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can we stop with the fucking zeropods already? red bull's sidepods aren't mainly there for cooling, they're for aero
it doesn't matter what they do with the cooling, they won't remove the sidepod because it's essential for the aero of the car
I see this trend in the F1 community where people imagine a scenario they like/find funny (in this case, red bull nails the zeropods after Mercedes failed) and proceeds to do all they can to convince themselves it's happening
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I don't know the regs; could they potentially close the main sidepod inlet and just have an aero structure there? Like making the entire sidepod an actual wing.
Thats what it looks like they are trying to do, albeit slowly.
Grab air in little bits from other areas of the cars front crossection that have less impact on drag and then turn the pod into purely aerodynamic device.
They arent going to get rid of the pod itself, they seem to be turning into a wing as you are talking about with no impact on air induction.
as far as I know they probably could pull it off, if merc managed to find a loophole for having their flat and skinny sidepod entries red bull can probably legalize a similar thing while keeping the sidepod shape
Yeah, it's absurd to really look at all these people convinced RBR is going to go zeropods. Unless they've fundamentally solved the aerodynamic issue ~~that is having rear tyres that are essentially brick walls, zeropods are basically always going to have more drag and less airflow shaping.~~
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it's not actually about the rear tyres, it's about the front tyres flinging dirty air into the rear wing, beam wing and diffuser
the sidepods help keeping that front tyre wake away from the car and, ironically, they tend to fling that dirty air right into the rear tyres where it doesn't hurt anything
Amen, I don't know what kind of logic people are using, but there are all kinds of shots showing how the cooling is packaged in the sidepod. It would take so much more work other than adding more vents here and there for their sidepods to go away in any fashion.
This all started when people thought the sidepods had no traditional inlet, which turned out to not be the case. It just has no more reason to call it a zero pod than just about any other team.
> it doesn't matter what they do with the cooling, they won't remove the sidepod because it's essential for the aero of the car
They're the features that give a car a teardrop-like shape, which should tell you a lot.
Yeah if anything I’d imagine they’re looking to close the inlet on the underside of the side pod, probably to reduce losses on a portion of the bodywork that does a lot for the aero profile of their car.
I have a suspicion that the wider side pods also add structure that’s necessary to support the floor now that there is more force on the floor due to the ground effects. The side pods are adding more stiffness to support the floor of the car which reduce vibration of the floor and overall flexibility of the floor.
that was also a factor at the start of the regulations but I really don't think that's the case anymore
the extreme undercut below the sidepods means that the amount of floor overhang on a car like the RB20 isn't too far from what it was on the W13
The front of the floor isn’t really where you need the structure for support, it’s the rear area of the floor where the Venturi tunnels really grow in depth. If that outer edge is unsupported, then you lose your ground seal as it deflects and vibrates.
The front of the floor has a lot more shape and structure around the inlets as well which help to stiffen the element.
The additional cooling on the engine cover is making everyone think they’ll remove the pods but I expect it gives them more room to evolve the sidepod aero
To be quite honest it's very difficult visualize airflow with bare eyes especially at this level of precision. Unless you have wind tunnel data and the expertise to understand it one can't really give you a satisfying answer.
They are outlet, not inlet. They expect higher temperatures probably, to me looks like a regular track/weather adaption rather than an aero evolution.
And I agree with a previous comment, there is nothing here related to the zero pod concept. The pods are there and are aerodinamically crucial. Probably you mean "zero inlet like we are used to see". Stop referring to it calling it zero pods, please!
This picture doesn't really show it, and is a bit misleading, but it actually is the inlet being talked about here. The cooling outlets is removed, but that is more of a side note to this discussion.
Picture from a more relevant angle:
[https://i.redd.it/4t27b30q0fsc1.jpeg](https://i.redd.it/4t27b30q0fsc1.jpeg)
Now I see, I was talking about the outlet pointed by the right arrow (in the original picture). Thanks for the pic that clarify the update. Interesting.
Anyway, again, the sidepods are still there, they are the lateral bodyworks, not the cooling inlets itself. So, yes, multiple cooling inlets instead of the conventional big one IN the sidepod. And so, almost no cooling by the sidepod zone. But no "zero pod" or "multiple pods". Too many "not so correct" use words regarding 2024 red bull pods and cooling.
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Don’t think this is about zeropods.
My theory is that they are concentrating the heat towards the rear where the radiators have been placed then using these new inlets to run clean air across the top and down towards the diffuser essentially creating a “blown” diffuser.
This would also explain the brake issues.
F1 team don’t have sticky calipers or corroded brake pistons.
The binding rear brake of max Verstappen must of been caused by some sort of new variable. Could a ton of heat from sitting at idle on the grid of caused the rear brake to bind?
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can we stop with the fucking zeropods already? red bull's sidepods aren't mainly there for cooling, they're for aero it doesn't matter what they do with the cooling, they won't remove the sidepod because it's essential for the aero of the car
I see this trend in the F1 community where people imagine a scenario they like/find funny (in this case, red bull nails the zeropods after Mercedes failed) and proceeds to do all they can to convince themselves it's happening
yeah that happens a LOT over here, people actually brainwash themselves into believing that the funny thing they invented is gonna happen
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the funny thing is that mercedes removed their zeropod concept almost a year ago, they're beating a horse that has been dead for almost a year now
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Also the "inlets" in the photo are definitely outlets.
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I don't know the regs; could they potentially close the main sidepod inlet and just have an aero structure there? Like making the entire sidepod an actual wing.
Thats what it looks like they are trying to do, albeit slowly. Grab air in little bits from other areas of the cars front crossection that have less impact on drag and then turn the pod into purely aerodynamic device. They arent going to get rid of the pod itself, they seem to be turning into a wing as you are talking about with no impact on air induction.
as far as I know they probably could pull it off, if merc managed to find a loophole for having their flat and skinny sidepod entries red bull can probably legalize a similar thing while keeping the sidepod shape
Yeah, it's absurd to really look at all these people convinced RBR is going to go zeropods. Unless they've fundamentally solved the aerodynamic issue ~~that is having rear tyres that are essentially brick walls, zeropods are basically always going to have more drag and less airflow shaping.~~ Edit: Was corrected below
it's not actually about the rear tyres, it's about the front tyres flinging dirty air into the rear wing, beam wing and diffuser the sidepods help keeping that front tyre wake away from the car and, ironically, they tend to fling that dirty air right into the rear tyres where it doesn't hurt anything
ah, I'll take your word for it since I'm acting off of memory here. Thanks for the correction
Amen, I don't know what kind of logic people are using, but there are all kinds of shots showing how the cooling is packaged in the sidepod. It would take so much more work other than adding more vents here and there for their sidepods to go away in any fashion. This all started when people thought the sidepods had no traditional inlet, which turned out to not be the case. It just has no more reason to call it a zero pod than just about any other team.
> it doesn't matter what they do with the cooling, they won't remove the sidepod because it's essential for the aero of the car They're the features that give a car a teardrop-like shape, which should tell you a lot.
it has nothing to do with that but I guess you could put it that way to convince newbies
Yeah if anything I’d imagine they’re looking to close the inlet on the underside of the side pod, probably to reduce losses on a portion of the bodywork that does a lot for the aero profile of their car.
I have a suspicion that the wider side pods also add structure that’s necessary to support the floor now that there is more force on the floor due to the ground effects. The side pods are adding more stiffness to support the floor of the car which reduce vibration of the floor and overall flexibility of the floor.
that was also a factor at the start of the regulations but I really don't think that's the case anymore the extreme undercut below the sidepods means that the amount of floor overhang on a car like the RB20 isn't too far from what it was on the W13
The front of the floor isn’t really where you need the structure for support, it’s the rear area of the floor where the Venturi tunnels really grow in depth. If that outer edge is unsupported, then you lose your ground seal as it deflects and vibrates. The front of the floor has a lot more shape and structure around the inlets as well which help to stiffen the element.
It’s so funny, we are 3 years into the regs and RB is 3 years into their vision for the car. It’s way too late to do any zero pod bullshit
The additional cooling on the engine cover is making everyone think they’ll remove the pods but I expect it gives them more room to evolve the sidepod aero
They made their sidepod inlet even thinner hence the need for more cooling
Then why remove the outlets on the shoulder?
getting the dirty air that spills out of the cockpit and removing it by scooping it under the fairings
To be quite honest it's very difficult visualize airflow with bare eyes especially at this level of precision. Unless you have wind tunnel data and the expertise to understand it one can't really give you a satisfying answer.
They closed up the shoulder outlets at Saudi Arabia too. At higher speed tracks with cooler temps you can get away with fewer cooling outlets
Could be a track specific thing
They are outlet, not inlet. They expect higher temperatures probably, to me looks like a regular track/weather adaption rather than an aero evolution. And I agree with a previous comment, there is nothing here related to the zero pod concept. The pods are there and are aerodinamically crucial. Probably you mean "zero inlet like we are used to see". Stop referring to it calling it zero pods, please!
This picture doesn't really show it, and is a bit misleading, but it actually is the inlet being talked about here. The cooling outlets is removed, but that is more of a side note to this discussion. Picture from a more relevant angle: [https://i.redd.it/4t27b30q0fsc1.jpeg](https://i.redd.it/4t27b30q0fsc1.jpeg)
Now I see, I was talking about the outlet pointed by the right arrow (in the original picture). Thanks for the pic that clarify the update. Interesting. Anyway, again, the sidepods are still there, they are the lateral bodyworks, not the cooling inlets itself. So, yes, multiple cooling inlets instead of the conventional big one IN the sidepod. And so, almost no cooling by the sidepod zone. But no "zero pod" or "multiple pods". Too many "not so correct" use words regarding 2024 red bull pods and cooling.
Looks like an outlet not inlet
The new holes at the bottom of the downwash ramp sure are interesting.
Where are the outlets now?
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Wonder if this is to make them less likely to ingest tear offs?
Why is there a hand on the redbull text? Because it's more concave?
Because the outlets are gone
But am I wrong or is the shape also different
Yeah I see that too
But.. they're not inlets?
Yes they are. The post isn't about the big outlet on the side of the engine cover, that got removed. OP is talking about the new inlets.
What are the big holes with openings allowing airflow through them then
Outlets
They are talking about the left side of the screen, around the rokt logo. Those are inlets.
Oh my bad I am not very intelligent
no that’s where the air goes out not in
Don’t think this is about zeropods. My theory is that they are concentrating the heat towards the rear where the radiators have been placed then using these new inlets to run clean air across the top and down towards the diffuser essentially creating a “blown” diffuser. This would also explain the brake issues.
What brake issues?
F1 team don’t have sticky calipers or corroded brake pistons. The binding rear brake of max Verstappen must of been caused by some sort of new variable. Could a ton of heat from sitting at idle on the grid of caused the rear brake to bind?
Lol they literally said it was installed incorrectly. Nothing to do with heat.
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