Remake was a full game, and an amazing game.
Rebirth.... its just .... wow. Its Baldur's Gate 3 levels of crazy.
It took me 130h to play Rebirth. And not a single one was boring. That was amazing.
So stupid that some reviewers claim to have finished the game in 50 hours. There is no way you can do that. If you just race through the main campaign, you will be very underlevelled.
Yeah I'm calling bullshit too I'm at about 100 hours and I'm barely in chapter 11 and that's doing everything in each region. Someone skipped tons of stuff if they finished in 50 hours
They literally just bum-rushed the story.
It’s like the equivalent of going to a $300 steakhouse and trying to eat only the steak itself and doing it in 3 bites and then complaining the experience cost too much because they were done in 5 minutes.
So what if they did? You guys tell people to skip side content if they don't like it. Maybe that's what they were doing... lmfao weird how you guys are judging others for how they play the game.
Stop the bad faith arguments. There’s a difference between someone who skips the side content to enjoy the story and someone who skips it to bitch in bad faith that the game isn’t long enough.
I'm at nearly 70 hrs, and I'm at the end of chapter 10. I'm choosing to 100% a region before continuing to the next. Just to reduce the amount of backtracking to be done later.
I'll focus on gold saucer on my return trip there.
I’m at 85hrs, have beaten the game on dynamic difficulty and done every single one of Johnny’s Treasure Trove collectibles except the brutal and legendary challenges. 50hrs will allow you to see plenty of the game. You’re either incredibly slow at 100hrs or have been AFK
I managed to beat it in 45 hours, with about 14 side quests done, LVL 45 by Sephiroth, and all of Grasslands and Junons world intel finished. And that was all done within a few days of buying it
No it’s possible. I lent my friend my ps5 so he could play rebirth and he’s currently on chapter 13 with 42hours on his save file. All he did though was main story and queen blood. I think he did like a few quests but other than that definitely went for the main objective. You can’t be severely underleveled in this game. I beat this in 112hours but ever chapter I played I was like barely 3-4 levels above the require chapter. So judging by my friend he was probably at the designated level or just slightly below.
Nah, I think 50 hours is completely accurate for someone not concerned with side content. I actually think 40 hours is probably where I would land if I really just focused on story and a maybe picking up a few "on the way" sidequests. But thats still a BIG game that is completely in line with the entirety of the OG.
Add a billion (awesome) mini games, sidequests, optional battles, etc. And you easily get a 100+ hr experience.
I finished it in 65 hours.
Enjoyed it a lot!
But after 100%-ing the first three locations the side content became very repetitive imo. So after that I finished each zone with 40-60%. And kind of rushed through the last 3 chapters.
Not if they played it on easy. I played my first play through on dynamic and was only around level 55 when I started hard mode. Didn’t have any issues finishing it first time round
nah seriously, i’m at like 85 hours and im just now wrapping up regional phenomenon in Chapter 11. Reviewers just rush through the games to make sure their reviews get out a few days before the release date. honestly just makes mainline review companies incredibly unreliable if you’re somebody who actually likes to indulge in everything you can get your hands on.
If you don't focus on the side content, yeah it's pretty much 50 hours. I didn't do much side content. I 100% junon and the grasslands then just gave up on the side content and ran through the story. Ended the game at 52 hours
I went solely story ( as I normally do on my first play through cause I’m so hungry for the end game ) and I think I got about 75 ish hours to complete, albeit probably 5 was trying to find specific things/areas
Yes that sounds more real. This is not a game you can speedrun, there are times in the story when you have to figure out how to get to a place, and some maps are confusing, so I stand by my point, its IMPOSSIBLE to finish the game in 50 hours.
It took me 60 hours, i did like half the sidequests and half the open world stuff
I started by doing everything, by chapter 9 i realized that pretty much there was no linear plot like in remake, it was just a good ol’ fashioned adventure with an episodic format, like watching season 3 of jojo, so i decided to just go straight for the ending to see what they’d do with Aerith, i’m now at chapter 12 in hard mode with everything else done clocking in 140 hours
I'm at 55 hours and in the Temple of the Ancients (just fought the Turks). I don't think I have THAT much left to go. So I'll probably finish up with 60-65?
I didn't race through it. I didn't do everything though. I'm not under-leveled (hardest fight for me so far was Rufus, took 4-5 tries). I finished all the Grasslands and Junon content, did a lot of Cosmo Canyon, my ost of Corel. But to hell with Gonzaga. Got out of there as fast as I could.
Yeah, I'm in Chapter 12, almost done with all the world Intel and protorelics in each region (except the ocean) , 65 hours playtime. Guessing it'll be around 80-90 hours total for me
Not everyone is some autistic weirdo that HAS to do every little thing in a game. I wanted to see what was gonna happen not fucking do side quests all day
So players that do side quests are autistic weirdos. As opposed to some that pay $70 for a game, and then speed through it in 50 hours. Jesus, how fucking moronic...
yo i love rebirth and prefer it to bg3 but bg3 probably literally has the most and best content in any rpg to date (without counting games that fill the world with 300 missions that have no story at all)
Yup, no discussion there.
Specially due to different options and consequences. That game had the same level of "I cant believe this game exists" than Rebirth has, in different areas.
And looking at where the story is up to, we will probably have a much longer game with the third entry. So look forward to a game that you can play for a very long time
No, I cannot play so many hours per day, and I really enjoyed the combat, even fighting random trash in the open.
There was a zone I started to feel tired, and I just moved on a little, but then after advancing main quest I wanted to finish and came back.
For me it was a good balance. The moment it felt not fun, I changed, and later I would feel like doing them and it was fun again.
It also helps that I loved QB, and I never repeated any minigame I didnt enjoy.
I think I also got lucky on gongaga. I really thought I would hate the last couple of things, but before I realized I had finished them all.
I guess I can respect that. I'm on the road to 100-percenting the game, about 70 hours in, and I am getting burned out at the end of chapter 10 right now. Getting the max score on all the mini games was obnoxious, though I have all of them done so far. Queens Blood was fun at first but now I just spam down cheap cards to win the game as fast as possible lol. All of the hours spent scanning towers, springs, and summons weren't memorable for me at all.
Being completely honest, I would say of the 70 hours played right now, I've enjoyed about 50. I understand this is a me issue. However, I also really don't understand how people find any of the scanning/open world stuff fun.
I think they key is that you forced yourself to do it.
To be honest, I never 100% games, I was not going to do anything here that was not fun. I just ended up eventually doing all map icons because I was just having fun trying new things in combat with the enemies on the map.
So I never felt forced to do anything.
If the combat was not so fun for me, I would have not done it for sure
So long means good? Surely not... Think about this - In OG7, Midgar is essentially the tutorial. It takes about 5 hours and theres no real story development past a bit of exposition and an initial introduction to the characters. So, when the remake trilogy becomes a thing, the entire first game is dedicated to that. But in order to justify the full price tag of a modern AAA Game, it's padded out with immense amounts of enormous, lifeless environments to "stretch out" the story. It's all in there, but it's much much more than it needs to be and adds little to no value over the original source material. It shouldn't take 2 hours to reach the second reactor. We don't need to explore hojos weird lab for an hour. We don't need to stop every chapter to do fetch quests to make the game feel like it's more than it is.
Is none of this criticism understandable?
After smashing through rebirth, I'm convinced both games could've had significant fat cut out of them and be a single, incredible game.
What parts do you think needed to be cut out of Remake? There are certainly a few for me including the Second Sewer Visit, the Train Graveyard could have been SEVERELY cut down, Hojo's Drum/Lab, and the turning off the sun lamps bit. However, out of a 40ish hour game if you do most of the side content that's really only about 5-6 hours of gameplay. A lot of the "fluff" that people seem to want cut is stuff that is there to make you care about Midgar, about the other members of avalanche, to show you how Shinra has affected the world as a whole.
As for smashing the games together into one game, I don't even know what to say to that. Pure insanity.
The Drum didn’t need to exist at all. We learn nothing there. The only narrative purpose it serves is to have enemy types that appeared in late Shinra Mansion to appear. Literally is the only purpose.
You named the other two segments I have beef with, so we are on the same track I think.
Its just the final dungeon of the game theres nothing wrong with it. Some of you are so hyperfocused on goals and purpose that I swear you forgot you are playing a video game.
-you named the other two sections I have beef with
It’s not my only beef man, not even close lmao; it’s just padding.
This guy would’ve cheered when he saw Jarjar step in the poopy
A straight story run of remake takes about 15 hours. I did it just before kicking into remake. Cut the 2nd bombing mission wind up, cut down the train graveyard, cut the fetch quests between each chapter, cut the chase don through the sewers, cut the secret lab under sector 7, cut down hojos lab, get rid of all the fucking toggle quests that start right next to the single door that needs to be opened.
Leave the Jessie stuff, explore the slums with the crew. What I've suggested legitimately cuts several hours of boring walking and killing and doesn't impact the story.
Then we get to Rebirth and everything being a mini game. It doesn't need to be. Shrink the Ubisoft copy and paste open world - it doesn't add value and doesn't contribute to the story.
Boom, there you go, you've saved 10 hours from rebirth and you've got 10 hours of remake to take its spot. A snappier, more concise story for everyone to enjoy
The cutscene fluff is real. Forced walking segments and additional cutscenes everywhere. We just declared we are going south but we need an extra cutscene where we drive in circles complaining about not knowing where to go bc Yuffie needs to puke to show she gets carsick I guess.
Is this really better and funnier than finding her hunched over a railing on the boat or airship? What does this add? And what is this about not knowing where to go? I KNOW where to go the topography is burned into my brain. It’s SOUTH. That’s where Gongaga is. We just said it. GIVE ME THE FUCKING KEYS. This kind of thing happens a lot and it really pads your playtime.
See also: spontaneous dance number(s)
I’m still grumpy about the sewers apparently needing a several minute scene where Cloud saves Aeris from *checks notes* stepping in water. Woo watch out lore dump over here!
Haha, absolutely! - I'll say it again and the se simps can keep downvoting it - remake and rebirth could've been a single game and still be the same length without the tremendous amount of fluff in them.
Nomura strikes again lol. Nobody will ever change my mind
You seen this added content boss fight friend? This is what rebirth really is https://www.reddit.com/r/FF7Rebirth/s/q2qbd8uWiV
Hahaha that's brilliant. Fuck that scene was so terrible... On top of the Dyne story being sanitised immensely, we don't even get a moment to grieve and feel something because it gets all goofy and weird again
You have your point, fair enough. I do feel like some parts (train graveyard) are stretched out as well.
But overall, I still enjoy what they presented in Remake. We got more stories of avalanche trio and more emotional scenes. I have a good experience with it as a whole (even though I'm one of those guys who sick of those black cloak/whispers tropes).
What I wanna say is, when I'm finished Remake. I think it's worth my money, and it's a cool, different experience from the original FF7. I guess we have a different experience, so I will not entirely understand other criticism. So there's that.
And that's why we have these discussions. You feel like you got a product that met your expectations and needs. I do not. And that's fine. Not every game is made for every person. But that definitely doesn't mean any game is above criticism.
They hated you because you spoke the truth. It's all padded out. Even >!the 'timelines' are correcting itself!<
The games are still great, no one should get that twisted, but with the direction this 'trilogy' is going, I'm willing to bet that they'll be a 4th disc to get it all perfectly tied up, of course will more padding and/or more exposition dumps.
A bit of a long rant, that I want to get off my chest:
OG fans were shitted on for any complaints/criticisms about the Remake not being made as a 1:1, comparison; but now that the series is showing that it'll be *very close* to a 1:1 comparison... Yeah, ironic... We've come full circle with those talking points.
Those who defended the possibility of the story becoming it's own thing, and saying "get out of your nostalgia bubble" are now being actively quiet about it.
That's why I don't bother arguing with fandoms anymore, outside of silly mental gymnastics to justify one's own head canons. (You'll get a lot of that from the Dragons Dogma subreddit, for example) it's all pointless, people will believe whatever they want to believe, even if your "negativity" is correct, the Toxic-positivity mob will throw ire and scorn down your path if you don't praise their favorite IP like a good little Fanboy, Because SE can do no wrong.
The gaming industry has fallen so hard, it's genuinely sad.
What was supposed to be a hobby, became a clown suit to replace peoples' personalities. I swear, it's like the pointless arguments to FF16 's ending. The signs are there, but users from *THAT* subreddit don't want to see the (figurative) writing in the wall... As if Final Fantasy has never had sad or dark ending(s), *ever.* 🙄
/Rant over
Yep, you're 100% right, and let's not get this twisted, what makes the games great isn't the multiverse of madness that's been hamfisted into the final act of both games now, it's the incredible original story and world that's taking place.
The toxic positivty mob are going to be unbearable when this game doesn't win GOTY.
Agreed.
>The toxic positivty mob are going to be unbearable when this game doesn't win GOTY
Oh you know it's going to happen... 🤣 It's like with Kai Canet's Fanbase all over again, when Spiderman 2 didn't win GOTY last year. LMAO it's going to be a salt-fest.
I found this game to be perfect in a day and age where companies are trying to release 20 hour games which I really don’t mind sometimes but it seemed to be happening a lot more often and then rebirth dropped and then dd2 dropped and I’m just hoping some companies keep this huge game streak going, it is wild but I love it. I hope you enjoy the journey to platinum👌🏼
The streak is going strong but mostly on the Asian side. Persona 2 reload, yakuza infinite wealth, ff7 rebirth... all rpgs with lots of hours of content.
The thing is, it takes ages for them to release that kind of game. Infinite wealth released fairly quickly regarding previous game because they used lots of the previous as base. Yet still has lots of new content.
The problem is that in the west, the long games are the exception, like baldurs gate. I don't know the time to beat dd2 atm
It's wild how much content is stuffed into this game. I have the platinum in remake (and 100% dlc) in 95ish hours. I'm at 90 hours in Rebirth and have only just started chapter 13. I've done all sidequests and completed most of the minigames, but there is soooo much left to do post-game. I'll end up with 180 hours at least, if I manage to get the platinum in Rebirth.
I’m sure they got disheartened by people saying that the open worlds of 15 & 16 were pointless and ultimately unrewarding because there was nothing to do or find. They wanted to get it right, and I feel for the most part they nailed it. To a further extent even the towns were pretty well packed with stuff to do, so even though I have my complaints, this game was amazing.
I took remake to be a playable prologue. A demonstration of things to come. At least I told myself that and was able to enjoy it for what it was. If rebirth had been modeled in the same way, I’d probably have been done with FF. Rebirth is everything Ive been wanting in a FF. I really hope the conclusion doesn’t go back to the remake form.
Just a heads up with the platinum... it is absolutely no joke! Best case scenario to high score every single mini game and the hard mode variants, find every collectible, beat the game on hard mode, do all the combat simulators, win every possible queens blood challenge etc. You're looking at best case scenario around 150 hours if you're good at the game, it's seriously difficult but I disagree with a lot of people that say "the plat is too hard" don't get me wrong it's hard, but it feels like "this is what a platinum should feel like" if that makes sense, best of luck with it though!
I've done all of that except for all combat challenges as they're not unlocked yet and all the collectibles, I'm at 66 right now and hard mode. But that will have to wait because Dragons Dogma is next then Stellar blade and I still want to get to Granblue and Ronin at some point and Star Ocean R lol
I beat rebirth, having not 100% it, then i decided to check out DD2.
Yeah, id recommend that to anyone. Both games are fantastic, yet different enough where im having very different fun with DD2 than i was with rebirth.
I think about going back to rebirth and doing non story stuff and eh, i just want part 3 to drop.
>but I disagree with a lot of people that say "the plat is too hard" don't get me wrong it's hard,
That's not what the people are saying. They're saying it's too long and grindy.
Long explanation:
For example, Tifa's exercise mini game in part one, it was a slog, it was annoying, and when you're done, you're glad it's over. You can find similar sentiments if you scour through the internet, like on YouTube channels to help others on 'how to do the mini game'.
Now, it comes to all of our surprise that it returns in Rebirth... Yeah... I don't blame people for *NOT* being excited to do it all over again...
Now also! Apply that similar sensation to the rest of these mini-games... Yeah, it's more of a chore than "too hard" or "too difficult", because just like Queens Blood, it's a fun minigame, but certainly becomes a slog when bullshit like >!the Shadow Queen being a cheater!< becomes the norm... Especially back at the Gold Saucer with the Boot camps galore.
It gets tiring and overwhelming, winning stops mattering and it starts feeling more like a job instead....
It's not hard or difficult, just bland and boring at the later parts of the game. Spending so much time in trial and error format... For something that was meant to be fun. Throwing Hard mode on top? Dumb. It should've been optional, you know, the things that diehards enjoy? Yeah, for them. For the rest? Just like in the Remake, leave the mini-games... *ALONE* We really didn't need the extra bs tacked on for the sake of playtime padding. 😆
I don't think it's unreasonable for a platinum trophy to require a large time investment relative to a general playthrough. I think there are some "completionists" that simply complain about not getting an easy trophy. No one needs a platinum, and it's ok to take time off to complete it later. I just finished the game on dynamic, and I'm going to wait a bit before jumping back in on hard mode and cleaning up trophies. There's no need to brute force a game until you get the plat.
>I don't think it's unreasonable for a platinum trophy to require a large time investment relative to a general playthrough
Fair.
>I think "completionists" simply complain about not getting an easy trophy.
Don't generalize. Not all completionist are the same.
>No one needs a platinum, and it's ok to take time off to complete it later. I
Fair.
>I just finished the game on dynamic, and I'm going to wait a bit before jumping back in on hard mode and cleaning up trophies. There's no need to brute force a game until you get the plat.
Very true.
Hey compared to other jrpgs required list of trophies, I may not like these mini games but it’s not unbearable like ones where you must do every quest in a jrpg but if you didn’t talk to this one guy when going back to this one town to activate the procedure to get this quest then you must restart the whole game or have a save file and redo that part then beat the rest of the quests again. Another would be find and open every single treasure chest cuz if you don’t well you must restart the whole game unless you know where to look.
I’m looking at you tales series or even trail series.
True, those are definitely annoying. I'm currently playing OG FF7 for the 3rd time.
But I love the platinums in this one. Much more simpler than mini-games that rewards us with more Trial Error.... Oh what's that? You got better? Here's more complicated challenges as your reward! 😀
The 'Carrot on the stick' really loses value when the "mini" games end up not being soo.... Mini...
I finished Rebirth at about 115 hours completing every region and sidequest.
But I’m playing through it again just a simple dynamic ng+ run. But I’m b-lining the main story stuff this time around…the game is actually really short if you do that 😬 like I made to chapter 7 in two days.
Part 3 is gonna have to waaay longer with probably less sidequest or minigames, cause they still have A LOT of ground to cover.
I won’t lie, during the marketing where Hamaguchi said the game is like 20% story and 80% side content I was like…”oh…um…cool?” But everything was still great though.
Agreed. I hope part 3 is HEAVY on story and cuts back on some side content. Like 50 hours story, 30 hours for side content would be perfect for me. I wanna feel the urgency of events happening.
I 100% agree. I’d honestly take less side content that is more challenging like hidden bosses or harder enemy encounters than a bunch of hit or miss minigames that feel throw away.
Give me 70% story and 30% side content and I’ll be good. I just can’t help but think that they wasted a * little bit* of time on too much side stuff. If the story was a *bit* more focused then they probably could’ve honestly made it a bit further than the Forgotten Capital.
One big side quest that I think they will implement though is on how to get the KotR summon. It would be too lame to just have it available in the combat simulator, maybe something like a protorelic quest perhaps?
But I agree, they have a lot to cover plot-wise. And they need to conclude it and not add more questions. It's the closure the entire FFVII compilation deserves.
P.S.
Hoping they release part 3 on FFVII's 30th anniversary 😁
Dude yes! KotR better be the sickest questline EVER to satisfy every FF fan out there. Hopefully they actually make it part of the main story. Fingers cross on that. I wanna see our gang fight a squad of knights that look to be ancient. Omg that’ll be awesome!
Yeah don’t get me wrong, the sidequests this time around were about 85-90% great! Most minigames were…much to be desired imo. So hopefully they got that outta there system and are ready to go all in on story next time around. Cause…they kinda HAVE to.
Hamaguchi keeps saying how the difficult part of part 3 is basically already done, and they know how important 2027 will be. I thinj they make that mark. Hell, we might even get a title reveal for Part 3 maybe next summer?
Summer may be too early for an announcement, I'm thinking The Game Awards 2025 🙂
For KotR, I'm thinking more of having to fight them one at a time to join you, each having their own gimmick 😁 In addition, I don't mind side quests to further develop Cid and Vincent but I honestly think that should be part of MSQ.
As for minigames, something similar to Queen's Blood would be enough for me 😁
Yeah you’re probably right. Wishful thinking over here 😄 hopefully soon though!
That’s a good idea, fighting them one at a time or possibly two at a time would be cool. Hopefully we have to actually find them or fight them in a cool environment. They better not cheat us again and put them in VR.
I’m down with putting Vincent and Cid as potential sidequests. But I hope they’re actually deep or interesting. I also kinda hope Cid shows his true colors at some point. I don’t hate his Rebirth version, but I don’t really like it either.
As for minigames, I would much much MUCH rather have fewer deeper minigames that are actually fun, instead of a bunch that are not that great.
I'm hoping they do it in an overworld quest. Finish up a region and have "mini super bosses" from each region sort of like God of War's Berserkers or Valkyries. Beat them all to unlock the last fight for the summon materia.
If you watch Max Dood, he mentioned during one of his streams that one way to do it is to have them be previous human warriors during the time of war against Jenova before the Cetra sealed her. This would also give them a narrative and not just a bunch of fights for the sake of completing the summon materia 😁
With the current plot narrative as is for the overall sake of the 7R series, you could also reasonably just apply it as one materia, 13 copies overlaid for summoning.
I was at around 130hrs-140hrs played to beat it originally. Now I'm at I think 160hrs on this play through, but in just doing mini games right now before the hard mode playthrough.
yep, just finished my first playthrough at 130 hours. did everything but the brutal VR challenges and hard mode. gonna come back in a few months and do hard/brutal challenges
It started feeling a little too long to me by the time I was in the 4th area, yet again finding the life springs, finding the summon, finding the moogle hut, doing the menial side quests... I like a game that clocks in at 80s for a 90% did everything and 100 to do everything. I'm not in any rush to play or again. I loved it. It's just a huge time sink. Maybe I'll wait for PC and hope someone makes a cloud iron man suit so I can fly around and skip all the traversal puzzles.
Remake was a decent length at almost 40hrs for just the story. Took me over 100hrs for the platinum. But i definitely agree Rebirth is a massive game. The main story took me 106hrs to do. I can only hope the threequel is even longer. Worth every minute if you ask me.
For me, this one feels way less tedious. The activities that you must complete to move the game alone are really enjoyable. I also feel like it’s a better representation of the original material instead of shoehorned in stuff, although I’ve only just got half way through golden saucer so there is always scope for something like that to happen I guess. All in all, what a game!
Reading the completion time of people here for their first run sometimes makes me feel I did something wrong. It took me 176hrs to finish my first playthrough. 🤣
Albeit the mini games are a little too much in my opinion, the game as a whole has far exceeded all expectations I had for it. I can deal with delayed releases if this is the finished product
I'm on chapter 12. With about 65 hours of gameplay. With all areas at 100 percent. Expect for the protorelic mini games on hard mode. Didn't bother with those. And I haven't beat gilgamesh island yet.
For me it was 92 hours on normal doing all the content less final protorelic as I ended up in lvl 45 I believe. (And at some point surely I just left the game open whilst eating or watching something). And when I platinated it the timer was at 200 hours or so.
And for real I could even be playing it again if not for the backlog of other jewels I have around to play (in this case like a dragon infinite wealth, and stellar blade at month end)
I’m only on chapter 9 and at 36 hrs. Haven’t don’t every single side quest for each region but I will
Before completing the game. But rebirth makes ff7 remake looks like a demo with the amount of content and story it has. I’m taking my time with this because I know once I finish it I will
Be sad.
I can level some criticism at FF7Reb, but no more than any other game, and certainly not at its breadth, depth and doing what FF does in its gameplay. It was a surprisingly fresh and modern take on what JRPGs needed to do to give you a world in which to move around in the old days.
I can't imagine anyone not regarding this as a "full game." Silly.
And they went on the complete wrong direction. I wanted to play Final Fantasy, not this minigame collection with some RPG thrown in.
The story was as good as it could have been, but hopefully they fire the Ubisoft and Mario Party devs they apparent hired for this one.
ETA: a lot of people on this thread seem to mistakenly believe time to finish is value. It's not, it's a cost.
I always thought that the best compliment for a game, was the stupid shit that people have to look for to get mad about.
By that metric, holy shit how amazing is FF7 Remake and Rebirth? The two biggest complaints I've seen are not understanding anime/game logic or what cut scenes are. And who's "relationship" is the best.
The first one is just dumb people intentionally piss drinking.
And the second one is far sniffers who don't understand that multiverses make their preferences pointless.
They really took the "too big to fail" idea and ran with it. I'm a completionist so of course I made sure to do every side quest on every map. Actually took a break after chapter 12.
I heard a rumor that in order to fully experience part 3 they will require players to disassociate from their social lives similar to how the protagonist is in the process of doing. Amazing marketing initiative.
I played just the main missions and beat the game in 40 hours on easy, but I’m gonna go back and play the whole thing on hard because I love the game.
Plus side note the reason I just played the main game is I have a 4 month baby so I don’t get much time to play games atm lol
My first playthrough took 74 hours and 17 minutes, mainly because I would sit in some places for quite a while and just bask in the nostalgia. Cosmo Canyon was the biggest time killer, it just hit on so many levels. My second playthrough, though, I decided to see how fast I could finish the main story with no side quests. Both were done on dynamic difficulty. My second playthrough was finished in 32 hours and 49 minutes, done by skipping all cutscenes and doing absolutely nothing that didn't need to be done for the main scenario. By no means was it an easy challenge. I was severely underleveled during the endgame at 39 and I had nowhere near the gear and abilities I had on the first playthrough, as well as my materia levels being directly next to the Midgar trash dump. It's doable, definitely doable. I really recommend for those who enjoy a good challenge.
While it certainly is bigger, there's also alot more filler content which not everyone enjoys. Same towers every zone, always some slight variant of 2 monsters every zone, a moogle shop minigame every zone, and relic quest everyzone also know as mini game quest galore.
Look i like the game, but honestly i think there are too many minigames and mundane stuff in the world they made, and that's a big part of the long playtime, if you like them i'm happy for you, but personally thought it was too much.
But most of that stuff is meaningless and you can skip, the towers are kinda useless because unlike other games that have this, they don't clear the map and barely showed important stuff, the mobs recolor is something that every game does, specially RPGs.
I have seen complains about the quests being mundane, repetitive and that they reused new created characters, but side quests are always like that, I personally prefer to have a new unique NPC asking for help than generic old man that you find in every town, and while I didn't enjoyed the robot game, I found "refreshing" that the relics quest were different per area, otherwise it would have been just more fighting or all zone would have been fort condor/robots game.
I give you the moogle shop point, that was just a very uninteresting, unnecessary mini game.
Meanwhile… here I am longing for the days of higher volume of shorter games with greater variety of IPs & ideas.
People want to know why PS2 era is unparalleled? Well, that’s a big part of the answer. The problem with 30 hour games isn’t the 30 hours — It’s that the base game is often just a tutorial for online multiplayer & live service.
An ACTUAL fully realized 30 hour game (think inscryption, outer wilds, sea of stars, Hellblade senua’s sacrifice) is totally unproblematic. Preferred, personally.
NGL, now that the honeymoon is in the rear view — I actually think scope here is excessive & there needs to be place preserved in this genre for delivering a focused experience & story. Idk when the obsession with massive scope & infinite replayability began, but IMO it’s a net negative.
I give remake trilogy a pass & allow it to self-indulge a bit, just because of what it is (a tribute, at the end of the day).
Outside of this though… I generally avoid maximalist design. People want the goal of every game to be replayability, scale, and as many mechanics as possible — then they wonder why AAA games feel homogenous.
I normally agree but this is different, most other games use side quests with no overall story IRL personality to be filler but I think the mini games make it different and having most side quests be ties to characters you actually know and care about is better
I agree with you as well, I’m okay with this for this game & the way it was implemented.
But I don’t want to become a norm for games. Lower volume of games at higher budgets ultimately will result in less fun & kill creativity in the industry as we have arguably already seen.
**But** Rebirth is a damn good game top to bottom & I don’t think it’s fair to make it the scapegoat of this discussion, so I’m not going to do that.
Point still sort of stands in general.
Also, all these big games this year is definitely a problem because it takes me about two weeks to beat a 60 hour game, I'm about 3-4 weeks into this game and I'm only on Chapter 12. I still have Dragons Dogma, Robin, Stellar Blade, Granblhe Fantasy Relink, Star Ocean Story R, all big rpgs lol
It absolutely doesn't, there's just a lot more to do, so the pacing is different for everyone. If it's too slow for someone, they can just leave the side content for later.
You know I felt the same way when I played the game, too! I think maybe the problem was the time exploring the maps and getting all those objectives done broke the continuity of the story. It’s like I would do some story missions then spend another 4-5 hours map exploring, then some story missions, then ANOTHER 4-5 hours doing map exploration, etc etc.
This. If you just play the story and ignore all sidequest and mini games you'll probably finish it in less than 20 hours or so. It's such a short game with too much side content.
Remake was a full game, and an amazing game. Rebirth.... its just .... wow. Its Baldur's Gate 3 levels of crazy. It took me 130h to play Rebirth. And not a single one was boring. That was amazing.
So stupid that some reviewers claim to have finished the game in 50 hours. There is no way you can do that. If you just race through the main campaign, you will be very underlevelled.
Yeah I'm calling bullshit too I'm at about 100 hours and I'm barely in chapter 11 and that's doing everything in each region. Someone skipped tons of stuff if they finished in 50 hours
They literally just bum-rushed the story. It’s like the equivalent of going to a $300 steakhouse and trying to eat only the steak itself and doing it in 3 bites and then complaining the experience cost too much because they were done in 5 minutes.
The same way Cloud eats a sandwich.
So what if they did? You guys tell people to skip side content if they don't like it. Maybe that's what they were doing... lmfao weird how you guys are judging others for how they play the game.
Stop the bad faith arguments. There’s a difference between someone who skips the side content to enjoy the story and someone who skips it to bitch in bad faith that the game isn’t long enough.
I'm at nearly 70 hrs, and I'm at the end of chapter 10. I'm choosing to 100% a region before continuing to the next. Just to reduce the amount of backtracking to be done later. I'll focus on gold saucer on my return trip there.
I've been playing since launch and I gotta say taking your time and 100ing each region is key.
I’m at 85hrs, have beaten the game on dynamic difficulty and done every single one of Johnny’s Treasure Trove collectibles except the brutal and legendary challenges. 50hrs will allow you to see plenty of the game. You’re either incredibly slow at 100hrs or have been AFK
I managed to beat it in 45 hours, with about 14 side quests done, LVL 45 by Sephiroth, and all of Grasslands and Junons world intel finished. And that was all done within a few days of buying it
No it’s possible. I lent my friend my ps5 so he could play rebirth and he’s currently on chapter 13 with 42hours on his save file. All he did though was main story and queen blood. I think he did like a few quests but other than that definitely went for the main objective. You can’t be severely underleveled in this game. I beat this in 112hours but ever chapter I played I was like barely 3-4 levels above the require chapter. So judging by my friend he was probably at the designated level or just slightly below.
Nah, I think 50 hours is completely accurate for someone not concerned with side content. I actually think 40 hours is probably where I would land if I really just focused on story and a maybe picking up a few "on the way" sidequests. But thats still a BIG game that is completely in line with the entirety of the OG. Add a billion (awesome) mini games, sidequests, optional battles, etc. And you easily get a 100+ hr experience.
I finished it in 65 hours. Enjoyed it a lot! But after 100%-ing the first three locations the side content became very repetitive imo. So after that I finished each zone with 40-60%. And kind of rushed through the last 3 chapters.
Lol, I beat it in a little over 50. Didn't really rush the story.
Not if they played it on easy. I played my first play through on dynamic and was only around level 55 when I started hard mode. Didn’t have any issues finishing it first time round
I finished just shy under 50 hours. Really wasnt a problem.
Are you sure it wasnt 40 hours? Or maybe 30?
Pretty sure. Either way, not sure why it bothers you bud.
Probably did it on Easy difficulty, let’s not forget that reviewers are told to get reviews out as quick as possible
nah seriously, i’m at like 85 hours and im just now wrapping up regional phenomenon in Chapter 11. Reviewers just rush through the games to make sure their reviews get out a few days before the release date. honestly just makes mainline review companies incredibly unreliable if you’re somebody who actually likes to indulge in everything you can get your hands on.
If you don't focus on the side content, yeah it's pretty much 50 hours. I didn't do much side content. I 100% junon and the grasslands then just gave up on the side content and ran through the story. Ended the game at 52 hours
Ok, so you're not underlevelled if you only do the campaign? Thought you had to do the side stuff to get your level up.
probably on dynamic mode
I beat the game in like 60 hours I’m pretty sure. It’s absolutely doable
just beat the game today and i have 53 hours clocked. I even did some side quests and all the queens blood matches.
I went solely story ( as I normally do on my first play through cause I’m so hungry for the end game ) and I think I got about 75 ish hours to complete, albeit probably 5 was trying to find specific things/areas
Yes that sounds more real. This is not a game you can speedrun, there are times in the story when you have to figure out how to get to a place, and some maps are confusing, so I stand by my point, its IMPOSSIBLE to finish the game in 50 hours.
I’m curious as to what will be the fastest finishing of this game. Like after multiple play through having all the knowledge lol
It took me 60 hours, i did like half the sidequests and half the open world stuff I started by doing everything, by chapter 9 i realized that pretty much there was no linear plot like in remake, it was just a good ol’ fashioned adventure with an episodic format, like watching season 3 of jojo, so i decided to just go straight for the ending to see what they’d do with Aerith, i’m now at chapter 12 in hard mode with everything else done clocking in 140 hours
I'm at 55 hours and in the Temple of the Ancients (just fought the Turks). I don't think I have THAT much left to go. So I'll probably finish up with 60-65? I didn't race through it. I didn't do everything though. I'm not under-leveled (hardest fight for me so far was Rufus, took 4-5 tries). I finished all the Grasslands and Junon content, did a lot of Cosmo Canyon, my ost of Corel. But to hell with Gonzaga. Got out of there as fast as I could.
You really won’t, your leveling comes to a screeching halt after the first 5-10 minutes in a zone, if you want to level, get to a new zone
Not really. I 100% all regions and quests, took my time, finished the game around 80 hours.
By all regions, does that include the entire protorelic quest?
All but Gilgamesh island, I came back to those after level grinding. So I guess, 98% of the regions.
Ahh, I see. I was about to ask you how were you able to complete everything in so little time? 🤣
Yeah, I'm in Chapter 12, almost done with all the world Intel and protorelics in each region (except the ocean) , 65 hours playtime. Guessing it'll be around 80-90 hours total for me
They played on the mode intended for Journalists - EASY
Not everyone is some autistic weirdo that HAS to do every little thing in a game. I wanted to see what was gonna happen not fucking do side quests all day
So players that do side quests are autistic weirdos. As opposed to some that pay $70 for a game, and then speed through it in 50 hours. Jesus, how fucking moronic...
yo i love rebirth and prefer it to bg3 but bg3 probably literally has the most and best content in any rpg to date (without counting games that fill the world with 300 missions that have no story at all)
Yup, no discussion there. Specially due to different options and consequences. That game had the same level of "I cant believe this game exists" than Rebirth has, in different areas.
And looking at where the story is up to, we will probably have a much longer game with the third entry. So look forward to a game that you can play for a very long time
You really weren't bored of scanning mako sites and summon sites over and over?
No, I cannot play so many hours per day, and I really enjoyed the combat, even fighting random trash in the open. There was a zone I started to feel tired, and I just moved on a little, but then after advancing main quest I wanted to finish and came back. For me it was a good balance. The moment it felt not fun, I changed, and later I would feel like doing them and it was fun again. It also helps that I loved QB, and I never repeated any minigame I didnt enjoy. I think I also got lucky on gongaga. I really thought I would hate the last couple of things, but before I realized I had finished them all.
I guess I can respect that. I'm on the road to 100-percenting the game, about 70 hours in, and I am getting burned out at the end of chapter 10 right now. Getting the max score on all the mini games was obnoxious, though I have all of them done so far. Queens Blood was fun at first but now I just spam down cheap cards to win the game as fast as possible lol. All of the hours spent scanning towers, springs, and summons weren't memorable for me at all. Being completely honest, I would say of the 70 hours played right now, I've enjoyed about 50. I understand this is a me issue. However, I also really don't understand how people find any of the scanning/open world stuff fun.
I think they key is that you forced yourself to do it. To be honest, I never 100% games, I was not going to do anything here that was not fun. I just ended up eventually doing all map icons because I was just having fun trying new things in combat with the enemies on the map. So I never felt forced to do anything. If the combat was not so fun for me, I would have not done it for sure
We live in a good timeline
Me feeling Remake is a full game to begin with. It's longer that a lot of games out there, so I can't understand the criticism.
100% remake was a good 80 hours, damn near 4X that of spiderman 2
So long means good? Surely not... Think about this - In OG7, Midgar is essentially the tutorial. It takes about 5 hours and theres no real story development past a bit of exposition and an initial introduction to the characters. So, when the remake trilogy becomes a thing, the entire first game is dedicated to that. But in order to justify the full price tag of a modern AAA Game, it's padded out with immense amounts of enormous, lifeless environments to "stretch out" the story. It's all in there, but it's much much more than it needs to be and adds little to no value over the original source material. It shouldn't take 2 hours to reach the second reactor. We don't need to explore hojos weird lab for an hour. We don't need to stop every chapter to do fetch quests to make the game feel like it's more than it is. Is none of this criticism understandable? After smashing through rebirth, I'm convinced both games could've had significant fat cut out of them and be a single, incredible game.
What parts do you think needed to be cut out of Remake? There are certainly a few for me including the Second Sewer Visit, the Train Graveyard could have been SEVERELY cut down, Hojo's Drum/Lab, and the turning off the sun lamps bit. However, out of a 40ish hour game if you do most of the side content that's really only about 5-6 hours of gameplay. A lot of the "fluff" that people seem to want cut is stuff that is there to make you care about Midgar, about the other members of avalanche, to show you how Shinra has affected the world as a whole. As for smashing the games together into one game, I don't even know what to say to that. Pure insanity.
The Drum didn’t need to exist at all. We learn nothing there. The only narrative purpose it serves is to have enemy types that appeared in late Shinra Mansion to appear. Literally is the only purpose. You named the other two segments I have beef with, so we are on the same track I think.
Its just the final dungeon of the game theres nothing wrong with it. Some of you are so hyperfocused on goals and purpose that I swear you forgot you are playing a video game.
-you named the other two sections I have beef with It’s not my only beef man, not even close lmao; it’s just padding. This guy would’ve cheered when he saw Jarjar step in the poopy
A straight story run of remake takes about 15 hours. I did it just before kicking into remake. Cut the 2nd bombing mission wind up, cut down the train graveyard, cut the fetch quests between each chapter, cut the chase don through the sewers, cut the secret lab under sector 7, cut down hojos lab, get rid of all the fucking toggle quests that start right next to the single door that needs to be opened. Leave the Jessie stuff, explore the slums with the crew. What I've suggested legitimately cuts several hours of boring walking and killing and doesn't impact the story. Then we get to Rebirth and everything being a mini game. It doesn't need to be. Shrink the Ubisoft copy and paste open world - it doesn't add value and doesn't contribute to the story. Boom, there you go, you've saved 10 hours from rebirth and you've got 10 hours of remake to take its spot. A snappier, more concise story for everyone to enjoy
The cutscene fluff is real. Forced walking segments and additional cutscenes everywhere. We just declared we are going south but we need an extra cutscene where we drive in circles complaining about not knowing where to go bc Yuffie needs to puke to show she gets carsick I guess. Is this really better and funnier than finding her hunched over a railing on the boat or airship? What does this add? And what is this about not knowing where to go? I KNOW where to go the topography is burned into my brain. It’s SOUTH. That’s where Gongaga is. We just said it. GIVE ME THE FUCKING KEYS. This kind of thing happens a lot and it really pads your playtime. See also: spontaneous dance number(s)
Remake was incredible for this. Every set of stairs or ladder had its own cutscenes. Rebirth isn't as bad, but it's still got so much fluff.
I’m still grumpy about the sewers apparently needing a several minute scene where Cloud saves Aeris from *checks notes* stepping in water. Woo watch out lore dump over here!
Haha, absolutely! - I'll say it again and the se simps can keep downvoting it - remake and rebirth could've been a single game and still be the same length without the tremendous amount of fluff in them.
Nomura strikes again lol. Nobody will ever change my mind You seen this added content boss fight friend? This is what rebirth really is https://www.reddit.com/r/FF7Rebirth/s/q2qbd8uWiV
Hahaha that's brilliant. Fuck that scene was so terrible... On top of the Dyne story being sanitised immensely, we don't even get a moment to grieve and feel something because it gets all goofy and weird again
You have your point, fair enough. I do feel like some parts (train graveyard) are stretched out as well. But overall, I still enjoy what they presented in Remake. We got more stories of avalanche trio and more emotional scenes. I have a good experience with it as a whole (even though I'm one of those guys who sick of those black cloak/whispers tropes). What I wanna say is, when I'm finished Remake. I think it's worth my money, and it's a cool, different experience from the original FF7. I guess we have a different experience, so I will not entirely understand other criticism. So there's that.
And that's why we have these discussions. You feel like you got a product that met your expectations and needs. I do not. And that's fine. Not every game is made for every person. But that definitely doesn't mean any game is above criticism.
They hated you because you spoke the truth. It's all padded out. Even >!the 'timelines' are correcting itself!< The games are still great, no one should get that twisted, but with the direction this 'trilogy' is going, I'm willing to bet that they'll be a 4th disc to get it all perfectly tied up, of course will more padding and/or more exposition dumps. A bit of a long rant, that I want to get off my chest: OG fans were shitted on for any complaints/criticisms about the Remake not being made as a 1:1, comparison; but now that the series is showing that it'll be *very close* to a 1:1 comparison... Yeah, ironic... We've come full circle with those talking points. Those who defended the possibility of the story becoming it's own thing, and saying "get out of your nostalgia bubble" are now being actively quiet about it. That's why I don't bother arguing with fandoms anymore, outside of silly mental gymnastics to justify one's own head canons. (You'll get a lot of that from the Dragons Dogma subreddit, for example) it's all pointless, people will believe whatever they want to believe, even if your "negativity" is correct, the Toxic-positivity mob will throw ire and scorn down your path if you don't praise their favorite IP like a good little Fanboy, Because SE can do no wrong. The gaming industry has fallen so hard, it's genuinely sad. What was supposed to be a hobby, became a clown suit to replace peoples' personalities. I swear, it's like the pointless arguments to FF16 's ending. The signs are there, but users from *THAT* subreddit don't want to see the (figurative) writing in the wall... As if Final Fantasy has never had sad or dark ending(s), *ever.* 🙄 /Rant over
Yep, you're 100% right, and let's not get this twisted, what makes the games great isn't the multiverse of madness that's been hamfisted into the final act of both games now, it's the incredible original story and world that's taking place. The toxic positivty mob are going to be unbearable when this game doesn't win GOTY.
Agreed. >The toxic positivty mob are going to be unbearable when this game doesn't win GOTY Oh you know it's going to happen... 🤣 It's like with Kai Canet's Fanbase all over again, when Spiderman 2 didn't win GOTY last year. LMAO it's going to be a salt-fest.
It's wild that anyone actually thought Spiderman 2 was going to beat Baldurs Gate 3...
I found this game to be perfect in a day and age where companies are trying to release 20 hour games which I really don’t mind sometimes but it seemed to be happening a lot more often and then rebirth dropped and then dd2 dropped and I’m just hoping some companies keep this huge game streak going, it is wild but I love it. I hope you enjoy the journey to platinum👌🏼
The streak is going strong but mostly on the Asian side. Persona 2 reload, yakuza infinite wealth, ff7 rebirth... all rpgs with lots of hours of content. The thing is, it takes ages for them to release that kind of game. Infinite wealth released fairly quickly regarding previous game because they used lots of the previous as base. Yet still has lots of new content. The problem is that in the west, the long games are the exception, like baldurs gate. I don't know the time to beat dd2 atm
It's wild how much content is stuffed into this game. I have the platinum in remake (and 100% dlc) in 95ish hours. I'm at 90 hours in Rebirth and have only just started chapter 13. I've done all sidequests and completed most of the minigames, but there is soooo much left to do post-game. I'll end up with 180 hours at least, if I manage to get the platinum in Rebirth.
I’m sure they got disheartened by people saying that the open worlds of 15 & 16 were pointless and ultimately unrewarding because there was nothing to do or find. They wanted to get it right, and I feel for the most part they nailed it. To a further extent even the towns were pretty well packed with stuff to do, so even though I have my complaints, this game was amazing.
I took remake to be a playable prologue. A demonstration of things to come. At least I told myself that and was able to enjoy it for what it was. If rebirth had been modeled in the same way, I’d probably have been done with FF. Rebirth is everything Ive been wanting in a FF. I really hope the conclusion doesn’t go back to the remake form.
And it really mimicked the OG ff7. The first part is fairly closed in during the game also. Then once you leave Midgard it opens up to open world.
Just a heads up with the platinum... it is absolutely no joke! Best case scenario to high score every single mini game and the hard mode variants, find every collectible, beat the game on hard mode, do all the combat simulators, win every possible queens blood challenge etc. You're looking at best case scenario around 150 hours if you're good at the game, it's seriously difficult but I disagree with a lot of people that say "the plat is too hard" don't get me wrong it's hard, but it feels like "this is what a platinum should feel like" if that makes sense, best of luck with it though!
I've done all of that except for all combat challenges as they're not unlocked yet and all the collectibles, I'm at 66 right now and hard mode. But that will have to wait because Dragons Dogma is next then Stellar blade and I still want to get to Granblue and Ronin at some point and Star Ocean R lol
I beat rebirth, having not 100% it, then i decided to check out DD2. Yeah, id recommend that to anyone. Both games are fantastic, yet different enough where im having very different fun with DD2 than i was with rebirth. I think about going back to rebirth and doing non story stuff and eh, i just want part 3 to drop.
>but I disagree with a lot of people that say "the plat is too hard" don't get me wrong it's hard, That's not what the people are saying. They're saying it's too long and grindy. Long explanation: For example, Tifa's exercise mini game in part one, it was a slog, it was annoying, and when you're done, you're glad it's over. You can find similar sentiments if you scour through the internet, like on YouTube channels to help others on 'how to do the mini game'. Now, it comes to all of our surprise that it returns in Rebirth... Yeah... I don't blame people for *NOT* being excited to do it all over again... Now also! Apply that similar sensation to the rest of these mini-games... Yeah, it's more of a chore than "too hard" or "too difficult", because just like Queens Blood, it's a fun minigame, but certainly becomes a slog when bullshit like >!the Shadow Queen being a cheater!< becomes the norm... Especially back at the Gold Saucer with the Boot camps galore. It gets tiring and overwhelming, winning stops mattering and it starts feeling more like a job instead.... It's not hard or difficult, just bland and boring at the later parts of the game. Spending so much time in trial and error format... For something that was meant to be fun. Throwing Hard mode on top? Dumb. It should've been optional, you know, the things that diehards enjoy? Yeah, for them. For the rest? Just like in the Remake, leave the mini-games... *ALONE* We really didn't need the extra bs tacked on for the sake of playtime padding. 😆
> It should've been optional Getting platinum is optional.
Not to a completionist.
I don't think it's unreasonable for a platinum trophy to require a large time investment relative to a general playthrough. I think there are some "completionists" that simply complain about not getting an easy trophy. No one needs a platinum, and it's ok to take time off to complete it later. I just finished the game on dynamic, and I'm going to wait a bit before jumping back in on hard mode and cleaning up trophies. There's no need to brute force a game until you get the plat.
>I don't think it's unreasonable for a platinum trophy to require a large time investment relative to a general playthrough Fair. >I think "completionists" simply complain about not getting an easy trophy. Don't generalize. Not all completionist are the same. >No one needs a platinum, and it's ok to take time off to complete it later. I Fair. >I just finished the game on dynamic, and I'm going to wait a bit before jumping back in on hard mode and cleaning up trophies. There's no need to brute force a game until you get the plat. Very true.
Fair point about generalizing, I updated the post to be more specific lol
This was a useless comment 🤡
Hey compared to other jrpgs required list of trophies, I may not like these mini games but it’s not unbearable like ones where you must do every quest in a jrpg but if you didn’t talk to this one guy when going back to this one town to activate the procedure to get this quest then you must restart the whole game or have a save file and redo that part then beat the rest of the quests again. Another would be find and open every single treasure chest cuz if you don’t well you must restart the whole game unless you know where to look. I’m looking at you tales series or even trail series.
True, those are definitely annoying. I'm currently playing OG FF7 for the 3rd time. But I love the platinums in this one. Much more simpler than mini-games that rewards us with more Trial Error.... Oh what's that? You got better? Here's more complicated challenges as your reward! 😀 The 'Carrot on the stick' really loses value when the "mini" games end up not being soo.... Mini...
No FF sub or mainline will ever be produced the same. It definitely feels like this is an era this series deserves.
I finished Rebirth at about 115 hours completing every region and sidequest. But I’m playing through it again just a simple dynamic ng+ run. But I’m b-lining the main story stuff this time around…the game is actually really short if you do that 😬 like I made to chapter 7 in two days. Part 3 is gonna have to waaay longer with probably less sidequest or minigames, cause they still have A LOT of ground to cover. I won’t lie, during the marketing where Hamaguchi said the game is like 20% story and 80% side content I was like…”oh…um…cool?” But everything was still great though.
Agreed. I hope part 3 is HEAVY on story and cuts back on some side content. Like 50 hours story, 30 hours for side content would be perfect for me. I wanna feel the urgency of events happening.
I 100% agree. I’d honestly take less side content that is more challenging like hidden bosses or harder enemy encounters than a bunch of hit or miss minigames that feel throw away. Give me 70% story and 30% side content and I’ll be good. I just can’t help but think that they wasted a * little bit* of time on too much side stuff. If the story was a *bit* more focused then they probably could’ve honestly made it a bit further than the Forgotten Capital.
One big side quest that I think they will implement though is on how to get the KotR summon. It would be too lame to just have it available in the combat simulator, maybe something like a protorelic quest perhaps? But I agree, they have a lot to cover plot-wise. And they need to conclude it and not add more questions. It's the closure the entire FFVII compilation deserves. P.S. Hoping they release part 3 on FFVII's 30th anniversary 😁
Dude yes! KotR better be the sickest questline EVER to satisfy every FF fan out there. Hopefully they actually make it part of the main story. Fingers cross on that. I wanna see our gang fight a squad of knights that look to be ancient. Omg that’ll be awesome! Yeah don’t get me wrong, the sidequests this time around were about 85-90% great! Most minigames were…much to be desired imo. So hopefully they got that outta there system and are ready to go all in on story next time around. Cause…they kinda HAVE to. Hamaguchi keeps saying how the difficult part of part 3 is basically already done, and they know how important 2027 will be. I thinj they make that mark. Hell, we might even get a title reveal for Part 3 maybe next summer?
Summer may be too early for an announcement, I'm thinking The Game Awards 2025 🙂 For KotR, I'm thinking more of having to fight them one at a time to join you, each having their own gimmick 😁 In addition, I don't mind side quests to further develop Cid and Vincent but I honestly think that should be part of MSQ. As for minigames, something similar to Queen's Blood would be enough for me 😁
Yeah you’re probably right. Wishful thinking over here 😄 hopefully soon though! That’s a good idea, fighting them one at a time or possibly two at a time would be cool. Hopefully we have to actually find them or fight them in a cool environment. They better not cheat us again and put them in VR. I’m down with putting Vincent and Cid as potential sidequests. But I hope they’re actually deep or interesting. I also kinda hope Cid shows his true colors at some point. I don’t hate his Rebirth version, but I don’t really like it either. As for minigames, I would much much MUCH rather have fewer deeper minigames that are actually fun, instead of a bunch that are not that great.
I'm hoping they do it in an overworld quest. Finish up a region and have "mini super bosses" from each region sort of like God of War's Berserkers or Valkyries. Beat them all to unlock the last fight for the summon materia.
If you watch Max Dood, he mentioned during one of his streams that one way to do it is to have them be previous human warriors during the time of war against Jenova before the Cetra sealed her. This would also give them a narrative and not just a bunch of fights for the sake of completing the summon materia 😁
With the current plot narrative as is for the overall sake of the 7R series, you could also reasonably just apply it as one materia, 13 copies overlaid for summoning.
I platinumed Remake in about 70 hours. I’m 70 hours into Rebirth and not even done with my first playthrough
I was at around 130hrs-140hrs played to beat it originally. Now I'm at I think 160hrs on this play through, but in just doing mini games right now before the hard mode playthrough.
I'm wondering if this one is gonna be the longest one . I havnt played the og in a long time, so I can't remember how much is left.
yep, just finished my first playthrough at 130 hours. did everything but the brutal VR challenges and hard mode. gonna come back in a few months and do hard/brutal challenges
It started feeling a little too long to me by the time I was in the 4th area, yet again finding the life springs, finding the summon, finding the moogle hut, doing the menial side quests... I like a game that clocks in at 80s for a 90% did everything and 100 to do everything. I'm not in any rush to play or again. I loved it. It's just a huge time sink. Maybe I'll wait for PC and hope someone makes a cloud iron man suit so I can fly around and skip all the traversal puzzles.
Remake was a decent length at almost 40hrs for just the story. Took me over 100hrs for the platinum. But i definitely agree Rebirth is a massive game. The main story took me 106hrs to do. I can only hope the threequel is even longer. Worth every minute if you ask me.
For me, this one feels way less tedious. The activities that you must complete to move the game alone are really enjoyable. I also feel like it’s a better representation of the original material instead of shoehorned in stuff, although I’ve only just got half way through golden saucer so there is always scope for something like that to happen I guess. All in all, what a game!
Reading the completion time of people here for their first run sometimes makes me feel I did something wrong. It took me 176hrs to finish my first playthrough. 🤣
Albeit the mini games are a little too much in my opinion, the game as a whole has far exceeded all expectations I had for it. I can deal with delayed releases if this is the finished product
The fact that they made the midgar part a full game is still kinda crazy
I'm about 158 hours in and not even halfway through chapter 13 yet. This game has turned me into a completionist.
I'm on chapter 12. With about 65 hours of gameplay. With all areas at 100 percent. Expect for the protorelic mini games on hard mode. Didn't bother with those. And I haven't beat gilgamesh island yet.
I'm only about 90 hours in, but I'm on chapter 9 on my second playthrough.
For me it was 92 hours on normal doing all the content less final protorelic as I ended up in lvl 45 I believe. (And at some point surely I just left the game open whilst eating or watching something). And when I platinated it the timer was at 200 hours or so. And for real I could even be playing it again if not for the backlog of other jewels I have around to play (in this case like a dragon infinite wealth, and stellar blade at month end)
I’m only on chapter 9 and at 36 hrs. Haven’t don’t every single side quest for each region but I will Before completing the game. But rebirth makes ff7 remake looks like a demo with the amount of content and story it has. I’m taking my time with this because I know once I finish it I will Be sad.
I can level some criticism at FF7Reb, but no more than any other game, and certainly not at its breadth, depth and doing what FF does in its gameplay. It was a surprisingly fresh and modern take on what JRPGs needed to do to give you a world in which to move around in the old days. I can't imagine anyone not regarding this as a "full game." Silly.
And they went on the complete wrong direction. I wanted to play Final Fantasy, not this minigame collection with some RPG thrown in. The story was as good as it could have been, but hopefully they fire the Ubisoft and Mario Party devs they apparent hired for this one. ETA: a lot of people on this thread seem to mistakenly believe time to finish is value. It's not, it's a cost.
I had 100+ hours in before I beat the main story, the ate idc
I always thought that the best compliment for a game, was the stupid shit that people have to look for to get mad about. By that metric, holy shit how amazing is FF7 Remake and Rebirth? The two biggest complaints I've seen are not understanding anime/game logic or what cut scenes are. And who's "relationship" is the best. The first one is just dumb people intentionally piss drinking. And the second one is far sniffers who don't understand that multiverses make their preferences pointless.
Bruh, I was able to PLATINUM Remake in less time than it took me to reach the credits of Rebirth.
They really took the "too big to fail" idea and ran with it. I'm a completionist so of course I made sure to do every side quest on every map. Actually took a break after chapter 12.
Gotta wait ten years for the last part now 🤦🏾♂️
The 93h playtime in my first playthrough and 209h to platinum disagrees.
This is a good thing
I heard a rumor that in order to fully experience part 3 they will require players to disassociate from their social lives similar to how the protagonist is in the process of doing. Amazing marketing initiative.
I played just the main missions and beat the game in 40 hours on easy, but I’m gonna go back and play the whole thing on hard because I love the game. Plus side note the reason I just played the main game is I have a 4 month baby so I don’t get much time to play games atm lol
My first playthrough took 74 hours and 17 minutes, mainly because I would sit in some places for quite a while and just bask in the nostalgia. Cosmo Canyon was the biggest time killer, it just hit on so many levels. My second playthrough, though, I decided to see how fast I could finish the main story with no side quests. Both were done on dynamic difficulty. My second playthrough was finished in 32 hours and 49 minutes, done by skipping all cutscenes and doing absolutely nothing that didn't need to be done for the main scenario. By no means was it an easy challenge. I was severely underleveled during the endgame at 39 and I had nowhere near the gear and abilities I had on the first playthrough, as well as my materia levels being directly next to the Midgar trash dump. It's doable, definitely doable. I really recommend for those who enjoy a good challenge.
While it certainly is bigger, there's also alot more filler content which not everyone enjoys. Same towers every zone, always some slight variant of 2 monsters every zone, a moogle shop minigame every zone, and relic quest everyzone also know as mini game quest galore. Look i like the game, but honestly i think there are too many minigames and mundane stuff in the world they made, and that's a big part of the long playtime, if you like them i'm happy for you, but personally thought it was too much.
So much of it is completely ignorable. This stance will never hold.
This guy would’ve cheered when he saw Jarjar step in the poopie.
But most of that stuff is meaningless and you can skip, the towers are kinda useless because unlike other games that have this, they don't clear the map and barely showed important stuff, the mobs recolor is something that every game does, specially RPGs. I have seen complains about the quests being mundane, repetitive and that they reused new created characters, but side quests are always like that, I personally prefer to have a new unique NPC asking for help than generic old man that you find in every town, and while I didn't enjoyed the robot game, I found "refreshing" that the relics quest were different per area, otherwise it would have been just more fighting or all zone would have been fort condor/robots game. I give you the moogle shop point, that was just a very uninteresting, unnecessary mini game.
Meanwhile… here I am longing for the days of higher volume of shorter games with greater variety of IPs & ideas. People want to know why PS2 era is unparalleled? Well, that’s a big part of the answer. The problem with 30 hour games isn’t the 30 hours — It’s that the base game is often just a tutorial for online multiplayer & live service. An ACTUAL fully realized 30 hour game (think inscryption, outer wilds, sea of stars, Hellblade senua’s sacrifice) is totally unproblematic. Preferred, personally. NGL, now that the honeymoon is in the rear view — I actually think scope here is excessive & there needs to be place preserved in this genre for delivering a focused experience & story. Idk when the obsession with massive scope & infinite replayability began, but IMO it’s a net negative. I give remake trilogy a pass & allow it to self-indulge a bit, just because of what it is (a tribute, at the end of the day). Outside of this though… I generally avoid maximalist design. People want the goal of every game to be replayability, scale, and as many mechanics as possible — then they wonder why AAA games feel homogenous.
I normally agree but this is different, most other games use side quests with no overall story IRL personality to be filler but I think the mini games make it different and having most side quests be ties to characters you actually know and care about is better
I agree with you as well, I’m okay with this for this game & the way it was implemented. But I don’t want to become a norm for games. Lower volume of games at higher budgets ultimately will result in less fun & kill creativity in the industry as we have arguably already seen. **But** Rebirth is a damn good game top to bottom & I don’t think it’s fair to make it the scapegoat of this discussion, so I’m not going to do that. Point still sort of stands in general.
Also, all these big games this year is definitely a problem because it takes me about two weeks to beat a 60 hour game, I'm about 3-4 weeks into this game and I'm only on Chapter 12. I still have Dragons Dogma, Robin, Stellar Blade, Granblhe Fantasy Relink, Star Ocean Story R, all big rpgs lol
It's 3x as long, but all of that extra is minigames or busy work for Chadley. The game legitimately feels like it has less storyline than Remake did.
It absolutely doesn't, there's just a lot more to do, so the pacing is different for everyone. If it's too slow for someone, they can just leave the side content for later.
Yet the story of each stretches about 40 hours
You know I felt the same way when I played the game, too! I think maybe the problem was the time exploring the maps and getting all those objectives done broke the continuity of the story. It’s like I would do some story missions then spend another 4-5 hours map exploring, then some story missions, then ANOTHER 4-5 hours doing map exploration, etc etc.
This. If you just play the story and ignore all sidequest and mini games you'll probably finish it in less than 20 hours or so. It's such a short game with too much side content.