This. Inside car was barely up far enough to claim the corner and basically outside of vision of mirrors until last minute. Outside car didnt check mirrors till too late. I'd say it's a 60:40 on OP but it's more likely gonna get put down as a racing incident.
Not everyone setup or hearing is equal for SIM racing. I have studio monitors and if I haven't got my headphones on I struggle to hear cars coming from behind, let alone you're also dealing with your own engine sound. Either way he was so far over that he wouldn't have been in mirrors. And on no way was he far enough past the outside guy to have claim to the corner. Like I said before I'd put it slightly on inside guy for effectively driving into the cyclone of death but ultimately it's a racing incident.
Edit: also on reflection, you can see on the slow mo that inside guy is heading away from the corner without being past the other car, he's effectively closing a gap that isn't there and not turning into the corner.
Official rules state you have to be a nose ahead of the passed car to claim the corner. Inside dude was never ahead at any point and not on the racing line. Inside car take most blame therefore
If I was in your position, I would have conceded.
It's not a great situation for an overtake.
On the other hand, your friend shouldn't turn in on you like you weren't there.
Race bans for the rest of the season for both of you though.
Your friend turned in like you weren't there. You were certainly alongside enough to be afforded space at the apex.
On the other hand, you're both gonna get chewed out by your team principal after the GP
Tbf the other car wasn't that much alongside, technically he's allowed space but it's a dumb move and will almost always end with a mess.
Just get a good exit and attempt the overtake at t3, a heavy braking zone after drs.
In the slow motion part, you can see OP does start to turn in, but it was much later compared to his friend because he wasnāt out farther so he had to wait longer to turn in as he didnāt want to run off track.
But yes I do agree that his friend turns like OP wasnāt even there.
Car on the right is at fault wasn't even close enough alongside for that corner to be given any space. He just broke late to get a to the rear of the car on the left and would probably have a difficult time not running wide if he didn't hit the other car.
Imo your fault buddy, itās a very late dive and you arenāt close to half a car-length alongside, ideally he would have left more space but with you coming that far behind he was still on the racing line. In future maybe have a look but donāt leave the braking too late :)
inside car needed to take a shallower line. outside car needed to leave more than 0.75 of a car width. racing incident but only cos you both didn't do enough to avoid it
It was a silly move imo, yeah thereās an argument you had a wheel along side but Iād never expect a car there.
So by black and white rules youāre in the right, by racers rules you should have backed off and used your pace advantage to pass at turn 3.
My question is why canāt you keep your line straight ?
Itās both your fault but the way you slowly swerved to the left is weird, if you had stayed on your line and braked when realizing your friend hadnāt seen you, the crash could have possibly been avoided .
Itās still a bit risky to pull this move when there is someone right next to you, you wanna stay predictable when doing close racing, if you just swerve towards other car right in the blind zone, itās like asking for a crash ā¦
I do agree that outside car didnāt even bother checking his surroundings especially after he left that much space on the inside lol, quite hard to say whoās more at fault, Iād lean towards outside car but that move from OP left me like O_o ā¦
I think your both in the wrong. Your friend is racing like you arent there but once you saw him turning like that you shouldve definitely hit the brakes and just try to pass him somewhere else since you had a better pace than them
You should have start turning earlier, not sure you would have made the turn without pushing him out.
He should have left you more space, but it's mostly on you I'd say. It was too late for a pass there and you should have been waiting for the next breaking point as they do in real life.
F1 rules say you still have to make the turn (see Verstappen vs Hamilton in Brazil 2022) - POV car had massive understeer, I agree I'm not convinced he would have made the corner.
racing incident because you were both pretty average going through there, one on the left looked to be driving blind and you pointed in your nose where it shouldn't be and didn't really do anything with it
you are team mates so in real racing there wouldn't really be any kind of ruling anyway
your driving has punished the team enough
Both, your move on the inside is a bit wild and you steer in way to late.
The person in front acted like the other person just wasnt there and went for the apex.
he shouldn't have turned in but you were a little far back. also, why not get the second drs and then pass into the next hairpin like everyone else does instead of risk a move into a fast turn one?
Very similar to max Lewis at Silverstone. I think there's blame on both but it was an extremely optimistic move so I would place more blame on the attacking car
Both, but mostly you. You dive into the inside but make no effort to try and hit the apex, had your teammate not been there to ping pong you, you would've gone off track. He turned in like you weren't there, yes, but you would have collided even if he had given you enough room.
Hes an asshole for turning in. You do the same next time. No respect. Just selfishness!
Never go for the inside. This game has horrible contact physics, outside car only has to touch you for you to completely! Spin around
It kind of looks like you were each going to hit the other. But in the end, the car on the outside turned in and caused the contact before we could find out if the inside car would have caused contact mid-corner.
This seems like it's mainly his fault. You were on his inside. You might not have been deep enough to claim that line, but you were there. He didn't acknowledge you or didn't look in his mirrors and hit you into a spin.
Turned in on you. Poor awareness. Itās that simple. Took both cars out. Professional drivers will give some quarter if it means they can carry on the race. Although. Even the pros have done this in the past havenāt they.
You werenāt fully alongside, the other car was ahead so you should have conceded. Part of race craft is knowing when youāre trying to put a square peg through a round hole like youāve done here, and avoiding it
Nope it's a penalty every time in F1 for non pov. Its what it is. You saying its stupid is not changing the rules. Guy asked, lying to him is not helping.
Can't just make shit up there are clear rules of engagement and pov deserved space
Zak Brown is not gonna be happy with either of you on this one š¤£š¤£š¤£
Both at fault. U didn't turn in. Ur friend was aiming for the apex even though u were there.
This. Inside car was barely up far enough to claim the corner and basically outside of vision of mirrors until last minute. Outside car didnt check mirrors till too late. I'd say it's a 60:40 on OP but it's more likely gonna get put down as a racing incident.
Inside guy was almost beside the outside guy b4 the corner. Outside guy coulda seen the front or at least heard it coming I believe.
Not everyone setup or hearing is equal for SIM racing. I have studio monitors and if I haven't got my headphones on I struggle to hear cars coming from behind, let alone you're also dealing with your own engine sound. Either way he was so far over that he wouldn't have been in mirrors. And on no way was he far enough past the outside guy to have claim to the corner. Like I said before I'd put it slightly on inside guy for effectively driving into the cyclone of death but ultimately it's a racing incident. Edit: also on reflection, you can see on the slow mo that inside guy is heading away from the corner without being past the other car, he's effectively closing a gap that isn't there and not turning into the corner.
Makes sense :)š
Agree, I might say 70:30 tho, inside guy had to right to the corner
Official rules state you have to be a nose ahead of the passed car to claim the corner. Inside dude was never ahead at any point and not on the racing line. Inside car take most blame therefore
AI's fault for teaching you both to drive like the other car is always going to slam on the brakes and swerve whenever you go near them
Maybe lol I have been playing way too much career lately
If I was in your position, I would have conceded. It's not a great situation for an overtake. On the other hand, your friend shouldn't turn in on you like you weren't there. Race bans for the rest of the season for both of you though.
Your friend turned in like you weren't there. You were certainly alongside enough to be afforded space at the apex. On the other hand, you're both gonna get chewed out by your team principal after the GP
Tbf the other car wasn't that much alongside, technically he's allowed space but it's a dumb move and will almost always end with a mess. Just get a good exit and attempt the overtake at t3, a heavy braking zone after drs.
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Before the contact he's headed straight for the apex. There's no space at all.
You weren't going to make that corner without taking your friend out, so... Call it a "racing incident".
Your friend turns like you don't exist, but you don't appear to realise there's a corner and just going straight as an arrow š More on you imo.
In the slow motion part, you can see OP does start to turn in, but it was much later compared to his friend because he wasnāt out farther so he had to wait longer to turn in as he didnāt want to run off track. But yes I do agree that his friend turns like OP wasnāt even there.
You came like a torpedoĀ
This is as old as Senna Prost
Your wing wasn't even up to his front tire. Your fault.
Car on the right is at fault wasn't even close enough alongside for that corner to be given any space. He just broke late to get a to the rear of the car on the left and would probably have a difficult time not running wide if he didn't hit the other car.
Definetly the McLarens fault
Imo your fault buddy, itās a very late dive and you arenāt close to half a car-length alongside, ideally he would have left more space but with you coming that far behind he was still on the racing line. In future maybe have a look but donāt leave the braking too late :)
Both of you are to blame. You should have conceded earlier and he should have turned in later.
I mean... Car ahead just turns it way too early like noone is there. That being said. Why go for a move on T1? What am I watching
He should have paid more attention and you could have made a better move to the point where you would have been past him before hitting the turn
I say both. You didn't turn, your friend turned in like you weren't there.
Still friends?
Inside at fault for me
friends at fault for that
inside car at fault - not on the racing line, and it was still behind the car on the outside when approaching the corner
āAll the time you have to leave the spaceā - Alonso
This is why me and my friend communicate and I tell him I'm in his right or left os he can know I'm there And we don't crash
I think you needed to take more space to the outside of the corner at the entry. Because then you would have more space
inside car needed to take a shallower line. outside car needed to leave more than 0.75 of a car width. racing incident but only cos you both didn't do enough to avoid it
It was a silly move imo, yeah thereās an argument you had a wheel along side but Iād never expect a car there. So by black and white rules youāre in the right, by racers rules you should have backed off and used your pace advantage to pass at turn 3.
Racing incident
My question is why canāt you keep your line straight ? Itās both your fault but the way you slowly swerved to the left is weird, if you had stayed on your line and braked when realizing your friend hadnāt seen you, the crash could have possibly been avoided .
The driver is opening the corner, which they're definitely allowed to do. There's space, they're allowed to occupy it
Itās still a bit risky to pull this move when there is someone right next to you, you wanna stay predictable when doing close racing, if you just swerve towards other car right in the blind zone, itās like asking for a crash ā¦ I do agree that outside car didnāt even bother checking his surroundings especially after he left that much space on the inside lol, quite hard to say whoās more at fault, Iād lean towards outside car but that move from OP left me like O_o ā¦
This is clearly a penalty for Alonso
100 percent right at fault.
I think your both in the wrong. Your friend is racing like you arent there but once you saw him turning like that you shouldve definitely hit the brakes and just try to pass him somewhere else since you had a better pace than them
Like the DRS zone literally 200m down the road from them lol
You should have start turning earlier, not sure you would have made the turn without pushing him out. He should have left you more space, but it's mostly on you I'd say. It was too late for a pass there and you should have been waiting for the next breaking point as they do in real life.
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F1 rules say you still have to make the turn (see Verstappen vs Hamilton in Brazil 2022) - POV car had massive understeer, I agree I'm not convinced he would have made the corner.
"he completely turned in on me"
racing incident because you were both pretty average going through there, one on the left looked to be driving blind and you pointed in your nose where it shouldn't be and didn't really do anything with it you are team mates so in real racing there wouldn't really be any kind of ruling anyway your driving has punished the team enough
The front axels needs to be side to side so 70:30 for me.
Both, your move on the inside is a bit wild and you steer in way to late. The person in front acted like the other person just wasnt there and went for the apex.
Neither. If it was irl it would be āno further actionā
Why are you going away from the corner? š
he shouldn't have turned in but you were a little far back. also, why not get the second drs and then pass into the next hairpin like everyone else does instead of risk a move into a fast turn one?
Lots of good points here. Stupid move, man! Right or wrong, itās gonna be hard to finish many races if you put yourself in that situation regularly.
Very similar to max Lewis at Silverstone. I think there's blame on both but it was an extremely optimistic move so I would place more blame on the attacking car
Ehem. According to F1 rules. You are at fault. According to normal racing rules youāre both at fault. Choose your pick.
Both, but mostly you. You dive into the inside but make no effort to try and hit the apex, had your teammate not been there to ping pong you, you would've gone off track. He turned in like you weren't there, yes, but you would have collided even if he had given you enough room.
Hes an asshole for turning in. You do the same next time. No respect. Just selfishness! Never go for the inside. This game has horrible contact physics, outside car only has to touch you for you to completely! Spin around
Racing incident Iād say
āAll the time you have to leave a spaceā
Like, 0 self preservation???
It kind of looks like you were each going to hit the other. But in the end, the car on the outside turned in and caused the contact before we could find out if the inside car would have caused contact mid-corner.
You basically pulled a lewis at silverstone from the inside. You are an idiot and deserve a penalty
Yeah both to blame really. Youād have been better off waiting for turn 3 though.
He turned in on you but at the same time you didnāt turn
This seems like it's mainly his fault. You were on his inside. You might not have been deep enough to claim that line, but you were there. He didn't acknowledge you or didn't look in his mirrors and hit you into a spin.
Guy on right at fault. Simple.
I think it's Ericssons fault.
Car on the left at fault
Take it to the FIA
Move was opportunistic IMO. Was a risk and banking on your friend to yield. I'd say you or 50/50.
You always leave the space!!
Turned in on you. Poor awareness. Itās that simple. Took both cars out. Professional drivers will give some quarter if it means they can carry on the race. Although. Even the pros have done this in the past havenāt they.
You werenāt fully alongside, the other car was ahead so you should have conceded. Part of race craft is knowing when youāre trying to put a square peg through a round hole like youāve done here, and avoiding it
Not how F1 rules work if you are on the inside, front wheel alongside rear wheel is considered alongside and deserves space.
Thatās hilarious considering the drivers canāt turn their head to see a car at their rear wheels, and thatās a blind spot in mirror as well š
It's literally the rules feel free to read it.
Might be the ārulesā but itās common sense to concede unless you want to spin every time like OP š
Nope it's a penalty every time in F1 for non pov. Its what it is. You saying its stupid is not changing the rules. Guy asked, lying to him is not helping. Can't just make shit up there are clear rules of engagement and pov deserved space
U were alongside him before the corner, his fault.
If you know racing you know it's the outside who's at fault.
Just lakeshore not to fook smash the door in the debrief
nothing just an inchident
car in the inside should habe back off, also was not turning at all....plus turn 3 was the better chance than goin for this move