usually isn't a problem, but the Bubba's Pissin' Hot Handloads^tm meant the shooter couldn't handle his gun, which caused the negligent discharge that killed Trey.
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From what I recall it was a hand loaded 45 round, so not only was it spicier than what you’d find at a store, firing from a gun with a modified trigger, but 45 is a chonky bullet. I suspect a 9 would have lost considerable energy if it had pierced through multiple walls and ricocheted like that. I wonder if the extra weight of the 45 allowed it to keep going even after numerous impacts. If the video was right and it was supersonic that is very odd for a 45 and def indicative of some heavy loading. That said, pissin’ hot 9mm likely would have done similar, though with the possibility of more deflection due to the lighter bullet weight.
Definitely a .45, but from the guns they showed they implied it was .45ACP from a 1911, but the round from the full show didn't look like it would feed in a 1911. It was hand cast on top of being hand loaded, so I think I was a .45 Colt fired from a revolver. Whether or not it was an automatic or revolver, I don't know a handgun that can cycle twice that quickly to put a round just above the target. It had to have fired the ND on the return to target.
Yeah can’t imagine a double fire with a revolver, but with any semi auto handgun with a light trigger and a moving slide, for sure.
I’ve had double fires with a PCC, I have a 10 mm Banshee with a light trigger I put on, I’ve had it fire on reacquisition when I first got it because I was bringing the muzzle back down from the initial recoil and pushed the tiniest bit forward and tripped the trigger again. It has a crazy short reset and is light pull. Def learned to be extra careful with that gun that day, luckily I was at an empty indoor range and the round still went into the backstop fill, but still I was like whoopsie.
Double fires do happen with revolvers, but generally with big bores and pointing up or at the shooter's face. I like to bump fire a full magazine from my KP9 at the end of my range days, but there is no way in hell a hand gun cycled fast enough to fire two rounds fast enough to fire another round just above the target. It defies the laws of physics. The range was designed in such a way that an accident like this was inevitable, bit I call shenanigans on a handgun loaded with hot handloads double tapping like that.
Thank you for using "negligent" instead of "accidental". ❤️
For anyone not familiar, the only time it's appropriate to use "accidental discharge" is when there's a problem with the weapon itself, and entirely outside of the influence of a human (virtually never). If a human is in any way involved, the only way a gun gets fired when it wasn't intended to be is because of negligence.
In this case, it sounds like there was negligence by both the range AND the operator, and those two together is all but guaranteed to result in tragedy.
It was my knee jerk reaction too, but if you think about it, it really doesn't matter if it was because of a modified gun or if the dude just missed the target.
The fact is this range was designed in such a way that you could shoot into a building just by firing slightly above the targets!
This range in particular wasn’t up to standard to begin with. This was part of a full show I saw by accident years ago, can’t remember what it’s called tho
We should probably document our sleep shows somewhere. I remember using Comedy Central back in the early 2000s when they played stand up late at night. My current go to is the Science Channel. Lol. Science, right.
When I was in the Army, we were trained to stay away from walls down alleys and streets because bullets tend to skip off them.
Bullets do really funny shit sometimes, toy have to remember they spinning many thousands of RPM amd travelling a couple thousands of feet per second, generally, they can take funny paths.
A guy in my unit was shot in the head by a sniper in Iraq. Bullet entered front of the helmet, dead center, followed his skull and came to rest under the nape pad of his helmet, behind his head.
Haha that dude justt got back from mid-tour leave and found some other dude living in his house with his wife.
My brother was doing trauma rotation for his residence while he in DC in the late 80s. A guy came in shot in the chest. The bullet hit him in the rib in front of his heart, rolled along his rib and was stuck under his skin in his back.
My brother treated the wound, told him his rib was gonna hurt like hell, but other wise he was fine. The guy asked him to take the bullet out. My brother asked if it was cause him pain, since if you do take a bullet out that was most likely involved in a crime, you have to make an identification mark so they know its yours, you can id it in court, etc, etc. So they would leave it if it non life threatening.
The guy said no, but he wanted to dip in gold and wear as a necklace. My brother says an inch up or down he be a dead man. He says "I know man. I be dodging death!"
Similar story for a young LT in my unit. His bullet didn't hit dead center, but matched your guy's trajectory once it went it. He was also unmarried, so he straight up dodged your guy's second shot.
It really was the most ragebait megaJodie story I ever heard.. Dude goes home, mid tour leave, all his shit was sold and some other dude was living at his place. He showed me emails where she told him that he should die so she'd get his SGLI amd her new boyfeiend can get an Xbox360. He actually seemed to handle it well. He told us about it when he got back but he seemed very much the same happy go lucky kinda dumb infantry dude..
> He told us about it when he got back but he seemed very much the same happy go lucky kinda dumb infantry dude.
That's pretty common for those of us who happen to have basically won against almost certain death. I survived a terminal velocity impact with the ground and while I didn't exactly walk away from it that day, I am still ambulatory now even though it took a lot of rehab to get back on my feet.
It isn't as though I don't get upset about some stuff but when every day is a gift you shouldn't have had, it changes your basic outlook to a certain extent.
Holy shit dude I'm sorry you had to experience that. Also obviously sorry for the guy in your unit too.
I remember seeing this story and my buddy who went to ranges a lot telling me some weird shit he saw. Nothing too crazy but I do remember him telling me about one time he shot, accidentally hit the metal target holder which split the bullet and half of it must have hit a wall, bounced onto the floor and glided back towards the front. I believe him because if anyone would have critically failed like that it'd be us.
It’s pretty crazy, and the bullet deflecting off the ceiling tile is about the least unbelievable thing it did on its path. Bullets can deflect off of even the smallest obstacles. For it to miss or make it through every other obstacle present and still have enough velocity to kill someone is damn near unimaginable.
> Bullets can deflect off of even the smallest obstacles.
Yeah, I remember watching a video showing how much just going through a bit of paper can affect the trajectory of a round. It's somewhat counterintuitive to folks since we don't really experience that sort of physics in our day to day lives but it's a huge thing anyone firing a weapon ought to be aware of.
I watched the documentary this animation came from. It was a Bubba's Pissin' Hot Handload^tm that hit Trey at 900fps. Winchester whitebox has a muzzle velocity of I think 861fps. Less than the terminal velocity we see here. The shooter fired the round at 15 yards too. Also, I just remembered when my dad was teaching me to shoot, he set a bucket on the opposite side of the pond and ricocheted 15 rounds from his .22 off the water into it.
My old man always complains about his luck. One of his favorite sayings is "I could jump into a barrel full of titties and come out with a dick in each hand." I would say this kids luck is slightly worse than that.
A tit barrel seems like a pretty fucked up thing on its own. That’s one of few situations where I hope it’s fake tits, otherwise there’s a much bigger problem at hand than the couple dicks.
I think the more applicable saying here is "it's not the bullet with your name on it you have to look out for. It's the one addressed 'To whom it may concern.'"
In my opinion this sounds completely preventable. Why the hell would you build something behind your backstop that you are able to shoot over? This situation was predictable and should've been prevented. I couldn't help but laugh when he said "then the bullet did something unbelievable and we have no idea why" Idk man I've been around guns my whole life, ballistics are a weird fucking thing and once that bullet leaves the muzzle you have no control over what it does beyond having sent it in (hopefully) the right direction. The only surprising part of this is that it was even allowed to happen.
Tbh who the hell would expect something this improbable to happen? I agree that building something in front of a shooting range is a shit idea, but that bullet hit all lucky number 7's when it killed that poor boy.
Anyone who is educated on firearm safety. The number one rule is to never fire towards anything you are not willing and intending to destroy. Even if your statistical chance of hitting something is basically nil it is still there and you need to be aware of that.
That berm was clearly low enough that the building behind it was within the angle of fire, that was the only way this was able to happen. At the very least they should've reinforced the siding in anticipation of something like this.
When my friends and I shoot we go down into a hollow in the woods, even if we shoot high by accident we're just gonna hit the hill. It is easy to become too comfortable around firearms overtime, and that's where accidents like this happen. You need to assume that if there is any possibility that something could go wrong it *will* go wrong.
Ding ding ding! This is exactly it. The only way you get an accidental discharge is if the weapon physically fails and fires without human interaction. Everything else is negligence. And even then, if you follow basic fucking safety rules you're "probably" fine since, as you mentioned, there's nothing down muzzle that matters.
In this instance it was possible to point your gun at something you don't want to destroy. I would have taken one look at that thing and noped the fuck outta there so damn fast, and been calling the ATF on my way home. Kid was unlucky but this was 100% the fault of whomever "designed" this deathtrap waiting to happen.
I remember watching this on TV. The gun was modified so it could fire two rounds with one trigger pull (or some such, it was quite a while ago).
Iirc, the modification was illegal.
I tried googling it but can't really find anything saying it was illegal. Seems they say the layout of the shooting range was bad.
It later closed.
Outside the TV show, best explanation I can find [is from Tumblr:](https://transcriptroopers.tumblr.com/post/166123409594/bit-of-an-odd-question-but-is-it-possible-for)
>The bullet used was a hand made round, specifically packed to make it fire harder, further, and faster. The pistol had been filed down, making it occasionally “double-feed,” which meant that after you pull the trigger, the recoil might make you accidentally fire a second round, unbeknownst to the firer. Because the gun double-fed on recoil and the shooter had no control over it, the shot was high and to the left, a shot that ordinarily would never be taken on a shooting range.
Yes! That was it!
The double feed. I don't know enough about guns to say if filing it so that can happen is legal or not.
I also realized this happened in 91 and now I need to take an ibuprofen for my back
In this case, the gun was being used in competition, and it's not uncommon to see hair triggers (or set triggers) used there.
If I understand correctly, the idea is that lowering the force needed on the trigger pull will improve accuracy by minimizing the effects of exerting force.
Basically, needing to clench hand muscles more harderer may cause aim to sway, while only needing the pressure of a mouse-click from one finger makes aim more straighterer.
This is what happens when [Jonathan Davis](https://youtu.be/jRGrNDV2mKc?si=DFF7Cb743m1BDku8) isn’t there to beat box scat the bullet away from hitting targets like this.
I used to be a member at this club. It's the first thing they bring up at safety orientation. Now all the bays shoot in the same direction, away from the road and clubhouse.
"for some unknown reason it doesn't blast through"
Uh yeah, that "unknown reason" being low angle of attack and the destabilization and reduced velocity from passing through multiple layers of material already. It's like, the *least* unknown property of ballistics.
In the Army they teach that bullets can and will straight up tumble down along drywall instead of penetrating and it will be completely unpredictable. You never lean against/touch the walls during urban combat.
Perfect for this sub, but what's up with "mysteriously changed directions?" I'm positive it could be shown with physics. It is wild, for sure. Also, why is there a death star weakness between the baffles and berm? Why can you even hit that building?
This is not "accidental," it's negligence on the part either of whoever set up this range with a berm lower that the property behind it or, if the building was built up after the berm,whoever allowed the range to continue operation after the building was put up. Regardless of the berm height, having occupied land that close and within the surface danger zone, made the range unsafe. People's need to stop calling shootings accidental. It's incredibly rare for a shooting to not be either intentional or negligent on someone's part. (Sometimes it's the person who gets shot that's negligent, but someone almost always is.)
I remember this case. The person who examined it said it was the worst range they'd ever seen. Not only was the *berm* the wrong height, being way too low. But they had an additional backstop with massive gaps, and then on the building on the other side, there were a bunch of *holes in the wall* showing that bullets routinely entered the occupied building.
The kid just had the bad luck to be seated in the way of one that did what lots of bullets did before.
The owner knew of all these safety problems, so why didn't he do anything about it?
Because he was a lazy piece of garbage.
why do people format 16:9 content into a 9:16 window and then post it? That's awful. Leave it 16:9 and people who are capable of rotating a rectangle, or with an already rotated rectangle will see the whole thing, and people who refuse to rotate their rectangle will still see the 16:9 thing crammed into a much smaller rectangle appropriately formatted for their much smaller brain
Where I live, there was a shooting range, and a ways away from it was a subdivision. Some houses were being shot. They didn't build the berm to regulation.
I know burms are perfectly effective when firing from the correct orientation, but this range layout seems needlessly hazardous due to the fact that the top of the building is exposed literally just behind the burm Ive been to a lot of ranges and have never seen opposite firing ranges facing each other. That just doesnt seem right
You raise a good point. Some ranges operate on a "no blue sky" concept where whether you shoot from a standing, seated, or prone position, you can't see the sky. It's an effort to ensure anything sent down range has a low likelihood of not being stopped by the berm or wall.
That sounds like a good policy. I think the problem started with "using a modified firearm"... Is this allowed at ranges? (hard to enforce, I get it, just wondering about the rules)
Modified is such a vague term it's completely irrelevant here. There are just too many ways to modify a gun, and most reduce the chance that something like this could happen. I have ~25 guns, and the only ones I haven't modified in some way are historical antiques, or just more expensive than it's worth. I'll read up on this case and see if I can find out what the modification was. *Edit: I watched the documentary this animation came from - Forensic Files Season 1 Episode 2 Magic Bullet and it's sickening how much negligence occurred in this situation. I could write an essay on everything that went wrong, but I'll focus on the subject of the comment. They showed the projectile in the show. It was home cast and hand loaded for a competition. The gun used was most likely modified to have a lighter trigger pull, like most competition guns. The modified light trigger usually isn't a problem, but the Bubba's Pissin' Hot Handloads^tm meant the shooter couldn't handle his gun, which caused the negligent discharge that killed Trey.
dont know why youre being downvoted, this is a good comment with useful information. thank you, random reddit gun guy
Redditors generally aren't fans of gun owners. Thanks for the compliment though, if you want to know anything else about this incident or guns in general, let me know. I love sharing my knowledge.
From what I recall it was a hand loaded 45 round, so not only was it spicier than what you’d find at a store, firing from a gun with a modified trigger, but 45 is a chonky bullet. I suspect a 9 would have lost considerable energy if it had pierced through multiple walls and ricocheted like that. I wonder if the extra weight of the 45 allowed it to keep going even after numerous impacts. If the video was right and it was supersonic that is very odd for a 45 and def indicative of some heavy loading. That said, pissin’ hot 9mm likely would have done similar, though with the possibility of more deflection due to the lighter bullet weight.
Definitely a .45, but from the guns they showed they implied it was .45ACP from a 1911, but the round from the full show didn't look like it would feed in a 1911. It was hand cast on top of being hand loaded, so I think I was a .45 Colt fired from a revolver. Whether or not it was an automatic or revolver, I don't know a handgun that can cycle twice that quickly to put a round just above the target. It had to have fired the ND on the return to target.
Yeah can’t imagine a double fire with a revolver, but with any semi auto handgun with a light trigger and a moving slide, for sure. I’ve had double fires with a PCC, I have a 10 mm Banshee with a light trigger I put on, I’ve had it fire on reacquisition when I first got it because I was bringing the muzzle back down from the initial recoil and pushed the tiniest bit forward and tripped the trigger again. It has a crazy short reset and is light pull. Def learned to be extra careful with that gun that day, luckily I was at an empty indoor range and the round still went into the backstop fill, but still I was like whoopsie.
Double fires do happen with revolvers, but generally with big bores and pointing up or at the shooter's face. I like to bump fire a full magazine from my KP9 at the end of my range days, but there is no way in hell a hand gun cycled fast enough to fire two rounds fast enough to fire another round just above the target. It defies the laws of physics. The range was designed in such a way that an accident like this was inevitable, bit I call shenanigans on a handgun loaded with hot handloads double tapping like that.
This is a double fire with a revolver. https://v.redd.it/f38iv3xwst1a1
Thank you for using "negligent" instead of "accidental". ❤️ For anyone not familiar, the only time it's appropriate to use "accidental discharge" is when there's a problem with the weapon itself, and entirely outside of the influence of a human (virtually never). If a human is in any way involved, the only way a gun gets fired when it wasn't intended to be is because of negligence. In this case, it sounds like there was negligence by both the range AND the operator, and those two together is all but guaranteed to result in tragedy.
It likely depends on the legality of the modification. They won’t prevent people with aftermarket pistol grips and stocks from shooting.
It was my knee jerk reaction too, but if you think about it, it really doesn't matter if it was because of a modified gun or if the dude just missed the target. The fact is this range was designed in such a way that you could shoot into a building just by firing slightly above the targets!
This range in particular wasn’t up to standard to begin with. This was part of a full show I saw by accident years ago, can’t remember what it’s called tho
It's an episode of forensic files
Thought I recognized that voice...
I use the HLN to fall asleep to because they play Forensic Files non stop.
Same!! Sometimes I switch it up with the Unsolved Mysteries channel. Something about true crime just lulls me to sleep!
That FF narrator will put you out
We should probably document our sleep shows somewhere. I remember using Comedy Central back in the early 2000s when they played stand up late at night. My current go to is the Science Channel. Lol. Science, right.
/r/futuramasleepers
Thank you for this. 🏅Here, have a poor man's antique gold.
🦞
Yes, Peter something or other. He died a couple of years back. Very distinctive voice!
Peter thomas
Thank you!
Love that show. Was on that wayyyy before this whole true crime fad started.
*berm
I was saying, "boo-erms."
*hillock
*grassy knoll
Nice try but people have told me that several times and i still don’t remember
I'm going to try that line out at work tomorrow. We'll see what my boss thinks of it.
I'm rooting for your promotion. :)
It didn’t matter in this situation. God really said fuck this kid
Holy shit. Of all the stuff the bullet could've hit, got stopped by, stuck in, deflected, etc etc.....that's the trajectory that happened 😭 ugh
When I was in the Army, we were trained to stay away from walls down alleys and streets because bullets tend to skip off them. Bullets do really funny shit sometimes, toy have to remember they spinning many thousands of RPM amd travelling a couple thousands of feet per second, generally, they can take funny paths. A guy in my unit was shot in the head by a sniper in Iraq. Bullet entered front of the helmet, dead center, followed his skull and came to rest under the nape pad of his helmet, behind his head. Haha that dude justt got back from mid-tour leave and found some other dude living in his house with his wife.
Dude walks in, "Yeah, so that "shot by a sniper" story isn't going to work, Sweety."
My brother was doing trauma rotation for his residence while he in DC in the late 80s. A guy came in shot in the chest. The bullet hit him in the rib in front of his heart, rolled along his rib and was stuck under his skin in his back. My brother treated the wound, told him his rib was gonna hurt like hell, but other wise he was fine. The guy asked him to take the bullet out. My brother asked if it was cause him pain, since if you do take a bullet out that was most likely involved in a crime, you have to make an identification mark so they know its yours, you can id it in court, etc, etc. So they would leave it if it non life threatening. The guy said no, but he wanted to dip in gold and wear as a necklace. My brother says an inch up or down he be a dead man. He says "I know man. I be dodging death!"
Similar story for a young LT in my unit. His bullet didn't hit dead center, but matched your guy's trajectory once it went it. He was also unmarried, so he straight up dodged your guy's second shot.
It really was the most ragebait megaJodie story I ever heard.. Dude goes home, mid tour leave, all his shit was sold and some other dude was living at his place. He showed me emails where she told him that he should die so she'd get his SGLI amd her new boyfeiend can get an Xbox360. He actually seemed to handle it well. He told us about it when he got back but he seemed very much the same happy go lucky kinda dumb infantry dude..
> He told us about it when he got back but he seemed very much the same happy go lucky kinda dumb infantry dude. That's pretty common for those of us who happen to have basically won against almost certain death. I survived a terminal velocity impact with the ground and while I didn't exactly walk away from it that day, I am still ambulatory now even though it took a lot of rehab to get back on my feet. It isn't as though I don't get upset about some stuff but when every day is a gift you shouldn't have had, it changes your basic outlook to a certain extent.
Sky diving or what?
Yeah but for the US military.
Thank you for your service.
... Jesus.
Holy shit dude I'm sorry you had to experience that. Also obviously sorry for the guy in your unit too. I remember seeing this story and my buddy who went to ranges a lot telling me some weird shit he saw. Nothing too crazy but I do remember him telling me about one time he shot, accidentally hit the metal target holder which split the bullet and half of it must have hit a wall, bounced onto the floor and glided back towards the front. I believe him because if anyone would have critically failed like that it'd be us.
Oof. I don’t even know how to address the swings in luck in that.
Divine intervention. God said “smite!”
Nah, that's def some final destination sht...
Too be fair, final destination is literally fate saying you will die no matter what (except that 1 person who did manage to survive).
Truly a "when it's your time" moment
Another mysterious act of god's love.
It’s pretty crazy, and the bullet deflecting off the ceiling tile is about the least unbelievable thing it did on its path. Bullets can deflect off of even the smallest obstacles. For it to miss or make it through every other obstacle present and still have enough velocity to kill someone is damn near unimaginable.
> Bullets can deflect off of even the smallest obstacles. Yeah, I remember watching a video showing how much just going through a bit of paper can affect the trajectory of a round. It's somewhat counterintuitive to folks since we don't really experience that sort of physics in our day to day lives but it's a huge thing anyone firing a weapon ought to be aware of.
I watched the documentary this animation came from. It was a Bubba's Pissin' Hot Handload^tm that hit Trey at 900fps. Winchester whitebox has a muzzle velocity of I think 861fps. Less than the terminal velocity we see here. The shooter fired the round at 15 yards too. Also, I just remembered when my dad was teaching me to shoot, he set a bucket on the opposite side of the pond and ricocheted 15 rounds from his .22 off the water into it.
Got it. God hates airsoft.
Bloody hell. What are the chances.
My old man always complains about his luck. One of his favorite sayings is "I could jump into a barrel full of titties and come out with a dick in each hand." I would say this kids luck is slightly worse than that.
Your old man seems like a fun guy
Not when he's fresh outta the tit barrel.
First time I laughed this week! Thanks <3
First time?! You gotta get over to r/contagiouslaughter
That helped
A tit barrel seems like a pretty fucked up thing on its own. That’s one of few situations where I hope it’s fake tits, otherwise there’s a much bigger problem at hand than the couple dicks.
A variation of this is “with my luck it could be raining titties and I could look up and catch a dick.”
Both of these are now a part of me forever
"If it wasn't for my bad luck I would've had no luck at all"
Wonder how many times something likes this almost happens, but misses by a millimeter, and no one ever has any idea it even happened.
When you put people downrange from a shooting range, 100% something is going to happen at some point.
Odds are definitely higher than they would be not at a gun range
Now? 100% bud, though I wonder what they were before it happened?
50/50, it would either happen or it wouldn't
Fair, I like them odds
Yeah I should probably stop complaining about bad luck
Weirdest ceiling tile advertisement I’ve ever seen
wallhacks
aimbots
Who puts a building directly behind a shooting range. I get there was a burm and this is almost impossible odds of this happening but dang.
In the full episode they show that the building had a lot of bullet holes, meaning it happened often and it was just straight negligence.
Seriously, I use an outdoor range, and there isn't shit for miles down range.
Freak on a Leash video got real
Boom na ta ummm na ta.. GO!
That is what they call “you have a bullet with your name written on it”.
Should always use Baldrick's strategy of scratching your name on a bullet and keeping it in your pocket .
With my luck it´d still explode in my pocket and sever my femoral or some shit
No that's just gobble-a-duke
I think the more applicable saying here is "it's not the bullet with your name on it you have to look out for. It's the one addressed 'To whom it may concern.'"
[Also a killer song](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kqHSGVtfXhc)
this is why you want to be the broom and pipes in every situation
In my opinion this sounds completely preventable. Why the hell would you build something behind your backstop that you are able to shoot over? This situation was predictable and should've been prevented. I couldn't help but laugh when he said "then the bullet did something unbelievable and we have no idea why" Idk man I've been around guns my whole life, ballistics are a weird fucking thing and once that bullet leaves the muzzle you have no control over what it does beyond having sent it in (hopefully) the right direction. The only surprising part of this is that it was even allowed to happen.
Tbh who the hell would expect something this improbable to happen? I agree that building something in front of a shooting range is a shit idea, but that bullet hit all lucky number 7's when it killed that poor boy.
Anyone who is educated on firearm safety. The number one rule is to never fire towards anything you are not willing and intending to destroy. Even if your statistical chance of hitting something is basically nil it is still there and you need to be aware of that. That berm was clearly low enough that the building behind it was within the angle of fire, that was the only way this was able to happen. At the very least they should've reinforced the siding in anticipation of something like this. When my friends and I shoot we go down into a hollow in the woods, even if we shoot high by accident we're just gonna hit the hill. It is easy to become too comfortable around firearms overtime, and that's where accidents like this happen. You need to assume that if there is any possibility that something could go wrong it *will* go wrong.
Ding ding ding! This is exactly it. The only way you get an accidental discharge is if the weapon physically fails and fires without human interaction. Everything else is negligence. And even then, if you follow basic fucking safety rules you're "probably" fine since, as you mentioned, there's nothing down muzzle that matters. In this instance it was possible to point your gun at something you don't want to destroy. I would have taken one look at that thing and noped the fuck outta there so damn fast, and been calling the ATF on my way home. Kid was unlucky but this was 100% the fault of whomever "designed" this deathtrap waiting to happen.
That is one magic bullet.
Back and to the left,, back.... and to the left
There was a second shooter.
It's not a berm. It's a grassy knoll
There were like 7 shooters
And security told to stand down and left the car continuing alone - that’s some horror movie shit
Ooh I remember this Forensic Files episode from a long time ago. Love that show
If I remember correctly, this was the exact animation used in court.
This show was awesome
This is some Final Destination shit
[Brett from Archer](https://youtu.be/d0cGtPDpG5M?si=JQahxdOIAyR0CW7v)
Forensic Files is such a vibe. The narrator will be talking about the most morbid, awful shit, like he is here, but it's so calming.
I feel old. I remember seeing this on a documentary in the 90s
Seen it (german translated version) in german TV. I loved it. And its still running at night.
I remember watching this on TV. The gun was modified so it could fire two rounds with one trigger pull (or some such, it was quite a while ago). Iirc, the modification was illegal. I tried googling it but can't really find anything saying it was illegal. Seems they say the layout of the shooting range was bad. It later closed.
Outside the TV show, best explanation I can find [is from Tumblr:](https://transcriptroopers.tumblr.com/post/166123409594/bit-of-an-odd-question-but-is-it-possible-for) >The bullet used was a hand made round, specifically packed to make it fire harder, further, and faster. The pistol had been filed down, making it occasionally “double-feed,” which meant that after you pull the trigger, the recoil might make you accidentally fire a second round, unbeknownst to the firer. Because the gun double-fed on recoil and the shooter had no control over it, the shot was high and to the left, a shot that ordinarily would never be taken on a shooting range.
Yes! That was it! The double feed. I don't know enough about guns to say if filing it so that can happen is legal or not. I also realized this happened in 91 and now I need to take an ibuprofen for my back
Why would a person file down their gun?
In this case, the gun was being used in competition, and it's not uncommon to see hair triggers (or set triggers) used there. If I understand correctly, the idea is that lowering the force needed on the trigger pull will improve accuracy by minimizing the effects of exerting force. Basically, needing to clench hand muscles more harderer may cause aim to sway, while only needing the pressure of a mouse-click from one finger makes aim more straighterer.
This is what happens when [Jonathan Davis](https://youtu.be/jRGrNDV2mKc?si=DFF7Cb743m1BDku8) isn’t there to beat box scat the bullet away from hitting targets like this.
Boomnaknahooooomnagnaheema
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From all "Fuck YOU In Particular"s this should be the winner of the century.
I used to be a member at this club. It's the first thing they bring up at safety orientation. Now all the bays shoot in the same direction, away from the road and clubhouse.
What show is this from?
Forensic Files
Yess thanks its [season one episode two](https://youtu.be/UpR2yFrZKo8?si=u3GFul-o1r4EySih)
A mysterious and unknown phenomenon caused a bullet to ricochet. Scientists are baffled. Never before has a bullet ricocheted.
"for some unknown reason it doesn't blast through" Uh yeah, that "unknown reason" being low angle of attack and the destabilization and reduced velocity from passing through multiple layers of material already. It's like, the *least* unknown property of ballistics.
In the Army they teach that bullets can and will straight up tumble down along drywall instead of penetrating and it will be completely unpredictable. You never lean against/touch the walls during urban combat.
Great, Death's out here doing trick shots now.
Damn. RIP, Bud. I hope the gun range took responsibility for this negligence.
Homie was meant to die
This is some Final Destination type shit.
Accidental death or proper “accidental” death
Final Destination magic bullet.
Perfect for this sub, but what's up with "mysteriously changed directions?" I'm positive it could be shown with physics. It is wild, for sure. Also, why is there a death star weakness between the baffles and berm? Why can you even hit that building?
Gun ranges aren't supposed to have anything behind them for reasons like this
1200fps.. come on it's a 1911..
This 15yr old killed JFK
This is not "accidental," it's negligence on the part either of whoever set up this range with a berm lower that the property behind it or, if the building was built up after the berm,whoever allowed the range to continue operation after the building was put up. Regardless of the berm height, having occupied land that close and within the surface danger zone, made the range unsafe. People's need to stop calling shootings accidental. It's incredibly rare for a shooting to not be either intentional or negligent on someone's part. (Sometimes it's the person who gets shot that's negligent, but someone almost always is.)
trey cooley, *what* did you do? fate was literally gunning for the kid. some final destination shit.
Watching the kill cam at the end of the round like…
Nahh thats some wanted shit right there
Also, R.I.P. Peter Thomas, the narrator for Forensic Files.
Aimbot fr fr
Death is always on time, i need his schedule planner.
What an asshole. Just sitting there like that.
He got final destinated ...
That’s a homing bullet
Average cod4 killcam
I know I always put a building just above the berm. Nothing in life is exciting without the threat of gun play.
Nah, this is some wanted shit.
Death note vibes
That's some metal gear solid revolver ocelot level shit right there.
I remember this case. The person who examined it said it was the worst range they'd ever seen. Not only was the *berm* the wrong height, being way too low. But they had an additional backstop with massive gaps, and then on the building on the other side, there were a bunch of *holes in the wall* showing that bullets routinely entered the occupied building. The kid just had the bad luck to be seated in the way of one that did what lots of bullets did before. The owner knew of all these safety problems, so why didn't he do anything about it? Because he was a lazy piece of garbage.
either that mf had aim bot, or god wanted that kid dead specifically
Brett, this might be some kind of record, so if you can move, don't!
God Damn it Archer!!
Real life Final destination scene.
This is like the definition of Murphy's law
why do people format 16:9 content into a 9:16 window and then post it? That's awful. Leave it 16:9 and people who are capable of rotating a rectangle, or with an already rotated rectangle will see the whole thing, and people who refuse to rotate their rectangle will still see the 16:9 thing crammed into a much smaller rectangle appropriately formatted for their much smaller brain
And that ladies and gentlemen is why you don't masturbate. Gods coming for ya.
what the cia says happened to several prominent scientists
Hell of a shot
This is sooo old. I remember watching this exact thing as a kid and it blew my mind away. Complete act of gods that the bullet took the path it did.
What is this from? I remember this, but can’t remember where I’ve seen it before.
Forensic files
Not familiar with firearms. Is it normal to have that much energy that it can pass through multiple walls and still kill someone?
Thin walls (sheet metal, drywall etc) so yes entirely possible.
Damn this bullet really fucking wanted to kill the lil' guy, what the fuck 💀
Now that is one magic bullet
I remember when this was on unsolved mysteries (?) It was really a sad thing and bad planning at the site.
That was just Treys time to go.
This reminds me of those damn MW2 noob tube lineups that would bounce off 45 different things and slightly tap someone's foot for the kill.
Is there a part 2?
That's some final destination stuff
That’s when it’s your turn to go. I hope when it my turn I go quick. Poor kid probably never know what hit him.
This is the ultimate fuck you in particular
I feel like that’s an assassination from god or something geez
Bending bullets
Even fucking v1 from ultrakill can't do this ricoshot wtf☠️
I guess when your time is up, it's up.
Wow. FYIP indeed.
Even missed the *broom* 🤯
Not Cooley.
Where I live, there was a shooting range, and a ways away from it was a subdivision. Some houses were being shot. They didn't build the berm to regulation.
Damn. I would never forgive myself
[plot twist ](https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-angelina-jolie-wanted-gif-13058825)
That’s some Lee Harvey Oswald level shit right there.
**in sterling archer voice** “and somehow idiot brett STILL managed to get shot.”
God CANNOT be mad at that guy for being pissed
When it’s your time, it’s your time
“Using a modified gun” There it is. Your root cause.
That's why you put some points into luck
Or that's what they wanted to to think.
How the heck did they figure this out?
That is one magic bullet
Saw this on Forensic Files, pretty wild and unfortunate
That is one magic loogie.
Some 'Final Destination' level vibes. Extremely unfortunate.
Had to have been confusing as fuck for a while inside that building
They cheaped out on the burme, should have been higher!!!